What are you people, on dope or something?

[Hottub]

Plenty of discussion today on drug use, drug dependency, addiction, and the pharmaceutical companies.
It was brought up that a huge percentage of America is drug dependent.
I see it more as who you know and who you run with. Figures were thrown about, but I need clarification. You can't put a dollar amount on it situation. Especially when the big drug companies get away with charging a hundred bucks a pill, and insurance just toes the line.

So?

[lleeder]

I'm unmedicated. I have high highs low lows and crazy rambling thoughts in between. Life is good. I've got my smile back.

[drjoek]

I take drugs for cholesterol and High BP that's the extent of my drug use in the last 25 years.


I think Rons assessment is not representative of the population as a whole.

[Don Stugots]

I'm unmedicated. I have high highs low lows and crazy rambling thoughts in between. Life is good. I've got my smile back.

same for me expect for the first part. it took a lot but i am smiling again. the pills i take do not make me numb, they just keep the edge off while i learn how to deal better. 10 mg once a day is nothing

[Hottub]

As I have mentioned, I have begun to follow A.J..
I self-medicate 12 ounces at a time.

[Gvac]

PTSD and similar mental illnesses require medication, just as a physical illness does. I don't know why some people have such a hard time believing that our brains can be damaged just as any other organ can, but it's true. Our minds function on a complex system of chemical reactions and electrical impulses and things can happen that cause these things to "misfire." There's nothing wrong with treating the problem and there's certainly no shame in it.

It becomes a bigger problem, however, when the patients (and the doctors, to some extent) begin to see the meds as a solution. They are not; they are a means to an end. Most mental illnesses can be dealt with and overcome once the patient is lucid and thinking clearly. To get to that point, however, often requires prescription drugs of some kind. Once the brain is functioning properly once again, it's up to the patient to deal with the root cause of the problems they're having and learning how to deal and cope with them.

I never fully understood mental illness of any kind and didn't believe in anti-depressants for most of my adult life. After 9/11, however, I began having severe panic attacks and sunk into an incredibly deep depression. I tried in vain to overcome it on my own (hey...I'm a tough guy!), and after I admitted defeat I went to my doctor. He put me on an SSRI (Paxil) and after a month or two I began to be able to think clearly once again. At that point I began to do some brutal self-analysis and weaned myself off the stuff.

That was 7 years ago and I've never exhibited any of the symptoms again.

[Ricky24]

All my drug use is well documented in the best selling GASPING FOR AIRTIME.
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[MacVittie]

All my drug use is well documented in the best selling GASPING FOR AIRTIME.
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Which can be purchased here (http://www.amazon.com/Gasping-Airtime-Years-Trenches-Saturday/dp/1401308015/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235437655&sr=8-1).

[Hottub]

All my drug use is well documented in the best selling GASPING FOR AIRTIME.
+ cardinals
- yankees

Now this is the kind of scenario Ron was talking aboot. But for most ham & eggers, this is not how life goes.

P.S. Jayjay is a whore.:tongue:

[instrument]

Wow, I didn't find a question in there anywhere.

[Hottub]

What are you, in 3rd grade?

[epo]

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[Ritalin]

Well.

You know.

[~Katja~]

I take drugs for cholesterol and High BP that's the extent of my drug use in the last 25 years.


I think Rons assessment is not representative of the population as a whole.

if you live outside of the US for a while you will definitely share Ron's opinion on that about the population in the US.

[Hottub]

From today's LT.

This still really pisses me off!
When Sean was in Kindergarten, they suspected he was ADD. Wanted to test him, give him drugs...

Turns out he was just really bored. He already knew how to read, and was waiting for the rest of the dummies to try and catch up.:furious:

These teachers who can't handle more than a few kids or different learning levels want to give out Ritilin like Pez.

[MisterSmith]

On second thought, it's not worth sharing.

[Ritalin]

From today's LT.

This still really pisses me off!


These teachers who can't handle more than a few kids or different learning levels want to give out Ritilin like Pez.

Why would you expect a kindergarden teacher to diagnose a neurological disorder?

[Hottub]

The teacher went to the principal and the psychologist because Sean was a hiccup in her tidy, preplanned learning outline.

We shut it down real quick. As a reward, he was sent to first grade once a week to do some real learning. High honors ever since.

[Fez4PrezN2008]

PTSD and similar mental illnesses require medication, just as a physical illness does. I don't know why some people have such a hard time believing that our brains can be damaged just as any other organ can, but it's true. Our minds function on a complex system of chemical reactions and electrical impulses and things can happen that cause these things to "misfire." There's nothing wrong with treating the problem and there's certainly no shame in it.

It becomes a bigger problem, however, when the patients (and the doctors, to some extent) begin to see the meds as a solution. They are not; they are a means to an end. Most mental illnesses can be dealt with and overcome once the patient is lucid and thinking clearly. To get to that point, however, often requires prescription drugs of some kind. Once the brain is functioning properly once again, it's up to the patient to deal with the root cause of the problems they're having and learning how to deal and cope with them.

I never fully understood mental illness of any kind and didn't believe in anti-depressants for most of my adult life. After 9/11, however, I began having severe panic attacks and sunk into an incredibly deep depression. I tried in vain to overcome it on my own (hey...I'm a tough guy!), and after I admitted defeat I went to my doctor. He put me on an SSRI (Paxil) and after a month or two I began to be able to think clearly once again. At that point I began to do some brutal self-analysis and weaned myself off the stuff.

That was 7 years ago and I've never exhibited any of the symptoms again.
I am really sorry you lost your hat. It's going to be ok.

[sailor]

wouldn't them wanting to test him be exactly what you should want? as long as they weren't throwing him on drugs straight-away it sounds responsible.

[MisterSmith]

wouldn't them wanting to test him be exactly what you should want? as long as they weren't throwing him on drugs straight-away it sounds responsible.

I think the point is that their first thoughts were drugs and therapy when his son was just bored. The boy was smart but their first thought was "he is troubled."

[Hottub]

I think the point is that their first thoughts were drugs and therapy when his son was just bored. The boy was smart but their first thought was "he is troubled."

Exactly. You can't look for immediate and drastic solutions. If they took a few minutes to talk to him, it would have been obvious.
It was actually fairly rewarding embarrassing her in front of the principal and superintendent.

[lleeder]

On second thought, it's not worth sharing.

pussy.

[drusilla]

i sort of understand where that woman was coming from today. i never had any alcohol, or illegal drug, or drug for any sort of mental or emotional issues. so i never understood the people who have needed to go in that direction. but that's just because i've never been in their shoes. i'm not going to say that one person is right or wrong, but that i just don't know what it's like to need that kind of help. i can't say that i've never been medicated though. on a daily basis i have to take stupid allergy medication to keep them under control. if i didn't i'd feel pretty miserable. the other thing is my migraines. when i get a headache i have to take a pill that causes vasoconstriction in my brain so the migraine will stop.

the major issue really is that people are dependent on this medication. you could consider me a conspiracy theorist (only for this theory) but i do feel that pharmaceutical companies are responsible for keeping people sick. they probably could find cures or help people with certain ailments, but it's just so much easier for them to keep you on a certain medication so you will just keep paying them. same goes for how insurance companies won't necessarily pay for some procedures that would be helpful because it's better for them to just keep charging you a co-pay every time you go to the drug store.

i dunno if this was already brought up today because i still haven't finished listening to the show today.

[The Nature Boy]

A large part of pill expense is the dramatic cost to bring these things to market, somewhere in the 150 million dollar range with all the FDA vetting which is probably a good thing, but a rare disease is just not profitable to cheat with those sorts of R and D and testing costs.

[drusilla]

my migraine medication is about $169 for a box of 9 pills. when i was originally prescribed it back in like 2000 i was able to get 3 boxes a month from my old insurance company. that slowly changed to one box a month, then changed to one box for every 40 days. i used to have to fight with them about it because it was like they were telling me i could only have 9 migraines in 40 days.


my new shitty insurance company upstate was only allowing me 6 pills a month, but they have recently changed over to allowing me 9.

[~Katja~]

my migraine medication is about $169 for a box of 9 pills. when i was originally prescribed it back in like 2000 i was able to get 3 boxes a month from my old insurance company. that slowly changed to one box a month, then changed to one box for every 40 days. i used to have to fight with them about it because it was like they were telling me i could only have 9 migraines in 40 days.


my new shitty insurance company upstate was only allowing me 6 pills a month, but they have recently changed over to allowing me 9.

after all these years there is no generic compound out for that yet?

[drusilla]

one time my old insurance company just decided to replace my medication with one of those imitrex sprays. i figured it was the new popular drug that everyone was now using for migraines so i decided to give it a try. i got so sick from it. it was one of the worst headaches of my life. i called them up & bitched them out to never ever change my medication with asking me first.

[~Katja~]

one time my old insurance company just decided to replace my medication with one of those imitrex sprays. i figured it was the new popular drug that everyone was now using for migraines so i decided to give it a try. i got so sick from it. it was one of the worst headaches of my life. i called them up & bitched them out to never ever change my medication with asking me first.

but then they did not switch you to generic but gave you a complete different medication.
Most drugs lose their patent after a certain period of time and then become available generic for a fraction of the cost.

I am waiting for a few allergy/ asthma meds to become available that way.

[drusilla]

yeah sorry, that was just their way of giving me something cheaper since there is no generic. it sucks, but that's the only medication that seems to work.

i have to take two allergy pills a day. one allegra which is a generic now & singulair which is not. so this tiny little singulair pill co-pay costs 2 1/2 times as much as the allegra. right now i pay $85 a month for all my meds.

[~Katja~]

yeah sorry, that was just their way of giving me something cheaper since there is no generic. it sucks, but that's the only medication that seems to work.

i have to take two allergy pills a day. one allegra which is a generic now & singulair which is not. so this tiny little singulair pill co-pay costs 2 1/2 times as much as the allegra. right now i pay $85 a month for all my meds.

yeah I know how that goes, before zyrtec was OTC the insurance insisted in me trying OTC allergy meds and even though I told them that I had been on zyrtec for 7 years cause nothing else worked they made me "try" which cost them an emergency room charge with the result that they let me have zyrtec after.
I did just start mailorder for 90 days on my singulair... hopefully I can refill it for another 90 days BEFORE my final end date with the company.

[A.J.]

I'm unmedicated. I have high highs low lows and crazy rambling thoughts in between. Life is good. I've got my smile back.

Did you go on a cattle drive with Billy Crystal?

[ruggedo]

Plenty of discussion today on drug use, drug dependency, addiction, and the pharmaceutical companies.
It was brought up that a huge percentage of America is drug dependent.
I see it more as who you know and who you run with. Figures were thrown about, but I need clarification. You can't put a dollar amount on it situation. Especially when the big drug companies get away with charging a hundred bucks a pill, and insurance just toes the line.

So?

Does it count if you take a pill that keeps you alive? I mean really keeps you alive, without it you would actually die? I consider that to be absolute dependency.

[Drunky McBetidont]

i only take soma on my way to the "boom-boom" machine. it is a brave new world we live in.

[zildjian361]

:sad:

[JAH1013]

I've experimented with most drugs in my 20's. Now I take 2mg of Xanax daily and use a little Kynd a few days a week after work. I don't drink as much and am a very happy person. Mark me down as recreational user. What's the problem? Overmedicated? Probably. Understressed - Yes.

[sailor]

Does it count if you take a pill that keeps you alive? I mean really keeps you alive, without it you would actually die? I consider that to be absolute dependency.

i believe the original discussion was about mind/mood-altering drugs. if you are on heart, cholesterol, asthma, etc it's not what was being discussed, but rather drugs that could be abused for recreational purposes.

[lleeder]

i believe the original discussion was about mind/mood-altering drugs. if you are on heart, cholesterol, asthma, etc it's not what was being discussed, but rather drugs that could be abused for recreational purposes.

I think this a full disclosure thread. Tell us about every pill you take. Then we'll decide what to poke fun at and what you really need to keep breathing.

[JAH1013]

I love recreational drugs, but you have to have a grip. I was on Vicodin for a legitimate reason and quit cold turkey because I could see myself taking it for the rest of my life. Now, I have pain daily, but i'm not about to fall off that cliff. Xanax - I have gone off and on to make sure that it's not an issue. Pain meds are different for me. Bottom line, drugs are fun.

[John Galt]

I took aderall for years while I was in school. Great for papers, lousy for creativity. Side effects included: I felt like a fucking zombie half the time, sometimes I'd get the impulse to tug five out consecutively. Not for pleasure, but out of some compulsion. It hurt.

Now: fuck it. No more pills. I'd rather take longer to finish something and actually feel human.

[ruggedo]

I think this a full disclosure thread. Tell us about every pill you take. Then we'll decide what to poke fun at and what you really need to keep breathing.
Those drugs help to keep you alive. I was talking about a drug that if certain people go without,those certain people would definately be dead.

[TjM]

I'm not on anything but I needed a fuck ton of drugs after hearing Dave's wacky views on religion