2010 NFL Off-Season Thread

[KnoxHarrington]

And the "Will Favre retire" bullshit has already begun.

Fuck, guys, it looks like we're going to have a great Super Bowl. Can we forget about Favre until then?

[epo]

And the "Will Favre retire" bullshit has already begun.

Fuck, guys, it looks like we're going to have a great Super Bowl. Can we forget about Favre until then?

All I want for these two weeks is talk about the Saints vs. the Colts.

[KnoxHarrington]

By the way, your opening line on the Super Bowl:

Colts -5
O/U 56

I'm taking the Saints and the over.

[KnoxHarrington]

Favre ducking interviews like a little bitch

[foodcourtdruide]

By the way, your opening line on the Super Bowl:

Colts -5
O/U 56

I'm taking the Saints and the over.

Wow, -5 is higher than I thought. After watching that game, I can't blame them though.

[JimBeam]

They said Harrah's had Colts -3.5.

By the way the post game crew asked Favre to come on the show and he declined.

What a pussy.

[KnoxHarrington]

They said Harrah's had Colts -3.5.

By the way the post game crew asked Favre to come on the show and he declined.

What a pussy.

If it's -3.5, I'll take the Colts. I think they'll win by 4 or so.

[razorboy]

Fuck, guys, it looks like we're going to have a great Super Bowl.

This is where I disagree.

[epo]

Favre ducking interviews like a little bitch

Of course he did.

[foodcourtdruide]

This is where I disagree.

Manning completely destroyed a very good defense. The only possible weakness I see in the Colts is their defensive back depth. The Saints looked sloppy as hell beating a team that made many mistakes.

[razorboy]

Manning completely destroyed a very good defense. The only possible weakness I see in the Colts is their defensive back depth. The Saints looked sloppy as hell beating a team that made many mistakes.

Exactly. I see Peyton tearing the Saints' defense apart.

[Suspect Chin]

The Colts game earlier was easily the most electric game of any sport I've ever been to.

I don't know if it was audible on TV but after the opening coin toss, the referee accidentally called them the New York Giants over the PA system.

At one point a drunk Colts fan pulled a green wig off the head of a lone Jets fan. A massive fight broke out.

So much fun.

[KnoxHarrington]

Favre is on the NFL Network bitching about his ankle now.

Go screw, Brett.

[JimBeam]

I think both secondaries can cover poorly @ times but are also very opportunistic.

Both teams have fairly lesser known non#1 WRs ( if you say Wayne and Colston are the primaries ) that have made big plays.

I guess the Colts front 4 is better but the Saints LBs may be slightly better.

Obviously both QBs are great and Peyton has the pedigree but I think they Saints can make 1 or 2 plays against him and hopefully that'll be enough.

[jauble]

Hopefully its not pouring rain again this time.

[JimBeam]

Fuckin' Chris Berman and Tom Jackson are singing the praises of Favre even after the asshole essentially ruined his team's chances of winning the game and going to the Super Bowl.

By the way how does a fat, redundant sports talking head get called " Boomer " when there's a QB that went to the Super Bowl who's actually known as " Boomer " ?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Jets lose

Favre loses


NICE!!!!!!!!!


Bet Childress wanted a run up the middle, but Favre was like, let me win this ... 1 INT later and its off to retire until training camp

[jauble]

Fuckin' Chris Berman and Tom Jackson are singing the praises of Favre even after the asshole essentially ruined his team's chances of winning the game and going to the Super Bowl.

By the way how does a fat, redundant sports talking head get called " Boomer " when there's a QB that went to the Super Bowl who's actually known as " Boomer " ?

Because thats what it sounds like when he is in the stall.

[hammersavage]

I've seen the spread between 3.5 and 5. I guess it will settle tomorrow from more books.

I like the under.

[sailor]

i wish minny made it, just because of how much it would piss so many people off.

and as a raider fan i would welcome favre there in a second.

[razorboy]

i wish minny made it, just because of how much it would piss so many people off.

and as a raider fan i would welcome favre there in a second.

You have Gradkowski. Embrace your AlDavishness.

[JimBeam]

Tom Jackson was just going on about how he was so moved by seeing Favre going on even after he was taking hits.

Yeah not like it's not his job and he's not being very well paid for it.

He then said he admired Favre's " I'm gonna go out and maybe throw a few picks but that's how you win a game " and that he loved that " he left it all on the field ".

You know what else he left on the field you douche bag ?

The other 52 or so players chances of going to the Super Bowl.

They're talking about the guy like he just WON the game.

[Judge Smails]

Tom Jackson was just going on about how he was so moved by seeing Favre going on even after he was taking hits.

Yeah not like it's not his job and he's not being very well paid for it.

He then said he admired Favre's " I'm gonna go out and maybe throw a few picks but that's how you win a game " and that he loved that " he left it all on the field ".

You know what else he left on the field you douche bag ?

The other 52 or so players chances of going to the Super Bowl.

They're talking about the guy like he just WON the game.

Facepalm.

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[TripleSkeet]

I dont know why but I cant believe Favre gave that game away like that. What a fucking dope. Had an open run at least to the 35 for what wouldve most likely been a game winning field goal.

I dont even like the Vikings I just think they had a better shot at beating Indy.

I cannot express how much I fucking hate the the Colts. If their plane would crash on the way to Miami I would laugh. Please God if you owe New Orleans anything after turning their city into a fucking lake, give them this. I cannot bear to see this fucking piece of shit team win another Super Bowl.

[foodcourtdruide]

I dont know why but I cant believe Favre gave that game away like that. What a fucking dope. Had an open run at least to the 35 for what wouldve most likely been a game winning field goal.

I dont even like the Vikings I just think they had a better shot at beating Indy.

I cannot express how much I fucking hate the the Colts. If their plane would crash on the way to Miami I would laugh. Please God if you owe New Orleans anything after turning their city into a fucking lake, give them this. I cannot bear to see this fucking piece of shit team win another Super Bowl.

If you hate a team enough that you'd find amusement in all of them tragically being killed in a plane crash then you need a psychiatrist.

[Suspect Chin]

I dont know why but I cant believe Favre gave that game away like that. What a fucking dope. Had an open run at least to the 35 for what wouldve most likely been a game winning field goal.

I dont even like the Vikings I just think they had a better shot at beating Indy.

I cannot express how much I fucking hate the the Colts. If their plane would crash on the way to Miami I would laugh. Please God if you owe New Orleans anything after turning their city into a fucking lake, give them this. I cannot bear to see this fucking piece of shit team win another Super Bowl.

Why do you hate them? They had one of the best records in the league this year and probably would have gone undefeated if they would've really tried. You can't say they don't deserve to be there.

[jauble]

Why do you hate them? They had one of the best records in the league this year and probably would have gone undefeated if they would've really tried. You can't say they don't deserve to be there.

From what I have gone through being a Colts fan people hate them for a few reasons. They are NE fans (we had a pretty good rivalry this decade). They hate Peyton because he looks like a mongoloid, the way he calls plays, the way that the media fellates him, and because of that face he makes when something bad happens truly is funny. The media also plays up the team as ultra humble/hardworking (which they are, but pointing it out time and time again is annoying) and they don't like the God/religious theme that started with Dungy and if you watched the presentation of the trophy was carried on by Polian and Caldwell. They are a great team and they had a great year. While no one should be able to bitch about resting starters now, I would have liked to see them have gone for the perfect season. That probably would make them more hated though if it happened.

[boobieman]

really wanted farve...ah well...Now it all comes down to one thing..Will I win money...Lots and lots of money.

SSEYYAAAA

[A.J.]

Archie Manning must be torn right now. Who does he root for?

[sailor]

From what I have gone through being a Colts fan people hate them for a few reasons. They are NE fans (we had a pretty good rivalry this decade). They hate Peyton because he looks like a mongoloid, the way he calls plays, the way that the media fellates him, and because of that face he makes when something bad happens truly is funny. The media also plays up the team as ultra humble/hardworking (which they are, but pointing it out time and time again is annoying) and they don't like the God/religious theme that started with Dungy and if you watched the presentation of the trophy was carried on by Polian and Caldwell. They are a great team and they had a great year. While no one should be able to bitch about resting starters now, I would have liked to see them have gone for the perfect season. That probably would make them more hated though if it happened.

i've rooted for indy just because of my hatred of the pats/brady/belichick so i can understand that.

[Ritalin]

I don't think Favre gave the game away with that last pick. It was a horrible turnover, for sure, but I didn't get the way the Vikings played that whole last series out. It flet like they were playing for overtime. When the Saints called that timeout, I wondered why the VIKINGS didn't call it. The whole team seemed unsure of itself, and not focused on winning the game. Strange playcalling, strange clock management, a bad bad 12 men penalty and the next thing you know Bad Brett is out there flinging the ball across his body into traffic. I don't like Favre at all, but I think the whole team coughed that one up.

[NateCantDance]

I'm reading EPO. Let's hear it.

[KnoxHarrington]

I don't think Favre gave the game away with that last pick. It was a horrible turnover, for sure, but I didn't get the way the Vikings played that whole last series out. It flet like they were playing for overtime. When the Saints called that timeout, I wondered why the VIKINGS didn't call it. The whole team seemed unsure of itself, and not focused on winning the game. Strange playcalling, strange clock management, a bad bad 12 men penalty and the next thing you know Bad Brett is out there flinging the ball across his body into traffic. I don't like Favre at all, but I think the whole team coughed that one up.

I'd put the overall blame more on Adrian Peterson than Favre, actually. He just vanished in the late part of the regular season, and didn't do much in the playoffs.

But that pass was just stupid. It was Favre deciding to be a "gunslinger" at the worst possible moment. Brett bein' Brett.

[Aaron Rodgers]

This is just FUCKING AWESOME!!!

[Aggie]

i was very entertained last night. finally.

[TripleSkeet]

From what I have gone through being a Colts fan people hate them for a few reasons. They are NE fans (we had a pretty good rivalry this decade). They hate Peyton because he looks like a mongoloid, the way he calls plays, the way that the media fellates him, and because of that face he makes when something bad happens truly is funny. The media also plays up the team as ultra humble/hardworking (which they are, but pointing it out time and time again is annoying) and they don't like the God/religious theme that started with Dungy and if you watched the presentation of the trophy was carried on by Polian and Caldwell. They are a great team and they had a great year. While no one should be able to bitch about resting starters now, I would have liked to see them have gone for the perfect season. That probably would make them more hated though if it happened.

Out of all those reasons there are 2 that make me hate the team.

1 is the way the media is constantly sucking off Peyton Manning. I know this isnt his fault. Its the whole "everything now is the best ever" bullshit we see in sports today. Ironically, this was also the reason I hated Favre for so long. Im sorry, but hes not the best QB ever. In my opinion hes not even in the Top 3. The guy has had a litany of weapons since hes come into the league and hes got one ring. Not only that, but his playoff record is 17-7. Not that impressive for the best quarterback of all time. Hes still behind Montana, Brady and Elway in my opinion unless he gets 2 more rings.

2 is they laid down to rest when they had a chance to make history. In my opinion its a violation and it goes against everything sport is supposed to be about.

Thats it. Im not a New England fan. I dont care about Mannings face. It doesnt bother me that he changes plays. I dont care how the media portrays the team (although I feel youre wrong, I dont see them portraying the team as humble and hardworking. As a matter of fact I dont see them portraying the Colts as anything. If I were to believe them I would think Peyton Manning plays 1 on 11 out there). And I dont care about any religious themes.

And if they had gone for the undefeated season not only would I hate them less, Id actually be rooting for them in the Super Bowl instead of the Saints.

[OGC]

From what I have gone through being a Colts fan people hate them for a few reasons. They are NE fans (we had a pretty good rivalry this decade). They hate Peyton because he looks like a mongoloid, the way he calls plays, the way that the media fellates him, and because of that face he makes when something bad happens truly is funny. The media also plays up the team as ultra humble/hardworking (which they are, but pointing it out time and time again is annoying) and they don't like the God/religious theme that started with Dungy and if you watched the presentation of the trophy was carried on by Polian and Caldwell. They are a great team and they had a great year. While no one should be able to bitch about resting starters now, I would have liked to see them have gone for the perfect season. That probably would make them more hated though if it happened.

I have been a New England fan all of my life but have respected Peyton's play since he came into the league. And since the Pats got eliminated I've been rooting for the Colts. It really is amazing how good Manning is.

That being said, I am hoping the Saints win the Super Bowl, but won't be too torn apart if the Colts do.

[JimBeam]

I think this guy disagreed w/ Favre's decision to throw that pass.

Be advised there's some NSFW language.

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[underdog]

I have been a New England fan all of my life but have respected Peyton's play since he came into the league. And since the Pats got eliminated I've been rooting for the Colts. It really is amazing how good Manning is.

That being said, I am hoping the Saints win the Super Bowl, but won't be too torn apart if the Colts do.

I'm a Patriots fan and I hate the Colts more than any AFC East team. I was actually rooting for the Jets yesterday.

[TripleSkeet]

I think this guy disagreed w/ Favre's decision to throw that pass.

Be advised there's some NSFW language.

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I still cannot believe he threw that pass. In a situation where you needed 5 yards and had an open field to run at least that, how do you try to squeeze such a bad pass in? If I didnt know any better Id have thought he blew it intentionally. 5 turnovers before that and they still shouldve won that game.

[JimBeam]

1 is the way the media is constantly sucking off Peyton Manning. I know this isnt his fault. Its the whole "everything now is the best ever" bullshit we see in sports today. Ironically, this was also the reason I hated Favre for so long. Im sorry, but hes not the best QB ever. In my opinion hes not even in the Top 3. The guy has had a litany of weapons since hes come into the league and hes got one ring. Not only that, but his playoff record is 17-7. Not that impressive for the best quarterback of all time. Hes still behind Montana, Brady and Elway in my opinion unless he gets 2 more rings.

That's just crazy.

Has he had weapons around him or has he made average to good players better than they are/were ?

You think Reggie Wayne would be a #1 WR on many, if any, other teams ?

Brandon Stokely was a 1,000 yard receiver w/ Manning and hasn't come near that since as far as I know.

You think Favre, Brady or any other QB could've won, and put up Manning's numbers, with the WRs he used this year ?

Your hate for the guy or his media attention is clearly blurring your vision.

Why does Manning have to win 2 more to get ahead of Elway ?

If Manning wins this year he'll have as many as Elway with far better QB numbers, 4 MVPs and maybe lossed in the playoffs but won't have failed in the Super Bowl 3 times.

If you argue that the Broncos SB losses can't be put on Elway then the counter point is that the Colts' losses in the playoffs can't all be put on Manning.

Brady's SB wins were as much Adam V's as they were his.

I can see people disliking Manning for his " aw shucks " demeanor and the media attention he gets but to deny his talent and his greatness is just absurd.

[foodcourtdruide]

Almost every team that had the playoffs locked up rested their players. The undefeated season may have meant a lot to sports radio hosts, but it didn't mean as much as winning the superbowl for the Colts. They thought resting their players to prevent injury would put them in the best position for the post season, and its hard to argue with the results.

[underdog]

You think Favre, Brady or any other QB could've won, and put up Manning's numbers, with the WRs he used this year ?

Go back and look at the WRs and RBs on the teams Brady won Super Bowls with. Brady NEVER had any weapons except Corey Dillon until 2007.

[JimBeam]

Almost every team that had the playoffs locked up rested their players. The undefeated season may have meant a lot to sports radio hosts, but it didn't mean as much as winning the superbowl for the Colts. They thought resting their players to prevent injury would put them in the best position for the post season, and its hard to argue with the results.

Yeah but if they don't win the Super Bowl then the season was pedestrian @ best.

What if they had lost to the Jets yesterday ?

Their lying down directly impacted the Jets even getting into the playoffs so think of the irony if that same team would've denied the Colts the Super Bowl.

There was 15% of me wanting that to happen.

[TripleSkeet]

That's just crazy.

Has he had weapons around him or has he made average to good players better than they are/were ?

You think Reggie Wayne would be a #1 WR on many, if any, other teams ?

Brandon Stokely was a 1,000 yard receiver w/ Manning and hasn't come near that since as far as I know.

You think Favre, Brady or any other QB could've won, and put up Manning's numbers, with the WRs he used this year ?

Your hate for the guy or his media attention is clearly blurring your vision.

Why does Manning have to win 2 more to get ahead of Elway ?

If Manning wins this year he'll have as many as Elway with far better QB numbers, 4 MVPs and maybe lossed in the playoffs but won't have failed in the Super Bowl 3 times.

If you argue that the Broncos SB losses can't be put on Elway then the counter point is that the Colts' losses in the playoffs can't all be put on Manning.

Brady's SB wins were as much Adam V's as they were his.

I can see people disliking Manning for his " aw shucks " demeanor and the media attention he gets but to deny his talent and his greatness is just absurd.

You are insane. Reggie Wayne would be a number 1 reciever on any team in this league. He also had Harrison, Dallas Clark, Marcus Pollard and Edgerrin James. Stokley isnt good enough to be a number 1, but he was definitely one of the best slot recievers in the league.

Tom Brady has won more Super Bowls with recievers that were 1/4 the caliber of what Manning has always had. Really? Youre going to try and say a guy that won Super Bowls with David Patten, Deion Branch, and Troy Brown couldnt win with these guys?

Stats arent everything. Your boy broke Dan Marinos touchdown record with 49 passes that year, but what nobody mentions is he set a record for most 1 yard touchdwon passes in a season as well.

I dont think saying the guy is the number 4 QB of all time is necessarily an insult. I just dont think he can be called better then Brady or Montana unless he matches their rings. Elway? Well I just always loved Elway. And at the end of his career if Manning has 2 rings I might concede the 3rd spot to him, but as of right this second I still put him behind Ol Horse Teeth.

[JimBeam]

Go back and look at the WRs and RBs on the teams Brady won Super Bowls with. Brady NEVER had any weapons except Corey Dillon until 2007.

But Manning doesn't just win w/ blue collar WRs he puts up 4,500 yard seasons.

[TripleSkeet]

Almost every team that had the playoffs locked up rested their players. The undefeated season may have meant a lot to sports radio hosts, but it didn't mean as much as winning the superbowl for the Coach of the Colts. They thought resting their players to prevent injury would put them in the best position for the post season, and its hard to argue with the results.

Fixed it. The players wanted to play. I wont fault them for that violation. It falls on the coach and the organization. Super Bowls are important, but making history is more important. We arent talking about indivual accomplishments here. Youre talking about something thats never been done before (19-0). You dont just shit on that to get your players some extra rest and avoid injury. Especially when they want to play.

[JimBeam]

So I heard an interview w/ Favre and regarding the fateful INT this is what he said, paraphrased :

Well I was kinda hurt so I didn't think how far I'd get if I ran the ball. I didn't think I could get the 1st down. I didn't think we were close enough for the FG.

So you didn't think you were close enough for a game winning FG so you decided to throw an ill advised pass ?

If you were injured and couldn't play to the best of your ability you should've come out of the game.

They are still defending him on all the shows I'm listening to today.

They're all like " oh yeah well that's the Favre you get " or " He makes big plays so you have to let him go " and " well he makes plays and he has to do what makes him comfortable "

Really ?

The whole game is only about him and what he wants to do ?

This argument that they wouldn't have gotten this far w/o him is silly because how far would he have gotten w/o that offensive line and that defensive line ?

They didn't lose that game solely because of him, surely the fumbles by others added to it, but he made the worst decision at the worst time and he needs to be held accountable for it in a historical sense.

The Red Sox didn't lose the '86 World Series solely on Buckner's error but it sure is what most people remember.

[JimBeam]

Fixed it. The players wanted to play. I wont fault them for that violation. It falls on the coach and the organization. Super Bowls are important, but making history is more important. We arent talking about indivual accomplishments here. Youre talking about something thats never been done before (19-0). You dont just shit on that to get your players some extra rest and avoid injury. Especially when they want to play.

I'll even give the coach a pass because I think the decision was 98% Poulian's.

Caldwell probably could've put up more of a fight if he wasn't a rookie coach but there wasn't much he could do against the GM.

Manning should've told Poulian to get bent and that they were gonna go for it.

[underdog]

But Manning doesn't just win w/ blue collar WRs he puts up 4,500 yard seasons.

How many rings has his 4,500 yard seasons got Manning?

And who holds the TD record?

Stats are great. Ask Dan Marino.

[TripleSkeet]

So I heard an interview w/ Favre and regarding the fateful INT this is what he said, paraphrased :



So you didn't think you were close enough for a game winning FG so you decided to throw an ill advised pass ?

If you were injured and couldn't play to the best of your ability you should've come out of the game.

They are still defending him on all the shows I'm listening to today.

They're all like " oh yeah well that's the Favre you get " or " He makes big plays so you have to let him go " and " well he makes plays and he has to do what makes him comfortable "

Really ?

The whole game is only about him and what he wants to do ?

This argument that they wouldn't have gotten this far w/o him is silly because how far would he have gotten w/o that offensive line and that defensive line ?

They didn't lose that game solely because of him, surely the fumbles by others added to it, but he made the worst decision at the worst time and he needs to be held accountable for it in a historical sense.

The Red Sox didn't lose the '86 World Series solely on Buckner's error but it sure is what most people remember.

On WIP today they are roasting Favre. Even Anthony Gargano, who is like a Favre desciple has said the loss is completely 100% on his shoulders.

[JimBeam]

But that argument fails in that Manning has 1 ring and will have better numbers than Marino so Marino is out of the equation.

Maybe it makes sense if Manning had never won any but that's moot.

And while stats don't mean everything they mean a lot and when coupled w/ 1 or possibly mutiple Super Bowl rings.

Obviously MVPs mean somthing because they're talked about all the time so winning 4 of them has to mean a lot.

How many rings does Walter Payton have ?

He's considered one of the greatest ever though.

They talk about Favre like he's the greatest and he's won only 1 Super Bowl.

So your belief is that Manning can only be better than Brady if he wins 2 more titles ?

But then wouldn't that make Manning light years ahead of Brady because he'd have the same number of rings but have far, far greater hardware to go w/ it ?

So essentially Manning is only as good as Doug Williams, Phils Simms, Jeff Hostler and Eli Manning since they've all only 1 Super Bowl?

[JimBeam]

The person who's been most critical of Favre so far, that I've heard, is Trent Dilfer.

He did have a few " you take the good with the bad " points but for the most part he was holding Favre responsible.

Actually Brian Bilick was just on The Herd and said that it's plays like what happened last night that'll make most people question Favre's status as one of the greatest.

[foodcourtdruide]

But that argument fails in that Manning has 1 ring and will have better numbers than Marino so Marino is out of the equation.

Maybe it makes sense if Manning had never won any but that's moot.

And while stats don't mean everything they mean a lot and when coupled w/ 1 or possibly mutiple Super Bowl rings.

Obviously MVPs mean somthing because they're talked about all the time so winning 4 of them has to mean a lot.

How many rings does Walter Payton have ?

He's considered one of the greatest ever though.

They talk about Favre like he's the greatest and he's won only 1 Super Bowl.

So your belief is that Manning can only be better than Brady if he wins 2 more titles ?

But then wouldn't that make Manning light years ahead of Brady because he'd have the same number of rings but have far, far greater hardware to go w/ it ?

So essentially Manning is only as good as Doug Williams, Phils Simms, Jeff Hostler and Eli Manning since they've all only 1 Super Bowl?

I think the argument is making less sense as it continues. How could anyone argue with 4 MVP's? How could anyone argue after Manning completely dissected arguably the best defene in football? The "one championship" argument in context of history considering Manning is entering another superbowl and still having several prime years left.

[TripleSkeet]

Super Bowl Rings are the main barometer. After that its how you won those rings. Did the team need you? Or were they so dominant they coulve done it without you? Thats where guys like Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer and even Terry Bradshaw who has 4 falls into place.

Bottom line is guys like Joe Montana and Tom Brady brought those teams to the Super Bowl, and led them to victory. The chances of those teams winning with other QB's are slim to none. Thats why they get the respect.

Stast are not as important in football, especially to QB's, then they are in most sports. Fantasy football should teach you that. Look how many QB's wind up with 400 yard games because their team stinks and they are down by 40 the whole game. So they just have to keep throwing. Obviously thats not Manning but that still downplays the importance of yardage.

Winning is the key stat in the NFL. And Tom Brady has won more titles with alot less talent then Peyton Manning. Period. Theres no denying that. Even trying to is just foolish. Thats why hes a better QB. And please dont even bring Montana into the argument. Hes still the king of the mountain by far.

[TripleSkeet]

And the MVP is a fucking popularity contest. Every year there can be arguments made of someone else that may have been more deserving. Not saying he hasnt earned them, but he could just as easily have 1 as he does 4.

[JimBeam]

I fail to see how Collie and Garcon are such premier WRs when you compare them to the guys Brady's had.

Had anybody heard of them before they played for Manning ?

And Edgarin James made Manning great ?

They replaced him with guys like Joesph Addai and Donald Brown and haven't missed a beat.

How good was Marcus Pollard after he left the Colts ?

He was replaced by Clark and now Clark is a 100 catch guy.

There's one common factor between all those guys and it's Manning.

[hammersavage]

Marvin Harrison killed a guy after he and Manning split

[JimBeam]

Marvin Harrison killed a guy after he and Manning split

Exactly.

Now was he a murderer or did Manning make him a murderer ?

What ever happened to that story ?

It never went anywhere after that Sports Illustrated or ESPN aticle.

[foodcourtdruide]

Superbowl rings are the main barometer of who the most successful QB is in history, not whot he best is. Is Derek Jeter the best baseball player in history? To the same degree, would you say Ben Rothlesberger is one of the all-time great QB's ever? The question of how many rings Walter Payton has was a great one. Your argument is opposing itself. You're saying Manning takes a backseat to a guy like Brady because of rings, but at the same time guys like Bradshaw got their rings because they were in the right place, at the right time. Those Patriots teams were better than the Colts at the time, without the QB's.

Does Brady have his rings without the Pats awesome defense? You talked about the supporting players Manning has had, but look at the supporting cast Montana had. He had arguably the best WR EVER along with a second great WR, a great TE and a great RB. Look at the defenses Brady had, look at the coaches of all 3 teams. Are you going to tell me that Dungy will go down as a better coach than Belichek or Walsh?

MVP is significant, because while it may be a popularity contest, a player still has to have a phenominal year and be considered an elite player to receive it. Do you know what it means to get 4? Don't you think other QB's in football are extremely popular too? Who would you have given it to this year if not Manning?

Also, you're arguing like Manning's career is over. Manning could win 3 more rings and 3 more MVP's or he could have a career ending injury on the first snap in the Superbowl.

[Ritalin]

Superbowl rings are the main barometer of who the most successful QB is in history, not whot he best is. Is Derek Jeter the best baseball player in history? To the same degree, would you say Ben Rothlesberger is one of the all-time great QB's ever? The question of how many rings Walter Payton has was a great one. Your argument is opposing itself. You're saying Manning takes a backseat to a guy like Brady because of rings, but at the same time guys like Bradshaw got their rings because they were in the right place, at the right time. Those Patriots teams were better than the Colts at the time, without the QB's.

Does Brady have his rings without the Pats awesome defense? You talked about the supporting players Manning has had, but look at the supporting cast Montana had. He had arguably the best WR EVER along with a second great WR, a great TE and a great RB. Look at the defenses Brady had, look at the coaches of all 3 teams. Are you going to tell me that Dungy will go down as a better coach than Belichek or Walsh?

MVP is significant, because while it may be a popularity contest, a player still has to have a phenominal year and be considered an elite player to receive it. Do you know what it means to get 4? Don't you think other QB's in football are extremely popular too? Who would you have given it to this year if not Manning?

Also, you're arguing like Manning's career is over. Manning could win 3 more rings and 3 more MVP's or he could have a career ending injury on the first snap in the Superbowl.

It's one of the biggest "eye of the beholder" sports conversations there is. The Jeter comparison isn't relevant, because there's no one baseball player who determines the outcome of a game more than an NFL QB.

But I do agree with what I call the "Terry Bradshaw" argument, namely that SB rings don't necessarily mean that one QB is better than another.

Right now you'd just have to rank Montana number one, but if you offered me an in his prime Montana or an in his prime Steve Young to start a team, I'd have to think about it, right? There's no question Montana was great, but there is a lot of right place right time with him.

A big thing Manning has against him in my eyes in this who's the best QB discussion is the fact that he plays in a dome. Brady has to deal with that NE weather every season while Manning plays his December home games in short sleeves on the fast track. That's a lot of slippery footballs and dropped 3rd down passes.

[Snoogans]

You guys are all stupid. The best QB in NFL history was Kenny O'Brien

[hammersavage]

Exactly.

Now was he a murderer or did Manning make him a murderer ?

What ever happened to that story ?

It never went anywhere after that Sports Illustrated or ESPN aticle.


He only just had the witness killed. Not much

But people cried that Chad Ochocinco could learn from Marvin Harrison.

[JimBeam]

If only the Colts had taken Ryan Leaf we'd be having the argument about him.

[Snoogans]

He only just had the witness killed. Not much

But people cried that Chad Ochocinco could learn from Marvin Harrison.

in fairness, all NFL wide receivers could learn from Marvin. Notice marvin didnt get caught, or convicted. Pay attention, fools.

Especially you, Kenny Britt. I know you gotta get arrested to officially be a star in teh NFL but on unpaid parking tickets and a tint ticket? Really? Step it up, son

[foodcourtdruide]

It's one of the biggest "eye of the beholder" sports conversations there is. The Jeter comparison isn't relevant, because there's no one baseball player who determines the outcome of a game more than an NFL QB.

But I do agree with what I call the "Terry Bradshaw" argument, namely that SB rings don't necessarily mean that one QB is better than another.

Right now you'd just have to rank Montana number one, but if you offered me an in his prime Montana or an in his prime Steve Young to start a team, I'd have to think about it, right? There's no question Montana was great, but there is a lot of right place right time with him.

A big thing Manning has against him in my eyes in this who's the best QB discussion is the fact that he plays in a dome. Brady has to deal with that NE weather every season while Manning plays his December home games in short sleeves on the fast track. That's a lot of slippery footballs and dropped 3rd down passes.

The dome point is valid. Honestly, I think there are 4-5 QB's that are simply a toss-up for best ever and at the end of his career Manning will be on that list.

[badmonkey]

Brady doesn't play nearly as well when he doesn't get Billicheat in his ear telling him what the other team's defense is going to do every play. You could take a Jason Campbell and switch him with Brady and Campbell would shine in Boston while Brady wouldn't go anywhere with the Redskins current offensive line. Brady's one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game. He was down 14 points with an entire quarter to play against the Saints, does he fight for it? No, he gives up and cries on the sidelines. He's not gonna play the pro bowl cuz of injuries? Sorry Tommy, a broken heart is not a fucking real injury.

Last season, the Vikings were barely a wildcard team in the playoffs. This season they're the #2 seed. You don't think that Brett had anything to do with that? If you played football for 35yrs of your life and then suddenly it was time to make the decision to never play again, it wouldn't be so easy to make it without waffling. Hell, some people here can't even quit posting here for more than a couple weeks after starting the "I'm leaving forever" threads. He wasn't ready to retire and his performance this season demonstrated it. He should play in the NFL for as long as he wants to play, the league doctors let him play, and he continues to out perform players 10 years younger than him.

[hammersavage]

in fairness, all NFL wide receivers could learn from Marvin. Notice marvin didnt get caught, or convicted. Pay attention, fools.

Especially you, Kenny Britt. I know you gotta get arrested to officially be a star in teh NFL but on unpaid parking tickets and a tint ticket? Really? Step it up, son


Damn good point

[JimBeam]

It really is subjective and I guess that's what makes the argument so popular.

There isn't just debate amongst fans even the sports talk guys and former players all have different ideas of who's the best and most say it's a list of 5 or so and the ranking is up in the air.

I mean Aikman has as many as Brady yet they aren't mentioned in the same breath.

I disagree w/ the notion that Aikman should be considered a lesser player just because he was fortunate enough to have great and very good players around him.

Sure it means more if a player can do it w/ lesser talent but I don't think you can easily dismiss a player because they were on good teams.

[Snoogans]

It really is subjective and I guess that's what makes the argument so popular.

There isn't just debate amongst fans even the sports talk guys and former players all have different ideas of who's the best and most say it's a list of 5 or so and the ranking is up in the air.

I mean Aikman has as many as Brady yet they aren't mentioned in the same breath.

I disagree w/ the notion that Aikman should be considered a lesser player just because he was fortunate enough to have great and very good players around him.

Sure it means more if a player can do it w/ lesser talent but I don't think you can easily dismiss a player because they were on good teams.

what about the notion that aikmen should be considered a lesser player because he cant remember playing?

[Freitag]

in fairness, all NFL wide receivers could learn from Marvin. Notice marvin didnt get caught, or convicted. Pay attention, fools.

Especially you, Kenny Britt. I know you gotta get arrested to officially be a star in teh NFL but on unpaid parking tickets and a tint ticket? Really? Step it up, son

In fairness to Britt, those were Rutgers/New Brunswick parking tickets. That's like taking the Mob's money - they WILL find you.

[JimBeam]

Brady doesn't play nearly as well when he doesn't get Billicheat in his ear telling him what the other team's defense is going to do every play. You could take a Jason Campbell and switch him with Brady and Campbell would shine in Boston while Brady wouldn't go anywhere with the Redskins current offensive line. Brady's one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game. He was down 14 points with an entire quarter to play against the Saints, does he fight for it? No, he gives up and cries on the sidelines. He's not gonna play the pro bowl cuz of injuries? Sorry Tommy, a broken heart is not a fucking real injury.

Last season, the Vikings were barely a wildcard team in the playoffs. This season they're the #2 seed. You don't think that Brett had anything to do with that? If you played football for 35yrs of your life and then suddenly it was time to make the decision to never play again, it wouldn't be so easy to make it without waffling. Hell, some people here can't even quit posting here for more than a couple weeks after starting the "I'm leaving forever" threads. He wasn't ready to retire and his performance this season demonstrated it. He should play in the NFL for as long as he wants to play, the league doctors let him play, and he continues to out perform players 10 years younger than him.

But it's not just about him.

They weren't in the NFC Championship game based on what he did alone but because of what his defense and supporting characters did as well.

Sue I'd welcome him back on my team if he was gonna be a team player and do EVERYTHING that it takes to win.

[Snoogans]

In fairness to Britt, those were Rutgers/New Brunswick parking tickets. That's like taking the Mob's money - they WILL find you.

according to the article they were actually issued in livingston

[Freitag]

according to the article they were actually issued in livingston

Livngston campus or Livingston, NJ?

I know Livingston campus doesn't exist anymore but it's still referred to as that colloquially.

[Snoogans]

Livngston campus or Livingston, NJ?

I know Livingston campus doesn't exist anymore but it's still referred to as that colloquially.

it just said the tickets were in livingston. i guess just the town

[underdog]

Exactly.

Now was he a murderer or did Manning make him a murderer ?

What ever happened to that story ?

It never went anywhere after that Sports Illustrated or ESPN aticle.

There was recently a big article in some men's magazine about it. Deadspin was all over it.

Brady doesn't play nearly as well when he doesn't get Billicheat in his ear telling him what the other team's defense is going to do every play. You could take a Jason Campbell and switch him with Brady and Campbell would shine in Boston while Brady wouldn't go anywhere with the Redskins current offensive line. Brady's one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game. He was down 14 points with an entire quarter to play against the Saints, does he fight for it? No, he gives up and cries on the sidelines. He's not gonna play the pro bowl cuz of injuries? Sorry Tommy, a broken heart is not a fucking real injury.

This could be the single dumbest thing ever written on this site.

I can't let this one go. You know it was at the BEGINNING of the 07 season that they got caught cheating, right? And then Brady threw for a NFL RECORD FIFTY TOUCHDOWNS. You know that, right? Jesus.

I trash Manning because I don't like him, but I do believe he's the greatest QB ever to play the game. His one thing he had to overcome was not winning the big one, but when he came back on the Patriots in the playoffs in 07, all that went away. No lead is safe with Manning on the other side of the field. The man is just a fucking machine. The pass to Collie that he dropped in at the end of the 1st half was fucking amazing, and the announcers barely spoke of it. As much as I hate the man, I feel lucky being able to watch him play.

[badmonkey]

But it's not just about him.

They weren't in the NFC Championship game based on what he did alone but because of what his defense and supporting characters did as well.

Sue I'd welcome him back on my team if he was gonna be a team player and do EVERYTHING that it takes to win.

My point was that he was the missing element. They lost as a team, not because Favre wasn't a team player. You think the backup quarterback would have done better in a situation like that with the Super Bowl on the line?

[JimBeam]

My point was that he was the missing element. They lost as a team, not because Favre wasn't a team player. You think the backup quarterback would have done better in a situation like that with the Super Bowl on the line?

Hey at one point Brady was a backup no ?

I bet there are plenty of other QBs who would've been better on that one play.

[badmonkey]

There was recently a big article in some men's magazine about it. Deadspin was all over it.



This could be the single dumbest thing ever written on this site.

I can't let this one go. You know it was at the BEGINNING of the 07 season that they got caught cheating, right? And then Brady threw for a NFL RECORD FIFTY TOUCHDOWNS. You know that, right? Jesus.

I trash Manning because I don't like him, but I do believe he's the greatest QB ever to play the game. His one thing he had to overcome was not winning the big one, but when he came back on the Patriots in the playoffs in 07, all that went away. No lead is safe with Manning on the other side of the field. The man is just a fucking machine. The pass to Collie that he dropped in at the end of the 1st half was fucking amazing, and the announcers barely spoke of it. As much as I hate the man, I feel lucky being able to watch him play.

Again...I repeat... Tom Brady is overrated. If he was so great, how come he didn't make the playoffs this year? Why's he the 3rd choice for pro bowl BEHIND Phillip Rivers? The answer is because the Patriots aren't that good anymore as a whole and he's playing at the same level he's always played.

[disneyspy]

Again...I repeat... Tom Brady is overrated. If he was so great, how come he didn't make the playoffs this year? Why's he the 3rd choice for pro bowl BEHIND Phillip Rivers? The answer is because the Patriots aren't that good anymore as a whole and he's playing at the same level he's always played.

the patriots won the AFC EAST

[badmonkey]

the patriots won the AFC EAST

oh right... i forgot about their loss to the Ravens in post season. I stand corrected about that. The Patriots made the playoffs and then proceeded to blow it.

[disneyspy]

oh right... i forgot about their loss to the Ravens in post season. I stand corrected about that. The Patriots made the playoffs and then proceeded to blow it.

only one team doesnt get knocked out of the playoffs but not every team makes it to them,i'd say he had a pretty damn good season and career

[badmonkey]

only one team doesnt get knocked out of the playoffs but not every team makes it to them,i'd say he had a pretty damn good season and career

Brady vs Favre side by side (http://www.nfl.com/stats/headtohead?player1=FAV540222&player2=BRA371156&player3=null&player4=null&position=quarterback&playerOne=Brett+Favre&playerTwo=Tom+Brady&playerThree=Select+a+Player...&playerFour=Select+a+Player...)

[underdog]

oh right... i forgot about their loss to the Ravens in post season. I stand corrected about that. The Patriots made the playoffs and then proceeded to blow it.

Mainly because of their awful defense.

Brady had his 2nd best statistical year of his career, coming off of a catastrophic knee injury.

[underdog]

Brady vs Favre side by side (http://www.nfl.com/stats/headtohead?player1=FAV540222&player2=BRA371156&player3=null&player4=null&position=quarterback&playerOne=Brett+Favre&playerTwo=Tom+Brady&playerThree=Select+a+Player...&playerFour=Select+a+Player...)

And? Favre had one of his best seasons of his career.

So Brady isn't that good because he had almost the same season as a Hall Of Fame QB's best year?

[TripleSkeet]

Ok there are too many posts to quote so Ill just address all the ones I can remember.

To say Jason Campbell would have been just as succesfull on the Pats as Brady has may be the dumbest fucking thing Ive ever heard.

The thing about Bradshaw is his teams defense wasnt just good (which New Englands was, good, not great) his defenses were FUCKING RIDICULOUS. Look up the stats for those years and how many games the other teams were held to single digits. Its mind boggling. Same with Baltimores. And they both were mainly power running teams, barely using the pass. Thats why Bradshaw doesnt get the credit.

I think Aikman falls into that "running team" category too, because of Emmett Smith, but I think hes terribly underrated as a QB, and as an Eagles fan it kills me to say that.

As far as Montana goes, everyone loves to screm how he had the best wide reciever in history, yet nobody seems to remember he won a Super Bowl while Jerry Rice was still in college. And they REVOLUTIONIZED the passing system in the game of football. They looked like fucking pros playing against high school teams. Joe Montana ran that offense.

Bradys the real fucking deal. And so is Manning. I just cannot put Manning over Brady while Brady has more rings. I cant do it. If Manning were to tie him in SB's I would then give it to Manning. Heres a quick FYI, a QB with 3 Super Bowl rings cannot be overrated. Its fucking impossible. Especially considering he was a 5th round pick.

And anyone that thinks that all these players are nobodies and Peyton Manning makes them all great you guys are delusional. By your logic if Manning were to go to the Raiders next year they would be in the Super Bowl. When the truth is, with that line and those receivers hed be out with a broken back within a month.

[badmonkey]

Mainly because of their awful defense.

Brady had his 2nd best statistical year of his career, coming off of a catastrophic knee injury.

Favre came back at 40yrs old after surgery to his throwing arm in the off season.

And? Favre had one of his best seasons of his career.

So Brady isn't that good because he had almost the same season as a Hall Of Fame QB's best year?

I was interested to see the side by side and posted it since I looked it up since somebody else might find it interesting too. Brady had "almost the same season" as a guy 8 years older than him who came back from off season surgery, played his first season on a new team full of players he'd never played with before, and just barely missed the Super Bowl. Yeah, that's "almost the same season" exactly.

[JimBeam]

And not saying thats Brady done it all w/ smoke and mirrors but something has to be observed from how Matt Cassell was inserted in that system last year and got them to about the same place they were this year.

I don't think you can put the Colt's backup QBs in that system and expect the same results.

[JimBeam]

Damn you Archie !!!

Ex-New Orleans Saints QB Archie Manning will pull for son Peyton Manning's Indianapolis Colts

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4856216

[underdog]

Favre came back at 40yrs old after surgery to his throwing arm in the off season.



I was interested to see the side by side and posted it since I looked it up since somebody else might find it interesting too. Brady had "almost the same season" as a guy 8 years older than him who came back from off season surgery, played his first season on a new team full of players he'd never played with before, and just barely missed the Super Bowl. Yeah, that's "almost the same season" exactly.

It could be argued that NO ONE in the entire league had a better season than Favre. Favre's season was amazing.

And not saying thats Brady done it all w/ smoke and mirrors but something has to be observed from how Matt Cassell was inserted in that system last year and got them to about the same place they were this year.

I don't think you can put the Colt's backup QBs in that system and expect the same results.

They missed the playoffs with Cassell. And had a much, much better defense.

I don't get this "system" people keep talking about when it comes to the Patriots offense. Defense, sure, I get that. But they've had a bunch of OCs while Brady has been the QB. Their new one is fucking horrible.

[TripleSkeet]

Oh and for those asking, Walter Payton has a Super Bowl ring. And hes not considered the greatest running back of all time anymore. I wouldnt even put him above Emmett Smith, Barry Sanders or Marshall Faulk.

And heres Montanas stats for the Super Bowl: 4 wins, 11 TD's, 0 Ints, and a 127 QB rating. The guy was a fucking machine.

[cougarjake13]

favre epo'd the vikings


hilarious

[jauble]

Skeet I got your point about the thing this morning. I was just listing what I have come across. I forgot two things, Indy is not a major market so you have 'fans of Manning' in other markets which makes me sick. You have your team stay with your team. I loved the Colts because they are as old in Indy as I am alive. I suffered through some bad years with them and I am a Cubs guy so loyalty is important. Also the whole Baltimore thing leaves people with a bad taste in their mouth. Underdog I completely understand your hate and its mutual.

[KnoxHarrington]

In case you need a good laugh, here's the Minnesota Vikings' radio network's call of Favre's brain-dead interception:

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"This is not Detroit, man! This is the Super Bowl!"

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol:

[underdog]

Possibly the greatest news ever. (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704762904575025361868456650.html)

[Ritalin]

Hey, shouldn't this be the 2010 NFL Playoff thread?

Yes, it should be.

Dig this little bit of a Pro Bowl story about Chad Ochocinco. You
gotta love it:

The six-time Pro Bowl receiver is an international soccer fan and practices kicking. He had never done it during a game until last August, when Bengals kicker Shayne Graham was bothered by a sore groin in practice before a preseason game against the New England Patriots in Foxborough.

Ochocinco kicked an extra point and had a deep kickoff as Graham's replacement, providing the winning point in Cincinnati's 7-6 victory. Afterward, he referred to himself as "Esteban Ochocinco, the most interesting footballer in the world."

[Ritalin]

Fuck the NFL. Sending out cease and desist letters to people selling "Who Dat?" tshirts.

Fuck you.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/super-bowl/01/29/whodat.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

[TripleSkeet]

Fuck the NFL. Sending out cease and desist letters to people selling "Who Dat?" tshirts.

Fuck you.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/super-bowl/01/29/whodat.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

The NFL's greed is fucking disgusting.

[KnoxHarrington]

Please, God, tell me that Hank Jr has done a Pro Bowl song.

Because I'm ready for some football.

[disneyspy]

Please, God, tell me that Hank Jr has done a Pro Bowl song.

Because I'm ready for some football.

my new catch phrase is going to be "snoogans loves you"

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm just waiting for that inevitable moment in the Pro Bowl when one player gets carried away, forgets this is the Pro Bowl and you aren't actually supposed to hit anyone, and just absolutely blows up someone else.

[Suspect Chin]

Is this the first year that they've mic'd the players? I don't remember this in past years. Hearing Ray Lewis direct the defense was pretty interesting.

[Suspect Chin]

I wonder if Jon Gruden does that stupid hand thing the entire game or only when he knows the camera is on.

[Suspect Chin]

Dammit I wanted to see Ocho Cinco's touchdown celebration.

[cougarjake13]

I'm just waiting for that inevitable moment in the Pro Bowl when one player gets carried away, forgets this is the Pro Bowl and you aren't actually supposed to hit anyone, and just absolutely blows up someone else.



almost happened with mike jenkins

[goreds2]

From TMZ:

head coach Jim Caldwell isn't holding anything back for Super Bowl week -- including his wallet -- 'cause dude just dropped a monstrous tip after a coaches dinner in Florida this week.

TMZ has learned Coach Caldwell hit Grille 66 & Bar in Ft. Lauderdale on Tuesday night where he and his crew gorged themselves on stone crabs, shrimp, oysters, and "several" orders of the surf and turf.

A source connected to the situation tells TMZ Caldwell and Co. racked up a $2,500 bill -- but left a $1,000 tip ... that's 40%.

TMZ spoke with restaurant manager Peter Brennen who wouldn't confirm the numbers but did admit he was "very generous."

We called the Colts for comment ... but apparently, they're a little too preoccupied at the moment.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/tmzsports/#ixzz0esgiSbz9

[King Hippos Bandaid]

my pick is the Colts


I want the Saints to win


either way I like both teams


Most Importantly

I hit one of my boxes in 7 different grids

Lets Go Tails on the Coin Toss

Hope that Dallas Clark scores the 1st TD

There are 2 or more fumbles in the game

[underdog]

From TMZ:

head coach Jim Caldwell isn't holding anything back for Super Bowl week -- including his wallet -- 'cause dude just dropped a monstrous tip after a coaches dinner in Florida this week.

TMZ has learned Coach Caldwell hit Grille 66 & Bar in Ft. Lauderdale on Tuesday night where he and his crew gorged themselves on stone crabs, shrimp, oysters, and "several" orders of the surf and turf.

A source connected to the situation tells TMZ Caldwell and Co. racked up a $2,500 bill -- but left a $1,000 tip ... that's 40%.

TMZ spoke with restaurant manager Peter Brennen who wouldn't confirm the numbers but did admit he was "very generous."

We called the Colts for comment ... but apparently, they're a little too preoccupied at the moment.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/tmzsports/#ixzz0esgiSbz9

Leaving a 40% tip is newsworthy?

[TheGameHHH]

my pick is the Colts


I want the Saints to win


either way I like both teams


Most Importantly

I hit one of my boxes in 7 different grids

Lets Go Tails on the Coin Toss

Hope that Dallas Clark scores the 1st TD

There are 2 or more fumbles in the game

Just placed my bet for heads on the coin toss, thank you.

[epo]

my pick is the Colts CHECK

Lets Go Tails on the Coin Toss CHECK

Hope that Dallas Clark scores the 1st TD CHECK

There are 2 or more fumbles in the game CHECK

Ladies and gentlemen, THAT is how you Hippo a football game!

[TripleSkeet]

Gotta love when the football gods set things straight. Enjoy all that rest Indianapolis. Oh and Joe Montana called and said hes still the best ever, in case people had forgotten..

[disneyspy]

Gotta love when the football gods set things straight. Enjoy all that rest Indianapolis. Oh and Joe Montana called and said hes still the best ever, in case people had forgotten..

no shit? joe montana called you to tell you that? i find that hard to believe

[disneyspy]

CHECK

CHECK

CHECK

CHECK

Ladies and gentlemen, THAT is how you Hippo a football game!

hhaahahahhahaha!! fuckin hippo

[King Hippos Bandaid]

CHECK

CHECK

CHECK

CHECK

Ladies and gentlemen, THAT is how you Hippo a football game!


wow beat me to the punch


I did make my money back with a $300 box hit for halftime


but yes, I do suck


I suck at lots of things

[Marc with a c]

I suck at lots of things

lots = all

[disneyspy]

wow beat me to the punch


I did make my money back with a $300 box hit for halftime


but yes, I do suck


I suck at lots of things

your awesomeness knows no ends

[KnoxHarrington]

You knew this Super Bowl was going to get a monster rating, with clearly the two best teams in the league meeting, and all sorts of compelling stories like New Orleans rebounding from Katrina and Manning going for another ring.

But damn:

The Super Bowl was watched by more than 106 million people, surpassing the 1983 finale of "M-A-S-H" to become the most-watched program in television history.

The Nielsen Co. estimated Monday that 106.5 million people watched the New Orleans Saints upset the Indianapolis Colts. That beats the "M-A-S-H" finale, which had 105.97 million viewers in an era when there were fewer television sets.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/super-bowl/02/08/ratings.ap/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz0f0frmzVK



The NFL is running at an all-time high now with incredible ratings and an all-time height of fan interest. Don't fuck this up with a stupid lockout, Goodell.

[keithy_19]

The NFL is running at an all-time high now with incredible ratings and an all-time height of fan interest. Don't fuck this up with a stupid lockout, Goodell.

http://www.brandlandusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/usfl.png

[Joe Pietaro]

The new USFL has pushed back its intended launch of 2010 at least one more year. They are going to be bringing back names of the old teams, even of they're not in the same city as the original one.

Any football is good to me. I even went to a UFL game this past season. Bring it on, USFL!

[underdog]

Saints Win Super Bowl, but Onside Kick Was Dirty Pool (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/342457-onside-kick-was-dirty-pool)

hahaha

[EliSnow]

Saints Win Super Bowl, but Onside Kick Was Dirty Pool (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/342457-onside-kick-was-dirty-pool)

hahaha

That guy is full of shit. The reason that teams don't try onside kicks often is not due to a gentlemen's rule. It's because it's a high risk play, and if you don't get the ball, you give the other team great field position.

[sailor]

That guy is full of shit. The reason that teams don't try onside kicks often is not due to a gentlemen's rule. It's because it's a high risk play, and if you don't get the ball, you give the other team great field position.



his point was only at the start of the half. i've never heard of it, but it doesn't mean it's not so.

[JimBeam]

Eli's correct.

You know what the gentleman's rule is in the Super Bowl ?

Do everything you can to win the game.

He acts like the Saints automatically got the ball.

Just because the Colts were ill prepared to be ready for the kick doesn't mean they still didn't have a greater chance of recovering it.

The kicking teams has to make sure the ball goes 10 yards before they can touch it.

Plenty of things are in favor of the receiving team.

Does he propose that there shouldn't be fumbles allowed on the opening kickoffs as well.

I mean what if the kicking team strips the returner of the ball ?

In his fantasy world the team that lost the toss will not have gotten the ball to start the 2nd half.

Nonsense.

[EliSnow]

Eli's correct.

You know what the gentleman's rule is in the Super Bowl ?

Do everything you can to win the game.

He acts like the Saints automatically got the ball.

Just because the Colts were ill prepared to be ready for the kick doesn't mean they still didn't have a greater chance of recovering it.

The kicking teams has to make sure the ball goes 10 yards before they can touch it.

Plenty of things are in favor of the receiving team.

Does he propose that there shouldn't be fumbles allowed on the opening kickoffs as well.

I mean what if the kicking team strips the returner of the ball ?

In his fantasy world the team that lost the toss will not have gotten the ball to start the 2nd half.

Nonsense.

Under his "rules," there shouldn't even be a kick-off. Just give the ball to the team on the 20 yard line.

[EliSnow]

his point was only at the start of the half. i've never heard of it, but it doesn't mean it's not so.

I understood his point, but it's still shit.

[hammersavage]

its either a pretty funny goof to get readers or the guy should be put down.

[JimBeam]

I've read stuff on that site before and he seems to at times write things that are controversial probably to get the reaction so you might be correct.

[TripleSkeet]

Saints Win Super Bowl, but Onside Kick Was Dirty Pool (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/342457-onside-kick-was-dirty-pool)

hahaha

That may be the gayest thing thats ever been written about football. The only way I could even halfway understand it is if it was written by a chick.

[The Bends]

I love how Reggie Bush found his way to the podium as Drew Bree's was getting his SB MVP trophy. Hey Reggie, you did nothing! I mean, you weren't even on the field during the crucial moments of the game.

Is there a more overrated football player than Reggie Bush? Mike Vick and Vince young quickly come to mind.

And please, don't give me that "Vince Young Wins" crap. Rex Grossman "won", but didn't get credit for it. Sean Hill "won", but wasn't called good. Shoot, the very old and mediocre Kerry Collins "won" with the same team. Shit, the Titans won because of Chris Johnson, the BEST RB in football. Johnson rushed for more yards than Young passed for, in more than a few games. The Titans won, Young was a passenger during that winning, NOT the driving force!

[razorboy]

I love how Reggie Bush found his way to the podium as Drew Bree's was getting his SB MVP trophy. Hey Reggie, you did nothing! I mean, you weren't even on the field during the crucial moments of the game.

Is there a more overrated football player than Reggie Bush? Mike Vick and Vince young quickly come to mind.

And please, don't give me that "Vince Young Wins" crap. Rex Grossman "won", but didn't get credit for it. Sean Hill "won", but wasn't called good. Shoot, the very old and mediocre Kerry Collins "won" with the same team. Shit, the Titans won because of Chris Johnson, the BEST RB in football. Johnson rushed for more yards than Young passed for, in more than a few games. The Titans won, Young was a passenger during that winning, NOT the driving force!

Meh, I'd add Joey Porter to that list.

[Snoogans]

I love how Reggie Bush found his way to the podium as Drew Bree's was getting his SB MVP trophy. Hey Reggie, you did nothing! I mean, you weren't even on the field during the crucial moments of the game.

Is there a more overrated football player than Reggie Bush? Mike Vick and Vince young quickly come to mind.

And please, don't give me that "Vince Young Wins" crap. Rex Grossman "won", but didn't get credit for it. Sean Hill "won", but wasn't called good. Shoot, the very old and mediocre Kerry Collins "won" with the same team. Shit, the Titans won because of Chris Johnson, the BEST RB in football. Johnson rushed for more yards than Young passed for, in more than a few games. The Titans won, Young was a passenger during that winning, NOT the driving force!

werent the titans like 1-7 when collins got benched and young took over? Didnt they finish like 7-9 or 8-8 or something?

[JimBeam]

Bush had some clutch moments in the playoff run but no he hasn't been the player the Saints expected.

I hope they allow him to leave and maybe he'll go to Seattle to regroup w/ Carroll.

The last thing the Saints need is a complacent, due to having won the Super Bowl, Reggie Bush and Jeremey Shockey.

[Ogre]

Under his "rules," there shouldn't even be a kick-off. Just give the ball to the team on the 20 yard line.

Yeah Pee Wee Pop Warner rules. The author probably would like a Ninth Place Ribbon just like Gaylord Focker has.

[Snoogans]

whats wrong with just playing a 15 minute OT quarter, whoever is up at the end wins.

and no more ties, if both teams are so inept one cant win with 5 quarters, they both get a loss

[The Bends]

werent the titans like 1-7 when collins got benched and young took over? Didnt they finish like 7-9 or 8-8 or something?
The year before, they went 13-3 under Collins.

[TripleSkeet]

whats wrong with just playing a 15 minute OT quarter, whoever is up at the end wins.

and no more ties, if both teams are so inept one cant win with 5 quarters, they both get a loss

I think OT would be better if the rule was: The first team to hit 6 points wins.

[disneyspy]

I think OT would be better if the rule was: The first team to hit 6 points wins.

that is an awesome idea

[JimBeam]

I think OT would be better if the rule was: The first team to hit 6 points wins.

It's clearly the best of all the ideas.

Means a team would need 2 possessions to win if they went for the FGs.

Also would allow a team that went for an offensive TD or w/ a defensive TD to end the game.

[KnoxHarrington]

It's clearly the best of all the ideas.

Means a team would need 2 possessions to win if they went for the FGs.

Also would allow a team that went for an offensive TD or w/ a defensive TD to end the game.

The only problem I have with this idea is that I think that, unless you lift the 1 OT rule in the regular season (and I don't think you should), you'd have a much greater chance of the game ending in a tie.

I'd keep the rule as it is for the regular season, but have a "first to 6" rule in the playoffs.

[JimBeam]

I see your point if both teams kick a FG in OT and neither scores again.

But you could also make it 1st to 6 in a 15 minute OT wins automatically but if for some reason only 1 team kicked a FG in the 15 minutes then they'd win too.

It's not like you'd have a team kick a FG early and then just sit on the ball for any period of time because if the other team scored a TD it'd be over.

[sailor]

first to 6 is just silly. maybe even more silly than the college OT. playing a full period is the only other option that makes sense.

[hammersavage]

normal play, each team is guaranteed a possession each. if still tied, sudden death.

[JimBeam]

first to 6 is just silly. maybe even more silly than the college OT. playing a full period is the only other option that makes sense.

Why is it silly ?

It'd prevent a team from winning the toss, taking a KO to the 35, gaining 35 yards and kicking a 52 yard FG.

If the team can move the ball they'll have to go another 35 yards for the TD.

Not even close to the college version of OT.

[TripleSkeet]

first to 6 is just silly. maybe even more silly than the college OT. playing a full period is the only other option that makes sense.

Not silly at all. Just like he said, its stops the team from just winning the coin toss, getting minimum yardage and winning on a field goal. Which is the problem most people have with it.

I have no problem giving the win to a team that wins the coin toss, drives down the field and scores a touchdown. If your D cant man up in OT, you dont deserve to win.

Theres no need for another full quarter. All that does is make whats a long game even longer. Not to mention it completely fucks up all kinds of tv schedules. Plus the havok it would play with the gamblers. That alone is one reason you will never see it happen. It would be a train wreck. You want to win? Either drive down and put it in the end zone, or kick a field goal, play great D and kick another one. The end.

[sailor]

it's way too gimmicky.

[hammersavage]

it's way too gimmicky.

not at all. you either have to score a TD or prevent one. It's actual football. A coin toss is gimmicky

[PapaBear]

I have no problem giving the win to a team that wins the coin toss, drives down the field and scores a touchdown. If your D cant man up in OT, you dont deserve to win.

I agree.

A coin toss is gimmicky

If you make it a required touchdown, how is a coin toss gimmicky? That's how every game is started. The boring part is the field goals. But the overtime coin toss is statistically irrelevant. But someone has to get the ball first.

[Suspect Chin]

If Mojo was still here he would have closed this thread a week ago.

[PapaBear]

If Mojo was still here he would have closed this thread a week ago.
An off season thread would probably be more appropriate.

[TheGameHHH]

I think OT would be better if the rule was: The first team to hit 6 points wins.

or just steal Simmons' idea, whatever works best for you

[TripleSkeet]

or just steal Simmons' idea, whatever works best for you

What was Simmons idea? I dont usually read his page unless someone posts a link. Its not like this hasnt been talked about on sports radio 100 times already. If he said it he certainly didnt come up with it.

[TheGameHHH]

What was Simmons idea? I dont usually read his page unless someone posts a link. Its not like this hasnt been talked about on sports radio 100 times already. If he said it he certainly didnt come up with it.

you win the coin toss and kick a field goal, the other team gets a shot to go down and score a td, if they kick a field goal then you keep on going....etc. essentialy, first one to score a TD wins

[JimBeam]

I'm not sure TripleSkeet was claiming to have come up w/ the idea but I can assure you that I never read Simmons and I've heard the proposal in a few places.

To think 1 guy out of 10 million that cover sports nationally was the 1st to present that idea is unrealistic.

[epo]

If Mojo was still here he would have closed this thread a week ago.

This place isn't the same without his ruthless injustice.

[TripleSkeet]

you win the coin toss and kick a field goal, the other team gets a shot to go down and score a td, if they kick a field goal then you keep on going....etc. essentialy, first one to score a TD wins

Oh, no I dont like that idea. Once again it makes the game too long. First to 6 wins is fine for me.

[cougarjake13]

werent the titans like 1-7 when collins got benched and young took over? Didnt they finish like 7-9 or 8-8 or something?



yeh but didnt losing haynesworth and some other def guys hurt more than collins play ??

i wasnt watching titans games so im not sure if it was totally collins fault but i do seem to remember he was throwing picks like it was super bowl 35

[TheGameHHH]

this is pretty cool

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4953182

[boobieman]

this is pretty cool

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4953182

Sounds good..now if they can just get to actually playing and having playoffs after the upcoming year. Wonder if a lock out would really mess up or kill football.

I need FOOTBALL

SSEYYAAAAAA

[jauble]

this is pretty cool

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4953182

Why wouldn't they do this for all games? OT can determine if teams get to the playoffs.

[Snoogans]

its still stupid. If the team that gets the toss scores a TD then the game is still over. So fuckin dumb. JUST PLAY THE 15 FUCKIN MINUTES

[hammersavage]

its still stupid. If the team that gets the toss scores a TD then the game is still over. So fuckin dumb. JUST PLAY THE 15 FUCKIN MINUTES


That would be the worst. Some of these games don't end til almost 5 as it is. I don't want 4 hour games

[hammersavage]

Whoops, didn't read the article. In the playoffs, an extra period would be fine.

[King Imp]

this is pretty cool

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4953182

While I don't mind this change, this paragragh disgusts me.
The debate about the rules gained steam after the NFC championship game, when New Orleans beat Minnesota 31-28 in overtime and Brett Favre's Vikings never got the ball in the extra period. Under the proposed rule, Minnesota would have gotten another possession because the Vikings didn't allow a touchdown.

They are so fucking desperate to suck Brett Favre's cock at every turn that they are only considering this now because their Golden Boy didn't get to the big game. Just like how they were falling all over themselves to apologize for not calling a penalty on the hit where he got hurt because he then would have had a chance to win it.

These people need to get over themselves and stop acting like the almighty Favre is bigger than the game itself.

[KnoxHarrington]

Whatever change is made to the OT rule -- and I'm not convinced one is necessary at all -- should be in the playoffs only.

They were talking about this on ESPN earlier though, and it's almost 50/50 in the playoffs. It's not the vast, huge difference some people say it is.

[underdog]

Whatever change is made to the OT rule -- and I'm not convinced one is necessary at all -- should be in the playoffs only.

They were talking about this on ESPN earlier though, and it's almost 50/50 in the playoffs. It's not the vast, huge difference some people say it is.

I'm pretty sure I heard Adam Schefter say that the team that wins the coin toss in the playoff in OT is 13-14 in those games.

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm pretty sure I heard Adam Schefter say that the team that wins the coin toss in the playoff in OT is 13-14 in those games.

I thought it might have been 14-13 in favor of the team winning the toss, but either way it's not more than a game or two over .500.

[underdog]

Lots of news :

Peppers to Chicago (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=4969071)

Wilfork & Patriots reach record deal (http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=4970238&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

Boldin to Ravens (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4970057&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

Roethlisberger accused of sexual assault. Again. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4970050&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

[KnoxHarrington]

The fact that Roethlisberger is facing yet another charge of sexual assault does make it look like there might be a bit more to the first charge than we thought. Or, at least, it can't just be dismissed as some whore looking for some cash (which it still might be, or probably is).

At the very least, couple this with the fact that this douche went out riding on a motorcycle with no helmet, and you realize what a true dumbass he must be.

[epo]

The fact that Roethlisberger is facing yet another charge of sexual assault does make it look like there might be a bit more to the first charge than we thought. Or, at least, it can't just be dismissed as some whore looking for some cash (which it still might be, or probably is).

At the very least, couple this with the fact that this douche went out riding on a motorcycle with no helmet, and you realize what a true dumbass he must be.

If I were a Steelers fan, I'd be somewhat frightened that he is my franchise player.

[Jughead]

I was wondering what you think of the Bears and there acquisitions Why a tight end will they put up Olsen for draft picks??

[Jughead]

http://www.chicagobears.com/index.html

[KnoxHarrington]

I was wondering what you think of the Bears and there acquisitions Why a tight end will they put up Olsen for draft picks??

Are you going to hang up and listen now?

[epo]

I was wondering what you think of the Bears and there acquisitions Why a tight end will they put up Olsen for draft picks??

I understand that without draft picks this year, they sort of needed to go this route. However I don't get basically quitting on Greg Olsen.

Either way, I think the Bears are a non-factor in the division with Green Bay/Minnesota at the top.

[Jughead]

I understand that without draft picks this year, they sort of needed to go this route. However I don't get basically quitting on Greg Olsen.

Either way, I think the Bears are a non-factor in the division with Green Bay/Minnesota at the top.

You is Epo......Thanks for fielding my question I will Hang up now,,,Cheese Phuck:wink:

[cougarjake13]

The fact that Roethlisberger is facing yet another charge of sexual assault does make it look like there might be a bit more to the first charge than we thought. Or, at least, it can't just be dismissed as some whore looking for some cash (which it still might be, or probably is).

At the very least, couple this with the fact that this douche went out riding on a motorcycle with no helmet, and you realize what a true dumbass he must be.

or maybe bitches are trying to tiger woods his ass

ya never know

[Tenbatsuzen]

The NFL has changed wireless providers, the NFL will be on Verizon next year. That means you can get game audio, which is huge for me.

[KnoxHarrington]

So every year, the ultra-secret Wonderlic test results seem to, mysteriously, leak. And here's this batch of numbers. Sam Bradford scored a pretty good 36 out of 50 on the test. Jimmy Clausen got a not-so-good 23.

And Tim Tebow? Maybe Jesus should have slipped him the answer key in advance, because he scored a pretty crappy 22.

Of course, I would also remind you that Ryan Fitzgerald, who hasn't exactly been lighting up the league, got a 48, and Vince Young supposedly got a 6 on his first try and a 15 on the re-test. So it's hard to say that this is a good predictor of ability. But at the same time, hasn't the media's line on Tebow been that he's "smart" and of "good character", and thus shouldn't he be doing better than this?

Seriously, any team that gives in to media and fan pressure and drafts this bust will be hurting for years.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The fact that Roethlisberger is facing yet another charge of sexual assault does make it look like there might be a bit more to the first charge than we thought. Or, at least, it can't just be dismissed as some whore looking for some cash (which it still might be, or probably is).

At the very least, couple this with the fact that this douche went out riding on a motorcycle with no helmet, and you realize what a true dumbass he must be.

1) This is the first time that Ben is actually facing a "charge" of sexual assault. CIVIL lawsuits that were investigated do not count, especially since the loony bitch has been widely discredited in the first one.

2) I'm a firm believer that this is mechanations of TMZ Sports. Harvey Levin wants to launch his sports gossip website and this has gotten blown up because Ben went club hopping during a down period in sports.

[TheGameHHH]

So every year, the ultra-secret Wonderlic test results seem to, mysteriously, leak. And here's this batch of numbers. Sam Bradford scored a pretty good 36 out of 50 on the test. Jimmy Clausen got a not-so-good 23.

And Tim Tebow? Maybe Jesus should have slipped him the answer key in advance, because he scored a pretty crappy 22.

Of course, I would also remind you that Ryan Fitzgerald, who hasn't exactly been lighting up the league, got a 48, and Vince Young supposedly got a 6 on his first try and a 15 on the re-test. So it's hard to say that this is a good predictor of ability. But at the same time, hasn't the media's line on Tebow been that he's "smart" and of "good character", and thus shouldn't he be doing better than this?

Seriously, any team that gives in to media and fan pressure and drafts this bust will be hurting for years.

the funniest thing I got from the ESPN article about this was that Tebow's college major was something like family, youth & child services. No wonder he graduated with a 3.66 GPA. Honestly, why even give these players a major? Just make up majors like "Cinnabon tasting", its pretty much the equivilant.

[Snoogans]

the funniest thing I got from the ESPN article about this was that Tebow's college major was something like family, youth & child services. No wonder he graduated with a 3.66 GPA. Honestly, why even give these players a major? Just make up majors like "Cinnabon tasting", its pretty much the equivilant.

what are you tryin to ruin the program. those bums need to be in shape, not eating cinnibons

[TheGameHHH]

what are you tryin to ruin the program. those bums need to be in shape, not eating cinnibons

fine, "lean protein and complex carbohydrate tasting"?

[Snoogans]

fine, "HGH and steroid tasting"?

fixed

[TheGameHHH]

fixed

much better

[Tenbatsuzen]

Just make up majors like "Cinnabon tasting", its pretty much the equivilant.

http://blog.nj.com/devils_main/2008/10/medium_brodeur10.jpg

[cougarjake13]

The NFL has changed wireless providers, the NFL will be on Verizon next year. That means you can get game audio, which is huge for me.

so you can get game day as its being played on your phone ??

[TheGameHHH]

LT is now a New York Jet

And the Browns traded Quinn

[boobieman]

LT is now a New York Jet

And the Browns traded Quinn

and the iggles are doing shit!!!! Come on make some moves.

SSEYYAYAAA

[Gutter]

Giants win a closed door "coin toss" to determine the 1st game to be played at the new Giants Stadium. Giants will play the first Sunday afternoon of the regular season and the Jets will play on Monday Night.

[cougarjake13]

Giants win a closed door "coin toss" to determine the 1st game to be played at the new Giants Stadium. Giants will play the first Sunday afternoon of the regular season and the Jets will play on Monday Night.



yeh like it was gonna go any other way

[Tenbatsuzen]

so you can get game day as its being played on your phone ??

yes. I like listening to football on the radio in my house, which is difficult to do as my only sirius receiver is in my car. So I can listen to the ESPN radio feed (which I can't get in Central NJ) and watch the game.

[boobieman]

And the Eagles finally dump Shawn Andrews..About time...

SSEYYAAAA

[KnoxHarrington]

The NFL Competition Committee has recommended a new OT rule for the playoffs. If the team that wins the coin toss gets a field goal, the team that lost the toss will get the ball to try to tie the game back or win on a touchdown.

This seems to me to be a pretty good rule -- better than the stupid college OT rule -- and I like that it'll be playoffs only.

In an irony, though, look who one of the owners who doesn't like the rule is:

One owner who would seem to have reason to favor the modification, Minnesota's Zygi Wilf, is not convinced it's a wise move. The Vikings lost the coin toss for overtime in the NFC title game, then saw the Saints march to a winning field goal on the first -- and only -- series.

Still, as of Monday, Wilf was leaning toward voting no to a switch.

"We need consistency of the regular season and postseason," he said.

But, as Polian and other committee members point out, the playoffs already have different overtime rules.

"We play until there is a winner," Polian said.



Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/03/22/overtime.meeting.ap/index.html?eref=sihp##ixzz0j0qujIww
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[boobieman]

Anyone else hate the way they are doing the draft this year...I was so looking forward to a good Saturday drinking day.

1st round 7:30 Thursday night
2nd round Friday night
3rd & 4th round Saturday
5th and UP Sunday.

I just tired of TV running football. TV made it and TV is going to destroy it.

Thank God for World Cup this year...Saturday June 12th....

SSEYYAYAAA

[TjM]

Use to be great having it in the afternoon on the weekend

[boobieman]

Use to be great having it in the afternoon on the weekend

I know I am so pissed...now I have to drink that weekend and watch Discovery or just my fish bowl...which is odd...I don't have a fish bowl...

SSEYAYYAA

[KnoxHarrington]

New OT rule passes for the playoffs, and might be added for the regular season as well.

The rule will ensure both teams will get at least one possession in overtime, unless one team scores a touchdown on the first possession of overtime, or unless the defense scores a safety on the first possession of overtime. No touchdown means the game goes to sudden death on the second possession. There would still be a coin flip to start overtime, and the winner would still choose whether to take the ball or play defense on the first possession of the extra period, though most club people interviewed here this week believe the coin flip winner will always take the ball to start overtime

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/03/23/overtime.rules/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz0j3pTySUz
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This is going to lead to some interesting strategy. For example, if you win the toss, and you've got a 4th and 1 on your opponent's 30, do you go for it? That's the outer limit of the range of most kickers, but if he makes it, you don't necessarily win the game, and if he misses it, your opponent doesn't have terrible field position to start.

I'm not as sure as Peter King is above that you'd necessarily want to take the ball if you win the toss, either. Not if you can win on a field goal in the 2nd possession.

[Tenbatsuzen]

HBO's "Hard Knocks" will feature the New York Jets this year.

(door flies open)

http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/rex4.jpg

Ryan: HOW THE FUCK YOU DOIN’, BOYS?

The sad part is that sexy Rexy got lap band surgery, so he'll probably be down a shit ton of weight when the show starts.

[hammersavage]

Jets are gonna be the featured team on this years Hard Knocks. Think they are a perfect team to have on right now, great call. Can't wait to watch.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Jets are gonna be the featured team on this years Hard Knocks. Think they are a perfect team to have on right now, great call. Can't wait to watch.

did... did you just hammersavage me?

[TheGameHHH]

Jets are gonna be the featured team on this years Hard Knocks. Think they are a perfect team to have on right now, great call. Can't wait to watch.

even though i hate them i absolutely agree. its better than the shitty chiefs, bengals and over-hyped cowboys

[cougarjake13]

New OT rule passes for the playoffs, and might be added for the regular season as well.



This is going to lead to some interesting strategy. For example, if you win the toss, and you've got a 4th and 1 on your opponent's 30, do you go for it? That's the outer limit of the range of most kickers, but if he makes it, you don't necessarily win the game, and if he misses it, your opponent doesn't have terrible field position to start.

I'm not as sure as Peter King is above that you'd necessarily want to take the ball if you win the toss, either. Not if you can win on a field goal in the 2nd possession.




well theres still the posiblilty that team 1 receives the ball and drives down for a touchdown and you never get a shot so i think you'd still want the ball first

but i can also see the point of kicking away and if other team doesnt score or only kicks a field goal you'll know what you need to do to win, but you run the risk of never getting that chance

[KnoxHarrington]

well theres still the posiblilty that team 1 receives the ball and drives down for a touchdown and you never get a shot so i think you'd still want the ball first

but i can also see the point of kicking away and if other team doesnt score or only kicks a field goal you'll know what you need to do to win, but you run the risk of never getting that chance

Yeah, that's true; in college football, where you know you're going to get the ball at least once (unless you win it right away with a defensive score), taking the ball first makes no sense at all. Since, as you say, you have no such assurance in the NFL, going for it first probably is wiser.

Unless, of course, your defense is playing well and the other team is struggling offensively. Then kicking the ball does make sense.

[cougarjake13]

Yeah, that's true; in college football, where you know you're going to get the ball at least once (unless you win it right away with a defensive score), taking the ball first makes no sense at all. Since, as you say, you have no such assurance in the NFL, going for it first probably is wiser.

Unless, of course, your defense is playing well and the other team is struggling offensively. Then kicking the ball does make sense.

well in that case maybe it wouldnt matter either cause you could kick the fg then let defense stop them on their try

either way works

[hammersavage]

If I were the Rams, I'd draft Suh and trade the 2nd round pick for McNabb over drafting Bradford.


Suh is a really rare player, I haven't seen a defensive lineman dominate a game the way I saw him. I don't even think Bradford will be the best QB in the draft. Taking him #1 makes little sense to me.

[hanso]

http://www.10pix.ru/img1/4883/1126970.jpg

[Snoogans]

get your own link, im busy

apparently, the eagles just traded mcnabb


the the redskins

[HBox]

get your own link, im busy

apparently, the eagles just traded mcnabb


the the redskins

Here. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5055346)

For starters that's 2 losses next year. Way to be fucking stupid front office.

[hammersavage]

Probably for Washington's 2nd round pick (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5055346)



I wonder if he'll be booed when they play in Philly

[Snoogans]

if its only a 2nd round pick, i dont get it AT ALL. i dont get it to trade him period, but what the fuck

and to washington. which makes them tougher for the giants as well


fuck you andy reid and whoever else was involved

[hammersavage]

well they said it had to be a top 42 pick which this is so that's not a surprise at all. but in the division is pretty shocking. shakes up the top of the draft now too

[HBox]

I just saw a report saying it was a 2nd this year and a 3rd and 4th next year.

I guess I can kinda understand if that is true.

[epo]

Who the fuck trades their franchise QB to a division rival?

[Judge Smails]

11 seasons in a row. What a dynasty!

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[HBox]

OK ESPNNEWS just said it was a 2nd this year and either a 3rd or 4th next year.

I'm back to WTF.

[disneyspy]

the NFC EAST is now a 3 team race,and sorry philly fans,you're no longer in the race

[hammersavage]

the NFC EAST is now a 3 team race,and sorry philly fans,you're no longer in the race

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. They went 11-5 last year, the Skins were 4-12.

Eagles still have what looks to be a pretty good young QB coming in and have 5 of the first 80 picks. Things will tighten up but I'd say the division is still pretty wide open.


What happens to Jason Campbell? That's a pretty good backup.

[Snoogans]

im really pissed about this. what a dumb move. and I hate philly. But i wanted mcnabb gone if he was gonna be moved. not sent to where i still have to see him

[disneyspy]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. They went 11-5 last year, the Skins were 4-12.

Eagles still have what looks to be a pretty good young QB coming in and have 5 of the first 80 picks. Things will tighten up but I'd say the division is still pretty wide open.


What happens to Jason Campbell? That's a pretty good backup.

mcnabb was worth 4 of those wins,he'll do the same for the skins and philly will finish in last,i'm right about these things all the time,i would think you would start seeing that and start agreeing with me

[epo]

I'm really going to be interested how the Kolb/Vick QB Committee/Disaster works out.

[HBox]

I'm really going to be interested how the Kolb/Vick QB Committee/Disaster works out.

Kolb is the starter. And he looked pretty good in the two games he started last year. It's no sure thing of course but they wouldn't have entertained trading McNabb if they didn't have some confidence in Kolb.

[razorboy]

Kolb is the starter. And he looked pretty good in the two games he started last year. It's no sure thing of course but they wouldn't have entertained trading McNabb if they didn't have some confidence in Kolb.

A babyhands QB from a college spread offense. I'm sure it will work out just fine.

[HBox]

mcnabb was worth 4 of those wins,he'll do the same for the skins and philly will finish in last,i'm right about these things all the time,i would think you would start seeing that and start agreeing with me

McNabb will also lose one or two game on his own. He's a streaky QB. He can lead a team on a 5-6 game win streak but he will also get into such bad throwing slumps that there will be games where you wonder if he can complete a pass.

I'm still more worried about the Philly D. Without Jim Johnson they were not getting consistent pressure last year and their secondary couldn't handle it. Now they don't have Sheldon Brown or a reliable safety partner to Quinton Mikell.

But with DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Brent Celek and LeSean McCoy the offense should be fine unless Kolb is a complete disaster.

[HBox]

A babyhands QB from a college spread offense. I'm sure it will work out just fine.

He had over 300 yards passing in each of the 2 games he started last year.

[Ritalin]

Advantage 'skins. And the tumble down the ladder officially begins for the Eagles.

[Snoogans]

i think washington did get better. but i dont think philly is gonna suck. thats why im pissed as a giants fan

[HBox]

i think washington did get better. but i dont think philly is gonna suck. thats why im pissed as a giants fan

Look at the bright side: When McNabb is having one of those games where he keeps throwing laser shots at the receiver's feet there's gonna be some hilarious Mike Shanahan sideline shots.

[Snoogans]

Look at the bright side: When McNabb is having one of those games where he keeps throwing laser shots at the receiver's feet there's gonna be some hilarious Mike Shanahan sideline shots.

thats true, too bad those are NEVER AGAINST THE FUCKIN GIANTS

[K.C.]

i think washington did get better. but i dont think philly is gonna suck. thats why im pissed as a giants fan

Eagles will be the worst team in that division for several years now.

Horrible move. Not even close to sold on Kolb as a QB.

[Snoogans]

Eagles will be the worst team in that division for several years now.

Horrible move. Not even close to sold on Kolb as a QB.

it was a horrible move i agree. but philly still wont suck. besides you need to beat the giants, just put in vick. any qb that can move will own us

[HBox]

Eagles will be the worst team in that division for several years now.

Horrible move. Not even close to sold on Kolb as a QB.

We'll see about Kolb. He impressed me in the two games he started last year. The one thing I noticed was how similar the offense looked to when MCNabb was in there. Kolb obviously wasn't McNabb in those games, he threw too many picks like young QBs usually do. But he was airing out the ball, spreading it all over the place and Reid had no problem letting him repeatedly air it out. You might say that's what Reid always does and you'd be mostly right.

But one thing Andy Reid has always done very well is design his offense around the limitations of his QB. When McNabb was in his first couple years and he couldn't reliably throw the ball past 10 yards the offense was all quick hit passes and a lot of Duce Staley. When AJ Feeley had to start because of injuries it was largely the same. A lot of running and a very tightly controlled passing game. When Jeff Garcia was the starter Reid trusted him to throw the ball just about wherever but knew he needed a running game to back him up and that season Westbrook got a lot of carries. It wasn't until McNabb was fully developed as a QB that their offense became the pass crazy offense that it's been for the last few years.

The point of all that was that in Kolb's first game Reid allowed him full reign of the offense. The play calls weren't any different than they were under McNabb. And Kolb put up two 300 yard games with admittedly too many INTs. He's a long way from being a top line starter, and a full season is much more than 2 games, but I'm honestly comfortable with Kolb at this point.

[hammersavage]

They still have some of the best young skill players in the game.

And again, 5 of the first 80 picks for a team who's pretty good at evaluating talent.



I'd love more than anything for them to be horrible for a while though.

[TripleSkeet]

Well Im happy. Lets see how well McNabb plays with that stellar offensive line they have in Washington. 29th Ranked for 2009.

Im not concerned about Kolb or our offense. Weve got weapons coming out our ass. Its defense that worries me. Andy better have one hell of a draft for defensive players this year.

Ill make sig bets with whoever wants to when the season starts who finishes better, the Birds or the Skins.

[TheGameHHH]

Yes! I can't wait till the annual 'watch out for the Redskins and Bills this year' picks come out. then laugh when they both finish below .500, again.

[PapaBear]

Well Im happy. Lets see how well McNabb plays with that stellar offensive line they have in Washington. 29th Ranked for 2009..
We have no idea what the O line will be like this year. It's a totally different line.

[TripleSkeet]

We have no idea what the O line will be like this year. It's a totally different line.

Ok, so an offensive line thats working together for the first time. Still not exactly the best spot for a QB coming to a brand new team.

[Snoogans]

Yes! I can't wait till the annual 'watch out for the Redskins and Bills this year' picks come out. then laugh when they both finish below .500, again.

NOBODY CIRCLES THE WAGONS......LIKE THE BUFFALO BILLS

and NOBODY SMUGGLES DRUGS LIKE CHRIS BERMAN


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[underdog]

Kolb is the starter. And he looked pretty good in the two games he started last year. It's no sure thing of course but they wouldn't have entertained trading McNabb if they didn't have some confidence in Kolb.

Seriously. He looked pretty good in the games he played.

They still have some of the best young skill players in the game.

This, so much.

Even if the Eagles aren't great in 2010, Kolb and his great, young receivers are going to develop together and could become great very quickly.

The Eagles got DESTROYED by the Cowboys in the playoffs this year. I mean, how good could they possibly be with McNabb is the Cowboys beat them in the playoffs?

[boobieman]

I don't know about this trade. I think we should of went for better picks. Also why trade him to a decision rival who we play twice a year. I don't have a lot of faith in Kolb..yes he had 300 yard games, seams to throw the ball, but too many picks. Also Don't know if he can really move around.

Just hope McNabb does not have a Cunningham year after he was released from the Eagles.

If this all becomes shit...they better get Reid's ass out. Have to wait and see.

First Dawkins, then Westbrook, now McNabb...my team is going away, they better keep Deshawn and give him a extension.

SSEYYAAAAAAEEEE

[TripleSkeet]

I don't know about this trade. I think we should of went for better picks. Also why trade him to a decision rival who we play twice a year. I don't have a lot of faith in Kolb..yes he had 300 yard games, seams to throw the ball, but too many picks. Also Don't know if he can really move around.

Just hope McNabb does not have a Cunningham year after he was released from the Eagles.

If this all becomes shit...they better get Reid's ass out. Have to wait and see.

First Dawkins, then Westbrook, now McNabb...my team is going away, they better keep Deshawn and give him a extension.

SSEYYAAAAAAEEEE

Wasnt Cunningham doing tile work for a year or two between his stints with the Eagles and Vikings?

The thing that annoys me is I have a feeling Reid traded him to Washington instead of Oakland as a favor to McNabb. He knew if they traded him to Oakland McNabb wouldve looked like shit all year and everyone would be over him. In Washington, they still arent great but they have alot more upside.

The word is Washington gave up more because hed sign an extension there, but when asked why he did it Reid did not say "They gave us the best deal", and that annoys me.

Its weird but it really feels like the Eagles organization does not like their fanbase. Especially Reid. And while he still wants his team to win I feel hed really like to see Donovan look good so people here will regret being happy that hes gone. I dont know. I work in the building and its just a vibe I get. Oh and they DESPISE the Phillies.

[Snoogans]

Wasnt Cunningham doing tile work for a year or two between his stints with the Eagles and Vikings?

The thing that annoys me is I have a feeling Reid traded him to Washington instead of Oakland as a favor to McNabb. He knew if they traded him to Oakland McNabb wouldve looked like shit all year and everyone would be over him. In Washington, they still arent great but they have alot more upside.

The word is Washington gave up more because hed sign an extension there, but when asked why he did it Reid did not say "They gave us the best deal", and that annoys me.

Its weird but it really feels like the Eagles organization does not like their fanbase. Especially Reid. And while he still wants his team to win I feel hed really like to see Donovan look good so people here will regret being happy that hes gone. I dont know. I work in the building and its just a vibe I get. Oh and they DESPISE the Phillies.



they only hate the phillies cause Ryan Howard didnt puke all over home plate in the 8th inning of the WS

[weekapaugjz]

Yes! I can't wait till the annual 'watch out for the Redskins and Bills this year' picks come out. then laugh when they both finish below .500, again.

my prediction for the bills is worse than last year, if that's even possible. they fucking suck. chan gailey and buddy nix can suck my balls.

[Snoogans]

my prediction for the bills is worse than last year, if that's even possible. they fucking suck. chan gailey and buddy nix can suck my balls.

I heard Hippo picked them to win the SB

[weekapaugjz]

I heard Hippo picked them to win the SB

1-15 here we come! and then a grossly overpaid #1 pick! : puke:

[Snoogans]

1-15 here we come! and then a grossly overpaid #1 pick! : puke:

if you guys were smart, you would take Dan LeFevour in like the 2nd or 3rd round.

he will be the best QB outta this draft

[weekapaugjz]

if you guys were smart, you would take Dan LeFevour in like the 2nd or 3rd round.

he will be the best QB outta this draft

the way shit sounds around here is that the bills are fucking HIGH on tebow. if he's around by their pick in the second round (ninth) they will probably take him.

oh, snoogans, i was at a bbq on friday night and was talking to a girl who was cousins with (i believe this is correct) rashad knight, one of rutgers top recruits this year.

[Snoogans]

the way shit sounds around here is that the bills are fucking HIGH on tebow. if he's around by their pick in the second round (ninth) they will probably take him.

oh, snoogans, i was at a bbq on friday night and was talking to a girl who was cousins with (i believe this is correct) rashad knight, one of rutgers top recruits this year.

yea he is a DB from florida. 3 star. They say he could end up pretty good and has a shot to start this year. Nice

was she hot?

[Snoogans]

and i got a text alert from ESPN, nike signed tebow to a deal worth 300K per year plus incentives


He JUST missed gettin that 6 year 90 mill deal that bron got before he was drafted i guess

[weekapaugjz]

yea he is a DB from florida. 3 star. They say he could end up pretty good and has a shot to start this year. Nice

was she hot?

no, and actually it wasn't her cousin, but her son's cousin, but that they are still kinda close. she said he was in between michigan and rutgers for his final choices. i'm glad to hear he went to rutgers over fucking michigan.

[Snoogans]

no, and actually it wasn't her cousin, but her son's cousin, but that they are still kinda close. she said he was in between michigan and rutgers for his final choices. i'm glad to hear he went to rutgers over fucking michigan.

Nice. Im surprised considering he is from like Jacksonville area. Its tough enough to get a kid to go as far north as jersey from there, nevermind michigan.

he probably chose rutgers cause he didnt wanna have to practice 47 hours a week

[Snoogans]

btw here is how my big board would look on QBs for this draft

1: LeFevour
2: Bradford
3: McCoy

25: Clausen
1 before last: Juice Williams
Last: Tim Tebow