David Bowie or Mick Jagger

[hedges]

Who of these geriatric rockers can still rock the best? What ya got?

[A.J.]

Jagger stopped rocking around 1975.

[Snoogans]

arent they an item anyway?

[grlNIN]

Jagger is a showman, Bowie is a musician.

Bowie wins.

[BlackSpider]

Jagger is a showman, Bowie is a musician.

Bowie wins.

Yup...

[MacVittie]

Jagger is a showman, Bowie is a musician.

And rock is about putting on a great show. Mick wins.

[BlackSpider]

Um,
Bowie is a better showman also.
He does more than gymnastics and running in place...

[TheMojoPin]

And rock is about putting on a great show. Mick wins.

Then Bowie wins for the Ziggy Stardust stuff alone. Jagger's just been doing the same prancing routine for almost 50 years.

[Snoogans]

i vote Bowie based on the fact that he is the one who is actually good.

Mick Jagger sucks

[Dougie Brootal]

mick jagger sucks.

[grlNIN]

And rock is about putting on a great show. Mick wins.

Jagger is more about the appearance of rock, he is most determined to put on an act for the audience than evolve as a musiscian.

Sure most of Bowie's stage presence was based off of an illusion of appearance or acts but he is one of the most quintessential artists of all time. He has changed and grown during his career in ways i don't think i've ever seen from another artist.

Again, Bowie wins.

[Stankfoot]

Bowie "rocks the hardest"?
Please
Mick at least has rocked.

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[hedges]

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[razorboy]

Yeah, Bowie never rocked. Whatever.

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Mick was to busy trying to blow Bowie to rock as hard as The Thin White Duke.

[Death Metal Moe]

I say Bowie just because he's gone through more changes. He's done more things with his career and been successful with most of it.

Mick is awesome in his own right but I just feel Bowie is a more versatile, varied, talented musician.

[MacVittie]

you're all a bunch of hipsters

[drjoek]

Didn't Mick pee in Bowies butt?

PIMB write in

[GameRelatedSig]

Plus, only one of those two has a Flight of the Conchords song about them.

[DarkHippie]

Since Mick helped create Rock, anything he does rocks harder by default.

Rock can be defined as "how close are to you to Mick Jagger"

[razorboy]

Since Mick helped create Rock, anything he does rocks harder by default.

Huh? If anything, The Stones were the followers of a particular genre (R&B/Blues) and Bowie was the innovator/pioneer.

[Death Metal Moe]

Since Mick helped create Rock, anything he does rocks harder by default.

Rock can be defined as "how close are to you to Mick Jagger"

"Scuse me, but what the fuck ya talkin' bout?"

http://modernmask.org/issue_iv/images/johnson1.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

Since Mick helped create Rock

You should be tried and tossed in jail for this.

[Death Metal Moe]

You should be tried and tossed in jail for this.

Then why even try him? Skip the sham trial and throw him in the clink.

[DarkHippie]

You should be tried and tossed in jail for this.

I am right. Rock and Roll can be defined as a hybrid of blues and country, with a syncopated rhythm (back beat), but not limited to the 12, 8, or 16 bar blues format.

The Rolling Stones helped solidify the sound. They took what Chuck Berry, Scotty Moore, and Ike Turner started and expanded on it, giving it a great breadth and depth than previous musicians.

[Drunky McBetidont]

i thought this would be a who would you rather bang? thread

[DarkHippie]

"Scuse me, but what the fuck ya talkin' bout?"

http://modernmask.org/issue_iv/images/johnson1.jpg

The fact that so many rockers claim they idolize robert johnson baffles me, since they sound nothing like him. He was a slide guitarist on an acoustic guitar. He used 5/6 comping and chordal licks to compensate for his lack of a backing band. No one uses his licks. No one even plays acoustic guitar anymore :(

[DarkHippie]

Huh? If anything, The Stones were the followers of a particular genre (R&B/Blues) and Bowie was the innovator/pioneer.

Disagree. Rolling Stones have some blues songs, and they have some songs that could vaguely be called R & B, but their music is neither.

[TheMojoPin]

Rock had been created just fine well before the Stones showed up.

[Death Metal Moe]

The fact that so many rockers claim they idolize robert johnson baffles me, since they sound nothing like him. He was a slide guitarist on an acoustic guitar. He used 5/6 comping and chordal licks to compensate for his lack of a backing band. No one uses his licks. No one even plays acoustic guitar anymore :(

I'm just sick of Whitey stealing from The Black Man.

But seriously, the Stone, although good, didn't create anything.

[DarkHippie]

Rock had been created just fine well before the Stones showed up.

And there was country music before Hank williams. But just like Hank, the Stones were the ones that define that sound. Their sound is the sound that later rock musicians took their cues from. Keith's guitar work is much more percussive that R & B or Blues. Blues melodies come from creating tension and resolution by shifting between major, minor, and mixolydian scales. Most of the Stones music is in one scale (usually minor scale over major chords) rather than shifting between scales.

Here are some articles that I have written on the subject:

http://blues-music.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_origin_of_the_blues

http://blues-music.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_blues_comp_and_the_riff

http://music-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/early_days_of_the_blues

http://guitar.suite101.com/article.cfm/how_to_use_the_blue_notes_for_guitar

http://guitar.suite101.com/article.cfm/free_guitar_lesson_the_complete_blues_scale

[Drunky McBetidont]

so, which one would you bang? if you had to, you know, nazis and stuff.

[KnoxHarrington]

Here's the thing: Bowie's last few records don't really stack up to his best old stuff, but they are still fairly strong albums on which he's trying new stuff.

The past few Rolling Stones records were total rehashes, providing the thin pretext for yet another tour.

[DarkHippie]

Here's the thing: Bowie's last few records don't really stack up to his best old stuff, but they are still fairly strong albums on which he's trying new stuff.

The past few Rolling Stones records were total rehashes, providing the thin pretext for yet another tour.

QFT! The stones havent done anything worthwhile in 20 years at least. Bowie continues to push the boundaries of music. I am not so sure how "Rock" Bowie is though. There's alot of other influences in his music as well.

[grlNIN]

Disagree. Rolling Stones have some blues songs, and they have some songs that could vaguely be called R & B, but their music is neither.

Are you shitting?

All the Stones were when they came out were a British blues band, that's how they started and met, at blues clubs in London.

I love The Stones, they are in my top 5 bands of all time but they didn't invent rock and they didn't change it much in any way really. If anything, i would venture as much to say that they were the founders of cock-rock.


*Plus Jagger was going to some accountant or something, he went to school for Economics, nothing rock about that.

[TheMojoPin]

The Stones even just compared to alot of the other British bands alone did so little to "change" the sound of rock, either when they first showed up or as their careers went on. They were VERY good at what they did, but basically all they did was muscle up 50's rock and blues and then nothing else. They just happened to break before bands like the Animals, the Kinks and the Who did.

[hedges]

No one uses his licks. No one even plays acoustic guitar anymore :(

John Mooney
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John Hammond Jr.
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[yojimbo7248]

Stones's Beggar's Banquet, Sticky Fingers, and Exile are the three of the greatest rock albums of all time. I still had to put Bowie.

For someone who really rocks, why no mention of Iggy if you include Bowie?

Of course, Lemmy rocks harder than all of them combined but he seems kind of out of the type of rock you are writing about.

[hedges]

For someone who really rocks, why no mention of Iggy if you include Bowie?

Of course, Lemmy rocks harder than all of them combined but he seems kind of out of the type of rock you are writing about.

It just started out as a comparison between Bowie and Jagger. And you're right Lemmy does rock harder then all of them combined.

[DarkHippie]

The Stones even just compared to alot of the other British bands alone did so little to "change" the sound of rock, either when they first showed up or as their careers went on. They were VERY good at what they did, but basically all they did was muscle up 50's rock and blues and then nothing else. They just happened to break before bands like the Animals, the Kinks and the Who did.

That just the point, they didnt change rock. They solidified the sound that people now associate with rock.

This off it this way: If chuck berry and ike turner were the rough draft, the stones were the final draft, the final copy. Bands that came after that were variations, expansions on what the stones had already done (which in turn was an expanison of 50's rock, combined with the blues that had come over from america)

[DarkHippie]

Are you shitting?

All the Stones were when they came out were a British blues band, that's how they started and met, at blues clubs in London.



Yes, that's how they started. And the Beatles started as a skiffle band. Neither of them ended up that way.

[DarkHippie]

John Mooney
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John Hammond Jr.
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They're both in their 60s. and they are awesome, though neither can hold a candle to yorma

[grlNIN]

Yes, that's how they started. And the Beatles started as a skiffle band. Neither of them ended up that way.

Yeah, the Beatles evolved.

[TheMojoPin]

That just the point, they didnt change rock. They solidified the sound that people now associate with rock.

This off it this way: If chuck berry and ike turner were the rough draft, the stones were the final draft, the final copy. Bands that came after that were variations, expansions on what the stones had already done (which in turn was an expanison of 50's rock, combined with the blues that had come over from america)

I don't hear that at all. I hear what the Stones "made" as a very finite strain of rock. They surely inspired a ton of bands stylistically and in spirit, but in terms of actual musical influence it's pretty much a dead end. There's only so much you can do just reshaping and "solidifying" pre-existing music. Bowie is much more an extension of the Beatles, wtih his experimntation and continual evolutions. Other bands took the same music that inpired the Stones and made it into so much more. The Stones' identity was pretty mcuh set from day 1 and barely changed.

[DarkHippie]

Yeah, the Beatles evolved.

Listen to Early Stones, then Stones around Exile on Mainstreet.

[TheMojoPin]

Listen to Early Stones, then Stones around Exile on Mainstreet.

It's just a variation of the same thing. Better production, bigger budgets and better with the instruments, but it's still the same Stones.

[grlNIN]

Already have, kthx.

[DarkHippie]

I don't hear that at all. I hear what the Stones "made" as a very finite strain of rock. They surely inspired a ton of bands stylistically and in spirit, but in terms of actual musical influence it's pretty much a dead end. There's only so much you can do just reshaping and "solidifying" pre-existing music. Bowie is much more an extension of the Beatles, wtih his experimntation and continual evolutions. Other bands took the same music that inpired the Stones and made it into so much more. The Stones' identity was pretty mcuh set from day 1 and barely changed.

i agree with you. I never said that they were groundbreaking (although there is some distinct evolution in their music: how could their not be when they keep changing band members? However, the question is who "rocks" harder, not who's more innovative or creative. When it comes to sheer power of rock, Stones win over Bowie.

[Death Metal Moe]

The poll says it all.

[DarkHippie]

It's just a variation of the same thing. Better production, bigger budgets and better with the instruments, but it's still the same Stones.

By this time, Keith Richards was using an Open D tuning rather than standard tuning. Bandmates changing all over the place. I hear distinct differences in the sound.

[DarkHippie]

Already have, kthx.

then you know what I'm talking about.

[grlNIN]

I know what i have previously stated.

Bowie wins.

[DarkHippie]

I know what i have previously stated.

Bowie wins.

Ok, I think we are arguing about two different things here.

I thought we were arguing about whether the Stones evolved over time. I say that they did, though not as dramatically as some other bands.

Back to the subject, why do you think Bowie rocks harder?

[TheMojoPin]

By this time, Keith Richards was using an Open D tuning rather than standard tuning. Bandmates changing all over the place. I hear distinct differences in the sound.

I hate these cats, but I couldn't find any good pics on Google of people passed out that didn't involve them being naked and/or raped:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/vrillusions/cats/kitty-bored-go-sleep.jpg

[DarkHippie]

I hate these cats, but I couldn't find any good pics on Google of people passed out that didn't involve them being naked and/or raped:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/vrillusions/cats/kitty-bored-go-sleep.jpg

It does seem like we are going around in circles.

Why do you think Bowie rocks harder?

[hedges]

They're both in their 60s. and they are awesome, though neither can hold a candle to yorma

John Mooney isn't in his sixties, but that aside, I think it is unfair to compare Mooney and Hammond to Jorma. They have different styles completely. Jorma has a fingerstyle method similar to Rev. Gary Davis, while Mooney studied under Son House and Hammond plays has lots of Robert Johnson songs in his repetoire.

[hammersavage]

No one can sit with Bing Crosby and belt out some jams and not rock.

[DarkHippie]

John Mooney isn't in his sixties, but that aside, I think it is unfair to compare Mooney and Hammond to Jorma. They have different styles completely. Jorma has a fingerstyle method similar to Rev. Gary Davis, while Mooney studied under Son House and Hammond plays has lots of Robert Johnson songs in his repetoire.

Well, John Hammond's father was a very famous record producer, so he was exposed to a lot of different music. Traditional country blues is played finger style though, and slide guitar is only played finger style. anyone who plays it with a pick is gonna get some weird ass harmonics.

Yorma is probably the last great Piedmont Blues guitarist (beside me ;) )

[Drunky McBetidont]

It does seem like we are going around in circles.

Why do you think Bowie rocks harder?

bowie rocks harder because he has two different colored eyes and basiccaly fangs for teeth.

he is a fucking huskie


http://www.mychemicaltoilet.com/mrbowie.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

bowie rocks harder because he has two different colored eyes and basiccaly fangs for teeth.

http://www.mychemicaltoilet.com/mrbowie.jpg

Bingo.

[DarkHippie]

bowie rocks harder because he has two different colored eyes and basiccaly fangs for teeth.

he is a fucking huskie


http://www.mychemicaltoilet.com/mrbowie.jpg

Mick Jagger fucked Mackensie Philips the day after she turned 18, saying "i've ben waiting a long time for this"

And Bowie loses points for playing the Goblin King in Labrynth. Although his unit was impressive. My ex had a poster of the movie over her bed, and when i would fuck her my face would go right near his junk with each thrust.

no homo

[grlNIN]

It does seem like we are going around in circles.

Why do you think Bowie rocks harder?

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9158/danviemagivdsv.jpg

ENOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheMojoPin]

He is also the Sovereign of the Guild of Calamitous Inent.

[hedges]

Nice.:thumbup:

[DarkHippie]

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9158/danviemagivdsv.jpg



I'm sorry, but no englishman is hung like that