R&F Liberty Media Listening Thread for 02/23/09

[Hottub]

Good Morning.

Since it was such a crushing defeat, here you go!

http://www.thewallpaperbackground.com/images/wallpapers/Keeley_Hazell-266075.jpeg

Ask Dr. Steve (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=43)
Come to The McDonald's baby shower! (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77692)
Bowling and Waffles in PA. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77663)
Bergen Bar Night V coming soon. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77356&page=3)
Night Of The Living Bands II (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77834)
Homebrews, baby (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75112)
Start a thread, dummy (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=4)
Head up to the studio and hang with the buddies (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69230&highlight=visiting+show+live)


Have at it, people!

[ToiletCrusher]

Stunning eyes!

[KingGeno]

Be careful, Tub. You may be labeled as not having class and liking fake plastic women.

[EliSnow]

Be careful, Tub. You may be labeled as not having class and liking fake plastic women.

I'm not sure how well that label would stick, given that she's got a natural body.

Good morning my buddays.

[ANC]

Hiya Buddies! Crazy weekend. Got my bathroom renovated, a little paint and some fixtures and she's going up for sale!

[EliSnow]

Hiya Buddies! Crazy weekend. Got my bathroom renovated, a little paint and some fixtures and she's going up for sale!

You're selling your bathroom?

Is there much of a market for bathrooms out there?

[ANC]

You're selling your bathroom?

Is there much of a market for bathrooms out there?

:lol:

It was the last of quick fixes before I try to sell my place.

[Hosp]

Morning, where's the coffee?

[Hottub]

Hey hosp.
You got the donuts?

[Hosp]

Nah, Krispy Kreme didn't have the light on, there's a few bagels though.

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

Good Morning.

Since it was such a crushing defeat, here you go!

http://www.thewallpaperbackground.com/images/wallpapers/Keeley_Hazell-266075.jpeg


Your my Hero, Hottub!!

[drjoek]

http://xbradtc.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/diane-lane.jpg
Diane Lane:wub:

[Hottub]

Here is my hero.

http://technolawyer.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/09/chickenparmigiana450.jpg

[KingGeno]

http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/images/events2/halle-berry-vanity-2229-2.jpg

Halle Berry from last night. :wub: POA indeed.

[ANC]

Here is my hero.

http://technolawyer.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/09/chickenparmigiana450.jpg

Starvin'

[Hottub]

Fez was in great form last night.
I hope the energy carries over.

[FunkyDrummer]

Fez was in great form last night.
I hope the energy carries over.

He brought the sexy...
http://www.geocities.com/kurko28/1n3se-a7e806d0cc455be5edbae92e7c8bf0f8.49a2ccb7.jpg

[Don Stugots]

Here is my hero.

http://technolawyer.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/09/chickenparmigiana450.jpg

That's a sub.

Happy new year everyone!

Hats for mod.

[dino_electropolis]

heya buddays......


Saw Norton/Lange on Saturday nite.....great show....Norton definitely had the better set (and i should be partial, as Lange went to my High School)......


The most surprising thing was how nice people in philly were.....not at all the douchebags they pride themselves to be (except a few at the show, but hey......)

[dino_electropolis]

http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/images/events2/halle-berry-vanity-2229-2.jpg

Halle Berry from last night. :wub: POA indeed.

...starvin.....

[JimmieHats]

:bye:

[epo]

Good morning buddays.....

Today's song will be "68 Guns" by the Alarm.

[Jughead]

Todays song Wasting Away from some friends of mine :bye:

[ANC]

Todays song Wasting Away from some friends of mine :bye:

:thumbup:

Jug, you should try to make it out to the Night of the Living Bands..

[Misteriosa]

Hey there buddays :bye:

[dino_electropolis]

:thumbup:

Jug, you should try to make it out to the Night of the Living Bands..

Whats the Night of the Living Bands? If its some type of gig, i would def be interested in participating.

[EliSnow]

Today's song is "Hare Krishna" by Husker Du.

[ANC]

Today's Drop is from Slumdog Millionaire

Today's Song is Hare Krishna by Husker Du

[JimmieHats]

Husker Du. Interesting.

[Jughead]

:thumbup:

Jug, you should try to make it out to the Night of the Living Bands..

That would be great...:smile: Someday:thumbup:

[ANC]

Whats the Night of the Living Bands? If its some type of gig, i would def be interested in participating.

A show Stugots put together..

[foodcourtdruide]

Hey Buddays, took the day off!@

[realmenhatelife]

Has the sound mix been really screwed up lately? I feel like this opening was way low, and a lot of the phone calls have been nearly inaudible. Just me?

[Hottub]

Husker Du.
Not bad.

[dino_electropolis]

A show Stugots put together..

Cool, thanks.


As i dont know him in the least, i will resign myself to just being a listener i suppose!

[epo]

Husker Du. Fucking awesome!

Fixed it for ya.

[MadBiker]

Hiya Buddies! my first LT in a looong time. Unemployed!

[Dell]

Fez was in great form last night.
I hope the energy carries over.

will the oscar party be posted? I missed it and forgot to record it. :wallbash:

[MadBiker]

did not watch Oscars last night. Read Yahoo recap, looking forward to RnF recap today

[ANC]

will the oscar party be posted? I missed it and forgot to record it. :wallbash:

x2 :wallbash:

[Hottub]

Check out Audible later on.

[Dell]

Check out Audible later on.

Does Audible post their "extra" shows?

[MisterSmith]

Is there still a music bed playing?

[foodcourtdruide]

Does Audible post their "extra" shows?

They usually don't.

[epo]

Is there still a music bed playing?

Yes.

[JimmieHats]

Fixed it for ya.

kthx.

[Friday]

ugh.
i have to say that i can't stand ron's views on musicals.
bla


fyi... while Jackman was filming that underworld type movie with Kate Beckinsale, he was rehearsing his tap routines for Boy from OZ in his trailer.

[Furtherman]

Hugh's career will be fine. He did The Boy From Oz on Broadway for a while during the X-Men movies. He played a gay guy.

[foodcourtdruide]

I agree with Ron. Why don't they post the results? It'd be interesting to see how close it was.

[delgriffith]

afternoon buddays, did you hear will smith say boom goes the dynomite....

[MisterSmith]

Yes.

OK, thanks. My hearing still isn't 100% yet, so it is throwing me off.

[dino_electropolis]

As for Hugh Jackman, it shouldnt be so surprising.....


I mean, its not like his name is Hugh Diddlewoman.


Ah, boo.

[epo]

Mickey Rourke can now cash out with Vince McMahon and Sean Penn can make grown-up movies.

[foodcourtdruide]

I think Rourke is going to be awesome at Wrestlemania.

[sailor]

does the average wolverine fan even watch the oscars? i'd think not.

[drjoek]

Hugh's career will be fine. He did The Boy From Oz on Broadway for a while during the X-Men movies. He played a gay guy.

Hugh Jackman has been married for 12 years and has 2 children

[EliSnow]

fyi... while Jackman was filming that underworld type movie with Kate Beckinsale, he was rehearsing his tap routines for Boy from OZ in his trailer.

Van Helsing

[epo]

Hugh Jackman has been married for 12 years and has 2 children

Sure he is.

[Furtherman]

afternoon buddays, did you hear will smith say boom goes the dynomite....

That's right! That cracked me up.

[schabadoo]

Ron's wrong here. These people aren't using the Bible to be anti-gay. Jesus blasted a bunch of people, but not the gays.

[Furtherman]

Hugh Jackman has been married for 12 years and has 2 children

I know. I was pointing out that Hugh's performance last night will not hurt his career at all. If anything, it'll help, but it's not like he needs it.

[Dell]

Did Ron think Fast Times at Ridgemont High was a well acted role or pretend that Penn wasn't in that movie?

[Furtherman]

Jesus blasted a bunch of people

With a shotgun?

Because that would be cool.

[drjoek]

Sure he is.

http://dailyblabber.ivillage.com/entertainment/archives/cute%20dad%20of%20the%20day%20hugh%20jackman.jpg

[A.J.]

Did Ron think Fast Times at Ridgemont High was a well acted role or pretend that Penn wasn't in that movie?

THAT'S the role he should have won an Oscar for.

Ronnie forgot that Sean Penn and Tom Cruise were in a movie together: Taps.

[JimmieHats]

You can hear the show on the phone, you flippin hayseeds!

[KingGeno]

Dave's factoids really dragged the show to a halt. There was a great chemistry with opie at third mic.

[Dell]

THAT'S the role he should have won an Oscar for.

Ronnie forgot that Sean Penn and Tom Cruise were in a movie together: Taps.

Penn's acting was a bit better in Taps than in Fast Times. His acting in Bad Boys (I think that was the title) was a bit cringe-inducing as well. I do think he is a great actor now but I don't think you can pretend he didn't do "those types of movies."

[epo]

http://dailyblabber.ivillage.com/entertainment/archives/cute%20dad%20of%20the%20day%20hugh%20jackman.jpg

I'm supposed to believe THAT? I can't trust a word you say...you crazy dentist!

[Misteriosa]

im so upset imissed yesterday's show :(

[hydee]

Sean Penn said what he wanted. The only sugar that would make the conservatives happy would be if all the gays in America would just go underground. Conservatives and right wing republicans only care about their money, their guns, and telling women what to do with their bodies. They will never want the same rights they have for gay people so it is pointless to try to reach them.

[sailor]

slate (http://www.slate.com/id/2211832/) already has something on the ladies' fashions.

[Edwin]

Dave's factoids really dragged the show to a halt. There was a great chemistry with opie at third mic.

Disagree. I thought they were hilarious.

[drjoek]

There isn't a bone above the upper lip
:confused:

[FunkyDrummer]

Mickey's speech

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[SP1!]

I know. I was pointing out that Hugh's performance last night will not hurt his career at all. If anything, it'll help, but it's not like he needs it.

Duh its cause they are just a bunch of commie loving homos out there

[timhorton]

Hey buddays....Fez in a dress.....WTF...is he gay?...that would be the worst

[epo]

Interesting. February is Women's Cardiac Health Awareness Month....but I didn't make the connection.

[sailor]

Disagree. I thought they were hilarious.

fo' shitties

[Furtherman]

I don't know where Ron is getting this idea.... Wolverine will open # 1. It'll do better than X-Men 3.

[led37zep]

Afternoon Buddies!

[Friday]

I don't know where Ron is getting this idea.... Wolverine will open # 1. It'll do better than X-Men 3.

ron really is talking like a crazy person on this Hugh Jackman topic.

[hydee]

I don't know where Ron is getting this idea.... Wolverine will open # 1.

I agree. I am looking forward to the new one more the I was looking forward to the last 2. Wolverine is just a very interesting character. I don't care if Hugh wears a tutu and jumps around in a hula hoop for the Oscars.

[Dave's Cackle]

I can't take Dave as on air talent anymore. He's a hack who needs to stay behind the scenes in the main show. If he wants to do a hack show with another hack, Sam, then that's fine.

Fez was on fire last night. Dave's bullshit ground the show to a halt. His "factoids" added absolutely nothing.

[MisterSmith]

I don't know where Ron is getting this idea.... Wolverine will open # 1. It'll do better than X-Men 3.

ron really is talking like a crazy person on this Hugh Jackman topic.

Seriously. If the damage hasn't been done already then it doesn't really matter. The man is an actor and does a number of different roles.

And I think Sailor posted it earlier, but what freaking kids watch the Oscars? Especially kids that would be going to see Wolverine.

[epo]

Watch the Mechanic w/ Jan Michael Vincent.

http://www.cinemaretro.com/uploads/mechanic.jpg

[sailor]

I don't know where Ron is getting this idea.... Wolverine will open # 1. It'll do better than X-Men 3.

create a poll. like it will make over/under whatever amount the first week.

[KingGeno]

Wolverine is going to be bank.

I thought the Joaquin Pheonix thing was low class.

[drjoek]

Hated Stillers silly shit

[epo]

Did Fez just use "Ben Stiller" and "funny" in the same sentence?

[epo]

East Bound and Down was great last night.

[Furtherman]

I thought Ben Stiller was hilarious. Protect Joaqin Phoenix? From what? The guy is an adult, he knows what he's doing.

[MisterSmith]

The Golden Globes is a lot more International than the Oscars. The Oscars are purely American.

[MisterSmith]

Hicks poured beer on Mikeyboy's kids? WTF?!?!?!?!

I would beat the f@#$ out of that drunk if he did that to my kid.

[disneyspy]

buddays,i like when they talk about celebrities,its fez' go to subject

[Dave's Cackle]

Weren't Dave and Hicks both drinking last night? :thumbdown:

[Friday]

Hicks poured beer on Mikeyboy's kids? WTF?!?!?!?!

I would beat the f@#$ out of that drunk if he did that to my kid.

did this really happen? no way.

[epo]

That Johnny Depp movie is titled "Public Enemies (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1152836/)".

[Dave's Cackle]

East Bound and Down was great last night.

+1

Awesome new show.

[disneyspy]

ha randy has one of those faaggy accents

[Furtherman]

ha randy has one of those faaggy accents

That would be Staten.

[drjoek]

Wasnt the bump be from the Heath Ledger thing



Fez agrees

[MisterSmith]

did this really happen? no way.

I don't know if Ron is running a bit or not, but it is disturbing and disgusting if it did happen.

[drjoek]

I don't know if Ron is running a bit or not, but it is disturbing and disgusting if it did happen.

I got more of a problem with Dave getting shitfaced in front of kid no matter how old young is

[SP1!]

Wait, so heath won and michelle didnt come out and accept? Fuck his family, fucking attention whores.

[Friday]

Wait, so heath won and michelle didnt come out and accept? Fuck his family, fucking attention whores.

uh.... maybe she didn't want to accept the award.

[Furtherman]

Wait, so heath won and michelle didnt come out and accept? Fuck his family, fucking attention whores.

uh.... maybe she didn't want to accept the award.

She didn't.

His family was asked to be there to accept. Attention whores? Hardly.

[RhinoinMN]

Wait, so heath won and michelle didnt come out and accept? Fuck his family, fucking attention whores.

Easy, Francis.

[underdog]

uh.... maybe she didn't want to accept the award.

You obviously don't get it! A family's son died and they decided to come out and honor him and accept the award. They're obviously attention whores!

[EliSnow]

Wait, so heath won and michelle didnt come out and accept? Fuck his family, fucking attention whores.

uh.... maybe she didn't want to accept the award.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/additional/large/office_space_kit_mat.jpg

[disneyspy]

SP1-1
rubes-0

[sailor]

can we get some number on people using/abusing sleeping pills and the like? ron constantly acts like everyone is using, but i don't see it.

[epo]

There is so much coke in Miami that its ridiculous.

[SP1!]

East Bound and Down was great last night.

Fuck I am thinking I will have to add HBO back to the package, well at least thats something I can spend obama's $65 on!!

LOL

[A.J.]

She lives in Miami. What the hell does she have to be depressed about?

[Misteriosa]

ugh.. get this broad off the air.

[Friday]

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/additional/large/office_space_kit_mat.jpg

i am actually not jumping to conclusions at all.

it was widely reported that Michelle made it VERY clear to the press that she would NOT be attending the awards ceremony.

his family was asked to accept on his behalf.

[Freitag]

Julie sounds like me.

[SP1!]

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/additional/large/office_space_kit_mat.jpgThat game rules

SP1-1
rubes-0
LOL

can we get some number on people using/abusing sleeping pills and the like? ron constantly acts like everyone is using, but i don't see it.I wont say Im an addict but I love Lortabs, but then again I think those are sold over the counter in canada.

[EliSnow]

Can we have a moriatorium on every "Cliche Joe" name?

I'm sick of hearing people talk about Average Joe, Joe Lunchbox, Joe the Plumber, etc.

Especially when people use it as part of a message the normal, "real" people agree with them.

[Enabler]

Ron doesnt seem to understand that there are people who dont take drugs. Im not one of them...but this lady has a point.

[KingGeno]

And now the "disease" talk.

[led37zep]

Julie sounds like me.
You sound like a chick?

[schabadoo]

Wait, so heath won and michelle didnt come out and accept? Fuck his family, fucking attention whores.

Your idiocy is consistent.

[Freitag]

Isn't a mitigating factor that Michelle and Heath were broken up at the time? Would you want your Mom and Dad or your EX accepting you award?

Add to the fact that one of the reasons that fueled the breakup was Heath's drug use.

[EliSnow]

i am actually not jumping to conclusions at all.

it was widely reported that Michelle made it VERY clear to the press that she would NOT be attending the awards ceremony.

his family was asked to accept on his behalf.

Should have made it clearer. SP1! was jumping to conclusions. You pointed out an alternative that demonstrates that he was.

[schabadoo]

can we get some number on people using/abusing sleeping pills and the like? ron constantly acts like everyone is using, but i don't see it.

Factiod: 26.5 million prescriptions written for Ambien in 2005

[A.J.]

Can we have a moriatorium on every "Cliche Joe" name?

I'm sick of hearing people talk about Average Joe, Joe Lunchbox, Joe the Plumber, etc.

Especially when people use it as part of a message the normal, "real" people agree with them.

Only if we can ban adding "-gate" to future scandals.

[drjoek]

Can we have a moriatorium on every "Cliche Joe" name?

I'm sick of hearing people talk about Average Joe, Joe Lunchbox, Joe the Plumber, etc.

Especially when people use it as part of a message the normal, "real" people agree with them.


I agree!
Leave the damn name alone

[disneyspy]

if i ever kick this nicotine and caffeine habit i'll go to NA til then these fucks need to shut the fuck up bout shit they dont understand

[Dell]

The percentage of cocain on money speaks more to the amount of money tied to cocaine and not the number of people using cocaine. Fun with statitistics.

[schabadoo]

Ron doesnt seem to understand that there are people who dont take drugs. Im not one of them...but this lady has a point.

No, the lady(and probably you) doesn't understand that most people do take drugs.

[A.J.]

The only medication I need comes from the good people at Anheuser Busch.

[disneyspy]

Should have made it clearer. SP1! was jumping to conclusions. You pointed out an alternative that demonstrates that he was.

i dont think you people understand that hes fuckin with yoose,and you keep fallin for it over and over again

[Freitag]

You sound like a chick?

It's just that Julie had a lot of truth to her statement. I think Heath should have won, but I think making it a teary-feel good moment was a bit much.

[drjoek]

No, the lady(and probably you) doesn't understand that most people do take drugs.

Most people do NOT take drugs !!!!!

[Freitag]

Factiod: 26.5 million prescriptions written for Ambien in 2005

Factoid: That's less than 10 percent of the American population.

[Edwin]

I have nagging arthritis, so I live on Ibuprofen. Just a matter of time before they find me unconscious on the bathroom floor with a bottle of Advil in my hand.

[Enabler]

No, the lady(and probably you) doesn't understand that most people do take drugs.

No they dont.

[disneyspy]

caffine,nicotine and boobamine are addictive

[schabadoo]

This fucking fool.

Jack Nicholson warned him about Ambien being dark and dangerous, not the role.

[EliSnow]

Factoid: That's less than 10 percent of the American population.

And assumes that no one received more than one prescription a year.

[Hottub]

Julie sounds like me.

Linger

[KingGeno]

Anyone that says the majority of the country is on drugs is a dumb bastard.

[Freitag]

The only medication I need comes from the good people at Anheuser Busch.

Natty Light, 12 oz dosage?

[schabadoo]

Factoid: That's less than 10 percent of the American population.

Genius, that's one drug.

"In its study, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention looked at 2.4 billion drugs prescribed in visits to doctors and hospitals in 2005. Of those, 118 million were for antidepressants."

Buy a farking clue.

[A.J.]

Natty Light, 12 oz dosage?

BUD Light thank you.

[Misteriosa]

oxycontin is great. it did SO much for my pain relief when i had my wisdom teeth extracted. the buzz was nice but weird. i could literally feel my pupils dilating.

[drjoek]

Anyone that says the majority of the country is on drugs is a dumb bastard.

God, Thank you

Using Peppers opinion as an authority figure is just silly

[SP1!]

That paramedic is nuts, sometimes even the recommended dosage can fuck you up

[ANC]

BUD Light thank you.

BTW - Gave Bud's American Ale a try over the weekend.. it's not bad...not bad at all. :drunk:

[Misteriosa]

Natty Light, 12 oz dosage?

ahem... this is medicine we're talking about...


i'd say about 355cc dosage.. :happy:

[Freitag]

I think Ron is confusing experimentation, regular use, and abuse.

Ledger abused. Period. No sympathy.

A sign of abuse is when relationships falter. Isn't that one of the 12 steps? He lost his wife and mother of his child because of his abuse.

[Enabler]

oxycontin is great.


X2

[Hottub]

BUD Light thank you.

Savage.

[Misteriosa]

Savage.

he might as well mainline urine... :thumbdown:

[Freitag]

BTW - Gave Bud's American Ale a try over the weekend.. it's not bad...not bad at all. :drunk:

Finally, you drink something a man would drink. And we can agree on it!

[EliSnow]

If anyone wants to argue that the majority of the country is on medication or the opposite, does anyone have any facts to back them up either way?

And I'm not talking anecdotal, people-I-know evidence. I'm not aware of any of my acquaintances regularly taking medication. But that's just me. For all I know they are, or my circle is not representative of the country as a whole.

[schabadoo]

Anyone that says the majority of the country is on drugs is a dumb bastard.

"According to the U.S. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, $208 billion dollars was spent on prescription drugs in 2006"

That's just scripts.

Add to that alcohol.

But yeah, maybe the same five people are spending half a trillion dollars on these things.

/genius

[A.J.]

Savage.

I suppose you dislike my choice of smokes too, right?

[ANC]

Finally, you drink something a man would drink. And we can agree on it!

:lol:

[A.J.]

BTW - Gave Bud's American Ale a try over the weekend.. it's not bad...not bad at all. :drunk:

I've heard. I'll give it a shot. Thanks!

[disneyspy]

I think Ron is confusing experimentation, regular use, and abuse.

Ledger abused. Period. No sympathy.

A sign of abuse is when relationships falter. Isn't that one of the 12 steps? He lost his wife and mother of his child because of his abuse.

relationships is part of it but theres awhole lot that goes into the unmanagbility of live

[ANC]

Nervous much? :blink:

[EliSnow]

A sign of abuse is when relationships falter. Isn't that one of the 12 steps? He lost his wife and mother of his child because of his abuse.

The 12 steps are recovery steps. They are not signs of abuse/addiction.

[A.J.]

he might as well mainline urine... :thumbdown:

I tried a Coors' once.

[epo]

Pop Hicks?

http://bp0.blogger.com/_uGUdToUswvc/SA9w8G3ffOI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/pxbstpOrBTs/s400/TomWaits.jpg

[epo]

Klonopin? Ripper is a gangsta!

[drjoek]

Fucking Dentists!!

[Misteriosa]

im pretty sure its well known by now that i work in a peds drs office.

the docs ( med docs and shrinks) rx a lot of meds to these kids. they are in foster care. when a child has a behavior problem, im actually surprised that the foster parents are the ones clamoring for some kind of medication solution. from my experience, when a person comes in for a medical complaint, the client (or parent) is not satified unless they leave with a rx (even if its something viral).

[KingGeno]

"According to the U.S. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, $208 billion dollars was spent on prescription drugs in 2006"

That's just scripts.

Add to that alcohol.

But yeah, maybe the same five people are spending half a trillion dollars on these things.

/genius

Source? Better not be quoting wikipedia, a website that can be edited by anybody. Gotta see this "genuis".

[Freitag]

And assumes that no one received more than one prescription a year.

*Matty is about to say something funny, is immediately stopped by Mikeyboy shoving 18 don rigo cigars in his mouth*

[EliSnow]

"According to the U.S. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, $208 billion dollars was spent on prescription drugs in 2006"

That's just scripts.

Add to that alcohol.

But yeah, maybe the same five people are spending half a trillion dollars on these things.

/genius

My question is spent by whom? Paid by insurance companies? By the average person?

Plus, if the cost of a drug was around $200 to the insurance company (and some are are), that would mean 10 million prescriptions.

[KnoxHarrington]

Here's another problem with the drug culture we have now: Oxycontin is, in its intended form, a great drug. It's one of the best drugs out there for dealing with severe, chronic pain.

But some hayseed discovers you can chop it up and snort it, and it turns into "hillbilly heroin".

[disneyspy]

i know people that steal and sell scripts

[KnoxHarrington]

Pop Hicks?

http://bp0.blogger.com/_uGUdToUswvc/SA9w8G3ffOI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/pxbstpOrBTs/s400/TomWaits.jpg

The thing is that, at least for the past 30 years or so, that image of Tom Waits as a crazy hobo hasn't been true. He's a happily married guy up in Northern California now.

[Hottub]

When Sean was in Kindergarten, they suspected he was ADD. Wanted to test him, give him drugs...

Turns out he was just really bored. He already knew how to read, and was waiting for the rest of the dummies to try and catch up.:furious:

[KingGeno]

My question is spent by whom? Paid by insurance companies? By the average person?

Plus, if the cost of a drug was around $200 to the insurance company (and some are are), that would mean 10 million prescriptions.

Don't hurt his brain with questions like that. You may mess up his genius (knowing how to google).

[underdog]

I think Ron is confusing experimentation, regular use, and abuse.

Ledger abused. Period. No sympathy.

A sign of abuse is when relationships falter. Isn't that one of the 12 steps? He lost his wife and mother of his child because of his abuse.

Couldn't the reasons he started abusing be the reasons he and his wife we separated?

People usually don't just start abusing drugs. There's usually a much deeper reason for the abuse, and its usually those reasons that keep people apart.

[Freitag]

I find rather enligtening that Ron takes this tack when he got Radio Gold out of Anna Nicole's death.

But she had it coming - AMIRITE?!

[ANC]

"I'm telling you, one vice leads to another. Then you end up like me, so jaded the only thing that gets you off is freebasing ground up moon rocks. All this does is get me to normal."

[sailor]

If anyone wants to argue that the majority of the country is on medication or the opposite, does anyone have any facts to back them up either way?

And I'm not talking anecdotal, people-I-know evidence. I'm not aware of any of my acquaintances regularly taking medication. But that's just me. For all I know they are, or my circle is not representative of the country as a whole.

that's exactly my point. it bugs me ron is acting like he can extrapolate his friends to the rest of the country.

ironically, i'm having horrible toothache pain today and would gladly take something stronger than the advil i've been using.

[schabadoo]

Source? Better not be quoting wikipedia, a website that can be edited by anybody. Gotta see this "genuis".

?

The U.S. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality was listed right in the text you quoted. Jesus Christ. Here, you can go to their main site if you like: http://www.ahrq.gov/.

[KnoxHarrington]

that's exactly my point. it bugs me ron is acting like he can extrapolate his friends to the rest of the country.

ironically, i'm having horrible toothache pain today and would gladly take something stronger than the advil i've been using.

And didn't Ronnie rip that caller from Miami for thinking her experiences were "normal" too?

Ronnie's up on a soap box on this, and I'm not really along for the ride.

[drjoek]

that's exactly my point. it bugs me ron is acting like he can extrapolate his friends to the rest of the country.

ironically, i'm having horrible toothache pain today and would gladly take something stronger than the advil i've been using.

Too bad you weren't nicer to a certain dentist!:wink:

Seriously, Ron isn't exactly a "typical' American and for him to assume that his story is representative of everyone is almost funny.

[Freitag]

The thing I've noticed is that male celebrities can hide addiction problems better than female celebs.

[schabadoo]

that would mean 10 million prescriptions.

But that would mean you ignored all the other posts. Here, this is old, before the anti-depressants exploded:

"Retail pharmacies filled over three billion prescriptions in 2001 totaling $164 billion."



BTW, what does payment have to do with it?

[EliSnow]

Plus, if the cost of a drug was around $200 to the insurance company (and some are are), that would mean 10 million prescriptions.

Just noticed my math was off on the last part. I thought the original number was 2 billion. It was $208 billion. That means 1 billion prescriptions.

However, my point still stands. The statistic is meaningless without some foundation to the statistic. How many prescriptions are part fo the $208 billion? Does it count chemo drugs that approach $5-6k in cost?

[schabadoo]

Don't hurt his brain with questions like that. You may mess up his genius (knowing how to google).

It's ok, facts are scary.

You just keep going with what <i>feels</i> right.

[Freitag]

?

The U.S. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality was listed right in the text you quoted. Jesus Christ. Here, you can go to their main site if you like: http://www.ahrq.gov/.

Your quote was for $208 billion in prescription drugs...

You know that's not all anti-depressants and painkillers right? I'm pretty sure a big portion of that is stuff like chemotherapy, heart medication, valtrex, acid-reflux, "the triple cocktail", etc.

[Hottub]

Ron's off the mark on this one.
Normal?

[epo]

And didn't Ronnie rip that caller from Miami for thinking her experiences were "normal" too?

Ronnie's up on a soap box on this, and I'm not really along for the ride.

It is a bit preachy, but I get his greater point about abuse.

[KnoxHarrington]

OK, since we're playing the game of "My experiences determine the whole world," I can say I have not seen this whole thing of people running to doctors to get drugs to feel happier. The people I know who are on psychotropic drugs are on them because of severe psychological disorders that can't be dealt with otherwise: bi-polar, severe depression, other things.

You know, the brain is indeed an organ of your body and can malfunction like any other, so there might be a place for drugs that deal with it on that structural/chemical level.

[Misteriosa]

HA! perfect time for a carbonite live read :lol:

[Misteriosa]

OK, since we're playing the game of "My experiences determine the whole world," I can say I have not seen this whole thing of people running to doctors to get drugs to feel happier. The people I know who are on psychotropic drugs are on them because of severe psychological disorders that can't be dealt with otherwise: bi-polar, severe depression, other things.

You know, the brain is indeed an organ of your body and can malfunction like any other, so there might be a place for drugs that deal with it on that structural/chemical level.

one time, a few years ago, one of the clients tried to set my desk on fire... really.

i believed in psychotropics after that.

[disneyspy]

It is a bit preachy, but I get his greater point about abuse.

thank you epo,i was gettin nervous that everybody here was too busy tellin themselves that they were ok to be aliitle open to what he was sayin

[Freitag]

Does it count chemo drugs that approach $5-6k in cost?

Man, if you want to lose some weight, that stuff is better coke.

[hydee]

I smoke pot every freaking day. I use it sometimes to deal with PMS headaches and sleeplessness, but I never kid my self into thinking I am smoking pot for any other reason then I like to get fucked up.

My drug of choice doesn't ruin families, it doesn't cause cancer and it doesn't make people hit their kids and batter their wives.

My drug of choice is illegal and it truly is beyond my understanding why Alcohol and tobacco is constantly accepted and something that hasn't killed a single person in the history of the world isn't.

[KnoxHarrington]

thank you epo,i was gettin nervous that everybody here was too busy tellin themselves that they were ok to be aliitle open to what he was sayin

Oh, I get what he was saying, but he was overstating his case and falling into a couple of the same traps other callers fell into about this.

[EliSnow]

But that would mean you ignored all the other posts. Here, this is old, before the anti-depressants exploded:

"Retail pharmacies filled over three billion prescriptions in 2001 totaling $164 billion."



BTW, what does payment have to do with it?

That statistic was based on the amount spent. Who pays it puts it into perspective. If the amount includes amoutns paid by insurance companies, then that includes amounts in the hundreds or thousands.

Your average person usually pays co-pays. If it was money spent by regular people, that increases the number of prescriptions.

The point is that with any statistic, you need to have some additional statistics to put the number into perspective. If $208 billion was spent, what's the # of prescriptions made? and if they know that number, what the number of individuals involved?

Also, what's the average amount spent per prescription? If it's $300, that means a lot less presecriptions than if it was $3-4K.

For the people taking presciptions, what's the average number of prescriptions that person get per year?

[Freitag]

BTW, you know when Ron complains about the board next, it's going to be me he calls out.

Thank you, thank you.

[Freitag]

I smoke pot every freaking day. I use it sometimes to deal with PMS headaches and sleeplessness, but I never kid my self into thinking I am smoking pot for any other reason then I like to get fucked up.

My drug of choice doesn't ruin families, it doesn't cause cancer and it doesn't make people hit their kids and batter their wives.

My drug of choice is illegal and it truly is beyond my understanding why Alcohol and tobacco is constantly accepted and something that hasn't killed a single person in the history of the world isn't.

That's your personal POV. We don't have enough research on it to understand if it causes cancer or not, and you're taking your experiences and applying them to a whole.

And if you do that and you drive, there is potential for broken families.

[schabadoo]

Your quote was for $208 billion in prescription drugs...

You know that's not all anti-depressants and painkillers right? I'm pretty sure a big portion of that is stuff like chemotherapy, heart medication, valtrex, acid-reflux, "the triple cocktail", etc.

Ok, are we past the part of denying that people take these drugs, and now deciding which particular ones are taken? Geno's still waiting for the Surgeon General to give him a phone call.

There's tons of drugs out there. My buddy's on one for cholesterol, one for blood pressure and one for weight loss. It's disgusting. He still eats like a pig.

[SP1!]

Your idiocy is consistent.

So is your gullibility, all you have to do is add that one extra sentence to get everyone worked up, its amazing.

I still think they should just make pot legal, that would get rid of most of the prescription addicts out there, hell I know I would love to cook up some cookies or brownies every day.

[epo]

thank you epo,i was gettin nervous that everybody here was too busy tellin themselves that they were ok to be a liitle open to what he was sayin

Seriously, its so fucking easy in this society to get hooked on something. Friday I had a minor procedure done to remove a cyst. While it was painful, the doctor gave me 25 percocets. I think I used 5. So now I've got 20 of those little gems in my medicine cabinet.

As for the original caller....anybody who claims "nobody I knows" is hooked on something is a goddamn liar or a fool.

[drjoek]

What about Bob!!

http://www.6131records.com/store/images/DSC03424a.JPG

[EliSnow]

Ok, are we past the part of denying that people take these drugs, and now deciding which particular ones are taken? Geno's still waiting for the Surgeon General to give him a phone call.

There's tons of drugs out there. My buddy's on one for cholesterol, one for blood pressure and one for weight loss. It's disgusting. He still eats like a pig.

No one is denying that people take medication or that there are plenty of drugs out there. The question was how many people are on medication.

Your buddy is the perfect example of someone who has multiple medications. How many prescriptions does he get a year on those three drugs?

When you have one person getting multiple drugs/prescriptions a year, that helps explains that the number of prescriptions a year or amount spent can't be averaged out over the whole US population.

[schabadoo]

That statistic was based on the amount spent. Who pays it puts it into perspective. If the amount includes amoutns paid by insurance companies, then that includes amounts in the hundreds or thousands.

Your average person usually pays co-pays. If it was money spent by regular people, that increases the number of prescriptions.

The point is that with any statistic, you need to have some additional statistics to put the number into perspective. If $208 billion was spent, what's the # of prescriptions made? and if they know that number, what the number of individuals involved?

Also, what's the average amount spent per prescription? If it's $300, that means a lot less presecriptions than if it was $3-4K.

For the people taking presciptions, what's the average number of prescriptions that person get per year?



But, as I gave you a total of scripts filled in a year, it doesn't make sense.

If you took the total of people taking prescription drugs, added that to illegal drug users, smokers and drinkers, what do you think the total is?

[SP1!]

No one is denying that people take medication or that there are plenty of drugs out there. The question was how many people are on medication.

Your buddy is the perfect example of someone who has multiple medications. How many prescriptions does he get a year on those three drugs?

When you have one person getting multiple drugs/prescriptions a year, that helps explains that the number of prescriptions a year or amount spent can't be averaged out over the whole US population.



That would be a good breakdown but I know a lot of people on meds, some are heart meds, but a lot are pain or stuff like xanax, clonopin, etc...

I am still wanting a doctor to prescribe HGH to me, otherwise I think I will be on pain killers for my shoulder the rest of my life, it fucking sucks.

[hydee]

That's your personal POV. We don't have enough research on it to understand if it causes cancer or not, and you're taking your experiences and applying them to a whole.

And if you do that and you drive, there is potential for broken families.


I have never driven a car impaired in my life. I care about how my actions effect other people. No it isn't a personal pov it is just how the facts of pot. There have been plenty of tests about pot.

Pot is safer then aspirin http://blog.t1production.com/marijuana-is-safer-than-aspirin

[Freitag]

Ok, are we past the part of denying that people take these drugs, and now deciding which particular ones are taken? Geno's still waiting for the Surgeon General to give him a phone call.

There's tons of drugs out there. My buddy's on one for cholesterol, one for blood pressure and one for weight loss. It's disgusting. He still eats like a pig.

You're missing the point.

There are people who have legitimate uses for prescription drugs. Ron was defending Ledger, who ABUSED them. That's the problem that most of us have.

It's fair to say that everyone here will have one prescription written for them a year. It's not fair to say that this will lead to overusage, which was Ron's implication.

[ANC]

A perfect time for a Dr. Steve Call-in.

[SP1!]

Seriously, its so fucking easy in this society to get hooked on something. Friday I had a minor procedure done to remove a cyst. While it was painful, the doctor gave me 25 percocets. I think I used 5. So now I've got 20 of those little gems in my medicine cabinet.

As for the original caller....anybody who claims "nobody I knows" is hooked on something is a goddamn liar or a fool.

Fuck, 25. Percos make me sick for some reason though.

Most people take prescriptions and never really bring it out to the forefront with the rest of the people, its taken in the bathroom then start their day, its routine not an event like getting high was when people make time to get stoned.

[underdog]

BTW, you know when Ron complains about the board next, it's going to be me he calls out.

Thank you, thank you.

He called you out the other day about the Jim Norton / Al Roker interview.

[Hottub]

I got a sweet little scrip after having some oral surgury. I took one. It made me feel like a zombie. I switched to A.J.'s medication, and sold the rest for a nice little profit.
I guess that makes me a dealer.

[EliSnow]

But, as I gave you a total of scripts filled in a year, it doesn't make sense.

If you took the total of people taking prescription drugs, added that to illegal drug users, smokers and drinkers, what do you think the total is?

Again, the total number of scripts doesn't help either because a good majority of people getting scripts get more than 1 script a year. Your buddy is an example. Do you have numbers on the actual number of people getting prescriptions per year? Because wheb you talk about # of prescriptions per year or $ spent, you need other numbers to put it into perspective.

[underdog]

You're missing the point.

There are people who have legitimate uses for prescription drugs. Ron was defending Ledger, who ABUSED them. That's the problem that most of us have.

Don't lump everyone in with you.

Most people posting seem to have a problem that Ron thinks everyone is on drugs. You, on the other hand, think Ledger doesn't deserve any sort of sympathy. It's two separate things. Stop pretending people agree with you.

[disneyspy]

Don't lump everyone in with you.

Most people posting seem to have a problem that Ron thinks everyone is on drugs. You, on the other hand, think Ledger doesn't deserve any sort of sympathy. It's two separate things. Stop pretending people agree with you.

ya,fuck you matty

[A.J.]

I got a sweet little scrip after having some oral surgury. I took one. It made me feel like a zombie. I switched to A.J.'s medication, and sold the rest for a nice little profit.
I guess that makes me a dealer.

I got a script for Perks after I had a procedure a few years ago. I didn't even get it filled. The very slight pain I felt was taken care of with A.J.'s medication.

[underdog]

ya,fuck you matty

Thanks for having my back.

[epo]

Why wouldn't a great short-term love be worth the pain?

[EliSnow]

Don't lump everyone in with you.

Most people posting seem to have a problem that Ron thinks everyone is on drugs. You, on the other hand, think Ledger doesn't deserve any sort of sympathy. It's two separate things. Stop pretending people agree with you.

I'm in agreement. I think most people think that Ledger did have some abuse, but still have sympathy for the guy.

I can't denounce Ledger and say that he doesn't deserve any sympathy because he abused drugs. I'm not saying he has no responsibility, but the two aren't mutually exclusive.

[A.J.]

Pain is one thing. Bullshit is another.

[underdog]

I'm in agreement. I think most people think that Ledger did have some abuse, but still have sympathy for the guy.

I can't denounce Ledger and say that he doesn't deserve any sympathy because he abused drugs. I'm not saying he has no responsibility, but the two aren't mutually exclusive.

I never feel sorry for the abuse, I feel sorry for whatever caused that person to go down that road. Obviously there was something much bigger going on inside Ledger.

[Donnie Iris]

Why do people (including myself for the very first time just recently!) go to therapists with three hours of Dr. Bennington, five days a week?

[drjoek]

Dave in the doghouse today?

[disneyspy]

Dave in the doghouse today?

you were smilin when you typed that weren't ya

[epo]

Everything happens for a reason?

:thumbdown:

[Freitag]

He called you out the other day about the Jim Norton / Al Roker interview.

Yes he did.

Now, here's the 25,000,000 question: ask me if I care outside of being curious what he said?

I have no emotional attachment to R&F other than they entertain me.

[EliSnow]

When the caller talks about friends who drink all day long/night, and say that they are functional, I get two questions: 1) what is functional and 2) for how long? I think if you're continuously drinking all day, you may be "functional" for some time, but eventually that's going to end.

[drjoek]

you were smilin when you typed that weren't ya

Nope thats the old doc
not anymore

[Edwin]

Everything happens for a reason?

:thumbdown:

Every female's cop out answer for crushing a guy.

[disneyspy]

Nope thats the old doc
not anymore

i like joe09

[schabadoo]

You're missing the point.

There are people who have legitimate uses for prescription drugs. Ron was defending Ledger, who ABUSED them. That's the problem that most of us have.

No, the point was the denial of drug usage in this country. At least, that's what the point of the board discussion was.

[A.J.]

Every female's cop out answer for crushing a guy.

Followed by "I hope we can still be friends".

[drjoek]

i like joe09

drjoek sucks

[Freitag]

Pain is one thing. Bullshit is another.

ding ding ding.

cry me a river when people who are worth MILLIONS OF DOLLARS turn to abuse.

Seriously, I can understand abuse in sports and the WWE. But in acting? ACTING? What causes you so much pain? It's all pretentious crap.

[disneyspy]

drjoek sucks

not once have i seen anyone disagree with that statement,i just dont know why you have to keep remindin us

[EliSnow]

No, the point was the denial of drug usage in this country. At least, that's what the point of the board discussion was.

No, the point was the order of magnitude of the drug usuage.

No one denied that people abuse drugs. The argument surrounded how many people were abusing drugs.

[epo]

Nothing ventured......

Is this bad cliche day?

[Hottub]

When the caller talks about friends who drink all day long/night, and say that they are functional, I get two questions: 1) what is functional and 2) for how long? I think if you're continuously drinking all day, you may be "functional" for some time, but eventually that's going to end.

Knowing this board, Eli,

That could make a mighty good thread.

[ANC]

Nothing ventured......

Is this bad cliche day?

Is there such a thing as a good cliché?

[Misteriosa]

ive heard of the hot chick/ugly parentage rule.

ive seen it held true many times in HS

[Solace666]

Dave is nuts! HA

[epo]

I believe ESD just trapped himself....haha.

[SP1!]

Dave in the doghouse today?

Dave seems to put himself there, I cant wait for his next family gathering.

Oh and dave, fat does not equal ugly. Fat people can always lose weight.

[underdog]

ask me if I care outside of being curious what he said?

No.

ding ding ding.

cry me a river when people who are worth MILLIONS OF DOLLARS turn to abuse.

Seriously, I can understand abuse in sports and the WWE. But in acting? ACTING? What causes you so much pain? It's all pretentious crap.

This could be the most ignorant thing you've ever said on this board. And that is really saying something.

[drjoek]

Dave:http://images.inmagine.com/168nwm/comstock/kcd00180/kcd00180010.jpg

[disneyspy]

lily munster was hot

[A.J.]

ding ding ding.

cry me a river when people who are worth MILLIONS OF DOLLARS turn to abuse.

Seriously, I can understand abuse in sports and the WWE. But in acting? ACTING? What causes you so much pain? It's all pretentious crap.

Actually, I was commenting when Fez was saying he feared pain from relationships.