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paulisded
01-08-2009, 05:09 PM
Bob Lefsetz has been in the music industry for decades. These days he puts out an almost daily rant about the business that I always find fascinating. Here's what he wrote today about the declining star power of today's chart toppers.

"Now my record's up to number three
And a woman recognized me and started to scream
This all seems like a crazy dream
I've been invited to a dinner with a prominent queen"

"Top Of The Pops"
The Kinks

Despite being absent from the core duo of the Beatles and the Stones, you'd be hard pressed to find a baby boomer who doesn't know the Kinks' string of hits. Everything from "You Really Got Me" to "A Well Respected Man" to "Tired Of Waiting For You". Many people probably even know "Set Me Free", which made it to number 23 in 1965, never mind lower charting numbers like "Dedicated Follower Of Fashion". You see Top Forty radio was the tribal drum. You were on a first name basis with the deejays. You listened to the countdown on Tuesday night. You discussed bands with your friends and played 45s at sock-hops, Bar Mitzvah parties and Sweet Sixteens.

The number one record this week is by Lady GaGa. Do you know the title? Rather than embarrass you, I'll tell you, it's "Just Dance". Now you're in the know, most people aren't. Because radio is no longer the tribal drum. Make it to number one and you can tell your parents, your label and management team will be thrilled, but there's a good chance you can go to the supermarket unnoticed. You won't need a bodyguard. And if you've given up your day job, it might not be for long.

Your agent won't be unhappy that you made it to number one, but he won't be jumping up and down. Because in this century there's been a growing divergence between what gets airplay and what sells tickets. Those people who do listen to the radio, who do know the Top Forty tracks, don't think just because you've got a hit you're a career artist, that you've got anything else worth listening to. They probably think you're just a face for a producer. And music isn't so much about saving souls as providing grease to work out and socialize. It's kind of like deodorant. You need it, but it's not the main event.

As for the tours themselves, Madonna whored herself out to every press outlet that would pay attention, but unless you went to the show, you probably didn't care, the hype bounced right off of you. Sure, you might have been interested in the Alex Rodriguez angle, or even her divorce, but that's got little to do with the music. Which most people didn't want, despite her hooking up with supposed star Justin Timberlake and uber-producer Timbaland.

Yes, Justin Timberlake is a star. But he's not as big as he was in N'Sync. Irrelevant of the quality of his music, he's absent the exposure he used to get on MTV. Hell, MTV is laying off workers, viewership is in the toilet, they've just commissioned umpteen reality shows to try and save their bottom line.

Bon Jovi was the number three tourer. But his country album stalled. And Celine Dion and the Eagles are in the Top Ten, but these are all old acts, who made it by the old rules. Where you worked hard to get signed, the label broke you through and everyone reaped the riches. Now, there are barely any riches to go around. Kid Rock sold in excess of ten million copies of his breakthrough album "Devil Without A Cause". His recent smash "Rock N Roll Jesus" was the fourth largest selling album of the year, and it moved two million copies in 2008.

But at least people already knew who Kid Rock was. How about new and developing acts?

Supposed best record of the year? TV On The Radio. Find people who've heard of the act, never mind heard the record.

Used to be when you made Top Ten you were a ubiquitous star, famous throughout the land, and rich too. Now if you're Top Ten I hope you're self-satisfied, because it just doesn't mean that much.

It's not only in music. Network TV shows have been declining in ratings for years. To the point where NBC is going to place proven Jay Leno in prime time every night of the week. Movies? Despite the media hype, not everyone saw "Dark Knight", not everyone cares. And there was that great story about how today's hits have fewer admissions than yesterday's forgettable pictures.

We've got a whole business built upon success, but what is success?

We revere the dollar, but today we hate the people who've got money, the Wall Street bankers who threw our nation, the entire world, into crisis. Oh, they made tons of cash, and have got a lot of it left, but they garner no respect.

Fame? Anybody can be famous. TMZ and PerezHilton have proven this. It's all grist for the mill. No one believes Paris Hilton has any talent. Certainly not Nicole Richie. We might know who they are, but they're cartoon characters providing entertainment, they've got no crunchy center, they're hollow.

Quality? Who defines it? So you win a Grammy... Can you remember who won last year? There are a zillion categories and everyone believes the voting is biased. Awards are a quantification that most people scan and then discard. It's not how they feel. To the degree they even care. And it's not much better for the Academy Awards, don't fool yourself, ratings for that show have been tanking and you can't remember who won Oscars either.

So today you just can't reach that one rung on the ladder that indicates you've made it. You can reach a high point, but chances are very few are paying attention. Your life won't suddenly work when you've achieved what used to be a milestone. So the focus has got to change. You have to decide when you've made it. The outside world doesn't really get a vote.

Can you give up your day job?

Can you go on the road and find an audience that wants to see you?

Can you make money touring?

Can you call your own shots, writing and performing the music you like, and still pay your bills?

We keep looking for stars. We keep looking to quantify and define success. But the standards the industry is using no longer apply, because the numbers are low and most of the public is not paying attention. Instead of a funnel that winnows the available acts down to a few, that everyone pays attention to, we've got a garden hose, that is constantly spewing entertainment, and is overwhelming most people to the point where they no longer pay attention.

Don't look for outside validation. Today everything's personal. Doesn't matter what the magazine says, most people aren't reading it. Movie reviews no longer matter, bad flicks do boffo at the b.o., like "Marley & Me". You're fighting to get ahead, to break through, and no one's paying attention and there's no coronation when you reach the supposed milestone. You're no longer a star, you're a musician. And that requires practice and innovation and delivering every night. Sure, you'll get paid. But not as much as most baseball players. It's a calling. And a rough road. The reward is the music itself. You'd better enjoy playing, because the trappings are less than they used to be, and in most cases they're just not enough.

hedges
01-08-2009, 06:09 PM
Yes, Justin Timberlake is a star. But he's not as big as he was in N'Sync. Irrelevant of the quality of his music, he's absent the exposure he used to get on MTV. Hell, MTV is laying off workers, viewership is in the toilet, they've just commissioned umpteen reality shows to try and save their bottom line.

There is a lot going on in this rant by Lefsetz. It is very ironic that Timberlake, who has been a successful solo artist for sometime now, is "not as big as he was in N'Sync." He got that exposure on MTV, and now MTV is more worried about pumping out reality shows.
Kid Rock on his "I'm A Cowboy" album sold 10 million ten years ago. His latest album sold 2 million and it was fourth on the charts this past year. Being high up on the charts doesn't mean sales through the roof these days.

Kublakhan61
01-09-2009, 04:42 AM
You guys know about this book (http://www.amazon.com/Appetite-Self-Destruction-Spectacular-Industry-Digital/dp/1416552154) which came out on Wednesday? Appetite for Self-Destruction... NYT said it outlines the biggest blunders made by the industry and charts the decline of the record industry by their own hands. I'm looking forward to picking this up.

paulisded
01-14-2009, 05:10 PM
Lefsetz nails it about American Idol:

This is going to change my family's life.

That's what a number of contestants said after winning a ticket to Hollywood last night. Not that I've been woodshedding, my dream is to be backed up by Jeff Beck and Jim Keltner, to jam with John Mayer, but that if all goes well, I'm going to make a lot of money.

Somebody's going to win. But how much money is he or she going to make? In an industry where the true stars are thrilled to reach a two million sales plateau and most people have no idea what the number one record is?

"American Idol" is a television show. First and foremost. It's bigger than any contestant. It's glorified karaoke at best. But it's fascinating to watch because it perpetuates the myth that there's a singular filter, a gate, which if you can pass through, solves all of your problems.

This used to be getting a record deal. If only a label would sign you. You'd hound A&R men to come to your showcase, even though, over time, they didn't even have signing power. But if you got a major label deal that meant someone believed. It was like being in elementary school and getting a gold star on your paper. You walked proudly and felt that the company was going to take care of you. Now the company can't take care of its own employees. Wall Street is reeling. They don't give a shit about you. Labels sign very few acts, want a ton of rights and most fascinatingly, break very little in a world where few are paying attention.

So you turn to "American Idol". You'll go straight to the people, plead your case. And your case is usually, I'm beautiful, I can sing like Mariah Carey, this is America, I get a chance, don't I? I'm ENTITLED to my chance!

The English bluesmeisters, who still do sell-out business today, spoke through their instruments, because they were so shy, they could barely speak themselves. Sure, they took up playing to get laid. How else would they connect? You've got to ask someone for a date, and keep up conversation, they couldn't do that. And it was the only way out. The factory or top of the pops. And if you did make it to the top, if your record did go to number one, it was just a momentary thing. Then back to your hometown, to watch some football, drink a beer in the pub, go to your day job.

But music blew up. Not only can Paul McCartney still play music for a living, but the Stones and Peter Noone too. It was a magical time. The music came to represent the time. Records told you which way the wind blew. Bob Dylan would be laughed out of an AI audition, but he set the course for so many in the sixties and beyond. You had to say something.

It's hard to say something if you don't write the material. You're just grist for the mill.

That's what everybody is fighting for on "American Idol", to be grist for the mill. Please, use me, abuse me, make me into whatever you want. This is the opposite of classic rock, the sound that is still filling arenas. Classic rock was about doing it your own way, giving the man the middle finger. But now Simon Cowell gives the middle finger to you. Now the businessman is the star. And you've got to hand it to Simon, at least he's honest. More honest than anybody appearing in front of him.

The rest of the judges? Thrilled they're along for the ride.

Randy Jackson can stay off the road and pitch lame reality shows to MTV.

Paula Abdul can forestall a life of boredom in the San Fernando Valley.

Kara DioGuardi can finally be famous. After failing as a performer and writing utterly forgettable songs.

We used to have Doc Pomus. Leiber & Stoller. Now we've got Kara DioGuardi? Can you envision a "Smokey Joe's Cafe" of Kara's tunes opening on Broadway ten or twenty years from now?

Hope you didn't ruin your computer screen by spitting up your morning coffee.

You see Kara DioGuardi is part of the myth. That statistics make you famous, make you not only worthwhile, but legendary. She's got tunes on forty five Top Ten albums! And those are..? Maybe at best, chest-beater Celine Dion's?

But Kara's a good judge. She's not quite the new Simon, but she adds some life to this TV show. Where they manipulate the people and the interactions to generate audience reaction. Yes, AI is not reality, not even a facsimile, but an entertainment. Fake, just like America specializes in. Rather than show the nitty-gritty, we'll pull your heartstrings, will make you laugh, you had a good time, right?

But it's like eating a Twinkie. You think you want one, but it's never as satisfying as your desire. You desire something more real. But there are playlists to fill, tours to sell, we've got a whole industry that refuses to put on the brakes and ask if we're going in the right direction. We're Detroit, with just a lot fewer zeroes.

And the plethora of people who line up to play our game, to be contestants on "American Idol", delivers the hope that people still care. But they don't, because winners on the show become fourth rate celebrities that most people just don't give a shit about. Kelly Clarkson made it when MTV was still a viable hitmaking machine, she could be sold far and wide (and she was the beneficiary of a great Max Martin/Dr. Luke track.) Carrie Underwood is living in the old fading sausage factory known as country music. Where titans with tight fists believe terrestrial radio and CDs will rule forever, however deluded they might be. But the newly-minted idols, they're entering a world where train-wrecks are posted all over the Web, almost instantly, and are then forgotten.

If you want to last, you've got to build slowly. You've got to be selling something beyond your desire to be rich and famous. You've got to get fans yourself. And, you've got to be satisfied when you can give up your day job, because today, even if you're on the cover of "People", you may still have to work 9-5. Being famous is easy. Making people care is much harder.

So "American Idol" is a perpetuation of the nineties. It's as if TRL didn't go off the air. As if boy bands still ruled the earth. As if albums still had diamond sales. Contestants want some of that nineties fame. But it's the twenty first century. And to the degree that old paradigm works, it's marginal, it's a very small mainstream. But there is no new mainstream. So people hold on to the old. But true seers, performers who want to survive, are trying to figure out the new world, trying to become the new classic rock acts, famous for their material and their chops, however difficult that may be. They're like the Claptons of yore. They're driven to do this. They just want to survive. They'll be stunned if they ever become rich and famous.

Because if you put being rich and famous first, you've got nothing that makes you attractive, that makes you desirable. And we need more. A pretty face is not enough.

paulisded
05-13-2009, 12:30 PM
Some good points in this rant about last week's sales figures:


1. Chrisette Michelle (Or is it Michelle Chrisette? What kind of fucked up world do we live in where almost no one in America knows the name of the holder of the number one album?) "Epiphany"

Sales this week: 83,468
Debut

So what are her Pollstar numbers?

So she grossed $800,000. Sounds like less than one Eagles private. And believe me, thirty years on (never mind the sixty of Elton!), no one in the Fortune 500 will be paying her to sing.

My "Epiphany" is sales numbers are no longer the number one barometer.


2. Hannah Montana "Soundtrack"

Sales this week: 81,533
Percentage change: -5
Weeks on: 7
Cume: 826,012

Weird when an album that loses five percent of its previous week's sales ends up at number two, but I must say, I'm surprised by the resilience of this collection. Then again, I was reading Dolly Parton hype (skimming, to be honest), and she said she only appeared on "Hannah Montana" twice, but since they rerun the show ad infinitum, everywhere she goes kids call out AUNT DOLLY!

This is not about music, this is about money. No different from selling Snuggies. With a shelf life barely longer.


3. Ciara "Fantasy Ride"

Sales this week: 80,890
Debut

Don't you love the modern era? Where there are enough diversions that you can completely avoid what's being hyped in the mainstream and not give a shit? (Then again, I am fascinated by the "Jon & Kate Plus Eight" marriage... You go on TV and you expect not to be picked apart? Or are they having the last laugh, was the marriage already kaput and they just wanted some of that TLC money. Didn't TLC once upon a time stand for "The Learning Channel"? What exactly are we learning here, that education is irrelevant, that rather than trying to play sports or be a rapper you should just get on a reality television show?)


4. Rascal Flatts "Unstoppable"

Sales this week: 57,987
Percentage change: +10
Weeks on: 5
Cume: 636,887

Loved the title track to their last album, "Still Feels Good". It's got that hair blowing in the wind with the top down feel that goes all the way back to the Beach Boys. The playing and singing on this new album is just as good, it's just that the material is substandard, almost completely unmemorable. And I tried. Played the album more than once, all the way through, looking to be hooked. I was not.


5. Bob Dylan "Together Through Life"

Sales this week: 50,734
Percentage change: -59
Weeks on: 2
Cume: 176,613

If this record was released by Joe Schmo, it never would have made the chart. This album is selling based on the brand name, and that's it.


7. Taylor Swift "Fearless"

Sales this week: 40,534
Percentage change: +42
Weeks on: 26
Cume: 3,189,543

Songs. That's what's selling this record.

Whether you adore that she's so young and innocent, or hate it, bottom line, you listen to the album and it makes sense. You don't need a decoder ring, there are melodies, changes, hooks, YOU CAN SING ALONG! And there's an honesty absent in so much of not only the mainstream crap, but the country crap.


9. Ben Harper & Relentless 7 "White Lies For Dark Times"

Sales this week: 34,363
Debut

The white lie is the manager telling Ben that anybody still cares.

Mr. Harper built up momentum, and then when it was time to deliver the killer track, that cemented his viability, he didn't. It was all anticipation and no release. His career has been floundering for years. I like him, I like his music, but I've stopped telling people he's a cult item who is about to break.


13. Nickelback "Dark Horse"

Sales this week: 28,164
Percentage change: +12
Weeks on: 25
Cume: 1,910,309

They're not good-looking, they don't work with Timbaland or Dre, they're not on TMZ or PerezHilton, they've got no buzz. But it turns out selling albums and tickets for a long time is not about buzz. Buzz is the start. Nickelback broke with a couple of hit singles. Now the public feels they'll get pure rock and roll. And that seems to be what they want. You can pooh-pooh, but you only WISH you were part of the cash juggernaut.


16. Kings Of Leon "Only By The Night"

Sales this week: 23,919
Percentage change: +4
Weeks on: 33
Cume: 672,889

I just wish I liked them more. Wouldn't it be great if the new white hope were truly transcendent as opposed to being a couple of steps beyond serviceable?


17. Kelly Clarkson "All I Ever Wanted"

Sales this week: 23,290
Percentage change: +27
Weeks on: 9
Cume: 550,236

Turn her into a rocker.

Instead of being debated for being overweight at Wango Tango, she'd be seen as a blues mama. She shouldn't be doing radio shows, but BONNAROO!

She's got the wrong manager. Those single tracks aren't what they used to be. And she can truly sing. She should have guested with the Allmans at the Beacon. She should trade licks with Sammy Hagar at the Chickenfoot show at the Roxy next week. She needs an exit strategy, this pop world is shrinking and she's dependent on the next hit, when she should be riding her voice into Janis Joplin territory.


19. Keith Urban "Defying Gravity"

Sales this week: 22,348
Percentage change: +21
Weeks on: 6
Cume: 334,653

I heard "Who Wouldn't Wanna Be Me" last night and I about creamed in my jeans. He can play the guitar, he can sing, but he's decided to play by the rules and put out an album that might work on country radio but slides right off of fans.

This guy is SO good. Every rock fan of yore, who's going to the nostalgia shows of the has-beens, they should go to a Keith Urban gig. He's alive and kicking, with four axemen on the front line.

I am SO disappointed with this album. I played it again and again and again trying to convince myself that I was wrong, that it had redeeming elements, that it contained greatness. Alas, it does not.

A misfire.


21. Zac Brown Band "Foundation"

Sales this week: 21,995
Percentage change: +14
Weeks on: 25
Cume: 490,353

"Chicken Fried" is a very good cut. Unfortunately, the rest of the album is not better than this almost novelty song.

Jimmy Buffett was seen as second-tier in the seventies, at least prior to "Margaritaville". But his early albums contained gem after gem. There was artistry. But this overhyped Zac Brown album is made for the radio, not the museum. These country acts put commercialism number one, they don't reach for the artistic brass ring, or don't have the chops. It's a sorry situation.

We recognize greatness. Zac Brown is good, not great, unfortunately.


38. Depeche Mode "Sounds Of The Universe"

Sales this week: 14,191
Percentage change: -35
Weeks on: 3
Cume: 116,496

The core needs no new music. And the hype seems to indicate that the mainstream cares. But this is untrue. Old goths will go to the show, but no one needs new Depeche Mode music.

They should have put out ONE cover and then gone on the road. Convinced us, with a great remake, like the one they did of "Route 66".


40. Conor Oberst & the Mystic Valley Band "Outer South"

Sales this week: 13,913
Debut

Can we all finally agree, that Mr. Oberst did not live up to his potential? Maybe that he wasn't that good to begin with?


41. Yusuf "Roadsinger"

Sales this week: 13,698
Debut

He can make secular records, high-priced videos, even go on tour, BUT HE CAN'T CALL HIMSELF CAT STEVENS??

This makes no sense to me. In the same country where most people have no idea what the number one record is, people are supposed to connect the dots that a guy who hasn't graced the hit parade in decades has a new release under a different name?

I can't believe there's a religious reason he can't use his old stage moniker.

Meanwhile, the album is CLOSE, but not close enough.

And he's spending all that pent-up capital.

Maybe next time.


What sells music is not marketing, but what's in the grooves.

The labels are blaming the customers, that all they want to do is steal. But even if P2P piracy ended tomorrow, the sales for the above albums would not rise dramatically. Because most people just don't care. They care about the new "Star Trek" movie... Paramount got a director with a track record, hooked him up with a franchise and let him loose. And ended up with quality. Kind of like Mutt and Nickelback, if Nickelback were a truly great band.

We need music that sells itself. And we just haven't got enough of that.

We've got all kinds of prognosticating how to make money, just not enough thinking how to get people away from their video games and TV sets to listen to music. Where's the excitement? When everybody knows the young acts don't write and oftentimes can't sing? You need honesty, credibility and authenticity to sell music, all wrapped up in good voices, changes, harmonies and hooks. We might get a track or two now and again, but then there's nothing under the surface, no continuity, you check out the album and it's dreck.

This won't be the situation forever. With the lack of revenue in the music world, the posers are going to move on and the real musicians are going to take over. There just isn't enough of a reward if you're not real, you've got to love to play! And these unfettered players will concoct genuine songs that will elate us when we hear them. The big bosses won't be controlling them, because the big bosses will be gone.

It can only get better.

But to blame today's sorry state on the customer is a grave mistake. Sales suck because the customer thinks new music has got the nutritional value of a Twinkie, it's like minor league baseball, entertaining, but not the real thing.

The real thing is the Beatles and all those ancient bands still treading the boards in sold out arenas. Most of whom can no longer write a decent tune, they're so concerned with managing their money. But what inspired these people can inspire a whole new generation. It's about the sound! Music is something you hear, not something you sell! Got that?

JerseyRich
05-13-2009, 12:38 PM
9. Ben Harper & Relentless 7 "White Lies For Dark Times"

Sales this week: 34,363
Debut

The white lie is the manager telling Ben that anybody still cares.

Mr. Harper built up momentum, and then when it was time to deliver the killer track, that cemented his viability, he didn't. It was all anticipation and no release. His career has been floundering for years. I like him, I like his music, but I've stopped telling people he's a cult item who is about to break.

Couldn't agree more.

KnoxHarrington
05-13-2009, 05:11 PM
It's amazing to see that the recording industry is so far in the shitter now that you can sell 35,000 copies of a record and crack the top 10.

I gotta think that in the glory days, 10-15 years ago, 35,000 barely got you in the top 200.

Kublakhan61
05-13-2009, 05:20 PM
Couldn't agree more.

I particularly like where he took connor oberst down a peg.

DarkHippie
05-13-2009, 05:24 PM
9. Ben Harper & Relentless 7 "White Lies For Dark Times"

Sales this week: 34,363
Debut

The white lie is the manager telling Ben that anybody still cares.

Mr. Harper built up momentum, and then when it was time to deliver the killer track, that cemented his viability, he didn't. It was all anticipation and no release. His career has been floundering for years. I like him, I like his music, but I've stopped telling people he's a cult item who is about to break.

I reviewed this album last week for suite101 (http://http://pop-music.suite101.com/article.cfm/album_review_ben_harper_and_relentless7). It is actually a pretty good album, worth a listen.