Jon Gruden... SCUMBAG

[spadanko]

In a Tuesday interview with Sirius NFL Radio, former Buccaneers defensive end Simeon Rice told Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan of Movin’ The Chains that Rice believes former Bucs coach Jon Gruden is a “scumbag.”

“You get what you deserve,” Rice said. “That’s what Jon said. He got it now. Everybody gets what they deserve. . . .

“You look at what he did when Chris [Simms] damn near died on the field he wanted to release him right when he got injured. I get hurt, my shoulder’s torn off the bone. This dude releases me. You know what I mean? I’m your guy. The list goes on. Keenan McCardell, that situation was a debacle. Keyshawn Johnson, another situation [that] was a debacle. Joey Galloway, which was his man, was in the dog house all year because he got injured, broke his ankle or whatever. Brad Johnson, that situation was bad. Brings Jeff Garcia in here,
oh, he’s going to change things. I helped recruit him [and he] released me, kept Jeff and then put him in the dog house. Gets rid of Brian Greise, brings him, starts a controversy. It was chaotic. I’m giving you facts.”

And then Rice gave opinions.

“How I feel personally? I could tell you that, too. I think he’s a scumbag,” Rice said. “I think he’s a scumbag personally. That’s when he’s telling you one thing and… You know what he told me? ‘Simeon you’ll be here in the next five years.’ I got injured [and] this man’s never said one word to me. I won a Super Bowl for you. I got 13 sacks, 12, 15 every year for you. I balled. I got injured [and] you let me go like it was nothing.”

[hammersavage]

I think he is destined to be a college coach. You can't deal with professional athletes like that. He would be better served around college kids.

[razorboy]

Known it for years. Best of luck, Chucktwat, you sociopathic prick.

[Banky]

I have to agree, I heard horror stories about this douche a while back. I mean, you don't Coach the Raiders unless you're a dick.

[FezsAssistant]

I agree. He should have kept around as many seriously injured players as possible.

[razorboy]

I agree. He should have kept around as many seriously injured players as possible.

You have absolutely no idea what you speak of. This man (and that term is used loosely) is a nightmare as a coach and a leader. Good luck to whoevever picks this franchise wrecker (and more than likely his lapdog "GM" Bruce Allen) up.

[Snoogans]

Good for Rice. Call that fuck out for shit like that.

[west milly Tom]

What a cry baby. Its the fucking pros, and Gruden is a winner. Get over yourself pussy.

[Snoogans]

What a cry baby. Its the fucking pros, and Gruden is a winner. Get over yourself pussy.

That doesnt even make sense. Regardless of where you are, if your boss fuckin bullshitted you, you would think he is a scumbag.

[Snoogans]

And Gruden is not a winner. he won with dungy's team and sucked ass ever since

[west milly Tom]

So, he should coddle hurt players because of what they contributed when they were well? That makes a lot of sense. When I got injured at work I didn't get one phone call from my boss. I didn't think he was a scumbag, just that he had other shit going on.

[underdog]

That doesnt even make sense. Regardless of where you are, if your boss fuckin bullshitted you, you would think he is a scumbag.

Dude, in his shop, no one talks to him like that.

[west milly Tom]

Dude, in his shop, no one talks to him like that.


Good call back. Offer still stands.

Gruden's overall record: 100-81-0

That's a winning record.

[Snoogans]

So, he should coddle hurt players because of what they contributed when they were well? That makes a lot of sense. When I got injured at work I didn't get one phone call from my boss. I didn't think he was a scumbag, just that he had other shit going on.

Yea he also didnt fire you for it

[hammersavage]

I think Simeon's beef should be with the NFL as a whole who treat the workers who make the league billions of $$ like meat when they are no longer of use for them. You can be out of the league in no time.

Rice may have thought Gruden was a scumbag personally but the reason he gave is a microcosm of why the NFL stinks.

[SP1!]

And Gruden is not a winner. he won with dungy's team and sucked ass ever since

Yeah but dungy couldnt win it all with his players, also gruden built oakland into a winning team which is almost impossible so he is a winner.

I think he felt that some players quit on him, there is a distinct difference between dungys style and grudens style, one is an over bearing boss and the other is a soft spoken leader. They were used to being spoken to differently and didnt like him at all, I knew him leaving oakland was a mistake on his part because its what he built and he had the love of the players if not the owner.

[Snoogans]

Yeah but dungy couldnt win it all with his players, also gruden built oakland into a winning team which is almost impossible so he is a winner.

I think he felt that some players quit on him, there is a distinct difference between dungys style and grudens style, one is an over bearing boss and the other is a soft spoken leader. They were used to being spoken to differently and didnt like him at all, I knew him leaving oakland was a mistake on his part because its what he built and he had the love of the players if not the owner.

Fair point. The tough guys usually wear on a team quick too.

[hammersavage]

It is a good point. Take Parcells for example. His greatest success was when he built a winner (Giants, Pats). When he was brought into Dallas they already had a core in place and Jones sticks his nose into the decision making. Which led to the immortal 'If you want me to make the dinner, let me buy the groceries' line.

Thats why I think Gruden would be great in college. Anyone he recruits will know what they are getting in to and would probably buy into it way more than a professional.

[SP1!]

Thats why I think Gruden would be great in college. Anyone he recruits will know what they are getting in to and would probably buy into it way more than a professional.

Its usually that the pros are spoiled little bitches and grudens style needs more of a hungry player.

[Snoogans]

Thats why I think Gruden would be great in college. Anyone he recruits will know what they are getting in to and would probably buy into it way more than a professional.

I agree. I think same with Lane Kiffin. he seemed to also kind of be a dick. Pros cant deal with that shit, especially from such a young coach

[hammersavage]

Its usually that the pros are spoiled little bitches and grudens style needs more of a hungry player.

Right. I think his anger bullshit would have some 20 year old kid want to run thru a wall for him if he's at the right school.

[Knowledged_one]

Nnt to mention this one sided and coming out of the mouth of a guy with an axe to grind to me rice is the douche

[Al Davis]

I fucking love this coach. You don't take bullshit from players. Those pussies will use any excuse to get out of a game. "Coach, it's hot." "Coach, my hamstring's tightening up." "Coach, I can't feel anything below my neck or move my arms." Fuck you, I pay your ass to pay, not bitch. Get the fuck in the game.

This guy's the coach I need for these fags I have on my team now. What the fuck kind of shit franchise would fire a guy like this? I don't know what the fuck has happened to this league. It used to be the National Football League, now it's the National Faggot League.

[Snoogans]

I fucking love this coach. You don't take bullshit from players. Those pussies will use any excuse to get out of a game. "Coach, it's hot." "Coach, my hamstring's tightening up." "Coach, I can't feel anything below my neck or move my arms." Fuck you, I pay your ass to pay, not bitch. Get the fuck in the game.

This guy's the coach I need for these fags I have on my team now. What the fuck kind of shit franchise would fire a guy like this? I don't know what the fuck has happened to this league. It used to be the National Football League, now it's the National Faggot League.

umm, this is the coach that left your team to go to Tampa and beat you in the Super Bowl

[Knowledged_one]

He was traded to tampa that al davis is sharp

[cougarjake13]

Nnt to mention this one sided and coming out of the mouth of a guy with an axe to grind to me rice is the douche

if it was only one guy yeh




its been mccardell, keyshawn, sapp, lynch, galloway, garcia, alstott, simms, greise, brad johnson, how many more you want ???

[underdog]

if it was only one guy yeh




its been mccardell, keyshawn, sapp, lynch, galloway, garcia, alstott, simms, greise, brad johnson, how many more you want ???

Sapp actually credited Gruden for being the guy that made them win the Super Bowl. He didn't really have "bad" things to say about Gruden, other than "he might not work on some players".

[cougarjake13]

Sapp actually credited Gruden for being the guy that made them win the Super Bowl. He didn't really have "bad" things to say about Gruden, other than "he might not work on some players".


yeh thats what he said today on PTI


but when he first left for oaklnad he was singing a different tune

[razorboy]

Thats why I think Gruden would be great in college. Anyone he recruits will know what they are getting in to and would probably buy into it way more than a professional.

Because Gruden has proven soooooo adept at developing young talent. Oh wait, the exact opposite of that.

[PigShitIrish]

I'm amazed that Mr. Gruden himself hasn't responded to this thread yet. Is this a board character record?

[Knowledged_one]

Gruden is majikal