A Bris?

[Krieger]

Right now I'm in the middle of listening to fridays show and the whole circumcision/bris talk for Dave's son and I gotta bring up the thing Ron said a while ago about how it effects how you feel and lessens sexual feeling. I thought nothing of it until I came across a whole talk on a facebook group like a month ago and even talked about it with a friend a couple of weeks ago and he told me that his mother wanted to give him the choice so they didn't have it done in the hospital when he was born and he did research on it when he thought about having it done and even said he had a friend who had it done and said it was the worst decision he ever made. I know as a random listener my opinion shouldn't matter to the Macdonalds or even if its just a bit that wont be brought up ever again but I'd hope they consider and look into this. Idk about any of you fellow guys but I know I kinda resent the fact I didn't have a choice for a pointless procedure.

[NotStyro]

I'm sorry, it appears you have largely been misinformed regarding the benefits and risks of male circumcision. Infant circumcision does not desensitize the penis and most men that decide to have a circumcision later in life do not regret the decision. I would recommend not believing all that is written at the many anti-circumcision/foreskin-fetishist fanatical sites.

Here are a few links to actual true information on male circumcision.

Health benefits in brief... (http://www.circinfo.net/health-benefits-and-reviews.html)

An Appeal to Reason (http://www.circumcisioninfo.com/con_parents.html)

Why should you consider circumcision? (http://www.icon.co.za/~hugot/circum/Advantages.htm)

Benefits outweigh risks... (http://www.circinfo.net/benefits_outweigh_the_risks.html)

Debunking lies and myths... (http://www.circumcisioninfo.com/circ_record.html)

Personal Testimonials (http://www.circumcisioninfo.com/con_testimonies.html)

Medical References (http://www.circinfo.net/circumcision_references-page1.html)

[GreatAmericanZero]

the whole ritual of a bris really really fuckin' creeped me out. i didn't know all that shit before the discussion. It just sounds so savage

if i had a son, i'll have him cut of course (i'm not an animal) but do it privately. fucking creepy weird religious rituals disgust me

[KojiClutch]

the whole ritual of a bris really really fuckin' creeped me out. i didn't know all that shit before the discussion. It just sounds so savage

if i had a son, i'll have him cut of course (i'm not an animal) but do it privately. fucking creepy weird religious rituals disgust meI agree. I've never understood the celebration of the whole thing.

[midwestjeff]

I agree. I've never understood the celebration of the whole thing.

Dude, cutting up a tiny baby dick.

What about that doesn't scream celebration?

[KatPw]

the whole ritual of a bris really really fuckin' creeped me out. i didn't know all that shit before the discussion. It just sounds so savage

if i had a son, i'll have him cut of course (i'm not an animal) but do it privately. fucking creepy weird religious rituals disgust me

I agree. I've never understood the celebration of the whole thing.

I'm an ex-catholic, so I could be completely wrong as to the reason it is a celebration. A bris is a happy celebration, because it dates back to Abraham, as the circumcision was the first commandment that God gave to Abraham. It is also a symbol of your faith (Christian people circumcising their boys is a fairly new concept). By having a bris, the parents are forming a convenant between the child and God (like baptism is a covenant between God and the child in christian faiths).

[underdog]

I'm an ex-catholic, so I could be completely wrong as to the reason it is a celebration. A bris is a happy celebration, because it dates back to Abraham, as the circumcision was the first commandment that God gave to Abraham. It is also a symbol of your faith (Christian people circumcising their boys is a fairly new concept). By having a bris, the parents are forming a convenant between the child and God (like baptism is a covenant between God and the child in christian faiths).

So God's first commandment to Abraham involved a little boy's penis?

Catholic Priests are very godlike.

[midwestjeff]

God said to Abraham, clip me a son.
Abe said where do you want this clippin' done?
Way out on highway 51.

[GreatAmericanZero]

what a fucked up time it was in the biblical age where whenever they wanted people to do things because it was healthier at the time (circumcision..not eat pork) they had to make up some creepy God story to scare people into living healthier. The human race is just shit

[TheMojoPin]

JUST SAY NO TO THE BRIS.

Circumcision is a barbaric practice. If only American insurance companies will wise up and stop covering it so that it can die out.

[biozombie]

God's a fucking weirdo, no offense.

[utriculus!]

God's a fucking weirdo, no offense.

http://smiliesftw.com/x/laugh.gif


I couldn't agree more.

[~Katja~]

JUST SAY NO TO THE BRIS.

Circumcision is a barbaric practice. If only American insurance companies will wise up and stop covering it so that it can die out.

couldn't disagree more.

[Gvac]

couldn't disagree more.

Same here.

Uncut = savage.

Not to mention infection and disease ridden.

[Gvac]

Check out the pros and cons of circumcision from the Mayo Clinic -

Circumcision may have health benefits, including:

* Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it easy to wash the penis — although it's simple to clean an uncircumcised penis, too.
* Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. The risk of urinary tract infections in the first year is low, but these infections may be up to 10 times as common in uncircumcised baby boys. Severe infections early in life can lead to kidney problems later on.
* Prevention of penile problems. Occasionally, the foreskin on an uncircumcised penis may be difficult or impossible to retract (phimosis). This can also lead to inflammation of the head of the penis.
* Decreased risk of penile cancer. Although cancer of the penis is rare, it's less common in circumcised men.
* Decreased risk of sexually transmitted diseases. Safe sexual practices remain essential, but circumcised men may have a slightly lower risk of certain sexually transmitted diseases — including HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

The drawbacks

Circumcision also has drawbacks, including:

* Surgical risks. Excessive bleeding and infection are uncommon, but possible. The foreskin may be cut too short or too long or fail to heal properly. If the remaining foreskin reattaches to the end of the penis, minor surgery may be needed to correct it.
* Pain. Circumcision hurts. Local anesthesia can block nerve sensations during the procedure.


I think it's pretty obvious that the pros far outweigh the cons.

I've seen other studies which say circumcised men are 60% less likely to contract STDs than uncircumcised men, and are also far less likely to pass infections on to women.

[BlackSpider]

<--- Cut...

[britneypablo]

the celebration is kinda crazy just get it done and be done with it, but i think its def necessary for easy health maintenance but most importantly....i dont wanna sit or suck on a weird lookin ant eater
so as a favor to the future man, get it cut of now and save them the decision of keeping the thing that disgusts sex addicts like me...if i dont wanna ride it, than you know theres a problem with it (not that i totally haven't but i didnt like it and vomited on their chest during...)



Cheerio!

[GreatAmericanZero]

dr steve said that uncircumsized men are 90% more likely to get the rare penis cancer

u should def get cut, but the weird voodoo religious ceremony gives me the creeps

[~Katja~]

Same here.

Uncut = savage.

Not to mention infection and disease ridden.

and I say that knowing that most German men are uncut.
When I had my son circumcised my sister looked at me like I was a maniac for having it done.
He was a day old, had local anesthesia and will never remember it.

I don't know what I would do if had to clean his until he is old enough to do a good job at it. Not to mention how boys go through some really filthy puberty years, with little hygiene, BO and all.

Friends of our family had it done to their son when he was 6 or 7. We all used to go to the beach every summer and he would get really bad infections from sand in the foreskin.
Imagine the pain he felt then compared to the short period of time when a procedure is done to a newborn.

[GreatAmericanZero]

i had a jewish teacher who married a Sikh man who refused to have the baby circumsized. it was a big debate in that family, but the baby ended up getting an infection and they had to get him cut anyway

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4C_tSMqS810/SJu7R8ECmwI/AAAAAAAABfU/0HBo0JfRDHI/s400/Mohel.jpg

If you DO decide to through with it, don't hire "Shaky the Mohel."

[patrick187]

95% of american chicks don't dig un-cut dicks. The kid would feel uncomfortable in the lockeroom and while watching porn. cut baby-boy!!!!!!

[TheMojoPin]

I can't believe we willingly mangle the genitals of an infant due to heavily contested and misconstrued medical misinformation (for every study that claims it prevents some kind of disease or condition, you'll find multitudes of others that counter that or show the condition couldn't be linked conclusively to the issue of circumcision). The bulk of the "problems" people clam that circumcision "fixes" are easily avoided by doing things everyone should be doing anyway: wearing condoms and knowing how to use soap and water. It's a social custom born out of the Puritanical idea that it curtailed sex and masturbation that's been propped up as a medical issue.

We hypocritically look down on ritual genital mutilation on other parts of the world but condone another form of it here.

If I ever have a son, that lucky bastard is going to grow up with a majestic, non-mutilated schlong.

This is truly the ultimate example of the pussification of America....SAVE OUR PENISES.

[underdog]

95% of american chicks don't dig un-cut dicks. The kid would feel uncomfortable in the lockeroom and while watching porn. cut baby-boy!!!!!!

95% of american chicks can't tell the difference between and cut and an uncut erection.

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

I dated a guy from Belgium once (get off my back-- he wasn't from France) and he was uncircumcised. Every time I was with him I thought, "He's in control of the spice!"

ALL jokes aside-- I think circumcision is barbaric as is genital mutilation in young girls in Africa, the middle east, and South America.

I'm not even going to broach the ceremony. With the Mohel. After the deed.

[MacVittie]

We hypocritically look down on ritual genital mutilation on other parts of the world but condone another form of it here.

There's a huge difference between female genital mutilation and male circumcision. Female genital mutilation's purpose is to eliminate sexual pleasure for women. To equate them trivializes the tragedy of FGM.

This is truly the ultimate example of the pussification of America....SAVE OUR PENISES.

No getting circumcised is the real pussification. It plays right into the mentality of wanting to wrap your kid in styrofoam. Parents are terrified that their kid might experience some brief pain that they will never remember.

[TheMojoPin]

There's a huge difference between female genital mutilation and male circumcision. Female genital mutilation's purpose is to eliminate sexual pleasure for women. To equate them trivializes the tragedy of FGM.

And the origins of circumcision are the batshit ideas that it curbed sexual desire. We just dress it up in fancy medical jargon now to prolong it because it was so engrained in our social rituals. If people opt for it, well, them's the terrible breaks, but the culture around it basically approaches it like it NEEDS to be done, and that's ridiculous. It's rarely presented as something that doesn't have to be done here in America.

No getting circumcised is the real pussification. It plays right into the mentality of wanting to wrap your kid in styrofoam. Parents are terrified that their kid might experience some brief pain that they will never remember.

It has nothing to do wih pain and everything to do with CHOPPING OFF A CHUNK OF OUR PENISES when it's totally unecessary.

Men are taught here to be ashamed or feel weird if they have an intact schlong when they themselves are actually the normal ones. Madness.

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

Men are taught here to be ashamed or feel weird if they have an intact schlong when they themselves are actually the normal ones. Madness.

My "Dune" reference didn't go over well, did it? I'm so sorry.







I'll see you at dawn. Well, I'll see YOU. You won't see me.

[RoseBlood]

I didn't read this entire thread, however my opinions were summoned here, so here I am.

As an American female, I am probably in the minority when I say uncircumsized penis DOES NOT disgust me, but neither do circumsized ones. It's all a matter of what we've become conditioned too. We hate the unfamiliar and we like what we are told to like.

When a parent(s) chooses to have their son circumsized or not, it is their choice alone. I don't care if it's for religious reasons or health reasons.

I don't know all the facts and I don't have any statistics on hand to back my opinions. Although it's safe to assume one can gather data for or against circumcision as they are usually flawed and skewed in the sense they only portray one side.

It has been my experience that if a man practices good hygiene and washes himself properly there should be no issues with "cheese" or infection. Whether or not a mans sexual sensation is compromised from circumcision, I can't say. No doubt most circumsized men have no complaints, but I believe nerve endings are cut when the procedure is done, but if he never had them he wouldn't know what he's missing anyway. So I'm not convinced or swayed by arguments for or against.

When/if I have a son, I'll probably do whatever his father is, so most likely he will be circumsized.

For any girls who are truly disgusted by uncircumsized penis, I ask this: would you prefer a man tell you up front & right away that he's uncircumsized so you can just say adios before he's given a chance and save him any further heartache? Would you find it odd to brouch the subject? What if you fell in love with a guy only to find out later on when you're being intimate that he's uncircumsized? Would you be so turned off and love him any less? I'm not judging, these are serious questions and I'm sorry if I'm sounding a wee bit clinical here. I love whatever the man I love has. Would you be hurt if you fell in love with a guy, only to later learn he's disgusted by your nipples cause he likes 'em a certain size shape that yours don't match?

*edit* i just read katja's post and she makes some valid points about boys being more prone to infection when they go through their dirty stage, but i still stand by my previous statements.. whats a little skin between lovers.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Fucking Starvin'. We got any clipped dickfat o' babies out back?

[The Ogre]

I got two young sons. If anybody had tried to get near their infant dicks with a scalpel there would have been a murder in the hospital. I'm not so fucking arrogant that I'm gonna make the decision for them if they should get a hunk of their dicks chopped off before they are able to make the decision for themselves.

For all the talk about uncircumsized men having a 90% higher incidence of penile cancer is just people using big scary numbers to mask much smaller ones. According to cancer.org the incidence of penile cancer is 0.2% for men in North America with a 0.1% death rate. double that to be generous for the 90% higher rate and you have less than 600 deaths per year from penile cancer. About 1 in 100,000 men die for the uncircumsized, and that's if the statistic even holds true, which I doubt as long as a man learned good hygiene growing up as my sons are.

I have to echo the opinions of TheMojoPin. There's a lot of haughty, arrogant motherfuckers around here who would look down on the kind of mutilation that certain African tribes practice on the clits of young girls. Somehow in our infinitely more civilized society we're chopping up the dicks of infants daily and it's ok?

[RoseBlood]

<--- Cut...

Yes, that was an unfortunate accident, but no one asked about your nose, please stay on topic :wink:

[TheMojoPin]

I have to echo the opinions of TheMojoPin. There's a lot of haughty, arrogant motherfuckers around here who would look down on the kind of mutilation that certain African tribes practice on the clits of young girls. Somehow in our infinitely more civilized society we're chopping up the dicks of infants daily and it's ok?

It's also ironic that the stats bandied about regarding the "necessity" of circumcision in terms of infection and STD's and such are almost alwasy inflated by using global stats, particuarly those from Africa.

[RoseBlood]

All I see is: uncircumsized=savage, circumsized=mutilation

Please people, what happened to all your talk of patience, assumptions and understanding? http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/rolleye/rolleye0014.gif

*edit* tongue firmly platned in cheek.

[TheMojoPin]

Hoo-hoo!

[mendyweiss]

http://www.callamohel.com/images/fenster/CC6931_CC6931-R1-22.jpg

Hey, I got to make a living too !!
I got to pay fucking alimony to that yenta !!

[britneypablo]

For any girls who are truly disgusted by uncircumsized penis, I ask this: would you prefer a man tell you up front & right away that he's uncircumsized so you can just say adios before he's given a chance and save him any further heartache? Would you find it odd to brouch the subject? What if you fell in love with a guy only to find out later on when you're being intimate that he's uncircumsized? Would you be so turned off and love him any less? I'm not judging, these are serious questions and I'm sorry if I'm sounding a wee bit clinical here. I love whatever the man I love has. Would you be hurt if you fell in love with a guy, only to later learn he's disgusted by your nipples cause he likes 'em a certain size shape that yours don't match?

*edit* i just read katja's post and she makes some valid points about boys being more prone to infection when they go through their dirty stage, but i still stand by my previous statements.. whats a little skin between lovers.


even though my judgment is slightly different on the topic i liked ur logic and reason through out the whole post especially on how we like what we are told we are supposed to like and also your right the uncuts ive been around have never been yuckie health wise....but to answer your question....I ASK BEFORE THE FIRST DATE....i also like to find out everything about a guy sexually before i fall in love with him bc it would be a mistake for someone like me to fall in love with someone who doesnt match my sexual preferences....its probably the most consuming quality i look for in a man right next to humor and trust...and while i think ant eater dicks are funny, thats not the kind of humor im lookin for either




Cheerio!

[Heather 8]

When/if I have a son, I'll probably do whatever his father is, so most likely he will be circumsized.


I let my husband decide whether or not Jack should be circumsized. I wasn't about to make a choice myself based on vanity reasons.

(And I got your reference, Fuzzybutt)

[RoseBlood]

even though my judgment is slightly different on the topic i liked ur logic and reason through out the whole post especially on how we like what we are told we are supposed to like and also your right the uncuts ive been around have never been yuckie health wise....but to answer your question....I ASK BEFORE THE FIRST DATE....i also like to find out everything about a guy sexually before i fall in love with him bc it would be a mistake for someone like me to fall in love with someone who doesnt match my sexual preferences....its probably the most consuming quality i look for in a man right next to humor and trust...and while i think ant eater dicks are funny, thats not the kind of humor im lookin for either




Cheerio!
I like this response and glad to see you know yourself well enough to ask first. You're a girl who knows what she wants and doesn't want and isn't afraid to ask for it.. cheers to you.. or shall i say Cheerio!

[CruelCircus]

It's also ironic that the stats bandied about regarding the "necessity" of circumcision in terms of infection and STD's and such are almost alwasy inflated by using global stats, particuarly those from Africa.

So you're the only one who can use Africa to back up an argument?

[JerseyRich]

I like this response and glad to see you know yourself well enough to ask first. You're a girl who knows what she wants and doesn't want and isn't afraid to ask for it.. cheers to you.. or shall i say Cheerio!

Good show!

[TheMojoPin]

So you're the only one who can use Africa to back up an argument?

Damn right. READ YOUR MEMOS.

[bobrobot]

my fave slang term for an uncircumcised penis is "anteater."

http://www.palmbeachzoo.org/images/conservation-anteater.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

http://windsockpilotsupplies.com/_borders/windsock.gif

[britneypablo]

my fave slang term for an uncircumcised penis is "anteater."

http://www.palmbeachzoo.org/images/conservation-anteater.jpg

your welcome

[RoseBlood]

http://www.thingamababy.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/07/senslip.jpg
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q203/macrokittehs/cat_macros_foreskin.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/palakea/4532_image.jpg

[Fred from Brooklyn]

As the father of 2 boys, I remember the procedure well...they are both on video tape.

The procedure is swift and simple. The Rabbi would dip a cloth or tissue in wine and let the boys suckle. Then with a clamp, that looks similar to a folding knife with one flat side, the excess skin is placed in... and a razor is run along the flat side of the clamp.
The skin is then pulled back and the fella gets wrapped like lil' mummy, with the new head exposed for ease of urination.

I remember it sitting there on a cloth before the Rabbi cleaned up...like a lil' calamari ring.

[JerseyRich]

As the father of 2 boys, I remember the procedure well...they are both on video tape.

The procedure is swift and simple. The Rabbi would dip a cloth or tissue in wine and let the boys suckle. Then with a clamp, that looks similar to a folding knife with one flat side, the excess skin is placed in... and a razor is run along the flat side of the clamp.
The skin is then pulled back and the fella gets wrapped like lil' mummy, with the new head exposed for ease of urination.

I remember it sitting there on a cloth before the Rabbi cleaned up...like a lil' calamari ring.

I don't think it would be appropriate to say, "I'm fuckin' starvin'."

[Fred from Brooklyn]

I don't think it would be appropriate to say, "I'm fuckin' starvin'."


I'm thinking Randazzo's myself...Mmmmmm, With the medium source...and bread.

[Coach]

I can't believe we willingly mangle the genitals of an infant due to heavily contested and misconstrued medical misinformation (for every study that claims it prevents some kind of disease or condition, you'll find multitudes of others that counter that or show the condition couldn't be linked conclusively to the issue of circumcision). The bulk of the "problems" people clam that circumcision "fixes" are easily avoided by doing things everyone should be doing anyway: wearing condoms and knowing how to use soap and water. It's a social custom born out of the Puritanical idea that it curtailed sex and masturbation that's been propped up as a medical issue.

We hypocritically look down on ritual genital mutilation on other parts of the world but condone another form of it here.

If I ever have a son, that lucky bastard is going to grow up with a majestic, non-mutilated schlong.

This is truly the ultimate example of the pussification of America....SAVE OUR PENISES.
Not fer nuttin'..but you just came off as nutso there boss.

[Flea_Man]

It's not like it's barbaric. It's a medical procedure and very safe.

And seriously, it just looks gross if it's not cut.

<---------- proud Jew

[Krieger]

It's not like it's barbaric. It's a medical procedure and very safe.

And seriously, it just looks gross if it's not cut.

<---------- proud Jew

It's a pointless procedure, We're the only country really that has it widely done. And as a response to the first response of this thread, I think there's obvious proof that if the hood is gone a cut male will always have the sensitive part exposed which will desensitize it to an extent I'd think. And I think it's kinda ignorant when people say you'd look like a savage when it's uncut. Firstly you can tell who steals from O&A because that's like the only place Ive ever heard anyone call uncut knobs savage looking and secondly it all looks the same when its in its full glory. The only real problem I think uncut dudes deal with is phimosis but that's rare. And if it's even a question whether it'd effect your sexual feeling why do it?

[NotStyro]

Male circumcision is not 'pointless', harmful, mutilation nor desensitizing. Check out the link below for the truth behind the myths & lies promoted by the anti-circumcision cult(s).

Debunking lies and myths (http://www.circumcisioninfo.com/circ_record.html)

As for the look, feel & taste of circumcised vs 'intact'...it would be largely subjective and varying from person to person depending on their past experience and the culture they live in.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Anyone else find it odd that we worry about a baby dick? This is the f'n 21st century. No one in this country is bathing in shit anymore. Let the kid decide when he's old enough to do so. Where's the outrage over infant baptism?

[~Katja~]

Anyone else find it odd that we worry about a baby dick? This is the f'n 21st century. No one in this country is bathing in shit anymore. Let the kid decide when he's old enough to do so. Where's the outrage over infant baptism?

we worry about the baby dick cause we have to clean it for the first 5-8 years... and then show the "baby" exactly how to keep it clean.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I'm sorry I didn't realize we're dealing with challenged children

[TheMojoPin]

Not fer nuttin'..but you just came off as nutso there boss.

I thought it was more cockso.

[~Katja~]

I'm sorry I didn't realize we're dealing with challenged children

not challenged, but boys.
They will be at least 4-5 by the time they understand how to properly clean it and then you still have to monitor them.
Then between 5-8 they will be all over the place, playing in dirt and shit and get infections you really don't want them to suffer through.

See, I grew up in Germany and people there generally did not have it done, but many had to have it done out of necessity after their kids had painful infections multiple times a year.
That doesn't mean that all boys/ men need this procedure, but it also means that those who chose it to be done later in their lives already suffered pain from infections and were absolutely conscious and aware of the procedure when it was performed.

[TheMojoPin]

Male circumcision is not 'pointless', harmful, mutilation nor desensitizing. Check out the link below for the truth behind the myths & lies promoted by the anti-circumcision cult(s).

Debunking lies and myths (http://www.circumcisioninfo.com/circ_record.html)

As for the look, feel & taste of circumcised vs 'intact'...it would be largely subjective and varying from person to person depending on their past experience and the culture they live in.

We can toss websites (http://www.nocirc.org/) with really weird names (http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/) back and forth all day (http://www.circumcision.org/).

I just think there should be more discussion between parents and doctors when a child is born over the issue and have it presented like there are viable reasons both ways to have it done or not have it done and that it's ultimately not something that NEEDS to be done. The faux necessity of it is what's unfortunate about the whole thing and most people seem to go into thinking they have to get it done. The major Amrican medical associations seem to agree with that sentiment:

The American Academy of Pediatrics (1999) stated: "Existing scientific evidence demonstrates potential medical benefits of newborn male circumcision; however, these data are not sufficient to recommend routine neonatal circumcision. In the case of circumcision, in which there are potential benefits and risks, yet the procedure is not essential to the child’s current well-being, parents should determine what is in the best interest of the child."[15] The AAP recommends that if parents choose to circumcise, analgesia should be used to reduce pain associated with circumcision. It states that circumcision should only be performed on newborns who are stable and healthy.[15]

The American Medical Association supports the AAP's 1999 circumcision policy statement with regard to non-therapeutic circumcision, which they define as the non-religious, non-ritualistic, not medically necessary, elective circumcision of male newborns. They state that "policy statements issued by professional societies representing Australian, Canadian, and American pediatricians do not recommend routine circumcision of male newborns."[51]

The American Academy of Family Physicians (2007) recognizes the controversy surrounding circumcision and recommends that physicians "discuss the potential harms and benefits of circumcision with all parents or legal guardians considering this procedure for their newborn son."[160]

The American Urological Association (2007) stated that neonatal circumcision has potential medical benefits and advantages as well as disadvantages and risks.[161]

Personally, I think it's a ridiculous idea and would never let it happen if I have a son and I was actually rather angry that it was done to me, but I'm not among those who want the procedure banned or people prevented from being able to have it done.

The best source of health statistics comparable to the US would be from the UK, where the practice was widepsread until it was removed from medical coverage and drastically faded from popularity.

[RoseBlood]

Nice tag :dry:

The only reason I'd want my son circumsized is for all the reasons Katja stated. I don't want to have to stand over my son to make sure he's pulling the foreskin back when he washes, not if I have any say in the matter. Unless my husband were to be uncircumsized, then he could do that but most likely he will be, considering I live in America.

Why do people say it's gross looking? Because they're not use too it? Good thing Flea's mom didn't find his face objectionable or else she'd have his head chopped off. And as someone already said, when its in its full glory they all look the same anyway. So functionally, it'll work with or without the foreskin.. not a big deal.

[~Katja~]

Nice tag :dry:


I love when people misspell WIENER

[JerseyRich]

I love WIENER

That is well documented.

[~Katja~]

That is well documented.

is it?

[Sheeplovr]

Good thing Flea's mom didn't find his face objectionable or else she'd have his head chopped off.


WHY IS THAT A GOOD THING

[JerseyRich]

WHY IS THAT A GOOD THING

Don't come in here yelling Mister!

[Flea_Man]

It just looks gross and there's no real reason to have the foreskin. What's the point, it's more sensitive? Really? Mine's been working fine for 21 years. And it's beautiful.

So yeah, cut off the hood. Your son's penis doesn't need to look like it's robbing a bank.

[TheMojoPin]

It just looks gross

Let's be honest here...it's going to look hideous with or without the extra bit.

[TheMojoPin]

Haahahahahahhahahahaaaah!

Is this Flea?!?

SHUT UP.

[made cummsies]

for what its worth my 2 cents on the topic

I'm not cut and have never had any of the problems cited by the pro-circumcision crowd. My dick is always impeccably clean, have never had a urinary infection and never caught an STI. Not that I'll ever have a kid but if I did I wouldn't get the little fella clipped as it seems to be an awfully barbaric practice and can't see there being any demonstrable benefit.

[Fred from Brooklyn]

its like hemming your pants instead of that sloppy over the shoe look...

[Krieger]

It just looks gross and there's no real reason to have the foreskin. What's the point, it's more sensitive? Really? Mine's been working fine for 21 years. And it's beautiful.

So yeah, cut off the hood. Your son's penis doesn't need to look like it's robbing a bank.

the only bank a penis will go to is a sperm bank and only to make deposits. I'd say the darker ones would do this so called hooded robbery you speak of but as Ronny says , "we live in a post-Obama world." (bad joke is bad) anywaysss.

more sensitive means it'd feel alot better. I'm not sure but I heard some crazy statistic like a 75 percent difference in sexual feeling between a dude that's cut and that's not. That's 75 percent that most of us will never feel, if being clipped leaves you at 25% then imagine your best orgasm x 3. Though assuming that this is true ... which I'm sure someones going to post a link that will disprove it.

[NotStyro]

more sensitive means it'd feel alot better. I'm not sure but I heard some crazy statistic like a 75 percent difference in sexual feeling between a dude that's cut and that's not. That's 75 percent that most of us will never feel, if being clipped leaves you at 25% then imagine your best orgasm x 3. Though assuming that this is true ... which I'm sure someones going to post a link that will disprove it.

Circumcised guys feel 75% less than 'intact' guys regarding sexual activities?! Wow, do you believe everything you read on anti-circumcision/intactivist/foreskin-fetishist sites?

Since you asked for a link to disprove your info...
Circumcision Doesn't Reduce Sexual Satisfaction And Performance, Says Study Of 4,500 Men (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080107101013.htm)

and a bonus link...
Myth: The foreskin plays an integral part in facilitating intercourse and in experiencing sexual pleasure. (http://www.circumcisioninfo.com/circ_record.html#anchor10r)

[Serpico1103]

the only bank a penis will go to is a sperm bank and only to make deposits. I'd say the darker ones would do this so called hooded robbery you speak of but as Ronny says , "we live in a post-Obama world." (bad joke is bad) anywaysss.

more sensitive means it'd feel alot better. I'm not sure but I heard some crazy statistic like a 75 percent difference in sexual feeling between a dude that's cut and that's not. That's 75 percent that most of us will never feel, if being clipped leaves you at 25% then imagine your best orgasm x 3. Though assuming that this is true ... which I'm sure someones going to post a link that will disprove it.

Do you have a penis?
How powerful your orgasm is has nothing to do with how sensitive your penis is.
Besides, if your penis was really that much more sensitive wouldnt it mean you were that much more likely to be premature.
"Premature? Those aren't tears on your belly."

[PapaBear]

Even if it were possible to measure whether one is more sensitive than the other (which it isn't), your math is way off, Krieger. If uncut feels 75% better than cut, then it's not 3x more sensitive. Say you could give the level of sensitivity that someone who is cut feels, a value of 100, then someone who experiences 75% more sensitivity would rate 175. But all that's moot, anyway.

[TheMojoPin]

Circumcised guys feel 75% less than 'intact' guys regarding sexual activities?! Wow, do you believe everything you read on anti-circumcision/intactivist/foreskin-fetishist sites?

Since you asked for a link to disprove your info...
Circumcision Doesn't Reduce Sexual Satisfaction And Performance, Says Study Of 4,500 Men (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080107101013.htm)

and a bonus link...
Myth: The foreskin plays an integral part in facilitating intercourse and in experiencing sexual pleasure. (http://www.circumcisioninfo.com/circ_record.html#anchor10r)

This dude apparently only joined the board to talk about foreskins.

Weird.

[~Katja~]

This dude apparently only joined the board to talk about foreskins.

Weird.

no, he twitters too and has other interests
# Bio 42 yo single dude, gamer, geek, music lover, news hound, anti-intactivist, freedom lover & netizen...

[TheMojoPin]

no, he twitters too and has other interests

I'd be surprised if foreskins weren't somehow involved with all of them.

[hydee]

not challenged, but boys.
They will be at least 4-5 by the time they understand how to properly clean it and then you still have to monitor them.
Then between 5-8 they will be all over the place, playing in dirt and shit and get infections you really don't want them to suffer through.

See, I grew up in Germany and people there generally did not have it done, but many had to have it done out of necessity after their kids had painful infections multiple times a year.
That doesn't mean that all boys/ men need this procedure, but it also means that those who chose it to be done later in their lives already suffered pain from infections and were absolutely conscious and aware of the procedure when it was performed.


all of this talk about infections has me asking, why can't parent's keep their kids clean? My grandmother raised 3 boys without circumcisions and she never once had to deal with infections. I know because I asked her what her feelings were and she said the key is teaching them how to clean the penis properly and making sure you as the parent did the job for them until they were old enough to do it.

This was back in the 40's and 50's so there wasn't all this fuss over it. I think if a parent is involved then there shouldn't be infections or what have you. I think people tend to use the it's safer or it's cleaner as an excuse to be lazy.

I mean in this faster then light world why not just have the kid cut, causing him discomfort just so you don't have to do a few more minutes of work and you don't have to teach the kid one more thing when it's older.

Why do you assume that men that haven't had them done have suffered to no end with infections. This logic is just silly. It also adds to the hysteria of the whole thing.

[Aggie]

I honestly never knew that men feel so divided on this issue. I've never seen an uncut one. Maybe I need to do some google searching. I feel so sheltered.

[TheMojoPin]

all of this talk about infections has me asking, why can't parent's keep their kids clean? My grandmother raised 3 boys without circumcisions and she never once had to deal with infections. I know because I asked her what her feelings were and she said the key is teaching them how to clean the penis properly and making sure you as the parent did the job for them until they were old enough to do it.

They have to teach their kids how to wipe their asses. Is that somehow much easier and less embarassing than saying, "hey, watch yer schlong?" Hell, it's not like you don't have to get in there and be sure a cut cawk is sparkly and clean, so they need to be taught that anyway. I don't see how the little bit of extra skin suddenly is ifinitely more taboo or embarassing to teach a kid how to clean. Just yell, "HEY TIMMY, DID YA CLEAN YER DICK TODAY?!?!"

Problem solved.

[Thebazile78]

I honestly never knew that men feel so divided on this issue. I've never seen an uncut one. Maybe I need to do some google searching. I feel so sheltered.

My brothers are uncircumcised for two reasons (1) we are not Jewish and (2) my father objects to the practice of circumcision as barbaric. As they are both younger than me, and I used to have to help with diaper changes, I can tell you it's no big deal.

I never remember them having penile infections or anything like that. I do remember, when they were being toilet-trained, my father instructing them to slide their foreskin back when they peed, but other than that, nada.

(They only had diaper rash, but that's unrelated to the circumcision thing and it's usually not an infection, but rather "contact dermatitis." My mother used cloth diapers, so it makes sense.)

My biggest concern would be caring for a circumcision in an infant ... diapers are filthy places!!!!

[~Katja~]

all of this talk about infections has me asking, why can't parent's keep their kids clean? My grandmother raised 3 boys without circumcisions and she never once had to deal with infections. I know because I asked her what her feelings were and she said the key is teaching them how to clean the penis properly and making sure you as the parent did the job for them until they were old enough to do it.

This was back in the 40's and 50's so there wasn't all this fuss over it. I think if a parent is involved then there shouldn't be infections or what have you. I think people tend to use the it's safer or it's cleaner as an excuse to be lazy.

I mean in this faster then light world why not just have the kid cut, causing him discomfort just so you don't have to do a few more minutes of work and you don't have to teach the kid one more thing when it's older.

Why do you assume that men that haven't had them done have suffered to no end with infections. This logic is just silly. It also adds to the hysteria of the whole thing.

let me ask you a few questions;
what kind of environment did your grandma raise the kids in? Was it a city or in the country? Also in the 40's & 50's it was way more normal to still bathe or shower with your kids and possible clean it for them...
Even at 3 I am starting to worry about my son's natural curiosity because he sees mommy naked and naturally talks about breast and wants to reach in and know why it's so different than him... while that's all natural and kind of funny, if he talks about it at daycare, no doubt I have child services at my door for mommy touching the pipi or showing her tits...
Times have changed.
And like I said, in Germany kids are generally not circumcised yet I know MANY that had to have it done way later in life when the infections were painful and memorable for them. You may think a 6-8 year old knows how to clean it well... but for one example, sand at the beach getting into all creases... a boy does not necessarily get that out right.


and I was not talking about all men with my examples but about cases I have come to know about from family and friends

[Friday]

ack.
thanks to ispy i now know that Sheepy has an uncut penis.

:ohmy:

[TheMojoPin]

Haben Sie reinigen Ihre penishood heute?

[~Katja~]

My biggest concern would be caring for a circumcision in an infant ... diapers are filthy places!!!!

it heals within a week.
You have extra gauze and a thick layer of petroleum jelly on it and you have to change the diaper every 1-2 hours instead of as needed.

[~Katja~]

ack.
thanks to ispy i now know that Sheepy has an uncut penis.

:ohmy:

jesus I purposely deleted that part of her post in my reply :)

[TheMojoPin]

let me ask you a few questions;
what kind of environment did your grandma raise the kids in? Was it a city or in the country? Also in the 40's & 50's it was way more normal to still bathe or shower with your kids and possible clean it for them...
Even at 3 I am starting to worry about my son's natural curiosity because he sees mommy naked and naturally talks about breast and wants to reach in and know why it's so different than him... while that's all natural and kind of funny, if he talks about it at daycare, no doubt I have child services at my door for mommy touching the pipi or showing her tits...
Times have changed.
And like I said, in Germany kids are generally not circumcised yet I know MANY that had to have it done way later in life when the infections were painful and memorable for them. You may think a 6-8 year old knows how to clean it well... but for one example, sand at the beach getting into all creases... a boy does not necessarily get that out right.


and I was not talking about all men with my examples but about cases I have come to know about from family and friends

Even then they're likely getting the "European cut," which is apparently much different from the American-style, which seems determined to hack off as much schlong as possible.

American Circumcision is considered the most agressive method, where the entire foreskin, most of the frenulem, and some of the shaft skin is removed. There is the European Method (Also called the German Method) which removes some foreskin (the glans are not covered), however the skin can still move up and down and may cover the glans when flaccid.

Fuckin' starvin'.

This might be the strangest damn debate I've ever been in.

[~Katja~]

Even then they're likely getting the "European cut," which is apparently much different from the American-style, which seems determined to hack off as much schlong as possible.



Fuckin' starvin'.

This might be the strangest damn debate I've ever been in.

funny, my ex hubby is a Filipino and he had the "German Cut" done when he was a kid. They don't do it at birth apparently.
He was telling me his vivid memories and about the pain he was in when it was done to him.

I had my son circumcised mainly cause his dad was and wanted it for him, yet I had to sign the release, so in case he hates me for it when he gets older he won't haunt the doctor but can take it up with me.