Do you think it's possible Hank Aaron used steroids?

[TheMojoPin]

I posted a link to this theory (http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/02/hammerin_hank_a.html) in the ARod thread.

Personally, I have no idea. Aaron and his record have become such a scared cow at this point that there seems little discussion of the idea. The link does point out how strange it was that Aaron's power numbers spiked to career numbers as they did at age 37, well past when most players are actually in their declining years, and how the first year of that spike conincided with two of his teammates having sudden and dramatic increases in their power hitting.

Compare Hank Aaron's stats at the beginning of his career and then notice how his HR% began to increase beginning when Hammerin' Hank was 37 years old.

HR% is defined as being the number of HRs per 100 ABs.

Age HRs HR%
33 44 7.3
34 39 6.5
35 29 4.8

Nothing unusual about these statistics; it is a typical profile of a slugger in decline as he ages. But then Hank began to undergo an 'enhancement.'

Age HRs HR%
36 44 8.0
37 38 7.4

What explains this spike at a latter age? Expansion? Perhaps. But then what happens?

Age HRs HR%
38 47 9.5
39 34 7.6

Hank...What's going on buddy? Aaron's HR% were TOPS in the NL in both 1971 and 1972. Hmm.

Age HRs HR%
40 40 10.2

Which leads us to 1973 when at age 40 in just 392 at bats, juiced 40 HR's for a HR% of 10.2. Once again TOPS in NL for the THIRD STRAIGHT YEAR and the HIGHEST HR% in the ENTIRE 23 year career of Hank Aaron.

Hank Aaron at 40 was not the only Atlanta Brave to hit 40 Hrs that season. Teammates Darrell Evans and Davey Johnson blasted 41 and 43 HRs respectively.

Darrell Evans

Year HRs HR%
1971 12 4.6
1972 19 4.5

1973 41 6.9

1974 25 4.4
1975 22 2.8

Notice a statistical anomaly? Let's see what Davey Johnson did.

Davey Johnson

Year HRs HR%
1971 18 3.5
1972 5 1.3

1973 43 7.7

1974 15 3.3
1975 Played 1 game
1976 Did not play MLB

Notice a statistical anomaly? It would be one thing for Hank Aaron to undergo an 'enhancement', but what are the odds that not one but TWO teammates would both have career years in HR's and HR% in the SAME YEAR as when a Congressional Committee issued its final report saying that anabolic steroids were rampant in the game? Why did Darrell Evans and Davey Johnson both experience career spikes in HR's only to return to earth the following year? And how did Hank finish up?

Age HRs HR%
41 20 5.9
42 12 2.6
43 10 3.7

So what happened? Enquiring minds want to know.

A sudden surge in power when a player should be declining is usually one of things people see as most damning in the steroid era. What should we think of Aaron?

[TooLowBrow]

does ARod = ARon?

[K.C.]

Why would anyone in baseball, at any point during the history of the game, be above suspicion of cheating?

It's a game that has built careers on the premise of cheating.

So yes, it's totally possible.

[Gvac]

Nothing Is Real Anymore!!!

[lleeder]

Anythings possible. I think he's alien that got stuck here and just really enjoys playing baseball.

[TheMojoPin]

And I really don't give a shit if he did. Hank Aaron rules with or without steroids.

[TheMojoPin]

Anythings possible. I think he's alien that got stuck here and just really enjoys playing baseball.

That episode of the X-Files suuuuuuuuuuucked.

[K.C.]

Nothing Is Real Anymore!!!

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[Drunky McBetidont]

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[razorboy]

Nothing Is Real Anymore!!!

His love is.

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[Gvac]

In all honesty, I'm absolutely shocked that HGH and steroids have been around as long as they have. I always thought of them as a recent development, but apparently not.

And with what we've heard and seen, nothing would shock me anymore.

If he did, though, he'd be the world's biggest hypocrite for the way he feigned disgust with Bonds breaking his record.

[spoon]

In all honesty, I'm absolutely shocked that HGH and steroids have been around as long as they have. I always thought of them as a recent development, but apparently not.

And with what we've heard and seen, nothing would shock me anymore.

If he did, though, he'd be the world's biggest hypocrite for the way he feigned disgust with Bonds breaking his record.

Agreed, but the spiral continued bc MLB looked the other way. Hell, I wouldn't even put MLB above helping putting it out there for easier access.

[hammersavage]

In all honesty, I'm absolutely shocked that HGH and steroids have been around as long as they have. I always thought of them as a recent development, but apparently not.

Go watch Rocky IV. Steroid city.

[Knowledged_one]

Im starting to think cal ripken jr may have taken them

[Chip196]

I don't know if he did, but I bet if he played in the 90's he would have.

[cougarjake13]

its absolutely possible


and your post of stats definites enhances it to probable as one of the main strikes against bonds is his sudden late career power surge




young aaron
http://bitsandpieces.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/imagesaaron.jpg




aaron when he hits 715
http://www.baseballbigmouth.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/aaron.jpg



not its not as drastic as young bonds vs 2000s bonds but maybe that can be attributed to better P.E.D. in bonds era vs aaron's

[razorboy]

its absolutely possible


and your post of stats definites enhances it to probable as one of the main strikes against bonds is his sudden late career power surge




young aaron
http://bitsandpieces.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/imagesaaron.jpg




aaron when he hits 715
http://www.baseballbigmouth.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/aaron.jpg



not its not as drastic as young bonds vs 2000s bonds but maybe that can be attributed to better P.E.D. in bonds era vs aaron's

I'm not saying it isn't possible, but the pictures look to me like a pretty natural progression in body type going from a twenty year old kid to a forty year old man.

[Ogre]

Im starting to think cal ripken jr may have taken them

Dude

[donnie_darko]

yeah, i have no clue what those images are supposed to prove.

I have friends who've put on 40-70lbs since highschool, and they aren't anywhere near 40.

Hell, look at mike tyson...looks like he packed on 50lbs in six hours.

[cougarjake13]

I'm not saying it isn't possible, but the pictures look to me like a pretty natural progression in body type going from a twenty year old kid to a forty year old man.



yeh i couldnt find anything more substantial but like i said maybe the stuff in the 70's didnt cause drastic visual changes

[cougarjake13]

In all honesty, I'm absolutely shocked that HGH and steroids have been around as long as they have. I always thought of them as a recent development, but apparently not.

And with what we've heard and seen, nothing would shock me anymore.

If he did, though, he'd be the world's biggest hypocrite for the way he feigned disgust with Bonds breaking his record.



well they talk about roids being in the nfl in the 70's with the raiders and alzado but for some reason mlb doesnt get any notice until the bash brothers of late 80's oakland

[Knowledged_one]

Dude

as a die hard o's fan it is tough to say but that kind of longevity at least raises doubt
plus he got a game canx by himself

[cougarjake13]

i dont see ripken using steroids b/c that usually breaks the body down and can cause injury



but if anything maybe he used something to keep him playing, playing with pain, endurance type stuff

[Holes]

Terry Bradshaw recently admitted to taking steroids in the seventies when he played football. After hearing about it over the summer anything is possible.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/25350278/

[spoon]

Im starting to think cal ripken jr may have taken them

Not sure, but I do know Sean Taylor's bedroom door and femoral artery weren't on roids.

[razorboy]

but if anything maybe he used something to keep him playing, playing with pain, endurance type stuff

Nothing in the world would shock me less than finding out Cal used HGH.

[Knowledged_one]

Not sure, but I do know Sean Taylor's bedroom door and femoral artery weren't on roids.

but his saliva might have been did you see the way it flew when it hit that tb player

[sailor]

even if you don't think it's true how do you possibly vote it's not even possible?

[SP1!]

In all honesty, I'm absolutely shocked that HGH and steroids have been around as long as they have. I always thought of them as a recent development, but apparently not.

And with what we've heard and seen, nothing would shock me anymore.

If he did, though, he'd be the world's biggest hypocrite for the way he feigned disgust with Bonds breaking his record.

As far as its use in sports, its fairly recent with in the past 25 years or so. Steroids were big in bodybuilding in the late 60s and early 70s and didnt get tested for until later, back in aarons day having huge muscles was thought to be a detriment to your hitting ability. Ron Gant was the first really ripped guy I saw that could hit and Im talking ripped not just big.

When it really took off was when they synthesized pro hormones that were just mild doses of steroids to shorten length of time between injuries, eventually it was bound to come out. I am thinking caminitti was right and there were a shit load of players on the juice.

[TheMojoPin]

i dont see ripken using steroids b/c that usually breaks the body down and can cause injury

Then you're completely ignoring why a lot of basebll players, especially pitchers, use certain PED's. They're not all just to get huge...a lot of these guys take certain ones because they let you heal faster or play through pain and injuries.

[SP1!]

even if you don't think it's true how do you possibly vote it's not even possible?

I love how everyone uses semantics on this board, fucking simplistic people.

Yeah I could possibly get hit by lightning, but is it very likely? No. I could possibly win the lottery, is it likely? No.

Steroids were not rampant during that time, speed was, if anything he may have done speed but steroids is out of the question since it wasnt thought to be conducive to a hitters ability and most likely would have gotten someone cut off the team.

[TheMojoPin]

Bart never would have stood for this!

http://www.findagrave.com/photos250/photos/2006/109/3070_114556095017.jpg

[SP1!]

Then you're completely ignoring why a lot of basebll players, especially pitchers, use certain PED's. They're not all just to get huge...a lot of these guys take certain ones because they let you heal faster or play through pain and injuries.

If ripkin used then it was very mild, but yeah playing through injury is the biggest reason for use, hell people cortisone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisone)is just a steroid that is shot into people joints to numb pain for the game.

Usually this doesnt catch up to them until later, its easy to spot those that used since their joints are gone and their backs are all fucked up.

[Snoogans]

I love how everyone uses semantics on this board, fucking simplistic people.

Yeah I could possibly get hit by lightning, but is it very likely? No. I could possibly win the lottery, is it likely? No.

Steroids were not rampant during that time, speed was, if anything he may have done speed but steroids is out of the question since it wasnt thought to be conducive to a hitters ability and most likely would have gotten someone cut off the team.

except it came out that more then half his team WAS doing them at that time. That makes it way more possible

[TheMojoPin]

I love how everyone uses semantics on this board, fucking simplistic people.

Ease up there, sunshine.

Steroids were not rampant during that time, speed was, if anything he may have done speed but steroids is out of the question since it wasnt thought to be conducive to a hitters ability and most likely would have gotten someone cut off the team.

This is an incredbily limited view of what steroids could accomplish and how pervasive they were throughout the athletic world starting in the 60's. Their use by bodybuilders and Olympic athletes before harsh crackdowns are what got them noticed and desired in American pro sports. It's very debatable as to how much was used when, so declaring that steroid use was "out of the question" at any time in baseball over the last 40+ years isn't very realistic. There were a variety of PED's then, as now, that could be used by a player to improve strength conditioning without them getting ripped like in the athletes you often see today.

How would you explain Aaron's sudden surge in power at age 37, and the Brady Anderson-esque power explosion of his 2 teammates the same year Aaron suddenly stopped declining?

[Snoogans]

I love how everyone uses semantics on this board, fucking simplistic people.

Yeah I could possibly get hit by lightning, but is it very likely? No. I could possibly win the lottery, is it likely? No.

Steroids were not rampant during that time, speed was, if anything he may have done speed but steroids is out of the question since it wasnt thought to be conducive to a hitters ability and most likely would have gotten someone cut off the team.

in fact click the link and read the whole article, cause one of the coaches on those teams said at least 9 pitchers were and who knows how many hitters, and that anything they heard someone was taking they werent, they started taking it. It was very rampant in that locker room
the guy who caught 715 in hte bullpen was who said it

[SP1!]

except it came out that more then half his team WAS doing them at that time. That makes it way more possible

No what was said was a lot of pitchers were using to make up for the perceived advantage the hitters had.

Ease up there, sunshine.

This is an incredbily limited view of what steroids could accomplish and how pervasive they were throughout the athletic world starting in the 60's. Their use by bodybuilders and Olympic athletes before harsh crackdowns are what got them noticed and desired in American pro sports. It's very debatable as to how much was used when, so declaring that steroid use was "out of the question" at any time in baseball over the last 40+ years isn't very realistic. There were a variety of PED's then, as now, that could be used by a player to improve strength conditioning without them getting ripped like in the athletes you often see today.

How would you explain Aaron's sudden surge in power at age 37, and the Brady Anderson-esque power explosion of his 2 teammates the same year Aaron suddenly stopped declining?

Its not about easing up, fucking semantics that people argue is completely insane, like they are trying to bait people into admitting their whole belief structure is wrong, get over it people, none of you are Ron.

I know what you are baiting me into and the basic answer is that he was injured, that its always easy to get pitches when they are trying to pitch around other hitters or that the fact the baseball itself could have been wound tighter. In all honesty the real reason for that was probably because MLB enforced the lowering of the mound rule that they passed in '69 but most teams didnt follow because pitchers hated it for the advantage it gave hitters.

in fact click the link and read the whole article, cause one of the coaches on those teams said at least 9 pitchers were and who knows how many hitters, and that anything they heard someone was taking they werent, they started taking it. It was very rampant in that locker room
the guy who caught 715 in hte bullpen was who said it

No the guy stated that pitchers were using to try and combat the hitters sudden surge at aforementioned mound lowering, he even states that it did increase his weight but didnt help his pitching which was the prevalent thinking during that time, that it would build weight but hamper being able to get around on the pitch. Speed on the other hand, I would believe that was given out like pez in the locker room, you have guys out partying then coming in half hung over and the team wanted to give them a little pep. So thats very easy to believe.

[cougarjake13]

Then you're completely ignoring why a lot of basebll players, especially pitchers, use certain PED's. They're not all just to get huge...a lot of these guys take certain ones because they let you heal faster or play through pain and injuries.

well then you can blame my ignorance on the subject


i just assumed all steroids were muscle builders


and then theres a second class of enhancers or endurers that dont have the name steroids attached to it

[TheMojoPin]

I know what you are baiting me into and the basic answer is that he was injured, that its always easy to get pitches when they are trying to pitch around other hitters or that the fact the baseball itself could have been wound tighter. In all honesty the real reason for that was probably because MLB enforced the lowering of the mound rule that they passed in '69 but most teams didnt follow because pitchers hated it for the advantage it gave hitters.

Can you back this up? What teams were getting away with still using a 15 inch mound 2-3 years after the fact?

[Knowledged_one]

What the hell does none of us are ron mean?

[sailor]

it's not semantics, it's simple reading comprehension. the question was not do you think aaron juiced but do you think it's possible. for whatever reason, that's the question mojo asked. think of this as a grand jury, not a trial. much lower standard of proof is needed here.

[TheMojoPin]

for whatever reason, that's the question mojo asked. think of this as a grand jury, not a trial.

I wanted to see who thought there was no chance he used steroids.

[SP1!]

Can you back this up? What teams were getting away with still using a 15 inch mound 2-3 years after the fact?
I will research it more but from what I read in the past was that teams kept it higher with their rationale being that it would wear down as the game wore on, MLB came in and said it had to be 15" at the start of the game. I think the lowering of the mounds did more for power than any steroid ever did.

What the hell does none of us are ron mean?
All the smart ass double talk, people think they are setting up some rube into contradicting themselves, I invented that shit, you cant bull shit a bullshitter.

it's not semantics, it's simple reading comprehension. the question was not do you think aaron juiced but do you think it's possible. for whatever reason, that's the question mojo asked. think of this as a grand jury, not a trial. much lower standard of proof is needed here.
In a grand jury trial that kind of question would have been thrown out as speculation, next hypothetical situation please........

How about, if bigfoot and the abominable snowman got in a fight who do you think would win? GO.

[SP1!]

I wanted to see who thought there was no chance he used steroids.
Its the phrasing that is questionable, of course the younger people will think this, they didnt grow up playing ball with coaches telling you to stay lean and not to gain too much muscle because it will fuck up you swing.

Aaron might have used speed but with out a positive test, like bonds has, there is no way you can say he did.

[Knowledged_one]

Hoo hoo i invented double talk tell em fred.
and what was the double talk it seems pretty straightforward, you are the one throwing out baseless claims about pitchers mounds

[SP1!]

Hoo hoo i invented double talk tell em fred.
and what was the double talk it seems pretty straightforward, you are the one throwing out baseless claims about pitchers mounds

Actually it was lowered 10" to increase offense (http://www.pinstripealley.com/2008/1/9/1672/82839) The conspiracy part by owners to stop from lowering it will take more digging but I have read articles in these things called books that were in libraries, not sure if they are online yet. Dont think that wont stop me from looking though, I have to always be right, yeah I know its annoying. But I do have a great memory.

[Knowledged_one]

Well i just did a quick search and most of what i have seen is prior to going to 10 inches most teams were above the 15 inch limit so yeah baseless claims are what you are throwing out

[TheMojoPin]

Its the phrasing that is questionable, of course the younger people will think this, they didnt grow up playing ball with coaches telling you to stay lean and not to gain too much muscle because it will fuck up you swing.

And again, you can use steroids to build up muscle and strength without getting huge.

[JimBeam]

i dont see ripken using steroids b/c that usually breaks the body down and can cause injury

But wouldn't this logic give credence to Bonds' argument that he didn't use steroids.

He wasn't ever really hurt until he was actual an old man by baseball standards.

I voted yes because even if Aaron didn't use steroids it's quite possible he used something that was illegal or underhanded back then.

The modern era is being scrutinized much more closely because advancements in technology allows for it.

I'd love to go back to the " Fat Old White Guy Era " and see if they were all as clean as we're lead to believe.

[Marc with a c]

i read somewhere he invented them.

[ThisGuyIsIvan]

even with any 'roids or p.e.d's a-rod couldn't get it done when it mattered

[TheMojoPin]

Actually it was lowered 10" to increase offense (http://www.pinstripealley.com/2008/1/9/1672/82839) The conspiracy part by owners to stop from lowering it will take more digging but I have read articles in these things called books that were in libraries, not sure if they are online yet. Dont think that wont stop me from looking though, I have to always be right, yeah I know its annoying. But I do have a great memory.

But to say that teams were still using the 15 inch mounds years after the fact seems like a pretty big stretch.

Nobody is going to dispute that lowering the mounds leads to power increase...the same thing happened in the 50's...but it's pretty suspect that Aaron's power numbers EXPLODED suddenly like they did a few years AFTER the lowering of the mounds and when he was 37 plus 2 other guys on his team had sudden career power surges as well.

[Lividspiral]

i hope aaron cheated too. its crazy to think anyone can hit 700 home runs straight at this point. bonds wouldve been in the 500's so roids potentially adds over 250 hrs to your talley. i wish i knew about roids when i was a budding HS baseball star. i wouldve used them for sure

[Contra]

"How about, if bigfoot and the abominable snowman got in a fight who do you think would win? GO"


Stop trying to be Ron

[SP1!]

Selig is open to the idea with more evidence. (http://www.ajc.com/braves/content/sports/braves/stories/2009/02/12/hank_aaron_selig.html)

I would be all for this if there was definitive proof that bonds was using, right now its strong circumstantial evidence but if it was 100% proven then fuck him, let him rot outside the HOF.

[OGC]

He always has been in my book. At least since he hit number 715.

[Tallman388]

Bud should also be open to giving back most of that $17 Million he collected from MLB last year.

[foodcourtdruide]

Player's throughout baseball's history have had unfair advantages, both illegal and legal. I think it's just part of the game. Everytime something controversial or unsavory comes up, I don't think it would be wise to rewrite record books. I say suck it up and move on. If you don't want to allow someone who tested positive into the hall of fame, then whatever, but rewriting history is pretty far-fetched.

[Gvac]

Aaron was a juicer too.

They're all frauds!

[SP1!]

They already have rewrote history books, just ask Maris.

Also amphetamines are not even in the same category as steroids, when you take speed it may let you wake up but you are not performing at that high of a level if you take them a lot.

[foodcourtdruide]

They already have rewrote history books, just ask Maris.

Also amphetamines are not even in the same category as steroids, when you take speed it may let you wake up but you are not performing at that high of a level if you take them a lot.

That is such a general statement. How do you even begin to quantify something like that?

Also, Maris was ONE player. Imagine if they had to rewrite history for Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, Tejada, A-Rod, etc. etc. etc.

[SP1!]

Aaron was a juicer too.

They're all frauds!

Well bonds has 3 positive(allegedly) tests that said he juiced, there is zero evidence that says aaron used anything, hell most of the guys thought aaron was a nerd when he played because he wouldnt do anything.

[Liverspot]

Aaron was a juicer too.


There are those that have pursued this train of thought (http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/02/hammerin_hank_a.html)

[SP1!]

There are those that have pursued this train of thought (http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/02/hammerin_hank_a.html)

Yes everyone has seen shit written about how pitchers used to recover but they were never thought to provide any benefits, the fact remains that chemistry has gotten a lot better in the 80s with the east german *women* and the sports market. Also they were thought to hamper power hitters and the only thing they wanted power hitters to have were quick wrists.

Most of those people are just bonds apologists.

[TheMojoPin]

You're an Aaron apologist.

Fuck Bud Selig.

[cougarjake13]

Selig is open to the idea with more evidence. (http://www.ajc.com/braves/content/sports/braves/stories/2009/02/12/hank_aaron_selig.html)

I would be all for this if there was definitive proof that bonds was using, right now its strong circumstantial evidence but if it was 100% proven then fuck him, let him rot outside the HOF.

ok but what if the picthers who threw the ball were juicing, then what ??

[SP1!]

Well bonds has 3 positive(allegedly) tests that said he juiced, there is zero evidence that says aaron used anything, hell most of the guys thought aaron was a nerd when he played because he wouldnt do anything.

I fully expect them to rewrite most of them and to at least notate the era in which they played.

You're an Aaron apologist.

Fuck Bud Selig.
No, I just support someone who doesnt have 3 positive tests for steroids.

ok but what if the picthers who threw the ball were juicing, then what ??
Its already proven that pitchers admitted to steroid use to recover during aarons days, so he deserves more credit.

[TheMojoPin]

No, I just support someone who doesnt have 3 positive tests for steroids.

This debate doesn't just hinge on Bonds. It's referring to the larger attitude of suspicion that people think should only be levelled at the 90's and this decade. If they're going to be wary of numbers due to steroids, then it's very possible that that suspicion could go back to the 60's.

[sailor]

They already have rewrote history books, just ask Maris.

Also amphetamines are not even in the same category as steroids, when you take speed it may let you wake up but you are not performing at that high of a level if you take them a lot.

ask maris about an imaginary asterisk?

[SP1!]

This debate doesn't just hinge on Bonds. It's referring to the larger attitude of suspicion that people think should only be levelled at the 90's and this decade. If they're going to be wary of numbers due to steroids, then it's very possible that that suspicion could go back to the 60's.
That is only suspicion though and none of the players have come out and said anything like that, do you not think that if he did use there would be some old player some where in need of money to come out and say he used? That is why its bullshit and only suspicion, especially since any old baseball guy can tell you that bulk was thought to hamper a swing.

ask maris about an imaginary asterisk?
Well of course you cant now, but dont act like they havent used the "in the best interest of the game" clause plenty of times before.

[SP1!]

Its looking pretty obvious that his career is done even if they do file a collusion lawsuit against MLB.

They have a very strong case against him (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3906484) and murderers have been sent to jail for less.

[TheMojoPin]

That is only suspicion though and none of the players have come out and said anything like that, do you not think that if he did use there would be some old player some where in need of money to come out and say he used? That is why its bullshit and only suspicion, especially since any old baseball guy can tell you that bulk was thought to hamper a swing.

How many times can I explain that steroids and PED's can be used to build strength and/or avoid injury WITHOUT building signiicant bulk? It's not like they automatically turn you into the Hulk. Guys like Bonds et al had to go on insane training routines to get as huge as they did while using PED's. Someone like Aaron could have easily used and stayed around his same size or even virtually the same and still gotten significantly stronger and avoided or been able to play through injury.

And you say "it's only suspicion," but that's what it is for the overwhelming majority of players in the so-called "Steroid Era." Whether you like it or not, very few players have been caught at the time or even after the fact. This is mostly about suspicion, and for some, a 37-year-old player suddenly having multiple career power years (in addition to two teammates suddenly having power explosions the same year on a team where there's talk people were using) is INCREDIBLY suspect.

And shit, I'm not even attacking Aaron. Like I care if he used...he's still an amazing hitter like Bonds and still did something incredible. STEROIDS RULE.

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