View Full Version : Can we all admit that SiriusXM is a garbage company?
I love the buddays, and enjoy listening to them everyday, and for that, I owe Sirius a little support, but this article does a pretty good job explaining how out-of-touch and behind everything Sirius is as a company
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2009/tc20090327_877363.htm?site=cbs
It's really amazing how far behind in technology they are compared to upstarts marketing similar entertainment.
But what really gets me is this how this MLB app for iPhone exposes what gigantic fools Mel Karmazin and Hugh Panero were when they signed content deals.
MLB is offering gameday audio for every game if you buy their app for $10 on the iPhone, with video and stats extras included.
In light of this, why the hell would any MLB fan pay anywhere from $30-$200 for a unit, then $12 per month for the same thing (nevermind that the audio feeds on SiriusXM are worse quality).
They signed a 10yr/$650 million contract for the rights to broadcast in an inferior format.
The business model for the company is so broke it's ridiculous. They need a serious overhaul of their entire plan. Bankruptcy would be the best thing for them at this point. It'd allow them to renegotiate deals and reorganize their product.
CuntagiousChris
03-31-2009, 01:50 PM
You just dont understand the business lets get Matty in here so he can set everyone straight lol
Death Metal Moe
03-31-2009, 01:51 PM
I can really get behind a company that promised no rate changes while trying to get approval for their merger, then did just that by charging more for extra subs on an account and a charge for online listening.
A very good idea, especially in trying ecinomic times where it just MAY come down to "I can get a tank of gas of this satellite sub. I think I'll drive instead."
And has anyone noticed the AWESOME quality of the "New, Improved" internet feed? I can acually hear little pops and slight skips when I happen to tune in the 90's or 80's music channels.
Fuck you Sirius.
Death Metal Moe
03-31-2009, 01:51 PM
You just dont understand the business lets get Matty in here so he can set everyone straight lol
Now you're asking for it and calling him out. I'd advise you change your tune.
CuntagiousChris
03-31-2009, 01:53 PM
Now you're asking for it and calling him out. I'd advise you change your tune.
lol ok sure:nono:
Death Metal Moe
03-31-2009, 01:56 PM
lol ok sure:nono:
Hey, I'm no one special around here, just letting you know you're the one starting the problem this time and you're not going to be happy how it turns out if you get him going.
It was over, you brought it up. You brought his name up.
Hater! If you don't like it flush your Sirius/XM down the toilet, asshole!!!
In case you didn't notice, Ron and Fez are on Sirius/XM and this is a fan site!
I hope you expect to get flamed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don Stugots
03-31-2009, 01:58 PM
KC, it almost seems like they do not know the market place anymore.
Hottub
03-31-2009, 02:00 PM
You just dont understand the business lets get Matty in here so he can set everyone straight lol
Was that really necessary? Get over it.
CuntagiousChris
03-31-2009, 02:04 PM
Hey, I'm no one special around here, just letting you know you're the one starting the problem this time and you're not going to be happy how it turns out if you get him going.
It was over, you brought it up. You brought his name up.
You'd be suprised im a big boy and im pretty sure i can handle myself on a message board. So thanks for the advice but ill bring that dick up anytime i want.
Death Metal Moe
03-31-2009, 02:06 PM
You'd be suprised im a big boy and im pretty sure i can handle myself on a message board. So thanks for the advice but ill bring that dick up anytime i want.
Looking forward to you breaking 100 posts with that attitude.
Welcome. Thanks for being a productive part of the Ronfez.net community.
Don Stugots
03-31-2009, 02:06 PM
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Death Metal Moe
03-31-2009, 02:06 PM
To answer Don:
Apparently not.
CuntagiousChris
03-31-2009, 02:07 PM
http://hiphop.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/rodnet.jpg
No i dont think so
Don Stugots
03-31-2009, 02:07 PM
oh. carry on then.
SatCam
03-31-2009, 02:08 PM
Was that really necessary? Get over it.
Well he did say "lol"
Death Metal Moe
03-31-2009, 02:09 PM
Let's get back on track here, yall.
CuntagiousChris
03-31-2009, 02:11 PM
Let's get back on track here, yall.
i agree sorry for the disturbance but yeah Sirius XM is shit but its the only place i can hear my big ass buddays
Dougie Brootal
03-31-2009, 02:11 PM
sirius sucks a thick dick.
Don Stugots
03-31-2009, 02:11 PM
i agree sorry for the disturbance but yeah Sirius XM is shit but its the only place i can hear my big ass buddays
now he is calling Fezfez fat. Mister, them there are fighting words!
Death Metal Moe
03-31-2009, 02:13 PM
now he is calling Fezfez fat. Mister, them there are fighting words!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/njdmmoe/ESDBomb.jpg
CuntagiousChris
03-31-2009, 02:14 PM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/njdmmoe/ESDBomb.jpg
nice
KC, it almost seems like they do not know the market place anymore.
The contracts fucked them up big time.
Based on what they pay in their operations right now, between talent and tech, the service is STILL under-priced, despite the increases and cost-cutting they've already done. They grossly over-estimated what an acceptable price would be for this content when they signed the deals.
There's no way out for them except bankruptcy. They have to renegotiate those contracts.
Of course, the people in charge will do everything to avoid that because Mel & friends would get the boot at that point, and they want to save their jobs (and their thousands upon thousands of shares of near worthless stock).
And then there's just no ingenuity in marketing the product at all. Still no iPhone app...no attempts to intergrate into anything else (didn't they even kill the DirectTV integration they used to have?)
Selling media related stuff is all about how many different devices you can cram your programming into, in today's market. Look at Netflix.
Drunky McBetidont
03-31-2009, 02:25 PM
they need to get some of that sweet obama $.
get paid, bitches.
Hater! If you don't like it flush your Sirius/XM down the toilet, asshole!!!
In case you didn't notice, Ron and Fez are on Sirius/XM and this is a fan site!
I hope you expect to get flamed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I tried to flush my MyFi years ago, but it wouldn't go down! Bastards!
If only I had videotaped that disaster and put it on YouTube. That might have taught those fat-cats a lesson.
DiabloSammich
03-31-2009, 02:54 PM
I tried to flush my MyFi years ago, but it wouldn't go down! Bastards!
If only I had videotaped that disaster and put it on YouTube. That might have taught those fat-cats a lesson.
So your toilet can handle one of those massive Wisconsin-cheese mega-shits you roll out but couldn't handle a MyFi?
Are you telling us the whole story?
Jeffdc5
03-31-2009, 03:17 PM
there is no reason for siriusxm to be in trouble they just have that ol radio mind. in todays market its all about eyeballs and getting everybody to use your product. Look at google they have their own cell phone operating system, but they make apps for every other operation system. They just want as many people they can get using their shit. siriusxm should have had an app the day iphone 2.0 came out, aol radio was out and even O&A plugged it. apple has sold 30 million iphones and ipod touches there's no reason why this app isnt out
STC-Dub
03-31-2009, 03:26 PM
The big contracts are a problem, almost as big is what would happen to the subscribers numbers if they lost some of the talent. Getting Opra or Howie's contract off the books would be great but how many subscribers would they lose -- just using them as examples because of their contracts. I know if Ron and Fez were off XM/Sirius I would be done.
The big contracts are a problem, almost as big is what would happen to the subscribers numbers if they lost some of the talent. Getting Opra or Howie's contract off the books would be great but how many subscribers would they lose -- just using them as examples because of their contracts. I know if Ron and Fez were off XM/Sirius I would be done.
Really, they could afford lower subscriber numbers in exchange for some of the contracts.
Like the article said; Stern brought in subscribers, but if you do the math, it's not worth it.
Music programming is almost valueless at this point, because music is so accessible anywhere for free. Like I've said many times, SiriusXM's music channels should basically be commercial free playlists programmed by college kids who they pay 10 bucks an hour and a bag of weed to do it.
Their music programming should be viewed as a convenience, not a selling point.
The sports contracts could easily be re-negotiated if they went to bankruptcy.
And as far as talk goes, O&A and R&F aren't the problem. They don't make ridiculous salaries. They should have never signed Oprah, Martha, or Stern.
The math didn't add up. If not signing Stern meant two million, even three million less subscribers, it'd still have been worth it to NOT do it.
He didn't pay for himself.
But the bottom line in all of this is that SiriusXM needed to think outside of its own radio units and they never did that. They should have integrated with anything they could get their hands on; DTV, Apple, Comcast, different cell phone companies, existing radio manufacturers, Tivo, existing video game console makers...
They just stuck to their stupid units.
Now it's almost too late
NickyL0885
03-31-2009, 04:30 PM
They need to just get rid of the people who do nothing for the company and have brought no new people in(Oprah, Martha etc.) I'm also tired of this bashing Howard for his contract. Its not his fault Sirius offered him that contract. And who says hes done after its up? I think he will he re-signed. I like satellite radio and enjoy the music stations but I got it for Howard and will cancel if he leaves. I know people like to say if he leaves, satellite will be fine but I'm starting to think the people who say that are anti-stern to begin with.
brettmojo
03-31-2009, 04:31 PM
If they could get their shit together and offer Nascar, MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, college etc. etc. etc. all the sports on one piece of equipment they could really take a big step forward.
They need to just get rid of the people who do nothing for the company and have brought no new people in(Oprah, Martha etc.) I'm also tired of this bashing Howard for his contract. Its not his fault Sirius offered him that contract. And who says hes done after its up? I think he will he re-signed. I like satellite radio and enjoy the music stations but I got it for Howard and will cancel if he leaves. I know people like to say if he leaves, satellite will be fine but I'm starting to think the people who say that are anti-stern to begin with.
First off, Howard's not their biggest contractual problem.
It's the sports deals. They grossly overpaid.
But they did drastically overpay Howard. That's just in the numbers. If they lose every guy like you who got the platform for Howard, but it also meant that 500 million is no longer on their books, they'd be better off fiscally.
It's not his fault. He just took what they gave him. But what they gave him made absolutely no sense.
IMSlacker
03-31-2009, 04:50 PM
First off, Howard's not their biggest contractual problem.
It's the sports deals. They grossly overpaid.
But they did drastically overpay Howard. That's just in the numbers. If they lose every guy like you who got the platform for Howard, but it also meant that 500 million is no longer on their books, they'd be better off fiscally.
It's not his fault. He just took what they gave him. But what they gave him made absolutely no sense.
If Howard brought in 2 million subs, and say they're bringing in $10/month/sub on average, that's $240 million/year. Why does that deal not make sense?
If Howard brought in 2 million subs, and say they're bringing in $10/month/sub on average, that's $240 million/year. Why does that deal not make sense?
Because the calculation with Stern wasn't just that he paid for his contract.
He was suppose to make satellite radio a profitable (at least according to Mel) enterprise.
Which would mean the cost of his contract + the difference in the debt accrued from their operating costs on a quarterly basis (assuming all other talent pays for itself)
And to my knowledge, not only has satellite never turned a profit, but their debt grows exponentially pretty much every quarter.
So if Howard has done nothing to shrink the company's debt, that would imply the money they invested in him to make their company profitable could have most likely been spent in other ways to potentially help.
Again, that's not necessarily his fault. Just a horrible miscalculation by the company.
Tallman388
03-31-2009, 05:06 PM
If Howard brought in 2 million subs, and say they're bringing in $10/month/sub on average, that's $240 million/year. Why does that deal not make sense?
Now take out of that $240 Million the cost of operating the satellites, advertising, etc. basically all of the overhead related to operating and it takes that $240 Million down a LOT. If they had jumped on the app bandwagon quicker they'd still be in bad shape, but much better shape than they are now.
underdog
03-31-2009, 05:16 PM
The problem is the music. Sirius's music channels are fucking horrible. The play "Wish You Were Here" on Deep Tracks. DEEP TRACKS!
You basically get to hear the EXACT SAME music on their stations that you would on FREE radio. It's all radio guys running Sirius, and they're all fucking idiots.
Although, if you're a 50year old man, who probably has a few children and NO disposable income, SiriusXM is just for you! There's a Bruce Springsteen channel, two jam band channels, and two hair metal channels. Those are good markets to go after.
Jughead
03-31-2009, 05:19 PM
Yes
DonInNC
03-31-2009, 05:47 PM
Yes
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joeyballsack
03-31-2009, 07:39 PM
I just got the MLB app on my Iphone that KC was referring to and its the nail in the coffin to my XM sub.
The only thing I was keeping it for was the ability to listen to games and I can now do that cheaper and with the option to listen to home/live feeds.
I would have already cancelled my sub if I could find where the option is on my account management screen but it looks like I am going to have to call and do that so they can give me a final sales pitch.
kdubya
03-31-2009, 07:44 PM
I could give a shit about their business plan, I turn on my radio when I get in my car to dive to and from work to help pass the time, and for 3 hours from noon to three and I get some laughs. To me it is worth the price.
The inner workings, profitability and contracts they have with talent are of no consequence to me.
All I listen to is R&F, O&A, Stern, and the MLB. I could deal if Stern was gone but I would cancel if O&A or R&F were gone
drjoek
04-01-2009, 07:16 AM
If the R&F door placard is any indication of the state of the company then they are fucked
They really should start letting us choose channels a la carte. Until they do, popular channels like Classic Vinyl and XMU, not to mention 202 and even Stern, are essentially on the same level as the shitty World Music crap. If they actually knew how many people listened to R&F and O&A, I KNOW it would blow the other channels away.
However, even the music channels have really suffered since the merger. I signed up for XM over Sirius years ago for a reason.
CofyCrakCocaine
04-01-2009, 08:14 PM
Too much written for me to read. Sorry folks.
Bottom line for why Sirius sucks is that satellite radio is the retarded fuckchild of dino_electropolis. That's why he's getting married, to give Sirius a real father.
burrben
04-01-2009, 08:37 PM
And has anyone noticed the AWESOME quality of the "New, Improved" internet feed? I can acually hear little pops and slight skips when I happen to tune in the 90's or 80's music channels.
Fuck you Sirius.
for a few months now ive noticed on both online and in my car that some songs skip and pop. fucking bullshit
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