more trouble in paradise - judd gregg + census

[Dude!]

well Judd Gregg withdrew as nominee
for commerce secretary

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18794.html


my confidential sources tell me it was because
they emasculated him by pulling the census into the white house

and that gregg knew it was because they wanted to manipulate the census
and he wanted no part of that

i voted for hope
but i'm not feelin it

[jauble]

i voted for hope
but i'm not feelin it

We've hit politics as usual.

[HBox]

i voted for hope
but i'm not feelin it

No you didn't.

[Ritalin]

well Judd Gregg withdrew as nominee
for commerce secretary

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18794.html


my confidential sources tell me it was because
they emasculated him by pulling the census into the white house

and that gregg knew it was because they wanted to manipulate the census
and he wanted no part of that

i voted for hope
but i'm not feelin it

There was nothing unusual being done with the census. He was just catching a ton of shit from Republics and had to drop out.

[Knowledged_one]

Actually there were major issues with the census

[Serpico1103]

I think Obama threatened his family.
That is change I can believe in.

[SP1!]

We've hit politics as usual.

I called it before he ever won but was yelled at

[TheMojoPin]

He's not taking the office because his seat would be filled by a Democrat. It's party politics and doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

[HBox]

He's not taking the office because his seat would be filled by a Democrat. It's party politics and doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

Nope. The White House agreed not to pressure NH gov. John Lynch to appoint a Democrat and Lynch had already agreed to appoint Gregg's old chief of staff to the seat.

[TheMojoPin]

Nope. The White House agreed not to pressure NH gov. John Lynch to appoint a Democrat and Lynch had already agreed to appoint Gregg's old chief of staff to the seat.

Well, then he's just a douchebag. That was the only benefit I saw to naming him outside of reaching across party lines. Move on to the next candidate...it's not like Gregg was the only person who could handle the job.

[keithy_19]

Well, then he's just a douchebag. That was the only benefit I saw to naming him outside of reaching across party lines. Move on to the next candidate...it's not like Gregg was the only person who could handle the job.

Or he came to his senses and realized he doesn't agree with Obama. Granted, he could/should have noticed that earlier.

[TheMojoPin]

Or he came to his senses and realized he doesn't agree with Obama. Granted, he could/should have noticed that earlier.

Then he's an idiot. If he had to "come to his senses" over something like that, his "senses" are seriously faulty. The reason he was offered the job was BECAUSE he would ideally offer a differing viewpoint.

[Serpico1103]

Actually there were major issues with the census

Major?
They sound more like minor insignificant details. But, an acceptable excuse to withdraw.

[Dude!]

Or he came to his senses and realized he doesn't agree with Obama. Granted, he could/should have noticed that earlier.

the announcement that they were going to take the census away from commerce
and put it in the white house
came AFTER judd had accepted the job

they pulled the rug out from under him

[TheMojoPin]

Why does this nerd have such a boner over the census?

[HBox]

Why does this nerd have such a boner over the census?

Because Republicans are afraid the Democrats will interfere and over-represent the darkies and wetbacks.

[Knowledged_one]

Because it determines districting

[TheMojoPin]

"They love him in every demographic - colored people, broads, fairies, commies. Gosh, we gotta update these forms."

[TheMojoPin]

Because it determines districting

Ah, so they fear revenge over Texas.

[Knowledged_one]

Pink eye has made you surly

[Dude!]

Because Republicans are afraid the Democrats will interfere and over-represent the darkies and wetbacks.

no, because people want an honest COUNT
and not to have control of the census within the white house
where the suspicion is that it will be manipulated

i wouldn't want it in the white house if bush was president or clinton or anyone else
it does not pass the 'smell test'

and i did vote for obama, loser,
because things were horrible under bush
unfortunately, they are only getting worse

i am very unhappy with the first month of obama
yes it is only a month, but i did not expect
this level of ineptitude

[TheMojoPin]

no, because people want an honest COUNT
and not to have control of the census within the white house
where the suspicion is that it will be manipulated

i wouldn't want it in the white house if bush was president or clinton or anyone else
it does not pass the 'smell test'

and i did vote for obama, loser,
because things were horrible under bush
unfortunately, they are only getting worse

i am very unhappy with the first month of obama
yes it is only a month, but i did not expect
this level of ineptitude

Why would the census be at any less of a risk under commerce? The White House could just put someone they know they could count on to handle it if they were that nefarious.

And how are things "getting worse" thanks to the new administration? They haven't done anything yet. The only major thing they've tried to do is the stimulus package and that hasn't even gone into effect. You say things were horribe due to the last 8 years, yet 3 weeks is just too damn long for any of us to see what the hell happens? Good Lord, man.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

It took about two and a half years for me to realize that George Bush sucked. y'see, country was doing pretty damn fine when he became president, and it took him a couple years to really shit it up to the point where I noticed the stink. A cleaning crew would probably smell like shit for a little while, even if they were doing a good job.

[HBox]

no, because people want an honest COUNT
and not to have control of the census within the white house
where the suspicion is that it will be manipulated

i wouldn't want it in the white house if bush was president or clinton or anyone else
it does not pass the 'smell test'

and i did vote for obama, loser,
because things were horrible under bush
unfortunately, they are only getting worse

i am very unhappy with the first month of obama
yes it is only a month, but i did not expect
this level of ineptitude

You do realize I have a memory. And even if I didn't this site has a perfect memory. There was stuff like this:

how do you fight it...you just lie

like you promise to take federal funding to run your campaign
and then break that pledge

and tell the public that 90% of people will get a tax cut
when only 40% actually pay taxes

all politicians lie and and run dirty campaigns and generally suck
why does everyone pretend obama is any different

ill take the rezko real estate windfall any day
obama made out real nice on that
he is just like the rest

And there was also you pointing out poll after poll that showed Obama or Democrats behind.

Anyway, wanting a fair and accurate count and not over-representing minorities are the same thing. In a fair and accurate count you wouldn't over-represent anybody. There has been concern in some communities, especially hispanic communities, that they have been under-represented in previous censuses. Either way, the White House was never going to be in charge of the actual count. Gregg still would have been in charge of the Census. That was never an issue.

[A.J.]

Why does this nerd have such a boner over the census?

He deserves to have his liver eaten with fava beans and a nice chianti.

[west milly Tom]

So when does Obama "reach across the isle and unite"? Its just business as usual.


Obama's slickness > Slick Willie's slickness.

[epo]

Or it may turn out that Judd Gregg has a Jack Abramoff problem and he didn't want to go through that mess.......

[Ritalin]

So when does Obama "reach across the isle and unite"? Its just business as usual.


Obama's slickness > Slick Willie's slickness.

Meh.

When did Clinton ever stand up and say "I made a mistake and we'll fix it", as Obama did in regards to Daschle?

I mean, Obama invited the Republics for a meeting on the stimulus, then the bill - in it's final form - will come in about $80 billion less than it started out. And, this bill is the largest tax cut in the history of this country.

Obama appointed a Republic as Secretary of Transportation and tried to appoint a Republic at Commerce.

What else exactly would you like him to do?

[Tall_James]

I heard that they were going to "Vince Foster" him and he got out as soon as he got wind of it.

[epo]

Former Gregg Staffer Is Linked to Abramoff Scandal (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/02/04/former-gregg-staffer-is-linked-to-abramoff-scandal/)

The Associated Press reported (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gO0qAWSVYIbBFjBZG6WNdHLgkamwD964VQU80) today that Kevin Koonce, a former legislative director for Gregg, was identified as “Staffer F” in recent court documents related to the Abramoff scandal. Koonce allegedly took sporting tickets and other gifts valued at $10,000 in exchange for legislative favors. Koonce left Gregg’s office four years ago, and has not been charged with a crime.

This isn't an Obama problem, this is a Judd Gregg problem.

[foodcourtdruide]

Meh.

When did Clinton ever stand up and say "I made a mistake and we'll fix it", as Obama did in regards to Daschle?

I mean, Obama invited the Republics for a meeting on the stimulus, then the bill - in it's final form - will come in about $80 billion less than it started out. And, this bill is the largest tax cut in the history of this country.

Obama appointed a Republic as Secretary of Transportation and tried to appoint a Republic at Commerce.

What else exactly would you like him to do?

I think the answer to that question is be a republican. The criticism of Obama on this board at times reaches into the inane.

[Tallman388]

He deserves to have his liver eaten with fava beans and a nice chianti.

That's your answer to everything

[Syd]

So when does Obama "reach across the isle and unite"? Its just business as usual.


Obama's slickness > Slick Willie's slickness.

You can't unite people trying to sabotage a country so that they can be re-elected/elected. The Republicans are throwing out nothing but shit and expecting the citizens of the US to buy it up.

[FezsAssistant]

We've hit politics as usual.

politics as usual with a president that is in over his head.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/62082.html

[HBox]

So when does Obama "reach across the isle and unite"? Its just business as usual.


Obama's slickness > Slick Willie's slickness.

Obama met more times with House Republicans than he did with House Democrats while this bill was being written.

[OGC]

Ah, so they fear revenge over Texas.

Do you mean the Kennedy/Dallas incident ?

Boy the dems really do hold a grudge.

[Furtherman]

Why does this nerd have such a boner over the census?

He deserves to have his liver eaten with fava beans and a nice chianti.

I've interrupted this thread so applause this excellent reference by A.J.

:clap:


You may now go back to discussing non-issues.

[epo]

politics as usual with a president that is in over his head.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/62082.html

Thanks for the link to an article about the Heritage Foundation's views of the stimulus plan....which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of Judd Gregg.

[A.J.]

Maybe Obama can get Jud Heathcote instead.

[epo]

I heard that they were going to "Vince Foster" him and he got out as soon as he got wind of it.

He's not just getting out of the Cabinet...it looks like he's getting out of government (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Gregg-withdraws-as-commerce-apf-14347831.html):

The New Hampshire senator also said he would probably not run for a new term in 2010.

So I'm guessing this Abramoff thing is pretty bad and he just wants to get out before he gets slimed for it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Maybe Obama can get Jud Heathcote instead.

How about Judd Winnick? That flaming liberal would do awesome.

Yeah, make more comic book characters gay to push your own agenda.

Ass.

[A.J.]

Yeah, make more comic book characters gay to push your own agenda.

They're not gay enough already?

[epo]

Maybe Obama can get Jud Heathcote instead.

Only if Jud could recruit Magic Johnson again.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I got a bad feeling that It's going to be the Democrats that ruin Obama. They've had eight years to plan for this moment and it seem all they do is crack skulls against each other. Hold on guys you got at least two years of total control. Politics as usual.

[Tenbatsuzen]

They're not gay enough already?

Every time Winnick gets his hands on a book, someone either is gay or has AIDS, or both.

WE GET IT. YOU LIVED WITH PEDRO ZAMORA.

[Knowledged_one]

How about Judd Winnick? That flaming liberal would do awesome.

Yeah, make more comic book characters gay to push your own agenda.

Ass.

give me judd hirsch

[Tenbatsuzen]

give me judd hirsch

My Obama!

[Syd]

I got a bad feeling that It's going to be the Democrats that ruin Obama. They've had eight years to plan for this moment and it seem all they do is crack skulls against each other. Hold on guys you got at least two years of total control. Politics as usual.

Why is it that the Democrats will lose in 2010? Gerrymandering is more difficult now and even if possible, Democrats control much of government now. Every single year that passes represents less Republican constituents and more Democratic constituents. The whole 2 decades of exploiting and blaming minorities that started in the Reagan era wasn't very forward-thinking.

[Dan 'Hampton]

You miss the "at least" part of my post?

[Zorro]

Obama met more times with House Republicans than he did with House Democrats while this bill was being written.

Probably should have spent more time writing than talking.

[high fly]

So when does Obama "reach across the isle and unite"? Its just business as usual.



He reached across the aisle being the first president I can remember in my lifetime who tried to have three members of the other party in his cabinet.

He was reaching across the aisle when he had that dinner with McCain just before the inauguration.

There are other examples if you just look....

[HBox]

Probably should have spent more time writing than talking.

He put in more tax cuts. So much so that this stimulus bill is probably the biggest tax cut in U.S. history. (http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2009/02/is-obamas-tax-cut-the-biggest.html)

[high fly]

He put in more tax cuts. So much so that this stimulus bill is probably the biggest tax cut in U.S. history. (http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2009/02/is-obamas-tax-cut-the-biggest.html)


Which is why conservatives are so pissed off....