Dave for EP ???

[ToiletCrusher]

Should Dave be the EP ?? yes/no ?

and why!!!

[Caseyelan]

How bout we give him a shot? (and possibly a pay raise?)

[ToiletCrusher]

How bout we give him a shot? (and possibly a pay raise?)


Good point. It would look good on a resume even if it were a short period. (I'm sure more money would be nice too.)

But, I still say no. Dave is far better as an "on air" talent. I truly appreciate what he brings to the table. I think that he should chase that opportunity.

[PanterA]

I said yes, but I dont want Dave to fall into the "Blame Dave" EP roll.

[Reephdweller]

I say yes and a HUGE pay raise!

[MobCounty]

Dave carries a ton of on air weight. I would hate for an EP spot to get in the way of that fact.. Sometimes, you need to stick to what you do best.

[Small..Balls]

Mooch.

MOOOOOOOCH!!!



Mooch?

[Wigs]

Mooch in a heartbeat he has so much passion for the show and an ability to get things done

Dave is a great on air personality. i think sliding into EP would mess up the interaction.

[Jeffec5]

Mooch should get the job dave is better as a freak show

[KojiClutch]

No. Dave has bad breath.

[davesbeard]

Mooch mooch mooch! Dave needs to be on mic.
But give Dave a raise so he doesn't have to take the bus.

[Freakshow]

Mooch should get the job dave is better as a freak show

huh?

[ToiletCrusher]

huh?


Dave??

[sailor]

it would be sad to lose dave undermining whoever is ep. but, dave as ep could end up running a fascist regime, which would be cool for itself.

[Freakshow]

Dave??

no. but oddly I did just make this sig for myself.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b91/pja125/fs_esdpf.jpg

[ToiletCrusher]

no. but oddly I did just make this sig for myself.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b91/pja125/fs_esdpf.jpg

well done.

Freakshow for EP!

[JDE]

Dave should get it, he has done the time, although I agree with what Ron said, about Dave being an on air guy, but I still give him the slot, especially if he gets a raise, the man deserves, and earned one.

I would hire Mooch as a producer,but you can't give him exec producer right off the bat, let him show his stuff as a paid employee, then in the future he can maybe get the gig.



Jason

[DrexlSpivey]

yea.. leave dave on air lets get mooch in the ep chair

[Dell]

I wouldn't want to see it take away time on the air... don't onair personalities make more than an EP?

[Yuppie_Scum]

Dave to third mike -- free him up to come up with more characters/skits. When was the last bored gossip (no, i spelled it right) or Guy Guyerson? Dave is beyond screening calls at this point. I was not an ESD fan for a long time, but since he stopped acting the fool and screaming into the mike, he's turned me around big time.

Mooch cuts very creative segments, but I think his on-air personality is absolute dogshit.

[SinA]

Give him a shot. ESDEP... or EPESD.

What's the worst that could happen? The show would be no worse off even if he was another faildozer, but he might really succeed. Plus, when Dave steps back, Fez usually steps up.

[patrick187]

dave for E.P. But hire Mooch too.

[Small..Balls]

I'm a huge fan of both Dave and Mooch, for different reasons.

I'd love to hear Dave take a shot at EP, and bring Mooch on board in the meantime. It would be a clusterfuck, but it would be a fun month or so.

Then Dave gets put back on mainly on-air duties, and Mooch, who's been gaining experience in the meantime (I know he doesn't need it, but the suits would get to know him, etc.) could step up.

Then we'd have a Ron and Fez show with Dave free to do characters and skits, with the staff under the iron fist of the mighty Mooch.
:thumbup:

[TonyBagels]

Dave's there to serve a purpose, which he does well. Of that purpose; arranging guests, dealing with executives, speaking with PR personnnel, etc, etc; none are what Dave should be doing. Dave is there for a reason..and he does it quite well..none of them are for behind-the-scenes stuff

[Tallman388]

No. I'd like to see Dave try to blame EP Mooch for something and see the hilarity ensue when Mooch fights back.

[mr.c]

Ron needs an effective EP.

Mooch is the man! :thumbup:

Ron needs an on air boost?

Dave is the man! :clap:

[Serpico1103]

ESD is an air talent, not management.
He is very talented, but would be a disaster as an EP. And, he might get myself fired, he would not hide in the shadows for 20 years like Earl.
Get a real EP, and have ESD and Mooch develop show content.

[Golfman]

How bout we give him a shot? (and possibly a pay raise?)

Although I like Dave, I think he's better for the show on air. Put Mooch in the chair and let Ron bash him.... not Dave.

[GrandUnion]

Dave for 3rd mic. How he has yet to recieve that recognition is beyond me. And Mooch is a 15 minute intro producing, whiny little Mc. Fuck him!

[STC-Dub]

If he wants to try the job let him, but Ron is right that he is more of an on-air guy than a behind the scenes guy.

[madchemist]

ESD is great!!! I mean, the stuff that comes pouring out of his mouth is pure gold!! Often a bit insane, but i can't stop listening to the madness i guess... Rock on Dave, you deserve a HUGE raise. hopefully comes out of Earl's salary. heheheheehe.:wallbash:

[ToiletCrusher]

ESD is an air talent, not management.
He is very talented, but would be a disaster as an EP. And, he might get myself fired, he would not hide in the shadows for 20 years like Earl.
Get a real EP, and have ESD and Mooch develop show content.


Dave???

[onemassman]

How bout we give him a shot? (and possibly a pay raise?)

Dave is owed a big bump in pay, the man is a team player. When I hear of him rummaging through garbage for food it makes my skin crawl, he deserves better and has earned it. Regarding the EP position I think Mooch is a better fit for EP I base this on what I have heard on air from him and about him from others on the show. He seems to be the no Bullsh** type has an understanding of what the show is about and would add focus to the staff. I think the way he addressed his relationship with Lilly was dead on throughout. While others were fauning over her he was not afraid to state his mind to her face. Dave should be given additional "senior" production responsibilities but be allowed to float between these, his various on air personas and development of future bits highlighting his "talents". I don't know which I like better when he hits the mark or goes in the dumper. Either way I Laugh my ass off. I was glad to hear Sam leave the Than and Sam Show and look foward to future Special Delivery Shows.

[Serpico1103]

Dave???

Actually, yes, but not ESD. "HIMSELF", not "MYSELF."

[Reephdweller]

How bout we give him a shot? (and possibly a pay raise?)


I'm all for it. My only criticism of Dave, he needs to sound a lot more confident of his desire when asked by Ronnie. He sounds too iffy when Ron asks him about it and Ron was even critical of the same that he needs to put it out there if that's what he wants. It's understandable that he would be hesitant, but it's not always best to show it. Dave is incredibly bright and has a ton of heart. I'm sure whatever areas he's lacking in experience he will quickly learn and adapt very well to.

If it's Dave or Mooch either way I would be very happy and I think they would each do a really great job. Good luck to both.

[onemassman]

I agree that Dave has got to put forth a better case for himself if he wants the EP position. Effective management involves more than being a whip cracker and that's all I've heard him say qualifies him for the job. Surely Dave has unique incite into the backroom operation of the show he has to bring that knowledge and understanding to the forefront. Make not only Ron & Fez aware of this but the suits who it appears only know him from various comedy bits he has been involved with. That awareness should provide him a better shot at them being willing to take a chance on him. I still feel the "gold" lies in developing his on air persona(s).
Either way they have to get Mooch on staff in some form.

[mrlithic]

Dave is great on the air - he needs to sort out his demons but he is possibly the best third mike Ron and Fez have ever had (and that includes Joe Poo).

Mooch is a great producer of material. He has a good ear for sound and an eclectic knowledge of music and pop media.

The only person who could be Executive Producer for the Ron and Fez show is Lily.

Lily is smart, organised and could survive the jibes of the Show Talent and the ruthless fans.

[BalloonKnotB]

I say yep -- Pad his resume THEN get his own show.

[onemassman]

Dave is great on the air - he needs to sort out his demons but he is possibly the best third mike Ron and Fez have ever had (and that includes Joe Poo).

Mooch is a great producer of material. He has a good ear for sound and an eclectic knowledge of music and pop media.

The only person who could be Executive Producer for the Ron and Fez show is Lily.

Lily is smart, organised and could survive the jibes of the Show Talent and the ruthless fans.

I think I heard she was leaving her Buffalo gig. The way things twist and turn with the show I would'nt be surprised if she ended up with the position. I think she would be a good fit with Sam and Dave on the Special Delivery show, could quite possibly be the angle that would put the show over the top. I can't see how they could hire her as EP if they intend to bring Mooch onboard too much hostility. Plus if she is bailing on the Buffalo gig questions arise about committment both short and long term.

[jclassic]

I don't get the rush to push people in there with no experience to the highest position where they could just promote from within with Hicks and the flask. At least on this board. Hiring Mooch wouldn't be bad but I've never seen anybody go from volunteer to manager with nothing in between.

EDIT: And also, Dave's too good as third mic to move.

[onemassman]

I don't get the rush to push people in there with no experience to the highest position where they could just promote from within with Hicks and the flask. At least on this board. Hiring Mooch wouldn't be bad but I've never seen anybody go from volunteer to manager with nothing in between.

How about our 44th President for example.

[Serpico1103]

How about our 44th President for example.

You mean the 43rd, and you are right, what a mistake that was. Get back to managing failing businesses GW.

[onemassman]

You mean the 43rd, and you are right, what a mistake that was. Get back to managing failing businesses GW.

I stand by what I wrote. Time will prove me out.

[Wigs]

I vote all dave's paychecks get put in casey's name. w/ her doing the bills and not letting dave blow it on a gallon of milk a night and wii games it will be like a huge pay raise :D

[Gritty]

ESD is an air talent, not management.
He is very talented, but would be a disaster as an EP. And, he might get myself fired, he would not hide in the shadows for 20 years like Earl.
Get a real EP, and have ESD and Mooch develop show content.

Makes sense to me. I think you need someone with real management skills in the EP spot. Somebody who's less concerned with being on the air and more about getting the on-air talent the resources they need to be successful. If that person is good on the air as well it's a bonus but that should be a secondary consideration.

As far as pay goes, doesn't the on-air talent traditionally make more than the behind the scenes staff? Dave should get a nice bump, based on the amount of time he's on-air alone (let's not get wrapped up in the quality of that time right now). He's really in the Jimmy or Artie position and should be paid accordingly.

[onemassman]

Makes sense to me. I think you need someone with real management skills in the EP spot. Somebody who's less concerned with being on the air and more about getting the on-air talent the resources they need to be successful. If that person is good on the air as well it's a bonus but that should be a secondary consideration.

As far as pay goes, doesn't the on-air talent traditionally make more than the behind the scenes staff? Dave should get a nice bump, based on the amount of time he's on-air alone (let's not get wrapped up in the quality of that time right now). He's really in the Jimmy or Artie position and should be paid accordingly.

Dave's salary has to be a priority as I posted earlier he has put the goods on the table. If he truly is only making 30k it's a shame. The guy's got a wife, daughter and another on the way, does a two hour public transit commute daily, and rarely misses a days work. At 60K a year in NYC dollars he's still a bargain.

I don't think an outside manager is the answer, there's already too much encroachment to both the O&A and Ron&Fez shows by the new regime. The uniqueness of this show needs a person who understands what the show is about, the culture surrounding it, can manage staff and does not fear innovation. That person also is going to have to be able to push the envelope and be able to articulate his positions to management. I think Mooch is that person once again based on what I have heard from him over the air, about him from other show members. I still would'nt be surprised to see Earl return.

[Gritty]

Dave's salary has to be a priority as I posted earlier he has put the goods on the table. If he truly is only making 30k it's a shame. The guy's got a wife, daughter and another on the way, does a two hour public transit commute daily, and rarely misses a days work. At 60K a year in NYC dollars he's still a bargain.

I don't think an outside manager is the answer, there's already too much encroachment to both the O&A and Ron&Fez shows by the new regime. The uniqueness of this show needs a person who understands what the show is about, the culture surrounding it, can manage staff and does not fear innovation. That person also is going to have to be able to push the envelope and be able to articulate his positions to management. I think Mooch is that person once again based on what I have heard from him over the air, about him from other show members. I still would'nt be surprised to see Earl return.

I don't see anybody inside the show who could step up into management. I don't know enuff about Mooch (other than he has great taste in wimmen) to know if he's got those diplomatic skills that would benefit the show when dealing with outsiders.

Mikeyboy on the other hand would be perfect for the gig.

Either way, -- GIVE DAVE MORE MONEY!!!!

[Meataball23]

Dave is great on the air - he needs to sort out his demons but he is possibly the best third mike Ron and Fez have ever had (and that includes Joe Poo).

Mooch is a great producer of material. He has a good ear for sound and an eclectic knowledge of music and pop media.

The only person who could be Executive Producer for the Ron and Fez show is Lily.

Lily is smart, organised and could survive the jibes of the Show Talent and the ruthless fans.


I actually think Lily would be a great pick. Shes good on air in moderation and seems (bc I have zero idea) really good in off the air stuff.

[DrexlSpivey]

i gotta give it to mooch just cuz the way he's not affraid to get one anyones case who he thinks isnt pulling their weight.. and he dosent even work for the show

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I'm a listener who's never been behind the scenes or even knows what really goes into an EP's job. If I had to make a choice, I'd say Dave needs more experience and needs to calm down a bit more before he takes on greater responsibilities like representing the show in the way it sounds like Earl did... and really, does he have to yell so much into the mic while he's making simple statements?

He seems more like the on-air talent type anyhow... EP's generally have sucked on mic whereas Dave has his moments of brilliance. 'Course I'm just a guy who doesn't know.

That said, they should give him a fat wad of Earl's cash. Or give him some of that golden goose Fez keeps nestled in his castle on Retard Island.

[Boo Radley]

I say Dave gets EP, and mooch moves into Dave's position. I can't imagine that it'd take much away from Dave's current responsibilities because Earl was getting by on not doing anything. Oh, and Dave has the ever growing group of mouths to feed :thumbup:

[yojimbo7248]

I think Dave would do really well as EP. Sometimes people underestimate him but he is actually a very bright, capable guy. seriously.

[Gvac]

I think Dave would do really well as EP. Sometimes people underestimate him but he is actually a very bright, capable guy. seriously.

Did someone hack yojimbo's account? :help:

[Knowledged_one]

Just curious what was the last show everyone listened to that actually had a ep they thought did a good job

[yojimbo7248]

Did someone hack yojimbo's account? :help:

ha! no, really that's me. "Capable" and "bright" are both relative. Mooch would be a better EP but I still stick with my first post. Dave is definitely underestimated thanks to his poo eating and drunken behavior. He is bright, though, and I think he would do a good job.

[Reephdweller]

Just curious what was the last show everyone listened to that actually had a ep they thought did a good job


Rory Hamptons was very good

[Knowledged_one]

And i mean any show not just r&f

[onemassman]

ha! no, really that's me. "Capable" and "bright" are both relative. Mooch would be a better EP but I still stick with my first post. Dave is definitely underestimated thanks to his poo eating and drunken behavior. He is bright, though, and I think he would do a good job.

I always took the poo eating and drunken behavior as part of the shows flow. I'm a bit pissed that the new management has stepped in to stifle such creativity. Was the poo stuff over the edge or cutting edge depends on your perspective. Some folks are just method actors.
Looking foward to "Special Delivery" this Saturday @7pm.

[yojimbo7248]

I always took the poo eating and drunken behavior as part of the shows flow. I'm a bit pissed that the new management has stepped in to stifle such creativity. Was the poo stuff over the edge or cutting edge depends on your perspective. Some folks are just method actors.
Looking foward to "Special Delivery" this Saturday @7pm.

I'm with you. recently I have been listening to old shows when Dave has been drunk and they are really funny. I am not knocking shit eating and I wish we had more drunk ESD shows.
My point is I think some people underestimate him. I think he would do a good job as EP.

[yojimbo7248]

Rory Hamptons was very good

He was hot, too.

[ToiletCrusher]

He was hot, too.

and misleading.

[Fezticle98]

Can I have an option for "Yes, he will do poorly"?