New York Yankees Thread - 2009 World Champions

[spoon]

man, josh johnson is a beast

He hates jews and jesus too?

[TheGameHHH]

He hates jews and jesus too?

i passed by him tonight and all he said to me was, 'i hate black people.' not a thing about jews or jesus

[HBox]

Apparently Joe Girardi didn't over pitch Johnson enough when he was down there.

[spoon]

i passed by him tonight and all he said to me was, 'i hate black people.' not a thing about jews or jesus

Well after meeting Dash who could argue with him!? :wink:

[lleeder]

"First Yankee pitcher to go at least 7 innings for 8 games in a row since Cone" according to mlb.com

Now he's out of the game after one and a third. :wallbash:

[brettmojo]

http://www.savetheyankeegate2.com/index.php

[TheGameHHH]

Time for the Wanger tonight......fuck.

And the Yanks are going up against a pitcher theyve never faced......double fuck

[RingWraith]

Time for the Wanger tonight......fuck.

And the Yanks are going up against a pitcher theyve never faced......double fuck

Maybe the Yankees are "due" to beat an unknown for once. :unsure:

[TheGameHHH]

the Yankees score at will way to easily, id like to see them leave more runners on base

[RingWraith]

Yankee offense is just brutal to watch right now. UGH!!! :annoyed:

[RingWraith]

I'm tired of bashing my head in a wall!
:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[brettmojo]

Wang was better tonight. He'll probably straighten back out.

Girardi is teetering on the brink of extinction.

[lleeder]

Cashman is in Atlanta. Does that mean anything or just for show?

[TheGameHHH]

Cashman is in Atlanta. Does that mean anything or just for show?

they did make/are making several moves today, maybe its simply to address that.

[TheGameHHH]

Courtesy of Big AAAAAA, "Cashman said he came here because the team is struggling. 'We’re all looking for answers,' he said. Asked about a trade, he shook his team. 'All the answers are here,' he said."

[TheGameHHH]

man, what a frustrating game to watch.

[cougarjake13]

they did make/are making several moves today, maybe its simply to address that.



he cant do that in new york ???

[lleeder]

wonder how many days that buys arod

[cougarjake13]

wonder how many days that buys arod

til his next at bat

[TheGameHHH]

did you guys hear the HUGE news today? A-Rod just tied Reggie on the all-time HR list.

[cougarjake13]

did you guys hear the HUGE news today? A-Rod just tied Reggie on the all-time HR list.



no, no i didnt

[TheGameHHH]

no, no i didnt

click on any news site or just turn on your TV, its all anybody is talking about

[cougarjake13]

click on any news site or just turn on your TV, its all anybody is talking about

and here i thought it was


1. mike jackson dead
2. farrah fawcett dead
3. nba draft

[TheGameHHH]

only the yanks can blow an 8-1 lead

[TheGameHHH]

man the ball dies at Citi Field. David Wright just tagged a ball and Gardner was camped under it for like 2 whole seconds in left center. That ball would have been out by like 30 feet in the Bronx.

[Snoogans]

Why is this thread still open? You didnt start 9-2, so the season is fuckin over

[TheGameHHH]

Why is this thread still open? You didnt start 9-2, so the season is fuckin over

I'm operating on the theory that that only applied to the 2008 season.

[Snoogans]

I'm operating on the theory that that only applied to the 2008 season.

What would be hilarious is if Philly started last season 9-2

[TheGameHHH]

What would be hilarious is if Philly started last season 9-2

then id hate that miserable piece of shit for getting the numbers right

[Snoogans]

Rest easy. The Phillies started last season 5-6 through 11 games.

Fuckin BDC

[hammersavage]

CC throws at least a no hitter tonight

[brettmojo]

CC throws at least a no hitter tonight
Fuckin' jinx.

[Snoogans]

Fuckin' jinx.

CC throws at least a no hitter tonight

Im pretty sure that was his goal

[TheGameHHH]

CC throws at least a no hitter tonight

you dont know shit about baseball dude, watch this sick prediction. i say CC allows at least 1 run tonight

[Snoogans]

you dont know shit about baseball dude, watch this sick prediction. i say CC allows at least 1 run tonight

Man I hope you put some cash on that one

[TheGameHHH]

Man I hope you put some cash on that one

i heard it from some Wimbledon announcer first, i stand to win like 250K

[Snoogans]

i heard it from some Wimbledon announcer first, i stand to win like 250K

dude im seriously pissed i didnt see that.

[TheGameHHH]

kate hudson is so hot, i hope a-rod stays with her cause the more i get to look at her during games the better

[Snoogans]

mets pitchin is awesome

[TheGameHHH]

mets pitchin is awesome

and that was before the back to back balk and wild pitch

[Snoogans]

and that was before the back to back balk and wild pitch

how are the mets only a half game out. This is embarrassing and i hate both these teams

[TheGameHHH]

how are the mets only a half game out. This is embarrassing and i hate both these teams

Sheff, Wright and Santana?? I have no idea otherwise

[Snoogans]

Sheff, Wright and Santana?? I have no idea otherwise

Beltran was huge until he got hurt. And I guess K Rod.

HALF THE FUCKIN TEAM IS OUT. Man do the Phillies blow

and Santana's record aint great cause they always fuckin him and dont score

[TheGameHHH]

Beltran was huge until he got hurt. And I guess K Rod.

HALF THE FUCKIN TEAM IS OUT. Man do the Phillies blow

yea he was huge...and fuck k-rod

i cant get over how deep this ballpark is, cervelli just crushed one to the same part of the park as wright back in the 2nd and the ball just died again. and the sny guys were just talking about how some site did a study and found out citi field has robbed the mets of 36 HRs this year that they would have had back at shea

[Snoogans]

yea he was huge...and fuck k-rod

i cant get over how deep this ballpark is, cervelli just crushed one to the same part of the park as wright back in the 2nd and the ball just died again. and the sny guys were just talking about how some site did a study and found out citi field has robbed the mets of 36 HRs this year that they would have had back at shea

The yankees have been giving 43874874389 homers they wouldnt have had at old yankee stadium

[TheGameHHH]

The yankees have been giving 43874874389 homers they wouldnt have had at old yankee stadium

yea, and truthfully i cant tell which park i like better in those terms. the launching pad yankee stadium type or the dead ball citi field type

[Snoogans]

yea, and truthfully i cant tell which park i like better in those terms. the launching pad yankee stadium type or the dead ball citi field type

i want parks with 205 foot fences. Play every game in Williamsport, PA

[Kevin]

i want parks with 205 foot fences. Play every game in Williamsport, PA

Yankee Stadium would still give up the most HRs in the majors.

[Snoogans]

Yankee Stadium would still give up the most HRs in the majors.

HA. TEX BROKE HIS FUCKIN BAT ON ONE

[TheGameHHH]

i want parks with 205 foot fences. Play every game in Williamsport, PA

shorter bases and mound too?

[Snoogans]

shorter bases and mound too?

and metal bats

[TheGameHHH]

and metal bats

PING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Snoogans]

imagine a major league pitcher at 40 feet with a hitter rippin a metal bat liner at him

[TheGameHHH]

imagine a major league pitcher at 40 feet with a hitter rippin a metal bat liner at him

how many deaths per season? at least one right?

[Snoogans]

how many deaths per season? at least one right?

assumin you could hit a 95 mph pitch from 40 feet away, id say 30 minimum

[TheGameHHH]

assumin you could hit a 95 mph pitch from 40 feet away, id say 30 minimum

wow, imagine a league where every team had at least one pitcher die a season?

i think we're having a pot talk segment now

[Snoogans]

wow, imagine a league where every team had at least one pitcher die a season?

i think we're having a pot talk segment now

still good ideas


Ive been tryin to get a nascar league except you have the guys get drunk before the race

[TheGameHHH]

still good ideas


Ive been tryin to get a nascar league except you have the guys get drunk before the race

hundreds and hundreds of deaths, awesome.

[Snoogans]

hundreds and hundreds of deaths, awesome.

Im convinced I would be the Jimmie Johnson of that league. I practice a few saturday nights a year on the West Side Highway

[TheGameHHH]

anybody watching game 5 of the subway series tonight? im bored and wanna talk about it

[Hottub]

Jorge!!

They should not have let Redding start the inning.

[TheGameHHH]

Jorge!!

They should not have let Redding start the inning.

Why not? It was 1-0 and he was throwing well

[Hottub]

He was already at almost 100. I know the bullpen is a bit light, but they were pushing their luck.

[TheGameHHH]

He was already at almost 100. I know the bullpen is a bit light, but they were pushing their luck.

I dont know much about his age and history but almost 100 should not be that much of a problem for a guy that was dealing after retiring 8 straight and only 5 innings work. and like you said, their bullpen sucks. why would you take the guy thats pitching well out to put in something else your unsure of?

[TheGameHHH]

A.J. was fuckin dealin tonight

[drjoek]

A.J. was fuckin dealin tonight


2 in a row for him

[TheGameHHH]

one hit those fucks.....great game tonight

[TheGameHHH]

thank god i have people like Joe Morgan in my life, what would i be able to do without his wisdom? now i understand that the deepest part of the ballpark is probably the furthest point out there. thanks for that gem buddy, id love to get you and joe buck in a house together and firebomb the shit out of it.

[Snoogans]

thank god i have people like Joe Morgan in my life, what would i be able to do without his wisdom? now i understand that the deepest part of the ballpark is probably the furthest point out there. thanks for that gem buddy, id love to get you and joe buck in a house together and firebomb the shit out of it.

Can we add Miller, Phillips and McCarver and just make it a fun ole time?

[brettmojo]

THAT'S BULLSHIT! HE WAS IMPEDING THE RUNNER! MORGAN IS A FUCKING MORON! How could he have actually played the game and be so fucking RETARDED!!!

[brettmojo]

That patch on the Met's jerseys looks like an advertisement for dominoes pizza.

[TheGameHHH]

Can we add Miller, Phillips and McCarver and just make it a fun ole time?

i have zero objections to that, im sure we could think of at least 10 more too

[joeyballsack]

For those of us who like to listen to baseball on the radio, can we add Suzyn Waldman To this list?

[Snoogans]

For those of us who like to listen to baseball on the radio, can we add Suzyn Waldman To this list?

and sterling.

and everyone on ESPN who doesnt do college football. Somehow they got awesome college football announcing and EVERYTHING else is shit

[TheGameHHH]

and sterling.

and everyone on ESPN who doesnt do college football. Somehow they got awesome college football announcing and EVERYTHING else is shit

im vetoing Sterling.....yes hes corny as shit but he gets a sympathy vote from me and that spares him.

[Snoogans]

im vetoing Sterling.....yes hes corny as shit but he gets a sympathy vote from me and that spares him.

then ill just put you in the house

[TheGameHHH]

then ill just put you in the house

this was my house to begin with, you dont like it? go build another house, find new people, bring them inside and set it on fire yourself

[TheGameHHH]

and Mo's 500th tonight......anyone???

[Snoogans]

this was my house to begin with, you dont like it? go build another house, find new people, bring them inside and set it on fire yourself

i have guns. I think ill just take over your house

[HBox]

Yanks trade for Eric Hinske. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4296950)

Why? No fucking clue.

[TheGameHHH]

Yanks trade for Eric Hinske. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4296950)

Why? No fucking clue.

I have no idea why this was done either, maybe they wanted somebody less shitty then Berrora? now it seems theres zero chance of Cervelli staying up once Molina gets back

[brettmojo]

I have no idea why this was done either, maybe they wanted somebody less shitty then Berrora? now it seems theres zero chance of Cervelli staying up once Molina gets back
He'll probably replace Pena. Maybe they want Pena playing in everyday in the minors?

[TheGameHHH]

He'll probably replace Pena. Maybe they want Pena playing in everyday in the minors?

that seems logical but stupid at the same time. Jeter is sick for 2 days, Pena jumps in, plays great D and smacks a few doubles in the 2 games. then this is his reward? Eric f'n Hinske taking his place?

[TheGameHHH]

I love that Mo is throwing out the first pitch tonight

[TheGameHHH]

did all the Yankees fans on this board die?

[RingWraith]

did all the Yankees fans on this board die?

I'm still alive!

[Kevin]

did all the Yankees fans on this board die?

When BDC left was the day the Yankee thread die..

Bye Bye Mr American Pie, Drove the chevi to the bakery but the bakery was dry.

[epo]

When BDC left was the day the Yankee thread die..

Bye Bye Mr American Pie, Drove the chevi to the bakery but the bakery was dry.

Did you just order a 200 lb. cow?

[TheGameHHH]

all im saying is theyre a season high 12 over .500, boston and tampa bay wont stop winning, and its mid-summer baseball time. this place seems dead, lets get some life in here.

[Snoogans]

all im saying is theyre a season high 12 over .500, boston and tampa bay wont stop winning, and its mid-summer baseball time. this place seems dead, lets get some life in here.

come on, what about kevin's awesome joke


so embarrassed for him right now

[TheGameHHH]

come on, what about kevin's awesome joke


so embarrassed for him right now

i was so embarrassed for him i tried to pretend like it didnt happen.

[TheGameHHH]

7 in a row for the Bombers

[Snoogans]

7 in a row for the Bombers

8 if you count kevin's

[TheGameHHH]

8 if you count kevin's

hahahaha.......youre my new Yankee fan best friend by the way. nobody else posts in here

[Snoogans]

hahahaha.......youre my new Yankee fan best friend by the way. nobody else posts in here

It really is depressing. We used to have such good times in here. Guys have 1 bad season and everyone runs away. What the fuck, man

[JPMNICK]

Nice to see Andy go 7 last night, but I do not understand why Bruney did not pitch 8, and then they warmed up hughes only to send Mo out there.

I am going to the game friday, Burnett Pitching against Toronto at home, should be a good one.

[TheGameHHH]

Nice to see Andy go 7 last night, but I do not understand why Bruney did not pitch 8, and then they warmed up hughes only to send Mo out there.

I am going to the game friday, Burnett Pitching against Toronto at home, should be a good one.

hope youre having fun today, its a good game thus far

[Hottub]

Doc Joe and spoon are also there. Maybe ralph too.

[Hottub]

I HATE the red caps!!

[sailor]

I HATE the red caps!!

?

http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/TTR/redcap.jpg

[Hottub]

Was that Joe on the big screen?

[drjoek]

Was that Joe on the big screen?


I was at the game today.
Met my second .netter Spoon there.

[Hottub]

I was at the game today.
Met my second .netter Spoon there.

I'm glad you got to meet spoon. He's a good egg. Fun guy to hang with.
Answer the question.
WHERE YOU ON THE BIG SCREEN TODAY? 6th INNING?

[drjoek]

I'm glad you got to meet spoon. He's a good egg. Fun guy to hang with.
Answer the question.
WHERE YOU ON THE BIG SCREEN TODAY? 6th INNING?



Blue shirt?
Yankees cap?
Upper Deck?

[Hottub]

Blue shirt?
Yankees cap?
Upper Deck?

I'm not sure what deck. It sure as hell looked like you.

[spoon]

I'm not sure what deck. It sure as hell looked like you.

Was he on another man's lap that looked like me?

If so, you know the answer.

[Hottub]

Was he on another man's lap that looked like me?

If so, you know the answer.

He was the lapper, not the lappee. And that fruit had nothing on your handsome ass.:wub:

[Kevin]

He was the lapper, not the lappee. And that fruit had nothing on your handsome ass.:wub:

Trying very hard to get on Spoonys good side eh?

Does not really work well with him..

[Hottub]

I can love him, or hate him with all my heart and soul.
The fact remains.

[spoon]

gaz

[Gvac]

I just got a text from lleeder -

"I got a crazy Uncle Sam hat and will be in the first row in right field above the scoreboard and Pepsi sign at the Yankee game. You might see my drunk ass on TV."

I can't wait to see someone knock that stupid hat off his head.

[Gvac]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c34/Gvac/lleeder.jpg

[Kevin]

Cano has been ON FIRE with RISP!!!

[A.J.]

Today is the 70th anniversary of Lou Gehrig Day (the "I'm the luckiest man on the face of the earth" speech). ESPN did a special about letters Gehrig wrote and received in the last few months of his life. (http://espn.go.com/mlb/flash/gehrigletters)The man was the epitome of class and dignity.

[HBox]

Who was that bum who stole Halladay's jersey and pitched today?

[cougarjake13]

Who was that bum who stole Halladay's jersey and pitched today?

the same one that returned last week and pitched so so against the rays


guess the injury is still bothering him

[lleeder]

Wang going back on DL. Does this mean the 8th inning is back up for grabs? I guess Hughes will be back in the rotation?

[Kevin]

Who was that bum who stole Halladay's jersey and pitched today?

Err, most of those Hrs he gave up would have been outs in almost every park.

[TheGameHHH]

Wang going back on DL. Does this mean the 8th inning is back up for grabs? I guess Hughes will be back in the rotation?

Apparently Hughes isnt stretched out enough, that spot might go to Sergio Mitre. They only need it once before the break.

[lleeder]

Yeah I read today that he said he wasn't stretched out enough. I hope they just make a trade and get a solid innings eater. They don't need to be fucking with the bullpen mix again.

[lleeder]

Arod gets day off. Posada hits cleanup. Cano dropped to 7th.
Albaladejo brought up. Wang won't throw for at least 2 weeks.

[Doctor Z]

It couldn't be any more obvious...

I don't know what else to say.

[HBox]

It couldn't be any more obvious...

I don't know what else to say.

Yeah. No decent pitcher ever has a bad start. EVER. It's always perfection.

Just for reference this is Joba's second start where he's allowed more than 4 ERs. CC, AJ and Andy each have 3 starts where they have allowed more than 4 ERs.

[Doctor Z]

Right. Because he's been perfect all year. This is his first bad outing. He hasn't been plucked before the end of the 5th inning in a majority of his starts, due to either a horrendous pitch count or getting knocked around. None of that has happened, at all.

[Doctor Z]

I recall ONE noteworthy start this year, where he went 8 innings/1 run, and everyone started with the "I Told You So's"... Outside of that, he's struggled with a horrendous pitch count in almost every outing, and has a ton of no-decisions as a result of constantly being knocked out of games early. He has a few 6 innings/3 runs "quality starts" that people go apeshit over, as if we couldn't get the same out of Alfredo Aceves, or pretty much most 5th starters in baseball.

[HBox]

I recall ONE noteworthy start this year, where he went 8 innings/1 run, and everyone started with the "I Told You So's"... Outside of that, he's struggled with a horrendous pitch count in almost every outing, and has a ton of no-decisions as a result of constantly being knocked out of games early. He has a few 6 innings/3 runs "quality starts" that people go apeshit over, as if we couldn't get the same out of Alfredo Aceves, or pretty much most 5th starters in baseball.

Oh yeah, those "told you sos" came out of nowhere. It wasn't in response to you going "I told you so" every time Joba didn't live up to your unreal expectations.

And that blurb about Aceves being the fifth starter is a perfect example of your short-sightedness. What can Aceves ever become? He's never going to be an ace. Joba can be. And if he's a typical fifth starter in your eyes......... what is your problem with him being a fifth starter? Especially when the bullpen has been solid lately.

Is there any fucking patience here whatsoever? Or does every player who comes up from the minors have to be an all-star right away?

[Doctor Z]

Dude this is his 3rd season in the majors. If you're gonna have success as a starter, you'd at least be showing signs of it by now. Enough about "patience"... I don't expect him to be an ace right now, but he's hardly been mediocre. This perception that he's "going to be an ace" is based on little to no evidence at all.

[HBox]

Dude this is his 3rd season in the majors. If you're gonna have success as a starter, you'd at least be showing signs of it by now. Enough about "patience"... I don't expect him to be an ace right now, but he's hardly been mediocre. This perception that he's "going to be an ace" is based on little to no evidence at all.

The perception that he is going to be an ace came from his performance in the minors. By this logic no pitcher ever was expected to be an ace. And while this is his 3rd season in the majors he's only had one season of starts. There have been plenty of pitchers that have taken more than one season to become a good starter. One pitched for the Jays yesterday. If Phil Hughes has proven anything it's that any pitcher with talent and a good arm can jump into the bullpen and be effective.

But let's put that aside. You want Joba in the bullpen. Wang is on the DL. And since they aren't considering Hughes to replace Wang he's out of the picture. Who starts besides Sabathia, Burnett and Pettitte? And how the hell does that make this a better team?

[Doctor Z]

On an unrelated note, Jorge's bat has been absolutely on fire.

[Doctor Z]

Joba stays in the rotation right now because of Wang's injury. Before he got hurt, Wang's first 5 innings yesterday looked like vintage Wang. He was keeping everything down and on the ground, ton of ground ball outs, and a few double plays. He looked like 2007 Wang. Him getting hurt is a pretty big blow to our rotation considering he looked like he was almost all-the-way back.

Unfortunately, he is hurt. Personally, I don't see Joba moving to the pen for a couple of reasons: A) We now have a shortage of starters with Wang on the DL, and B) The Steinbrothers will never swallow their pride and admit when they're wrong. What I personally would do right now, is swap Joba and Hughes, and either insert Aceves in the 5th spot or called up Sergio Mitre and see what he's got. It also depends on just how long Wang is expected to be out for.

Regarding Posada being out there... How is Rob Thompson sending him? That's the slowest runner on the team vs. one of the best arms in the league.

[TheGameHHH]

Yeah. No decent pitcher ever has a bad start. EVER. It's always perfection.

Just for reference this is Joba's second start where he's allowed more than 4 ERs. CC, AJ and Andy each have 3 starts where they have allowed more than 4 ERs.

stop trying to argue with him using stats, logic and reasoning.

[Doctor Z]

Oh God... I know, I'm just wacky aren't I? My argument is so off-the-wall and unreasonable. There's no logic to it whatsoever.

[HBox]

stop trying to argue with him using stats, logic and reasoning.

This is all your fault! You ask for more Yankee fans to post here and this is what happens!

[Doctor Z]

Hey, let's trade Cody Ransom for Albert Pujols, straight up. I'M A ZANY ONE!!!!

http://sur-net.com/www/coollinks/images/GALLAGHER.gif

[TheGameHHH]

This is all your fault! You ask for more Yankee fans to post here and this is what happens!

It really is my fault. Now I miss the days when it was just me and my Yankees #1 fan buddy Snoogans.

[HBox]

Oh God... I know, I'm just wacky aren't I? My argument is so off-the-wall and unreasonable. There's no logic to it whatsoever.

That whole "replace Joba with Hughes" idea that you would prefer makes no sense. You are upset with how Joba is performing as a starter and you want to replace him with someone who was performing....... much worse than Joba.

And all for a marginal improvement in an already solid bullpen.

[TheGameHHH]

Hey, let's trade Cody Ransom for Albert Pujols, straight up. I'M A ZANY ONE!!!!

http://sur-net.com/www/coollinks/images/GALLAGHER.gif

yea, but then the first day Pujols goes 0-4 you'll be calling for him to only be used as a pinch hitter once a week

[Doctor Z]

That whole "replace Joba with Hughes" idea that you would prefer makes no sense. You are upset with how Joba is performing as a starter and you want to replace him with someone who was performing....... much worse than Joba.

And all for a marginal improvement in an already solid bullpen.

How was Hughes "MUCH" worse than Joba? He was just as mediocre. But now that Joba is basically pitching himself out of the rotation, why not give Hughes another shot and put Joba in a spot where he has proven success? Sorry if I'm not digging into the stat books HBox, but I'm not saying anything outrageous here.

[HBox]

How was Hughes "MUCH" worse than Joba? He was just as mediocre. But now that Joba is basically pitching himself out of the rotation, why not give Hughes another shot and put Joba in a spot where he has proven success? Sorry if I'm not digging into the stat books HBox, but I'm not saying anything outrageous here.

This season Hughes pitched more than 5 innings twice in 7 starts. Joba has pitched longer than 5 innings in 11 of his 15 starts. YOU are the one harping on Joba's inability to stay in games. Hughes has an even bigger problem staying in games. Hughes ERA as a starter this year is 5.45. Even after today's debacle Joba's ERA is 4.04.

You are not saying anything outrageous but you are definitely looking on Hughes' performance with a much less harsher light than Joba's.

[Doctor Z]

Hughes has a much smaller sampling of games though. In fact, half as many. If Hughes had 15 starts, he'd probably be just as good/bad (depending on how you see it). The two are basically interchangeable right now. So, given how Joba's pitched lately, why not swap them and see what you get?

[TheGameHHH]

How was Hughes "MUCH" worse than Joba? He was just as mediocre. But now that Joba is basically pitching himself out of the rotation, why not give Hughes another shot and put Joba in a spot where he has proven success? Sorry if I'm not digging into the stat books HBox, but I'm not saying anything outrageous here.

just look at the stats, what you think you see and what actually happens are two different things.

[Doctor Z]

I'm not discrediting stats here, because they obviously have value. But actually watching the games can show you a lot of things that stats alone don't.

Heading out for a softball game now. Let's hope we can hold onto this... Sox are up on the M's.

[TheMojoPin]

Hot damn, he really is BDZ.

[The Happening]

I wonder how long it will take Yankees upper management to admit they were wrong, and move Joba back to the pen. I'm guessing spring training of next season.

[Doctor Z]

Wow, did the umps come out today with the intent of screwing Jeter? First the out call on his stolen base, and now Jeter's throw to 2nd which was clearly in time. Come the fuck on.

[Doctor Z]

So, the difference in this game was a 3-run homer that should've never had a chance to be hit. I love it when umpires determine the outcome of games instead of the two teams playing on the field.

[Doctor Z]

Make that 1 run... That might sting even more.

[foodcourtdruide]

So, the difference in this game was a 3-run homer that should've never had a chance to be hit. I love it when umpires determine the outcome of games instead of the two teams playing on the field.

I prefer large payroll disparities :P

[Doctor Z]

Foodcourt doing with the spoon impression already WHAT!

http://www.virgoinservice.com/articles/images/Steve%20Somers.jpg

[spoon]

So, the difference in this game was a 3-run homer that should've never had a chance to be hit. I love it when umpires determine the outcome of games instead of the two teams playing on the field.

Yah bc the WHOLE game wouldn't have been different if that call went the other way. It would have somehow played out EXACTLY to this moment right here!

Also, it's HILARIOUS hearing a yank fan angry about missed calls. It's so tough being a yank fan, I know. Foodcourt killed me with that comment too...soak in its goodness people.

[Doctor Z]

Don't argue science.

[foodcourtdruide]

Foodcourt doing with the spoon impression already WHAT!

http://www.virgoinservice.com/articles/images/Steve%20Somers.jpg

Haha, I'm joking.

[spoon]

Oh and I hit my first two games at the new stadium this series and man is it a joke. I love the feel and design, but fucking pop outs make the stands for HRS! It really is bad. Perhaps I'm wrong, Damon is a huge power hitter right? Almost to his career high, as he nears it's end in half the at bats/games! Nice work NY taxpayers.

[Doctor Z]

Obviously you never know how the game would have played out differently. But it's likely it would have been to the Yankees benefit if that 3-run shot weren't hit on the Blue Jays' 4th out of the inning. Page 483, paragraph 3, line 2 of the rulebook for Major League Baseball states that each team is only allowed 3 outs per inning.

[Doctor Z]

Also, 3 out of 4 ain't bad.

[Doctor Z]

And the Blue Jays suck.

[spoon]

Obviously you never know how the game would have played out differently. But it's likely it would have been to the Yankees benefit if that 3-run shot weren't hit on the Blue Jays' 4th out of the inning. Page 483, paragraph 3, line 2 of the rulebook for Major League Baseball states that each team is only allowed 3 outs per inning.

Page 499, paragraph 2, lines 3-4.....BDZ will not only claim one call was the difference, he can also tell how the now completely different final 5 innings would play out.....always in favor of the yankees of course.

[Doctor Z]

Minus 3 runs for the Blue Jays = to the Yankees' favor.

Thems juss fax yo.
Fax is fax son.

[spoon]

Also, 3 out of 4 ain't bad.

Against our second AAA squad and an injured warrior going out there bc the team is so injured already on top of our #2 just being taken by a team that also added the best hitter on teh market with GGs at first and the top pitcher as well. How do the yanks do so well over 162 games?!? It's such a mystery how these things play out over a mlb season. In fact, last year alone should be the biggest black mark on the organization it's comical.

Oh and go get Arod and his HUGE contract the rest (or shot) he needs. What a fucking fag.

[spoon]

Minus 3 runs for the Blue Jays = to the Yankees' favor.

Thems juss fax yo.
Fax is fax son.

They would have been down still at that point. That's a fact you ignore, but I guess nothing changes from that point on minus that very play. Good point.

[Doctor Z]

And page 498, paragraph 3, line 2 states that the Blue Jays will stop being relevant after 1993 and be relegated to 3rd place or worse in the American League East, forever.

Because no one likes baseball in Canada.

It's religious fact.

[Doctor Z]

Another religious fact is that you will blame the Blue Jays' sucking ass on injuries every single season, forever. I've been on this board since 2002, and literally every year it's "The Blue Jays would be great if (insert names here) weren't hurt!"

PUT TOGETHER A TEAM THAT ISN'T MADE OF PEANUT BRITTLE YOU FAGGOTS!

[Doctor Z]

http://www.mercurycatfish.com/Graphics/AssClown.gif

[spoon]

And page 498, paragraph 3, line 2 states that the Blue Jays will stop being relevant after 1993 and be relegated to 3rd place or worse in the American League East, forever.

Because no one likes baseball in Canada.

It's religious fact.

It's so strange it lines right up with what's on page 522, paragraph 9, lines 5-9...the yankees will go on to outspend every team in baseball by a wide margin for years and somehow manage to never win the title after 2000, and even miss the playoffs often starting in 2008. Along the way they'll be embarassed by teams like Arizona, Florida and of course Boston. Tons of their players will be linked to steroids, even one who most hated but will go on to love once he gets his average up to .240. After 2010 and Selig gets killed by an infected skin cream used to hide his liver spots, the new commish implements a salary cap and they become a shit team once more like in the 80's.

[Doctor Z]

And in case you didn't get the memo, a diva is a female version of a hustla.

[Doctor Z]

Wah wah wah! mah mah! The Yankees' payroll is too high! They spend too much money! It's not fair! My whole team is injured every year! wah wah!

http://www.spaceg.com/multimedia/collection/ASCII%20art/lollercoaster0.gif

[spoon]

Another religious fact is that you will blame the Blue Jays' sucking ass on injuries every single season, forever. I've been on this board since 2002, and literally every year it's "The Blue Jays would be great if (insert names here) weren't hurt!"

PUT TOGETHER A TEAM THAT ISN'T MADE OF PEANUT BRITTLE YOU FAGGOTS!

That pretty much has never been said. Would they be better, sure, but not at the top. The Jays are one of only 4 teams to be above .500 in each of the last 3 season....and the only one without a playoff slot at least twice. I wonder why? But if you don't think losing the likes of Lilly, AJ, Carpenter, Delgado (just to name a few) and others during their prime doesn't add to the injuries in a negative way while the spanks add multiple multi-million dollar players each year, you're just plain idiotic. Just take CC, AJ and Tex off your team right now and guess what, you're in last fucking place. Worst run team outside of just throwing money around in the league. And they don't even do that well.

[Doctor Z]

See above.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go have anal sex with a lesbian midget.

[spoon]

Fuck, Wang went down as a starter and yank fans immediately start screaming about acquiring yet ANOTHER pitcher. When does it stop? Bury another terrible move yank brass, bc we need more kevin browns, pavanos and igawas.

[brettmojo]

http://blog.nj.com/yankees/2009/01/medium_Yankees%20money.jpg

[foodcourtdruide]

Wah wah wah! mah mah! The Yankees' payroll is too high! They spend too much money! It's not fair! My whole team is injured every year! wah wah!

http://www.spaceg.com/multimedia/collection/ASCII%20art/lollercoaster0.gif

wah wah wah the umpires screwed the yankees today wah wah wah

[lleeder]

I love to listen to John Sterling but today he had me rolling when he talked about Scutaro.

he walks alot cause he doesn't swing at pitches

Then he proceeded to bring up the 3 runs Blue Jays defensive plays robbed the Yankees of about every other pitch.

[TheGameHHH]

today i had my first visit to the Bronx and i loved it, despite the outcome on the scoreboard. i cant wait to go back.

[spoon]

I love to listen to John Sterling but today he had me rolling when he talked about Scutaro.



Then he proceeded to bring up the 3 runs Blue Jays defensive plays robbed the Yankees of about every other pitch.

Now that warrants the Chickenhawk Lollercoaster!

[Doctor Z]

Very seldom do you see Derek Jeter talk shit/complain about bad calls, but I just saw his post-game on Baseball Tonight, and he goes "I was unaware of that change in the rules." Apparently the ump's explanation was "The ball beat you."

Then the reporter goes "Your manager says you shouldn't be stealing 3rd in that situation unless you know you're gonna be safe. Does that make you second guess your decision?" Jeter: "No, because I was safe."

I love it.

[brettmojo]

Very seldom do you see Derek Jeter talk shit/complain about bad calls, but I just saw his post-game on Baseball Tonight, and he goes "I was unaware of that change in the rules." Apparently the ump's explanation was "The ball beat you."

Then the reporter goes "Your manager says you shouldn't be stealing 3rd in that situation unless you know you're gonna be safe. Does that make you second guess your decision?" Jeter: "No, because I was safe."

I love it.
Yeah the umpire told Jeter,"He didn't need to tag you because the ball beat you there."

That ump should be fired.

[TheGameHHH]

Yeah the umpire told Jeter,"He didn't need to tag you because the ball beat you there."

That ump should be fired.

I've always hated that unwritten rule in baseball but i chose to ignore it because it will also work out in the Yankees favor from time to time as well. Its so stupid yet it continues to be implemented decade after decade.

[drjoek]

The new Metro North station at the Stadium is stealing our bad callers gimmick. The whole thing is decked out in ads for Miracle Whip with snappy phrases.
One of them says:

SALAMI SAYS WHAT?

Ill get a picture

[TheMojoPin]

Good Lord, the brouhaha over that bad call is ridiculous.

Was it a bad call? In hindsight when you can examine the replay in slow-mo and shit, yeah. When it happened, however, it was a VERY close call, and the general "rule" for the longest ass time has essentially been "on a close play the runner is usually out if the ball beats him." Nothing unusual happened to Jeter that hasn't happened to thousands of other baserunners.

[drjoek]

Good Lord, the brouhaha over that bad call is ridiculous.

Was it a bad call? In hindsight when you can examine the replay in slow-mo and shit, yeah. When it happened, however, it was a VERY close call, and the general "rule" for the longest ass time has essentially been "on a close play the runner is usually out if the ball beats him." Nothing unusual happened to Jeter that hasn't happened to thousands of other baserunners.



Right to an extent. Close call yes ball beat him there was and is the rule to this day. The problem is the ump saying that's why he was out. He should have just said I had him as out. Not try to change the rules if there was no tag.

[foodcourtdruide]

Good Lord, the brouhaha over that bad call is ridiculous.

Was it a bad call? In hindsight when you can examine the replay in slow-mo and shit, yeah. When it happened, however, it was a VERY close call, and the general "rule" for the longest ass time has essentially been "on a close play the runner is usually out if the ball beats him." Nothing unusual happened to Jeter that hasn't happened to thousands of other baserunners.

I agree. Every now and then you'll see people bitching about a 2B/SS not stepping on the bag in a doubleplay and the runner still being called out. Do people even watch baseball? That happens ALL the time.

[TheGameHHH]

Good Lord, the brouhaha over that bad call is ridiculous.

Was it a bad call? In hindsight when you can examine the replay in slow-mo and shit, yeah. When it happened, however, it was a VERY close call, and the general "rule" for the longest ass time has essentially been "on a close play the runner is usually out if the ball beats him." Nothing unusual happened to Jeter that hasn't happened to thousands of other baserunners.

nobody is saying its unusual, we're saying its stupid. you of all people should see the flawed logic in "if the ball beats you then youre out"

[disneyspy]

nobody is saying its unusual, we're saying its stupid. you of all people should see the flawed logic in "if the ball beats you then youre out"

are you sayin mojo gets beat in the face by balls that knock him out?

[foodcourtdruide]

nobody is saying its unusual, we're saying its stupid. you of all people should see the flawed logic in "if the ball beats you then youre out"

I always thought it must be hard for an umpire to see the tag at third, since they have an awkward angle behind the fielder and if the 3B is standing properly, they'd be blocking the umps view of the runners hands/foot.

[TheMojoPin]

nobody is saying its unusual, we're saying its stupid. you of all people should see the flawed logic in "if the ball beats you then youre out"

Them's the breaks when you're expecting guys to make split second calls on close plays that they can only see from a single angle. The only way anyone knows Jeter was safe is from watching replays in slow motion and from different angles.

[TheGameHHH]

I always thought it must be hard for an umpire to see the tag at third, since they have an awkward angle behind the fielder and if the 3B is standing properly, they'd be blocking the umps view of the runners hands/foot.

theyre standing on the foul line about 10 feet away, i cant see how thats a bad angle at all

[JPMNICK]

that game was lost by giving up 8 runs, not jeter being called out. sucks as a call, but calls have gone for the Yanks and no one discusses it for days

[TheGameHHH]

that game was lost by giving up 8 runs, not jeter being called out. sucks as a call, but calls have gone for the Yanks and no one discusses it for days

i dont think anyone was dumb enough to claim that the jeter call lost the game for them

[foodcourtdruide]

theyre standing on the foul line about 10 feet away, i cant see how thats a bad angle at all

If the 3B is standing behind the runner sliding in, wouldn't his legs/lower body be blocking the umpires view of the tag?

[sailor]

theyre standing on the foul line about 10 feet away, i cant see how thats a bad angle at all

and isn't it the ump's job to make sure he has a good angle?

[drjoek]

and isn't it the ump's job to make sure he has a good angle?



Yes. There are specific mechanics for an umpire to establish positioning to get the right angle to make a call.

[JPMNICK]

Yanks midterm grades.

http://pinstripedbible.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/07/ready_for_your_midterms.html

[JPMNICK]

maybe this should be in the MLB thread, but who in the AL has a great arm in the OF. everytime when the games or on, or on other boards I go to, the always say you can run on the OF of X team. they say it about the Yanks all the time, and I do not think Cabrerra has that bad of an arm.

[Snoogans]

maybe this should be in the MLB thread, but who in the AL has a great arm in the OF. everytime when the games or on, or on other boards I go to, the always say you can run on the OF of X team. they say it about the Yanks all the time, and I do not think Cabrerra has that bad of an arm.

Shin Soo Choo has a fuckin CANNON

[TheGameHHH]

maybe this should be in the MLB thread, but who in the AL has a great arm in the OF. everytime when the games or on, or on other boards I go to, the always say you can run on the OF of X team. they say it about the Yanks all the time, and I do not think Cabrerra has that bad of an arm.

Theres a lot of great arms in AL outfield, for a decade people refused to run on Vlad's arm. Ichiro has a strong arm as well. Im fairly certain Markakis has a good arm in Baltimore. Announcers say it a lot about the Yanks because there's people out there like Johnny Damon, he's better off kicking the ball back to the infield most of the time as he has the arm of a 9 year old girl.

[JPMNICK]

Theres a lot of great arms in AL outfield, for a decade people refused to run on Vlad's arm. Ichiro has a strong arm as well. Im fairly certain Markakis has a good arm in Baltimore. Announcers say it a lot about the Yanks because there's people out there like Johnny Damon, he's better off kicking the ball back to the infield most of the time as he has the arm of a 9 year old girl.

i agree on markakis. I think sometimes the stigma that the Yankee outfielders have no arm makes no one give them a chance. it is just assumed that they suck

[Snoogans]

i agree on markakis. I think sometimes the stigma that the Yankee outfielders have no arm makes no one give them a chance. it is just assumed that they suck

they do suck. melky's arm looks ok cause it was Damon and Bernie before him. Matsui doesn't really have that good of an arm either, and Nick Swisher is just a bum.


SHIN SOO CHOO

And Jason Bay can whip a ball around, as well

[lleeder]

that game was lost by giving up 8 runs, not jeter being called out. sucks as a call, but calls have gone for the Yanks and no one discusses it for days

I disagree going into the game Romero had a great scoreless inning streak going. After the 1st inning he was able to stabilize and keep that going. Jeter being out allowed him to do so. Who knows how many runs the Yankees could have gotten if not for that extra out??? At least one but maybe more. He could have fallen apart out there.

[KingModem]

Prepare for devastation this week.

[JPMNICK]

Prepare for devastation this week.

yea i remember last time they played how devastating it was... oh no I was at those games and they kept winning

[KingModem]

yea i remember last time they played how devastating it was... oh no I was at those games and they kept winning

I just remember how devastated I was watching those games.

[spoon]

i dont think anyone was dumb enough to claim that the jeter call lost the game for them

BDZ attack!

[spoon]

and isn't it the ump's job to make sure he has a good angle?

It is and just doesn't happen. Most of the refs are fat, slow and lazy. Watch them for a whole game and you'll see they hardly move like they should. Don't get me wrong, some do, but most don't get into good postion at all.

[spoon]

i agree on markakis. I think sometimes the stigma that the Yankee outfielders have no arm makes no one give them a chance. it is just assumed that they suck

It's hardly "assumed" they suck, they actually prove it day in and day out. Melky is the only guy on the team with an average to slightly above average arm. Damon is a joke, Gardner is terrible, Swisher can't keep the ball in his glove long enough to get a good grip and Matsui throws like Justjon.

For comparison, Rios has a gun out in right, Wells is slightly to above average, and Lind has an average arm at best. Snider when back is a much better defender in LF than Lind, not to mention Batista and the reasons you see them in the field much more. Both those two have about average arms, but I really haven't seen them in throw down situations that often. Snider may be better than I give him credit for, but he's yet to play that often.

[HBox]

Wow. Way to shit all over the Metrodome on the way out. Are all of those signs necessary? Just be honest and put "Countdown until we are finally out of this shithole"

[brettmojo]

Gardner is far from terrible. When terrible plays in LF every game you can tell the difference.

[TheGameHHH]

Gardner is far from terrible. When terrible plays in LF every game you can tell the difference.

i think he meant arm wise, cause he's got a pretty shitty arm

[brettmojo]

i think he meant arm wise, cause he's got a pretty shitty arm
He doesn't have a cannon but nothing I've seen from him would qualify as shitty.

[JPMNICK]

He doesn't have a cannon but nothing I've seen from him would qualify as shitty.

thats exactly what I am talking about. I do not think he has a shitty arm either. nothing remarkable, but not embarrassing like Damon's. I think sometimes they Yanks OF's get shit just because they are on the yanks.

I will never ever argue Damon is even passable in left, because he really isn't at all.

[JPMNICK]

ROBBED OF A GRANDSLAM

awesome catch

[brettmojo]

Wow what a catch by Gomez.

[TheGameHHH]

Wow what a catch by Gomez.

that was nasty

[KingModem]

Wow. Way to shit all over the Metrodome on the way out. Are all of those signs necessary? Just be honest and put "Countdown until we are finally out of this shithole"

I had a chance to dip into the new stadium last week, and yeah, pretty incredible for us. We always have a better chance of winning in the dome, but the joy of baseball has a significantly different meaning that everyone else in the nation. Myself, after visiting 14 major league parks in the last 4 years, know that it is more than just baseball, but about spending time in the sun with your kids in the unpredictable elements that define baseball, much like their little league games.

I think there is a serious concern about losing Mauer though. I wouldn't be suprised if they levy a Mauer sales tax in Hennepin County just to pay his salary to get him to stay here.

[HBox]

We all remember David Price. He was a #1 draft pick for the Rays, a fire balling left hander who they called up late last year to help out in the bullpen for the stretch run and the playoffs. He was lights out and ultimately recorded the final out of the ALCS. However this story takes an ugly turn this Spring Training because for some godforsaken reason the idiots in Tampa front office decided Price should be a starter this year only because he's been a starter his entire career until last September. FOOLS! MORONS! This is what they get:

8 GS, 38.0 IP (less than 5 IP per start), 35 H, 30 BB, 40Ks, 5.21 ERA.

Yet for some reason these cretins are continuing to start this clear failure. In one start he threw 105 pitches in only 4.1 innings! In another he threw 100 in only 3.1 innings! When will they realize that they can have a lights out 8th inning 2 or 3 times a week?

[TheGameHHH]

We all remember David Price. He was a #1 draft pick for the Rays, a fire balling left hander who they called up late last year to help out in the bullpen for the stretch run and the playoffs. He was lights out and ultimately recorded the final out of the ALCS. However this story takes an ugly turn this Spring Training because for some godforsaken reason the idiots in Tampa front office decided Price should be a starter this year only because he's been a starter his entire career until last September. FOOLS! MORONS! This is what they get:

8 GS, 38.0 IP (less than 5 IP per start), 35 H, 30 BB, 40Ks, 5.21 ERA.

Yet for some reason these cretins are continuing to start this clear failure. In one start he threw 105 pitches in only 4.1 innings! In another he threw 100 in only 3.1 innings! When will they realize that they can have a lights out 8th inning 2 or 3 times a week?

clearly it isnt just morons running the Yankees, they run the Rays too! Fools, all of them. It's clear Price BLOWS as a starter

[Doctor Z]

When Price still sucks in his 3rd season in the majors, your post will make sense.

[Doctor Z]

And can we stop saying he was "a starter his whole career"? As if he's had an actual career yet? Mariano Rivera and Jonathan Papelbon were starters for "their WHOLE careers" until they came to the majors, and it became apparent they'd serve better as relievers... so you should argue that they should be starters too, because that's what they were for their WHOLE ENTIRE CAREERS.

[Doctor Z]

http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/94/39/michael_jackson_feels_wise_and_sage_but_not_little _boys_main_4482.0.0.0x0.340x399.jpeg

[cougarjake13]

We all remember David Price. He was a #1 draft pick for the Rays, a fire balling left hander who they called up late last year to help out in the bullpen for the stretch run and the playoffs. He was lights out and ultimately recorded the final out of the ALCS. However this story takes an ugly turn this Spring Training because for some godforsaken reason the idiots in Tampa front office decided Price should be a starter this year only because he's been a starter his entire career until last September. FOOLS! MORONS! This is what they get:

8 GS, 38.0 IP (less than 5 IP per start), 35 H, 30 BB, 40Ks, 5.21 ERA.

Yet for some reason these cretins are continuing to start this clear failure. In one start he threw 105 pitches in only 4.1 innings! In another he threw 100 in only 3.1 innings! When will they realize that they can have a lights out 8th inning 2 or 3 times a week?



lets remember he hasnt even spent a full year in the minors before getting called up last year and only spent what a month down there this year before they brought him up ??

plus as we usually see with rookies, first time through theyre sometimes lights out, moreso last year for price who only came in as a bullpen guy

this year they make him a full time starter and really shouldnt have been brought up

[Doctor Z]

Go ahead and throw K-Rod on that list too, by the way. The top 3 closers in the game today, came up as starting pitchers... for their entire careers.

So that argument is moot. Don't even bring it up again.

[spoon]

i think he meant arm wise, cause he's got a pretty shitty arm

Thank you. And it's AT LEAST below average for a major league player. I can all but promise you he's only marginally better than the caveman.

[HBox]

And can we stop saying he was "a starter his whole career"? As if he's had an actual career yet? Mariano Rivera and Jonathan Papelbon were starters for "their WHOLE careers" until they came to the majors, and it became apparent they'd serve better as relievers... so you should argue that they should be starters too, because that's what they were for their WHOLE ENTIRE CAREERS.

And they gave Mariano a chance to start in the bigs. He fucking blew. And by normal standards, not your ridiculous standards. And you can't compare Mariano with Papelbon or Price or Joba. The latter 3 were top of the line prospects. There were people ready to give up on Rivera altogether before he made the bigs. And they did try and make Papelbon a starter. He isn't because he fought to be a closer and the Red Sox have and still have ridiculous starting pitching depth. They still have a line of good young pitchers waiting in the minors.

When Price still sucks in his 3rd season in the majors, your post will make sense.

Joba's started 28 games. Barely enough to qualify as a full season. That is a useful stat, not this 3 season bullshit you keep on throwing around. Keep on trying to make that first season in which he was with the team for 2 months look like a full season.

[Doctor Z]

Mo blew... By your argument, they were too impatient with him. NO pitcher is good right out the gate, right? Why didn't they give him more time? Same for Papelbon. Why were they so damn impatient... They should've given them at least 2 full seasons as starters before putting them in the pen for good. These idiots know nothing about baseball. No rookie pitcher ever has a good first or second season. All great aces in baseball history sucked ass for 2 or 3 seasons before being any good. That's how baseball works.

[HBox]

Go ahead and throw K-Rod on that list too, by the way. The top 3 closers in the game today, came up as starting pitchers... for their entire careers.

So that argument is moot. Don't even bring it up again.

K-Rod never started in the majors and was moved to the bullpen because of injury issues. Thanks for trying though.

[spoon]

So that argument is moot. Don't even bring it up again.

Man I hate to say this, and perhaps it's proof I'm wrong, but I agree with BDZ on Hughes and Joba. I truly think mental makeup has a ton to do with it as well. Employing this factor I see Joba having the close/setup mentality of coming out throwing 100% for an inning or two versus the grind of a starter employing strategy, conserving your are when possible, the weekly makeup and prep for each team (going through each batter multiple times) and of course utilizing each pitch in needed situations. Sure Posado and ur catching tandem could help in some of these areas, but the pitcher controls it overall. When I look at Hughes I truly see the one pitcher of the three BDC SWORE all could be aces that has the full makeup to be one. He's much more cerebral than Joba, has a deeper pitch selection and to me is your number 4/5 starter right now. Joba should be groomed as the possible replacement for Moe, setting him up almost daily, while Hughes left in the rotation so you could keep Wang in the minors for now as well (once back).

[cougarjake13]

And they gave Mariano a chance to start in the bigs. He fucking blew. And by normal standards, not your ridiculous standards. And you can't compare Mariano with Papelbon or Price or Joba. The latter 3 were top of the line prospects. There were people ready to give up on Rivera altogether before he made the bigs. And they did try and make Papelbon a starter. He isn't because he fought to be a closer and the Red Sox have and still have ridiculous starting pitching depth. They still have a line of good young pitchers waiting in the minors.




and price has been given all of a first half of one season

[HBox]

Mo blew... By your argument, they were too impatient with him. NO pitcher is good right out the gate, right? Same for Papelbon. Why didn't they give him more time? Why were they so damn impatient... They should've given them at least 2 full seasons as starters before putting them in the pen for good.

Mariano was never as big a prospect as those other 3. You don't throw away the chances of getting an ace so you can have a great reliever. Mariano was never viewed as being able to be that kind of starter. Aceves was a starter but no one ever thought he'd be great. That's why Aceves is in the bullpen and Joba is starting.

[HBox]

and price has been given all of a first half of one season

Umm, my post about Price wasn't serious.

[Doctor Z]

K-Rod never started in the majors and was moved to the bullpen because of injury issues. Thanks for trying though.

So fuck the other 2. And fuck the fact that almost no one is brought up through the minor league system with the INTENT of being a closer. Farms don't RAISE closers. They raise starters and relievers. No one enters the minors saying "I'm training to be a closer." You end up being a closer by circumstance.

[Doctor Z]

Mariano was never as big a prospect as those other 3. You don't throw away the chances of getting an ace so you can have a great reliever. Mariano was never viewed as being able to be that kind of starter. Aceves was a starter but no one ever thought he'd be great. That's why Aceves is in the bullpen and Joba is starting.

Joba was never a MAJOR prospect until the last minute. The guy fucking SKYROCKETED straight into the majors. He skipped AAA completely and jumped into the Yankees' bullpen straight from AA because they saw a guy who could throw gas and our bullpen sucked. Joba went from 500 seat parks in Nebraska to Yankee Stadium in like an 8 month span. Hughes was the golden boy we groomed to be the future ace of this franchise, not Joba.

[HBox]

So fuck the other 2. And fuck the fact that almost no one is brought up through the minor league system with the INTENT of being a closer. Farms don't RAISE closers. They raise starters and relievers. No one enters the minors saying "I'm training to be a closer." You end up being a closer by circumstance.

No, but they do have relievers in the minors. The Yanks have Mark Melancon in the minors right now. They Yanks think highly of him. On the Sox Manny Delcarmen was a minor league reliever. There are plenty of players who train to be relievers and the best of them become closers in the majors.

[HBox]

Joba was never a MAJOR prospect until the last minute. The guy fucking SKYROCKETED straight into the majors. He skipped AAA completely and jumped into the Yankees' bullpen straight from AA because they saw a guy who could throw gas and our bullpen sucked. Joba went from 500 seat parks in Nebraska to Yankee Stadium in like an 8 month span. Hughes was the golden boy we groomed to be the future ace of this franchise, not Joba.

Joba was picked with the 41st pick in the draft. The only reason he fell that far was injury concerns. He was always a highly thought of starter.

[lleeder]

The only reason he fell that far was injury concerns.

he proved them wrong:dry:

[cougarjake13]

Umm, my post about Price wasn't serious.

didnt know


i came into the convo late

[HBox]

he proved them wrong:dry:

The only issue he's had since being drafted was missing a month last season. Hughes has been much more of an injury problem.

[lleeder]

The only issue he's had since being drafted was missing a month last season. Hughes has been much more of an injury problem.

what about this year? he's hurt. write it down.

[HBox]

Man I hate to say this, and perhaps it's proof I'm wrong, but I agree with BDZ on Hughes and Joba. I truly think mental makeup has a ton to do with it as well. Employing this factor I see Joba having the close/setup mentality of coming out throwing 100% for an inning or two versus the grind of a starter employing strategy, conserving your are when possible, the weekly makeup and prep for each team (going through each batter multiple times) and of course utilizing each pitch in needed situations. Sure Posado and ur catching tandem could help in some of these areas, but the pitcher controls it overall. When I look at Hughes I truly see the one pitcher of the three BDC SWORE all could be aces that has the full makeup to be one. He's much more cerebral than Joba, has a deeper pitch selection and to me is your number 4/5 starter right now. Joba should be groomed as the possible replacement for Moe, setting him up almost daily, while Hughes left in the rotation so you could keep Wang in the minors for now as well (once back).

One of Joba's main problems lately as he's been struggling is shaking off Posada too much and being scared to challenge hitters. That's resulted in him throwing more pitches. He's maintaining his velocity well through his starts even as he approaches 100 pitches. I'm not too worried about that. He just needs to be smarted pitching and stop being so hard-headed on the mound. I see nothing insurmountable about his challenges right now. He has the stuff to succeed. He just needs to learn and that usually takes a while with young starters. It took Zack Greinke over 2 full years starting.

[HBox]

what about this year? he's hurt. write it down.

I doubt it. The way the Yanks freaked out over his injury last year suggests that they would pull him off the mound the very second they suspect anything. But we will see.

[zildjian361]

i think were rockin on all the way to the All Star Break. 2 games in first:thumbup:

[Kevin]

Who else thinks they are gunna be dominated by this guy they have never seen before?

[Hottub]

Absolutely perfect pick at 2nd!

[Doctor Z]

A solid win tonight.
How is it that we've won 12 of our last 14 and we're still in 2nd place?

What is it with the Red Sox and with all the winning already WHAT!!!
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[spoon]

One of Joba's main problems lately as he's been struggling is shaking off Posada too much and being scared to challenge hitters. That's resulted in him throwing more pitches. He's maintaining his velocity well through his starts even as he approaches 100 pitches. I'm not too worried about that. He just needs to be smarted pitching and stop being so hard-headed on the mound. I see nothing insurmountable about his challenges right now. He has the stuff to succeed. He just needs to learn and that usually takes a while with young starters. It took Zack Greinke over 2 full years starting.

Come on H, for every Halladay and Greinke you give me, I could rattle off tons of names that go the other way. We're talking about Joba and Hughes here, so we'll just have to wait and see if Joba is in fact the non-asian Irabu or not later.

[TheGameHHH]

Come on H, for every Halladay and Greinke you give me, I could rattle off tons of names that go the other way. We're talking about Joba and Hughes here, so we'll just have to wait and see if Joba is in fact the non-asian Irabu or not later.

and thats something Yankees fans are reluctant to do, wait and see. They want results now but yet cry that we dont develop enough from within. You cant have it both ways.

[foodcourtdruide]

and thats something Yankees fans are reluctant to do, wait and see. They want results now but yet cry that we dont develop enough from within. You cant have it both ways.

So true.

[Doctor Z]

Just because Joba is big-boned, it doesn't make him Irabu. We brought that guy over from Japan and gave him a monumental contract to do so.

Joba does kinda look like a non-asian Irabu though...

[brettmojo]

and thats something Yankees fans are reluctant to do, wait and see. They want results now but yet cry that we dont develop enough from within. You cant have it both ways.
It's not really the fans fault. For the last 10 years that is how the organization has operated. So really it's not all that fair to pin the mentality solely on the fans.

[TheGameHHH]

It's not really the fans fault. For the last 10 years that is how the organization has operated. So really it's not all that fair to pin the mentality solely on the fans.

i agree to an extent, but majority have just followed the herd like blind sheep. theyve become accustomed to and welcomed the "lets just go out and get that guy" mentality.

[Doctor Z]

Not just regular sheep, but BLIND sheep. That's double the sheepness.

[TheGameHHH]

David Robertson, are you fucking kidding me walking two runs in to get to Mauer?