How do you feel about homosexuality?

[jetdog]

So I've been enjoying the after show meetings and the appearances of friends of the Ron and Fez show lately.

However, a particular sentiment comes up every now and then that really pisses me off.

How do you feel about homosexuality? Is it a disease? Is the drive for gay marriage comparable to the civil rights movement? Do you feel the need to vocally exclaim your manliness and declare your disdain for the homo?

[weekapaugjz]

Who am I to judge? Whatever people want to do in their own lives is of no concern to me.

[Don Stugots]

Who am I to judge? Whatever people want to do in their own lives is of no concern to me.

i feel the same way. whatever makes you happy just dont rub your balls on me and its cool

[disneyspy]

i listen to a radio show that is half a fag,and i love it

[midwestjeff]

just dont rub your balls on me and its cool

No one wants to.

[underdog]

i feel the same way. whatever makes you happy just dont rub your balls on me and its cool

I'm actually saddened by the lack of ball rubbing.

[underdog]

Gay Marriage opposition confuses me (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=74345&)

[disneyspy]

Gay Marriage opposition confuses me (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=74345&)

you must be the man in your marriage

[underdog]

you must be the man in your marriage

Hardly.

[made cummsies]

I take the same approach to sexuality as I do to religion and politics. Provided you don't try to shove it down my throat (your cock, your god or your ideology) I'll be willing to listen....hell I may even try something different, attend a mass or a meeting. The only issue I take with the gay/lesbian crowd are some of what goes on at their pride parades. I really don't care if you're straight, gay, bi or have stared in your own Mr. Hands video that's your business....what I don't want to see is the overt display of sex in public venues.

[epo]

How do you feel about homosexuality?

What adults do in their own home is their fucking business.

Is it a disease?

No.

Is the drive for gay marriage comparable to the civil rights movement?

Yes. If marriage is a union licensed by the state, then the same opportunity should apply to all citizens. In fact the "arguments" against gay marriage are nearly the same as those in the 1950s-60s against bi-racial marriage.

Do you feel the need to vocally exclaim your manliness and declare your disdain for the homo?

No. I'm plenty confident in my masculinity.

[weekapaugjz]

How do you feel about homosexuality?

What adults do in their own home is their fucking business.

Is it a disease?

No.

Is the drive for gay marriage comparable to the civil rights movement?

Yes. If marriage is a union licensed by the state, then the same opportunity should apply to all citizens. In fact the "arguments" against gay marriage are nearly the same as those in the 1950s-60s against bi-racial marriage.

Do you feel the need to vocally exclaim your manliness and declare your disdain for the homo?

No. I'm plenty confident in my masculinity.

I agree with everything you just posted.

[Friday]

How do you feel about homosexuality?

I fully support the fact that love is love no matter what your sex, religion or race is.

Is it a disease?

um... no.

Is the drive for gay marriage comparable to the civil rights movement?

Yes. If marriage is a union licensed by the state, then the same opportunity should apply to all citizens. In fact the "arguments" against gay marriage are nearly the same as those in the 1950s-60s against bi-racial marriage.

^^^ that.

Do you feel the need to vocally exclaim your manliness and declare your disdain for the homo?

I feel the need to vocally exclaim my disdain for the people who are too intolerant and closed minded to just accept homosexuality and go on with their own lives.

[Hottub]

Well, you guys pretty much summed it up.

[Gvac]

Fuck the faggots and the queers!

[GreatAmericanZero]

The whole thing is, even with straight people there are deviations in what we like. Some of us like big tits, some of us like really thin girls, some of us like only feet, some of us only like asian girls. So i don't think its that big deal that some guys just want to fuck other guys...it just happens. And, because its all condensing adults involved, who cares?

However, those transsexuals and people that have sex changes, i think they are mentally ill people and i actually think the fact that they are included under the umbrella of "the gay community" hurts the gay community. I don't hate them, i don't care that they exist, but in a world where alcoholism and OCD are considered mental illness, then there is no way that a person who wants to mutilate their genitals because they believe they shouldve been born something they weren't is not mentally ill.

[boosterp]

Who am I to judge? Whatever people want to do in their own lives is of no concern to me.

Perfect.

How do you feel about homosexuality?

None of my fucking business.

Is it a disease?

No.

Is the drive for gay marriage comparable to the civil rights movement?

In a sense but on a much smaller scale.

Do you feel the need to vocally exclaim your manliness and declare your disdain for the homo?

No. I'm plenty confident in my masculinity and comfortable with other's views on sexuality.

[DarkHippie]

Don't knock it till you tried it

[MacVittie]

see my mod quote

[JohnGacysCrawlSpace]

The single worst thing you can call a man. :nono::lol:

[underdog]

However, those transsexuals and people that have sex changes, i think they are mentally ill people and i actually think the fact that they are included under the umbrella of "the gay community" hurts the gay community. I don't hate them, i don't care that they exist, but in a world where alcoholism and OCD are considered mental illness, then there is no way that a person who wants to mutilate their genitals because they believe they shouldve been born something they weren't is not mentally ill.

The person doesn't want to mutilate their genitals, they want to change to the gender their mind feels they are. I can't imagine ever being in that situation, but I don't think I'd really call them mentally ill. Any that I see in literature or media seem pretty down to earth and put together.

[Gvac]

The only thing more disgusting than a straight up homo is one with a foot fetish who fantasizes about twins.

Talk about creepy...

[Fez4PrezN2008]

This is 2009, right?

I like teh gheys. Most of them are nice.

[TheMojoPin]

then there is no way that a person who wants to mutilate their genitals is not mentally ill.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

[Friday]

Fuck the faggots and the queers!

YES, gvac.... we get it.... you want to fuck all of the faggots and the queers.

talk about being redundant!

:smoke:

[Slumbag]

Same way I feel about what everyone else does behind closed doors.
None of my business.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I think love in general is a disease programmed into you by nature so there's more little Johns and Janes running around. Original thought #46

That said, I think being gay is a disease, but only if love is involved.

In other words, it don't bother me one bit.

[STC-Dub]

It is the worst thing you can say about someone. Really, I do not care, what people do is their own business who am I to judge?

[GreatAmericanZero]

The person doesn't want to mutilate their genitals, they want to change to the gender their mind feels they are. I can't imagine ever being in that situation, but I don't think I'd really call them mentally ill. Any that I see in literature or media seem pretty down to earth and put together.

anytime i've seen them in the media or literature they seemed batshit crazy. they all go right for the extreme stereotypes of the opposite gender and overdo acting like that

anyway, i do not see how transsexuals do not have a mental disorder. If a guy washes his hands 50 times a day and touches his oven 3 times before he goes to sleep, people go "oh he has a mental disorder, its OCD". If a guy was walking around saying they are anything but human (alien, animal, son of god) we think they are crazy. How is someone, born a man, whose brain is telling them that they aren't a man to the point where they have to spend $1000s of dollars in surgery to make them look like something they aren't isn't some kind of disorder?

I think with gays, its just what they are attracted to. But Transsexuals...its gotta be a disorder. With everything we know and consider mental disorders, Trannies have to fall under that umbrella way more than they fall under the umbrella of homosexuality.

[TjM]

My wife's cousin is gay. I really don't care who does what to whom as long as minors aren't involved.

Having said that you will never convince me it's "natural"

[skyscraper]

This is 2009, right?

I like teh gheys. Most of them are nice.

but not all....

http://i36.tinypic.com/2n6g2tw.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

anyway, i do not see how transsexuals do not have a mental disorder. If a guy washes his hands 50 times a day and touches his oven 3 times before he goes to sleep, people go "oh he has a mental disorder, its OCD". If a guy was walking around saying they are anything but human (alien, animal, son of god) we think they are crazy. How is someone, born a man, whose brain is telling them that they aren't a man to the point where they have to spend $1000s of dollars in surgery to make them look like something they aren't isn't some kind of disorder?

Behavorial and psychological patterns seen throughout history coupled with what we know about human biology. That's not saying everyone wanting that is hunky-dory, but it's not widely seen as a disorder due largely to the opinions of the psychological and scientific community and their studies on the matter.

[RhinoinMN]

Yes. If marriage is a union licensed by the state, then the same opportunity should apply to all citizens.

Please feel free to correct me or bring me more up to speed if my comments may seem ridiculous, because I really am not well versed with the controversy.

The religious right is mainly responsible for gays to not be married because of the religious meaning of marriage between opposite sex.

I'm sure this has been brought up, but if gays could be "unionized" with all of the same legal benefits and recognition as "marriage", would that solve anything?

I haven't put any weight into my thoughts, just thinking out loud.

[disneyspy]

why,what have you heard?

[ToiletCrusher]

If a person is comfortable with their own orientation, I am comfortable with them.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I have a few friends that are gay, they dont bother me


I dont like the gay/lesbian couple who still try to be shocking, we get it , you are gay

many are like you

[Misteriosa]

How do you feel about homosexuality?
having been in dance since i was 3, ive literally grown up around gays. i thought it was totally natural to have effeminate men around.

Is it a disease?
No.

Is the drive for gay marriage comparable to the civil rights movement?

Yes. having a gay/bi sister, it really makes me sad that should my sister find a female with whom she would want to spend the rest of her life, she cant because some bible thumper out in the corn belt feels that it goes against his version of what God wants. my sister's right for her pursuit of happiness should not be stomped on by them.

Do you feel the need to vocally exclaim your womanliness and declare your disdain for the homo?

No.

[Melk]

How do you feel about homosexuality?

I don't have a feeling about it.

Is it a disease?

I don't think so, but a lot of my gay friends seem to have some kind of psychological issue; severe social awkwardness, vicious hatred of members of the opposite sex (vagina phobia, hetero-phobia), inability to identify and respond to jokes, megalomania and so on. If I based my opinion of homosexuals off of my homosexual friends, I would say "it is a side effect of a slew of psychological issues."

But still, I don't think it is a disease or a inherently biological.

Is the drive for gay marriage comparable to the civil rights movement?

Perhaps, but on a much much smaller level. Homosexuals are not forbidden to have jobs, money, education or housing in the same way or quantity that black people were.

The homosexual political movement is like the feminist movement. The good element doesn't its bad element to task. One of my closest friends came out of the closet. I went with him to his first gay bar, because he didn't want to be alone. I went there. The bar was quite nice, clean, and so on. It is not exposed to the public. When the Gay Pride Parade comes through town there are simulated acts of sex on the street, mock pedophilia, guys running around with strap-ons on flashing people, etc. The parade is such an idiotic move for a social group seeking privileges from the scared, vocal minority.

When people marched in Montgomery, Alabama, they didn't have pockets of men simulating strong-armed robbery or mock-drinking 40s. A political movement is typically only as strong as its worst element.

Do you feel the need to vocally exclaim your manliness and declare your disdain for the homo?

Not at all.

[TjM]

How do you feel about homosexuality?

Don't care

Is it a disease?

No



Is the drive for gay marriage comparable to the civil rights movement?

somewhat

Do you feel the need to vocally exclaim your manliness and declare your disdain for the homo?

You want to go mutha&&&er!!!!

JK. No I don't

[A.J.]

I'm pro lesbian porn.

[evboat]

no problem with it. What ever gets you through the night. I live out in the heart of hickville so I get the other side constantly. Mostly from idiots.

[beachbum]

I bet it makes your ass really sore,especially if you have been dining at a Mexican or Thai restaurant.

[DOHO@HOME]

I love to make fun of those people and even enjoy watching them make over their houses on t.v.
:lol:

[Dude!]

How do you feel about homosexuality?

I don't have a feeling about it.

Is it a disease?

I don't think so, but a lot of my gay friends seem to have some kind of psychological issue; severe social awkwardness, vicious hatred of members of the opposite sex (vagina phobia, hetero-phobia), inability to identify and respond to jokes, megalomania and so on. If I based my opinion of homosexuals off of my homosexual friends, I would say "it is a side effect of a slew of psychological issues."

But still, I don't think it is a disease or a inherently biological.

Is the drive for gay marriage comparable to the civil rights movement?

Perhaps, but on a much much smaller level. Homosexuals are not forbidden to have jobs, money, education or housing in the same way or quantity that black people were.

The homosexual political movement is like the feminist movement. The good element doesn't its bad element to task. One of my closest friends came out of the closet. I went with him to his first gay bar, because he didn't want to be alone. I went there. The bar was quite nice, clean, and so on. It is not exposed to the public. When the Gay Pride Parade comes through town there are simulated acts of sex on the street, mock pedophilia, guys running around with strap-ons on flashing people, etc. The parade is such an idiotic move for a social group seeking privileges from the scared, vocal minority.

When people marched in Montgomery, Alabama, they didn't have pockets of men simulating strong-armed robbery or mock-drinking 40s. A political movement is typically only as strong as its worst element.

Do you feel the need to vocally exclaim your manliness and declare your disdain for the homo?

Not at all.

that was an interesting and thoughtful perspective

[Furtherman]

I don't think so, but a lot of my gay friends seem to have some kind of psychological issue; severe social awkwardness, vicious hatred of members of the opposite sex (vagina phobia, hetero-phobia), inability to identify and respond to jokes, megalomania and so on. If I based my opinion of homosexuals off of my homosexual friends, I would say "it is a side effect of a slew of psychological issues."

I know a lot, actually more, straight people who have those problems.

[evboat]

Why is Melk's post quoted as me? I agree with Furtherman

[Dude!]

Why is Melk's post quoted as me?

maybe furtherman has
'a slew of the psycholgical issues'
referred to

or maybe 'severe social awkwardness'

[epo]

Please feel free to correct me or bring me more up to speed if my comments may seem ridiculous, because I really am not well versed with the controversy.

The religious right is mainly responsible for gays to not be married because of the religious meaning of marriage between opposite sex.

I'm sure this has been brought up, but if gays could be "unionized" with all of the same legal benefits and recognition as "marriage", would that solve anything?

I haven't put any weight into my thoughts, just thinking out loud.

I'll direct you to a post from the Gay Marriage thread. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1949201&postcount=60)

[Furtherman]

maybe furtherman has
'a slew of the psycholgical issues'
referred to

or maybe 'severe social awkwardness'

Nope. None of those.

It should have been quoted from Melk, I have no idea why it quoted evboat.

Because evboat agrees with me, he is correct.

[keithy_19]

I think that homosexuals should have the same rights as straight couples.

With that being said, I agree that their overtly flamboyant pride marches disgust me. It has nothing to do with homosexuality, but more to do with the fact that I'm not a fan of open displays of affection. I also feel that it just makes stereotypes more true and is, as somone stated before me, detrimental to the movement.

My favorite line discouraging gays has to be 'soon we won't be able to procreate and the human race will die out'.

There are two things wrong with this thinking. The first, of course, being that I'm not going to start being attracted to men just because gay couples can get married.

And secondly, and maybe more importantly, why is the human race dying out looked on as a bad thing?

[GreatAmericanZero]

Behavorial and psychological patterns seen throughout history coupled with what we know about human biology. That's not saying everyone wanting that is hunky-dory, but it's not widely seen as a disorder due largely to the opinions of the psychological and scientific community and their studies on the matter.

i know its not considered a disorder by scientist, but its gotta be a P.C. reason

here is the definition of mental disorder

behavioral pattern that occurs in an individual and is thought to cause distress or disability that is not expected as part of normal development or culture

people that feel like they need thousands of dollars of surgery to change their genitals completely fall into this definition. its so clear to me

[jetdog]

Do you feel the need to vocally exclaim your womanliness and declare your disdain for the homo?



There are several things I regret about the wording of this post, thank you for fixing one of them.

[keithy_19]

There are several things I regret about the wording of this post, thank you for fixing one of them.

I think, generally speaking, that men are more prone to criticize/bash homosexuality.

[Ritalin]

i know its not considered a disorder by scientist, but its gotta be a P.C. reason

here is the definition of mental disorder

behavioral pattern that occurs in an individual and is thought to cause distress or disability that is not expected as part of normal development or culture

people that feel like they need thousands of dollars of surgery to change their genitals completely fall into this definition. its so clear to me

But here's the thing: the process by which the fetus develops sexual organs is very delicate and very precise. When you understand how it happens, the timing of the release of hormones from the mother and the fetus, it's a wonder there aren't more cases of abnormalities.

There are people who were raised as boys until their early teens when they started peeing blood, and it turned out that they are actually women who developed penises in utero yet had a full complement of female internal organs.

So how are we to judge when someone looks society right in the eye and says, I'm not who you think I am.

Are there people who seek sexual reassignment surgery for other reasons? Sure, just as there are people out there who desire to be amputees, people who feel compelled in some way to sever a perfectly good limb. I find that odd. I find people who are compulsively religious to be odd as well, but I'm not ready to wave my hand and deem them all mentally ill.

[boosterp]

anytime i've seen them in the media or literature they seemed batshit crazy. they all go right for the extreme stereotypes of the opposite gender and overdo acting like that

anyway, i do not see how transsexuals do not have a mental disorder. If a guy washes his hands 50 times a day and touches his oven 3 times before he goes to sleep, people go "oh he has a mental disorder, its OCD". If a guy was walking around saying they are anything but human (alien, animal, son of god) we think they are crazy. How is someone, born a man, whose brain is telling them that they aren't a man to the point where they have to spend $1000s of dollars in surgery to make them look like something they aren't isn't some kind of disorder?

I think with gays, its just what they are attracted to. But Transsexuals...its gotta be a disorder. With everything we know and consider mental disorders, Trannies have to fall under that umbrella way more than they fall under the umbrella of homosexuality.

Many transexuals suffer from depression from taking hormones such as testosterone to become male or estrogens to become female. It is a biological mess in trying to rewire your brain and body to think it's the opposite sex.

Behavorial and psychological patterns seen throughout history coupled with what we know about human biology. That's not saying everyone wanting that is hunky-dory, but it's not widely seen as a disorder due largely to the opinions of the psychological and scientific community and their studies on the matter.

i know its not considered a disorder by scientist, but its gotta be a P.C. reason

You have to be joking me?

here is the definition of mental disorder

behavioral pattern that occurs in an individual and is thought to cause distress or disability that is not expected as part of normal development or culture

people that feel like they need thousands of dollars of surgery to change their genitals completely fall into this definition. its so clear to me
Again, there is nothing described in the DSM IV. Therefore it is not a mental disorder.

[GreatAmericanZero]

But here's the thing: the process by which the fetus develops sexual organs is very delicate and very precise. When you understand how it happens, the timing of the release of hormones from the mother and the fetus, it's a wonder there aren't more cases of abnormalities.

There are people who were raised as boys until their early teens when they started peeing blood, and it turned out that they are actually women who developed penises in utero yet had a full complement of female internal organs.

So how are we to judge when someone looks society right in the eye and says, I'm not who you think I am.

Are there people who seek sexual reassignment surgery for other reasons? Sure, just as there are people out there who desire to be amputees, people who feel compelled in some way to sever a perfectly good limb. I find that odd. I find people who are compulsively religious to be odd as well, but I'm not ready to wave my hand and deem them all mentally ill.

even if it is genetic, so is schizophrenia and thats a mental illness. Like I said before, I dont hate transsexuals or think they shouldn't exist, but if i see one i equate them to someone with a mental disorder. I had a co-worker once that would wash his hands every 15mins...i looked down on that person for being crazy. I'm sure he wished he didn't have the need to wash his hands that much but he did. If I met a transsexual i would view them as a mentally sick person

[TheMojoPin]

Isn't the "disorder" that they were born with the wrong gender identity? Why not attempt to treat that as you would other disorders? I think you're flipflopping what is the disorder. You want what's wrong for them to be what's right.

[lleeder]

Who am I to judge? Whatever people want to do in their own lives is of no concern to me.

Even if they want to fuck babies?

[keithy_19]

Even if they want to fuck babies?

Especially if they fuck babies.