Eagles/Cardinals This Weekend (1-18-09)

[skyscraper]

I picked the Giants to win last weekend so what do I know, but it seems to me that the Eagles have a good shot at winning the NFC Championship this weekend. It will not be, however, the laugher that a lot of people think it will be. It should be close, I just hope the Eagles actually show up. If they do, they should win by at least a touchdown.

Thoughts?

[KingGeno]

According to a lot of "fans", the Eagles and Cardinals are "undeserved" to be in the Championship game. This doesn't shed a good light on the teams that went down by their hands. Babies.

[trogdor2k]

A philedelphia superbowl would be fun.

[trogdor2k]

The Superbowl often goes to the team with the hot hand. I think the Eagles should beat the Cards but those damn Cards are playing very well.

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[trogdor2k]

A philedelphia superbowl would be fun.

I sound like a mincing dandy-boy.

[Hottub]

No poll?

[razorboy]

A philedelphia superbowl would be fun.

It certainly wasn't in 2005. If the Cardinals win I'll never stop laughing.

[yomudder21]

The Eagles are a 5.5 point favorite (says ESPN) on the road in an NFC Championship game. This is an unheard of betting statistic so that means a LOT of people think the Eagles are an easy win.

The only shot the Cards have is that they are playing at home. If this game was in Philly there is not a person alive who would take the Cards.

I was at the Thanksgiving day game when the Eagles dominated every facet of the game. The Cards cannot hang on the East Coast in the cold. The Panthers game was the first big game the Cards won all year.

The only shot the Cards have is to shut down the Eagles run game completely, make no mistakes, and get some take aways, which yield great field position. If it comes down to a normal grind out game, the Birds have more ammo.

[weekapaugjz]

the eagles have a wonderful track record of winning the nfc championship though...:thumbdown:

[yomudder21]

It certainly wasn't in 2005. If the Cardinals win I'll never stop laughing.

That was 2004, so yes it wasn't fun in Philly in 2005.

[razorboy]

That was 2004, so yes it wasn't fun in Philly in 2005.

During what year did Super Bowl XXXIX take place? Yeah...

[Judge Smails]

According to a lot of "fans", the Eagles and Cardinals are "undeserved" to be in the Championship game.

That's all we heard about the Giants last year. So, just sit back and take it.

If this turns out to be an all Pennsylvania Super Bowl I may be sick.

[OGC]

Since my team of choice didn't make the playoffs , I hard to decide which team to root for in the playoffs this year. I had decided that an Arizona super bowl win would be interesting, so I backed them last week. Lo and behold the loud turd in the next cubicle informed us all Monday morning that the Cardinals have always been his 'secondary favorite" team and that he was a genius.

So I'll be cheering for any team against the Cardinals now.

[Dirtbag]

Even with my fandom/homerism aside, the Cards are pretty universally recognized as the worst franchise in sports. I'd love to see them win it all just for that.

[weekapaugjz]

Since my team of choice didn't make the playoffs , I hard to decide which team to root for in the playoffs this year. I had decided that an Arizona super bowl win would be interesting, so I backed them last week. Lo and behold the loud turd in the next cubicle informed us all Monday morning that the Cardinals have always been his 'secondary favorite" team and that he was a genius.

So I'll be cheering for any team against the Cardinals now.

anyone who has a "secondary favorite" team is a douche.

[KingGeno]

That's all we heard about the Giants last year. So, just sit back and take it.

If this turns out to be an all Pennsylvania Super Bowl I may be sick.

Yea, that's how I am taking it. I got a lot of respect for the Giants of last year for proving people wrong.

But they can still die in a fire.

[yomudder21]

During what year did Super Bowl XXXIX take place? Yeah...

when all of the training camps and games are held in 2004, it is the 2004 season. i hate technical dicks. yeah, we can all read a calendar.

[RhinoinMN]

No poll?

Use your powers.

[razorboy]

when all of the training camps and games are held in 2004, it is the 2004 season. i hate technical dicks. yeah, we can all read a calendar.

I didn't realize the calendar didn't apply to the Super Bowl. The comment wasn't about the season, it was about the game. How do you feel about general dicks?

[skyscraper]

anyone who has a "secondary favorite" team is a douche.

especially if it's the cardinals.

[skyscraper]

No poll?

Now there is.

[hammersavage]

The Eagles are a 5.5 point favorite (says ESPN) on the road in an NFC Championship game. This is an unheard of betting statistic so that means a LOT of people think the Eagles are an easy win.

I see the line opened at 3 and is now 3.5 so I don't know where ESPN makes up there numbers. The public loves the Eagles so that means bet the other way.

[TripleSkeet]

Eagles. But Arizona wont go down without a fight.

[cougarjake13]

cardinals


on a 22 yd td pass to fitzgerald with 10 seconds on the clock



cardinals 31
eagles 30

[K.C.]

If you look at the chalk on this (which is why I was within one point on each side of the Eagles/Giants game, in my prediction), this game obviously favors the Eagles.

And if the Giants won, it would obviously have favored the Giants. The styles that both teams play are not a good matchup for Arizona.

So really, there's only two possibly ways I see the Eagles losing this game.

1) They just don't show up -- not likely.

2) They're so beat up from the previous two games that they just can't play to 100% -- a possibility.

Outside of that, the Eagles will pressure Warner and disrupt his rhythm, and they've got the secondary to play physical with Fitzgerald and Boldin to disrupt their timing. It also helps guys like Dawkins that neither Fitzgerald nor Boldin are true burners, since he's lost a step over the years.

The Eagles shouldn't have trouble putting up points unless their offensive line is just worn out by now.

So, I would say:
Eagles 34
Cardinals 20

[scottinnj]

How do you feel about general dicks?

General Dicks treat the troops like cannon fodder. It's the Lieutenant Dicks fighting side by side with their platoons that you pay attention too.

[TripleSkeet]

cardinals


on a 22 yd td pass to fitzgerald with 10 seconds on the clock



cardinals 31
eagles 30

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[cougarjake13]

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[jimmyolsenblues]

ronnie can't be happy right now......

[Jughead]

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[Freakshow]

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nice work, jinxy.

[cougarjake13]

eagles need a td



and they got it



cards 24

eagles 13

[disneyspy]

it aint over til its over

[cougarjake13]

it aint over til its over

oh yeh still plenty of time

[KojiClutch]

Fuck the Eagles and their awesomeness.

[Enabler]

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The Cardinals in the Super Bowl? The End is Nye!

[boobieman]

All I have to say to everyone...fuck you fuckstick

SEYYEYEYEYEYYAAAAA

[KojiClutch]

Furthers my claim that Warner should have been MVP.

[Gritty]

Hail to the 2008 NFC Champion Phoenix Cardinals! On to Tampa and victory!

[TripleSkeet]

Man how Id love to have a white QB. As much as I do like McNabb the problem with him is when you need a score with 2 minutes left in the game, you cant depend on him. He just cant handle the pressure.

I dont blame McNabb for this loss though. We lost because our defense didnt show up. Every guy on that defense should be ashamed of themselves. And Quentin Demps should never step foot on that field unless its to return a kick.

But bottom line is with 3 minutes left, McNabb couldve tied the game and asll he did was throw bad pass after bad pass. Sorry, Philly fans, but we are never gonna get a Super Bowl with a nigger QB.

[Kevin]

Man how Id love to have a white QB. As much as I do like McNabb the problem with him is when you need a score with 2 minutes left in the game, you cant depend on him. He just cant handle the pressure.

I dont blame McNabb for this loss though. We lost because our defense didnt show up. Every guy on that defense should be ashamed of themselves. And Quentin Demps should never step foot on that field unless its to return a kick.

But bottom line is with 3 minutes left, McNabb couldve tied the game and asll he did was throw bad pass after bad pass. Sorry, Philly fans, but we are never gonna get a Super Bowl with a nigger QB.



Wow....

[Sinestro]

Sorry, Philly fans, but we are never gonna get a Super Bowl with a nigger QB.

You got there, but didn't win.


Kerry Collins is white and didn't win with the Giants.

[underdog]

Man how Id love to have a white QB. As much as I do like McNabb the problem with him is when you need a score with 2 minutes left in the game, you cant depend on him. He just cant handle the pressure.

I dont blame McNabb for this loss though. We lost because our defense didnt show up. Every guy on that defense should be ashamed of themselves. And Quentin Demps should never step foot on that field unless its to return a kick.

But bottom line is with 3 minutes left, McNabb couldve tied the game and asll he did was throw bad pass after bad pass. Sorry, Philly fans, but we are never gonna get a Super Bowl with a nigger QB.

This is a good post.

[cougarjake13]

has anyone been to hell ???


it may have frozen over

[cougarjake13]

Man how Id love to have a white QB. As much as I do like McNabb the problem with him is when you need a score with 2 minutes left in the game, you cant depend on him. He just cant handle the pressure.

I dont blame McNabb for this loss though. We lost because our defense didnt show up. Every guy on that defense should be ashamed of themselves. And Quentin Demps should never step foot on that field unless its to return a kick.

But bottom line is with 3 minutes left, McNabb couldve tied the game and asll he did was throw bad pass after bad pass. Sorry, Philly fans, but we are never gonna get a Super Bowl with a nigger QB.




wow big time
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[KojiClutch]

Man how Id love to have a white QB. As much as I do like McNabb the problem with him is when you need a score with 2 minutes left in the game, you cant depend on him. He just cant handle the pressure.

I dont blame McNabb for this loss though. We lost because our defense didnt show up. Every guy on that defense should be ashamed of themselves. And Quentin Demps should never step foot on that field unless its to return a kick.

But bottom line is with 3 minutes left, McNabb couldve tied the game and asll he did was throw bad pass after bad pass. Sorry, Philly fans, but we are never gonna get a Super Bowl with a nigger QB.Racism rules.

[TripleSkeet]

Say what you want...

White Super Bowl winning QB's - 41 (soon to be 42)
Black Super Bowl winning QB's - 1

[cougarjake13]

Say what you want...

White Super Bowl winning QB's - 41 (soon to be 42)
Black Super Bowl winning QB's - 1

kinda mis leading b/c until the 80's i cant think of any black qb's

[mikeyboy]

Man how Id love to have a white QB. As much as I do like McNabb the problem with him is when you need a score with 2 minutes left in the game, you cant depend on him. He just cant handle the pressure.

I dont blame McNabb for this loss though. We lost because our defense didnt show up. Every guy on that defense should be ashamed of themselves. And Quentin Demps should never step foot on that field unless its to return a kick.

But bottom line is with 3 minutes left, McNabb couldve tied the game and asll he did was throw bad pass after bad pass. Sorry, Philly fans, but we are never gonna get a Super Bowl with a nigger QB.

That was pretty unnecessary.

[KojiClutch]

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[TripleSkeet]

That was pretty unnecessary.

Probably.

[epo]

Man how Id love to have a white QB. As much as I do like McNabb the problem with him is when you need a score with 2 minutes left in the game, you cant depend on him. He just cant handle the pressure.

I dont blame McNabb for this loss though. We lost because our defense didnt show up. Every guy on that defense should be ashamed of themselves. And Quentin Demps should never step foot on that field unless its to return a kick.

But bottom line is with 3 minutes left, McNabb couldve tied the game and asll he did was throw bad pass after bad pass. Sorry, Philly fans, but we are never gonna get a Super Bowl with a nigger QB.

This ranks with the elite in the category "Most Ignorant Posts I've Ever Read on Ronfez.net". Way to live the stereotype of the asshole Eagles fan.

[Snoogans]

thats unfair triple, Michael Vick had a whole kennel of champions and he is a black QB

[spoon]

Man how Id love to have a white QB. As much as I do like McNabb the problem with him is when you need a score with 2 minutes left in the game, you cant depend on him. He just cant handle the pressure.

I dont blame McNabb for this loss though. We lost because our defense didnt show up. Every guy on that defense should be ashamed of themselves. And Quentin Demps should never step foot on that field unless its to return a kick.

But bottom line is with 3 minutes left, McNabb couldve tied the game and asll he did was throw bad pass after bad pass. Sorry, Philly fans, but we are never gonna get a Super Bowl with a nigger QB.

Holy fuck in a hand basket! I loves me some drama, but that's just stupid. If the guy can't handle pressure it's on him, not his fucking race. WTF!? That's right, hand basket.

[Snoogans]

Id rather go to hell in a red wagon then a hand basket

[spoon]

Id rather go to hell in a red wagon then a hand basket

Shut up narc.

[Snoogans]

That's funny

[TripleSkeet]

While I couldve been more sensitive in how I actually stated my opinion, it doesnt change the way I feel.

15 years ago Id have been the first one to argue that theres no correlation. Then I see QB's like Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer win Super Bowls, while Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon, and Donovan Mcnabb go ringless. And I see guys like Kerry Collins, Matt Hasselbeck, Rich Gannon, and Rex Grossman get to the Super Bowl while Mike Vick, Daunte Culpepper, Kordell Stewart and Vince Young never get there.

Im not an idiot, I know that it shouldnt be a factor its just year after year after year I keep seeing the same thing. And as a guy whos favorite team has primarily had a black QB for the better part of the last 20 years, theres nobody that would like to see me proven wrong more then me.

[Judge Smails]

While I couldve been more sensitive in how I actually stated my opinion, it doesnt change the way I feel.

15 years ago Id have been the first one to argue that theres no correlation. Then I see QB's like Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer win Super Bowls, while Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon, and Donovan Mcnabb go ringless. And I see guys like Kerry Collins, Matt Hasselbeck, Rich Gannon, and Rex Grossman get to the Super Bowl while Mike Vick, Daunte Culpepper, Kordell Stewart and Vince Young never get there.

Im not an idiot, I know that it shouldnt be a factor its just year after year after year I keep seeing the same thing. And as a guy whos favorite team has primarily had a black QB for the better part of the last 20 years, theres nobody that would like to see me proven wrong more then me.

You forgot Doug Williams. What a worthless loser he was, right?

[mdr55]

15 years ago Id have been the first one to argue that theres no correlation. Then I see QB's like Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer win Super Bowls, while Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon, and Donovan Mcnabb go ringless. And I see guys like Kerry Collins, Matt Hasselbeck, Rich Gannon, and Rex Grossman get to the Super Bowl (but they're ringless also) while Mike Vick, Daunte Culpepper, Kordell Stewart and Vince Young (he woulda gotthere if Kerry collins didn't fuck up) never get there.

.


Yo

[razorboy]

So black guys can't handle pressure. I have to go call Magic and Jordan with the bad news.

[epo]

While I couldve been more sensitive in how I actually stated my opinion, it doesnt change the way I feel.

15 years ago Id have been the first one to argue that theres no correlation. Then I see QB's like Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer win Super Bowls, while Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon, and Donovan Mcnabb go ringless. And I see guys like Kerry Collins, Matt Hasselbeck, Rich Gannon, and Rex Grossman get to the Super Bowl while Mike Vick, Daunte Culpepper, Kordell Stewart and Vince Young never get there.

Im not an idiot, I know that it shouldnt be a factor its just year after year after year I keep seeing the same thing. And as a guy whos favorite team has primarily had a black QB for the better part of the last 20 years, theres nobody that would like to see me proven wrong more then me.

Dilfer and Johnson were asked to manage games. Moon, Cunningham and McNabb have generally been asked to win games.

This has ZERO to do with race. It's not about your "sensitivity" or lack thereof.

[TripleSkeet]

You forgot Doug Williams. What a worthless loser he was, right?

I didnt forget him. Scroll up. He was the 1 out of 42.

Im sure race has nothing to do with it. But right now, Id feel better with my team being on the other side of the stat.

[hammersavage]

If you look at the chalk on this (which is why I was within one point on each side of the Eagles/Giants game, in my prediction), this game obviously favors the Eagles.

And if the Giants won, it would obviously have favored the Giants. The styles that both teams play are not a good matchup for Arizona.

So really, there's only two possibly ways I see the Eagles losing this game.

1) They just don't show up -- not likely.

2) They're so beat up from the previous two games that they just can't play to 100% -- a possibility.

Outside of that, the Eagles will pressure Warner and disrupt his rhythm, and they've got the secondary to play physical with Fitzgerald and Boldin to disrupt their timing. It also helps guys like Dawkins that neither Fitzgerald nor Boldin are true burners, since he's lost a step over the years.

The Eagles shouldn't have trouble putting up points unless their offensive line is just worn out by now.

So, I would say:
Eagles 34
Cardinals 20

What the hell happened to the chalk this week?

Im not an idiot, I know that it shouldnt be a factor its just year after year after year I keep seeing the same thing. And as a guy whos favorite team has primarily had a black QB for the better part of the last 20 years, theres nobody that would like to see me proven wrong more then me.

I disagree.


Hope you enjoyed your run as 'City of Champions' Philly. Also hope you are happy going back to being the miserable, loser cocksuckers that everyone roots against.

[TripleSkeet]

Hope you enjoyed your run as 'City of Champions' Philly. Also hope you are happy going back to being the miserable, loser cocksuckers that everyone roots against, unless we are actually at your home stadium, where we become as quiet as church mice.

Fixed it.

[cougarjake13]

While I couldve been more sensitive in how I actually stated my opinion, it doesnt change the way I feel.

15 years ago Id have been the first one to argue that theres no correlation. Then I see QB's like Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer win Super Bowls, while Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon, and Donovan Mcnabb go ringless. And I see guys like Kerry Collins, Matt Hasselbeck, Rich Gannon, and Rex Grossman get to the Super Bowl while Mike Vick, Daunte Culpepper, Kordell Stewart and Vince Young never get there.

Im not an idiot, I know that it shouldnt be a factor its just year after year after year I keep seeing the same thing. And as a guy whos favorite team has primarily had a black QB for the better part of the last 20 years, theres nobody that would like to see me proven wrong more then me.




stewart did get there in 95 although he wasnt the starting qb at the time

[TripleSkeet]

stewart did get there in 95 although he wasnt the starting qb at the time

I know. Which kills me because when he was being slash he was great, as soon as he took the reign as fulltime QB. He shit the bed.

Hey, I also dont think anyones winning a Super Bowl with all white CB's either. Just like I dont feel any NBA team has a prayer of winning a title with more then 2 white starters. And those things have been done alot more in the past.

[cougarjake13]

I know. Which kills me because when he was being slash he was great, as soon as he took the reign as fulltime QB. He shit the bed.

Hey, I also dont think anyones winning a Super Bowl with all white CB's either. Just like I dont feel any NBA team has a prayer of winning a title with more then 2 white starters. And those things have been done alot more in the past.

yeh the slash role was perfect for him and they shoulda went back to that when he proved being a normal qb wasnt working


i think the rams had a few white cb's but not all white cb's


archuletta comes to mind

[cougarjake13]

ffffrrrtttt

[TheMojoPin]

Your theory is flawed. Most white QB's don't make it to the Super Bowl. Most black quarterbacks don't make it to the Super Bowl. Most QB's in general don't make it to the Super Bowl. There have been far fewer black QB's than white QB's, hence why so few of them make it to the big show.

[TripleSkeet]

Your theory is flawed. Most white QB's don't make it to the Super Bowl. Most black quarterbacks don't make it to the Super Bowl. Most QB's in general don't make it to the Super Bowl. There have been far fewer black QB's than white QB's, hence why so few of them make it to the big show.

But you act like they havent been close. Moon, Cunningham, McNair, Vick, Culpepper...theyve all made the playoffs many times. As well as McNabb whose had 5 trips to the NFC Championship in 10 years. Black QB's have had plenty of oppurtunities in the last 25 or so years to win a Super Bowl.

Im sorry but in my opinion white guys are better at the quarterback position then black guys. Alot more. If that makes me racist then so be it.

Why does everything have to always be equal? Lifes not equal. Blacks are better at the RB position then whites. Blacks are overall better at basketball then whites. Whites are better overall at hockey then blacks. Europeans and South Americans are better at soccer then North Americans. There are certain things, I dont know why, that certain races do better then others. Wether its genetics, geography, monetary class or something else that determines this I dont know. But it is out there even if some people dont want to believe it.

I mean anything is possible, Im not saying its impossible, just unlikely.

[TheMojoPin]

But you act like they havent been close. Moon, Cunningham, McNair, Vick, Culpepper...theyve all made the playoffs many times. As well as McNabb whose had 5 trips to the NFC Championship in 10 years. Black QB's have had plenty of oppurtunities in the last 25 or so years to win a Super Bowl.

I never said they haven't been close. Look at all the white quarterbacks who have been close and either didn't go at all or went and lost. Your argument hinges on the QB being the end-all-be-all factor of whether or not a team can win it all, and that's not a accurate statement given all the different types of teams out there and how each of the games go.

Im sorry but in my opinion white guys are better at the quarterback position then black guys. Alot more. If that makes me racist then so be it.

Why does everything have to always be equal? Lifes not equal. Blacks are better at the RB position then whites. Blacks are overall better at basketball then whites. Whites are better overall at hockey then blacks. Europeans and South Americans are better at soccer then North Americans. There are certain things, I dont know why, that certain races do better then others. Wether its genetics, geography, monetary class or something else that determines this I dont know. But it is out there even if some people dont want to believe it.

I mean anything is possible, Im not saying its impossible, just unlikely.

And I'm saying that you're not doing a very good job of arguing the point. It would be more accurate if you pointed out how many more white QB'S there have been and are at the college and pro levels as opposed to trying to make sweeping generalizations about the varying circumstances of playoff games. You're trying to paint select and hugely varying sample sizes with a broad brush and it simply doesn't work.

[TripleSkeet]

No other position in any sport gets the responsibility of winning a championship as NFL QB. Thats why when most measure the greatest QB's ever the names that come up are Montana, Elway, Brady, Aikman, Bradshaw etc. The quarterback is the one responsible for winning a Super Bowl. Its just the way the game has always measured them.

Marino always got dropped below those guys because he couldnt win the big game. Well if you look at the last 20 years, the bottom line is for the amount of black QB's that have made the playoffs more then 2 shouldve gotten to the Super Bowl, and more then 0 shouldve won it.

I mean if I said you arent winning an NBA title with a half white team would you be asking me to point out how many more black players there are then whites like you did with the black QB's??? Probably not because the answer would be the same. Why arent there more? Both in high school or college? Why? Maybe its because they just arent good enough. Maybe there are so many more white QB's because like I said, white guys are just better at the position. The same reason there are so many more black RB's.

[TheMojoPin]

No other position in any sport gets the responsibility of winning a championship as NFL QB. Thats why when most measure the greatest QB's ever the names that come up are Montana, Elway, Brady, Aikman, Bradshaw etc. The quarterback is the one responsible for winning a Super Bowl. Its just the way the game has always measured them.

So what? We weren't discussing whether or not any of the black QB's should be ranked among the best of all time. That's a completely different tangent that didn't have anything to do with the discussion you started with your rant. Besides, as you basically pointed out, plenty of teams have made it or won it behind QB's who were obviously nowhere near being the best. Plenty of teams have won it behind QB's who just didn't fuck up as opposed to actually being the reason for the win.

Marino always got dropped below those guys because he couldnt win the big game. Well if you look at the last 20 years, the bottom line is for the amount of black QB's that have made the playoffs more then 2 shouldve gotten to the Super Bowl, and more then 0 shouldve won it.

Why? Since when are sports a lock to be about who "should win it all" actually winning it all? There have been 12 black QB's in the last 20 years who went to league championship games. Why the arbitrary cutoff of 20 years? You could go back 35 years...do you know what the grand total increases to? 15.

I mean if I said you arent winning an NBA title with a half white team would you be asking me to point out how many more black players there are then whites like you did with the black QB's??? Probably not because the answer would be the same. Why arent there more? Both in high school or college? Why? Maybe its because they just arent good enough. Maybe there are so many more white QB's because like I said, white guys are just better at the position. The same reason there are so many more black RB's.

This is a sideways discussion. I agree that blacks, for various reasons, tend to not be the better QB's, just like there are many positions that whites tend to not be the best at. The black QB's who have made it to where they are made it because of their talent. To say that when it came down to the line that everything fell apart for the team due to their "blackness" is asinine. They didn't just forget how to be a QB. It's a ridiculous statement with absolutely nothing concrete to back it up.

And I have absolutely no idea how you're applying your NBA scenario to what I pointed out about the NFL color stats. You're comparing white and black QB's as if their numbers are comparable. I'm pointing out that relatively few QB's ever make it to the SB, much less win one. You break that exclusive group down even further to a very small demographic, it's just going to be logical that you find even fewer QB's who have gone or won it all. That doesn't do anything to prove or disprove your theory that a QB's "blackness" somehow kept them from going to the SB or winning one.

[TripleSkeet]

My initial statement was that Philly wasnt going to win a Super Bowl with a black QB. Not that its impossible for a black QB to win because of his blackness. I went back 20 years because thats when Doug Williams won.

I just think overall they arent very good at the position. At least not good enough to win a super bowl. And weve had one between Mcnabb, Peete and Cunningham for the last 22 years. I would feel much better with a white guy starting at QB for my team. And like I said Id love for one of the current black QB's prove me wrong.


Im not one of these guys that says NEVER because you cant say never, its already happened. Its just been a very long time and I dont see it happening any time soon. I dont think theres one black QB in the league right now that I can see winning the Super Bowl.

[hammersavage]

Not to jump into this retarded argument but if you know anything about football, Donovan McNabb hasn't won a SuperBowl because he's never had a good receiver. The one year he did, he went to a SuperBowl even after that receiver got hurt and missed the first 3 rounds of the playoffs.

[TheMojoPin]

My initial statement was that Philly wasnt going to win a Super Bowl with a black QB. Not that its impossible for a black QB to win because of his blackness. I went back 20 years because thats when Doug Williams won.

Your argument is basically saying that Eagles could certainly win a SB, but the only thing holding them back is having a black QB. You've yet to explain how his being black is hindering him or the team, especially since he's considered to be a very good QB. Are you honestly blaming this latest loss on him? You're going to say that the way the defense was all but useless against Arizona in the first half had nothing to do with it? It's not like the Eagles were putting up points in that half, but it's nowhere near being something you can pin on McNabb. The team fucked up.

I just think overall they arent very good at the position. At least not good enough to win a super bowl. And weve had one between Mcnabb, Peete and Cunningham for the last 22 years. I would feel much better with a white guy starting at QB for my team. And like I said Id love for one of the current black QB's prove me wrong.

It's an arbitrary criteria that really can't be proven right or wrong. A black QB not getting a ring in the next 20 years doesn't "prove" that black QB's are automatially worse just like if they won the next 20 SB's doesn't prove you wrong. It's a self-defeating argument that has no basis in anything except your gut.

Im not one of these guys that says NEVER because you cant say never, its already happened. Its just been a very long time and I dont see it happening any time soon. I dont think theres one black QB in the league right now that I can see winning the Super Bowl.

Because they're a black QB or because their teams aren't getting the job done? Your criteria in this is way too limited. You seem to think everything rests on the QB.

[hammersavage]

Dude, he was only 28/47 for 375 and 3 td's and ran for another 31 yards. At the end of the day, his blackness did him in.

[TheMojoPin]

Dude, he was only 28/47 for 375 and 3 td's and ran for another 31 yards. At the end of the day, his blackness did him in.

I can't figure out whether TripleSkeet is saying black QB's are done in by their blackness or their being black somehow sabotages the rest of the team. It's one of the two. Or both.

[TheMojoPin]

They simply outplayed the Eagles in every facet of the game, including skin color. They out-hustled them, out-muscled them and out-whited them. The Eagles only have to look at themselves in the mirror to see what wrong...if they can stand the hideous black face looking back at them. Not to take anything away from McNabb, but he didn't play like he was capable of being white.

[hammersavage]

Melanin will kill a QB's accuracy and everyone knows it

[Freakshow]

ha! It's impossible to out-white a team that has Kevin Curtis.

http://deseretnews.com/photos/2477727.jpg

look at that regulation cut. Grandpa Simpson would be proud...

[King Imp]

As much as I can't stand the Eagles, this shit is just immature and totally uncalled for.

McNabb's yard vandalized (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3847672)

[TheMojoPin]

look at that regulation cut. Grandpa Simpson would be proud...

Now that's a haircut you can set your watch to!

[TripleSkeet]

Ok just a quick rundown...

For the question of the black QB's in the league right now and why I dont see them winning a Super Bowl, I just dont think any of them as QB's are good enough to win a championship, regardless of color.

Its not the blackness thing, I dont know what it is but there are certain skills you need to be a championship quarterback and it just seems that most black quarterbacks are lacking these skills. Being able to win games is not the same as winning a championship. I dont know if its the pressure, or leadership or what.The same way that you need a certain set of skills to be a great NFL RB that white RB's in the league seem to lack.

Now to that last game against Arizona. If you read what I posted in the playoff thread, I completely blame the defense for that loss. However, there is a difference between being a good quarterback, and a championship quarterback. And if you are going to be a championship quarterback, then sometimes you gotta lead your team down the field in the final 2 minutes to win or tie a game. Mcnabb doesnt do that. He very rarely has in his career. If you cant handle the pressure of the 2 minute warning how the fuck can you win a Super Bowl?

I actually like Mcnabb. But that is one part of his game that if hes not going to improve makes him worthless as a quarterback in my eyes. I mean am I the only one that thinks its fucked up that in the last 4 years Mcnabb has the same amount of 4th quarter come from behind wins as Mike McMahon?(1) And 1 less then Jeff Garcia??? (2)

As far as trashing his yard, thats fucked up and if Eagles fans had done that to a players house from another team it wouldve been on every show on ESPN as well as every news channel while they took turns bashing the fans.

[TheMojoPin]

Ok I actually like Mcnabb. But that is one part of his game that if hes not going to improve makes him worthless as a quarterback in my eyes. I mean am I the only one that thinks its fucked up that in the last 4 years Mcnabb has the same amount of 4th quarter come from behind wins as Mike McMahon?(1) And 1 less then Jeff Garcia??? (2)

You've got to break it down much more than that. You keep talking about QB's like they have total control over what happens out there. Obviously, they're usually the offensive focal point, but they can only do so much.

Hell, even if I adapted your perspective on it, McNabb essentially did more than anyone else on the Eagles to get his team back in it and to take the lead in the 2nd half until the defense went back to sleep and let the Cardinals storm down the field for a TD.

In short, this game is one of the worst examples for your "the quarterback can win it all on his own and black quarterbacks fall apart in the playoffs" theory.

[KojiClutch]

ha! It's impossible to out-white a team that has Kevin Curtis.

http://deseretnews.com/photos/2477727.jpg

look at that regulation cut. Grandpa Simpson would be proud...LMAO.

[TripleSkeet]

Hell, even if I adapted your perspective on it, McNabb essentially did more than anyone else on the Eagles to get his team back in it and to take the lead in the 2nd half until the defense went back to sleep and let the Cardinals storm down the field for a TD.

In short, this game is one of the worst examples for your "the quarterback can win it all on his own and black quarterbacks fall apart in the playoffs" theory.

McNabbs problem isnt necessarily the problem black QB's have in the playoffs. Look hes the type of QB that if you give him a juggernaut ofense that can score early, then your set. Hes perfect for riding out big leads. Thats why he did so well in 04. But with most teams you have to grind it out in games where the team that scores last wins. He cant fucking do that. He can go back and forth, but if hes gotta make that last punch, its over.

Ive watched every game the fucking guy has played in for his entire 10 year pro career. When the game is on the line and time is running out, hes not the fucking guy you want to have the ball. He can make a comeback when hes got alot of time left, but he just cant score when its the last drive of the game and its a "score and you win" situation.

Anyone that has followed the Eagles closely can tell you this. Its that blatantly obvious. I wish I knew where to even look up a stat like that but I know hes had plenty of failed oppurtunities.

[TheMojoPin]

But with most teams you have to grind it out in games where the team that scores last wins. He cant fucking do that. He can go back and forth, but if hes gotta make that last punch, its over.

He scores last if the team's defense doesn't shit the bed on that last Cardinal's drive. You're arguing semantics. Someone can be the last to score 10 minutes before the end of the game or 10 seconds before the end of the game. It's a huge set of scenarios and variables.

A QB can't just will the team to score. If receivers aren't getting open, if RB's are getting stuffed, if the o-line isn't doing their job, etc., what are they supposed to do? Obviously, a QB can directly fuck things up, but that wasn't the case in terms of being THE reason the Eagles lost this last game. The team failed on multiple levels.

[TripleSkeet]

He scores last if the team's defense doesn't shit the bed on that last Cardinal's drive. You're arguing semantics. Someone can be the last to score 10 minutes before the end of the game or 10 seconds before the end of the game. It's a huge set of scenarios and variables.

A QB can't just will the team to score. If receivers aren't getting open, if RB's are getting stuffed, if the o-line isn't doing their job, etc., what are they supposed to do? Obviously, a QB can directly fuck things up, but that wasn't the case in terms of being THE reason the Eagles lost this last game. The team failed on multiple levels.

Dude I said I blamed the defense for this loss!!!

My point is with 3 minutes left Mcnabb had the ball and roughly 80 yards to go to tie the game. A superstar drives down the field and ties the game. Now if he was throwing balls right into their hands and they were dropping them? Fine. If he was getting sacked 2 1/2 seconds after snapping the ball? Fine. But that wasnt the case. What happened was Mcnabb firing awful pass after awful pass until they basically turned the ball over. It wouldve been done even sooner if Westbrook hadnt bailed his ass out with that one handed incredible catch.

Im not talking about whoever scores last with 10 minutes left. A "whoever scores last wins" game is one where neither defense is doing much so the offenses have to keep going out there and the last one to score before time runs out wins. The 4th quarter of this game was pretty much what that turned into. He doesnt handle the pressure of time running out well. I dont give a fuck who his recievers were. Elway and Marino didnt always have great recievers, and they pulled that shit off their entire career. Montana became the greatest QB of all time simply because of how he performed in the clutch.

[hammersavage]

Elway, Marino and Montana were white so they had an advantage.

[TheMojoPin]

Dude I said I blamed the defense for this loss!!!

My point is with 3 minutes left Mcnabb had the ball and roughly 80 yards to go to tie the game. A superstar drives down the field and ties the game. Now if he was throwing balls right into their hands and they were dropping them? Fine. If he was getting sacked 2 1/2 seconds after snapping the ball? Fine. But that wasnt the case. What happened was Mcnabb firing awful pass after awful pass until they basically turned the ball over. It wouldve been done even sooner if Westbrook hadnt bailed his ass out with that one handed incredible catch.

I'm not pretending like he was stellar in that last drive, but let's not act like he was fucking up wide open receivers pulling great routes left and right. The Eagles' offense as a whole was a wreck that drive coupled with the shitty defense. But in the end, so what? QB's and their teams don't get shit done in those situations all the time. You're presenting nothing that shows they lost because McNabb is black.

Im not talking about whoever scores last with 10 minutes left. A "whoever scores last wins" game is one where neither defense is doing much so the offenses have to keep going out there and the last one to score before time runs out wins. The 4th quarter of this game was pretty much what that turned into. He doesnt handle the pressure of time running out well. I dont give a fuck who his recievers were. Elway and Marino didnt always have great recievers, and they pulled that shit off their entire career. Montana became the greatest QB of all time simply because of how he performed in the clutch.

You're naming the asbolute best of the best...most white QB's don't compare them. It's pointless to expect to have a QB as good as them since odds are a team won't have one that even sniffs them in a fan's lifetime.

But yeah, keep saying the Eagles lost because they had have a black quarterback. You're doing a stellar job of backing that up.

[hammersavage]

I don't know how Kevin Curtis, Jason Avant, Hank Baskett and a rookie WR didn't go to the SuperBowl. McNabb choked!

[TripleSkeet]

But yeah, keep saying the Eagles lost because they had have a black quarterback. You're doing a stellar job of backing that up.

What I was stating was my problem with Mcnabb over the course of his career. See you are bring in 2 different subjects. One my opinion that blacks arent as good at the QB position as whites, and 2. My problem with Donovan Mcnabb as QB of the Eagles.

Believe it or not they are 2 seperate issues. Years ago I thought Mcnabb had it what it takes to win a Championship. After watching him for 10 years I can say I honestly believe he cannot win one unless he is on a team that completely takes the pressure off of him, which will probably never happen. Hes a choker. He cant perform in the clutch. Thats my problem with him. Im not saying hes like that because hes black, just that hes another black QB that doesnt seem to be able to win it all in the NFL , thats just the way he is. Thats my feelings about him. They arent going to change. His fucking recievers were wide open on that last drive and every pass he threw was either behind them, over their heads or at their feet. A Tom Brady wouldve made those passes with those recievers. Im done with him and that game. If you think they cost him that drive you dont fucking know football or youre just blind.

But overall in the QB position I am saying that yes, blacks are not as good as whites at playing QB. I mean everyones asking me to make my argument, prove to me that they are.

If you asked me to prove that whites arent as good as blacks at RB I would simply say to look at how many RB's are in the NFL, and how many of them are white. Thats all the proof Id need.

Im trying to figure out why people have such a problem with this. Does everyone on this board honestly believe that whites and blacks are completely equal in every sport as far as talent goes? Are you people seriously that delusional? Or is it just some kind of cockeyed optimism that Im missing?

I said it in a previous post Im not saying its solely the color of the persons skin but for some reason certain races are better at different sports or sports positions then others. It may be geographical (less baseball and football programs in the inner city), monetary (not everyone can afford to send their kid to hockey camp) or just the skill sets needed for a position (speed, strength, acuracy, being able to read a defense, being able to memorize plays, arm strength, leg strength, endurance, jumping ability) every sport and position has a different demand for these skill sets. Why is it a certain group seem to excel at one while other groups excel at another? Its not me being racist, its a fucking fact. The NBA is like 90% black. If everyone is equal how the fuck can that be???