Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen [Archive]

KingGeno

02-18-2009, 05:36 AM

What it that giant motorcycle type/rolling thing at the end of the trailer supposed to be?

Demolisher, the Constructicon. He is 1/6 of the combined Constructicons that form Devastator

And who is that Audi R8 supposed to be? (The first one you see transform after crashing through the building)

Sideways

I was into Transformers as a kid but after doing some research I don't know many of the characters beyond the ones that appear in the first movie plus Sound Wave and his cassettes. And speaking of them, why does Ravage only have 1 eye?

Confused about that also, but we'll see.

Lot of people aren't happy with the designs of the bots for this movie series. Some are kind of ridiculous, but I've gotten used to it.

Some of the original cartoon characters have and are making appearances, specially in this movie. There are supposed to be 40+ total bots in this sequel.

SP1!

02-18-2009, 05:44 AM

I cant believe this isnt a straight to DVD release, didnt the first one make more money over seas than here inside the US?

Furtherman

02-18-2009, 05:49 AM

I cant believe this isnt a straight to DVD release, didnt the first one make more money over seas than here inside the US?

Are you kidding? Transformers made over 300 million in the U.S. alone. It was a huge hit. Crappy movie, but a huge hit.

KingGeno

02-18-2009, 05:52 AM

I cant believe this isnt a straight to DVD release, didnt the first one make more money over seas than here inside the US?

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SP1!

02-18-2009, 05:59 AM

Are you kidding? Transformers made over 300 million in the U.S. alone. It was a huge hit. Crappy movie, but a huge hit.

First one made $70+ million opening weekend, owns the best tuesday opening day all time, and made: $320 million domestic, $390 million foreign. Made a lot of money.

Yeah I saw that, never knew that till I looked on boxofficemojo, I cant believe it. That movie made the sequels for back to the future look like excellent films and I was a big fan of the transformers when I was a kid but the movie was just complete shit.

Amazing, the public does love shit, we cant say america since over seas made more money.

Furtherman

02-18-2009, 06:03 AM

Amazing, the public does love shit, we cant say america since over seas made more money.

Actually, yes, we can say that American loves shit movies.

KingGeno

02-18-2009, 06:06 AM

Amazing, the public does love shit, we cant say america since over seas made more money.

Actually, yes, we can say that American loves shit movies.

Agreed. That, and the fact that Speilberg was executive producer helped it's wide wide release. I'm not a fan of Bay's shaky cam up close dirty look shooting, but eh. I thought the first movie was a good popcorn flick, but the cam just needs to be pulled back.

SP1!

02-18-2009, 06:08 AM

Actually, yes, we can say that American loves shit movies.

Ok well over seas likes sucky shit more than america does.

I hated that movie, thought the plot was terrible, and the acting complete shit, the only saving grace was the effects.

TripleSkeet

02-18-2009, 07:11 AM

It was a great popcorn movie.

Who goes to see a movie based on an 80's toy looking for an amazing plot?

drusilla

02-18-2009, 07:57 AM

exactly. sometimes you're just in the mood for a popcorn movies. not all movies have to make your neurons fire to be entertaining.

Doctor Manhattan

02-18-2009, 10:58 AM

Demolisher, the Constructicon. He is 1/6 of the combined Constructicons that form Devastator

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It looks HUGE. he must turn into one of those giant construction vehicles:
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I think that was Optimus Prime fighting him and Opti is already big.:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5897/optiaj9.jpg
Optimus is running on the bridge as Demolisher is just starting to hit it. And it does get demolished, so he has the right name.

So when combined, Devastator has got to be Ginormus!

And of course the story is stupid, it's a fucking movie based on a cartoon based on a series of Japanese toys. They literally made the toys first and then filled in the story in order to make the cartoon.

Dirtbag

02-18-2009, 11:39 AM

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6898/72023700gw7.jpg
I do like that he's the first thing in the series to actually look like the sum of his parts, but the head is ridiculous. I do really wanna see just how big they made him.

SP1!

02-18-2009, 11:43 AM

It was a great popcorn movie.

Who goes to see a movie based on an 80's toy looking for an amazing plot?

A subpar plot would have been better, it was even bad for a popcorn film, I look at batman films and ironman to be good popcorn films outside of the effects it was a mess, I still dont know what they were looking for.

Reynolds

02-18-2009, 11:44 AM

Ok well over seas likes sucky shit more than america does.

I hated that movie, thought the plot was terrible, and the acting complete shit, the only saving grace was the effects.

How do you figure the rest of the world total being barely more than what it made in the US alone = overseas likes sucky shit more?

KingGeno

02-18-2009, 12:07 PM

I do like that he's the first thing in the series to actually look like the sum of his parts, but the head is ridiculous. I do really wanna see just how big they made him.

He will supposedly be about 120 feet tall in the movie, and his head is a cement mixer that can suck things up and grind them.

Reynolds

02-18-2009, 12:09 PM

He will supposedly be about 120 feet tall in the movie, and his head is a cement mixer that can suck things up and grind them.

That sounds awesome, dude.

WampusCrandle

02-18-2009, 12:33 PM

i am getting my popcorn with a hole in the bottom ready for this movie

TooLowBrow

02-18-2009, 02:07 PM

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5897/optiaj9.jpg

where does this take place? the highway signs look asian

razorboy

02-18-2009, 02:18 PM

where does this take place? the highway signs look asian

Given that the're driving on the left side on the freeway I would guess Japan or Hong Kong or something.

Furtherman

02-19-2009, 07:34 AM

Given that the're driving on the left side on the freeway I would guess Japan or Hong Kong or something.

There were scenes filmed in Philadelphia and outside Philly - near Allentown I think - as well.

TooLowBrow

02-19-2009, 10:40 AM

There were scenes filmed in Philadelphia and outside Philly - near Allentown I think - as well.

i just read that some of the pa filmed scenes are shot to make it look like shanghai

Furtherman

02-19-2009, 10:45 AM

i just read that some of the pa filmed scenes are shot to make it look like shanghai

Philly passing for China? Well, I guess with CGI, anything is craptastically possible.

razorboy

02-19-2009, 10:55 AM

i just read that some of the pa filmed scenes are shot to make it look like shanghai

Which still doesn't really make sense seeing as they drive on the right side of the road in Shanghai.

Gmann

02-19-2009, 04:17 PM

Didn't they end up making Devastator the tank in the 1st film ?

Dirtbag

02-19-2009, 05:56 PM

Didn't they end up making Devastator the tank in the 1st film ?
Yeah. But they fucked up and changed the name for the DVD release.

Slumbag

02-19-2009, 10:19 PM

A subpar plot would have been better, it was even bad for a popcorn film, I look at batman films and ironman to be good popcorn films outside of the effects it was a mess, I still dont know what they were looking for.

YESSS!!!!!!
It really was the worst story ever. Had it been at least ok, I wouldn't hate it as much as I do. But it was SOOO fucking terrible. The awesome robot fighting scenes couldn't even salvage that movie.

KingGeno

02-20-2009, 04:15 AM

YESSS!!!!!!
It really was the worst story ever. Had it been at least ok, I wouldn't hate it as much as I do. But it was SOOO fucking terrible. The awesome robot fighting scenes couldn't even salvage that movie.

And then when the awesome robot were kickin' their asses, the camera was off focusing on that LaBeouf douche crying ""nonononononononononono". I almost ripped my hair out when Optimus and Megatron exchanged the "One shall stand, one shall fall" convo and the camera was on that asshole kid.

razorboy

02-20-2009, 06:20 AM

And then when the awesome robot were kickin' their asses, the camera was off focusing on that LaBeouf douche crying ""nonononononononononono". I almost ripped my hair out when Optimus and Megatron exchanged the "One shall stand, one shall fall" convo and the camera was on that asshole kid.

But... but... but... it has that incredibly skanky chick who dates the douchebag from 90210 and every sixteen year old boy thinks is hot even though she is decidedly too skinny and altogether unattractive. Ugh. The whole thing is fucking hideous.

TripleSkeet

02-20-2009, 08:14 AM

You guys are the geeks Ronnie was talking about yesterday.

KingGeno

04-18-2009, 08:08 AM

cougarjake13

04-18-2009, 02:28 PM

robots look cool

fox looks hot

what else can you expect or want ??

Contra

04-19-2009, 02:05 PM

Nothing else

King Imp

04-19-2009, 02:28 PM

what else can you expect or want??

Megan Fox nude!

cougarjake13

04-19-2009, 02:32 PM

Megan Fox nude!

then the kiddies wont be able to go and movie makes less money

maybe on the directors cut dvd

KingGeno

04-30-2009, 04:50 PM

New Trailer, attached to Wolverine. Watch in HD

Looks crazy, and Megan Fox is jeebus lord almighty:

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Gerald

05-03-2009, 10:42 AM

Hmmm...I dunno if this plot development about Shia Lebouf being a robotic telepath is going to cotton. At least they're taking the story in a different direction, I suppose. It should be fun and noisy and headache-inducing. A typical Bay flick, in other words.

Gerald

05-03-2009, 10:46 AM

I honestly think Megan Fox is a little overrated. She's definitely hot but she also has that surgically enhanced plastic complexion, at such a young age no less, and her poorly placed tattoos are ugly. She just makes me nostalgic for Jennifer Connelly circa Career Opportunities.

drjoek

05-03-2009, 10:52 AM

drjoek

05-03-2009, 10:53 AM

Oh and College cost WAY MORE than 40 Thousand a year
Trust me I know this
:wallbash:

jab

05-03-2009, 11:04 AM

robots look cool

fox looks hot

what else can you expect or want ??

story, fight scenes where you can tell whats going on and who is fighting who, respect for the material/fan base, no robots peeing oil on a superman shirt wearing john tuturro (UGH).

Crossweird

05-03-2009, 11:31 AM

i just read that some of the pa filmed scenes are shot to make it look like shanghai

Which still doesn't really make sense seeing as they drive on the right side of the road in Shanghai.

Hmm. Yes, they do drive on the right in China. Just like at least 70% of the people in Pennsylvania. Not sure why that doesn't make sense....

razorboy

05-03-2009, 11:36 AM

Hmm. Yes, they do drive on the right in China. Just like at least 70% of the people in Pennsylvania. Not sure why that doesn't make sense....

Because in the screenshot they're clearly driving on the left side of the highway.

jab

05-03-2009, 11:37 AM

why would space robots know what side of the road to drive on anyway. man there are some serious holes in this whole transformers thing.

Crossweird

05-03-2009, 11:42 AM

Because in the screenshot they're clearly driving on the left side of the highway.

Oh, yeah. Maybe that one was in Hong Kong.

TonyStark

05-04-2009, 06:21 AM

Oh and College cost WAY MORE than 40 Thousand a year
Trust me I know this
:wallbash:

and who buys webcams for their long distance girlfriend? I'm sure there will be at least 5 jokes along that plot line courtesy of Mikey Bay

TripleSkeet

05-04-2009, 08:46 AM

A subpar plot would have been better, it was even bad for a popcorn film, I look at batman films and ironman to be good popcorn films outside of the effects it was a mess, I still dont know what they were looking for.

You are comparing 2 popcorn movies based on roughly 60 years of comic book and graphic novel stories and a popcorn movie based on an 80's toy and cartoon. Its a ridiculous comparison.

Im pretty sure these same stupid arguments are going to pop up after GI Joe comes out.

Snoogans

05-04-2009, 08:52 AM

Yeah I saw that, never knew that till I looked on boxofficemojo, I cant believe it. That movie made the sequels for back to the future look like excellent films and I was a big fan of the transformers when I was a kid but the movie was just complete shit.

Amazing, the public does love shit, we cant say america since over seas made more money.

well maybe you should actually start READING SHIT BEFORE YOU RUN YOUR MOUTH KNOWING NOTHING. LIKE YOU ALWAYS FUCKIN DO

TheMojoPin

05-18-2009, 08:14 AM

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA AAH!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3_EXxwDpq0)

2:13 might be the greatest music video moment ever.

For those not aware, this is a remake of this:

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AKA the soundtrack to Hottub's life.

razorboy

05-18-2009, 08:19 AM

I didn't even know Stan Bush was still alive.

TheMojoPin

05-18-2009, 08:21 AM

biggirl

05-18-2009, 08:21 AM

cougarjake13

05-18-2009, 01:46 PM

hammersavage

06-23-2009, 04:38 PM

Here's some of Ebert's review:

“Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen” is a horrible experience of unbearable length, briefly punctuated by three or four amusing moments. One of these involves a dog-like robot humping the leg of the heroine. Such are the meager joys. If you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together. Then close your eyes and use your imagination.
I find it amusing that creatures that can unfold out of a Camaro and stand four stories high do most of their fighting with…fists. Like I say, dumber than a box of staples. They have tiny little heads, except for Starscream, who is so ancient he has an aluminum beard.

Dirtbag

06-23-2009, 05:08 PM

Ebert sucks. Jetfire has the beard. Starscream is who they inexplicably made look like some sort of winged, mechanical gorilla.

lleeder

06-23-2009, 05:11 PM

Keep your chin up Ebert, there will be other movies out there to see instead of transformers.

razorboy

06-23-2009, 05:15 PM

Keep your chin up Ebert.

http://www.smileyhut.com/music/rimshot.gif (http://www.smileyhut.com)

TheMojoPin

06-23-2009, 05:17 PM

Ebert sucks. Jetfire has the beard. Starscream is who they inexplicably made look like some sort of winged, mechanical gorilla.

Like it makes a difference which one is which.

razorboy

06-23-2009, 05:19 PM

winged, mechanical gorilla.

Sounds awesome.

Dirtbag

06-23-2009, 05:33 PM

Like it makes a difference which one is which.
It doesn't to Michael Bay.

AKA

06-24-2009, 05:43 AM

Christ Gore (Film Threat and G4's "Attack of the Show") was not impressed (http://www.chinashopmag.com/2009/06/transformers-2-bay-curious-review/)

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Then there are the two Autobots (Mudflap and Skids) that split and transform from an ice cream truck who “talk jive.” No, I’m not kidding. They talk jive. And the faces seem… well, like very cliché racial stereotypes complete with gold tooth and baggy pants. I’m not ultra-politically correct, but this just seems so wrong and out of place. So imagine if you will, a movie with not one Jar Jar Binks along for the ride, but two! Yeah. To add to the disappointment, there’s plenty of lame and out-of-place sexual humor which is topped off at the dramatic climax when we see Devastator’s… balls. Yes, his balls! I am not joking. Two Giant Dangling Balls! (Are these also on the action figure for accuracy?) And if you miss the balls, John Turturro’s character mentions, “Hey, there’s his balls!”

Death Metal Moe

06-24-2009, 06:43 AM

I watched the 1st Transformers my way: A burned copy that I fast forwarded through all the horrible bullshit back story with the human characters. So I basically watched about 30 minutes of Transformers fighting.

This one sounds so bad I might not even burn it and watch it in that fashion. Blech.

KingGeno

06-24-2009, 06:51 AM

It was actually pretty good. My only complaints was the lack of autobot conversations and a some odd editting issues.

Other than that it was excellent. TONS of decepticon dialog, specially fleshing out Megatron and Starscream's relationship, Devastator was awesome, and the movie basically shows Optimus is a bad ass mother. Totally awesome everything he is in.

TjM

06-24-2009, 06:58 AM

Just read the summary on themoviespoiler.com. I will definatly check it out on DVD. It sounded like a fun flick

Justice4all

06-24-2009, 08:16 AM

I had a Transformers dream last night. I was riding in Bumblebee with a faceless man and he transformed and fought another transformer without me even knowing it happened. It was crazy shit. I woke up wondering if it was real.....:unsure:

Jesus I gave this one a quick read before doing a double take and thought you said "i was riding bumblebees face".

I hear hit and miss about this movie. gonna see it at the drive in.

TheMojoPin

06-24-2009, 07:15 PM

Sounds about right: (http://www.pajiba.com/film_reviews/transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-review.php)

I realize I’m stating the obvious here, but it bears elucidation in light of this review because it’s the single biggest driving force behind Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. Michael Bay has a profoundly tiny dick. The man has a diminutive dangler — what’s known in medical circles as a micro-penis (less than 2.75 inches erect). And rather than seek psychotherapy for his small penis humilation, Mr. Bay deals with his itty-bitty anxieties by hiding behind his work. It’s classic overcompensation; all the symptoms are manifested in his person — long hair, leather jackets, sports cars — but none more evident than his pursuit of aggrandizement in Revenge of the Fallen. His desire to embiggen Transformers II over its predecessor — to make bigger in power, to enlarge our conceptions — is clearly an attempt to conceal his sexual inadequacy.

In addition to Fallen, there are a few other new Transformers, including a sand-sucking monstrosity that bites the tip off an ancient Egyptian pyramid (ouch); a senior citizen fighter-plane Decipticon who switches allegiances; a few mini-Transformers; and Mudflap and Skids, the Jar Jar African-American racial caricatures (gold tooth, hip-hop lovin’, bad slang, can’t read) of Transformers, who really are offensive, though it’s not too surprising: Racists have notoriously small dicks.

Lookit: Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is Bush League, and I mean that in a purely political sense. It’s chest-thumping, racially-insensitive, sexually provocative redmeat bullshit designed to get needle dicks hard. And that’s fine, if you’re a hormone-addled pubescent Beavis who gets his rocks off on blowing up frogs. But you know that, and you don’t need a review to tell you that Revenge of the Fallen is an epic shit storm so bad you’ll wish you were watching Wolverine. And for a lot of you, that knowledge isn’t going to prevent you from seeing Transformers II, and I won’t begrudge you that. Your morbid curiosity may get the best of you. The confluence of your skepticism of critics, your overwhelming childhood nostalgia, or your desire to see just how awful it is may compel you into the theater. That’s cool — that’s what a manipulative, $100 million marketing campaign will do. But you’ll probably walk out of the theater fuming, itching to murder the one guy in the theater who attempted to start an ovation every time Optimus Prime appeared onscreen (he was met with a round of blank what-the-fuck stares by a sold-out crowd).

CofyCrakCocaine

06-24-2009, 07:16 PM

Sounds about right: (http://www.pajiba.com/film_reviews/transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-review.php)

That's like asking someone to read one of my posts. Too much.

WampusCrandle

06-24-2009, 07:27 PM

whatever - im still going to see the movie.

Gerald

06-24-2009, 09:40 PM

The effects are great but the story is indescribably disastrous.

It really wore out its welcome with me after about 90 minutes and then I had an intermittent desire to hang myself during the hourlong remainder.

The film also reinforces how overrated Megan Fox is by failing to present her dead-eyed porn star countenance in a flattering light.

fezident

06-25-2009, 04:11 AM

The effects are great but the story is indescribably disastrous.

Am I in the TERMINATOR SALVATION thread?

KingGeno

06-25-2009, 04:38 AM

I will agree that the plot is kinda eh and it was about 30-45mins too long. But I didn't going in expecting a Road to perdition or band of brothers par plot. The battles and effects are amazing though.

TheMojoPin

06-29-2009, 12:14 PM

Sounds about right: (http://videogum.com/archives/the-videogum-movie-club/the-videogum-movie-club-transf_076532.html#more)

First of all, huh? Admittedly, I'm not very smart, but I feel like I'm usually capable of following the plot of movies made for a 10-year-old audience, which is what a movie based on Hasbro toys is, right? This is for children? Well maybe they can explain to me what that movie was even the fuck about. The Auto-bots are now working for the United States government* to help defend humankind from the Decepticons, who are hiding in China? And all of the knowledge of the robot races is now in Shia LaBeouf's mind, because he touched a piece of a thing, and his mind includes a map to the key to a machine to destroy the sun? Because one time the robots tried to destroy the sun but then they got in a fight because even though all of them helped build the machine to destroy the sun, a few of them realized that maybe destroying the sun was TOO MEAN. So they decided to hide behind a painting. Also, Shia LaBeouf's dad knows that he is a man now? Also, the key is that Dumbo doesn't need his magic feather? The machine is in a pyramid? The United States has a secret rail gun that is Top Secret but was built to shoot robots off of pyramids? I don't know! I'm doing my best here but they keep changing the rules!

Like, now it turns out that being an Auto-bot or being a Decepticon is a choice? And I thought that they destroyed the All-Spark in the last movie, but it turns out you can't destroy the All-Spark. That is convenient. Why am I still saying All-Spark? I am an adult! Speaking of adults and having to write the word All-Spark as if that's a thing, how about the Matrix of Leadership. WHAT? That was probably the part of the movie that made me the most angry. Do not expect me to sit here and believe that there is a thing called the Matrix of Leadership that will turn on a machine to destroy the sun. Do not do that. Because I refuse! Matrix of Leadership. FUCK YOU. I PAY TAXES. That made me even madder than the centuries old Auto-bot who somehow managed to disguise himself as an ANCIENT B2 BOMBER. What? Careful, he farts parachutes.

And yet people were enjoying this movie! During some of the climactic battle scenes they were cheering. CHEERING! The little boy to my left who was there with his mom was going nuts when Optimus Prime would beat one of the other robots--as if I'm supposed to keep track of who these robots are? Please--and that was totally fine. He was 10. But most of the people joining in his enthusiasm were adults. The audience deflated when Optimus Prime died because they were apparently really invested emotionally in the well being of a CGI robot made out of a truck who talked like an automated customer service operator, but they were practically on their feet when he came back to life, as if there was ever any tension in that dull dramatic arc straight line. Shia LaBeouf was like "it's going to work," and Megan Fox was like, "but what if it doesn't work" and Shia LaBeouf was like "it's going to work." And guess what, it worked. People went crazy when Optimus Prime pulled the spines out of other robots, and punched through their chests, crushing their robo-hearts in his robo-fists. Sure. Except if we are really to believe that these are all sentient beings, then Optimus Prime is basically a sociopath.

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TooLowBrow

06-29-2009, 12:54 PM

why do they fight by punching each other?

does punching hurt robots?

jab

06-29-2009, 01:01 PM

why do they fight by punching each other?

does punching hurt robots?

its like two cars smashing together; one is hoping the other one's important bits will shake loose. thats how robots do it on cybertron. they are fucking hardcore. its like two people fighting with armor on. right? right/?

TheMojoPin

06-29-2009, 01:06 PM

Give then Bay seems obsessed with these robots peeing and farting and having giant balls I can only assume that third movie is going to be wall to wall robot-fucking.

TooLowBrow

06-29-2009, 01:11 PM

why do they speak english?

to each other

when humans arent even around!

jab

06-29-2009, 01:17 PM

why do they speak english?

to each other

when humans arent even around!

they are robots, so it was easy for them to just install the proper grammar files. of course they speak it amongst themselves because the conservates would riot if they were seen speaking any language other than english in america.

also, michael bay is shit. shit that is still somehow better than roland emmerich tho. dont ask me how.

cougarjake13

06-29-2009, 05:31 PM

why do they speak english?

to each other

when humans arent even around!

same reason the aliens did on star trek, star wars , bsg, or any other space themed show or movie

fezident

06-29-2009, 08:57 PM

Yet another movie that I had to get up and walk out of.

Flaming turd. Unwatchable.

Why do I even bother?

TripleSkeet

06-29-2009, 09:01 PM

Chigworthy

06-29-2009, 09:13 PM

same reason the aliens did on star trek, star wars , bsg, or any other space themed show or movie

Also the same reason why historic Romans in movies speak english with an English accent to let you know they are european.

TooLowBrow

06-29-2009, 09:23 PM

Also the same reason why historic Romans in movies speak english with an English accent to let you know they are european.

but the transformers never say anything of value.

maybe optimus does, but hes the leader so he should be able to converse

and bumblebee has to communicate with the kid

but the others just crack jokes and, when fighting, say things like 'taste fist!' and 'i'll destroy you!'

theres no need for that, itd be cooler if they just fought and did shit

TheMojoPin

06-29-2009, 09:28 PM

Then again, maybe its just me, but I didnt go to see a movie based on toys that turn from vehicles to robots and decide to pick apart every scene for not being reality based. I also wasnt expecting it to rival The Godfather for plot and dialogue.

It's not like critcisms of a shitpile like this stem from expectations of it being a great or even good film, or that it needs to be "nitpicked" to point out the glaring horribleness of it.

Hell, it even totally fails on the nostalgia level. I loved Transformers as a kid, and this basically has zero resemblence to all that.

TripleSkeet

06-29-2009, 09:34 PM

It's not like critcisms of a shitpile like this stem from expectations of it being a great or even good film, or that it needs to be "nitpicked" to point out the glaring horribleness of it.

Hell, it even totally fails on the nostalgia level. I loved Transformers as a kid, and this basically has zero resemblence to all that.

Maybe thats why I liked it. I always thought the cartoons sucked.

TheMojoPin

06-29-2009, 09:39 PM

Maybe thats why I liked it. I always thought the cartoons sucked.

As a kid? Man, you were picky.

TripleSkeet

06-29-2009, 09:41 PM

As a kid? Man, you were picky.

Yea, not sure why I just never really liked them. GI Joe too.

Contra

06-29-2009, 10:04 PM

Yea, not sure why I just never really liked them. GI Joe too.

How about the GoBots?

TooLowBrow

06-29-2009, 10:09 PM

How about the GoBots?

how about go-gurt?

http://socialhoneycomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/gogurt.jpg

TripleSkeet

06-29-2009, 10:36 PM

How about the GoBots?

I hated them even more. I did like M.A.S.K.

cougarjake13

06-30-2009, 06:48 PM

Yet another movie that I had to get up and walk out of.

Flaming turd. Unwatchable.

Why do I even bother?

i cant remember ever walking out on a movie

even if it sucked

fezident

06-30-2009, 06:56 PM

i cant remember ever walking out on a movie

even if it sucked

I walk out quite often, actually.
If I'm an hour or so into it... and I still don't feel connected to the story or the characters... I cut bait.

fezident

06-30-2009, 07:05 PM

I liked it. Then again I saw exactly what I was expecting which was a popcorn movie that had a ton of action and a shitload of special effects. I also had no problem following the movie.

Then again, maybe its just me, but I didnt go to see a movie based on toys that turn from vehicles to robots and decide to pick apart every scene for not being reality based. I also wasnt expecting it to rival The Godfather for plot and dialogue.

But it entertained me for 2 hours so I was happy.

To each his own.
For me... it didn't succeed on any level. The parts that were supposed to be humorous just weren't funny to me. (when Sam's mom was hopped up on goofballs, for example)

The chases had no tension. There was no geography.

The battle scenes felt "harmless". Like the robots could just keep on beating on each other endlessly.

And, as nitpicky as it may seem, it simply doesn't make sense that the shard would turn every appliance in Sam's kitchen into, basically, gremlins. As soon as they come to life... they start trashing the place? And why were they fuckin' breathing and panting? They're fuckin' robots! And why do they have cartoony personalities and accents? The remote control Bigfoot toy talks like a mobster from the 1920ies???! Really?!

brettmojo

06-30-2009, 07:21 PM

TooLowBrow

06-30-2009, 07:26 PM

It's a movie about toys for children and geeks who collect toys.

but its marketed towards everyone.

for instance megan fox is for males 18-25 who are neither children nor grew up with the show

if they wanted to make a kids movie, then they should make it 100% for kids

...did anyone with a kid cringe during transformers 1 when shia's mom starts asking if he was masturbating?

fezident

06-30-2009, 07:29 PM

It's a movie about toys for children and geeks who collect toys. I don't understand why it's being held to a academy award winning standard by some people.

Where's the tearing apart of the movie UP then?

OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!! THEY ACTUALLY EXPECT US TO BELIEVE THAT THE GUY TIED A BUNCH OF BALLOONS TO HIS HOUSE AND IT TOOK OFF INTO THE AIR!!!! -95RQ=9=)*$)$)@+ THAT'S FUCKING RETARDED AND UNREALISTIC. HE WAS AN OLD MAN, HOW COULD HE DO THAT!?!?! AM I SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE SOMEONE CREATED A COLLAR THAT COULD TRANSLATE A DOG'S THOUGHTS INTO ENGLISH? AND WHY WAS IT ENGLISH? o!o!oo!

Totally different.
But if you're implying that "makes sense" = "academy award standards" = "movie snob" then, fine. I'm a snob.

As I said in my earlier post... the movie FAILS at being good on WHATEVER level it's trying to succeed at. I don't care about the fantastical part of it all. I realize that it's science FICTION. But... when watching a chase scene... one should be able to discern where one car is in relation to the other. That's just simple movie making logic. Michael Bay, seemingly, never got that memo.

The mom turning into a FUCKING CRAZYASS BASKETCASE by merely nibbling on a pot brownie was not funny. All 6 minutes of it was simply insulting. It wasn't funny. And... it belonged in a different movie.

But go ahead and write your letters, Andy, if it makes ya happy. Hell... I'll even mail 'em for you.

brettmojo

06-30-2009, 07:48 PM

but its marketed towards everyone.
Pretty much every movie made now is marketed towards every demographic they can hit. That's how they can for lack of a better term trick people who wouldn't normally see a certain movie into going. They throw adult humor into Dreamworks movies, they create love interests and vagina tugging shit like in Pearl Harbor, Titanic, Cloverfield, Star Trek etc... It's still a movie about giant robots no matter what flavor-of-the-month broad is in it. A studio isn't going to go 100% in one direction anymore because it's too big of a risk if the movie doesn't hit with one group of people.

TooLowBrow

06-30-2009, 07:55 PM

Pretty much every movie made now is marketed towards every demographic they can hit. That's how they can for lack of a better term trick people who wouldn't normally see a certain movie into going. They throw adult humor into Dreamworks movies, they create love interests and vagina tugging shit like in Pearl Harbor, Titanic, Cloverfield, Star Trek etc... It's still a movie about giant robots no matter what flavor-of-the-month broad is in it. A studio isn't going to go 100% in one direction anymore because it's too big of a risk if the movie doesn't hit with one group of people.

thats ridiculous

pixar, for instance, has only made movies for kids, or adults with kids.

i think one of the problems with transformers is that they spread out the audience too much, the movie mightve worked if they said, lets gear it towards kids, or, lets make a cool pg-13 action movie. trying to mix the two is like watching a dumb action pic combined with an inappropriate kids movie

brettmojo

06-30-2009, 08:01 PM

thats ridiculous

pixar, for instance, has only made movies for kids, or adults with kids.

i think one of the problems with transformers is that they spread out the audience too much, the movie mightve worked if they said, lets gear it towards kids, or, lets make a cool pg-13 action movie. trying to mix the two is like watching a dumb action pic combined with an inappropriate kids movie
Yeah I said Dreamworks but I meant pixar.

Fox did it with Day After Tomorrow. It was a disaster flick but they threw in the crap about the guy saving his son, the son being in love with Emmy Rossum, the sick kid in the hospital... Studios just won't dump a lot of money into their blockbusters anymore without putting out these "safety nets".

TripleSkeet

06-30-2009, 08:07 PM

thats ridiculous

pixar, for instance, has only made movies for kids, or adults with kids.

I couldnt disagree with this more. I was an adult without kids and I went to, and enjoyed Toy Story, Finding Nemo, Monsters Inc. and The Incredibles.

When I walk into Tranformers I take all my "realistic integrity" and leave it in my car. If Im watching a movie about an alien that turns into a robot and a truck....Im not going to freak out if a car is closer then it should be in relation to the last scene. But thats just me.

Oh and as far as talking funny or breathing heavy...lets see...they learned english from the internet (as told in part 1) it would make sense that they would mimick different voices they heard while learning. They may be robots here but they are aliens. They feel pain, and emotions, it would make sense they would get tired too.

TooLowBrow

06-30-2009, 08:11 PM

I couldnt disagree with this more. I was an adult without kids and I went to, and enjoyed Toy Story, Finding Nemo, Monsters Inc. and The Incredibles.

did you see cars, toy story 2, up?

TripleSkeet

06-30-2009, 08:14 PM

did you see cars, toy story 2, up?

Not Cars because it just didnt look interesting to me. But I hate car racing in general and felt it may be for the NASCAR crowd.

I saw Toy Story 2 and Bugs Life on dvd and liked both. Didnt go see UP because my kids are too little to take to the movies yet.

Dirtbag

06-30-2009, 08:40 PM

Yeah I said Dreamworks but I meant pixar.

You'd have been right if you left it alone. Dreamworks is the one who completely over-relies on toilet humor and other nonsense you have to be six to enjoy

I don't know how the average child would have even made it through the first 20 minutes of Wall-E.

TooLowBrow

06-30-2009, 08:46 PM

Not Cars because it just didnt look interesting to me. But I hate car racing in general and felt it may be for the NASCAR crowd.

I saw Toy Story 2 and Bugs Life on dvd and liked both. Didnt go see UP because my kids are too little to take to the movies yet.

so you saw some movies, but do you think that they were targeted towards you? i like them but i know im not the target audience

TripleSkeet

07-01-2009, 09:12 AM

so you saw some movies, but do you think that they were targeted towards you? i like them but i know im not the target audience

I dont know if I was the target, but I dont think its targeted JUST for kids. I wouldnt have gone to see them if I didnt think it was something Id enjoy.

TheMojoPin

07-01-2009, 09:37 AM

The Pixar movies clearly are not meant just for kids. Granted, they're obviously targeting kids as the primary audience, but the acclaim for those films stems from how they're good, enjoyable and cleverly written films that both kids and adults can enjoy on different levels.

They're basically everything that the Transformers, in any version, are not.

TooLowBrow

07-01-2009, 11:28 AM

I dont know if I was the target, but I dont think its targeted JUST for kids.

what part of toy story wasnt marketed for kids?

mikeyboy

07-01-2009, 11:31 AM

what part of toy story wasnt marketed for kids?

At the time? The technology of the animation.

TooLowBrow

07-01-2009, 11:35 AM

At the time? The technology of the animation.

seriously? you think they were just gonna make a cartoon but decided to use computers to get more adults to watch?

while the animation DID draw adults, i dont think that was the original intent. i think they just used computers to put out a better looking cartoon

TripleSkeet

07-01-2009, 11:40 AM

seriously? you think they were just gonna make a cartoon but decided to use computers to get more adults to watch?

while the animation DID draw adults, i dont think that was the original intent. i think they just used computers to put out a better looking cartoon

Can we stop acting like this is 1960 and that cartoons are just marketed for kids? Please? Im not saying it wasnt marketed for kids, but it wasnt marketed JUST for kids. The previews showed parts of the movie that adults would and did laugh at. It looked like a good movie, not just a good kids movie. Same with Finding Nemo. Same with Monsters Inc.

Im not saying they werent made to attract kids but it was clear from the start these movies were something adults could enjoy just as much.

TooLowBrow

07-01-2009, 11:44 AM

Can we stop acting like this is 1960 and that cartoons are just marketed for kids? Please? Im not saying it wasnt marketed for kids, but it wasnt marketed JUST for kids. The previews showed parts of the movie that adults would and did laugh at. It looked like a good movie, not just a good kids movie. Same with Finding Nemo. Same with Monsters Inc.

Im not saying they werent made to attract kids but it was clear from the start these movies were something adults could enjoy just as much.

cartoons are less geared towards adults than ever before. maybe you have a childlike mentality and you see pixar as a grown up cartoon but its not

http://www.amazingco.com/amazingco.com/comics/misc/items/m92.jpg

now THAT is geared towards adults!

TripleSkeet

07-01-2009, 11:52 AM

Sigh. Youre not reading. When I think of an adult geared cartoon, I think Family Guy, South Park, American Dad...stuff like that. And yes I know the original Looney Tunes were geared for adults. I realized that when I saw Bugs Bunny throw up a stag film on his film projector.

But in that same vein, cartoons that are made for kids are shit like Caillou, Fairly Oddparents, Dora The Explorer and Clifford the Big Red Dog.

I see Pixar movies falling in that in between place where the cartoon is there to entertain the adults as well as the kids. Kind of like Spongebob or The Simpsons.

TripleSkeet

07-01-2009, 12:06 PM

cartoons are less geared towards adults than ever before.

Really????

Family Guy
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9237/59914988.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/i/59914988.jpg/)

South Park
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4286/23652575.jpg (http://img181.imageshack.us/i/23652575.jpg/)

The Simpsons
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1310/27506512.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/i/27506512.jpg/)

mikeyboy

07-01-2009, 12:11 PM

seriously? you think they were just gonna make a cartoon but decided to use computers to get more adults to watch?

No. Where did you get that, because that has nothing to do with the discussion. Any time you have a movie that uses technology to create something that has never been seen before (the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, the early CGI effect in The Mask, bullet time in The Matrix), that will be part of the marketing to adults, and that was part of the marketing of the first Toy Story.

TooLowBrow

07-01-2009, 12:21 PM

No. Where did you get that, because that has nothing to do with the discussion. Any time you have a movie that uses technology to create something that has never been seen before (the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, the early CGI effect in The Mask, bullet time in The Matrix), that will be part of the marketing to adults, and that was part of the marketing of the first Toy Story.

ok. makes sense.

so what is the adult marketing for the other pixar movies?

i really think we go to these movie to entertain our childish sides, not that we like these movies because they are so adult

TheMojoPin

07-01-2009, 12:29 PM

ok. makes sense.

so what is the adult marketing for the other pixar movies?

i really think we go to these movie to entertain our childish sides, not that we like these movies because they are so adult

The marketing for Pixar at this point is "this is a Pixar film, you know our track record, you know kids AND adults will love this, come watch it."

There's clearly a difference between movies and shows made with only kids in mind and kids' entertainment made with the idea of also entertaining adults.

Furtherman

07-01-2009, 12:34 PM

so what is the adult marketing for the other pixar movies?

The same marketing tagline for any kids movie: "Fun for the whole family!"

brettmojo

07-01-2009, 03:54 PM

cartoons are less geared towards adults than ever before.
Craziness.

TooLowBrow

07-01-2009, 03:57 PM

Craziness.

99% of cartoons coming out now are g rated crap that you would never sit down to watch but kids love

TripleSkeet

07-01-2009, 04:32 PM

99% of cartoons coming out now are g rated crap that you would never sit down to watch but kids love

Did you not see the examples I put up? If I knew how to make NSFW quotes youd even see the Drawn Together pick Mojo erased.

brettmojo

07-01-2009, 04:35 PM

99% of cartoons coming out now are g rated crap that you would never sit down to watch but kids love
Cartoon Network is mainly for adults, they have adult themed games on their website. I don't think they want kids playing games called KILL YOURSELF.

TheMojoPin

07-01-2009, 04:39 PM

How are cartoons "more for kids now than ever before?"

Did the last 60 years suddenly not exist?

TooLowBrow

07-01-2009, 04:45 PM

Cartoon Network is mainly for adults, they have adult themed games on their website. I don't think they want kids playing games called KILL YOURSELF.

at night, yeah

go watch cartoon network at 2 in the afternoon

watch The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack and tell me its also geared towards adults

some cartoons are marketed to adults, some are for kids and adults

but the majority of cartoons are for kids with zero thought of entertaining adults

TooLowBrow

07-01-2009, 04:47 PM

How are cartoons "more for kids now than ever before?"

Did the last 60 years suddenly not exist?

cause when you were growing up, at 6 years old, did you have multiple tv channels dedicated to broadcasting mindless dumb cartoons (that kids love) 24/7?

TheMojoPin

07-01-2009, 05:03 PM

cause when you were growing up, at 6 years old, did you have multiple tv channels dedicated to broadcasting mindless dumb cartoons (that kids love) 24/7?

True, but there were also next to no "cartoons for adults" in the 50's through the 80's, hence why your declaration was wrong. You now have cartoons for older audiences on every day and numerous times each day.

TooLowBrow

07-01-2009, 05:05 PM

True, but there were also next to no "cartoons for adults" in the 50's through the 80's, hence why your declaration was wrong. You now have cartoons for older audiences on every day and numerous times each day.

sometimes i exaggerate

and sometimes i just make stuff up

TheMojoPin

07-02-2009, 10:46 AM

Michael Bay is so dumb: (http://www.wwtdd.com/2009/07/go-kill-yourself-michael-bay/)

Megan Fox said recently that this type of movie was more about special effects than acting. This is going to be hard to believe, but the director of these movies is offended by that. Megan said:

“I mean, I can’t s— on this movie because it did give me a career and open all these doors for me. But I don’t want to blow smoke up people’s a–. People are well aware that this is not a movie about acting.”

And Michael Bay replied:

“She says some very ridiculous things because she’s 23 years old and she still has a lot of growing to do. You roll your eyes when you see statements like that and think, ‘Okay Megan, you can do whatever you want. I got it.’”
Bay says he “100 percent disagrees” with Fox.
“Nick Cage wasn’t a big actor when I cast him, nor was Ben Affleck … Shia LaBeouf wasn’t a big movie star before he did Transformers — and then he exploded. Not to mention Will Smith and Martin Lawrence, from Bad Boys,” he points out.
“Nobody in the world knew about Megan Fox until I found her and put her in Transformers,” he says.

Bay gives 6 examples of his star making wizardry and every single one of them is wrong. 2 of his unknowns had already won Academy Awards, 3 were the lead in their own TV shows, and Megan Fox was in “Bad Boys 2″, so apparently Bay is so good he can discover people twice.

fezident

07-02-2009, 10:58 AM

Bay is a bag of douche.

I read that interview with Megan Fox and that quote was taken out of context.
She said herself that she has a lot of learning to do... and that she doesn't think she's the next Meryl Streep. She merely mentioned that, with a movie like this, especially with a lot of explosions, green screens and chase sequences, that "it's more about REacting". (not a direct quote.... I paraphrased her slightly)

She came across as rather smart in that interview. Like she knew her place. She stated that she's the T&A in a fantasy movie targeted at boys and men. And that it's the libido and imagination of the TRANSFORMER'S demographic that makes it so successful. She has no alusions (sp?) that she's playing in the same f'ing arena as Dame Judi Dench.