2009 New York Mets Discussion

[PD]

If yu haven't read this, you should.

The Ghost of the NY Mets (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jeff_pearlman/06/05/mets/index.html?bcnn=yes)

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another embarrassment tonight.

[cougarjake13]

embarassment indeed

[hammersavage]

That might be one of the worst first innings I've ever seen a pitcher throw.

Livan just needs to be competent.

[PD]

That might be one of the worst first innings I've ever seen a pitcher throw.

Livan just needs to be competent.

Livan is more than that; he is now possibly their 2nd most reliable starter.
the man just pulls those DP grounders whenever he wants.

It's gonna get much tougher (opponents) very soon though.

[hammersavage]

Livan is more than that; he is now possibly their 2nd most reliable starter.
the man just pulls those DP grounders whenever he wants.

It's gonna get much tougher (opponents) very soon though.

And Maine had tightness in his throwing shoulder after last night. Same surgically repaired shoulder. So Pelfrey needs to move past last start and be consistent.

[cougarjake13]

ive pretty much written this year off


anything good happens, great but im not expecting much from them this year anymore

[hammersavage]

Games til the All-Star break- Phillies, Yankees, Orioles, Rays, Cardinals, Yankees, Brewers, Phillies, Dodgers, Reds. With a Pirates make up thrown in there.


Yikes.



32 games. 19 home, 13 away. 17-15 too much to ask?

[hammersavage]

He was an at bat away from the longest streak of his career without a home run. Good timing.

[PD]

great game, very tense.

I hate to say it but Rollins is a damn good ball player; that take out slide in the 9th could have been big. Luckily the Mets have Frankie, who is doing this year what Lidge did last year.

considering Santana was going, they desperately needed to win this one.

I never expectged home run derby

[hammersavage]

That was quite the up and down of emotion tonight. Had to win this one with the pitching matchup. Get one of the next two and win the series. I'll be there tomorrow.

[hammersavage]

One time here. Please

[hammersavage]

This game hurtsssss

[cougarjake13]

Games til the All-Star break- Phillies, Yankees, Orioles, Rays, Cardinals, Yankees, Brewers, Phillies, Dodgers, Reds. With a Pirates make up thrown in there.


Yikes.



32 games. 19 home, 13 away. 17-15 too much to ask?


as easy as i could see 20-12 i can also see 12-20

[hammersavage]

well fuck my ass and call me Suzy, Jason Werth

[MC Pee Pants]

That was a rough one after such a good one. What can you do? Besides not leave 13 runners on base.

[disneyspy]

Gary Sheffield
Draft: 1986 - 1st round (6th pick) by the Milwaukee Brewers


2009 Situational Stats
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Bases Loaded 9 5 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000


congrats,hes clutch

[hammersavage]

Gary Sheffield
Draft: 1986 - 1st round (6th pick) by the Milwaukee Brewers


2009 Situational Stats
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Bases Loaded 9 5 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000


congrats,hes clutch

5 ab's. That's your statistic? If the Mets were paying him $14 million, it'd be a mistake. But that was your dumb team. Dummy

[mothershucker]

Got me some tix to Mets/Yanks at Citi. Two games. Sweet.

[PD]

Gary Sheffield
Draft: 1986 - 1st round (6th pick) by the Milwaukee Brewers


2009 Situational Stats
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Bases Loaded 9 5 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000


congrats,hes clutch

5 ab's. That's your statistic? If the Mets were paying him $14 million, it'd be a mistake. But that was your dumb team. Dummy

what hammer said.

I hate to jinx it , but Redding is pitching well for a #5 guy vs Phils.

[BeerBandit]

MOther FUCKer!:furious:

[KingGeno]

Monster :)

[PD]

ugh.

These teams have been very close this series.

I have to say that while I thought Ibanez was a pretty good player, he has become this years Brad Lidge.

[hammersavage]

Brutal series but oddly fun.

Maine on the DL. I guess Figueroa will be the call up. Just another injury...

[King Hippos Bandaid]

can Dr. Steve prescribe me Uppers and Downers please


the weather is more predictable then which Mets team will show up

[foodcourtdruide]

Honestly, I think it's amazing that this team is not 10 games under .500.

As the team stands now, the line-up has no power and the starting pitching is incredibly thin. They put too many eggs in the Delgado basket and him going down for the season has killed them.

Beltran and Wright are amazing players, but they can't carry the line-up alone, especially considering the rest of the line-up. Look at it day in/day out. It looks ilke a AAA team more often than not. Sheffield has had a good year, but I think it's foolish to expect him to do more, he's already starting to show signs of fatigue.

They had NO answer for Reyes going down and Castillo not batting 8th hurts this team. Right now, I'm hoping they don't trade all their prospects to make a run this year, unless they could get a big bat in the middle of the line-up, Reyes comes back healthy and O. Perez can turn things around and become a solid 3rd starter. I just can't imagine all three of those things happening.

[PD]

Honestly, I think it's amazing that this team is not 10 games under .500.

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While I agree, that doesn't make me feel any better.

I liked it when they hired Minaya as GM, but the Phils have out GM'd the mets for the last few seasons.

[cougarjake13]

is it april 2010 yet ???

[PD]

all i can say is


wtf.:down:

[cougarjake13]

castillo better be gone

[PD]

from metsblog:
I can’t stop shaking my head, and thinking to myself, and asking, ‘No, that didn’t just happen, did it?’

I’m not sure what’s bugging me more, though, the single loss – or knowing every Yankee fan, and most all of baseball, is laughing at the Mets and their fans right now.

I mean, it’s embarrassing. There is no way around it.

The Mets played so well, and played so hard tonight, yet one play, the final play, one error, makes the whole game a joke.

This will be an interesting test for the Mets, because this could very easily demoralize every one, us, the team, the player, every one.

I hope we can keep our collective chin up, as tough as it may be, because there are still 103 games left to be played.

Update, 11:25 pm:

“I made a mistake, I feel bad, I feel bad,” Luis Castillo said, shaking his head, looking totally distraught, speaking from his locker in a silent clubhouse.

[foodcourtdruide]

Hey. Maybe we can all start watching soccer. I hear england has a team.

[lleeder]

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[K.C.]

ahem....excuse me....let me clear my throat
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hammersavage]

mercy

[newport king]

i hate them. all of them. why can't 1 person on this god damn team ever use 2 hands? EVER??!!! keep wright, beltran santana and krod...dump everyone else and stop this charade. and i like the yankees ass slapping and helmet hitting of arod afterward....THEY GAVE U THE GAME.

[MC Pee Pants]

It hurt so bad last night. I had to go o a party afterward and it just wasnt worth it. There wasnt enough whiskey to kill the pain. I dont want to see Castillo ever again.

[foodcourtdruide]

ahem....excuse me....let me clear my throat
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Classy.

[sailor]

and what if he didn't need to relay the ball home?

[SP1!]

Classy.

For this play it was appropriate:

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Geez mets people, thats just embarrassing, I hope they send his ass down at least for being a dumbass.

[K.C.]

It hurt so bad last night. I had to go o a party afterward and it just wasnt worth it. There wasnt enough whiskey to kill the pain. I dont want to see Castillo ever again.

Oh, the pain!

http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/02/13/joe_beningo_does_a_sammy_davis_sn_2.jpg

[hammersavage]

If it happened to the Phillies, I'd post in their thread in this instance.


Fuck it. One game. Phillies lost so we didn't lost a game on first. Win today and Santana tomorrow and forget about it.

[Marc with a c]

Classy.

what do you expect? i gave up caring about what he says concerning the mets two years ago.

[Marc with a c]

If it happened to the Phillies, I'd post in their thread in this instance

then you are just as bad as kc, and that is pretty low down.

[hammersavage]

then you are just as bad as kc, and that is pretty low down.

take it back

[Marc with a c]

take it back

i bet you'd disrespect a sunday morning truce.

[TripleSkeet]

Ya know there is losing, and losing with style. You guys have definitely mastered losing with style.

[spoon]

then you are just as bad as kc, and that is pretty low down.

take it back

Hey, easy on KC there. I'm willing to bet they won't fuck up like this over the next 5 years or more. Sorry, this is clearly a Mets Thang!

[ChrisTheCop]

I'm more embarrassed for the yankers on this.
Did you see them high fiving gayroid, as if he actually did something?
They shouldve been in just as much shock as everyone...EVERYONE...else.
But instead theyre jumping around as if thats exactly what they had planned.

[spoon]

I'm more embarrassed for the yankers on this.
Did you see them high fiving gayroid, as if he actually did something?
They shouldve been in just as much shock as everyone...EVERYONE...else.
But instead theyre jumping around as if thats exactly what they had planned.

I said that to Kev as well. It really was a joke, especially coming off 8 in a row vs Boston. He's hitting homeruns only (bc of the fucking park) and a whopping .233 at that salary. High five away that bs win, vs winning it with some class and realize you got a huge break.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

being a Mets fan is like being a battered wife

I just told every body I fell down the stairs

[foodcourtdruide]

Eh I want to be mad at the yankees, but I can't. A gift win comes around like that once every few years. Who's pitching for the Mets tonight? I feel like our roster is from the movie Major League. If tonights pitcher is from the California Penal League I'm going to pinch myself.

[foodcourtdruide]

Ya know there is losing, and losing with style. You guys have definitely mastered losing with style.

I was a Mets fan in the early 90's when we sucked WITHOUT a doubt. I'd prefer that over this. This is the absolute worst a team with Wright, Beltran, Santana and K-Rod can be.

[ChrisTheCop]

I was a Mets fan in the early 90's when we sucked WITHOUT a doubt. I'd prefer that over this. This is the absolute worst a team with Wright, Beltran, Santana and K-Rod can be.

You realize you had that game won, right?
ONE error doesnt make an entire team suck.
There's another game tonight ya know. LET'S GO METS!!!

[Marc with a c]

you knows it'd bad when a sox fan is talking us off the ledge.

[TripleSkeet]

being a Mets fan is like being a battered wife

I just told every body I fell down the stairs

Are the stairs ok?

[Marc with a c]

what i want to know is how he got up the stairs.

is the handilift empire spreading to staten island?

[BeerBandit]

Alex Cora should've led off this game.

[BeerBandit]

Omir Oh My!!!

[hammersavage]

50 pitches, not even out of the 2nd.

[foodcourtdruide]

You realize you had that game won, right?
ONE error doesnt make an entire team suck.
There's another game tonight ya know. LET'S GO METS!!!

Haha, thank you for being the voice of reason. You must understand my pessimism though, I was crushed!

[PD]

Mets needed this.
17 hits and very good start by Nieve.

Now Santana in the rubber match.

IF somehow they survive this first half and keep it close, maybe they will be tougher for the stretch.

(OK, im wishing and hoping)

[King Hippos Bandaid]

wow, good pick up for the Mets , who knew the Mexican Worker Line on Northern Blvd could produce a winning pitcher

[lleeder]

wow, good pick up for the Mets , who knew the Mexican Worker Line on Northern Blvd could produce a winning pitcher

Relax he faced the Yankees. I don't think they've ever hit a guy that they're seeing for the first time. I'm sure once the Nationals see him he'll give up 7 runs. How many ground balls to first did he get it seemed like 15?

[foodcourtdruide]

Relax he faced the Yankees. I don't think they've ever hit a guy that they're seeing for the first time. I'm sure once the Nationals see him he'll give up 7 runs. How many ground balls to first did he get it seemed like 15?

He was pitching in a stadium where every fly ball looks like it could be a homerun. The stadium itself looks beautiful, but man.. they have to fix whatever problem they have. This isn't baseball. I could have sworn that homerun Santos hit would be caught before the warning track and it ended up 3 rows up!

[MC Pee Pants]

I didn't see Santana arguing with Manuel about letting him stay in the game after 9 earned runs in 4 innings. Whats happening?

[PD]

thank god the Orioles are terrible defensively

[hammersavage]

thank god the Orioles are terrible defensively

and for the Phillies bullpen.

[hammersavage]

This will be his first legitimate blown save.

[PD]

This will be his first legitimate blown save.

I was listening while picking up someone at JFK airport. I couldn't listen to that whole 9th inning.

:sad:

(yeah, the guy is entitled to 1 bad outing, but that doesnt make me feel better)

[newport king]

d.wright will have 125 k's, hit .370 this season, win a batting title, have 10 hrs and never get a hit in the 9th inning. ever.

[spoon]

Wow.

Say what you want, but Philly fans are just fucking hilarious!

Bravo Philly fans, bravo!

Santan's page on baseball ref sponsored by... (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/santajo02.shtml)

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[PD]

d.wright will have 125 k's, hit .370 this season, win a batting title, have 10 hrs and never get a hit in the 9th inning. ever.

um, he already has gotten hits in the 9th inning....
Wow.

Say what you want, but Philly fans are just fucking hilarious!

Bravo Philly fans, bravo!

Santan's page on baseball ref sponsored by... (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/santajo02.shtml)

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
that IS damn funny,

[TheMojoPin]

d.wright will have 125 k's, hit .370 this season, win a batting title, have 10 hrs and never get a hit in the 9th inning. ever.

Wright's 9th inning numbers are very good so far this season. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=wrighda03&year=2009&t=b#innng).

His career 9th inning numbers (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=wrighda03&year=Career&t=b) are also good.

[hammersavage]

Beltran on the DL. Sounds about right.


Unbelievable what has happened to this team. Just stay afloat. And someone watch David Wright 24/7.

[lleeder]

This sounds like a fibia about Beltran's tibia.

[hammersavage]

AP- Beltran on 15 day DL (mole)

[Repent13]

fernando tatis is hitting cleanup tonight.

[hammersavage]

Pujols gets 16 walks this series.

[Mr.Positive Pants]

The Mets will pull together and win all three games. Take that to the window at Vegas.

[KingGeno]

Headlin on fark.com: Mets place Carlos Beltran on the DL. Will now feature a starting line-up with 10 less home runs than Albert Pujols. Seriously

:wub::wub::wub: so great

[TheMojoPin]

The Nigh Mets are my favorite squadron for the next couple of days.

[cougarjake13]

Headlin on fark.com: Mets place Carlos Beltran on the DL. Will now feature a starting line-up with 10 less home runs than Albert Pujols. Seriously

:wub::wub::wub: so great




and yet you're only up 2 games

[cougarjake13]

The Nigh Mets are my favorite squadron for the next couple of days.

cant say im on board

the double a mets have nothing

[Devo37]

AP- Beltran on 15 day DL (mole)

not that the mets need any more injuries, but i really don't care if beltran's hurt. F'n looker!

on another subject, they seriously need to get bullpen cams in citifield! the only camera angle they have of the visitor bullpen is through 2 layers of chain-link fence!

[KingGeno]

Your team is doing what the phillies are doing. Just resting some guys up going into the all star break.

And being up two games means we are better than your team. Doesn't matter the amount of games up. What matters is that your team is DOWN. It's good to know that.

[hammersavage]

Your team is doing what the phillies are doing. Just resting some guys up going into the all star break.

Not quite even on the injury department.

[hammersavage]

The Nigh Mets are my favorite squadron for the next couple of days.

You're welcome fuck cheese. Lot of good it did ya

[KingGeno]

Not quite even on the injury department.

Most of our bullpen is on the DL, another one was added today. It's getting there.

[hammersavage]

Most of our bullpen is on the DL, another one was added today. It's getting there.

Cuz your healthy bullpen was so dominate. It's probably a good thing. We'll talk when Victorino, Howard and Rollins also go down.

[PD]

I went tonight, and after hearing Beltran on DL and Redding pitching, the rain in the forecast was the most appealing expectation.

It turned out to be a very nice night. Redding made 2 mistakes, but the Mets were able to bang out the hits, get lucky at home, get a great pitch by Stokes, and Frankie to wrap it up.

Very nice tonight.

[PD]

The Mets will pull together and win all three games. Take that to the window at Vegas.

by the way, its a 4 game series.

[KingGeno]

http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2009/06/new_york_mets_shortstop_jose_r_1.html

New York Mets shortstop Jose Reyes, trainer Ray Ramirez involved in car accident with firetruck

by Matt Gelb (mgelb@starledger.com)/The Star-Ledger Monday June 22, 2009, 10:53 PM


http://blog.nj.com/mets_main/2009/06/medium_reyesaccident.jpg

Injured shortstop Jose Reyes and team trainer Ray Ramirez were involved in a car accident on the Robert F. Kennedy Bridge Monday. They were rear-ended by a firetruck.


NEW YORK -- Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.
Injured shortstop Jose Reyes and Mets trainer Ray Ramirez were rear-ended by a firetruck on the Robert F. Kennedy Bridge sometime Monday while driving to the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan for a check-up visit, Mets spokesman Jay Horwitz said.
No one was injured in the accident, Horowitz said.



The Mets said nothing about the accident until starting pitcher Tim Redding unknowingly spilled the beans after Monday's 6-4 win over St. Louis.


"I got here about 10 after 4 and a lot of things were going on," Redding said. "Apparently a lot of things were going on all over the city. Our shortstop and our trainer, who's been working his butt off to keep us on the field, got into an accident. Carlos was getting an MRI and being placed on the DL. And people were being moved, brought up and sent all over the place. So it was a whirlwind day."


Yes, indeed.

[hammersavage]

If it really is Parnell and a position prospect to get Dunn, please do it. He can hit them well out of Citi.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

If it really is Parnell and a position prospect to get Dunn, please do it. He can hit them well out of Citi.

agreed, Parnell will blow games for the Expos and lose any self esteem he had

Dunn will hit Bombs and strike out instead of the Double Play

[Snoogans]

Maybe you guys shoulda signed dunn offseason when you had the chance. Or Ibanez

[foodcourtdruide]

Maybe you guys shoulda signed dunn offseason when you had the chance. Or Ibanez

To be fair, no one saw Ibanez having a better year than Pujols. The thing I'm upset about was not getting Lowe.

[PD]

Given their histories, neither Ibanez or Dunn fit the Mets need, mostly because they are both left handed bats, and when you figured Delgado would be in the lineup they needed right handed bats.

as Jayson Stark said yesterday, they need to much to give away decent pieces; they might as well hang around and wait until some of the players come back.

I would have signed Dunn as a FA, but I don't want to give away Parnell (or other decent prospect) for him.

[hammersavage]

Three run rally here, please. One time...

[hammersavage]

I can't remember the last laugher. This was well needed.

[hammersavage]

Fernando mania sweeping New York. How many more starts will Nieve get? He's been fantastic.

[CruelCircus]

Tomorrow should be a pretty sweet pitcher's duel:

Santana vs. Carpenter

[hammersavage]

Day game! I think I might start drinking and roll it into the draft tonight.

[hammersavage]

This game might be over in an hour and a half now that Santana's settled in

[hammersavage]

Put it in the books. 3 of 4 from the Cards. Did Mojo a favor while his teams shits the bed again.

[PD]

Put it in the books. 3 of 4 from the Cards. Did Mojo a favor while his teams shits the bed again.

really. I blame Lou.

as for our team, Frankie's walks make me nervous, but hes the best Mets closer I can remember.

[cougarjake13]

really. I blame Lou.

as for our team, Frankie's walks make me nervous, but hes the best Mets closer I can remember.


definitely !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



better than ....



wagner .... yes
looper ... yes
benetiez ... yes
franco ... loved him but yes
myers ... yes
mcdowell .... yes
orosco ... yes
sisk ... yes
allen .. yes

[hammersavage]

.5 a game out. Despite all the injuries and shit this team went thru. Pretty amazing. Tough series with the Yanks starting tomorrow though.

[cougarjake13]

86 NLCS game 6 on mlb network right now, just started at 1230

[Ogre]

86 NLCS game 6 on mlb network right now, just started at 1230

Who's playing ?

[cougarjake13]

Who's playing ?

astros mets

[PD]

86 NLCS game 6 on mlb network right now, just started at 1230

one of the greatest games.

[cougarjake13]

one of the greatest games.

wish they had the next game on after it but maybe another time

[TheGameHHH]

sweeping the Mets is fun

[MC Pee Pants]

You cant write this shit. Good for Mariano, i guess

[Kevin]

sweeping the Mets is fun

Its always nice, but come on, this team was so depleted.

I take nothing out of this..

Yanks beat on crappy or depleted teams, and get fucked up by the big boys...


I want to see them beat good teams.

[PD]

the 1st 2 were blow outs, but yesterday was just sad.

Murphy poor decisions led to 3 runs instead of 1, and the Mariano walk didn't really effect the outcome, but it was just icing on the poor fundamentals this team has shown.

[hammersavage]

Got the fightin' epo's for 3 starting tonight.

[cougarjake13]

Got the fightin' epo's for 3 starting tonight.

i concur

[MC Pee Pants]

At least Ryan Church hit tonight?

[newport king]

pierre and dunn. do it and do it now. this lineup would be sick when people get healthy. fuck parnell. give up whoever we got. prospects ain't shit. stop acting like we're the royals and have to build from within.

[PD]

pierre and dunn. do it and do it now. this lineup would be sick when people get healthy. fuck parnell. give up whoever we got. prospects ain't shit. stop acting like we're the royals and have to build from within.

I keep hearing Met fans (and Yankee fans) propose that the mets make deals just to do stuff.

This is how the Yankees gave up Fred McGriff and Jay Buhner, and how the Mets dealt Melvin Mora for Mike Bordick and Isringhausen for Billy Taylor, and worst of all, the Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano. you don't make deals for deals sake.

It's not just about building from within; its about stockpiling prospects for when Johan Santanas become available.

Adam Dunn should have been signed as a FA giving up no talent; if Mets passed then, why should they give up a lot of talent now? Juan Pierre is a mediocre player who is having a very good year.

If Beltran's injury is as bad as it may be, stick a fork in the season.

I want to get out of this mediocrity rut, and making rash deals wont help that.

[foodcourtdruide]

I keep hearing Met fans (and Yankee fans) propose that the mets make deals just to do stuff.

This is how the Yankees gave up Fred McGriff and Jay Buhner, and how the Mets dealt Melvin Mora for Mike Bordick and Isringhausen for Billy Taylor, and worst of all, the Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano. you don't make deals for deals sake.

It's not just about building from within; its about stockpiling prospects for when Johan Santanas become available.

Adam Dunn should have been signed as a FA giving up no talent; if Mets passed then, why should they give up a lot of talent now? Juan Pierre is a mediocre player who is having a very good year.

If Beltran's injury is as bad as it may be, stick a fork in the season.

I want to get out of this mediocrity rut, and making rash deals wont help that.

I agree 100%. Adam Dunn is a nice player, but if you put him in this lineup you still just have a AAA team with Adam Dunn and David Wright.

The season is lost. The only reason we're not 15 games out is because the Phillies are not playing well. They'll probably get hot at some point and distance us. I'd actually prefer if we were sellers at the deadline. Guys like Church, Green and Schneider may get us something.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

uggh, now I know how it feels to be a Royals fan


uggh


make it stop

[TheMojoPin]

Oh my God, someone else on this board actually wants to trade for Juan Pierre and his terrible contract?!?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAH !

Yeah, Juan got off to a REALLY hot start...then he remembered that he's Juan Pierre.

Peep these offensive bad boys over the last month:

.258 .321 .309 .630

THAT'S the Juan Pierre you'd be be trading for.

Good Lord, if you're so eager for streaky players with horrible contracts, I'd flat out give you Soriano.

[PD]

L Millz didn't stay long in Washington.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9749436/Yanks-add-infield-depth,-get-Hinske-from-Pirates

[newport king]

i don't think juan pierre is the answer. i think the lineup would look pretty impressive in this gigantic park with 2 burners like him and reyes when he gets healthy. and a guy like dunn that can actually hit it out of the park.

[foodcourtdruide]

Please no Juan Pierre. We already have a Luis Castillo on this team.

[cougarjake13]

pierre and dunn. do it and do it now. this lineup would be sick when people get healthy. fuck parnell. give up whoever we got. prospects ain't shit. stop acting like we're the royals and have to build from within.




are you insane ??


unless we traded for the entire american league all star team this team is not doing shit this year, why waste the time making meaningless trades to MAYBE make the playoffs and get bounced in the nlds ??

[cougarjake13]

Please no Juan Pierre. We already have a Luis Castillo on this team.

i think he's secretly a 2003 marlins fan

[epo]

Got the fightin' epo's for 3 starting tonight.

And through 2 you've already lost the series. Plus tomorrow you face Gallardo, our only good pitcher.

Good luck suckers.

[hammersavage]

And through 2 you've already lost the series. Plus tomorrow you face Gallardo, our only good pitcher.

Good luck suckers.

Easy against a bunch of retards and fat kids Rodriguez.

We have a special plan up our sleeves tomorrow. To bench Wright and Sheffield. GOOD LUCK TO YOU, SUCKER

[Snoogans]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/01/alg_mets.jpg




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[TheMojoPin]

i don't think juan pierre is the answer. i think the lineup would look pretty impressive in this gigantic park with 2 burners like him and reyes when he gets healthy. and a guy like dunn that can actually hit it out of the park.

Again, this is Juan Pierre:

.258 .321 .309 .630

[foodcourtdruide]

Again, this is Juan Pierre:

.258 .321 .309 .630

I really don't understand it. Seriously, this is Luis Castillo, who is one of the worst signings in Mets history. How many #8 hitters could our line-up possibly have?

[TheMojoPin]

What I don't get is why the Brewers and Cardinals get to play you guys now and the Cubs don't get to until much later in the season when you'll have a bunch of your good players back and my guys will still just suck.

[hammersavage]

Is there anything more overrated than a closed door meeting?

[PD]

What I don't get is why the Brewers and Cardinals get to play you guys now and the Cubs don't get to until much later in the season when you'll have a bunch of your good players back and my guys will still just suck.

cards still lost 3 of 4 though

the last good effort by this team

[hammersavage]

epo should be embarrassed for not sweeping.

Pelfrey was brilliant. He's gotta be that pitcher for the next month.

July 1st last year, Mets were 2 games under .500 in 3rd place. Then, they rolled the next 2.5 months before....well whatever happened.

Glad to turn the calendar.

[PD]

epo should be embarrassed for not sweeping.

Pelfrey was brilliant. He's gotta be that pitcher for the next month.

July 1st last year, Mets were 2 games under .500 in 3rd place. Then, they rolled the next 2.5 months before....well whatever happened.

Glad to turn the calendar.

I heard epo told Fielder to head to 3rd....

[PD]

this team is rarely easy on its fans...

[NickyL0885]

Wow....you know things suck when K-Rod can't close out the Pirates.....

[NickyL0885]

2 times a charm for K-Rod. Thank god for Ryan Church. He is getting hot. Leave him in the line up. Evans is also doing well.

[PD]

Mets sign Venezuelan pitcher Juan Urbina, son of former major leaguer Ugie Urgina.

I wonder if he will be as tough as his dad.
"Juan Urbina, who has a slender 6-foot-1 frame, throws an 88-89 mph fastball that some scouts say has touched 90-91. With a loose arm and a projectable body, Urbina'a fastball projects as a future plus if not plus-plus pitch. Urbina also has a curveball that could be a future plus offering, with a smooth delivery and a clean follow-through.

One scout called Urbina the best lefthanded pitcher he has seen in Venezuela in the last five years, high praise for a country that produced Martin Perez of the Rangers. Scouts say the Mets are the frontrunners to sign Urbina, whose father is currently serving a 14-year prison sentence in Venezuela for attempted murder. Ugueth Urbina was convicted in March 2007 for the 2005 incident in which he attacked five workers on his farm with a machete and poured gasoline on them"

[foodcourtdruide]

I can't believe how terrible the Phillies have been. The Mets being 1 game out of first place with their team so depleted is one of the most amazing baseball related things I recall in recent history.

[cougarjake13]

I can't believe how terrible the Phillies have been. The Mets being 1 game out of first place with their team so depleted is one of the most amazing baseball related things I recall in recent history.

its only going to add to the hurt come september


we all should be anxiously awaiting football season and looking towards 2010 mlb season but the phillies ineptitude is allowing us false hope

[hammersavage]

So far, no fights. But this 8th grader is being uppity. We'll see

[K.C.]

I've heard an unconfirmed rumor that hammersavage is being paraded down Packer Avenue in chains while the locals taunt him.

[TheMojoPin]

I've heard an unconfirmed rumor that hammersavage is being paraded down Packer Avenue in chains while the locals taunt him.

And that's different than any other day....how?

[hammersavage]

trade for or fire someone. human sacrifice is needed

[KingGeno]

http://lesliegudel.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/phanatic.jpg
What a fun bloodbath this weekend. Just fantastic.

[K.C.]

trade for or fire someone. human sacrifice is needed

As I've said so many times, Omar's the guy that should fall.

The most overrated GM in baseball...and now he has the Mets in a position where they're locked into a bunch of huge contracts, thus giving them little money to spend in future offseasons, and he's gutted their farm system (well...in actuality, he never built a good one).

[foodcourtdruide]

As I've said so many times, Omar's the guy that should fall.

The most overrated GM in baseball...and now he has the Mets in a position where they're locked into a bunch of huge contracts, thus giving them little money to spend in future offseasons, and he's gutted their farm system (well...in actuality, he never built a good one).

Which huge contracts? The Beltran, Santana and K-Rod contracts are fine. Delgado's contract is up after this year. The only contract I can think of that's really terrible is Castillo's. The O. Perez contract is still up in the air, though I agree not looking good.

Also, to say he never built a good farm system is inaccurate. The Mets organization was ranked 8th in baseball prospectus last year http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5870

I didn't see them in the top 15 this year.

Honestly, I think the Mets put too many eggs into the Delgado basket and they simply don't have any organization depth in their middle infield. The combination of Reyes and Delgado going down (and ultimately Beltran) was just too much for this fragile line-up to take.

I wouldn't mind if Minaya got the axe. It seems that HIS team hasn't worked out.

[K.C.]

The Mets have $140 million in payroll and were like the 2nd highest in baseball, and are pretty much at their limit for how high the Wilpons are willing to go. So while you may like most of the deals, something's got to give...he's built a team that doesn't win an has very little flexibility going forward even WITH Delgado coming off the books (got to factor in raises on existing contracts).

And while BA and Prospectus don't kill the Mets farm system, most of their alleged talent is in the low minors.

Honstely, who's the best homegrown Omar guy? Was Pelfrey one of his? Otherwise it's probably Murphy??

I think he's horribly overrated.

[cougarjake13]

The Mets have $140 million in payroll and were like the 2nd highest in baseball, and are pretty much at their limit for how high the Wilpons are willing to go. So while you may like most of the deals, something's got to give...he's built a team that doesn't win an has very little flexibility going forward even WITH Delgado coming off the books (got to factor in raises on existing contracts).

And while BA and Prospectus don't kill the Mets farm system, most of their alleged talent is in the low minors.

Honstely, who's the best homegrown Omar guy? Was Pelfrey one of his? Otherwise it's probably Murphy??

I think he's horribly overrated.


pelfrey was one of his

[foodcourtdruide]

The Mets have $140 million in payroll and were like the 2nd highest in baseball, and are pretty much at their limit for how high the Wilpons are willing to go. So while you may like most of the deals, something's got to give...he's built a team that doesn't win an has very little flexibility going forward even WITH Delgado coming off the books (got to factor in raises on existing contracts).

And while BA and Prospectus don't kill the Mets farm system, most of their alleged talent is in the low minors.

Honstely, who's the best homegrown Omar guy? Was Pelfrey one of his? Otherwise it's probably Murphy??

I think he's horribly overrated.

I think the farm systems been decent under Omar.

I don't know who's overrating Omar to you. I raraely hear people praising him. I feel like the only time I hear anything about him is when angry white people accuse him of hiring too many hispanics.

[cougarjake13]

I think the farm systems been decent under Omar.

I don't know who's overrating Omar to you. I raraely hear people praising him. I feel like the only time I hear anything about him is when angry white people accuse him of hiring too many hispanics.



its true


im surprised he hasnt traded david wright for edwin encarnacion yet

[K.C.]

I think the farm systems been decent under Omar.

I don't know who's overrating Omar to you. I raraely hear people praising him. I feel like the only time I hear anything about him is when angry white people accuse him of hiring too many hispanics.

Maybe you're right about not overrating him now.

Most of my gripe still comes from the fact that he was exalted as this mad genius when he came to New York based on keeping Montreal afloat when MLB basically froze their payroll.

People fail to realize that ended up being one of the worst trades of this era.

And then I think he's overrated in the sense that he was going to bring this pipeline of young Latin talent through the system.

That's proved false on so many levels. The only prospects of note he's had come up that he drafted or signed were Pelfrey and Murphy (who's not much of a prospect).

[foodcourtdruide]

Maybe you're right about not overrating him now.

Most of my gripe still comes from the fact that he was exalted as this mad genius when he came to New York based on keeping Montreal afloat when MLB basically froze their payroll.

People fail to realize that ended up being one of the worst trades of this era.

And then I think he's overrated in the sense that he was going to bring this pipeline of young Latin talent through the system.

That's proved false on so many levels. The only prospects of note he's had come up that he drafted or signed were Pelfrey and Murphy (who's not much of a prospect).

Lol it is pretty ironic about pelfrey and murphy. I guess I agree with you, though he did put together a very good team in 06.

[NickyL0885]

I've accepted that this team may not win another game heading into the All-Star Break.


Actually, I'm all for breaking it up and rebuilding. Keep Wright, Reyes, Johan, Pelfrey, K-Rod, F-Mart and maybe Murphy and Maine. I'd trade everyone else. I'd also bring up catching prospect Josh Thole, as he is a hitting machine and apparently has the same plate discipline as Murphy.

[K.C.]

Ok, so the Mets have a $150 million payroll this year.

For 2010, this is what they have on the books:

Lineup
C -
1B - Daniel Murphy (club controlled - est. $0.44 mil)
2B - Luis Castillo ($6 mil)
3B - David Wright ($10 mil)
SS - Jose Reyes ($9 mil)
LF
CF - Carlos Beltran ($18.5 mil)
RF - Ryan Church (arb eligible - 2009: $2.8 mil)

Bench:
OF - Jeremy Reed (arb eligible - 2009: $0.9 mil)
IF/OF - Nick Evans (club controlled - est. $0.44 mil)
C - Omir Santos (club controlled - est. $0.44 mil)

Starting Rotation
SP - Johan Santana ($21 mil)
SP - Mike Pelfrey (arb eligible - 2009: $1.2 mil)
SP - Oliver Perez ($12 mil)
SP - John Maine (arb eligible - 2009: $2.6 mil)
SP -

Bullpen
CL - Francisco Rodrigez ($11.5 mil)
SU -
MR - Pedro Feliciano (arb eligible - 2009: $1.61 mil)
MR - Sean Green (arb eligible - 2009: $0.48 mil)
MR - Bobby Parnell (club controlled - est. $0.44 mil)
LR - Brian Stokes (club controlled - est. $0.44 mil)
LR -

Decisions
Billy Wagner ($8 mil vs. $1 mil BO)
J.J. Putz ($8.6 mil vs. $1 mil BO)


With potential raises off the 2009 numbers in arbitration, and if they buy out Wagner and Putz, I have them at about $110 million for 2010 already. If they keep Putz, it's about $117 million.

So they'll have a little cash to play with, but have a lot of holes to fill.

Bengie Molina is the best available free agent catcher in 2010 and would likely command 6-7 million per year in any deal.

At first base, you're looking at Russell Branyan, Nick Johnson, and Adam LaRoche as the best available free agents there. Honestly, I'd stick with Murphy if I couldn't make a trade.

Johnny Damon, Jason Bay, and Matt Holliday are the best available LF's on the market. Damon and Bay are likely to be extended before the offseason, so maybe you're looking at Holliday as the one impact LF.

Bobby Abreu, Vlad Guerrero, and Rick Ankiel are the best RF's available.

The Mets could maybe sign a catcher and one impact corner outfielder this offseason. They still have bullpen and starting pitching problems to address, especially if Perez doesn't rebound, so that will hamper their spending.

[MC Pee Pants]

I went to the game in Philly today and booed and cursed up a storm in damn near every inning at both teams. Bums.

[foodcourtdruide]

Ok, so the Mets have a $150 million payroll this year.

For 2010, this is what they have on the books:


With potential raises off the 2009 numbers in arbitration, and if they buy out Wagner and Putz, I have them at about $110 million for 2010 already. If they keep Putz, it's about $117 million.

So they'll have a little cash to play with, but have a lot of holes to fill.

Bengie Molina is the best available free agent catcher in 2010 and would likely command 6-7 million per year in any deal.

At first base, you're looking at Russell Branyan, Nick Johnson, and Adam LaRoche as the best available free agents there. Honestly, I'd stick with Murphy if I couldn't make a trade.

Johnny Damon, Jason Bay, and Matt Holliday are the best available LF's on the market. Damon and Bay are likely to be extended before the offseason, so maybe you're looking at Holliday as the one impact LF.

Bobby Abreu, Vlad Guerrero, and Rick Ankiel are the best RF's available.

The Mets could maybe sign a catcher and one impact corner outfielder this offseason. They still have bullpen and starting pitching problems to address, especially if Perez doesn't rebound, so that will hamper their spending.

I think it depends if the Mets are buyers or sellers at the deadline. If they're over 8 games out eventhough they had Beltran and Reyes back for a few weeks and Delgado officially won't be back, then I think they'll be sellers. Guys like Sheffield, Church and Green could possibly land us things like catcher to platoon with Santos, 5th starter.

Also, you're talking as if this team at full strength is as terrible as we saw this weekend. They are not. Beltran and Reyes (plus Delgado, but who didn't expect that?) being out of this line-up absolutely kill it.

[BeerBandit]

The Mets are fine at catcher. As the announcers have sad ad nauseum, the catcher position on the Mets has the most RBIs of any team's catcher. After this season, Schneider goes, Santos is the backup and the Mets starting catcher for 2010 is...

JOSH THOLE!

[PD]

Jeez, KC.

Omar is not the devil. He's a mediocre GM- but he's no Steve Phillips.

The team has $110 million invested? well considering Johan, Frankie, Beltran, Wright and Reyes, what would you expect?

You can say that last season Omar shouldn't have signed Ollie, but there wasn't much of a choice. Derek Lowe is 7-7 with a 1.43 whip at 35. there wasn't much starting pitching out there- look at what you guys gave Moyer.

Maybe the Mets should have signed Ibanez, as was rumored, but I think that the Phils lucked into it more than the Mets screwed up. He is a lefty hitter, and Mets expected to have too many lefty hitters. His career OPS is .829, but this year it was 1.027 at age 37. Really, who thought that?

they did not put too much into Delgado. He had 1 yr option at decent money after a great 2nd half. If Beltran Reyes and Maine had been as last year the team would be fine.

Omar hasn't fixed their over riding problem of drafting issues, but again, Pelf was his, as was F-Mart (who is only 20) Wilmer Flores and Brad Holt. Was he over rated? I didn't think he was a savior, but considering he followed Steve Phillips and Jim Duquette he was an improvement.

the biggest problem the last couple years has been fundamentals. I thought Willie Randolph would be better at instituting fundamentals, but obviously not, and Gangsta Manuel hasn't done much better. Maybe that's Omar's biggest problem- not insisting that his players know what base to throw to, or to touch when rounding them.

[foodcourtdruide]

Jeez, KC.

Omar is not the devil. He's a mediocre GM- but he's no Steve Phillips.

The team has $110 million invested? well considering Johan, Frankie, Beltran, Wright and Reyes, what would you expect?

You can say that last season Omar shouldn't have signed Ollie, but there wasn't much of a choice. Derek Lowe is 7-7 with a 1.43 whip at 35. there wasn't much starting pitching out there- look at what you guys gave Moyer.

Maybe the Mets should have signed Ibanez, as was rumored, but I think that the Phils lucked into it more than the Mets screwed up. He is a lefty hitter, and Mets expected to have too many lefty hitters. His career OPS is .829, but this year it was 1.027 at age 37. Really, who thought that?

they did not put too much into Delgado. He had 1 yr option at decent money after a great 2nd half. If Beltran Reyes and Maine had been as last year the team would be fine.

Omar hasn't fixed their over riding problem of drafting issues, but again, Pelf was his, as was F-Mart (who is only 20) Wilmer Flores and Brad Holt. Was he over rated? I didn't think he was a savior, but considering he followed Steve Phillips and Jim Duquette he was an improvement.

the biggest problem the last couple years has been fundamentals. I thought Willie Randolph would be better at instituting fundamentals, but obviously not, and Gangsta Manuel hasn't done much better. Maybe that's Omar's biggest problem- not insisting that his players know what base to throw to, or to touch when rounding them.

I still think it was a mistake going after Perez over Lowe, but not as bad as the Castillo signing. The Castillo signing is inexcusable and terrible.

Also, I don't blame him for not going after Ibanez. NO ONE expected Ibanez to play as well as he did before he got hurt.

Again, if I had to fault him for anything it would be a lack of organizational depth in the middle infield, the Castillo signing and counting on the oft injured Delgado too much in the lineup. I don't blame him for Beltran, Putz, Maine and Reyes' injuries and only give him some of the blame for Oliver Perez being COMPLETELY ineffective.

[foodcourtdruide]

I saw on the Mets message board a thread with the following title:
Davis/Havens and Niese for Dunn

I wouldn't do it. This reminds of New York Knicks mentality. Bandaids on knife wounds.

[TheMojoPin]

How the fuck is one of the greatest home run hitters of all time a "Band-Aid?"

HOW DARE YOU SLANDER MY BELOVED ADAM DUNN LIKE THAT.

[foodcourtdruide]

How the fuck is one of the greatest home run hitters of all time a "Band-Aid?"

HOW DARE YOU SLANDER MY BELOVED ADAM DUNN LIKE THAT.

Haha, Adam Dunn is a decent player, however unfortunately he cannot simultaneously play SS, 2B, 1B, 2 OF positions and SP to fix the Mets current problems.

[TripleSkeet]

I went to the game in Philly today and booed and cursed up a storm in damn near every inning at both teams. Bums.

Sorry, I was late yesterday and didnt have time...
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1364/48973845.png (http://img6.imageshack.us/i/48973845.png/)

[cougarjake13]

Sorry, I was late yesterday and didnt have time...
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1364/48973845.png (http://img6.imageshack.us/i/48973845.png/)

thats like being happy you beat up a bus full of retards

[PD]

thats like being happy you beat up a bus full of retards

it's more like being beat up by a bus full of retards.

:smoke:

[lleeder]

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[hammersavage]

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I MADE A LLEEDER CALL!!!! What a day for me...


Always picking on Bill Pidto, love it.

'He has to go out and search, search, hurry up and search for a bat' is amazing.

Who the fuck is Lendl?

[hammersavage]

throwing the ball around the infield like just jon. hilarious

[foodcourtdruide]

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Lol! I love any Ron and Fez related prank call. The Search, Search Hurry up and Search line was really hilarious and for some reason I got really excited to hear hammersavage.

[hammersavage]

for some reason I got really excited to hear hammersavage.

its a thrill for all. enjoy it

[hammersavage]

2 semi-important roster moves that I think help bring a little stability to everything: 1)Ollie starting frees Redding to be the long man. Slot Dessens down, get Stokes comfortable in the 8th. 2)Pagan is close. He brings a little something in center, played really well when he was healthy. Send FMart down when that happens.

[hammersavage]

Oh yea, a win. Almost forgot what they were like

[PD]

Oh yea, a win. Almost forgot what they were like

exactly.
that DP looked way better than an ordinary Wed night game which is what it was.

and Manny HR added to the tension.

[PD]

2 semi-important roster moves that I think help bring a little stability to everything: 1)Ollie starting frees Redding to be the long man. Slot Dessens down, get Stokes comfortable in the 8th. 2)Pagan is close. He brings a little something in center, played really well when he was healthy. Send FMart down when that happens.

yeah, I hate to say it be Pagan will help. He is a major league player, and F-mart isn't yet.
A chance to play some more decent fielding OF'ers will help too.

Ollie still walked 7, but at least kept em in; Redding has given up way to many HR's lately.

[MC Pee Pants]

Good game.

[NickyL0885]

Regardless of if you think the runner was safe, Murphys play was SICKKKKKK! Play of the year.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

2 out 3 against the Dodgers is the perfect way to bring me back

getting swept by the Reds, is the black eye that I will receive since the Mets treat their fans like an abused housewife

[PD]

Regardless of if you think the runner was safe, Murphys play was SICKKKKKK! Play of the year.

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since he was out, it is great; if it wound up in the stands, we'd all bash him.

[cougarjake13]

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since he was out, it is great; if it wound up in the stands, we'd all bash him.



awesome play looked pretty close and in some angles looks like he beat the throw but ump called him out so it counts

[PD]

honeymoon over

Mets stink again.:down:

[TheGameHHH]

honeymoon over

Mets stink again.:down:

again? i dont remember a time when they didnt stink

[PD]

again? i dont remember a time when they didnt stink
http://images.wikia.com/openserving/sports/images/6/65/1986mets.jpg
http://majorleaguejerk.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/mets-win.jpg

[Kevin]

i heard a Met fan make the worst comment you can ever make...


We are worse than the Knicks...

[K.C.]

Nice job.

The Mets suck, but they can at least help the Phils out by hurting some Dodgers.

Stokes needs to bury a fastball in Kemp's ribs here.

[foodcourtdruide]

i heard a Met fan make the worst comment you can ever make...


We are worse than the Knicks...

We went to the NLCS 3 years ago. We'll be in knicks territory if we have 8 more seasons like this.

[MC Pee Pants]

We went to the NLCS 3 years ago. We'll be in knicks territory if we have 8 more seasons like this.

The seasons not over. Buck up everyone.

[PD]

The seasons not over. Buck up everyone.

It pretty much is over. I think this happened to the mets once before (89?) where they got all sorts of injuries and never recovered.

If Omar was smart, he'd tell Manuel to live or die with the young players. Starting Tatis serves no purpose; at least play Murphy and/or Evans every day and see what you have. Bring up Niese again, who seems to have turned it around in AAA.

Once the vets come back you can change back, but playing these 30+yr old backups as starters isn't serving any purpose.

[BeerBandit]

I know they aren't much of a draw, but would anybody want to buy a couple of tix off of me for tomorrow's game? I'm going with a good sized group, including my Pops and Pops-in-law, and we had two people cancel. We are in the Promenade, 3rd base side behind home plate. If interested, PM me, we'll work something out.

[NickyL0885]

Mets get Jeff Francoeur from Braves for Ryan Church.

I like the deal. Francoeur is better defensively and has a better arm. He is right handed, has more power and is 25. Better upside. Change of scenery could be good for him.

[hammersavage]

he's 25 and arbitration eligible for the next two years. I _____________________ this deal.



(ill fill it in in a few months)

[Kevin]

Mets get Jeff Francoeur from Braves for Ryan Church.

I like the deal. Francoeur is better defensively and has a better arm. He is right handed, has more power and is 25. Better upside. Change of scenery could be good for him.

Wow, that is a damn good trade. Francour has a ton of ability.

[disneyspy]

he's 25 and arbitration eligible for the next two years. I _____________________ this deal.



(ill fill it in in a few months)

i'm glad to see this deal cuz the tigers are pullin too far in front of the mets and theres no drama in mine and hammer's bet

[foodcourtdruide]

Wow, that is a damn good trade. Francour has a ton of ability.

I agree. I like the trade. I love great defensive outfielders. Church was a good player, but he was always hurt and never seemed to fit in on this team.

[PD]

Wow, that is a damn good trade. Francoeur has a ton of ability.

I agree. I like the trade. I love great defensive outfielders. Church was a good player, but he was always hurt and never seemed to fit in on this team.

I'm not so sure.
If this trade was made in march I'd understand it better, as it is lefty for righty; however church was one of the few players playing reasonably well, and Franceour had his best season 2 yrs ago.
last year Francoeur had .653 OPS and this year .634.
Church had .785, and even though this year is somewhat disappointing, it still is .707

you get a younger trade, but I wonder why Francoeur has been on a downslide.

[cougarjake13]

http://images.wikia.com/openserving/sports/images/6/65/1986mets.jpg
http://majorleaguejerk.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/mets-win.jpg

between that and 69 is the only times



close seconds go to 73,88,99,00,and 06

[cougarjake13]

I'm not so sure.
If this trade was made in march I'd understand it better, as it is lefty for righty; however church was one of the few players playing reasonably well, and Franceour had his best season 2 yrs ago.
last year Francoeur had .653 OPS and this year .634.
Church had .785, and even though this year is somewhat disappointing, it still is .707

you get a younger trade, but I wonder why Francoeur has been on a downslide.



why would the braves make the deal though ?? other than church is hot now and francoeur cant seem to get out of his brave funk

[PD]

why would the braves make the deal though ?? other than church is hot now and francoeur cant seem to get out of his brave funk

from Rob Neyer of ESPN
So, let's review: The Braves got a decent hitter and fielder who bats left-handed, and thus can platoon (or semi-platoon) with Matt Diaz in right field. The Mets got ... what, exactly? If you figure it out, drop a line to Jerry Manuel. He's going to need all the help he can get with this one.

[SP1!]

Mets get Jeff Francoeur from Braves for Ryan Church.

I like the deal. Francoeur is better defensively and has a better arm. He is right handed, has more power and is 25. Better upside. Change of scenery could be good for him.

His defense is average this year at best, he has given up numerous triples misjudging balls and his arm is great if his target is 5 rows up behind home.

Francoeur has lost it, he will have to work hard just to get back to average but his defense has suffered, his hitting has left him, and his power just disappeared, this is a mere shadow of the player from a couple of years ago. Besides the braves have 2 of their best prospects that will be september call ups and one of them may be up sooner now that this trade has been made.

I would definitely wait for a year or two before thinking this was a good trade because he went downhill quickly.

from Rob Neyer of ESPN

So, let's review: The Braves got a decent hitter and fielder who bats left-handed, and thus can platoon (or semi-platoon) with Matt Diaz in right field. The Mets got ... what, exactly? If you figure it out, drop a line to Jerry Manuel. He's going to need all the help he can get with this one.

Yeah everyone in baseball is wondering what hes thinking, if they fix francoeur hes a genius, but if he keeps going the way hes going he will be out of the league in a year.

[TheMojoPin]

To me it seems obvious what changed about Francouer between his early success and now. His hitting mechanics have obviously shifted to the point that he swings earlier and higher than he did when he first showed up and as such it's basically crippled him against facing breaking balls. He didn't have the greatest plate approach to begin with, so this change has really exposed his hitting flaws to the point that his natural ability and his bat speed aren't enough to make up for them. I have no idea if the Mets can do anything about this, but I seriously doubt it. It's not like it's hard to spot and I'm sure the Braves did and attempted to correct it. This is a bad, bad, bad trade for the Mets. Church is nothing great, but he's more useful than Frenchy.

[brettmojo]

Yeah everyone in baseball is wondering what hes thinking, if they fix francoeur hes a genius, but if he keeps going the way hes going he will be out of the league in a year.
Well look at the success that had with fixing Zambra... Oh yeah, nevermind.

[K.C.]

Your petty moves mean nothing to the Phillie juggernaut.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
:devil2:

[cougarjake13]

Your petty moves mean nothing to the Phillie juggernaut.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
:devil2:

are you kidding !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


this at least ensures another mets collapse

[PD]

To me it seems obvious what changed about Francouer between his early success and now. His hitting mechanics have obviously shifted to the point that he swings earlier and higher than he did when he first showed up and as such it's basically crippled him against facing breaking balls. He didn't have the greatest plate approach to begin with, so this change has really exposed his hitting flaws to the point that his natural ability and his bat speed aren't enough to make up for them. I have no idea if the Mets can do anything about this, but I seriously doubt it. It's not like it's hard to spot and I'm sure the Braves did and attempted to correct it. This is a bad, bad, bad trade for the Mets. Church is nothing great, but he's more useful than Frenchy.

I take away 2 bads.
I don't like the trade, but Church was a mediocre 30 yr old.
Franceour is a bad 25 yr old who was a good 23 yr old. If it doesn't work it won't be that big a deal; remember Church was 1/2 of the deal for Milledge, who is back in the Minors with his 3rd team.

I was at yesterdays game and I did get very close to throwing something when they almost blew the game vs a Red team that didn't have Jay Bruce, nor Joey Votto after he was thrown out.

[cougarjake13]

I take away 2 bads.
I don't like the trade, but Church was a mediocre 30 yr old.
Franceour is a bad 25 yr old who was a good 23 yr old. If it doesn't work it won't be that big a deal; remember Church was 1/2 of the deal for Milledge, who is back in the Minors with his 3rd team.

I was at yesterdays game and I did get very close to throwing something when they almost blew the game vs a Red team that didn't have Jay Bruce, nor Joey Votto after he was thrown out.

they just wanted to get k rod another save opportunity

[KingGeno]

No excitement about the second half of the season? Why not, guys?

What are your hopes and dreams? Hopes a good thing.

[SP1!]

Maybe they are tired of seeing chipper killing them

[PD]

No excitement about the second half of the season? Why not, guys?

What are your hopes and dreams? Hopes a good thing.

http://rlv.zcache.com/stick_a_fork_in_us_were_done_class_of_2008_sticker-p217414503555401237qjcl_400.jpg

I'll still go to the games, but it's not like I see a run for this injured team.

[foodcourtdruide]

No excitement about the second half of the season? Why not, guys?

What are your hopes and dreams? Hopes a good thing.

You are a bad person.

[PD]

I hate to give geno ammunition, but
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/16/banner-day-2009/?ref=sports

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/bats/posts/bedsheetblog1.480.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com//images/blogs/bats/posts/bedsheetblog2.480.jpg

[cougarjake13]

and now sheffield is hurt


pretty soon it'll be just david wright and the buffalo bisons

[Hottub]

Wrong Thread! :wallbash:

[SP1!]

Nice, mets are done, usually I wouldn't care but mets fans are obnoxious

[SP1!]

Sorry mets people, I was drunk at the bar when I posted that last comment.

Now Im just drunk at home.

[PD]

Sorry mets people, I was drunk at the bar when I posted that last comment.

Now Im just drunk at home.

I hope you enjoyed today's game then.

[foodcourtdruide]

I hate listening to sports talk radio when the Mets or Yankees are playing poorly. What I hate most is how they magically know that omar minaya is doing "nothing". As if he hasn't showed up to work in 6 weeks.

[disneyspy]

ouch the mets players are droppin like like fly balls off their gloves

[PD]

Does KC have a Met voodoo doll?

Yet ANOTHER injury.
Nieve.

ugh.

[Devo37]

Keith Hernandez has been nose-whistling all night and it's driving me quite mad!

[cougarjake13]

mets rejected this trade



halladay for

parnell
f mart
neise
ruben tejada




would you have done it ??

[TheMojoPin]

mets rejected this trade



halladay for

parnell
f mart
neise
ruben tejada




would you have done it ??

Fuck yes.

The Mets are basically done this year, but they'd get Halladay for next year. Do that trade with the plan to do whatever it takes to sign him to an extension: a 1-2 of Santana and Halladay is godly. That's a relative steal if that's what it would take for them to stack up two pitchers that good. Beltran and Reyes will be back from their injuries...Delgado will have to be replaced, but fuck, if this really was all it would have taken for them to get Halladay then the Mets are moronic turning this down.

[SP1!]

I hate listening to sports talk radio when the Mets or Yankees are playing poorly. What I hate most is how they magically know that omar minaya is doing "nothing". As if he hasn't showed up to work in 6 weeks.

The mets just need to fire wilpon, its getting sad like the old yankees just buying beat up old players that cant play a whole season without getting a hang nail, did they learn nothing by watching the yankees crumble?

[SP1!]

Fuck yes.

The Mets are basically done this year, but they'd get Halladay for next year. Do that trade with the plan to do whatever it takes to sign him to an extension: a 1-2 of Santana and Halladay is godly. That's a relative steal if that's what it would take for them to stack up two pitchers that good. Beltran and Reyes will be back from their injuries...Delgado will have to be replaced, but fuck, if this really was all it would have taken for them to get Halladay then the Mets are moronic turning this down.

I find it hard to believe thats all the jays wanted, its not a lot and I would have expected them to want a lot of top prospects in addition to a few current major leaguers. If the phillies keep playing like this then I expect him to be there which just sucks for teams in the east.

[The Happening]

I find it hard to believe thats all the jays wanted. That trade offer is being reported as bogus. However, that would be a pretty good hall for the Jays. Getting 3 of the top 5 mets prospects, inclduing Martinez(30) and Neise(77) who are among the top 100 prospects in all of baseball. J. P. Ricciardi would do backflips for a week if he got Minaya to agree to that deal. Minaya would never do it however.

[hammersavage]

I would do it from a value perspective. The amount of can't miss Mets prospects who they have traded and done absolutely nothing is too long: Alex Escobar, Lasting Milledge, Kazmir been a disappointment.

The only reason I wouldn't do it is because you are getting him for a year and a half, and that half of a season will be wasted on this year because we won't be catching the Phillies. Looks great for next year but that is just one season for a bunch of prospects and holes to fill.

[newport king]

Kazmir been a disappointment.

really?

[hammersavage]

really?

Mite be the wrong word. I thought he would be even better. And the deal was still indefensible.

[PD]

mets rejected this trade



halladay for

parnell
f mart
neise
ruben tejada




would you have done it ??

EVERYONE today denying this was ever offered. Keith Law is on 1050 now denying it.

[PD]

Mite be the wrong word. I thought he would be even better. And the deal was still indefensible.

Hammer is correct. Kazmir is no Halladay, but then again, Victor Zambrano was shit.

[BeerBandit]

Listen to Omar pump up his move as Frenchy drops the ball.

[K.C.]

Only five walks for Ollie tonight.

I guess that's progress.

Oh wait, it's the Nationals...

[hammersavage]

If Tatis doesn't get DFA'd soon, I'm gonna take a hostage. HE HAS NOTHING LEFT YOU MORONS!!!


But I am in love with Lannan. I think he can be a strong pitcher in the league for a long time, thought so since I first saw him last year. Teams are trying to pick off Dunn or Johnson, but they should try to get him if at all possible. He's good.

5 shutouts in 13 games. Esh.

[PD]

If Tatis doesn't get DFA'd soon, I'm gonna take a hostage. HE HAS NOTHING LEFT YOU MORONS!!!


But I am in love with Lannan. I think he can be a strong pitcher in the league for a long time, thought so since I first saw him last year. Teams are trying to pick off Dunn or Johnson, but they should try to get him if at all possible. He's good.

5 shutouts in 13 games. Esh.

love Lannan. he's a lefty from Long Beach LI.
He'd own NY.

[newport king]

i hate this team. injuries or not, this is fucking pathetic. Ollie P even being on this team is ridiculous. yeah he's great against the yankees once and awhile. and is great when he's good against the braves.

Getting sheffield was dumb. 500th homerun or not, he's a dirty fucking cheat. So is Tatis. Fuck it we need offense, someone call bonds while we're at it.

How many times do i have to put on the game in the later innings and we've scored 1 or 2 runs...maybe we get lucky and have an offensive onslaught of 3 runs.

This team can suck my dick. So can their ugly fucking field. "Ohhhhh you gotta try the shake shack!" you know what i'd like to try? a winning team. a team that finishes. a team that hustles. im so pissed off that they were good in the 80's when i was a kid. and now i'm stuck with them.

[newport king]

and i really hope the wilpons give up and sell the team. i'm not saying they're responsible because despite what some people think this is the 2nd highest paid team in the majors. the entire front office is so inept and so clueless i wish they would figure out the only way to recoup the madoff losses is to sell.

wilpons, minaya, bernazard, jay horowitz...all of them. send them packing.

the los mets project has been a failure. 2006 was as close as we were gonna get. we've sucked since the all star break of 07.

i miss shea. i just watched a documentary on SNY about the mets when they played at ebbets field...oh wait it was a brooklyn dodgers retrospective....WHO HERE CAN SAY THEY SAW THE BROOKLYN DODGERS PLAY?!?!??!?!????

Sell the team, Buy the dodgers and bring them to brooklyn for fucks sake.

Instead you do dumb shit like take the autograph of the 2nd best pitcher the franchise has ever had and remove it.
And take 20 friggin years to honor the 86 team....yeah they loved coke. big shit. they won. stop hiding it.

Put up a god damn statue of tom seaver already. retire piazza's number. if his name comes out on a steroid list unretire it.

[hammersavage]

Holy shit, this is embarrassing. He needs to be fired but he's Omar's butt buddy

A New York Mets executive recently challenged one of club's minor league teams to a fight during a postgame clubhouse tirade, the New York Daily News reported, citing multiple sources with ties to the team.

Tony Bernazard, the team's vice president for player development, pulled off his shirt and challenged the Double-A Binghamton Mets in the tirade, about 10 days before the All-Star break. He in particular targeted middle infield prospect Jose Coronado, according to the report.

Binghamton had gone 1-6 during an early July homestand that coincided with the outburst, losing three of those games by at least seven runs. The team was 37-58 and in last place in the Eastern League Northern Division entering Wednesday's scheduled games.

Allegations of underage drinking on the team were apparently another motivation for Bernazard's tirade, an organization source said, according to the report.

"It's ridiculous that anyone in a professional baseball environment thinks it's acceptable," a friend of several players said, according to the report.

Mets GM Omar Minaya said Bernazard spoke to the minor-league team in a "stern voice," but said he had no knowledge of the particulars.

"I know he did have a team meeting with them," Minaya said, according to the Daily News. "It was not a 'you-guys-have-been-great meeting.' I know he spoke to them in a stern voice. But as far as what he was wearing, what kind of shoes he was wearing, I don't know anything about that."

It's the second report in two days of startling behavior by Bernazard, 52, who has been fingered in the media as a key influence behind the firings of manager Willie Randolph and pitching coach Rick Peterson last season.

Tuesday, the Daily News reported that at a recent game at Citi Field, Bernazard, who wanted a seat behind home plate that was occupied by an Arizona Diamondbacks scout, unleashed a profanity-laced tirade against a subordinate who suggested the wait until the half-inning was over to take the seat.

It has not been a good season on the field for the Mets' top farm teams. The Mets' top affiliate, the Triple-A Buffalo Bisons, were an International League-worst 34-58 entering Wednesday's games.

[asayresk]

stop going to the games! That the only way to show the Wilpons that the fans are fed up. Now I here Tony Bennizard is challenging the double A team to a fight over under age drinking. If I were on that team I would had smashed a beer bottle over his head that same instance. WAKE UP Wilpons, the fans are pissed. The Wilpons shy away from signing guys like Manny Ramirez because its a bad public relations move, yet they have guys in the orginzation who have not proviing a damn thing like Tony Bennizard. What makes this even better is that the Yankees and the Phillies are in first place laughing at the Mets.

[foodcourtdruide]

stop going to the games! That the only way to show the Wilpons that the fans are fed up. Now I here Tony Bennizard is challenging the double A team to a fight over under age drinking. If I were on that team I would had smashed a beer bottle over his head that same instance. WAKE UP Wilpons, the fans are pissed. The Wilpons shy away from signing guys like Manny Ramirez because its a bad public relations move, yet they have guys in the orginzation who have not proviing a damn thing like Tony Bennizard. What makes this even better is that the Yankees and the Phillies are in first place laughing at the Mets.

The Mets have one of the highest payrolls in baseball and made it to Game 7 of the NLCS a few years ago. We are having one losing season and Mets fans should stop going to games? Why? Because someone I never heard of until I read the article hammersavage posted yelled at a group of 20 year olds?

[asayresk]

The Mets have one of the highest payrolls in baseball and made it to Game 7 of the NLCS a few years ago. We are having one losing season and Mets fans should stop going to games? Why? Because someone I never heard of until I read the article hammersavage posted yelled at a group of 20 year olds?

If you wanna pay over price tickets to wacth a losing francise it find with me.

[hammersavage]

The Mets have one of the highest payrolls in baseball and made it to Game 7 of the NLCS a few years ago. We are having one losing season and Mets fans should stop going to games? Why? Because someone I never heard of until I read the article hammersavage posted yelled at a group of 20 year olds?

Bernazard has been a known douche for years. I don't care who goes to games.

[hammersavage]

http://www.metsblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/image-150.jpg

Oof. Better than 'Mets get shut out again'

[PD]

http://www.metsblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/image-150.jpg

Oof. Better than 'Mets get shut out again'
How about this?
In a post to Twitter, Yankees reporter Peter Abraham of the Journal News jokingly writes, “If you don’t read my blog I’ll have Tony Bernazard kick all your asses. And he can do it.”


did you see tonight's lineup?

ooooooooooooooofa.

Angel Pagan will bat leadoff, followed by Luis Castillo at second, Daniel Murphy at first, David Wright, Jeff Francoeur in right field, Sullivan, Berroa and Brian Schneider behind the plate.

[foodcourtdruide]

If you wanna pay over price tickets to wacth a losing francise it find with me.

There are currently 12 teams in baseball with losing records. People still show up at their games. If you only cheer for your team when they are winning then you are a bad fan.

[foodcourtdruide]

Bernazard has been a known douche for years. I don't care who goes to games.

I wasn't saying you'd care. I only referenced you because of the article. Sorry.

[PD]

There are currently 12 teams in baseball with losing records. People still show up at their games. If you only cheer for your team when they are winning then you are a bad fan.

I do agree there.

I have gone to see some bad teams at Shea.