The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty

[Space Edge]

The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty

Just minutes ago the verdict in the case of The Pirate Bay Four was announced. All four defendants were accused of ‘assisting in making copyright content available’. Peter Sunde: Guilty. Fredrik Neij: Guilty. Gottfrid Svartholm: Guilty. Carl Lundström: Guilty. The four receive 1 year in jail each and fines totaling $3,620,000.

Rest of the article here (http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-trial-the-verdict-090417/)


I never used pirate bay I don't use public trackers, I only use private trackers and other was of downloading material. You are nuts if you still keep on using this site. This case probably just set a prescient

[boosterp]

Without self-incriminating myself I will add that Pirate Bay is in my top 3 for finding "things" that I like or need.

I had followed this case close and much of the trial was politically motivated with the US groups putting pressure on the government.

[ANC]

Pirate what? :unsure:



:innocent:

[Contra]

Did anyone go to trial for limewire? I don't get the difference.

[Doctor Manhattan]

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x270/diadefolga/jack-sparrow.jpg

Parlay?

[topless_mike]

i've never had luck with pirate bay. never really gave me what i was looking for.

oh well. another one down the tubes. another one will pop up to replace it soon.

[SP1!]

It gave out virus's too easily and otherwise just was hard to search through, but this is just people trying to grasp their last little bit of money instead of changing their business structure.

[SatCam]

Wow Obama was pretty serious about what he said the other day regarding pirates

[TheGameHHH]

Without self-incriminating myself I will add that Pirate Bay is in my top 3 for finding "things" that I like or need.

I had followed this case close and much of the trial was politically motivated with the US groups putting pressure on the government.

i also use it to find "things" and im not gonna stop. if the federal government wants to track me down for looking at a "thing", then they know where to find me.

[ADF]

The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty



Rest of the article here (http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-trial-the-verdict-090417/)


I never used pirate bay I don't use public trackers, I only use private trackers and other was of downloading material. You are nuts if you still keep on using this site. This case probably just set a prescient

If the case set a prescient, they probably knew what the verdict was going to be before it happened.

[Tall_James]

If the case set a prescient, they probably knew what the verdict was going to be before it happened.

But you knew that already.

[Death Metal Moe]

I only used Pirate Bay when other sources didn't yeild anything.

There's a price you pay for being the most known of these kinds of sites. Look at Napster. I wasn't file sharing during that time but I'm sure there were plenty of sites just as good as Napster operating out of the public spotlight that went unaffected.

The same is the case with Pirate Bay. But this one I know about because I still use the other bit torrent sites that are even better than them.

[Space Edge]

Who knows all these serves are in other countries , the site could stay up and running. Anyone remember how Demonoid disappeared one day and then came back over a year later.

[paulisded]

Private trackers are the way to go.

[Death Metal Moe]

Who knows all these serves are in other countries , the site could stay up and running. Anyone remember how Demonoid disappeared one day and then came back over a year later.

No, whatever do you mean?

[paulisded]

Bob Lefsetz comments on the verdict:

So let me get this straight. The Pirate Bay shuts down and suddenly all its users go legit, stop trading and start buying the wares of the entertainment companies. What did Roger Daltrey sing in the Who's "Naked Eye"? IT DON'T REALLY HAPPEN THAT WAY AT ALL?

I sympathize with the rights holders. Their wares are being stolen. But didn't they sue Napster ten years ago? Did that help record sales? We've learned how this works, you shut down one service and then a bunch of new ones crop up, and the RIAA is bad at playing Whack-A-Mole.

I get it, it's the legal theory/precedent. But wasn't that the rationale behind the Napster suits? Establishing the law? So now we've established the law in Sweden. Where next, Afghanistan? Cuba? North Korea? You can put a server anywhere. And the Pirate Bay is appealing and shows no willingness to shut down.

No, the only solution is new services that people want. But this requires a change in headspace. The rights holders must realize that the old business they used to love is kaput. There won't be diamond selling superstars, but a bunch of niches. Kill the Pirate Bay and suddenly U2 doesn't sell 10 million copies of their new album, Eminem doesn't dominate like he did a decade ago. You probably don't even grow any new revenue. So until you realize that you're living in a changed landscape, you can't strategize for the future.

The game of charging a high price of admission is working about as well as MySpace Music. iMeem is failing, burdened by payments to rights holders, and MySpace has got a user interface akin to Windows 3.0. If you can find what you're looking for on MySpace Music, you're a better surfer than me.

As a matter of fact, the Pirate Bay verdict isn't even the biggest story this week.

Actually, there are three big stories this week. Amazon, Domino's and Susan Boyle.

Amazon's flaws, keeping gay books out of the search results, became a raging story on Twitter. As did the Domino's employees mucking up the company's food. And then Susan Boyle went on to become the biggest superstar in music today.

The lunatics are running the asylum. It's no longer a top-down world. If you want to succeed, you have to realize you're in PARTNERSHIP with your audience/consumers. It's the only way out. There are a million cops, looking to bust you for the heinous policies you used to employ every day. And these same teeming masses decide who is a star, not radio or other traditional gatekeepers.

How long would it take for radio to go on Susan Boyle? You'd need SET-UP! The record would have to be tested! But none of this interference is run on the Web. You can get an instant spike on YouTube.

Sure, Susan Boyle sprang from the platform of "Britain's Got Talent", but they don't air that show in the U.S. and my inbox was burning up moments after she appeared on the show. That's how fast you can make a star today.

Will she last?

Well, she's got the requisite CV of a star. She's an outsider, a virgin who's never been kissed. She was dissed by her schoolmates. She's not a Barbie. The same people suing the Pirate Bay are the ones who are foisting unreasonable "stars" on the public, less and less successfully. The public knows it's cookie-cutter, that you've got to be beautiful and have true desire. Talent? The handlers will take care of that.

The public saw something in Susan Boyle. The same thing they see in James Hetfield. Somebody who's not playing by the rules, who believes in himself.

For all the bullshit about the end of civilization, the death of record companies and newspapers, those of us not employed by these entities, sans the blinders, view this as the most exciting period of our lives. Suddenly, the Davids have power. Our lone voice now means something. Truth holds sway in a way it has not previously. It's no longer who you know, but how good you are. Anybody can be a reporter, he just has to show up at the city council meeting and write down what happened. Meanwhile, the newspaper has cut that staffer and TV news doesn't do any reporting anyway.

The public is hungry for music. That's what all that trading on the Pirate Bay is about. The key is to figure out how to satiate this desire, not combat it.

The TV companies came up with Hulu. Spotify's pretty damn good.

Bring Spotify to the U.S. License others with innovative distribution systems. Don't try to get back to where you once belonged, but perceive that the past is truly history, and that if you want to survive, you're going to have to morph your company and yourself.

Selling at Wal-Mart was a start. But CDs are dying. Trent Reznor is innovating outside the major label system. Same deal with Josh Freese. Metric may have sold bupkes, but the band made a lot of money. And isn't that what the labels care about, money?

There's a ton of money to be made. Not by driving people to the past, but living in their neighborhood and realizing, just like parallel computing, the collective consciousness is smarter than the individual. Universal Music can't beat the Pirate Bay, can't beat the public, it's IMPOSSIBLE! Universal can only try to join the fray, reinventing itself along the way.

We're not building stars, we're building careers. That's where the money has always been. Maybe right now the percentage of revenue is higher in tour grosses and merch, but don't fight this, know that gas stations used to be full serve, you sent a letter, not an e-mail, you bought an album and played it to death because you couldn't AFFORD more music! We're not going back to the days of scarcity. Stop trying to jawbone the public into the past. Stop laying your album-length opuses on people who don't care. Give us more Susan Boyles, who don't have a fake bone in their body, who own their identity, who follow their path so independently, that we follow them.

[PD]

On thing about Pirate Bay is they always thumbed their nose at the RIAA and MPAA.
even today.


http://thepiratebay.org/special/2009epicwinanyhow.php

So, the dice courts judgement is here. It was lol to read and hear, crazy verdict.

But as in all good movies, the heroes lose in the beginning but have an epic victory in the end anyhow. That's the only thing hollywood ever taught us.
and their "press conference"
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hell, they even have a political party in Sweden.
http://www.piratpartiet.se/international/english

[paulisded]

Miss Pirate Bay is cute!

[Space Edge]

Private trackers are the way to go.
It's the only way to go, the way it works is most of this stuff originates on Usenet, then it ends up on private trackers then on to public trackers like PB, Mininova, then on to other methods of p2p file sharing.

No, whatever do you mean?

Demoniod is a private tracker that also uses external public trackers. It's a glorified semi private Pirate Bay. Maybe 2 years ago the site went down and then about a year ago it appeared again out of no where with the original database still intact, old .torrents were still there peoples ratios were still the same.

[boosterp]

It's the only way to go, the way it works is most of this stuff originates on Usenet, then it ends up on private trackers then on to public trackers like PB, Mininova, then on to other methods of p2p file sharing.



Demoniod is a private tracker that also uses external public trackers. It's a glorified semi private Pirate Bay. Maybe 2 years ago the site went down and then about a year ago it appeared again out of no where with the original database still intact, old .torrents were still there peoples ratios were still the same.

Could you PM me an invite code? I thought I had a log in from a few years back but no dice.

[biggestmexi]

i've never had luck with pirate bay. never really gave me what i was looking for.

oh well. another one down the tubes. another one will pop up to replace it soon.

WHAT!? pirate bay was my number 2 and i doubt it will shutdown. its too big.

my number one being ichiban

It gave out virus's too easily and otherwise just was hard to search through, but this is just people trying to grasp their last little bit of money instead of changing their business structure.

Never once got a virus from pirate bay and i frequent it. quit getting donkey porn.

[biggestmexi]

whats yer ratio.

[boosterp]

whats yer ratio.

0.581, I should not say how much I have downloaded (legally of course) but it exceeds my age in gigs. And that is just within the past 12 months.

[SatCam]

WHAT!? pirate bay was my number 2 and i doubt it will shutdown. its too big.

no im sure it wont. After the servers were raided a few years ago they put servers in other countries. The trial was only to determine the fate of the owners/operators and not the site.

[TheMojoPin]

Never once got a virus from pirate bay and i frequent it. quit getting donkey porn.

No kidding. God only knows what he's downloading if he's actually getting the viruses. Plenty of files with viruses do show up on there, but they're pretty easy to spot scanning the files before downloading or based on the torrent comments. People call out files with viruses within hours at the most of them showing up.

[biggestmexi]

0.581, I should not say how much I have downloaded (legally of course) but it exceeds my age in gigs. And that is just within the past 12 months.

OH MY. im at 1.99 uploaded 537.87

No kidding. God only knows what he's downloading if he's actually getting the viruses. Plenty of files with viruses do show up on there, but they're pretty easy to spot scanning the files before downloading or based on the torrent comments. People call out files with viruses within hours at the most of them showing up.

thats the good thing about the "community" for the most part.

[Mikemantis]

That sux i loved pirate bay, I own more then I have downloaded lol

[Drunky McBetidont]

i am out of step. i just learned about torrent sites last month and just got the codex to watch/listen. i was all over napster.

[biggestmexi]

i am out of step. i just learned about torrent sites last month and just got the codex to watch/listen. i was all over napster.

my expression after reading your post was like your avatar

[SatCam]

That sux i loved pirate bay, I own more then I have downloaded lol

you do realize the site isnt shutting down right? the trial really has nothing to do with the legality of the site, just the legality of owning the site

[boosterp]

you do realize the site isnt shutting down right? the trial really has nothing to do with the legality of the site, just the legality of owning the site

Also, the owners are going to continue the fight in court so it will be a while before their final fate is determined.

[PD]

idiot judge.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/163700/pirate_bay_demands_retrial_claiming_judge_was_bias ed.html

Less than a week after the Pirate Bay copyright trial ended with a guilty verdict, lawyers for the defense are calling for a retrial. Swedish radio station Sveriges Radio P3 news program revealed that Judge Tomas Norström holds close ties to pro-copyright organizations and his ruling may be considered a substantial conflict of interest. If it can be proven that Norström has a legitimate bias against the Pirate Bay Four based on his affiliations, there is a possibility the original verdict could be thrown out.

[boosterp]

idiot judge.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/163700/pirate_bay_demands_retrial_claiming_judge_was_bias ed.html

I had already stated it was politically motivated and included links. I think that was on this site.

[underdog]

It's not over yet! (http://government.zdnet.com/?p=4675)

It turns out that the judge in the case, Tomas Norstrom, might have a slight conflict of interest. He’s a member of the Swedish Copyright Association and sits on the board of Swedish Association for the Protection of Industrial Property.

[hanso]

Judge Tomas Norström should have to serve the penalties the court has handed down.

[PD]

I had already stated it was politically motivated and included links. I think that was on this site.

It's not over yet! (http://government.zdnet.com/?p=4675)

I guess I'm not the only one who didnt see it
:lol:

[hanso]

Rumor has it. The judge himself is asking for a retrail.

[boosterp]

Support for the Swedish Pirate Party surged following the Pirate Bay verdict and today it became the third largest political party in the country. When they are elected for the European Parliament next month, the party hopes to end the abuse of copyright by multi-billion dollar corporations.

Wow! Wish we could rally around something like that in this country.

“The Pirate Bay verdict was not a single event, but the final straw in a long series of events,” Falkvinge replied. “We tripled our member count in a week, and have kept growing at an accelerated pace. With just one month till the European elections, the timing of these horrible events arguably work as a catalyst for change.”

Linky (http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-3rd-largest-political-party-in-sweden-090506/)

[TheMojoPin]

Wow! Wish we could rally around something like that in this country.

So you'd prefer it if we had a parliamentary system?

[underdog]

So you'd prefer it if we had a parliamentary system?

Really just the wigs.

[boosterp]

So you'd prefer it if we had a parliamentary system?

Not the political system, just the ability to motivate groups of people to really get behind something instead of blindly following an ideology (in reality the masses are ignorant to the philosophies) such as a particular political.

[TheMojoPin]

Not the political system, just the ability to motivate groups of people to really get behind something instead of blindly following an ideology (in reality the masses are ignorant to the philosophies) such as a particular political.

Understandable, but that's only happening over there due to them having a parliamentary system.

[boosterp]

Understandable, but that's only happening over there due to them having a parliamentary system.

And where my argument is a bit flawed. But, none the less using our political system as the central idea of this argument; I could envision how with enough motivated people one could have an active 3rd party movement with enough leverage to get policies changed or new ideas moving forward. Ideally one would need 30% or more of the population, but it could be done.

[TheMojoPin]

And where my argument is a bit flawed. But, none the less using our political system as the central idea of this argument; I could envision how with enough motivated people one could have an active 3rd party movement with enough leverage to get policies changed or new ideas moving forward. Ideally one would need 30% or more of the population, but it could be done.

It really can't. You look throughout our history there's just been two major parties dominating the national scene. Who those parties are has changed several times, but it's always a big two. When you get a third party movement, the primary issues of that third party are just co-opted by one of the big two once they hit the national level.

[MadMatt]

To jump into the discussion without multi-quoting like a fiend, the answer is moving to elections based on Proportional Representation. And you don't have to have a Parliamentary Government for it to work - any Democracy (even ours), can work with Proportional Representation, although thus far only Parliamentary Governments are using it (I think).

Although the Republicans and Democrats are entrenched and would probably continue to gain the majority of votes, moving to Proportional Representation would allow other parties to gain a foothold and probably lead to greater participation by the general population. If people know their particular "voice" has a better chance of being heard they are more than likely going to be more interested in participating. Right now there are millions of people that feel disenfranchised by the 2 party system we have.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

i've missed you matt. i hope you kicked bobby's ass and stay!

[CofyCrakCocaine]

If we had three powerful political parties in one country, chances are strong for Civil War.

2's enough.

[TripleSkeet]

Very cool read. Doesnt matter. The days of me paying for stuff like comic books and cd's are over. Same with paying to see movies Im only mildly interested to see.

I still buy dvd's if I want a movie simply because I like the packaging, special features etc.

If movie companies were smart, THATS where theyd devote their time. Making dvd's with some many cool additions people would rather buy them then just download and burn a movie.

Unlike music though, they arent losing nearly as much money from this.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I'd feel bad if downloading actually took away a SIGNIFICANT sum of money away from the band itself as opposed to drain the royalties of their makeup company.

[TheMojoPin]

The days of me paying for stuff like comic books and cd's are over.

Well that's ridiculous.

[TripleSkeet]

Well that's ridiculous.

I dont pay for stuff when I can get it for free. Especially music. After the years and years of raping us on the prices of tapes and cd's, I dont feel bad even a little bit. Anyone that pays for music they can download for free is a sucker. But hey, thats just my opinion.

[Space Edge]

I'm sure you will be singing a different tune when the RIAA hits you with a lawsuit because your downloading stuff from public trackers.

[biggestmexi]

I'm sure you will be singing a different tune when the RIAA hits you with a lawsuit because your downloading stuff from public trackers.

yeah its sucks. in my 6+ years of dl music i finally got a letter.

wait nope just another credit card.



On another note. Check this.

Lawyer in Pirate Bay case facing 'DDo$' attack
High bank fees and a considerable amount of extra bookkeeping work. That's the potential burden facing Peter Danowsky, one of the plaintiffs' lawyers in the landmark Pirate Bay case, due to a scheme to deplete his law firm's bank account.

Danowsky represented the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry and several record companies in the trial, and he now seems to be the target of some kind of revenge plan.

The plan surfaced on the Web site internetavgift.se recently and has already been dubbed "DDo$" for Distributed Denial of Dollars. That's a reference to distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks, which deluge a Web server with simultaneous requests from multiple computers.

In this case, Danowsky's law firm's account at the Nordea bank is being targeted. The site internetavgift.se--it's unclear who runs it--is challenging people to send 1 Swedish krona (about 13 cents) to the account. The site instructs participants to cite "purchase of media" as a payment reference, and the plan is making its way around Twitter and blogs.

The scheme may turn out to be expensive for Danowsky's firm--or at least that's what the tricksters hope. According to the bank's rules (PDF in Swedish) companies can receive up to 1,000 payments a year for free. Further incoming payments will be charged 1.70 kronor (about 21 cents) each.

However, according to the law, each transaction, free or not, has to be entered in the law firm's books, which implies a lot of manpower.

In addition, Danowsky theoretically might end up having to refund every single payment. According to internetavgift.se, Swedish law requires the immediate refund of payments that have been made inaccurately, which each person having sent money can later claim. The site suggests that participants go that route, presumably to create even more work for Danowsky's firm.

The Web site also points out that the money has nothing to do with the $3.8 million in damages the four defendants have been sentenced to pay. It says instead that it's a new fee to be paid by anyone who uses the Internet--"internetavgift" means Internet fee, though no such fee exists.

Probably not coincidentally, the design of the internetavgift.se Web site copies that of Radiotjanst, a company responsible for collecting licensing fees for Swedish state-owned television. Radiotjanst was not a party in the Pirate Bay litigation.

Though it is unknown who is behind the so-called DDo$, the domain name internetavgift.se is registered by "svarth3024-00001" suggesting that one of the four defendants sentenced, Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, might be responsible.

It's not clear how many people, if any, have followed the instructions and sent money to the firm.

Meanwhile, Swedish authorities are now moving to collect the damages from the four defendants. The sentence has been appealed by all four defendants but until the Swedish High Court of Justice has made its decision, the damages are to be paid.

"We will start to look for assets on Wednesday if no money has been paid by then. Money in a bank account is an asset, and if we find it we will seize it," Fredrik Karlsson, a team leader at the enforcement authority Kronofogdemyndigheten, told Swedish daily Dagens Nyheter.

According to the newspaper, defendant Peter Sunde, spokesman for The Pirate Bay, has already put his payment form for damages in the shredder, saying "I don't have this money."

The only defendant who seems to have any considerable assets is Carl Lundström, who has offered technical services and infrastructure to The Pirate Bay. According to Per E. Samuelsson, Lundström's defense lawyer, he might end up having to pay the whole amount as the damages are to be paid in "solidarity."

[TheMojoPin]

I dont pay for stuff when I can get it for free. Especially music. After the years and years of raping us on the prices of tapes and cd's, I dont feel bad even a little bit. Anyone that pays for music they can download for free is a sucker. But hey, thats just my opinion.

Thanks to the internet it's easier now than ever before to find CD's for cheap. Acting like you have no choice but to pay crazy high prices doesn't really fly.

[Contra]

Cheap isn't free, I think you're "doesn't get the bit" guy on this one.

[TheMojoPin]

Cheap isn't free, I think you're "doesn't get the bit" guy on this one.

I get it just fine. He's essentially saying that his only options are paying ridiculous prices for music or getting it free. That's not the case. If people just want free music, fine, but to try and and justify it by bringing up CD prices like they have no choice but to pay $15 or more really is just making an excuse to not pay for CD's.

[Contra]

Can you tell me these "cheap new CD" sites?

I've just never seen one (not that I've looked, that's why I'm asking).

[TheMojoPin]

Can you tell me these "cheap new CD" sites?

I've just never seen one (not that I've looked, that's why I'm asking).

I prefer Gemm.com just because it also lets you buy from smaller chains or independent stores. That said, I buy new CD's from Amazon all the time. They're typically around $9.99 or less if you pre-order them or get them shortly after they come out, plus shipping is free if your order ends up being $25 or more. DeepDiscount.com usually has the same type of prices if bought early enough, and they always ship free. You buy from Target or BestBuy online when the CD's are new or during sales and it's really cheap. Plus there's always the MP3 stores. Like I said, this really isn't anything out of the way.

[Contra]

Ok now show me the sites where I can buy ONE CD and the S&H doesn't put it at the same price or higher then just buying a CD at best buy.

[TheMojoPin]

Ok now show me the sites where I can buy ONE CD and the S&H doesn't put it at the same price or higher then just buying a CD at best buy.

DeepDiscount, depending on the CD.

Besides, the shipping cost of 1 CD isn't some kind of drastic difference from the sales tax and stuff like the cost of gas to go and buy the CD at a local store. We're really splitting hairs here if we're talking about shipping costs.

Plus if someone really wants to download it, they can usually find an album from the MP3 sites for cheap.

[TripleSkeet]

I get it just fine. He's essentially saying that his only options are paying ridiculous prices for music or getting it free. That's not the case. If people just want free music, fine, but to try and and justify it by bringing up CD prices like they have no choice but to pay $15 or more really is just making an excuse to not pay for CD's.

Actually thats not what I meant. What I meant was that for years they gouged me on prices for tapes and CD's when I had no other recourse. So now I am making that money back by no longer paying for music. Im figuring we'll be even probably never.

Plus there is the fact that yea, I dont like paying for stuff if I dont have to.

[TheMojoPin]

So you just don't want to pay, period.

Honestly, it's been easy to find music cheap online for, what, at least a decade now? Nobody's really HAD to pay ridiculous prics for CD's for a long time.

[Space Edge]

Actually thats not what I meant. What I meant was that for years they gouged me on prices for tapes and CD's when I had no other recourse. So now I am making that money back by no longer paying for music. Im figuring we'll be even probably never.

Plus there is the fact that yea, I dont like paying for stuff if I dont have to.

Do you take any steps to protect your "online footprints" when you download stuff illegally ? You are pretty open about the fact you do it and if your not taking precautions to hide your downloading habits I wouldn't be surprised if you end up getting hit with a lawsuit.

[TripleSkeet]

Do you take any steps to protect your "online footprints" when you download stuff illegally ? You are pretty open about the fact you do it and if your not taking precautions to hide your downloading habits I wouldn't be surprised if you end up getting hit with a lawsuit.

Well once I download it I take it out of my shared file and move it to my music. So nobody is downloading anything from me. But thats about it. Im not really worried about it. Its not like I download alot of music much anymore. Just randomly here and there.

Right now my thing is downloading movies, then I watch them and delete them. But thats on a private torrent site anyway.

[biggestmexi]

So you just don't want to pay, period.

Honestly, it's been easy to find music cheap online for, what, at least a decade now? Nobody's really HAD to pay ridiculous prics for CD's for a long time.

my music collection is more than likely over a $100 easily.

miles davis discography, rob zombie discography and various other artists.

[TooLowBrow]

my music collection is more than likely over a $100 easily.


wow!

you must have like 7 cds!

[biggestmexi]

wow!

you must have like 7 cds!

but he says music is cheap.

miles davis is over 7gb alone.


music folder is 25+gb so you do that math

[underdog]

music folder is 25+gb so you do that math

My laptop is only 60gb and 41gb of it is music.

I probably have nearly 100gb of music on my external HD, as well. I can't imagine if I actually paid for it all.

[TheMojoPin]

Nowhere did I talk about paying for everything. I have a gigantic physical musical collection and despite that I've still downloaded albums that I simply don't have the money to get. I'm talking about when people say they're not paying for ANY music. That's just a cop-out.

[TheMojoPin]

my music collection is more than likely over a $100 easily.

miles davis discography, rob zombie discography and various other artists.

Oh, man, you might have had to pay $100 for a few dozen CD's?

You poor guy!

[biggestmexi]

Oh, man, you might have had to pay $100 for a few dozen CD's?

Your poor guy!

if i only had a few dozen.

like i said i have 25gb of music.

And who is my guy?

[TheMojoPin]

Y'know, that little guy.

And I'm just going on your figures. You're the one that said at least $100. Maybe you left off some 0's?

Do you pay for any music?

[biggestmexi]

Y'know, that little guy.

And I'm just going on your figures. You're the one that said at least $100. Maybe you left off some 0's?

Do you pay for any music?

yes i do. $40 dollars a month for unlimited music.:happy:

i also have XM.

[TheMojoPin]

Well there you go.

[furie]

Swedish Citizens Vote Pirates into European Parliament (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=15353)

[boosterp]

I saw that and think it's fantastic. 7.1% of the vote, wow.

[furie]

well, when you have a 12 party system, 7% means something

[boosterp]

well, when you have a 12 party system, 7% means something

I agree, there was no sarcasm intended. I am a big proponent of the anti-DRM movement, etc.

[TripleSkeet]

yes i do. $40 dollars a month for unlimited music.:happy:

i also have XM.

Well there you go.

Hey! That counts? Well then Im all good. I pay for my XM and my wifes Sirius. So there ya go. Now Im all good to go download some more.