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Freitag
03-31-2009, 08:15 AM
Good job, Ford and GM... only took you THREE F'N MONTHS to follow Hyundai's lead....
Anyway, Ford is now offering a year's worth of payment protection if you lose your job. GM is planning to offer a similar plan tomorrow. Don't know what Chrysler is planning.
This swings me toward buying a car now. I was on the fence before, but now I'm a lot more interested.
I'm just wondering if this is for 2008 vehicles as well...
Read here:
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=30097
boosterp
03-31-2009, 09:42 AM
Nice!
And support Ford, they did not take our money offered by the government.
topless_mike
03-31-2009, 09:44 AM
Nice!
And support Ford, they did not take our money offered by the government.
i agree, but they still make shitty cars.
go with a honda or toyota. at least they are still american made.
Zorro
03-31-2009, 10:28 AM
Good job, Ford and GM... only took you THREE F'N MONTHS to follow Hyundai's lead....
Anyway, Ford is now offering a year's worth of payment protection if you lose your job. GM is planning to offer a similar plan tomorrow. Don't know what Chrysler is planning.
This swings me toward buying a car now. I was on the fence before, but now I'm a lot more interested.
I'm just wondering if this is for 2008 vehicles as well...
Read here:
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=30097
Getting a deal from a bankrupt company. Yup, that seems like a bright idea. What happens you lose your job they pay. GM goes under it works in reverse and you gotta kick in money to them?
Don shit on just them, the toyota dealerships down here in atlanta are now offering to pay your car payments if you lose your job.
Toyota might have a few American plants but the profit gets removed from our borders and sent back to Japan. So, don't buy Toyota. All of Ford's lineup save the Focus is pretty nice now, GM has the best midsize car out there in the new Malibu and Chrysler will apparently be bringing in Fiat cars of which there are quite a few good examples.
Zorro
03-31-2009, 10:57 AM
Toyota might have a few American plants but the profit gets removed from our borders and sent back to Japan. So, don't buy Toyota. All of Ford's lineup save the Focus is pretty nice now, GM has the best midsize car out there in the new Malibu and Chrysler will apparently be bringing in Fiat cars of which there are quite a few good examples.
I'm on my third Honda CRV. Not because I love Japanese cars, but because four cars ago I bought a buick and it was one giant piece of shit. Maybe they have gotten better in the intervening years, but they burned me once and it's too big a committment to chance it a second time around.
CountryBob
03-31-2009, 11:07 AM
I am going to trade my 2003 Expedition for a brand new one now! i am doing my part to help this damn economy - and burning up plenty of gas to keep the Arabs happy too!
Freitag
03-31-2009, 11:12 AM
Getting a deal from a bankrupt company. Yup, that seems like a bright idea. What happens you lose your job they pay. GM goes under it works in reverse and you gotta kick in money to them?
Ford is not bankrupt. Nor have they taken Gov't funds yet.
It's interesting. Hyundai's deal is that if you lose your job, you can *return* the car if you don't make your payments up to a year after purchase.
Ford's deal is that you can KEEP the car - but I'm not sure how the payment plan works if you lose your job while in possession of the car. If you lose your job three years down the road, are you covered?
Thebazile78
03-31-2009, 11:24 AM
Good job, Ford and GM... only took you THREE F'N MONTHS to follow Hyundai's lead....
Anyway, Ford is now offering a year's worth of payment protection if you lose your job. GM is planning to offer a similar plan tomorrow. Don't know what Chrysler is planning.
....
Chrysler has been ordered to merge with Fiat by the end of April. (http://www.slate.com/id/2214971/)
Once they figure out which end is up, they'll probably announce something similar.
Nice!
And support Ford, they did not take our money offered by the government.
YET. They got lucky and secured a massive line of credit right before the credit collapse. That's what they are living on. If they don't make themselves profitable by the time that runs out.........
boosterp
03-31-2009, 11:47 AM
They have already set the example in reorganizing, even working a deal with the unions. GM and Chrysler were mandated by the government, Ford did it first and on their own. Bot GM and Chrysler failed. Ford stands a good chance now en light of their depleting cash reserves.
Drew85
03-31-2009, 12:16 PM
Toyota might have a few American plants but the profit gets removed from our borders and sent back to Japan. So, don't buy Toyota. All of Ford's lineup save the Focus is pretty nice now, GM has the best midsize car out there in the new Malibu and Chrysler will apparently be bringing in Fiat cars of which there are quite a few good examples.
The Euro Focus is nicer, which I think we will get in a few years.
Freitag
03-31-2009, 12:32 PM
http://www.fordspecialevent.com/pdf/plan.pdf
Basically, it boils down to this:
The program runs til 6/1.
You have be employed for 90 days full-time before you lose your job. You have to have the car for 30 days before losing your job. You have to be out of work for 30 days. And it has to happen before 1/1/10.
Snoogans
03-31-2009, 12:33 PM
how can they afford to pay other people's bills when they cant pay their own?
Toyota might have a few American plants but the profit gets removed from our borders and sent back to Japan. So, don't buy Toyota. All of Ford's lineup save the Focus is pretty nice now, GM has the best midsize car out there in the new Malibu and Chrysler will apparently be bringing in Fiat cars of which there are quite a few good examples.
So is it better to buy a Camry built in America by American workers or a Ford Fusion built in Mexico by Mexican workers?
Yes, the headquarters of Toyota is in Japan and Ford's is in Michigan, but how does it help to "keep the profits" here? At least the Asian companies (Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, and Kia) are employing Americans to build their vehicles.
With your thinking, the only thing that matters is which company's CEO makes more money.
Snoogans
03-31-2009, 12:39 PM
So is it better to buy a Camry built in America by American workers or a Ford Fusion built in Mexico by Mexican workers?
Yes, the headquarters of Toyota is in Japan and Ford's is in Michigan, but how does it help to "keep the profits" here? At least the Asian companies (Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, and Kia) are employing Americans to build their vehicles.
With your thinking, the only thing that matters is which company's CEO makes more money.
yea gvac is right, it doesnt matter where the company money goes in the end. Toyota provides jobs and a ton of money back to the US economy, not just with the plants, but all the AMERICAN mechanics all the dealerships employ, more then most dealerships since more toyotas are on the road.
When all things are added up and considered, toyota probably ends up contributing more overall money to the US economy in terms of sales taxes, jobs (which leads to income tax) and all that than ford
foodcourtdruide
03-31-2009, 12:42 PM
So is it better to buy a Camry built in America by American workers or a Ford Fusion built in Mexico by Mexican workers?
Yes, the headquarters of Toyota is in Japan and Ford's is in Michigan, but how does it help to "keep the profits" here? At least the Asian companies (Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, and Kia) are employing Americans to build their vehicles.
With your thinking, the only thing that matters is which company's CEO makes more money.
I had a similar conversation with my mother in law. She kind of talked down to me because I own a Japanese car, and I told her that a lot of Japanese cars are built in America and the whole "BUY AMERICAN CARS" gimmick was mainly just an ad campaign.
It's a great question GVAC. Does buying an American car really benefit the United States more than buying a Japanese car? In the age of globalization I wonder how much it matters.
Snoogans
03-31-2009, 12:43 PM
I had a similar conversation with my mother in law. She kind of talked down to me because I own a Japanese car, and I told her that a lot of Japanese cars are built in America and the whole "BUY AMERICAN CARS" gimmick was mainly just an ad campaign.
It's a great question GVAC. Does buying an American car really benefit the United States more than buying a Japanese car? In the age of globalization I wonder how much it matters.
see my post, esp if fords are made in mexico, buying a toyota or honda is prob better for the US
foodcourtdruide
03-31-2009, 12:49 PM
see my post, esp if fords are made in mexico, buying a toyota or honda is prob better for the US
True. It's just a nationalistic marketing campaign. I'd honestly probably buy American (even if I had to sacrifice some quality) if it meant helping the country. However, I'm not doing it just because jingoists tell me to.
Snoogans
03-31-2009, 12:54 PM
True. It's just a nationalistic marketing campaign. I'd honestly probably buy American (even if I had to sacrifice some quality) if it meant helping the country. However, I'm not doing it just because jingoists tell me to.
even if it was prob better for the US, id still buy a foreign car. When Im spending that much cash on something, I want the best quality I can get. You want me to buy an american car, make it fuckin better then the japanese car for the price. Im not sayin a 10k us car needs to be better then a 40k german car say, but even dollar for dollar foreign cars are usually better.
And even still, the foreign companies employ ALOT of americans even if they dont build the cars here. Foreign cars sell more cars. So the dealerships and service places for those cars employ more people then the american car company dealerships do, meaning more managers, and etc on up to the top. They still generate a ton of money for the US. Even just on sales tax for all the cars sold here. Not to mention the quite sizable import tax that makes alot of the foreign cars more expensive then american cars.
Nice!
And support Ford, because K.C. owns the stock.
Fixed.
A buddy of mine is a union worker and a big believer in the "Buy American" sentiment. He wanted to buy his wife an SUV a few years ago so he went to look at the Chevy Equinox because he's a GM man through and through.
He was shocked when he saw the window sticker.
Engine made in China
Transmission made in Japan
Vehicle assembled in Canada
Buy American indeed.
But hey...at least the profits "stay here" right? :blink:
scottinnj
03-31-2009, 02:12 PM
Good job, Ford and GM... only took you THREE F'N MONTHS to follow Hyundai's lead....
Anyway, Ford is now offering a year's worth of payment protection if you lose your job. GM is planning to offer a similar plan tomorrow. Don't know what Chrysler is planning.
This swings me toward buying a car now. I was on the fence before, but now I'm a lot more interested.
I'm just wondering if this is for 2008 vehicles as well...
Read here:
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=30097
Dude, go down and check out the Chevy Cobalt. It's fantastic. Also the Colorado pickup.
The I5 motor has 100 more horsepower then my S-10 but gets the same MPG mine does.
It's an inline 5 cylinder motor that is fuel efficient like a standard 4 cylinder but generates torque like a V-6 engine. GM really did it's homework on this powerplant. As soon as I payoff my pickup, I'm going down to Bennett Chevrolet and picking up one.
SatCam
03-31-2009, 02:14 PM
Wow encouraging people to buy things they essentially cant afford. Isnt this how we got into this mess in the first place?????????????????????
Don Stugots
03-31-2009, 02:14 PM
I firmly support Ford in their current plan to help the working class and what they are going through.
Tenbatsuzen
03-31-2009, 02:15 PM
Dude, go down and check out the Chevy Cobalt. It's fantastic. Also the Colorado pickup.
The I5 motor has 100 more horsepower then my S-10 but gets the same MPG mine does.
It's an inline 5 cylinder motor that is fuel efficient like a standard 4 cylinder but generates torque like a V-6 engine. GM really did it's homework on this powerplant. As soon as I payoff my pickup, I'm going down to Bennett Chevrolet and picking up one.
No interest in the cobalt and I don't want another pickup. I've liked the Edge forever, and if I didn't have impending family obligations I would be in a Mustang.
Plus I really like the Synch technology.
Thanks for the recommendations though.
A buddy of mine is a union worker and a big believer in the "Buy American" sentiment. He wanted to buy his wife an SUV a few years ago so he went to look at the Chevy Equinox because he's a GM man through and through.
He was shocked when he saw the window sticker.
Engine made in China
Transmission made in Japan
Vehicle assembled in Canada
Buy American indeed.
But hey...at least the profits "stay here" right? :blink:
The thing I'll do for my next automobile is to make sure its a union-made car in the country. (Link here (http://www.uaw.org/uawmade/auto/2009/index.cfm).) I'm very aware that I'll never be able to track all of the parts and pieces in assembly, so the only thing I can do is make sure that the worker is fairly-compensated.
The thing I'll do for my next automobile is to make sure its a union-made car in the country. (Link here (http://www.uaw.org/uawmade/auto/2009/index.cfm).) I'm very aware that I'll never be able to track all of the parts and pieces in assembly, so the only thing I can do is make sure that the worker is fairly-compensated.
You can find out which vehicles are the "Most American" with a little research. I just did a quick Google search and found an article from Cars.com that was dated December 2007 so it's a little outdated, but I'm sure there are current lists elsewhere.
They basically call a vehicle "American" if it was assembled here with at least 75% of the parts being made here as well.
HERE'S THE LIST (http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&subject=ami&story=amMade1207)
scottinnj
03-31-2009, 02:34 PM
The thing I'll do for my next automobile is to make sure its a union-made car in the country. (Link here (http://www.uaw.org/uawmade/auto/2009/index.cfm).) I'm very aware that I'll never be able to track all of the parts and pieces in assembly, so the only thing I can do is make sure that the worker is fairly-compensated.
The biggest benefit to the country is what happens after you buy the car. While components in the car when it's built may be made in other countries, the repair parts are mainly made here.
The repair parts industry and after-market parts industry here in the USA is huge. Buying a truck for example, then having it customized for off road use requires not just employment of Americans to do the work at your local speed/truck shop, but also Americans building the custom components that are installed in the truck. Also, quite a lot of powerplants that are used to replace OEM motors that may have been assembled outside of the United States are rebuilt here in the States, and of course, installed in your automobile by your neighborhood mechanic.
It also saves you money in the long run. "Foreign Makes," even when assembled here in US assembly lines, have replacement part prices 10-20% higher prices then those made for "US Makes"
You can find out which vehicles are the "Most American" with a little research. I just did a quick Google search and found an article from Cars.com that was dated December 2007 so it's a little outdated, but I'm sure there are current lists elsewhere.
They basically call a vehicle "American" if it was assembled here with at least 75% of the parts being made here as well.
HERE'S THE LIST (http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&subject=ami&story=amMade1207)
Nice list!
Well....I would say to cross-reference the two lists and then you've got an "American" vehicle....or as american as you can get. I think that's the route I'll go with on my next vehicle.
Dude!
03-31-2009, 02:38 PM
if you buy a giant gas-guzzling SUV
but it is american made
like an escalade or a navigator
is that a net plus or minus
to the people on the left?
scottinnj
03-31-2009, 02:45 PM
BTW, the Colorado is being built in Shreveport, LA.
Snoogans
03-31-2009, 02:48 PM
Since we are on this kick to buy American, this guy makes great brake pads:
http://www.bluesbros.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9765&g2_serialNumber=4
"I make car parts for the American working man, because that's what I am, and THAT'S who I care about"
BTW, the Colorado is being built in Shreveport, LA.
The Nissan Frontier is made in Smyrna, Tennessee.
The Toyota Tacoma is made in Torrance, California.
They're better trucks than the Colorado, to be honest.
Since we are on this kick to buy American, this guy makes great brake pads:
http://www.bluesbros.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9765&g2_serialNumber=4
"I make car parts for the American working man, because that's what I am, and THAT'S who I care about"
He seems like a good guy. I just hope he stays away from Tommy Boy's step-mom.
scottinnj
03-31-2009, 02:56 PM
if you buy a giant gas-guzzling SUV
but it is american made
like an escalade or a navigator
is that a net plus or minus
to the people on the left?
Most people on this board wouldn't do that. Myself, my S-10 gets 18-24 MPG with a 118 HP 4 cylinder. When we needed to get a "people mover" because of our three kids, we went with a 2004 Chevy Venture with a V-6 that can get up to 29 MPG with all three kids and all our junk in it.
I like having a pickup, and after 3 years of battling NJ winters with a 2WD, I have decided my next vehicle will have 4WD or AWD. But that doesn't mean I have to buy a gas guzzling SUV or full-size pickup. But that also doesn't mean I have to not look at American makes for fuel efficiency either.
I'm the conservative on this board, but I'm aware of liberals concerns about pollution emissions from my vehicles. And on that, I tend to agree. I like not having cars drive by my house not belching out white smoke because of poor carbuerator design-fuel injection and computer controlled ignition systems are huge advances in mileage standards and pollution control from the smoggy days of the 70s.
So buying American doesn't mean you're going to cause harm to the environment, or put pressure on fuel demands which causes 4 dollar a gallon gasoline. You just have to be a smart consumer. There are PLENTY of American cars and trucks that satisfy both concerns.
Snoogans
03-31-2009, 02:59 PM
He seems like a good guy. I just hope he stays away from Tommy Boy's step-mom.
Please, as big of a dick as he was, he was way better then Rob Lowe. Plus he is rich. And he saved the town
scottinnj
03-31-2009, 02:59 PM
The Nissan Frontier is made in Smyrna, Tennessee.
The Toyota Tacoma is made in Torrance, California.
They're better trucks than the Colorado, to be honest.
I'd say the Tacoma is on par with the Colorado, but the Frontier is a POS. I wouldn't buy a Nissan pickup or SUV at all. They make great cars, but they can't touch the Big Three or Toyota when it comes to trucks.
And of those two models you mentioned, are they assembled in union plants?
Snoogans
03-31-2009, 03:00 PM
I'd say the Tacoma is on par with the Colorado, but the Frontier is a POS. I wouldn't buy a Nissan pickup or SUV at all. They make great cars, but they can't touch the Big Three or Toyota when it comes to trucks.
And of those two models you mentioned, are they assembled in union plants?
the american companies trucks are way more quality than the cars are, thats true. But still, Toyota is better.
scottinnj
03-31-2009, 03:09 PM
the american companies trucks are way more quality than the cars are, thats true. But still, Toyota is better.
If Chevy does go under, I'd go with Toyota. My dad has a 98 Sienna van, and it runs like a top.
My buddy at work has a Toyota crew cab 4WD, and he loves it. Oil changes, brake pad and a tuneup is all he's done on it, plus a new set of tires. That's reliability.
I'm not a big fan of the seats or the big shifter lever it has, and the dashboard is pretty sparse for what he paid for it.
But growing up, we had a 1972 Toyota Corona, and it lasted through all 5 of my older sisters. In fact, the ignition (where you put the key in and turn) wore out, and we couldn't get a replacement for it. So my dad setup a system where you put in the key, turned it to the "run" position, then pressed a button he installed on the dashboard to energize the starter. That car ran for 20 years as the "kids" car when we got our licenses.
boosterp
03-31-2009, 03:11 PM
So is it better to buy a Camry built in America by American workers or a Ford Fusion built in Mexico by Mexican workers?
Yes, the headquarters of Toyota is in Japan and Ford's is in Michigan, but how does it help to "keep the profits" here? At least the Asian companies (Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, and Kia) are employing Americans to build their vehicles.
With your thinking, the only thing that matters is which company's CEO makes more money.
You can find out which vehicles are the "Most American" with a little research. I just did a quick Google search and found an article from Cars.com that was dated December 2007 so it's a little outdated, but I'm sure there are current lists elsewhere.
They basically call a vehicle "American" if it was assembled here with at least 75% of the parts being made here as well.
HERE'S THE LIST (http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&subject=ami&story=amMade1207)
Proved my point that more Fords are made here in the US. My 96 Ford Bronco was made here, the engine was made in Canada, and the wiring harness made in Mexico.
My 06 F150 was 95% made in the US thank you window stickers.
My 96 Ranger was made 95% in the US.
I love my Ford trucks.
the american companies trucks are way more quality than the cars are, thats true. But still, Toyota is better.
In my practical use a full sized Toyota can not compete with my F150 in towing, capacity, interior room, and durability off road.
In my practical use a full sized Toyota can not compete with my F150 in towing, capacity, interior room, and durability off road.
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6322/enclosures.jpg
I KNEW you sounded familiar!
Snoogans
03-31-2009, 03:17 PM
Proved my point that more Fords are made here in the US. My 96 Ford Bronco was made here, the engine was made in Canada, and the wiring harness made in Mexico.
My 06 F150 was 95% made in the US thank you window stickers.
My 96 Ranger was made 95% in the US.
I love my Ford trucks.
In my practical use a full sized Toyota can not compete with my F150 in towing, capacity, interior room, and durability off road.
im talking mechanical quality, not the abilities of the vehicle performance
scottinnj
03-31-2009, 03:20 PM
No interest in the cobalt and I don't want another pickup. I've liked the Edge forever, and if I didn't have impending family obligations I would be in a Mustang.
Plus I really like the Synch technology.
Thanks for the recommendations though.
I can't stand Ford, but I gotta say I have tons of respect for their Mustang and how well it has done quality and reliability wise since the mid-80s. It's a great car.
My brother in law has a Ford Escape SUV, and while Ford advertises mid 20s for MPG, he gets high 20s city and almost 31 MPG highway. And he loves it, it's reliable, looks good and he got a great deal on it. They have a hybrid model of it too, which Ford says gets low to mid 30s MPG, and that is extrodinary for a SUV.
I gotta give Ford props where its due. Plus I've heard nothing but good reviews about the Edge.
boosterp
03-31-2009, 03:21 PM
im talking mechanical quality, not the abilities of the vehicle performance
Quality? Both of my vehicles made in 96 have had no major failures. My Bronco has had to have an alternator replaced recently, the only thing near major. My ranger had the clutch and slave cylinder replaced recently, typical in a 12 year old manual transmission. No other failures of the components. So tell me if that is not quality?
My friend's 02 or 03 4 Runner has been in the shop twice for transmission issues. The better odds stand with my vehicles.
scottinnj
03-31-2009, 03:25 PM
im talking mechanical quality, not the abilities of the vehicle performance
I don't know about that. Throughout the years, a GM TH400 automatic transmission has become the gold standard in truck powertrain design. It's design has changed throughout the years, and it's no longer called the Turbo-Hydromatic, but if you look at modern full-sized truck powertrains, you can see it's impact on just about every model made, foreign or domestic.
But just about every full sized truck nowadays has reliability down pat. It's just a matter of little preferences and brand loyalty that drives sales in the truck department now.
scottinnj
03-31-2009, 03:28 PM
My friend's 02 or 03 4 Runner has been in the shop twice for transmission issues. The better odds stand with my vehicles.
That's because the 4 Runner's stance put too much stress on the U-joints and that excess energy being spun off center took it's toll on the transmission and transfer case. Put that powertrain in a Tundra, and it's bulletproof.
boosterp
03-31-2009, 03:54 PM
That's because the 4 Runner's stance put too much stress on the U-joints and that excess energy being spun off center took it's toll on the transmission and transfer case. Put that powertrain in a Tundra, and it's bulletproof.
Man I love my Bronco's solid front axles.
scottinnj
03-31-2009, 04:15 PM
Man I love my Bronco's solid front axles.
Yeah, I miss that stuff. IFS on a 4x4 is great for comfortable driving and driving on the highway in bad weather but you can't beat a solid front axle when the mud gets deep.
Snoogans
03-31-2009, 04:16 PM
Quality? Both of my vehicles made in 96 have had no major failures. My Bronco has had to have an alternator replaced recently, the only thing near major. My ranger had the clutch and slave cylinder replaced recently, typical in a 12 year old manual transmission. No other failures of the components. So tell me if that is not quality?
My friend's 02 or 03 4 Runner has been in the shop twice for transmission issues. The better odds stand with my vehicles.
thats just you. Look at the overall. And Ive already said the majority of what im sayin is car to car. My preference just happens to be toyota on trucks but I wouldnt buy a truck anyway
Tenbatsuzen
03-31-2009, 04:36 PM
My dad has two ford pickups, I have a Ford pickup, and I had a Ford explorer.
Never had a problem.
scottinnj
03-31-2009, 04:51 PM
My dad has two ford pickups, I have a Ford pickup, and I had a Ford explorer.
Never had a problem.
My family and I have owned:
2 Monte Carlos
2 Cavaliers
1 Venture
1 Malibu
1 S-10
1 Chevette
1 Camaro
The Chevette was a POS, but the other ones were outstanding.
So is it better to buy a Camry built in America by American workers or a Ford Fusion built in Mexico by Mexican workers?
Yes, the headquarters of Toyota is in Japan and Ford's is in Michigan, but how does it help to "keep the profits" here? At least the Asian companies (Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, and Kia) are employing Americans to build their vehicles.
With your thinking, the only thing that matters is which company's CEO makes more money.
and this is why Toyota assembles its vehicles in America -- people like you think its all the same. However, back in reality no money is "made" by Americans, simply pushed around and eventually funneled across the Pacific. From there it is put back in the form of taxes and paying Japanese engineers, accountants and so on and so forth. Little of it goes back into the American system, except when lured or outright paid to create factories here (look at all the foreign car factories built in the meth belt over the past 10 years because of generous terms given to the companies)
There's no wealth creation, just slow wealth materialization for a company listed on the Nikkei or DAX.
Full size trucks? Go American. The Titan and the Tundra have been nightmares.
I prefer Fords, but I have friends who swear by Chevy.
Ford is mercifully pulling the plug on the Ranger in 2010 and I hope the replacement is as dependable. The current model is woefully outdated, but it's still a good little truck.
The Colorado/Canyon really, really disappointed me when Chevy joined the mid-size bandwagon.
Tenbatsuzen
03-31-2009, 05:15 PM
I was in the dealership tonight - one I've never been to - and I couldn't believe it. The guy had no interest in selling me a car, even though he had 20 2008 leftovers on the lot.
Go screw.
Jughead
03-31-2009, 05:23 PM
Full size trucks? Go American. The Titan and the Tundra have been nightmares.
I prefer Fords, but I have friends who swear by Chevy.
Ford is mercifully pulling the plug on the Ranger in 2010 and I hope the replacement is as dependable. The current model is woefully outdated, but it's still a good little truck.
The Colorado/Canyon really, really disappointed me when Chevy joined the mid-size bandwagon.
:smile: The mid-size truck was a big big mistake for them...Its shit....Full Size None better....:smile:....
Jughead
03-31-2009, 05:26 PM
I was in the dealership tonight - one I've never been to - and I couldn't believe it. The guy had no interest in selling me a car, even though he had 20 2008 leftovers on the lot.
Go screw.
20 08's...Jesus......Red Flag Red flag!!!!....Our last one( I just looked it up)....Feb 6th 09 Reg cab 2wd 2500 base truck ...Salesman won a trip around the world..:smile::wink:
sailor
03-31-2009, 05:29 PM
Nice list!
Well....I would say to cross-reference the two lists and then you've got an "American" vehicle....or as american as you can get. I think that's the route I'll go with on my next vehicle.
what does such isolationist thinking get you, mr buchanan?
scottinnj
03-31-2009, 05:32 PM
I prefer Fords, but I have friends who swear by Chevy.
You just made my day Gvac!
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THANK YOU FOR BEING A FREIND!!!
I'm on my third Honda CRV. Not because I love Japanese cars, but because four cars ago I bought a buick and it was one giant piece of shit. Maybe they have gotten better in the intervening years, but they burned me once and it's too big a committment to chance it a second time around.
Whats funny about that is the Buick is a status symbol over in china, specifically a black buick, it was amazing they went ga ga over these buick sedans, buick as a whole makes better cars than chevy but upper management at GM butts in and ruins their cars.
YET. They got lucky and secured a massive line of credit right before the credit collapse. That's what they are living on. If they don't make themselves profitable by the time that runs out.........
The Euro Focus is nicer, which I think we will get in a few years.
Most of fords euro designs are nicer, its why they made the old euro boss their new CEO, it was running circles around american sales and is the main reason why ford isnt up the shit creek like the other two.
Ford is in better economic shape because they changed their strategy 3 years ago and it is paying off for them, they will be economically sound until almost 2011 even at the current slowdown which should be long gone by then.
scottinnj
03-31-2009, 05:35 PM
20 08's...Jesus......Red Flag Red flag!!!!....Our last one( I just looked it up)....Feb 6th 09 Reg cab 2wd 2500 base truck ...Salesman won a trip around the world..:smile::wink:
You sell cars? I really would like to try that. My dealership is so cool, I just love going down there sometimes just to look around. Is it hard to sell cars? I'm really good with people, and I like Chevy products, and I really would like to try it sometime.
Tenbatsuzen
03-31-2009, 08:13 PM
I'm still paralyzed in fear of buying a new car. My biggest issue right now is finding an Edge SE with Sync.
Ford is in better economic shape because they changed their strategy 3 years ago and it is paying off for them, they will be economically sound until almost 2011 even at the current slowdown which should be long gone by then.
Ford was very, very lucky. They had been sitting on their money, sold off Jaguar, sold off almost all of their stake in Mazda and secured loans while they remained disinterested in spending on R&D till their new global chassis.
GM spent a ton of money, held onto their divisions and never went after many loans because they were widely expected to return to the black by 2010.
So, GM got fucked because they tried and Ford looks brilliant because they didn't try.
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