Michael Jackson or Prince

[EddieMoscone]

As brought up briefly on Thursday's Show:

Until I see Michael Jackson pick up a guitar and shred like this, Prince will forever own him.

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[drusilla]

prince. no question.

[Liverspot]

The purple one above the gloved one.

[JPMNICK]

MJ all the way. Better, more reconizable songs and as crazy as this sounds, less of a weirdo

[made cummsies]

prince is a performer and a musician.....jacko is a freak who used to be able to sing, dance and grab his crotch

[Furtherman]

Prince.

[TheMojoPin]

Prince.

It's not even close.

Michael has a ton of great music from the Jackson 5 days ad hist first 3 solo albums, but Prince is just more of an amazing talent.

[Thomas Merton]

But really the more interesting question is who's the bigger weirdo

Other than the symbol name, how else is Prince weird? Likes hot chicks as opposed to boys, seems like case closed

[EliSnow]

We need to to have a poll for this one.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Prince. duh.

[Sarge]

Prince

[Gvac]

Prince is a fantastic talent but you're all on crack. Michael Jackson was from another planet.

Sorry.

[monkfish]

It has to be Prince. I think both of their music has been garbage for the last 20 years, but that little fidget has a ridiculous amount of talent.

[DarkHippie]

I can honestly say, without exaggeration, that Prince is one of the greatest guitarists of all time.

Jackson is a hell of a performer, but Prince is a great musician

[Hottub]

Why is this even a question?

Nick, you should be banned!!

[disneyspy]

on his first album prince did all the tracks himself,plus the movie purple rain was better than thriller-winner prince

[Gvac]

I can honestly say, without exaggeration, that Prince is one of the greatest guitarists of all time.

Have you been smoking up tonight?

[TheMojoPin]

Have you been smoking up tonight?

Prince is an astounding guitarist.

[Hottub]

Prince is an astounding guitarist.

Go to around 3:20.

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[IamFogHat]

Anyone who says Michael Jackson has never listened to a Prince album.

[Gvac]

I know Prince is a capable guitarist. I've been listening to him for 25 years. To call him one of the greats though?

Ridiculous.

Nothing innovative at all; just very competent.

[Hottub]

Sorry Moscone. I though it was a different one.

[DarkHippie]

I know Prince is a capable guitarist. I've been listening to him for 25 years. To call him one of the greats though?

Ridiculous.

Nothing innovative at all; just very competent.

Nothing innovative? You are out of your mind! You should be banned from talking about music for at least a week.

[TheMojoPin]

I know Prince is a capable guitarist. I've been listening to him for 25 years. To call him one of the greats though?

Ridiculous.

Nothing innovative at all; just very competent.

To call him just "capable" or "competent" is ridiculous. One doesn't have to been continually innovative to be a fantasic guitarist and one of the best. It's a very finite instrument in terms of what "new" can be done with it.

[Gvac]

To call him just "capable" or "competent" is ridiculous. One doesn't have to been continually innovative to be a fantasic guitarist and one of the best. It's a very finite instrument in terms of what "new" can be done with it.

Finite? Not at all.

And I don't judge how "good" a guitarist is by how many scales he knows or how many notes he can cram into a solo. Sorry. It's got to have something different.

I'd rather hear B.B. King bend one note than hear Yngwie Malmsteen play 30. It just HITS me.

Prince solos rarely do.

[DarkHippie]

Finite? Not at all.

And I don't judge how "good" a guitarist is by how many scales he knows or how many notes he can cram into a solo. Sorry. It's got to have something different.

I'd rather hear B.B. King bend one note than hear Yngwie Malmsteen play 30. It just HITS me.

Prince solos rarely do.

What about all those songs he wrote that sound exactly like NOTHING BEFORE or AFTER them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RoseBlood]

Prince :wub:

[TheMojoPin]

Finite? Not at all.

And I don't judge how "good" a guitarist is by how many scales he knows or how many notes he can cram into a solo. Sorry. It's got to have something different.

I'd rather hear B.B. King bend one note than hear Yngwie Malmsteen play 30. It just HITS me.

Prince solos rarely do.

I totally agree on fuckin' Yngwie, but I guess this comes down to personal preference: I think Prince has soul. You don't.

[IamFogHat]

I know Prince is a capable guitarist. I've been listening to him for 25 years. To call him one of the greats though?

Ridiculous.

Nothing innovative at all; just very competent.

Blowhard?

[Gvac]

I totally agree on fuckin' Yngwie, but I guess this comes down to personal preference: I think Prince has soul. You don't.

I never said that! I LOVE the guy! He was the last man on the planet keeping funk alive for awhile.

In all my years of hanging out with and talking to fellow guitar players, however, I've never heard ONE say "I've got to learn that Prince solo!"

I've never had the desire to either.

And when I go into Sam Ash or Guitar Center and see pimply faced boys playing all the guitars I've never heard a single one of them play a Prince lick.

Sorry, it's just the way it is.

[DarkHippie]

I never said that! I LOVE the guy! He was the last man on the planet keeping funk alive for awhile.

In all my years of hanging out with and talking to fellow guitar players, however, I've never heard ONE say "I've got to learn that Prince solo!"

I've never had the desire to either.

And when I go into Sam Ash or Guitar Center and see pimply faced boys playing all the guitars I've never heard a single one of them play a Prince lick.

Sorry, it's just the way it is.

Prince is not a blues or rock guitarist. Look to the more jam band oriented. He is also emulated among modern folk musicians (ani, kaki king, peter mulvey, etc)

[Gvac]

Ah! So folk is where all of today's guitar heroes are hiding out!

No wonder I haven't heard any that move me lately.

Thanks, Hippie!

[TheMojoPin]

I never said that! I LOVE the guy! He was the last man on the planet keeping funk alive for awhile.

In all my years of hanging out with and talking to fellow guitar players, however, I've never heard ONE say "I've got to learn that Prince solo!"

I've never had the desire to either.

And when I go into Sam Ash or Guitar Center and see pimply faced boys playing all the guitars I've never heard a single one of them play a Prince lick.

Sorry, it's just the way it is.

Maybe they wisely realize they are not worthy to attempt such feats.

[Gvac]

Maybe they wisely realize they are not worthy to attempt such feats.

HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!

I love you, you miserable prick.

[TheMojoPin]

This is what it sounds like when dicks cry.

[underdog]

Prince is a fantastic talent but you're all on crack. Michael Jackson was from another planet.

Sorry.

I agree with this.

Peak Michael Jackson songs blow away basically anything anyone has ever done. It's absolutely amazing.

[TheMojoPin]

Peak Michael Jackson songs blow away basically anything anyone has ever done.

What?

No.

I love a ton of MJ's music, but this is nuts.

[DarkHippie]

I agree with this.

Peak Michael Jackson songs blow away basically anything anyone has ever done. It's absolutely amazing.

he's doesnt write his own songs, or play any instruments other than vocals

[Bob Impact]

Jackson, but barely.

[DarkHippie]

Ah! So folk is where all of today's guitar heroes are hiding out!

No wonder I haven't heard any that move me lately.

Thanks, Hippie!

I know you meant that as a dig, but the most impressive movement in guitar right now is percussive guitar, which is snuggly in the realm of folk. More proof that outside of classic rock, blues, and r & b, you really don't know what you are talking about.

Besides, Richard Thompson and Yorma Kaukonen are still putting out amazing work while the Rolling Stones havent done anything worthwhile in at least 20 years. Kaki King is one of the most amazing guitarists out there, not to mention folk-bluesmen like Medeski Martin and Wood or Marcia Ball. Folk music has always had superior guitarists, just because you havent heard of them doesnt mean that they dont exist.

[underdog]

What?

No.

I love a ton of MJ's music, but this is nuts.

I'm also drunk.

he's doesnt write his own songs, or play any instruments other than vocals

Then he has terrific song writers.

[sailor]

jackson would just post up prince and wear him down.

[EddieMoscone]

Seeing Prince perform live was the most amazing experience of my life. After the show was over, I felt like I had seen god...amazing considering I'm an atheist.

[EddieMoscone]

MJ all the way. Better, more reconizable songs and as crazy as this sounds, less of a weirdo

I think Prince has more recognizable songs than you think...especially if you includes songs he's written for others.

[Pestz4Evah]

Ron always brings this up.....Purple Rain, in the rain.

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[EliSnow]

Let's do this like rational men.

What are the good/great albums each did?

Jackson has Off The Wall, Thriller and Bad (although the last is debateable).

Prince has 1999, Purple Rain and Sign of the Times as his three big albums, but I also like Around the World in a Day, Under the Cherry Moon and Diamonds and Pearls.

I like more of Prince's work, so I'm going with Prince.

[SatCam]

This is what it sounds like when dicks cry.

lol

[disneyspy]

prince's superbowl half time show beat the shit out of jackson's half time show

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[TheMojoPin]

Let's do this like rational men.

What are the good/great albums each did?

Jackson has Off The Wall, Thriller and Bad (although the last is debateable).

Prince has 1999, Purple Rain and Sign of the Times as his three big albums, but I also like Around the World in a Day, Under the Cherry Moon and Diamonds and Pearls.

I like more of Prince's work, so I'm going with Prince.

The Gold Experience is severely underrated and the last time he put a actual good album.

"Pussy Control" FTW.

[EddieMoscone]

The Gold Experience is severely underrated and the last time he put a actual good album.

"Pussy Control" FTW.

I love the Gold Album, but I also got on the Musicology bandwagon. I thought that was a fine piece of work. 3121 eh, Planet Earth shite.

[Gvac]

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I rest my case.

[TheMojoPin]

I love the Gold Album, but I also got on the Musicology bandwagon. I thought that was a fine piece of work. 3121 eh, Planet Earth shite.

I think Musicology is WAY overrated. It was a welcome change of pace from the mostly shit albums he had been putting out, but there's only like 5 songs on there I really like. The rest is really just bland and forgettable to me. Same with 3121, though at least that has "Black Sweat."

[TheMojoPin]

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I rest my case.

Your argument against the guy that wrote "Raspberry Beret" and "Purple Rain" is someone dancing backwards?

You've clearly lost it.

[Gvac]

By the way, Warren Zevon's version of "Raspberry Beret" (with Hindu Love Gods) blows away Prince's original.

Just sayin'.

[TheMojoPin]

By the way, Warren Zevon's version of "Raspberry Beret" (with Hindu Love Gods) blows away Prince's original.

Just sayin'.

It's a damn good cover, but let's tone down the crazy here.

[Gvac]

It's a damn good cover, but let's tone down the crazy here.

You're just a self loathing Caucasian.

[TheMojoPin]

You're just a self loathing Caucasian.

I prefer it when an amazing pop song is sung by someone who doesn't like they're gargling small dogs and the awesome music hasn't been turned into a big batch of kinda catchy sludge.

I can only guess this all based on the confusing feelings that overwhelmed Gvac when he was confronted with this:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZSRRivY4xlE/SA4lBHnSgwI/AAAAAAAABN8/fxyZtRZhtzg/s320/prince_ass.jpg

[Snoogans]

Even without the kid touchin things I choose Prince. Way more talented.

[epo]

If the Jackson Five could be included, MJ would have the win....but it doesn't. Prince is clearly better than Jackson.

[TheMojoPin]

I love the Jackson 5, but let's face it...they basically sang the same song over and over again. It's good stuff and it's fun, but freakin' New Edition had more variety than the Jackson 5.

[Snoogans]

I love the Jackson 5, but let's face it...they basically sang the same song over and over again. It's good stuff and it's fun, but freakin' New Edition had more variety than the Jackson 5.

thats your prerogative....you can do what you wanna do

[EddieMoscone]

Prince did the 2nd night of 3 straight on Jay Leno last night.

To me, Prince is officially the baddest man on the planet.

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Maybe I don't know shit, but this man IS a great guitar player.

[mikeyboy]

Prince.

[AKA]

His name is Prince - and he is funky

[Death Metal Moe]

Prince wins this one, handily.

[Death Metal Moe]

I can't go againt the man who brougt us this:

http://2.music.bigpond-images.com/images/AlbumCoverArt/226/XXL/Batman-Soundtrack.jpg

[El Mudo]

Prince gave the greatest super bowl halftime show ever...he's stupendous

[EddieMoscone]

Prince gave the greatest super bowl halftime show ever...he's stupendous

I was hoping you'd provide us with some statistical back-up for our case.

[vjr97]

as talented as michael jackson is.its prince by a land slide.prince is a better musician than jackson.they both have a huge catalog but prince has used little to no help w/ that music.michael always had the best producers etc.jackson might be the better dancer and thats a maybe.

[Death Metal Moe]

Michael Jackson is a performer. He has a lot of help writing his music and although I'm not 100% sure, is probably given songs to sing by people. He sings very well but it's not his work all the time.

Prince sings and plays the guitar very well. He is also a very impressive song writer.

That just puts Prince over the top for me.

[AKA]

If this were a "Who Raises the Best Bee Keepers" or "Who Has Slept With The Cast of Stand By Me" competition, I would HAVE give it to Michael.

http://www.pajamadeen.com/images/michael-jackson-children-2.jpg

[FezsAssistant]

MJ was actually only good as a kid.
After that, it was all the work of Quincy Jones.

Prince can play, sing, compose music.

[fezident]

Sophie's choice but... I gotta hand it to Prince.

MJ is a bad muthafucka though. NOBODY else can do what he does vocally on, say, "PYT". Nobody. Maaaybe Freddie. And even that's a maybe. Nobody can go from baby-voice to powerhouse without even flinching like MJ.

Having said that, Prince is an alien. If you roll deep through his catalog you'll see a guy who really can create.
Any feel, any genre, any style. He's a goofy bastard... but MAN that guy is talented.


If Prince and MJ were touring together, MJ would headline.... but Prince would own it.


EDIT:
This thread is an early contender for "best of 09".

[TheMojoPin]

MJ is a bad muthafucka though. NOBODY else can do what he does vocally on, say, "PYT". Nobody. Maaaybe Freddie.

And the Chipmunks.

[fezident]

Exactly.
Any other singer would have to speed up the tape to do what MJ does without even trying.

[FezsAssistant]

Sophie's choice but... I gotta hand it to Prince.

MJ is a bad muthafucka though. NOBODY else can do what he does vocally on, say, "PYT". Nobody. Maaaybe Freddie. And even that's a maybe. Nobody can go from baby-voice to powerhouse without even flinching like MJ.

Having said that, Prince is an alien. If you roll deep through his catalog you'll see a guy who really can create.
Any feel, any genre, any style. He's a goofy bastard... but MAN that guy is talented.


If Prince and MJ were touring together, MJ would headline.... but Prince would own it.


EDIT:
This thread is an early contender for "best of 09".


I agree with you, but Prince could probably sing PYT, too. I voted for Prince.
That being said...NOBODY gives me goosebumps like Little Michael Jackson in The Jackson 5. Jesus Christ.

[Death Metal Moe]

I agree with you, but Prince could probably sing PYT, too. I voted for Prince.
That being said...NOBODY gives me goosebumps like Little Michael Jackson in The Jackson 5. Jesus Christ.

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/juice/chris%20hansen.jpg

[fezident]

I agree with you, but Prince could probably sing PYT, too. I voted for Prince.
.

Ya think Prince could hammer that vocal?

I disagree.
At least... not without going into falsetto.

MJ's vocal midrange is 2nd to none on that song. He starts out rather "wimpy" and adds more and more bite as the song goes on. He starts adding a little more rasp with each passing line (thanks for the guidance, Quincy).
Then he hits his stride. By the end, he's wailing. Full-voice.... tons of power.... tons of affect & style. If you've ever heard another vocalist attempt to sing it, their limitations are immediately brought to the surface.


Prince is the shit, but his vox are always rather slight. Amazing singer in his own right but, that high-midrange just isn't there.


Again, this is a tough one for me because I love just about everything those two have done. Even (especially!) their lesser known works.

[~Katja~]

my vote went to Prince without a doubt

[TheMojoPin]

Wait, are you listening to some crazy bootleg version of PYT? I just listened to it again to see if I was forgetting some part of it, but I have no clue what you're talking about. It sounds like a bunch of other MJ songs and I'm not hearing this insane vocal range. There's just the part with the chipmunk voice that's obviously a vocal effect. I mean, it's a good song, but I don't hear what you're talking about. MJ has a stronger range overall, but I'm not hearing anything mindblowing on PYT.

[Death Metal Moe]

What the fuck is PYT?

[TooLowBrow]

What the fuck is PYT?

pretty young things

[hammersavage]

Pretty Young Thing

[Death Metal Moe]

Thank you.

Dude, this song ain't SHIT! Gimmie some "Rock with You" over this ANY DAY!

[drjoek]

DMSR by Prince

Nuff ced.

[fezident]

Wait, are you listening to some crazy bootleg version of PYT? I just listened to it again to see if I was forgetting some part of it, but I have no clue what you're talking about. It sounds like a bunch of other MJ songs and I'm not hearing this insane vocal range. There's just the part with the chipmunk voice that's obviously a vocal effect. I mean, it's a good song, but I don't hear what you're talking about. MJ has a stronger range overall, but I'm not hearing anything mindblowing on PYT.


That's the beauty of MJ's performance.
Much like Eddie makes playing guitar sound so amazingly fluid.

That vocal is a masterwork. There are, literally, thousands of various nuances that he's adding almost with each word but, he makes it sound effortless.

It's the benchmark.

[Marc with a c]

have they ever dedicated an entire episode of abdc to prince?

no. mj rules.

[TheMojoPin]

That's the beauty of MJ's performance.
Much like Eddie makes playing guitar sound so amazingly fluid.

That vocal is a masterwork. There are, literally, thousands of various nuances that he's adding almost with each word but, he makes it sound effortless.

It's the benchmark.

I'll assume Gvac's "fezident is mentally unstable" thread will be appearing shortly.

[Death Metal Moe]

That's the beauty of MJ's performance.
Much like Eddie makes playing guitar sound so amazingly fluid.

That vocal is a masterwork. There are, literally, thousands of various nuances that he's adding almost with each word but, he makes it sound effortless.

It's the benchmark.

Yea sorry bro. Like I know what "moves" a person is a personal thing, but I just don't see it in this one. I've been moved by other Michael Jackson songs more, not just other artists too.

[fezident]

But you DO all realize that vocal tracks are heavily heavily sculpted, right?
There are many many many times when a one ONE SYLLABLE word is actually a comp of three different takes. This is common.
You do realize that people (like myself) sit in the studio for many many hours & days just cobbling together a single phrase, right?
You are aware that producers spend MONTHS comp'ing a vocal?

The layers go into the hundreds on a 4 min pop tune. And that's not including virtual tracks. My Chemical Romance has over 190 tracks running simultaneously. Over 80 of them are vocal. These things are heavily heavily comp'd.
Engineers will take the tiny "tick" of your lips parting from one word, and add it to another.



Are you saying that Quincy Jones, or Mutt Lange, or Rob Cavallo are wasting their time? Or better yet... are "mentally unstable".



A simple chord on a guitar is sometimes recorded a single note at a time, stacked together, so every note in the chord is heard at the same time, rather than simply strummed. (this is so the chord "explodes" at once, instead of hearing the teeeeeny bit of time it takes for the pick to go from the first string to the 2nd string. Your ear DOES hear these things.... regardless of if you're aware of it.

I was at the 5.1 remixing sessions for THRILLER about 3 weeks ago. The engineers are STILL raving about the production work that went into that record. The fact that average listeners are unaware of the painstaking process that created it is a testimony to how well they did their jobs.

[Death Metal Moe]

See, that kinda shit doesn't impress me.

When that much is being done to a track, where does the machine end and the artist begin? You could make ME sound like a popstar with enough layers, tracks and filters.

[TheMojoPin]

fezident is terrifying.

Next we're going to find out "Leave Me Alone" contains the code for Enlightenment.

[EddieMoscone]

Just to be a completist, all 3 Leno performances in one post:

Wednesday

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Thursday

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Friday

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[Doctor Manhattan]

Honestly, even taking away all the weirdness that they both have, Prince is far and away the winner. But MJ does have the better selling album and wins solidly in a contest of weirdness

Prince has a new album coming out, but only at Target: https://www.lotusflow3r.com/th3b0mb.html Is it good to have an exclusive deal like this?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8b/PrinceLotusFlow3r.jpg:king:

[The Ogre]

I love Off the Wall and a lot of Thriller. I also love a bunch of the Jackson Five records. That being said, Prince wins easily. He is a creature sent from a distant galaxy to fuck the face of rock and roll.

[TheMojoPin]

I love Off the Wall and a lot of Thriller. I also love a bunch of the Jackson Five records. That being said, Prince wins easily. He is a creature sent from a distant galaxy to fuck the face of rock and roll.

Hahahahahahahhaahaaaah! Beautiful. PotD, easily.

[The Ogre]

I aims to please.

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