2011 NASCAR Discussion

[Tenbatsuzen]

So, we begin this anew. And a lot has changed in three months.

It's going to be a tough year. With as sponsor-driven as NASCAR is, a lot of teams have suffered and been forced to merge or change hands.

We'll start with the big change - He's now #14 on his car but #1 in your heart, Tony Stewart now has his own team, sponsored by Office Depot and Old Spice. He's teaming up with Ryan Newman. The #14 is for AJ Foyt. Cars will be provided by.. Hendrick Motorsports.

Smoke's crew chief is Darien Grubb. You may remember Darien as Chad Knaus' second-in-command who took over for Chad on his numerous suspensions.

The other big change is Mark Martin coming to HMS, ostensibly to be Dale Jr's tag-team partner and help level the social classes at HMS. Mark will run a full-time schedule and then they'll see for 2010.

The Captain of the Titanic is Martin Truex Jr. Martin is now on the disaster known as Earnhardt Ganassi Racing. His teammates are Juan Pablo Montoya (now in the Target car) and Aric Amirola. EGR is only running 3 teams this year.

Some other changes:

Menard goes from DEI to Yates
Scott Speed comes on board with Red Bull Racing
AJ Allmendinger from Red Bull to Richard Petty Motorsports
Casey Mears goes to RCR
Brad Kesolowski is running a part time schedule to get his feet wet.

(Since Truex is going to be the most courted Free Agent on this class, I'm not sure where the hell they are going to go with everyone having to reduce to 4 teams after this year. I'm thinking with the Economy, France may allow the teams to keep running 5)


Oh yeah. And some kid named Logano is in the #20.

The most notable drivers without a ride are Kyle Petty (who should just go and do TV.. he's so much better than most of the guys they have now), Dave Blaney, David Gilliland, and JJ Yeley.

Out of all of them, surprised Gilliland doesn't have a ride, but this just happened recently.

Also, in "cool news" - Kirk Shelmerdine bought some Toyotas from Bill Davis and is attempting to run a full schedule. GO KIRK!

[denko]

truex will be back in the camping world east (formerly busch north) series with his DEI alumni steve park.

stewart has a tough road ahead of him, and i'm nervous now with him being an owner he has nobody to tell him to keep his mouth shut. should be fun to watch.

[disneyspy]

i'm hopin kevin harvick and rcr kickass this year

[denko]

jeff burton is the one to watch out of the RCR garage. its his year to dominate. he has been the the highest ranking childress driver going into the chase the last two seasons and made the chase 3 of his 4 seasons there.

[AngelAmy]

4 in a row

4 in a row

:clap:

[Tenbatsuzen]

stewart has a tough road ahead of him, and i'm nervous now with him being an owner he has nobody to tell him to keep his mouth shut. should be fun to watch.

Um...

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/nascar/news/features/nascar.executives/Mike.Helton.jpg

[denko]

by then its too late.

[edit] look at the way nascar treats robby gordon, you think stewart is gonna get cut "one ounce of slack"?

[Snoogans]

Its the year of the Boris:

http://alanduke.com/saidhead.jpg

[cougarjake13]

i'll be rooting for tony this year

[Freitag]

Bud Shootout this weekend! Whooooooo!!!

Saturday night on FOX!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I've been exposed to Scott Speed for only 20 seconds and already he's moving into dangerous Kyle Busch territory. He was mocking the singing of the national anthem...

[santino]

i'm not a fan , but my wife says Tony Stewart's going all the way!

[Tenbatsuzen]

"Hell, that didn't take long."

DW rules.

[Tenbatsuzen]

it's...

THE RETURN OF CRASHY MCCRASHERTON!

[ScottFromGA]

guess that Titanic EGR isn't sinking just yet....


Martin's a plenty on the pole and outside pole!

[cougarjake13]

guess that Titanic EGR isn't sinking just yet....


Martin's a plenty on the pole and outside pole!

mark martin truex ??

[ScottFromGA]

yes....exactly.

[cougarjake13]

well isnt that special

[Tenbatsuzen]

It's Daytona. Pole really doesn't mean jack.

[ScottFromGA]

Daytona pole locks you into the race and assures you that no matter what, your gonna start 1st or 2nd.


its really the only POLE that matters in NASCAR anymore.......

[Freitag]

Daytona pole locks you into the race and assures you that no matter what, your gonna start 1st or 2nd.


its really the only POLE that matters in NASCAR anymore.......

Wait, what?

Top 35 from last year have a guaranteed spot in Daytona. Then 8 more spots determined, 7 with the champ's provisional, which would go to Smoke first, Labonte 2nd, then Bill Elliott.

To reiterate - it's Daytona. With the draft and the Big One, it absolutely does not matter where you start. The shootout had about 15 lead changes? And that was a 75 lap race. The 500 is 3x longer, with 15 more cars involved.

The pole would mean something if one of the guys who didn't have a spot, like a Kirk Shelmerdine or Geoffrey Bodine got it. And even then, it's just getting them into the race, nothing more.

Poles that matter are at Bristol and other short tracks where you can get lapped in about 2 minutes. Not Daytona, where you can go from 25th to 2nd and back to 30th within a matter of 2 laps.

[Jughead]

Wait, what?

Top 35 from last year have a guaranteed spot in Daytona. Then 8 more spots determined, 7 with the champ's provisional, which would go to Smoke first, Labonte 2nd, then Bill Elliott.

To reiterate - it's Daytona. With the draft and the Big One, it absolutely does not matter where you start. The shootout had about 15 lead changes? And that was a 75 lap race. The 500 is 3x longer, with 15 more cars involved.

The pole would mean something if one of the guys who didn't have a spot, like a Kirk Shelmerdine or Geoffrey Bodine got it. And even then, it's just getting them into the race, nothing more.

Poles that matter are at Bristol and other short tracks where you can get lapped in about 2 minutes. Not Daytona, where you can go from 25th to 2nd and back to 30th within a matter of 2 laps.

Right.....Plus Kevin Won being out of the lead draft twice in the shoot out

[disneyspy]

forgot to post this...HARVICK BITCHES!!!!

[cougarjake13]

harvicks my dark horse pick for the championship this year

[ScottFromGA]

Wait, what?

Top 35 from last year have a guaranteed spot in Daytona. Then 8 more spots determined, 7 with the champ's provisional, which would go to Smoke first, Labonte 2nd, then Bill Elliott.

To reiterate - it's Daytona. With the draft and the Big One, it absolutely does not matter where you start. The shootout had about 15 lead changes? And that was a 75 lap race. The 500 is 3x longer, with 15 more cars involved.

The pole would mean something if one of the guys who didn't have a spot, like a Kirk Shelmerdine or Geoffrey Bodine got it. And even then, it's just getting them into the race, nothing more.

Poles that matter are at Bristol and other short tracks where you can get lapped in about 2 minutes. Not Daytona, where you can go from 25th to 2nd and back to 30th within a matter of 2 laps.

you missed my point a little there.....

everything at Daytona is bigger than the rest of the year, Its the first race of the year, you want to win everything you can to say look at what we did over the off season to come out looking strong! Anyone locked or not locked into the top 35 position can change after the Duels if they aren't locked into the front row. Much like Bill Elliott, he qualified 5th last Sunday and yesterday his transmission locked up resulting in a DNF in his Duel race throwing him back to 42nd or something starting spot. Others had the same fate, unlike Truex and Martin...they still are going to be starting on the front row, away from that hornets nest. I know they can be passed easily, but they don't have to pass when they are already up front.

So yes, it is a big deal to be on the front row or the pole at Daytona for the 500. All other qualifying session are now devalued by the new format of the Bud Shootout. Qualifying basically just helps you pick a great pit selection if you set the pole.

[cougarjake13]

how many daytona 500 winners have gone on to win the cup ??


ahh found it

double j in 06




How many times has the Daytona 500 winner gone on to win the championship in the same year?
Lee Petty - 1959
Richard Petty - 1964, 1971, 1974, 1979
Cale Yarborough - 1977
Jeff Gordon - 1997
Jimmie Johnson - 2006

[Tenbatsuzen]

Just put a 14 on the back of my truck.

[Snoogans]

http://www.oaklandfantasyracing.com/

everyone join that. Its $25 for the year. Have to pay by start of 5th race or can pay right away.

[denko]

i'm thinking there will be a lot of wrecked cars today and the obligatory 50 minute red flag. the way they were sliding and bouncing around on thursday its going to be hard for them not to wreck when they go three wide on lap 3.

i want stewart to win this thing, and starting in a back-up car, forfeiting his 6th place starting spot, it will be fun to watch him come up through the feild. he'll crack the top ten in 15 laps.

[disneyspy]

i love the 500 on tv,its a nightmare leavin that place after a race,that said,go harvick,beat all the homos that race for hendrick,he does have the quite the gay stable of racers

[denko]

i love the 500 on tv,its a nightmare leavin that place after a race,that said,go harvick,beat all the homos that race for hendrick,he does have the quite the gay stable of racers


come on, the twinkfest over at gibbs its way worse, busch, logano, hamlin. joe gibbs is the lou pearlman of nascar now. i'm waiting for logano to come out and be the first openly gay driver in nascar.

[Tenbatsuzen]

come on, the twinkfest over at gibbs its way worse, busch, logano, hamlin. joe gibbs is the lou pearlman of nascar now. i'm waiting for logano to come out and be the first openly gay driver in nascar.

again... I can't see anything that indicates Logano is gay. He's just a kid.

Look what I found:

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/draft/dw.jpg

[denko]

look at the egg shell they called helmets back then. amazing...

[Tenbatsuzen]

look at the egg shell they called helmets back then. amazing...

I think DW's hair was his natural HANS device.


That being said, Fox just reported that rain washed away all the rubber laid on the track. This is going to be a clusterfuck.

[denko]

i couldn't believe how rough the cars looked like they were riding on thursday, now a "green" racetrack will certainly make for an interesting day.

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, wait for the Tony Stewart Swagger commercial. RULES ALL.

[denko]

the one where he's at the bottom of the escalator? that one had me rolling.

[Tenbatsuzen]

i couldn't believe how rough the cars looked like they were riding on thursday, now a "green" racetrack will certainly make for an interesting day.

I'm wondering how long Logano and/or Speed will last in these conditions. Hell, I'm wondering how long Kyle will last in this shit.



My joke of the day:

My wife told me she wanted a Digger. I started to explain to her about the 13th Amendment before I realized I mis-heard her.

[Tenbatsuzen]

the one where he's at the bottom of the escalator? that one had me rolling.

I'm not sure what the best part of that ad is. Young Tony, the fist to the hood, or the chicks at the end.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Holy Shit...

Chris Myers just asked Keith Urban, a guy who's been in rehab as recently as last year for cocaine as his opening question:

"So, do you like speed?"

[Tenbatsuzen]

so Digger has a whole family. I'm not sure what to make of this.

And Keith Urban and Tom Cruise are at the same venue together. UNCOMFORTABLE

[disneyspy]

so Digger has a whole family. I'm not sure what to make of this.



white people

why does chris meyer still have a job?

[tileslinger]

Is anyone else having audio problems? I think the same thing happened before the Shoot out.

[Tenbatsuzen]

white people

why does chris meyer still have a job?

Chris Myers is a decent guy. There's a lot of other sportscasters who should be out of work before him. But since ESPN likes affirmative action on all of it's properties, Joe Morgan will never leave.

[disneyspy]

FOX is fine here in bfnm,the only audio problems i'm havin is kieth urban is singin

[Tenbatsuzen]

Is anyone else having audio problems? I think the same thing happened before the Shoot out.

No, I'm actually OK right now. I did have issues on the shootout, but I flipped to standard def and it was OK.


Looks like some rain is coming down....

[tileslinger]

They better start this thing.

http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USFL0106_f.html

They (Fox) will never be straight up about the weather.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Uh... is that an official Dayton deal? Something tells me Ford wouldn't be too happy with Carl being shown in a 'Vette.

[Farmer Dave]

Holy fuck I hate all this pre-race bullshit. It's as bad as the superbowl. Enough already.

[disneyspy]

i dont know if they have the same deal but those cars used to come from a local dealership that would brag about being the official dealership of the daytona 500,after the buick open(golf)up here the cars they use go on the market as slightly used buick open cars,its a little more to buy tigers car than say jeff ogilvys

[Snoogans]

Jamie McMurray is gonna take it down today

[brettmojo]

Holy fuck I hate all this pre-race bullshit. It's as bad as the superbowl. Enough already.
Agreed.

If the weather is as bad as they said they'll probably be less racing than bullshit today.

[razorboy]

Ugh, I forgot about the fucking gopher. What is it with Fox and their queer side panel sports mascots?

[brettmojo]

Ugh, I forgot about the fucking gopher. What is it with Fox and their queer side panel sports mascots?
They're probably gonna' sell it as a toy.

[cougarjake13]

already is one




http://nascar.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p4725922dt.jpg

[disneyspy]

holy crap 3 good NASCAR themed commercials in a row

[cougarjake13]

holy crap 3 good NASCAR themed commercials in a row

isnt that one of the signs of the apopcolypse

[disneyspy]

isnt that one of the signs of the apopcolypse

i thought dick trickle winnin a race was

[cougarjake13]

i thought dick trickle winnin a race was

that was the 1st sign

[disneyspy]

clean up aisle 8
ha they just called him "good kid,good family"

[Tenbatsuzen]

Loganowned.

[disneyspy]

i dont need to ask'its cuz they used the dirt to make the banks

[disneyspy]

i love it when a bitch brother wrecks:clap:

[razorboy]

Junior is such a fucking douchebag. Smooth move, fuckface.

[cougarjake13]

Junior is such a fucking douchebag. Smooth move, fuckface.

i blame that on vickers


jr got the great push and there was no way vickers shoulda made the move to block

its not like vickers got in front of the leaders and back on the lead lap and was defending his position

[disneyspy]

harvick shows why he led the circuit in wrecks avoided last year,what a driver!

[ScottFromGA]

i blame that on vickers


jr got the great push and there was no way vickers shoulda made the move to block

its not like vickers got in front of the leaders and back on the lead lap and was defending his position


but Jr turned right....Vickers was not in the wrong for defending his position....


Wonder how Jason Leffler feels about racing in NASCAR now......

[PapaBear]

Lately, I've been thinking about whether or not I still like NASCAR. When Dale Sr. was still around, not only did I like him, but I liked the sport. If he wasn't doing well, I still enjoyed the races. Since then, I've found that, if Dale Jr. is out of the running, I really lose interest. That got me to realize that I don't really like the sport itself. I watched bits and pieces of the 500 today. I haven't missed it in over 15 years. Seeing Jr. continue to dig himself into a hole, I just turned it off. I, PapaBear, am officially done with NASCAR. It was a nice ride, while it lasted.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm in different about the whole Dale Jr. thing.

Kyle actually said it best... Dale was having a bad day and then made his bad day everyone else's bad day.

He was doing a shitload of awful stuff today. It's inexcusable to miss your pits TWICE.

Michael Waltrip seems to do well at Daytona in the rain.

[PapaBear]

One more thing... Part of what has ruined NASCAR for me is the coverage. I hate the announcers, and I hate the way the whole coverage panders to juvenile redneck idiots.

[Tenbatsuzen]

One more thing... Part of what has ruined NASCAR for me is the coverage. I hate the announcers, and I hate the way the whole coverage panders to juvenile redneck idiots.

Alot of people flipped out on the Digger overload today. I'm kind of in agreement. Fox went WAY overboard on that shit

[led37zep]

One more thing... Part of what has ruined NASCAR for me is the coverage. I hate the announcers, and I hate the way the whole coverage panders to juvenile redneck idiots.

Today was the first time I've ever listened to a race on the radio and I was surprised how much I enjoyed it. The interviews, the descriptions, and the play by play just worked for me...maybe thats what you need P-Bear.

[ScottFromGA]

I started doing that years ago. I keep telling my Dad, (whose been a NASCAR fan for over 30 years but is hating the sport now), that he should turn the radio on and watch the race on TV cause it actually makes it so much better.

they just describe the race so much better...


on a side note, it is funny how the people in the South hate the fact that NASCAR and television is catering to the "Newer" NASCAR fans out West and up North, but the North hates the fact that the FOX commentators cater to the Southern idiot rednecks.....

I just wish it was still like 2001 with the coverage.....it seemed so fresh and exciting each week....i miss that.

[denko]

my issue with the coverage is they have to eplain everything every week like we don't know what drafting is, WE KNOW! i fucking hate DW too.

whether dale jr did it intentionally or not he should have sat like leffler did, no question about it. i can't stand the inconsistency and the fact NA$CAR makes up the rules as they go and feel the need to make all these changes in the off season to "save the teams money". how does it save them money if they have to replace half their stuff rendering all the testing they have done useless?

and bring in another fucking tire manufacturer for christ sake, whay do they STILL suck goodyear's cocke every season. i think having a choice between tire manufacurers could be great for the sport.

[razorboy]

i blame that on vickers


jr got the great push and there was no way vickers shoulda made the move to block

its not like vickers got in front of the leaders and back on the lead lap and was defending his position

Seriously? You fuck up on pit road twice, you're a lap down and you try to get position below the yellow line? This is squarely on prince douchebag's shoulders, not that he will ever own up to anything.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Here's a question for you fans...

If Congress told the Big Three and NASCAR that in order to keep their bailout money, they had to use actual "stock" cars, like Joe Lunchpail could buy at the dealership, would that be appealing to you?

[disneyspy]

Here's a question for you fans...

If Congress told the Big Three and NASCAR that in order to keep their bailout money, they had to use actual "stock" cars, like Joe Lunchpail could buy at the dealership, would that be appealing to you?

not really,my car has a top speed of 95,i not gonna watch somethin i can see on I-75 at 5pm on a weekday

[brettmojo]

Seriously? You fuck up on pit road twice, you're a lap down and you try to get position below the yellow line? This is squarely on prince douchebag's shoulders, not that he will ever own up to anything.
Earlier in the race when Bush was out front he kept fighting off the high line and the low line by switching back and forth. He did it before either one of them got a run going. Vickers tried to block Jr. after he had a run on him and was coming along side of him. Vickers pushed Jr. down to the yellow line and would have pushed him onto the grass. If Jr. brakes there he's getting spun out. Fuck Vickers and fuck Bush for crying once again when he becomes collateral damage in a crash the likes of which he has caused himself on numerous occasions.

Kudos to Jr. for taking a page out of Sr.'s book for once and not backing down. But fuck Jr. and his team for fucking up on pit road. TWICE! Where was the pit cheif on that one? He's supposed to be on the radio counting down the pit spots to theirs. I can see Jr. missing the sign but that's why the cheif is supposed to be backing him up.

[ScottFromGA]

Here's a question for you fans...

If Congress told the Big Three and NASCAR that in order to keep their bailout money, they had to use actual "stock" cars, like Joe Lunchpail could buy at the dealership, would that be appealing to you?

yea cause I grew in the period where they were basically using stock parts, just fabricated doors and fenders. I've been a fan before the National movement started....Nascar came from the South, so it's basically bred into me....sad as that sounds.


just as long as the manufacters have a say so in how the bodies are made and NASCRAP doesn't step in to "Level the playing field", I'm all up for it.....let the MAKES make your competition...Not NASCAR.



now if your talking about they just knock the glass out of a normal production car, put a rollcage and fuel cell in it and go racing, then no....thats demo derby, not NASCAR.

[denko]

Here's a question for you fans...

If Congress told the Big Three and NASCAR that in order to keep their bailout money, they had to use actual "stock" cars, like Joe Lunchpail could buy at the dealership, would that be appealing to you?

not in the slightest. the cars are half the reason i watch it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Kudos to Jr. for taking a page out of Sr.'s book for once and not backing down. But fuck Jr. and his team for fucking up on pit road. TWICE! Where was the pit cheif on that one? He's supposed to be on the radio counting down the pit spots to theirs. I can see Jr. missing the sign but that's why the cheif is supposed to be backing him up.

Not too familiar with Tony Eury Jr, are ya?

[brettmojo]

Not too familiar with Tony Eury Jr, are ya?
All too well, all too well.

[Tenbatsuzen]

All too well, all too well.

If Dale doesn't perform this year, Rick may take Tony Jr. out of the equation.

The thing is, Dale has some tools. It's not like he's Kyle Petty or something.

But he's not focused. It's almost like, to me, that he doesn't want to be there. It's like the pressure of who his father is crushes down on him and limits his chances for success.

[Tenbatsuzen]

6pm start for this race? I mean, really? Against the Oscars? Boooo.

[disneyspy]

6pm start for this race? I mean, really? Against the Oscars? Boooo.

ya im sure the hendrick drivers are pissed too

[brettmojo]

The only reason anyone will tune into the Oscars tonight is to see Ledger get best actor.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The only reason anyone will tune into the Oscars tonight is to see Ledger get best actor.

It's going to be impossible for him to win that.

[Tenbatsuzen]

These half-assed music videos Fox is doing with the pre-filmed vignettes of NASCAR drivers spliced with the music really sucks.

I mean, does anyone want to see someone fake-acting winning a race?

[Tenbatsuzen]

This whole "unshaven JJ' and "Gordon in Black" thing is really unsettling.

[cougarjake13]

This whole "unshaven JJ' and "Gordon in Black" thing is really unsettling.

i missed that


is gordons car all in black ??

[Tenbatsuzen]

i missed that


is gordons car all in black ??

Gordon's new paint scheme is black with red flames.

And HOLY FUCKING SHIT - Jr. had a great interview and just called out Kyle Busch. Jesus.

[cougarjake13]

Gordon's new paint scheme is black with red flames.

And HOLY FUCKING SHIT - Jr. had a great interview and just called out Kyle Busch. Jesus.

is it permanent or just for todays race ??

[disneyspy]

i liked when harvick called them the bitch brothers better

[Tenbatsuzen]

is it permanent or just for todays race ??

Looks to be permanent. He had it at Daytona last week too.

[cougarjake13]

Looks to be permanent. He had it at Daytona last week too.

what does he think he's dale sr ??

[Tenbatsuzen]

what does he think he's dale sr ??

What, someone can't drive a black car? Shit, there's a ton of other people who are guilty of that before Jeff.

[cougarjake13]

What, someone can't drive a black car? Shit, there's a ton of other people who are guilty of that before Jeff.



yeh but how many of them were or are high profile as jeff



no ones cares that montoya drove a black halvoline 42



but jeff going to black has got to have people talking about the comparisons to dale sr



im not saying i have a problem with it , hell i think someone should drive the 3, either use it or retire it forever


maybe someday junior gets the number

[disneyspy]

where the fuck did you guys get the black car idea?all ive seen gordon drive this year is the rainbow warrior

[led37zep]

Jimmie Johnson always does well in Fontana.

[cougarjake13]

where the fuck did you guys get the black car idea?all ive seen gordon drive this year is the rainbow warrior

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_nascar/images/2008/10/02/jeffgordoncar.jpg

[meanmrbill]

Ughhhh. These announcers, especially Waltrip, are the worst in all of sports. To say that the drivers are comfortable in front of the camera because they are "real" and "just like the fans in the seats only they drive race cars" is bullshit. The drivers are comfortable because they are trained to never say anything that might make the sponsors look bad.

[brettmojo]

Ughhhh. These announcers, especially Waltrip, are the worst in all of sports. To say that the drivers are comfortable in front of the camera because they are "real" and "just like the fans in the seats only they drive race cars" is bullshit. The drivers are comfortable because they are trained to never say anything that might make the sponsors look bad.
Look at the Arod press conference or his Peter Gammons interview and then look at almost any interview with most of the Nascar guys... You'll see the difference between "trained" and comfortable.

[led37zep]

I'd love to see who FOX thought the animated groundhogs would appeal to during this race.

[disneyspy]

I'd love to see who FOX thought the animated groundhogs would appeal to during this race.

NOT US GREENSKEEPERS!!
anybody notice that when they were at lap 133 darrel said "well were almost at the half way point"?

[meanmrbill]

So, Waltrip likes to interview Jr. because when he asks him a question Jr. answers it. Waltrip is truly a disgrace.

[meanmrbill]

I'd love to see who FOX thought the animated groundhogs would appeal to during this race.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g174/meanmrbill/fans1.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

Ughhhh. These announcers, especially Waltrip, are the worst in all of sports. To say that the drivers are comfortable in front of the camera because they are "real" and "just like the fans in the seats only they drive race cars" is bullshit. The drivers are comfortable because they are trained to never say anything that might make the sponsors look bad.

I have to disagree.

Fox has the best announcers compared to TNT (excluding Kyle Petty) and ESPN (which is really bad)

[meanmrbill]

I have to disagree.

Fox has the best announcers compared to TNT (excluding Kyle Petty) and ESPN (which is really bad)
Excluding Kyle Petty??? He sucks almost as bad as the FOX announcers. He always sounds like he has to clear his throat, I get nauseous listening to him.

[brettmojo]

I'd love to see who FOX thought the animated groundhogs would appeal to during this race.
http://bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/bill-murray-in-caddyshack.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

We'll agree to disagree.

HMS engines blowin' up... and Fox is giving Oscar updates. Nice.

[disneyspy]

i think tony stewart just got fucked

[led37zep]

i think tony stewart just got fucked

Either way I'm sure he'll agree.

[led37zep]

CHECKERED FLAG: Matt Kenseth becomes the fourth driver in history to start the season 2-for-2 as he wins the Auto Club 500. This is Kenseth's third win at Auto Club Speedway.
Wow.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Would have been more impressed if 18 went 3-3 this weekend.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wow.

Two words: Kyle Busch. All the wins in the world won't mean shit by race 27.

[spoon]

Two words: Kyle Busch. All the wins in the world won't mean shit by race 27.

However, in this financial environment wins are pretty crucial to the financial flow of any team at this point. I never heard of NASCAR hoping to sell out even the Cali races, let alone Daytona. It's a very good year to stay up top for sponsorship, revenue and more.

[spoon]

Two words: Kyle Busch. All the wins in the world won't mean shit by race 27.

Not to mention, it's also ONLY bc of this bullshit system they run with now. Sorry, but the season should surely count for more bc Johnson has now won two titles he shouldn't really have taken. By that I mean Gordon the year prior and Kyle last year. Sure one might say he would have had a shot bc JJ did get hot at the end of both years, but I'd say the gap was too big and the other driver's years would have held up.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Anyone else want to agree with me that without the name Earnhardt, Jr is every other average driver.

[ScottFromGA]

Anyone else want to agree with me that without the name Earnhardt, Jr is every other average driver.

captain obvious here...

[cougarjake13]

Not to mention, it's also ONLY bc of this bullshit system they run with now. Sorry, but the season should surely count for more bc Johnson has now won two titles he shouldn't really have taken. By that I mean Gordon the year prior and Kyle last year. Sure one might say he would have had a shot bc JJ did get hot at the end of both years, but I'd say the gap was too big and the other driver's years would have held up.

i think i looked it up once before but gordon would have had 2 more titles had they not gone to the race for the chase gimmick

[scottinnj]

Anyone else want to agree with me that without the name Earnhardt, Jr is every other average driver.

I wouldn't go that far. He's no Tony Stewart or Cale Yarborough, but if you look at Fontana he qualified badly, then changed out a transmission to start dead last. He went from 43rd to 14th before the engine gave out. Not a bad job.

[cougarjake13]

I wouldn't go that far. He's no Tony Stewart or Cale Yarborough, but if you look at Fontana he qualified badly, then changed out a transmission to start dead last. He went from 43rd to 14th before the engine gave out. Not a bad job.

at DEI before that last year when he wanted out he was more than just an avg driver if he didnt have the name earnhardt

he was winning races and was somewhat in the hunt for championships


lately he hasnt been putting it together

[Snoogans]

kyle busch is gonna win at Vegas

[cougarjake13]

kyle busch is gonna win at Vegas

dont the busches always win at vegas ??

[scottinnj]

at DEI before that last year when he wanted out he was more than just an avg driver if he didnt have the name earnhardt

he was winning races and was somewhat in the hunt for championships


lately he hasnt been putting it together

Agreed, but still a fan. Although at Daytona he looked lost like a rookie.

[Jughead]

Ughhhh. These announcers, especially Waltrip, are the worst in all of sports. To say that the drivers are comfortable in front of the camera because they are "real" and "just like the fans in the seats only they drive race cars" is bullshit. The drivers are comfortable because they are trained to never say anything that might make the sponsors look bad.

No Shit lets bad mouth the payroll dept??Tony said Goodyear gets press by putting drivers in danger and making a defective product... I'm not sure that is a compliment??? But I am sure they are a sponsor...:smile:

[scottinnj]

kyle busch is gonna win at Vegas

You're a real risk-taker there Snoogans! As for me, I'm taking the safe bet-Robbie Gordon!

[Snoogans]

You're a real risk-taker there Snoogans! As for me, I'm taking the safe bet-Robbie Gordon!

I know fool, but sometimes you get a feelin the big guy is gonna win. I had a decent call with McMurray in daytona, runnin top 5 til fuckin Vickers and Dale decided to dick slap each other

[meanmrbill]

No Shit lets bad mouth the payroll dept??Tony said Goodyear gets press by putting drivers in danger and making a defective product... I'm not sure that is a compliment??? But I am sure they are a sponsor...:smile:
Goodyear isn't a sponsor in the way Home Depot is a sponsor. They supply tires, thats it and Tony was right to speak out. Tony Stewart is one of the only drivers that speaks his mind. Most of the others, when interviewed, thank their guys, thank their sponsors then take a sip from a soda that is paying them to do it. Its scripted!!!

[led37zep]

I know he's been shitty in his first two races but I have a feeling Jr. may make an impressive showing in Vegas.

I'm not changing my fantasy line up, its just a gut feeling.

[scottinnj]

The 88 team is just getting on my nerves. Dale qualifies a shitty 31rst but yet he's got the fastest car in practice the next day. What good does that do if you're so far back to start you can't use any of that speed?

This team is downright schizophrenic this year. Jr. is driving like a rookie, and the 88 team both at the shop and in the pits are performing like they're back at DEI.

[Snoogans]

I think Stremme is gonna have a good week this week. Top 10 at least

[scottinnj]

.....fuckin Vickers and Dale decided to dick slap each other

That's probably the best way of describing what happened I've heard yet.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The 88 team is just getting on my nerves. Dale qualifies a shitty 31rst but yet he's got the fastest car in practice the next day. What good does that do if you're so far back to start you can't use any of that speed?

This team is downright schizophrenic this year. Jr. is driving like a rookie, and the 88 team both at the shop and in the pits are performing like they're back at DEI.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2008/writers/brant_james/10/01/eury/eury.jpg

"My fingers smell funny. When was the last time I had barbecue?"

[scottinnj]

Wow, KB really messed that one up. Tough for Scott Speed and BK. He got hit hard by Scott too. He sure wasn't happy, but at least he took responsibility for it.
I'm beginning to come around on this kid. He sure has matured a whole bunch since his move to JGR.

[scottinnj]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2008/writers/brant_james/10/01/eury/eury.jpg


"Is it rightey-tightey lefty-loosey or...."

[scottinnj]

Between the tires blowing and the younger kids driving like their blindfolded, this race is absolutely embarassing to watch.

[scottinnj]

Brendan Gaghn spinning out going into the pits, David Ragan in the lead and spins out passing lapped traffic-it's like watching Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane while he's in "hot pursuit"

[led37zep]

Can biffle go back to back?

[Snoogans]

Can biffle go back to back?

biffle didnt win last week

[cougarjake13]

Can biffle go back to back?

biffle didnt win last week

he's talking about winning yesterdays nationwide race and todays sprint cup race

[Jughead]

Ok My C drivers are labonte and almendinger..Shit I don't know what to do..Labonte has screwed me so many times I'm taking aj I think?????? What would you do???

[Jughead]

Can biffle go back to back?

Mrs Jug thinks so she has him as an A driver...I think its a little risky but she is ahead of me...

[led37zep]

Mrs Jug thinks so she has him as an A driver...I think its a little risky but she is ahead of me...

I've got him as my A driver as well...Mrs Jug has good taste.

[Jughead]

Don't forget Kyle is going to the back...FYI....Jugggggggg

[scottinnj]

Don't forget Kyle is going to the back...FYI....Jugggggggg

He won't be back there long.

[led37zep]

Is this Robin Leech doing the PA work?

[Jughead]

He won't be back there long.

True ...I love this track that nationwide race was awesome... Have fun race fans....

[Jughead]

Is this Robin Leech doing the PA work?

:lol:

[Jughead]

Between the tires blowing and the younger kids driving like their blindfolded, this race is absolutely embarassing to watch.

Sorry to disagree I thought it was great....:bye:

[cougarjake13]

Ok My C drivers are labonte and almendinger..Shit I don't know what to do..Labonte has screwed me so many times I'm taking aj I think?????? What would you do???

tough call but i'd go with aj

[Jughead]

tough call but i'd go with aj

I did worries me but, but oh well ....Hey this brad wreck looked like he missed judged the corner more than the car snapping around..Maybe he thought he was still at California..He was so good in nationwide having trouble is class A:smile:...

[led37zep]

2 cautions in 7 laps...pretty funny after they went though all that analysis about caution stats from the previous 8 races.

[scottinnj]

Sorry to disagree I thought it was great....:bye:

It is what it is, and we both watched, which is what matters to them.

[Jughead]

a lot of pit mistakes just like last night...

[led37zep]

Nascar driver training: Sip corporate beverage, talk (mentioning owner and sponsors) sip corporate beverage.

I'm still pretty new to the sport but I can't get over the cookie cutter formula that these drivers are trained under when it comes to the media.

[cougarjake13]

Nascar driver training: Sip corporate beverage, talk (mentioning owner and sponsors) sip corporate beverage.

I'm still pretty new to the sport but I can't get over the cookie cutter formula that these drivers are trained under when it comes to the media.

dont forget the hours and hours of extensive training it takes to make sure you dont cover the logo with your hand and its facing the camera

[led37zep]

Turn two seems to be pretty slick today.

[disneyspy]

ha in that lowes commercial jimmy jonson is pipe fittin in a manhole,that may have been the gayest thing i've ever typed

[Snoogans]

he's talking about winning yesterdays nationwide race and todays sprint cup race

i fuckin hate that shit. Its supposed to be the minors, and its ALL Sprint guys

[led37zep]

Any chance Biffle gains 15 places on this pit?

[Snoogans]

Any chance Biffle gains 15 places on this pit?

Someone tell me fuckin Hornish still had the lucky dog spot

[disneyspy]

Someone tell me fuckin Hornish still had the lucky dog spot

i hope not,fuckin harvick deserves it after the bullshit that put him a lap down

[Snoogans]

i hope not,fuckin harvick deserves it after the bullshit that put him a lap down

fuck him. I have Hornish in my pool.

[disneyspy]

fuck him. I have Hornish in my pool.

well i hoped you enjoyed that wreck then

[Snoogans]

well i hoped you enjoyed that wreck then

it wasnt a wreck but it was enough to fuck me. And thanks for being so considerate

[Snoogans]

that rub by Hornish only cost him 1 spot. Im not as mad about it now

[disneyspy]

im happy cuz it got harvick back on the lead lap

[led37zep]

Its starting to look like I should have started Burton instead of Biffle today.

[Snoogans]

I KNEW I SHOULDA TAKEN KYLE BUSCH

Out on a limb or not, i fuckin nailed that one, and then DIDNT PICK HIM

[led37zep]

Looks like Biffle will finish with a top ten. I can't be too upset at that.


Kyle did a fucking awesome job today...just solid racing.

[disneyspy]

at the end of the race harvick went from 20th place 1 lap down to finish in 12th,nice

[Snoogans]

Hornish 16th is pretty fuckin good, but im mad i didnt take KB like I originally said. Fuck.

[disneyspy]

kyles face is so odd and gay i feel like my screen is messed up

[Tenbatsuzen]

Gotta give Kyle credit today. Boy can race.

Nice day for Jr. too. Top 10 finish, even with the pit mistake.

[scottinnj]

2 roush cars blowing up. that ain't good.

[Snoogans]

Keep an eye on Stremme and Ruitimen this week. Right now I'm leanin on taking Denny Hamlin for my pool but havent decided yet.

[Jughead]

I screwed up last week not going with labonte.. I'm screwing up this week even more taking Hornish

[disneyspy]

i just have this feelin that kurt busch will wreck after leadin the most laps

[Tenbatsuzen]

You know, for a guy whose "career was over", NBC seems to get a lot of mileage of promoting Sean Avery. It's been an Avery lovefest on NBC today.

That being said, Howard Stern is wrong. Lesbians do not equal ratings. Assholes = Ratings.

EDIT: Wrong thread. I am sorry.

[scottinnj]

You know, for a guy whose "career was over", NBC seems to get a lot of mileage of promoting Sean Avery. It's been an Avery lovefest on NBC today.

That being said, Howard Stern is wrong. Lesbians do not equal ratings. Assholes = Ratings.

EDIT: Wrong thread. I am sorry.


No problem..you had an important post, you put it in an important thread.

[Snoogans]

Crazy shit today with the fuckin caution nonsense. Really ruined everyone's day nice and early. Im just glad Denny Hamlin slid through it ok and I didnt get totally fucked

[denko]

i had edwards and junior for my pool. they did alright for me. i had edwards and jeff burton last week, they were running 3 and 4 for the white flag and fucking edwards blew up crossing the line. that fucked me good.

[TheInfamousBayne]

I'm going to Bristol next weekend.

I'll say this NASCAR has gotten really boring over these last years but I LOVE the fact that testing on cars is banned. We can actaully see different people up front for once.

[Chaotic]

I'm going to Bristol next weekend.

I'll say this NASCAR has gotten really boring over these last years but I LOVE the fact that testing on cars is banned. We can actaully see different people up front for once.

I'll be there myself. I only live maybe an hour and ten minutes from the track so we're headed over for qualifying on Friday and then back over for the cup race on Sunday

[TheInfamousBayne]

I'll be there myself. I only live maybe an hour and ten minutes from the track so we're headed over for qualifying on Friday and then back over for the cup race on Sunday

cool beans my man. I'm coming all the way from Athens,Georgia and staying for the whole weekend.

[led37zep]

I'm going to Bristol next weekend.

I'll say this NASCAR has gotten really boring over these last years but I LOVE the fact that testing on cars is banned. We can actaully see different people up front for once.

Big fan of Bristol. I was lucky enough to shoot the track when it was empty and get up on the roof for a few shots. I've always wanted to go there for a live race. Feel free to report back and post a few pics of the event!

[TheInfamousBayne]

Big fan of Bristol. I was lucky enough to shoot the track when it was empty and get up on the roof for a few shots. I've always wanted to go there for a live race. Feel free to report back and post a few pics of the event!

I will budday.

[Snoogans]

dont fuck this up, reuitimann

[scottinnj]

Truck Race was rained out, tomorrow looks cloudy. Sprint Cup starts where you stand in the points, so Dale is actually going to be starting better then the last two races at 19th.

Hope the rain stays in the sky. I bought a lot of beer for this weekend, and I'd hate to drink it mad.

[Jughead]

Truck Race was rained out, tomorrow looks cloudy. Sprint Cup starts where you stand in the points, so Dale is actually going to be starting better then the last two races at 19th.

Hope the rain stays in the sky. I bought a lot of beer for this weekend, and I'd hate to drink it mad.

I have not looked in the last 4 hours but the forecast does not look good:thumbdown:

[denko]

weather looks good for today

[cougarjake13]

double j bumps out hamlin for the win

[scottinnj]

Great finish, and I like the fact Denny gave props to JJ for the bump and pass move for the win. I'm glad everyone still knows the rules of short track racing.

Good day for Chevy. All four Hendrick cars and both of Stewart's cars finish in the top ten.
Off to Texas!

[Jughead]

New York Looses the banquet ...........:tongue:....Did they even know it happened there:lol::lol:

[Tenbatsuzen]

jesus...

FUCK KYLE BUSCH.

[led37zep]

Hmm.

[Snoogans]

I took Mark Martin today in my pool. Pole start and good track history. I was also considering JJ and smoke but imma save them for later.


Keep an eye out on JPM and Paul Menard also, i think they have solid races tonight




and fuck you spoon, for being the reason I know this

[led37zep]

I'm sticking with Biffle no matter what.

That's why I'm losing in the fantasy league.

He's never won a Sprint Cup race at Phoenix, but hopefully last nights win will bring me some luck.

[Snoogans]

I'm sticking with Biffle no matter what.

That's why I'm losing in the fantasy league.

He's never won a Sprint Cup race at Phoenix, but hopefully last nights win will bring me some luck.

the pool im in you can only take a guy once per year

[led37zep]

It would be hilarious if my pool did that. It would explain my poor showing.


First time doing a racing pool. I should check that out

[Snoogans]

yea its 25 for the season, you pick 1 guy per race and you get the points he gets. After you pick a guy he is done for the year for you

[cougarjake13]

I took Mark Martin today in my pool. Pole start and good track history. I was also considering JJ and smoke but imma save them for later.


Keep an eye out on JPM and Paul Menard also, i think they have solid races tonight




and fuck you spoon, for being the reason I know this




yeh yahoo had a whole thing about martin's success at phoenix

[Snoogans]

Strahan is grand marshall today. What a goof ball. He is awesome.




BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY LETS GO RACIN BOYS

[led37zep]

BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY LETS GO RACIN BOYS

Damn right!

[Snoogans]

Fuck you Sterling

[led37zep]

Biffle moved up to 7 on that yellow

[Snoogans]

i just hate that it let everyone catch back up to Martin

[Jughead]

I can not believe I did not know this race was on now!!!!You all are right one of the thing's I do know a little about *I fuck up....I'm the Gomer Pyle of Ron Fez.net :wallbash: Im a fucking dumb ass...:annoyed:

[led37zep]

I'm the Gomer Pyle of Ron Fez.net


We already have one buddy. You just keep being Juggy.

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[Jughead]

We already have one buddy. You just keep being Juggy.

I remember Feb 08 I think it was a Blue Moon...:smile:

[Jughead]

Gm keep's throwing that new Camaro in the fans face!!! And we can not get any...The 12 we have coming 10 are pre sold.And we are a pretty big dealer in this state....http://paultan.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/chevrolet_camaro_1.jpg

[led37zep]

Gm keep's throwing that new Camaro in the fans face!!! And we can not get any...The 12 we have coming 10 are pre sold.And we are a pretty big dealer in this state....http://paultan.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/chevrolet_camaro_1.jpg
How does it drive? I love the look

[Jughead]

How does it drive? I love the look

They cut back ride and drives....We should get our first any day...Pm me your email and I will do a video walk around for ya ..Even though I'm in the certified pre owned dept The New car boys will help me because they like me...Why???? because I'm a retired rock star...:smoke::thumbdown:

[led37zep]

Dale is struggling to hold on to this lead...did he just drop first?

[Jughead]

Dale is struggling to hold on to this lead...did he just drop first?

I have been on here with it in the back ground what a mistake.....I will catch up now:wink:

[led37zep]

I have been on here with it in the back ground what a mistake.....I will catch up now:wink:

51 laps juggy

[led37zep]

Dales car looks REALLY loose.

[Jughead]

Robbie was really pissed at Waltrip...

[disneyspy]

Robbie was really pissed at Waltrip...

hes always pissed at waltrip,i love it

[Jughead]

I think the captain is back In this series...

[Jughead]

hes always pissed at waltrip,i love it

Mikey is not nice like ours...:tongue:

[Jughead]

hes always pissed at waltrip,i love it

Ever see the tape of Robby grabbing Tony at Michigan a few years ago??

[led37zep]

Ever see the tape of Robby grabbing Tony at Michigan a few years ago??

link?

[disneyspy]

Ever see the tape of Robby grabbing Tony at Michigan a few years ago??

i think i was at that race,ever see that interview where robby got fined for callin waltrip a piece of shit on tv?

[Jughead]

link?

I will try it was during practice....They got in to it in the garage area pretty bad.... I bet Tenbats can find it...

[Jughead]

Im having a good fantasy run with Tony I need Ambrose to finish well...

[led37zep]

I've been doing my "stick with Biffle" in my league....not good.

[Jughead]

Tony and Robby was daytona I think..I will find it...

[Jughead]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/motorsports/2000/daytona500/news/2000/02/16/daytona_scuffle_ap/t1_daytona_ap.jpg

[led37zep]

is it just me or are a lot of the back ends of these cars looking really loose?

[Jughead]

We are seeing something very cool in racing if he wins!!!

[Jughead]

is it just me or are a lot of the back ends of these cars looking really loose?

Yes Damn it!!!!:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wal lbash: I had him:bye:

[Jughead]

Come on Smoke...

[led37zep]

Dales car looks REALLY loose.

Just for reference.

Led Said this!!!

[Jughead]

Damn!!!Mark's crew had a problem

[Jughead]

Just for reference.

Led Said this!!!

Song remains the same....:clap:

[Jughead]

This is gonna be good!!

[led37zep]

Old Balls is going to pull this one out

[Jughead]

Jimmy is loose also

[Jughead]

Old Balls is going to pull this one out


Could be a cry....But I wont make fun!!!

[led37zep]

Could be a cry....But I wont make fun!!!

Cry all you want. This old man deserves the win!



Congrats Mark!

[Jughead]

Great Win For Mark...Great decision for RICK!!!

[Jughead]

Work hard don't give up and it can happen for you..!!!!

[Snoogans]

nice. Maximum possible points in the pool tonight

[Jughead]

Mears and Jr banging after the race...:clap:

[led37zep]

Mears and Jr banging after the race...:clap:

and smoke coming by to congratulate the old man...very good all around!


if it wasn't so trendy I'd be backing smoke.

[Jughead]

and smoke coming by to congratulate the old man...very good all around!


if it wasn't so trendy I'd be backing smoke.

I feel the same way about JR...Big race fan but I do not have a favorite kinda sucks..:thumbdown:

[Snoogans]

get in a pool and pick a guy every week. I always have a new favorite


My heart still lies with BORIS SAID

[led37zep]

I feel the same way about JR...Big race fan but I do not have a favorite kinda sucks..:thumbdown:

I went with Biffle because I've never heard or met a 16 car fan.
plus growing up a niner fan in the 80's how could I not love a guy rocking #16.http://www.opengroup.com/sports/images/(SC)Joe_Montana_Photo.jpg