2009 NFL Draft thread

[Snoogans]

Since its almost that time, I figure we can get all the speculation going in here. Before we start, I would just like to point out what I have been saying SINCE FUCKIN DECEMBER:

Team Needs

Giants: The Giants need to find someone to replace receiver Plaxico Burress, who was lost after his well-publicized firearm incident last year. This is crucial because Eli Manning is not the most accurate passer, so a player like Burress, with a "big body, that power forward mentality" will fight for balls thrown in his general vicinity. "Who has that? Kenny Britt out of Rutgers," Kiper said.

WILL ONE OF THESE GODDAMN TEAMS IN THE NFL OR NBA WAKE UP AND GIMMIE A GODDAMN JOB ALREADY?

[Snoogans]

I find this funny as well:

Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina: From the combine to the workout, he went from 212 lbs to 226 lbs. "From the teams I've talked to, that's a red flag," Kiper said. But Nicks is still a first-rounder.


DAMN SON. In a month or so this kid put on fuckin 14 pounds?

[hammersavage]

I want to be on record that I despise the draft. I live and breath sports every day. But this event is such a crapshoot and is so overblown. They way they test these players in the combine is a joke. The mock draft after mock draft is truly annoying. But I guess the public cares so they do it. I guess since I never had a favorite team I have no vested interest in that respect. Give me the NBA draft any day, over in 3 hours.


My interest comes from me seeing players I think can be studs but are somewhat undervalued. Or players I just think are special and can't wait to watch them play. I think there are a lot of people like me.

I don't care what weight Nicks put on, he should flourish in the league. I will forever have the catch he made in his bowl game burned into my retina. One of the most athletically challenging plays I've ever seen done with such ease..

I like Nate Davis more than either of the top 2 quarterbacks in the draft. If I were the Lions, I'd trade the pick and another for Cutler in a heartbeat. They still have the 20 from Roy Williams. They can get very good very quick. I also like Josh Freeman.

I hope Teel gets drafted. He has an NFL arm, whether all the skill are there, I don't know, but some team should take a late 2nd day shot on him.

I love Shonn Greene, think he could be the best back taken in the draft. Love Rey Maualuga, can't wait to watch him play.

Ill have more thoughts as it gets closer to the draft, even though I hate it.

[Snoogans]

I dont care about the mocks and all that nonsense. Certain things in the combine I look for but the workouts are way more important.

I dont see teel getting drafted, and Nate Davis is a little too small to be any type of high pick. Plus the last couple games he had last season were pretty fuckin awful.
As far as Nicks' weight, I was just commenting how one puts on that much weight that fast. I couldnt do that if I tried. Maybe Hippo could explain it.

As far as the Rutgers guys, most people know about Britt by now. Underwood had a very good combine and workouts so they moved him up from 5th round projection to like a mid-late 3rd.

Also don't sleep on Courtney Greene. He will be a decent safety

[razorboy]

My thoughts on the draft:

1. All of the QBs in this draft blow ape. The only one I would take a mid-round flyer on is Nate Davis. Mark Sanchez is one of the worst projected first round QBs I have ever seen.

2. The best player in this draft is Aaron Curry. Jason Smith is #2. BJ Raji is #3. Brian Orakpo is #4.

3. RBs: See first post. Moreno is a slower Cadillac Williams. Beanie wells is Kevin Jones v.2. Honestly, LeSean McCoy is maybe the safest bet out of any of them.

4. Lawrence Sidbury Jr. will be a steal. Connor Barwin will be a bust.

5. Brian Cushing and Clay Matthews are classic workout warriors. Draft at your own peril. Same goes for Percy Harvin.

6. Juaquin Iglesias is another steal in this draft.

7. The best CB in this draft will end up being Coye Francies.

More thoughts to follow.

[Snoogans]

My thoughts on the draft:

1. All of the QBs in this draft blow ape. The only one I would take a mid-round flyer on is Nate Davis. Matt Sanchez is one of the worst projected first round QBs I have ever seen.

2. The best player in this draft is Aaron Curry. Jason Smith is #2. BJ Raji is #3. Brian Orakpo is #4.

3. RBs: See first post. Moreno is a slower Cadillac Williams. Beanie wells is Kevin Jones v.2. Honestly, LeSean McCoy is maybe the safest bet out of any of them.

4. Lawrence Sidbury Jr. will be a steal. Connor Barwin will be a bust.

5. Brian Cushing and Clay Matthews are classic workout warriors. Draft at your own peril. Same goes for Percy Harvin.

6. Juaquin Iglesias is another steal in this draft.

7. The best CB in this draft will end up being Coye Francies.

More thoughts to follow.

Where did Matt Sanchez play again? His brother Mark came out too early from USC though

[razorboy]

Where did Matt Sanchez play again? His brother Mark came out too early from USC though

My bad, smartass. Some of us have to work and post. At least I spelled Juaquin Iglesias correctly.

[Snoogans]

I heard the Lions are thinkin about taking Mark Stafford first

[razorboy]

I heard the Lions are thinkin about taking Mark Stafford first

I hear they're already in negotiations with Jakeem Smith.

[Snoogans]

Draft is this saturday and sunday. And just in time for the NFL draft. Good to see these college kids acting like real NFL players:

Percy Harvin and Brandon Tate test positive for Marijuana at the Combine (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4087941)

[Gvac]

Who are my Titans gonna take?

Or am I a Lions fan?

I forget.

[RhinoinMN]

Who are my Titans gonna take?

Or am I a Lions fan?

I forget.

Your a Vikings fan.

[razorboy]

Your a Vikings fan.

Don't be silly. Nobody is a Vikings fan.

[cougarjake13]

Who are my Titans gonna take?

Or am I a Lions fan?

I forget.




i thought you picked the panthers

[NickyL0885]

i want the Jets to take WR Darius Heyward-Bey from Maryland. Unless Jeremy Maclin falls, then take him.

[epo]

*** Draft Psychic ***

At some point this weekend, Packers General Manager Ted Thompson will trade down.

[hammersavage]

Draft is this saturday and sunday. And just in time for the NFL draft. Good to see these college kids acting like real NFL players:

Percy Harvin and Brandon Tate test positive for Marijuana at the Combine (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4087941)

Great news for whatever team Harvin falls to if he does. A Reggie Bush type multi purpose player that should flourish in the modern NFL. Injuries are a concern, sure, but a game changer when on the field.

[hammersavage]

And here's the menu for the Draft party on Saturday. Start at 1pm with some appetizers: coconut shrimp, chicken tenders, pigs in a blanket, eggplant rollatinni. Round 1: Chicken cutlet/italian sandwichs and chicken salad. Round 2: Pasta with meatballs.


I'm already starvin'. I don't even like the draft that much but I'll eat all day, that's for sure.

[barjockey]

My thoughts on the draft........http://thm-a01.yimg.com/image/61a29456b9272442

[barjockey]

i want the Jets to take WR Darius Heyward-Bey from Maryland. Unless Jeremy Maclin falls, then take him.


I'm hoping that the new coaching staff sticks with what they know and take some sick under-valued defensive stud game wrecker. A young Ray Lewis/ Ed Reed type.:king:

[NickyL0885]

I'm hoping that the new coaching staff sticks with what they know and take some sick under-valued defensive stud game wrecker. A young Ray Lewis/ Ed Reed type.:king:

They need a receiver who can stretch the field. A burner type. Cotchery is not that. Neither is Stuckey. Clowney is a burner but he has been around a while and cant seem to find his role with a team. Id love Rey Mauluga(sp?) from USC but I think we have alot of LBs. We def need a DE.

[razorboy]

i want the Jets to take WR Darius Heyward-Bey from Maryland. Unless Jeremy Maclin falls, then take him.

Trust me, you don't want Heyward-Bey. He has shit hands, shit instincts, runs shit routes and has the concentation skills of a marshmallow. He runs fast fly and go routes and halfway through the route he forgets his job is to catch the ball.

[Snoogans]

Trust me, you don't want Heyward-Bey. He has shit hands, shit instincts, runs shit routes and has the concentation skills of a marshmallow. He runs fast fly and go routes and halfway through the route he forgets his job is to catch the ball.

shhhh. Let them take Heyward bey. We need Britt to make it to 29th pick

[hammersavage]

Giants should be in a position for Hakeem Nicks, Britt or Harvin (if he falls because of recent news). I personally think Nicks fits the best but all 3 would be a good addition.

[Snoogans]

Giants should be in a position for Hakeem Nicks, Britt or Harvin (if he falls because of recent news). I personally think Nicks fits the best but all 3 would be a good addition.

I think Nicks is dangerous cause he put on 30 pounds since the combine.

Harvin isnt what we need right now. We need a big guy who can go up and get the ball and run someone over. We need a guy like Britt, only I'm worried he wont even make it to 29 anymore. His stock has taken a fast shot straight up

[Knowledged_one]

i want the Jets to take WR Darius Heyward-Bey from Maryland. Unless Jeremy Maclin falls, then take him.

maclin wont make it past 8

[Snoogans]

maclin may go before crabtree. The Raiders love him

[drjoek]

Mel Kiper Jr needs to DIE!
He is the most insufferable prick on the face of the earth.

[razorboy]

Stafford and Detroit agree on contract. (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9485710/Glazer:-Lions-will-take-Stafford-with-No.-1-pick)

Yikes. Fucking huge money for an unknown commodity.

[Snoogans]

i cant wait til that burns them

[razorboy]

i cant wait til that burns them

I actually like Stafford more than some I've talked to, but not behind that shit OLine.

[Snoogans]

I actually like Stafford more than some I've talked to, but not behind that shit OLine.

and not for that much cash. I cant wait for the fuckin rookie pay scale. They dont deserve this much money and it would free up alot more to go make your team better each off season

[razorboy]

and not for that much cash. I cant wait for the fuckin rookie pay scale. They dont deserve this much money and it would free up alot more to go make your team better each off season

The thing is, if you're going to lose big next year (and they will) the smart money would have been spent on Aaron Curry or Jason Smith. The QB class will be worlds better next year anyway, and there is no sense in paying a QB that much bread and then throwing him to the wolves.

[Clint Eastwood]

The thing is, if you're going to lose big next year (and they will) the smart money would have been spent on Aaron Curry or Jason Smith. The QB class will be worlds better next year anyway, and there is no sense in paying a QB that much bread and then throwing him to the wolves.

I totally agree.

[Snoogans]

I totally agree.

what do you know about football you old fuck

[Clint Eastwood]

I know I'd stop a mudhole in that fleshy patch you call a cunt and walk it dry. Punk!

[Knowledged_one]

The thing is, if you're going to lose big next year (and they will) the smart money would have been spent on Aaron Curry or Jason Smith. The QB class will be worlds better next year anyway, and there is no sense in paying a QB that much bread and then throwing him to the wolves.

yeah but they also have the 20th pick to grab a tackle, curry isnt worth the money that stafford will make and who knows oher could fall to 20 or they get one of the usc lbs at that spot.

and who are the great qbs next year stafford played in a pro system and imo is better then what will be there next year

[Snoogans]

I know I'd stop a mudhole in that fleshy patch you call a cunt and walk it dry. Punk!

tough talk from a giant baby virgin

[Snoogans]

yeah but they also have the 20th pick to grab a tackle, curry isnt worth the money that stafford will make and who knows oher could fall to 20 or they get one of the usc lbs at that spot.

and who are the great qbs next year stafford played in a pro system and imo is better then what will be there next year

i would guess him main guy is gonna be mccoy. He probably includes tebow who would be a joke of an NFL QB and I dont know how much Harrell will do there either. I dont see next year's class being that great past McCoy and Bradford. And I dont think they are that much better than Stafford and Sanchez

[hammersavage]

Greg Paulus

[Snoogans]

Greg Paulus

he went to Duke. Its a rule that he would flop in the pros

[hammersavage]

Syracuse alums do ok.

[Snoogans]

Syracuse alums do ok.

McNabb is garbage

[Knowledged_one]

i would guess him main guy is gonna be mccoy. He probably includes tebow who would be a joke of an NFL QB and I dont know how much Harrell will do there either. I dont see next year's class being that great past McCoy and Bradford. And I dont think they are that much better than Stafford and Sanchez

and we know the track record of qbs in gimmic o's like bradford and mccoy and tebow

[razorboy]

yeah but they also have the 20th pick to grab a tackle, curry isnt worth the money that stafford will make and who knows oher could fall to 20 or they get one of the usc lbs at that spot.

and who are the great qbs next year stafford played in a pro system and imo is better then what will be there next year

Curry said that he would take considerably less as the first overall pick, Oher isn't near the physical specimen that J. Smith is and I'd take Bradford and McCoy over this years QB draft class without question.

[Snoogans]

Curry said that he would take considerably less as the first overall pick, Oher isn't near the physical specimen that J. Smith is and I'd take Bradford and McCoy over this years QB draft class without question.

Spread offense QBs do not usually do well in the NFL, especially not in the first couple years

[razorboy]

and we know the track record of qbs in gimmic o's like bradford and mccoy and tebow

Mark my words. Stafford will be a bit better than decent and Sanchez will be an enormous bust.

[Snoogans]

Mark my words. Stafford will be a bit better than decent and Sanchez will be an enormous bust.

If this is true, I pray the Jets trade up for Sanchez


PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

[razorboy]

Spread offense QBs do not usually do well in the NFL, especially not in the first couple years

Generally I'd agree, but I see something different out of Bradford and McCoy.

[Snoogans]

Generally I'd agree, but I see something different out of Bradford and McCoy.

i agree, but it will still take them time. i think stafford can be just as good as them. I really hope Sanchez blows, cause I hate USC.

And I cant see Freeman not being another Vince Young

[hammersavage]

I always thought the second tier of quarterback in this draft would be better than the top tier. At least at their values. Freeman, Davis, and definitely Brian Hoyer who I think will be a steal. I think Teel could blossom into a serviceable qb too in the right system. He has the arm.

[Snoogans]

I always thought the second tier of quarterback in this draft would be better than the top tier. At least at their values. Freeman, Davis, and definitely Brian Hoyer who I think will be a steal. I think Teel could blossom into a serviceable qb too in the right system. He has the arm.

I DONT get this thought. Some people have it. I just dont understand it. He has the arm.....and thats about it. Look how long it took his ass to get with it last year. And alot of people forget he played his whole career basically with 2 pretty awesome WRs and a couple years with a 3rd who was usually the fastest guy on the field. You CANT underestimate what Underwood and Briit meant to Teel in 06 and 07 and what Britt especially did for him last season.

MIKE TEEL IS NOT THAT GOOD. He just isnt. He makes too many dumb decisions, gets too inaccurate with passes, and doesn't have the athleticism to even begin to think about avoiding sacks from guys in the NFL. I just dont see him having any chance.

[hammersavage]

I DONT get this thought. Some people have it. I just dont understand it. He has the arm.....and thats about it. Look how long it took his ass to get with it last year. And alot of people forget he played his whole career basically with 2 pretty awesome WRs and a couple years with a 3rd who was usually the fastest guy on the field. You CANT underestimate what Underwood and Briit meant to Teel in 06 and 07 and what Britt especially did for him last season.

MIKE TEEL IS NOT THAT GOOD. He just isnt. He makes too many dumb decisions, gets too inaccurate with passes, and doesn't have the athleticism to even begin to think about avoiding sacks from guys in the NFL. I just dont see him having any chance.

To me, the skills were there, it just seemed like the head wasn't. He was god awful the first 6 games last year, then he just changed (HE changed) and he played as good as any QB in the country, good receivers or not. I just saw flashes of greatness.

You'll end up being right cuz he probably won't even get drafted. But I think he'll have some sort of career.

[Knowledged_one]

Curry said that he would take considerably less as the first overall pick, Oher isn't near the physical specimen that J. Smith is and I'd take Bradford and McCoy over this years QB draft class without question.

its vbd stafford and say oher/maluega/matthews is better then curry/smith. And whoever at 20 and then hope for a qb next year and mccoy bradford do not impress me at all. And what curry says he will take and what he demands i bet are way different i bet he is an extended hold out

[hammersavage]

I want Aaron Curry on the Chiefs. He doesn't fit their scheme perfect but he's a beast. They also need a fucking TE now in the late rounds.

They gotta get more than a 2 for TGonz.

[Snoogans]

To me, the skills were there, it just seemed like the head wasn't. He was god awful the first 6 games last year, then he just changed (HE changed) and he played as good as any QB in the country, good receivers or not. I just saw flashes of greatness.

You'll end up being right cuz he probably won't even get drafted. But I think he'll have some sort of career.

he has ability to throw the ball. You have to keep in mind Rutgers had a very good pass blocking O line, and britt pretty much ALWAYS got open. Go watch alot of Teel's highlights last year. Guys were wide open. yea you have to get it there but its not that hard with 10 yards of space. The Line and The receivers RIPPED opponents during that run. Teel did what he had to do, yea, but he didnt do anything special. He may have also had the best OVERALL WR core in the country. Between Briit, Underwood(who will surprise people in the NFL and had a remarkable combine), Tim Brown and Shammar Graves at Tight end, he shoulda had stats like that all year.

the main problem is he cant move. He ran like a 5.85 40. Im not even kidding. He is a sloth. He doesn't have the brain to not have mobility in the NFL, nevermind having ZERO mobility. The only 2 things he has going for him is he was there for 5 years and he played in a pro style offense. But shit, most NFL teams compared to the competition wont have receivers doing whatever they wanted like Rutgers did. I can't stress enough how good their receivers were at gettin open. Too bad they are mostly gone

[Knowledged_one]

I want Aaron Curry on the Chiefs. He doesn't fit their scheme perfect but he's a beast. They also need a fucking TE now in the late rounds.

They gotta get more than a 2 for TGonz.

they may flip the 2's (do they have 2 twos) and trade up for pettigrew

[SP1!]

I actually like Stafford more than some I've talked to, but not behind that shit OLine.

On the plus side he has a quick release, that alone should slow down the rushing D-linemen, that is a shitload of money though, they better use all the rest of their picks on linemen to help.

Hes better than some people are giving him credit for and lets not forget that richt was a qb coach first so he knows what hes doing.

Stafford will be fine, he had practice running around last year behind UGAs broken O line so it wont be a huge shock to him having to scramble, detroit will be happy for quite a few years to come with him back there.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Something must be seriously wrong with Mel Kiper. He wasn't on ESPN last night and he's not on today.

[hammersavage]

He gots ta get his hair tight

[weekapaugjz]

Bills need O line, D line, and a tight end. With two first round picks they should be able to pick up some talent. Should be an interesting day.

[sailor]

anyone know what xm channel is covering the draft?

[razorboy]

anyone know what xm channel is covering the draft?

124 is NFL radio and they'll have it for sure. 140 is ESPN, but I don't know that they are covering it live.

[Gvac]

I wonder who my Lions are gonna take?

http://www.photo-shirts.com/sports/NFL%20Helmuts/Detroit%20Lions.jpg

[Snoogans]

i bet you 10 grand they take Matt Stafford

[Knowledged_one]

I wonder who my Lions are gonna take?

http://www.photo-shirts.com/sports/NFL%20Helmuts/Detroit%20Lions.jpg

havent you heard they have a new logo

[Snoogans]

havent you heard they have a new logo

http://www.idstyle.com/safari/animals/lion-041.jpg

[Fallon]

Has the draft always been at 4pm? I thought it used to start at like noon.

[Snoogans]

Has the draft always been at 4pm? I thought it used to start at like noon.

it did. They wanted it to be "primetime"

Also they shortened the pick clocks so the thing moves faster

[razorboy]

it did. They wanted it to be "primetime"

Also they shortened the pick clocks so the thing moves faster

Not fast enough. Each team should get forty-five seconds to enter their pick. Thirty seconds after the first round.

[Snoogans]

Not fast enough. Each team should get forty-five seconds to enter their pick.

HAHAHA. Like Madden. Same with basketball like NBA live. I get through 7 rounds of draft in madden in about 20 minutes. STEP IT UP, GOODELL

[Snoogans]

If I was the Lions I would wait til there was 1 second left on the clock to announce they pick Matt Stafford

[razorboy]

I always thought the second tier of quarterback in this draft would be better than the top tier. At least at their values. Freeman, Davis, and definitely Brian Hoyer who I think will be a steal. I think Teel could blossom into a serviceable qb too in the right system. He has the arm.

I don't agree on Teel, but I wuld add Bomar to the list. I think he could be a serviceable starter in the league if given a couple of years to hold a clipboard.

[Fallon]

Which channel has better coverage? I'm gonna try NFL network.

Hate ESPN.

[razorboy]

Which channel has better coverage? I'm gonna try NFL network.

Hate ESPN.

Less Chris Berman = more better.

[razorboy]

I have chicken wings and beer. I'm setting the over-under for how long before I fall asleep on the couch at fifty-three minutes.

[razorboy]

Smart move by the Rams. Sanchez blows.

[underdog]

I cannot wait until this pick shows up on 2015's youtube clip of bad Jets draft picks.

[razorboy]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! The Jets will continue to blow! Sanchez is a giant ball of noodle-armed overhyped suck.

[OGC]

I cannot wait until this pick shows up on 2015's youtube clip of bad Jets draft picks.


No, this time it will be different. You watch.

[ozzie]

What did the Jets give up?!?!?

[razorboy]

Jets trade 17th pick, 2nd round pick, Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff and Abram Elam.

[ozzie]

Jets trade 17th pick, 2nd round pick, Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff and Abram Elam.

Thanks. Stuck at work and only have the NFL DraftCast from espn.com.

Browns got the best of this deal.

[razorboy]

Andre Smith to Cincinnati is a snapshot of the Bengals FO's ineptitude. Draft a flake to a team of flakes coached by a flake. Brilliant.

[razorboy]

Holy Shit!! DHB to the Raiders, worst pick ever.

[HBox]

I get douche chills when they refer to Chad Johnson as Ocho Cinco. I don't care if he legally changed his name, it's awful.

And the Raiders pick is........... hilarious. Crabtree looked PISSED. If an AFC West team is smart they should jump up and grab him.

[Knowledged_one]

As a skins fan i am happy they did not trade up i hope they trade down

[PD]

Thanks. Stuck at work and only have the NFL DraftCast from espn.com.

Browns got the best of this deal.

they did because of the 2nd rounder, but I think Sanchez will be a hispanic Pennington- a decent qb.

[epo]

As much as I would've liked Green Bay to trade down, getting Raji was too much to pass up at #9.

[epo]

They must have a shitload of confidence in Singletary in dealing with Michael Crabtree's supposed attitude.

[razorboy]

Orakpo is a beast. It's a shame to see him go to such a shite team.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The Jets... did... WHAT?!?!?!?

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!?

Jesus Chris, I'm pissed.

[epo]

The Jets... did... WHAT?!?!?!?

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!?

Jesus Chris, I'm pissed.

Its not as bad as it looks.





Its worse.

[Tenbatsuzen]

with what the Jets just did, they aren't picking again til the fourth round. YOU NEED A FUCKING WR.

And you gave up Elam and Ratliff too? Are you SHITTING me?!?!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Its not as bad as it looks.





Its worse.

Much worse. Sanchez is overhyped to the extreme. Although Matt Ryan was pretty hyped up and he did OK, and so did Flacco.

I'm trying to calm myself by saying that the Jets have a very solid O-line so he'll be well protected. But still... this is insanity.

THey gave up three players PLUS their 1st and 2nd round picks.

[epo]

Much worse. Sanchez is overhyped to the extreme. Although Matt Ryan was pretty hyped up and he did OK, and so did Flacco.

I'm trying to calm myself by saying that the Jets have a very solid O-line so he'll be well protected. But still... this is insanity.

THey gave up three players PLUS their 1st and 2nd round picks.

2 picks & 3 players to ..................Eric Mangini.

[Tenbatsuzen]

2 picks & 3 players to ..................Eric Mangini.

I just looked at the draft board, and it looks like the Jets do have a third round pick... epo, which third rounder did you get from us in the Favre deal? I thought it was 2009, but is it 2010?

If I remember correctly, it was a fourth rounder to start; if Favre makes a number of starts (which he did) it was a third rounder, if they made the playoffs it was a second rounder, and if they made the superbowl it was a first rounder. Is that right?

[Tenbatsuzen]

2 picks & 3 players to ..................Eric Mangini.

And you know what? Just to spite me, Mangini is going to draft Pat White. At that point, my head will cave in. The only thing worse than White going to the Browns is to the Pats, which is a distinct possibility.

[Knowledged_one]

Much worse. Sanchez is overhyped to the extreme. Although Matt Ryan was pretty hyped up and he did OK, and so did Flacco.

I'm trying to calm myself by saying that the Jets have a very solid O-line so he'll be well protected. But still... this is insanity.

THey gave up three players PLUS their 1st and 2nd round picks.

look at the numbers flacco did not have a good year

[Tenbatsuzen]

look at the numbers flacco did not have a good year

...I'm sorry, was the AFC championship game some Jewish mysticism?

[Knowledged_one]

And you know what? Just to spite me, Mangini is going to draft Pat White. At that point, my head will cave in. The only thing worse than White going to the Browns is to the Pats, which is a distinct possibility.

pat white is a 5th round pick at best

[HBox]

look at the numbers flacco did not have a good year

He didn't stop the Ravens from getting to the AFC Championship game. And he got better as the year went on.

[Knowledged_one]

...I'm sorry, was the AFC championship game some Jewish mysticism?

again look at his numbers he did not have a great year

[epo]

I'm a huge fan of what the Browns are doing today.

[Tenbatsuzen]

pat white is a 5th round pick at best

Everyone else is projecting in Rd 2-3.

[Tenbatsuzen]

again look at his numbers he did not have a great year

Just short of 3000 yards, 16 td / 14 int.


BTW...


HE WAS A ROOKIE QUARTERBACK FROM A SMALL CONFERENCE IN THE NFL.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm a huge fan of what the Browns are doing today.

What they'd do now? Rape Tannenbaum's wife and send pictures to his kids?

[Knowledged_one]

again look at his numbers he did not have a great year

20th in yards, 22nd rated, 20th in td passes, and 20th in pct

they won because of their d not the o

[epo]

What they'd do now? Rape Tannenbaum's wife and send pictures to his kids?

Traded down from 5 to 17.
Traded down from 17 to 19.
Traded down 19 to 21.

And Mangini pissed on a Jets flag.

[Knowledged_one]

Just short of 3000 yards, 16 td / 14 int.


BTW...


HE WAS A ROOKIE QUARTERBACK FROM A SMALL CONFERENCE IN THE NFL.

you mean 14 td and 12 int but why let the facts get in the way of the truth

[Tenbatsuzen]

Traded down from 5 to 17.
Traded down from 17 to 19.
Traded down 19 to 21.

And Mangini pissed on a Jets flag.

What'd they get for 17 to 19 and 19 to 21?

[epo]

What'd they get for 17 to 19 and 19 to 21?

I'm not sure, but according to ESPN they've picked up 5 extra picks and 3 players today. A very good days work.

[Tenbatsuzen]

you mean 14 td and 12 int but why let the facts get in the way of the truth

So I was 2 off, BFD.

Learn some facts: Flacco came from a I-AA school, made the jump to the NFL, and did pretty fucking good for his rookie year. Stats don't tell the whole story.

You ask ANY Ravens fan if the Flacco pick was a good one, they will overwhemlingly say yes.

Stop jerking off to stats and look at results.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm not sure, but according to ESPN they've picked up 5 extra picks and 3 players today. A very good days work.

Well, the three players were from the Jets deal.

I can understand giving up Ratliff, but losing Elam just makes me pissed off.

[epo]

What'd they get for 17 to 19 and 19 to 21?

It appears that they got the #50 overall from Tampa for one of the moves.

[HBox]

It appears that they got the #50 overall from Tampa for one of the moves.

No, they just got a sixth rounder each from Tampa and Philly.

[epo]

No, they just got a sixth rounder each from Tampa and Philly.

Huh, I wonder how they got that pick from Tampa then.

[HBox]

Huh, I wonder how they got that pick from Tampa then.

Old trade maybe?

[epo]

Old trade maybe?

Either that or Tampa is just feeling generous.

[razorboy]

Huh, I wonder how they got that pick from Tampa then.

Old trade maybe?

They got it when the Bucs traded for K2.

[HBox]

Excuse me, I need to find a huge homeless black man to adopt.

[razorboy]

Excuse me, I need to find a huge homeless black man to adopt.

You have to adopt one when he's small and cute. It's really a bit of a crapshoot.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Excuse me, I need to find a huge homeless black man to adopt.

You know, this will lead to inappropriate humor and you being banned for 2 weeks.

[underdog]

Excuse me, I need to find a huge homeless black man to adopt.

Hello.

[epo]

BJ Raji and Clay Matthews for Green Bay. I like it.

It sounds like GB gave up a 2nd and a 3rd for that 1st and a 5th....but they had an extra 3rd to burn because of the Favre deal.

[underdog]

I keep waiting to see what the Patriots are going to do. EIGHT picks in the 2nd & 3rd rounds.

[HBox]

Who the fuck gains 14 pounds from a hamstring injury?

[TheGameHHH]

Who the fuck gains 14 pounds from a hamstring injury?

people that use steroids

[epo]

So the Giants passed on Britt......guess who isn't happy?

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[HBox]

Well Hakeem Nicks is like Britt, just smaller, fatter and slower.

[epo]

Well Hakeem Nicks is like Britt, just smaller, fatter and slower.

I just got a screaming phone call telling me the same thing.

[HBox]

This might turn out to be the worst trade: The Broncos traded their 1st round pick next year for Seattle's second round pick. If the Seahawks don't end up with a top 10 pick next year I will be shocked.

[Snoogans]

Im fuckin done with the Giants. I can not root for an organization that can make such an awful decision. Nevermind Britt is from NJ and went to Rutgers, he could be from the north fuckin pole for all I care, he is WAY BETTER THAN FUCKIN NICKS.


GODDAMN IT. Im so fuckin done with the NFL

[underdog]

This might turn out to be the worst trade: The Broncos traded their 1st round pick next year for Seattle's second round pick. If the Seahawks don't end up with a top 10 pick next year I will be shocked.

They traded a 1st rounder in a decent draft for a 2nd rounder in a pretty bad draft.

[drjoek]

Im fuckin done with the Giants. I can not root for an organization that can make such an awful decision. Nevermind Britt is from NJ and went to Rutgers, he could be from the north fuckin pole for all I care, he is WAY BETTER THAN FUCKIN NICKS.


GODDAMN IT. Im so fuckin done with the NFL



Those assholes obviously don't read ronfez.net. You've been championing him for months. Buncha dummies

[Snoogans]

Those assholes obviously don't read ronfez.net. You've been championing him for months. Buncha dummies

I was mostly so early on him cause I a Rutgers fan, but I still know how to watch guys objectively. Britt is way better than Nicks. The only reason I had accepted the thought of having Nicks is cause Britt was projected to not make it to 29. Once he did, it was pretty much a no brainer to take him, just like EVERY EXPERT ON EVERY PIECE OF COVERAGE SAID. I also think Britt is a decent amount better than Hayward Bey. The only receivers in the draft better than him were Crabtree and Maclin. Tennessee just got a huge gift that will make them very happy.

And the Giants just blew it

[HBox]

Pat White to Miami. Is that the 3rd worst place behind Cleveland and NE Tenbats?

[Snoogans]

Pat White to Miami. Is that the 3rd worst place behind Cleveland and NE Tenbats?

If he wants a shot at Qb its actually a good place. I can see him playin Seneca Wallace to Chad Pennington for a year or 2 and if he is even as good as Wallace, Miami may give him a shot

[HBox]

If he wants a shot at Qb its actually a good place. I can see him playin Seneca Wallace to Chad Pennington for a year or 2 and if he is even as good as Wallace, Miami may give him a shot

It's definitely the closest thing to his college system that he will ever find in th NFL.

[Snoogans]

It's definitely the closest thing to his college system that he will ever find in th NFL.

I didnt even think of that either. He is perfect for that, and he can throw some. Plus I think Miami loves the idea of a crazy fast QB, which is why they took a shot on Marcus Vick. I think they just wanna get them as Receivers in teh hope they may be decent QBs

[HBox]

Is Al Davis using this draft as some sort of elaborate post-modern performance comedy?

[razorboy]

If he wants a shot at Qb its actually a good place. I can see him playin Seneca Wallace to Chad Pennington for a year or 2 and if he is even as good as Wallace, Miami may give him a shot

I have a friend in Miami sports media who tells me the Dolphins FO and coaches are pretty damn high on Henne. I see Pat White being the slash/ultimate weapon/wildcat guy and probably the third stringer, at least for this year, and personally I think it may end up working out very well for the fish.

[underdog]

I a Rutgers fan

Why?

It's definitely the closest thing to his college system that he will ever find in th NFL.

It's absolutely the perfect team for him.

[HBox]

NFL.com doesn't even have a height or weight on the Raiders second round pick. ESPN had no highlights. They had trouble finding him in Kiper's draft book. Kiper said he had him listed as a priority free agent. For the 47th pick in the draft.

[HBox]

Jeremy Maclin and LeSean McCoy? FUCK YES.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Pat White to Miami. Is that the 3rd worst place behind Cleveland and NE Tenbats?

I just got home from dinner. Considering that White said that under no circumstances does he want to convert to a WR, all the draft analysts said he was best fitted to a wildcat offense, and he's from Alabama, that's probably the best place for him to go.

And when Chad is done, he's going to be the Jets nightmare for years to come.

Wow, was it the fifth round already? Damn. Time flies.

[Tenbatsuzen]

NFL.com doesn't even have a height or weight on the Raiders second round pick. ESPN had no highlights. They had trouble finding him in Kiper's draft book. Kiper said he had him listed as a priority free agent. For the 47th pick in the draft.

California Penal League?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think the explanation for the Giants not taking Britt is simple. There were rumors of character issues with Britt, even though they were mostly bullshit. The Giants probably didn't want another asshole WR (in their mind) after the Plaxico issue, which is why they went with Nicks.

[razorboy]

Will Beatty is a damn solid pickup for the Giants.

[underdog]

NFL.com doesn't even have a height or weight on the Raiders second round pick. ESPN had no highlights. They had trouble finding him in Kiper's draft book. Kiper said he had him listed as a priority free agent. For the 47th pick in the draft.

I'm watching the NFL Network coverage and the guy with the lisp that is their Kiper had him in his "7th round depth chart".

I just got home from dinner. Considering that White said that under no circumstances does he want to convert to a WR, all the draft analysts said he was best fitted to a wildcat offense, and he's from Alabama, that's probably the best place for him to go.

He said he didn't want to be a WR because the draft was loaded with WRs. If he came out as a WR, he would have disappeared.

[underdog]

Is anyone else surprised by the number of picks have come out of UConn tonight?

[HBox]

Is anyone else surprised by the number of picks have come out of UConn tonight?

A little, but ESPN said that there were more scouts at UCONN's pro day than there were at Texas's.

[Tenbatsuzen]

He said he didn't want to be a WR because the draft was loaded with WRs. If he came out as a WR, he would have disappeared.

No, he wants to be a QB because that's where the money is. He was drafted twice by the Angels, so financially, he could go to MLB and get guaranteed money, or become a QB in the NFL and get crazy money.

[NickyL0885]

I love the Jets getting Sanchez. They need a franchise QB and they haven't had one since broadway joe. I know there are skeptics but at some point, a QB HAS to work out for the Jets. I believe this is the time the Jets QB works out. Kellen Clemens could have a great season, but Id still want Sanchez. Some mock drafts had us taking Josh Freeman. Rather have him? Hell no. Big arm but such a project. Besides, Sanchez won't need to do much on a Defense first team, with plans to run the ball mostly on the Offense.

[underdog]

A little, but ESPN said that there were more scouts at UCONN's pro day than there were at Texas's.

That makes sense. Go to the team that has barely had one good football season over a team that is perennially good. Sounds about right for pro scouts.

[razorboy]

I love the Jets getting Sanchez. They need a franchise QB and they haven't had one since broadway joe.

They still don't. He has Pennington's arm strength with less accuracy.

[underdog]

No, he wants to be a QB because that's where the money is. He was drafted twice by the Angels, so financially, he could go to MLB and get guaranteed money, or become a QB in the NFL and get crazy money.

Every WR drafted in front of him will make a lot more money than he will as a QB.

[SP1!]

No, he wants to be a QB because that's where the money is. He was drafted twice by the Angels, so financially, he could go to MLB and get guaranteed money, or become a QB in the NFL and get crazy money.
Pat white wont do much as an NFL QB, I love his playing style but his passes do not have enough zip on them to be effective, he better seriously think of playing as a receiver or hes done.

A little, but ESPN said that there were more scouts at UCONN's pro day than there were at Texas's.
Yeah thats because almost every single one of texas's games was broadcast, rutgers gets local coverage at best most weeks.

They still don't. He has Pennington's arm strength with less accuracy.
Yeah I dont understand why everyone was so high on sanchez, he was average the one year he started and it was a really bad year for the pac 10 last year, he made the right move coming out since he would have been an after thought next year. But at least they can keep that crappy jets pick youtube video going......

[underdog]

Pat white wont do much as an NFL QB, I love his playing style but his passes do not have enough zip on them to be effective, he better seriously think of playing as a receiver or hes done.

Isn't the only thing White has as a passer "zip"?

[SP1!]

Isn't the only thing White has as a passer "zip"?

No he has throwing on the run, he has a little zip but zero accuracy, if he has accuracy then his passe hang in mid air and those will get picked off in the NFL.

I cant believe he would be stupid enough to tell a team he wouldnt try WR, hell isnt he barely 6', can he even see over the line?

[underdog]

No he has throwing on the run, he has a little zip but zero accuracy, if he has accuracy then his passe hang in mid air and those will get picked off in the NFL.

I cant believe he would be stupid enough to tell a team he wouldnt try WR, hell isnt he barely 6', can he even see over the line?

If he tried out for WR, he wouldn't have been drafted. Maybe in the 6th or 7th round by a team willing to take a risk. Him not trying out for WR was a brilliant move.

[SP1!]

If he tried out for WR, he wouldn't have been drafted. Maybe in the 6th or 7th round by a team willing to take a risk. Him not trying out for WR was a brilliant move.

Jesus you have a reading comprehension problem, Im talking about him saying he wouldnt even think of playing WR not being drafted as one.......

[hammersavage]

A little, but ESPN said that there were more scouts at UCONN's pro day than there were at Texas's.

Look what they did in the time they've been a D-1 program to what Rutgers has done. It's amazing.

[Snoogans]

I think the explanation for the Giants not taking Britt is simple. There were rumors of character issues with Britt, even though they were mostly bullshit. The Giants probably didn't want another asshole WR (in their mind) after the Plaxico issue, which is why they went with Nicks.

yea cause the guy who gained 20 pounds of fat since the combine is such a good guy

[Snoogans]

Look what they did in the time they've been a D-1 program to what Rutgers has done. It's amazing.

considering Rutgers has been D 1 since like 1874 thats not reallya fair comparison. Its alot different in the last 10 years

[TheGameHHH]

I love the Jets getting Sanchez. They need a franchise QB and they haven't had one since broadway joe. I know there are skeptics but at some point, a QB HAS to work out for the Jets. I believe this is the time the Jets QB works out. Kellen Clemens could have a great season, but Id still want Sanchez. Some mock drafts had us taking Josh Freeman. Rather have him? Hell no. Big arm but such a project. Besides, Sanchez won't need to do much on a Defense first team, with plans to run the ball mostly on the Offense.

the best part is, in like 5 or 6 years.....this post is gonna be even more funny then it is right now

[sailor]

No he has throwing on the run, he has a little zip but zero accuracy, if he has accuracy then his passe hang in mid air and those will get picked off in the NFL.

I cant believe he would be stupid enough to tell a team he wouldnt try WR, hell isnt he barely 6', can he even see over the line?

he's got a consistent 66% completion percentage, so i don't think accuracy is the issue. he's listed at 6'1" and i think there have been a few that height or shorter that have made it recently (names escape me tho').

[Tenbatsuzen]

the best part is, in like 5 or 6 years.....this post is gonna be even more funny then it is right now

Especially when Elam is a pro bowl DB.

[IrishAlkey]

Oakland am retarded.

[epo]

Oakland am retarded.

And they kept it up. They took DE Matt Shaughnessy from Wisconsin early in the 3rd round when he's a projected 4th or 5th rounder.

Working for Al Davis must be insane.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Working for Al Davis must be insane.

Unfortunately, I think it rubbed off on Lane Kiffin.

[SP1!]

he's got a consistent 66% completion percentage, so i don't think accuracy is the issue. he's listed at 6'1" and i think there have been a few that height or shorter that have made it recently (names escape me tho').
Its easy to have high completion percentages in the offense that they ran, most of the passes were short over the middle or swing passes, he may do fine but Im just not sold on him being a QB at the pro level. He has vick type talent with a weaker arm.

And they kept it up. They took DE Matt Shaughnessy from Wisconsin early in the 3rd round when he's a projected 4th or 5th rounder.

Working for Al Davis must be insane.
Well at least al keeps the pressure off of jerry jones for nfls stupidest owner.

Unfortunately, I think it rubbed off on Lane Kiffin.
Being a hater of the voluteers I am glad this rubbed off on kiffin, fuck him.

[epo]

I love the Jets getting Sanchez. They need a franchise QB and they haven't had one since broadway joe. I know there are skeptics but at some point, a QB HAS to work out for the Jets. I believe this is the time the Jets QB works out. Kellen Clemens could have a great season, but Id still want Sanchez. Some mock drafts had us taking Josh Freeman. Rather have him? Hell no. Big arm but such a project. Besides, Sanchez won't need to do much on a Defense first team, with plans to run the ball mostly on the Offense.

I can't imagine thinking that Mark Sanchez is a "franchise QB".

[SP1!]

I can't imagine thinking that Mark Sanchez is a "franchise QB".

I still find it amazing that people put that tag to any USC QB, hell the most known USC quarterback recently is one that never even started a game for them, sanchez's release may be his downfall.

[hammersavage]

considering Rutgers has been D 1 since like 1874 thats not reallya fair comparison. Its alot different in the last 10 years

What? Doesn't even make sense. I'm saying in the same period, UConn is a superior program. Rutgers even had a 150 year head start. You're right, its not a fair comparison.

I still find it amazing that people put that tag to any USC QB, hell the most known USC quarterback recently is one that never even started a game for them, sanchez's release may be his downfall.

And what? Carson Palmer was a top 3 qb until he got hurt. Cassell was a back up and destroyed the league last year. Leinart is the only bust.



The Jets made a TREMENDOUS move today. Shonn Green is such a great pick for them. A power back to go with Thomas Jones. He was my #2 RB entering the draft. I should be on their staff.

[hammersavage]

The Coz in the building.

[SP1!]

And what? Carson Palmer was a top 3 qb until he got hurt. Cassell was a back up and destroyed the league last year. Leinart is the only bust.

The Jets made a TREMENDOUS move today. Shonn Green is such a great pick for them. A power back to go with Thomas Jones. He was my #2 RB entering the draft. I should be on their staff.
Palmer had a great release valve and two good receivers in cincy along with a decent O-line, cassell doesnt count since he never even started a game, so basically one NFL caliber QB from a school that is supposed to be known for its offense and passing game. Not very impressive.

Also lets see what cassell can do outside of the NE system, we know he wont get 15 wins but I think we can see just how much he can get done in a different setting, all of that still doesnt change the fact that sanchez is woefully over hyped for playing one decent season.

[hammersavage]

Palmer had a great release valve and two good receivers in cincy along with a decent O-line, cassell doesnt count since he never even started a game, so basically one NFL caliber QB from a school that is supposed to be known for its offense and passing game. Not very impressive.

Noooo, 2 franchise QB's (Cassell just got a 6 year deal to start, that's a franchise QB whether he's as good as last year or not) in the last 8 years. Name another school that can say that. Go on, I'll wait.....

I don't give a fuck how many times he started at USC. He went there and didn't play cuz he was behind Palmer and Leinart. If anything, its a testament to how great of talent they get, even their back ups can be franchise QB's.

[epo]

Noooo, 2 franchise QB's (Cassell just got a 6 year deal to start, that's a franchise QB whether he's as good as last year or not) in the last 8 years. Name another school that can say that. Go on, I'll wait.....

I don't give a fuck how many times he started at USC. He went there and didn't play cuz he was behind Palmer and Leinart. If anything, its a testament to how great of talent they get, even their back ups can be franchise QB's.

How are you defining "franchise QB"....because under your definition (contractual reward), the great Scott Mitchell would've been a franchise QB.

[razorboy]

I don't give a fuck how many times he started at USC. He went there and didn't play cuz he was behind Palmer and Leinart. If anything, its a testament to how great of talent they get, even their back ups can be franchise QB's.

He couldn't even beat out JDB in 2007, if that tells you anything (and it should).

[hammersavage]

How are you defining "franchise QB"....because under your definition (contractual reward), the great Scott Mitchell would've been a franchise QB.

Started 15 games, got 6 year deal to be a franchise QB for a team. I'm not even saying he's that good but he's a franchise QB now. And was 'franchised' by the team before he left.

That makes 2 for USC. What other school has that?

[hammersavage]

He couldn't even beat out JDB in 2007, if that tells you anything (and it should).

It tells me something that he didn't start a game since high school yet went 10-5 as a starter, threw 23 td's and 4,000 yards. You can tell me its the system all you want, his arm strength was unmistakable. And the Pats kinda have a knack for finding hidden talent.

Almost every QB in the league would have sat behind those QB's if they went to USC.

[razorboy]

It tells me something that he didn't start a game since high school yet went 10-5 as a starter, threw 23 td's and 4,000 yards. You can tell me its the system all you want, his arm strength was unmistakable. And the Pats kinda have a knack for finding hidden talent.

Almost every QB in the league would have sat behind those QB's if they went to USC.

Sorry, I thought you were talking about Sanchez. That's who I was making reference to.

[hammersavage]

Sorry, I thought you were talking about Sanchez. That's who I was making reference to.

Oh alright.

But I'd defend him by looking at the USC track record. They do better at that position in the NFL than any other school recently. It's an NFL system, NFL coach, he should be able to step in and make a difference faster than most QB's.

[epo]

Started 15 games, got 6 year deal to be a franchise QB for a team. I'm not even saying he's that good but he's a franchise QB now. And was 'franchised' by the team before he left.

Just because Kansas City bought a bill of goods, doesn't make Cassell a real franchise QB.

That makes 2 for USC. What other school has that?

I really don't know nor do I care. Sanchez & Cassell's problems have nothing to do with them coming from USC, they stem from them being overrated.

[SP1!]

Started 15 games, got 6 year deal to be a franchise QB for a team. I'm not even saying he's that good but he's a franchise QB now. And was 'franchised' by the team before he left.

That makes 2 for USC. What other school has that?

Played, not started in 15 games, hes had one decent pro year in a great system lets hold down the accolades for a few years.

[hammersavage]

Just because Kansas City bought a bill of goods, doesn't make Cassell a real franchise QB.

I guess not yet technically. But he is in position to be one. He's gone through every process a franchise QB would go through. It's less likely that he won't be a franchise than he will. He clearly has arm strength and the ability to win. Going to an offensive guru coach. Everything points to a franchise QB except for something you don't like about him.

I really don't know nor do I care. Sanchez & Cassell's problems have nothing to do with them coming from USC, they stem from them being overrated.

Sorry, but I'll give some credence to a school's track record. It's one of the more reliable ways to evaluate talent, especially at a position or a system. That and my eyes, which saw Cassell make some plays last year that few in the NFL could make.

You can only say Sanchez is overrated in the technical sense because of where he got drafted but he hasn't even played a down yet. The Jets didn't think he would drop so so they moved up to get him.

[hammersavage]

Played, not started in 15 games, hes had one decent pro year in a great system lets hold down the accolades for a few years.

Wrong, played in 16, started in 15.

And he actually had a very good year considering they wouldn't let him throw for the first 2 starts. He's also going to another very good system, will that be his fault too? Is Tom Brady overrated because of it?

I'm not showering him with accolades, I'm saying he's Kansas City's FRANCHISE QB making that 2 for USC making them a viable breeding ground for NFL QB's. That's the only point I was trying to make. Still waiting on how many schools who can say that. Never did address that.

[Snoogans]

Wrong, played in 16, started in 15.

And he actually had a very good year considering they wouldn't let him throw for the first 2 starts. He's also going to another very good system, will that be his fault too? Is Tom Brady overrated because of it?

I'm not showering him with accolades, I'm saying he's Kansas City's FRANCHISE QB making that 2 for USC making them a viable breeding ground for NFL QB's. That's the only point I was trying to make. Still waiting on how many schools who can say that. Never did address that.

Somebody forgot to tell Matt Leinart

[epo]

Kudos to the NY Giants for selecting TE Travis Beckum. You got yourselves a steal.

[hammersavage]

Somebody forgot to tell Matt Leinart

So you look at the one that hasn't worked out as apposed to the 2 who did? Name a school that has more recent success at that position.

[disneyspy]

So you look at the one that hasn't worked out as apposed to the 2 who did? Name a school that has more recent success at that position.

university of michigan

[epo]

So you look at the one that hasn't worked out as apposed to the 2 who did? Name a school that has more recent success at that position.

Play that game and Josh David Booty must go into the mix.

[razorboy]

Play that game and Josh David Booty must go into the mix.

And John David Booty.

[hammersavage]

university of michigan

1. Unless you are counting Drew Henson, he succeeded at hoodwinking the Yankees. And shove Brian Griese up your ass.

Play that game and Josh David Booty must go into the mix.

I'm not saying every player at the school will be a pro bowler. But 2 in the last 8 years are.

[Snoogans]

So you look at the one that hasn't worked out as apposed to the 2 who did? Name a school that has more recent success at that position.

Miami of Ohio has 2 SB wins by one of their Qbs.



Mainly I was just taking a shot at Matt Leinart though. You need to relax. I personally dont give a fuck where guys went, as long as they can play

[hammersavage]

And John David Booty.

Haha, epo's stupid.

[Snoogans]

1. Unless you are counting Drew Henson, he succeeded at hoodwinking the Yankees. And shove Brian Griese up your ass.



I'm not saying every player at the school will be a pro bowler. But 2 in the last 8 years are.

Wait wait, so because Henson sucks, you kill all of Michigan? You are really gonna act like the current Carson Palmer and Matt Castle is better than Brady? Shit stick Henne on the list with Brady and I take them before the other 2

[disneyspy]

http://nfldraft.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=537412

[hammersavage]

Wait wait, so because Henson sucks, you kill all of Michigan? You are really gonna act like the current Carson Palmer and Matt Castle is better than Brady? Shit stick Henne on the list with Brady and I take them before the other 2

Your logic is that Brady proves that Michigan is a breeding ground for QB's? If that's the case, I'm logging off right now because this place is too stupid.

I'm not killing all of Michigan you dope. DS brougth up Michigan as an answer to what school has a better track record for NFL QB's, he said Michigan. He's also old and stupid and that makes no sense. They had 1.

[disneyspy]

Your logic is that Brady proves that Michigan is a breeding ground for QB's? If that's the case, I'm logging off right now because this place is too stupid.

I'm not killing all of Michigan you dope. DS brougth up Michigan as an answer to what school has a better track record for NFL QB's, he said Michigan. He's also old and stupid and that makes no sense. They had 1.

go blue,you stupid

[hammersavage]

http://nfldraft.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=537412

You linked a 3 year old article. Todd Collins, Scott Dreisbach, Elvis Grbac, Brian Griese, Drew Henson, John Navarre. That's their list without Brady obviously. They actually think that helps prove their point.

[Snoogans]

Your logic is that Brady proves that Michigan is a breeding ground for QB's? If that's the case, I'm logging off right now because this place is too stupid.

I'm not killing all of Michigan you dope. DS brougth up Michigan as an answer to what school has a better track record for NFL QB's, he said Michigan. He's also old and stupid and that makes no sense. They had 1.

I think we were goin on how the performace was though too. Thats my point. No USC is not a breeding ground for QBs. They have put out some good ones because they usually end up with the best players in teh country because they take anyone with any character issues and they dont make you go to class. So kids like to go there.

When I think USC, I think more about LB's and defense and shit. And bust RBs long before I think about QBs. So they put a few half decent QBs out. Again, MIAMI OF OHIO has a QB who has won more SBs than any of these USC bums

[Snoogans]

You linked a 3 year old article. Todd Collins, Scott Dreisbach, Elvis Grbac, Brian Griese, Drew Henson, John Navarre. That's their list without Brady obviously. They actually think that helps prove their point.

dont say they and throw me in there. Im not fighting for anyone. Im just pointing out to you its stupid to call any school a breeding ground, especially a school who gets the best players from HS at pretty much all positions.


And the QBs also arent that good. Leinart cant get ont he field, Palmer had 1 great season, and lets see Cassel without the best coach ever

[hammersavage]

I think we were goin on how the performace was though too. Thats my point. No USC is not a breeding ground for QBs. They have put out some good ones because they usually end up with the best players in teh country because they take anyone with any character issues and they dont make you go to class. So kids like to go there.

You're making a different point than what we were talking about. The point is that USC has the best recent track record for NFL QB's. Multiple franchise QB's, not any one individual player. So you put TCU as the best running back school because Tomlinson went there? Makes no sense.

I don't give a shit what the reasons are kids went there, that's retared. So Miami shouldn't get credit because young black kids like to go there. You gotta make some more sense.

When I think USC, I think more about LB's and defense and shit. And bust RBs long before I think about QBs. So they put a few half decent QBs out. Again, MIAMI OF OHIO has a QB who has won more SBs than any of these USC bums

They're a linebacker school first, as this draft proves. But also as good for QB's as any school, you can't watch the NFL and say its not. You're right, Miami of Ohio is QB U because of one player.

[hammersavage]

dont say they and throw me in there. Im not fighting for anyone. Im just pointing out to you its stupid to call any school a breeding ground, especially a school who gets the best players from HS at pretty much all positions.


And the QBs also arent that good. Leinart cant get ont he field, Palmer had 1 great season, and lets see Cassel without the best coach ever

I wasn't referencing you, I was referencing 'they' in the article.

So you are saying that you don't think certain schools at certain positions have a track record? Then every point you've ever had about football is invalid cuz that's just not true. I don't care if they get every great HS player in the country, they still play in the NFL, its a fact.

You can say they aren't that good, at least that argument makes sense. I would disagree and so would the 2 NFL teams who start them.

[Snoogans]

You're making a different point than what we were talking about. The point is that USC has the best recent track record for NFL QB's. Multiple franchise QB's, not any one individual player. So you put TCU as the best running back school because Tomlinson went there? Makes no sense.

I don't give a shit what the reasons are kids went there, that's retared. So Miami shouldn't get credit because young black kids like to go there. You gotta make some more sense.



They're a linebacker school first, as this draft proves. But also as good for QB's as any school, you can't watch the NFL and say its not. You're right, Miami of Ohio is QB U because of one player.

Again I just said that that QB had more success. Im not arguing against you in terms of USC having good QBs come out, but you should care why people go there. Its alot easier to keep putting out good NFL prospects when they all come to your college. They dont mold these Qbs and make them stars. They already had that ability when they got there. They just happened to choose to go to the best school in a nice place.

And yes I can watch the NFL and say they arent cause the QBs really arent that good. Just cause a school puts QBs into the NFL doesnt mean they are great QBs. Think back to all the 90's Florida QBs that made it to the NFL and blew ass. You cant just say they put out great QBs just cause they have 4 in the league

[epo]

You're making a different point than what we were talking about. The point is that USC has the best recent track record for NFL QB's. Multiple franchise QB's, not any one individual player.

You've convinced me that if I want a mediocre QB in the NFL, I shall look to USC to deliver the goods.

[Snoogans]

I wasn't referencing you, I was referencing 'they' in the article.

So you are saying that you don't think certain schools at certain positions have a track record? Then every point you've ever had about football is invalid cuz that's just not true. I don't care if they get every great HS player in the country, they still play in the NFL, its a fact.

You can say they aren't that good, at least that argument makes sense. I would disagree and so would the 2 NFL teams who start them.

NFL teams have started Dave Brown. One starts Tavaris Jackson. Do you think these are good QBs?

And you should care. USC better put more kids into the NFL when they have more of the best kids as compared to say a Virginia who never gets near the caliber of kids USC does. It changes alot.

And again, you cant act like they are great just cause they play in the NFL. You have to look at how they actually do in the NFL. Otherwise you eventually become known for putting out bust QBs, like Florida. Shit by your logic, if Britt and Underwood are decent, we can start to lean toward Rutgers being WR U? Stop it.

[hammersavage]

Again I just said that that QB had more success. Im not arguing against you in terms of USC having good QBs come out, but you should care why people go there. Its alot easier to keep putting out good NFL prospects when they all come to your college. They dont mold these Qbs and make them stars. They already had that ability when they got there. They just happened to choose to go to the best school in a nice place.

And yes I can watch the NFL and say they arent cause the QBs really arent that good. Just cause a school puts QBs into the NFL doesnt mean they are great QBs. Think back to all the 90's Florida QBs that made it to the NFL and blew ass. You cant just say they put out great QBs just cause they have 4 in the league

Why would I care? If they went to Bergen Community College and multiple QB's became franchise quarterbacks, I'd say that Bergen Community College has a track record for NFL QB's. I don't care about the school, I recognize the situation on the NFL level.

And I also don't care about Florida in the 90's. I'll say my point in one sentence.

IT'S THE ONLY RECENT SCHOOL WITH 2 NFL FRANCHISE QB'S AND FOR THAT THEY SHOULD GET CREDIT FOR DEVELOPING PRO TALENT AT THE POSITION. SANCHEZ, ALTHOUGH MAY NOT PAN OUT, SHOULD BE GIVEN CREDIT FOR GOING TO SAID SCHOOL.

[epo]

SANCHEZ, ALTHOUGH MAY NOT PAN OUT, SHOULD BE GIVEN CREDIT FOR GOING TO SAID SCHOOL.

Why should Sanchez be given credit for going to USC?

[hammersavage]

You've convinced me that if I want a mediocre QB in the NFL, I shall look to USC to deliver the goods.

So Palmer threw 32, 28, and 26 td's and over 4,000 yards from 05-07 and that's mediocre? What's average to you?

And again, you cant act like they are great just cause they play in the NFL. You have to look at how they actually do in the NFL. Otherwise you eventually become known for putting out bust QBs, like Florida. Shit by your logic, if Britt and Underwood are decent, we can start to lean toward Rutgers being WR U? Stop it.

No no, not just because they play in the NFL. I'm actually looking at what they do in the NFL. One has multiple pro bowls and the other went 10-5 in his first year and got 6 years to be a franchise QB. I'm dealing with facts here.

Yes, if Britt and Underwood develop into studs, more high school WR's will go there if Schaino's there because they will see his system as a stepping stone to NFL success. It's why certain schools get certain positions. This is how it works.

[hammersavage]

Why should Sanchez be given credit for going to USC?

Because the school has proven to develop quarterbacks who can flourish in the NFL in recent years.

[Snoogans]

Why would I care? If they went to Bergen Community College and multiple QB's became franchise quarterbacks, I'd say that Bergen Community College has a track record for NFL QB's. I don't care about the school, I recognize the situation on the NFL level.

And I also don't care about Florida in the 90's. I'll say my point in one sentence.

IT'S THE ONLY RECENT SCHOOL WITH 2 NFL FRANCHISE QB'S AND FOR THAT THEY SHOULD GET CREDIT FOR DEVELOPING PRO TALENT AT THE POSITION. SANCHEZ, ALTHOUGH MAY NOT PAN OUT, SHOULD BE GIVEN CREDIT FOR GOING TO SAID SCHOOL.
Ok im gonna break down just whats in caps:

First off. At any given time USC has like 5 QBs that could start at most any program in teh US. As compared to alot of school who have maybe 1 QB that could compete somewhere else. Is that cause all these QBs say to themselves well I need to go to USC to be developed into a good QB? You are almost killing your own point. You dont care where they went, you just recognize where they come from.

Thats like bragging that Ramapo HS has better football players than Mahwah. Well, yea they do, cause they have like 2000 kids to choose from as opposed to 500. You HAVE to take that into account. USC doesnt develop franchise QBs, they get them to sign at their school. Shit cassel couldnt even see there field there cause they had so many great players at the position, so you better fuckin expect them to have a few get to the NFL.

When you label a school as being known for putting out a certain potition, thats usually based on NFL PERFORMANCE. They didnt start calling Penn State LB U cause they had a bunch get drafted. Its because they went on to be great NFL LBers.

I will not call USC a QB school. They just have so many guys on the team at each position that they put tons into the NFL.

[Snoogans]

So Palmer threw 32, 28, and 26 td's and over 4,000 yards from 05-07 and that's mediocre? What's average to you?



No no, not just because they play in the NFL. I'm actually looking at what they do in the NFL. One has multiple pro bowls and the other went 10-5 in his first year and got 6 years to be a franchise QB. I'm dealing with facts here.

Yes, if Britt and Underwood develop into studs, more high school WR's will go there if Schaino's there because they will see his system as a stepping stone to NFL success. It's why certain schools get certain positions. This is how it works.

wow you arent dealing with facts very well. Because its about more than just numbers. If you even think Cassel is a 500 QB in another place, you are fuckin nuts. He had the success he had because of the quality of the team and receivers he had, and mostly cause the coach built a game plan to help him. Cassel will not do the same things in KC.


And Palmer is only lesser now cause of his knee. Ill give you that. But its 1 guy. The 3rd "franchise" qb cant get on the field over a 40 year old. Stop it. They had 1 great QB, one solid one who got lucky, and one bum. Thats just average.

[Snoogans]

Because the school has proven to develop quarterbacks who can flourish in the NFL in recent years.

NO THEY HAVENT. They have proven they will take 6 QBs a year and find the one that has NFL ability. They dont build them there, they just get the best ones. You have to stop underestimating HOW MUCH THAT HELPS

[hammersavage]

When you label a school as being known for putting out a certain potition, thats usually based on NFL PERFORMANCE. They didnt start calling Penn State LB U cause they had a bunch get drafted. Its because they went on to be great NFL LBers.

For the last time, name a school who has had better recent success based on PERFORMANCE at the position. Over more than one player of course. If you just think Palmer and Cassell just suck, again that's stupid but at least that's your opinion. 2 NFL teams who employ them to run their offense would disagree but its your opinion.

[Snoogans]

For the last time, name a school who has had better recent success based on PERFORMANCE at the position. Over more than one player of course. If you just think Palmer and Cassell just suck, again that's stupid but at least that's your opinion. 2 NFL teams who employ them to run their offense would disagree but its your opinion.

See here is the thing. NO THEY WOULDNT. Palmer, I SAID ALREADY, sucks cause of his knee. thats unfortunate, but right now, he isnt good. Cassel IS A LUCKY FUCK WHO CAUGHT A PERFECT SITUATION.

He isnt a bad QB, but lets slow down before we act like he is another Tom Brady. And guess where Cassel DEVELOPED MOST. UNDER BELLECHICK. Not under fuckin Pete Carrol

[disneyspy]

(U of M)tom brady+patriots=3 superbowls and playoffs
(U Suck Cock)cassel+patriots=0 playoffs

[Snoogans]

(U of M)tom brady+patriots=3 superbowls and playoffs
(U Suck Cock)cassel+patriots=0 playoffs

you cant do that either, though. See hammer seems to think im tellin him USC doesnt have solid QBs in the NFL. Im not telling you that. Im sayin USC doesnt really do shit to develop them other than offer them a scholarship. They dont have to build kids like other programs cause the kids they get are so fuckin good already. Is that bad, NO OF COURSE NOT. But it is true and has to be taken into account

[hammersavage]

Stop it. They had 1 great QB, one solid one who got lucky, and one bum. Thats just average.

I don't care if you think Cassell will be just average, but this season, USC will have 2 starting QB's (who I think will both do very well but regardless) and a back up who I'm not even ready to write off completely yet but lets just say he was. That's still better than any school.

NO THEY HAVENT. They have proven they will take 6 QBs a year and find the one that has NFL ability. They dont build them there, they just get the best ones. You have to stop underestimating HOW MUCH THAT HELPS

Thank you. That just proved my point. They get the best talent and learn to play in an NFL system. GM's recognize it as a breeding ground, this is a fact.

I don't care about the situation on the college level. I'm looking at it on the NFL level. You can hate that they get so many good kids, I don't care. They also get more kids drafted and one of the positions is QB.

[sailor]

Why should Sanchez be given credit for going to USC?

the same reason we'd look down upon penn state rb's?

[hammersavage]

See here is the thing. NO THEY WOULDNT. Palmer, I SAID ALREADY, sucks cause of his knee. thats unfortunate, but right now, he isnt good. Cassel IS A LUCKY FUCK WHO CAUGHT A PERFECT SITUATION.

He isnt a bad QB, but lets slow down before we act like he is another Tom Brady. And guess where Cassel DEVELOPED MOST. UNDER BELLECHICK. Not under fuckin Pete Carrol

I'm not anointing him, nor Sanchez for that matter, Tom Brady. Go back and read.

you cant do that either, though. See hammer seems to think im tellin him USC doesnt have solid QBs in the NFL. Im not telling you that. Im sayin USC doesnt really do shit to develop them other than offer them a scholarship. They dont have to build kids like other programs cause the kids they get are so fuckin good already. Is that bad, NO OF COURSE NOT. But it is true and has to be taken into account

Snoogans, baby, I don't give a shit about the collegiate level. Fuck USC in the ass, I hate them. I look at the NFL and work back. 2 highly successful starters NOW. I could give a fuck where they came from. From a pro GM's perspective, which is was I'm arguing, is that USC has had multiple successful qb's in recent years.

[hammersavage]

the same reason we'd look down upon penn state rb's?

Kinda. Larry Johnson started to dispell that but who knows now.

Some schools because of recruiting and conference tendencies, don't put out good NFL players at certain positions. Some put out great pros at certain positions. USC recently puts out successful linebackers, DB's, and quarterbacks.

[Snoogans]

I don't care if you think Cassell will be just average, but this season, USC will have 2 starting QB's (who I think will both do very well but regardless) and a back up who I'm not even ready to write off completely yet but lets just say he was. That's still better than any school.



Thank you. That just proved my point. They get the best talent and learn to play in an NFL system. GM's recognize it as a breeding ground, this is a fact.

I don't care about the situation on the college level. I'm looking at it on the NFL level. You can hate that they get so many good kids, I don't care. They also get more kids drafted and one of the positions is QB.

YOU ARE RIGHT. Ive said a whole bunch you are right. But you are wrong WHY. Its NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE KNOWN FOR BEING A BREEDING GROUND. Its just cause law of averages. If USC gets 10 great QB recruits, and school x gets 1, good fuckin chance USC is gonna look better. Its not cause the team develops it better. its cause they have better product to work with. If you dont think thats right, look at Rutgers.

Look at what Schiano got out of a bum like Mike Teel. NO FUCKIN CHANCE he is near that good playing at USC. They wouldnt even know how to deal with a guy with that little talent cause they never see it. They dont coach them to shit.

USC is like Phil Jackson. If they DONT put out pros and win, they fail, because they have no excuse not to. They arent that good, they just get the best weapons. And that leads to having more weapons to send to the NFL. Not cause you are great with them, just cause you happen to have most of them

[epo]

Snoogans, baby, I don't give a shit about the collegiate level. Fuck USC in the ass, I hate them. I look at the NFL and work back. 2 highly successful starters NOW. I could give a fuck where they came from. From a pro GM's perspective, which is was I'm arguing, is that USC has had multiple successful qb's in recent years.

This is my whole problem with your argument. Matt Cassell is NOT a highly successful NFL QB yet.

Prove something in Kansas City and I'll agree with you.

[Snoogans]

I'm not anointing him, nor Sanchez for that matter, Tom Brady. Go back and read.



Snoogans, baby, I don't give a shit about the collegiate level. Fuck USC in the ass, I hate them. I look at the NFL and work back. 2 highly successful starters NOW. I could give a fuck where they came from. From a pro GM's perspective, which is was I'm arguing, is that USC has had multiple successful qb's in recent years.

THEY DONT HAVE 2 HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL STARTERS NOW. THEY HAVE ZERO. Carson Palmer is not what he was in 05-07, he is not a great QB now. He is bad now. And cassel has one year and you are acting like he is highly successful. He was in the BEST POSSIBLE PLACE TO SUCCEED. It was just a lucky situation. May he be great? Could be. But lets slow down right now. HE NEVER EVEN PLAYED A DOWN AT USC. They didnt develop him. The NFL did

[hammersavage]

YOU ARE RIGHT. Ive said a whole bunch you are right. But you are wrong WHY. Its NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE KNOWN FOR BEING A BREEDING GROUND. Its just cause law of averages. If USC gets 10 great QB recruits, and school x gets 1, good fuckin chance USC is gonna look better. Its not cause the team develops it better. its cause they have better product to work with. If you dont think thats right, look at Rutgers

The team does develop them better. Its a fact that they have a better understanding of NFL systems when they come out. They play for an NFL coach.

[Snoogans]

The team does develop them better. Its a fact that they have a better understanding of NFL systems when they come out. They play for an NFL coach.

they play for a coach who failed SO MISERABLY in the NFL. Keep that in mind.

And no they dont. Cassel was good with NE cause he spent 3 years in NE. Not cause of what happened at USC. And again, you better be able to have your QBs play better when they are better players. Its not better coaching, its more talent. And as much as you seem to think TALENT LEVEL has no relation to what you put in the NFL, you are wrong. Pete Carrol is not the best coach in college football. He just usually has the best shit to work with, and it makes him look great. He isnt that great

[hammersavage]

This is my whole problem with your argument. Matt Cassell is NOT a highly successful NFL QB yet.

Prove something in Kansas City and I'll agree with you.

He had the success that highly successful QB's begin with. What more could he have done than what he did?

Get drafted by a different team? (not his choice) He was given an opportunity and flourished. For that, he was given a franchise job.

And don't forget he's going into another offensive mind, will that be held against him to?

So Brady is overrated because of the system he played in then? I like it.

[Snoogans]

for hammer:

Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Sean Salisbury, Rodney Peete, Pat Haden, Matt Cassel, Bill Nelsen, Pete Beathard, Vince Evans, Paul McDonald, Todd Marinovich, Rob Johnson.


Thats every QB who ever played for USC and then the NFL. WOW WHAT A KNOCK DOWN LIST OF HALL OF FAMERS.

Stop it. they have a few lately. It happens to coincide with them becoming the only great program on teh entire west coast, and pulling in every best player from every state. Its not cause they were known for bringin up QBs and so they all wanna go there. They wanna go there cause they would move into the best talent and a beautiful place and thats it

[Snoogans]

He had the success that highly successful QB's begin with. What more could he have done than what he did?

Get drafted by a different team? (not his choice) He was given an opportunity and flourished. For that, he was given a franchise job.

And don't forget he's going into another offensive mind, will that be held against him to?

So Brady is overrated because of the system he played in then? I like it.

Yea dickhead. Cause cassel's one big year is so much the same as all brady did for his WHOLE CAREER. You really dont see where you are so incredibly flawed in your logic?

[hammersavage]

they play for a coach who failed SO MISERABLY in the NFL. Keep that in mind.

And no they dont. Cassel was good with NE cause he spent 3 years in NE. Not cause of what happened at USC. And again, you better be able to have your QBs play better when they are better players. Its not better coaching, its more talent. And as much as you seem to think TALENT LEVEL has no relation to what you put in the NFL, you are wrong. Pete Carrol is not the best coach in college football. He just usually has the best shit to work with, and it makes him look great. He isnt that great

Fuck Pete Carrol in the ass, he was a shitty NFL coach, I'm not defending him. Some coaches are better in college. So Schiano would be a bad coach if he went to the NFL and failed. Seperate jobs.

But he's a great college coach. USC always got good talent but he gets the absolute best. And then teaches QB's an NFL system so when they get to the NFL, they are prepared. GM's take that into consideration.

[Snoogans]

Fuck Pete Carrol in the ass, he was a shitty NFL coach, I'm not defending him. Some coaches are better in college. So Schiano would be a bad coach if he went to the NFL and failed. Seperate jobs.

But he's a great college coach. USC always got good talent but he gets the absolute best. And then teaches QB's an NFL system so when they get to the NFL, they are prepared. GM's take that into consideration.

he doesnt teach QBs an NFL system cause of the NFL you ass. He runs a pro style offense just cause thats what he runs. Alot of schools do that. Its not cause he wants to get guys ready for the NFL. Its just what he knows and how he tries to win at the college level. Fuck again, Rutgers runs a pro set. Pete Carrol would not get the performance out of that talent that Schiano and probably 20 other coaches would. Cause he isnt that good.

And if they trust pete carrol so much, why did anyone take sanchez? According to old pete, Mark fucked up and was NOT ready. GMs didnt seem to agree with that

[hammersavage]

for hammer:

Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Sean Salisbury, Rodney Peete, Pat Haden, Matt Cassel, Bill Nelsen, Pete Beathard, Vince Evans, Paul McDonald, Todd Marinovich, Rob Johnson.


Thats every QB who ever played for USC and then the NFL. WOW WHAT A KNOCK DOWN LIST OF HALL OF FAMERS.

Stop it. they have a few lately. It happens to coincide with them becoming the only great program on teh entire west coast, and pulling in every best player from every state. Its not cause they were known for bringin up QBs and so they all wanna go there. They wanna go there cause they would move into the best talent and a beautiful place and thats it

I said recent history. 3 on that list in the last 10 years, under Carroll. Everyone before then can die.

Yea dickhead. Cause cassel's one big year is so much the same as all brady did for his WHOLE CAREER. You really dont see where you are so incredibly flawed in your logic?

Cassell did more in his first year in that system than Brady did. But when Cassell flourished it was the system and when Brady flourished it was Brady. Be consistent. I don't give two shits about Matt Cassell, he's just a current franchise QB. You don't make that trade and give that contract if he's not.


I'm caught up in a debate now that I don't want to have. Fuck USC and Tom Brady in the mouth. This:

I still find it amazing that people put that tag to any USC QB, hell the most known USC quarterback recently is one that never even started a game for them, sanchez's release may be his downfall.

is just dumb. USC has 2 current franchise QB's. So to find it amazing that people would put that tag on a USC QB is stupid and I'm dumber for reading it.

[Snoogans]

I said recent history. 3 on that list in the last 10 years, under Carroll. Everyone before then can die.



Cassell did more in his first year in that system than Brady did. But when Cassell flourished it was the system and when Brady flourished it was Brady. Be consistent. I don't give two shits about Matt Cassell, he's just a current franchise QB. You don't make that trade and give that contract if he's not.


I'm caught up in a debate now that I don't want to have. Fuck USC and Tom Brady in the mouth. This:



is just dumb. USC has 2 current franchise QB's. So to find it amazing that people would put that tag on a USC QB is stupid and I'm dumber for reading it.

i dont acknowledge what sp1 posts. I figured you smart enough to be to that point already.

And see again with the cassel brady thing. You are over simplifying it. Brady had success in teh system for years. Won a few SUPERBOWLS, and had probably the best single season passing EVER. That was the first season he actually had receiving, btw. Continually, Brady proved he was good year after year. Cassell, in terms of a guy falling into his first starts ever, COULDNT HAVE BEEN IN A BETTER PLACE. Is the same true for Brady? To a point, but no. The patriots team that cassel started with was WAY better than the one Brady did. Even you know that.

Im not saying Cassel wont be good, but it was 1 year. Tons of QBs have 1 lucky year, see Derek Anderson. Brady proved he was the real deal. Let Cassell do that before you jiz all over him

[hammersavage]

i dont acknowledge what sp1 posts. I figured you smart enough to be to that point already.

And see again with the cassel brady thing. You are over simplifying it. Brady had success in teh system for years. Won a few SUPERBOWLS, and had probably the best single season passing EVER. That was the first season he actually had receiving, btw. Continually, Brady proved he was good year after year. Cassell, in terms of a guy falling into his first starts ever, COULDNT HAVE BEEN IN A BETTER PLACE. Is the same true for Brady? To a point, but no. The patriots team that cassel started with was WAY better than the one Brady did. Even you know that.

Im not saying Cassel wont be good, but it was 1 year. Tons of QBs have 1 lucky year, see Derek Anderson. Brady proved he was the real deal. Let Cassell do that before you jiz all over him

He brought up the dumb point, you butted in and pulled me away from it. Damn you for that.

They sure did have a lot of injuries last year but it was definitely a better situation. If I have to say fuck Matt Cassell, I don't give a shit about him again, I'm gonna lose my shit. He had a great year in, granted, a very good situation. No he's a franchise QB, that's just a fact. Let him die in a fire, fuck him I don't care.

[Snoogans]

He brought up the dumb point, you butted in and pulled me away from it. Damn you for that.

They sure did have a lot of injuries last year but it was definitely a better situation. If I have to say fuck Matt Cassell, I don't give a shit about him again, I'm gonna lose my shit. He had a great year in, granted, a very good situation. No he's a franchise QB, that's just a fact. Let him die in a fire, fuck him I don't care.

good.......Pete Carrol sucks.


Like you could possibly be right anyway, you have never even been laid

[hammersavage]

good.......Pete Carrol sucks.


Like you could possibly be right anyway, you have never even been laid

No but I heard a really good description of what its like once. Sounds awesome.


Hey Bergen County, is Garden State Mall open today? Or are they still faggots closed on Sundays?

[Snoogans]

No but I heard a really good description of what its like once. Sounds awesome.


Hey Bergen County, is Garden State Mall open today? Or are they still faggots closed on Sundays?

closed. Willowbrook or Palisades. Stay out of our county

[Snoogans]

Just to add to my point. Pete Carrol and USC are like Coach K and Duke. Yea they do a real good job of developing guys to go flop in the pros. For the most part, the guys dont play as well as they should in the NFL. Fuck them all. They arent good coaches. Thats why you can COUNT on them blowing a game every year. In USC's case, usually against some bum school.

[Gvac]

So far so good for my boys.

# QB Matthew Stafford (Georgia)
# TE Brandon Pettigrew (Okla. St.)
# S Louis Delmas (WMU)
# LB DeAndre Levy (Wisconsin)
# WR Derrick Williams (Penn State)
# DT Sammie Lee Hill (Stillman)

Did you see the new logo, by the way?


http://www.detroitlions.com/photos/Photo8_090420.jpg

[sailor]

what happened to the texans? trading down again?

[Gvac]

what happened to the texans? trading down again?

I want to get in on the ground floor.

[HBox]

So far so good for my boys.

# QB Matthew Stafford (Georgia)
# TE Brandon Pettigrew (Okla. St.)
# S Louis Delmas (WMU)
# LB DeAndre Levy (Wisconsin)
# WR Derrick Williams (Penn State)
# DT Sammie Lee Hill (Stillman)

Did you see the new logo, by the way?


http://www.detroitlions.com/photos/Photo8_090420.jpg

You are well on your way to 3-13.

[hammersavage]

Seattle got a steal. I knew he was too talented to not get drafted. Get that Seahawk Teel jersey ordered Snoogans.

[K.C.]

Got to say I really like the Eagles' draft.

I know the ham n egger fans out there will bitch about them not trading picks for Boldin, but they got everything they needed.

[SP1!]

Wrong, played in 16, started in 15.

And he actually had a very good year considering they wouldn't let him throw for the first 2 starts. He's also going to another very good system, will that be his fault too? Is Tom Brady overrated because of it?

I'm not showering him with accolades, I'm saying he's Kansas City's FRANCHISE QB making that 2 for USC making them a viable breeding ground for NFL QB's. That's the only point I was trying to make. Still waiting on how many schools who can say that. Never did address that.

Matt Cassel never started a college game at QB, never had a good season, fuck he never even threw a TD pass.

College career(link) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Cassel#College_career)

Cassel spent his entire Trojan career as a backup behind Heisman Trophy winners Carson Palmer [9] and Matt Leinart. Cassel was the backup for Palmer during his Heisman-winning 2002 season. In the fall, Cassel lost the battle for the starting position to the previous third-string quarterback in Leinart. As a result of Leinart's success, Cassel spent time at tight end and wide receiver in 2001, and some special teams that year. He started at half-back against California once as well,even making his lone collegiate start at that position. During his four seasons there, Cassel completed 19 of 33 passes for 192 yards, with no touchdowns and one interception.[10]

Cassel, a communication major at USC, was also roommates with current Pittsburgh Steelers safety Troy Polamalu[11] and Carson Palmer.[12]

Cassel played one season of baseball for USC in 2004, he had an 0-1 record with 10 strikeouts and 4 walks, he played in 8 games and started 1. Cassel struck out in his only at bat in college. He also had 2 saves with a 9.35 ERA, and was selected by the Oakland Athletics in the 36th round of the 2004 MLB Draft.[13]

And here (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CassMa00.htm)at the bottom of the reference for football is his whole college career, less than 200 yards total passing for his entire career.

USC is not a qb factory, one year does not a franchise qb make and carson palmer has turned to shit once teams figured out his tendencies, hes serviceable as a qb but to say hes a franchise qb? Thats just fucking crazy, even after his few years in the league hes not worth what stafford got this year or even what ryan got last year.

To even think that cassel didnt walk into a great fucking scenario last year is just insane, he had a team that was one win away from being undefeated, even brady cant say that. If he can even come close to what joe montana did in KC then he may be worthy to be mentioned as a franchise qb but rest assured his being designated as a franchise qb had nothing to do with him being the franchise as much as it had to do with NE not wanting to lose him and get nothing in return.

i dont acknowledge what sp1 posts. I figured you smart enough to be to that point already.

You just never want to admit that Im right about rutgers being a flash in the pan and that Schiano will leave soon

[HBox]

Got to say I really like the Eagles' draft.

I know the ham n egger fans out there will bitch about them not trading picks for Boldin, but they got everything they needed.

Judging right now, which ultimately doesn't matter at all, I think this is the best looking Eagles draft I've ever seen. If you include trades they made with their draft picks they get Jason Peters, Ellis Hobbs, Jeremy Maclin, LeSean McCoy, Cornelius Ingram and Butch Harris. I like this better than the Sheppard, Brown and Lewis draft at this point. And ironically with the addition of Hobbs none of those three might be here opening day.

[hammersavage]

Judging right now, which ultimately doesn't matter at all, I think this is the best looking Eagles draft I've ever seen. If you include trades they made with their draft picks they get Jason Peters, Ellis Hobbs, Jeremy Maclin, LeSean McCoy, Cornelius Ingram and Butch Harris. I like this better than the Sheppard, Brown and Lewis draft at this point. And ironically with the addition of Hobbs none of those three might be here opening day.

I like it too. But do you think that Maclin is a perfect fit with Jackson already there? Wouldn't have a different receiver been a better fit with what they have? Eagles fan would know better than me on this.