Is it time to give up trying to solve Global Warming?

[DolaMight]

I mean it seemed impossible, yet a fun little challenge when they wrote up the kyoto protocol over 15 years ago and everyone knows the story.. India and China refused to sign ... US used that as an excuse not to sign and deal's done.

20 years later we're still just talkin about it, some movies did OK at the box office for it, politicians occasionally throw some symbolic money at it for self serving re-election reasons, and the majority of the protesters are still not being listened to because they refuse to wash their hair and like to throw burning things.

Yet the planet is still gettin warmer, icecaps still melting, there's more and more data coming in all the time giving man plausible deniabitly that it's it's not caused by man but scientifically speaking mother earth is merely on her period ie new iceage or whathaveyou. There's lots of theories that it's already too late and too immense to fix things even if it was manmade.

I'm still leaning a little that's it's caused by mankind but what the fuck do I know or the egghead scientists, as good as they are, they're still preaching theories after all.

We know the economy is on life support, that's real, that's something you really can do something about. Is it really worth spending any money on this cause when that money can be given back to taxpayers or into social programs?

[Gvac]

Yes, because it doesn't exist.

It's fucking freezing right now.

[DolaMight]

Yes, because it doesn't exist.

It's fucking freezing right now.

that's just called winter it came around about this same time last year.

[Furtherman]

it's not caused by man but scientifically speaking mother earth is merely on her period ie new iceage or whathaveyou.

That is basically what is happening.

I wouldn't phrase it as giving up trying to "solve" global warming, because we cannot control Earth.

What we should all do is be more mindful of the environment and respect what we have. The planet will change. Seas will rise. Seas will fall. We're just here along for the ride so we might as well make the best of it and clean up as much as we can after ourselves.

Just don't go buying into pseudo-scientific crap like An Inconvenient Truth or all the "green" marketing that will come out. They are people making money off of the uninformed masses' fear.

[DolaMight]

That is basically what is happening.

I wouldn't phrase it as giving up trying to "solve" global warming, because we cannot control Earth.

What we should all do is be more mindful of the environment and respect what we have. The planet will change. Seas will rise. Seas will fall. We're just here along for the ride so we might as well make the best of it and clean up as much as we can after ourselves.

Just don't go buying into pseudo-scientific crap like An Inconvenient Truth or all the "green" marketing that will come out. They are people making money off of the uninformed masses' fear.

I phrased it that way because many believe that is what has to be done. Stop polluting and then the earth will cool down, now gimme some money. Like it's that simple.

I like initiatives that the movement spawns like more efficient engines and alternative fuels but that's because it's good for more reasons than just environmental. That seems to be what Obama is focusing some of the stimulus trillions on, he's very careful not to use the term global warming when pitching it... but I wonder. When you're printing the money to spend with no gold reserves to back it does it really seem worth it? it just means your money is now worth less.

[Furtherman]

When you're printing the money to spend with no gold reserves to back it does it really seem worth it? it just means your money is now worth less.

We've been doing that since the 70's.

[DolaMight]

We've been doing that since the 70's.

thank nixon but never in this unprecedented ratio to gdp.

[epo]

The "global warming/cooling" activists and haters are in the wrong debate. Instead of arguing about an effect, they should be discussing the root cause.

CO2 emissions. That's the discussion.

We have produced a ridiculous level of CO2 which is unnatural to the point in which it is effecting the Earth's natural cycles. I believe scientists tell us that we need to reduce our emissions to 365/parts per million and then we can stop the acceleration of whatever cycle we've created.

Can we reduce the CO2 emissions? Certainly. In fact entire industries can be spawned from the innovations of clean energy and production. It could in fact help our struggling global economy to fix this problem....and save ourselves.

[STC-Dub]

Has all that much work been actually spent on solving the problem? There have been attempts to slow it down, but most of the scientific work until recently was arguing whether or not it actually exists.

[instrument]

When did we start trying to solve it?

[Contra]

I think obama is trying to focus more on natural gas engines as more of a Fuck You to OPEC and big oil rather than because of global warming.

[sr71blackbird]

Just in time. I work for a natural gas company and they are doing their best to limit sales.

[Gvac]

that's just called winter it came around about this same time last year.

Uhmmm...we're 3 days into Spring.

Where ya been?

[Devo37]

assuming that global climate change is man-made (which is a big assumption), the problem is that for every first-world country that is trying to help the situation, there's a third-world country that is not. for poorer countries, mere survival trumps trying to save the planet.

i'm all for being environmentally aware, but now is not the best time to be spending money on an unproven, trendy cause simply because it's the cool thing to do, especially when our efforts would be negated by the actions of countries who can't afford to do so.

[DolaMight]

Uhmmm...we're 3 days into Spring.

Where ya been?

Canada, winter doesn't end until July 4th. We call it the no snow day.

[sailor]

Canada, winter doesn't end until July 4th. We call it the no snow day.

that's our day. pick another date, canuck.

[ToiletCrusher]

The planet eats and cools to extremes and it is cyclical. When it happens again, it will erase the marks we left on the earth giving the remaining living inhabitants a clean slate.

Our efforts are vain.

[tanless1]

taxbreaks to all co2 emiters, gives us a longer growing season. and cheer up greater water coverage = lower temp sounds like a natural cycle .

[epo]

assuming that global climate change is man-made (which is a big assumption), the problem is that for every first-world country that is trying to help the situation, there's a third-world country that is not. for poorer countries, mere survival trumps trying to save the planet.

i'm all for being environmentally aware, but now is not the best time to be spending money on an unproven, trendy cause simply because it's the cool thing to do, especially when our efforts would be negated by the actions of countries who can't afford to do so.



Now is the EXACT time to lead the cause in reducing CO2 consumption.

[Gvac]

We should be spending money trying to stop the sky from falling too!

And trying to help that little boy who keeps crying "wolf!"

You global warming nerds are going to go down in history as being more ignorant than the people who thought the earth was flat and was the center of the universe.

Buncha rubes.

Junk science at its worst. Or maybe its best.

[torker]

My old girlfriend could solve Global Warming just by sucking my dick.

[Furtherman]

Read this. The man speaks the truth.

Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html)

But if there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. And the uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner, who for 35 years has been using every known scientific method to study sea levels all over the globe, is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story.

Despite fluctuations down as well as up, "the sea is not rising," he says. "It hasn't risen in 50 years." If there is any rise this century it will "not be more than 10cm (four inches), with an uncertainty of plus or minus 10cm". And quite apart from examining the hard evidence, he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by Al Gore and Co could not possibly come about.

[CountryBob]

I dont worry about "global warming" but i do worry about the CO2 emissions - mainly from the other countries in the world that arent regulated or even monitored. Everything going "green" is a waste of time if the whole world dosent do it. I have worked many years in the coal industry and understand how the burning of carbon fuels releases the ungodly amounts of CO2. They have a new study in place by sequestering the trapped CO2 in underground caves - just might work.

[A.J.]

Read this. The man speaks the truth.

Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html)

Yeah but Ron and Gvac are still going to want to pave the oceans.

[scottinnj]

I vote yes. But that doesn't mean I don't want to switch from carbon energy to renewable cleaner energy.
I've never been convinced that mankind is causing this. I've always felt this is some sort of phase in the cycle of the Earth, and that we didn't cause it, nor can we stop it.
I'm interested in becoming a more energy efficient country on the sole reason of national security. I'm tired of having the USA involved in the Middle East's problems simply because we need to buy their oil.

I'm all for raising CAFE standards, tax breaks for purchasing hybrid and electric cars, and I'd like to see the government either fund the research or give tax credits to heavy truck and equipment manufacturing companies like Freightliner, Peterbilt, Caterpillar and John Deere to develop machinery that runs on alternative fuels.

[SP1!]

Anyone who is 100% certain man is causing global warming is just brainwashed, but in light of that there is no harm in trying to burn cleaner fuel and stop pollution just from a clean stand point.

Buuuuuut, I will never be in favor of any treaty that says the US and other industrialized nations should cripple themselves and let developing nations be exempt from the treaty, especially if that nation has a huge GDP(china) or is taking all of our call center jobs(india).

[epo]

I vote yes. But that doesn't mean I don't want to switch from carbon energy to renewable cleaner energy.
I've never been convinced that mankind is causing this. I've always felt this is some sort of phase in the cycle of the Earth, and that we didn't cause it, nor can we stop it.
I'm interested in becoming a more energy efficient country on the sole reason of national security. I'm tired of having the USA involved in the Middle East's problems simply because we need to buy their oil.

I'm all for raising CAFE standards, tax breaks for purchasing hybrid and electric cars, and I'd like to see the government either fund the research or give tax credits to heavy truck and equipment manufacturing companies like Freightliner, Peterbilt, Caterpillar and John Deere to develop machinery that runs on alternative fuels.

Honest question: I've seen a number of local churches starting "green committees". How do you feel about this move and do you think "green" is a moral issue?