NFL Offseason Discussion

[lleeder]

I'm no mod but if I were I'd change the NFL Season Thread to the NFL Playoffs thread and make this a seperate offseason thread. The coaching carousel has begun and most teams are looking to change things up. Lets keep those non playoff teams away from everybody else. If not lock this and merge it.

[weekapaugjz]

a team that needed to change things up didn't. the bills kept jauron. :flush:

[cougarjake13]

the reg season thread will become the playoff thread then the off season thread

[lleeder]

the reg season thread will become the playoff thread then the off season thread

Yeah but there is a seperate offseason that already started. Keep that loser stank away from the real teams.

[cougarjake13]

Yeah but there is a seperate offseason that already started. Keep that loser stank away from the real teams.

true


im just going by past experiences on the board

[lleeder]

true


im just going by past experiences on the board

People make up the board. "We the people" its up to us to show everyone else how to make things run well here. Let checks and balances take over if they disagree.

[cougarjake13]

People make up the board. "We the people" its up to us to show everyone else how to make things run well here. Let checks and balances take over if they disagree.



sadly this isnt a democracy

its a modocracy

[weekapaugjz]

this thread should be a poll.

[JimBeam]

I'm sure every team has it's insane fans that'll say anything when their teams don't win but some of these Patriot fans' claims are down right crazy :

http://barstoolsports.com/randomthoughts/2008/12/28/?comments=10448#should_league_intervene_let_playof fs_comments

I love the posts by the ant-Patriots fans w/ this being my favorite :

Not making the playoffs is a good thing. The Patriots organization has a couple of extra weeks to prepare for the draft, and Patriots fans have a couple of extra weeks to go fuck themselves.

[cougarjake13]

this thread should be a poll.

the bills would still lose

[underdog]

Sources: Pats to franchise Cassel (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3809444&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

Duh.

[epo]

Sources: Pats to franchise Cassel (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3809444&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

Duh.

No doubt. Snoogans broke that weeks ago.

[underdog]

No doubt. Snoogans broke that weeks ago.

I can't believe anyone could have ever thought differently.

[epo]

Its been like Christmas all over again for my Packers.

First, awful Special Teams coach Mike Stock retires: (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/37018649.html)

The first domino on the Packers' coaching staff has fallen: Special teams coordinator Mike Stock announced his retirement this evening after three seasons with the team.

Stock's special team's units fared poorly throughout this season -- they declined in every category but punt return average -- and his future with the Packers was very much in doubt

Then hideous Defensive Coordinator Bob Sanders is reportedly fired: (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/37069879.html)

Green Bay Packers defensive coordinator Bob Sanders has been fired by coach Mike McCarthy, according to a report at nationalfootballpost.com.

Its like this ridiculous nightmare has finally come to an end.

[Bossanova]

Its been like Christmas all over again for my Packers.

First, awful Special Teams coach Mike Stock retires: (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/37018649.html)



Then hideous Defensive Coordinator Bob Sanders is reportedly fired: (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/37069879.html)



Its like this ridiculous nightmare has finally come to an end.

This just in. Brett Favre to join the Packers for one last hoorah

[epo]

This just in. Brett Favre to join the Packers for one last hoorah

All I can say is......

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Bossanova]

All I can say is......

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

HAHA! Well we are trying to get him out of Florham Park as fast as we can. I don't even like the Jets and I hate the bum

[epo]

HAHA! Well we are trying to get him out of Florham Park as fast as we can. I don't even like the Jets and I hate the bum

Just for those threatening words, I hope Andy Reid & Donovan McNabb stay in Philly forever! FOREVER!

[Bossanova]

Just for those threatening words, I hope Andy Reid & Donovan McNabb stay in Philly forever! FOREVER!

I thought we were elitest buddies...................................:sad:

[epo]

I thought we were elitest buddies...................................:sad:

You know that I only think of you when drinking single malt scotch.

[Bossanova]

You know that I only think of you when drinking single malt scotch.

HAHA! as I you

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Jets Fans, Bronco Fans, Cheifs Fans Cowboy Fans, Skins Fans


please post here for your unimportant crap

[Snoogans]

Jets Fans, Bronco Fans, Cheifs Fans Cowboy Fans, Skins Fans


please post here for your unimportant crap

this is the offseason thread, not the playoffs thread. This is where they should be posting

[disneyspy]

how dare you include the chiefs fans!

[underdog]

Jets Fans, Bronco Fans, Cheifs Fans Cowboy Fans, Skins Fans


please post here for your unimportant crap

I think according to Hottub, you need to add a poll in order to make a new thread when there's already a perfectly good one.

[cougarjake13]

Its been like Christmas all over again for my Packers.

First, awful Special Teams coach Mike Stock retires: (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/37018649.html)



Then hideous Defensive Coordinator Bob Sanders is reportedly fired: (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/37069879.html)



Its like this ridiculous nightmare has finally come to an end.


crennell or marinelli possibly ??

[Snoogans]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA JETS ARE FUCKIN AWESOME (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2009/01/06/2009-01-06_bill_cowher_confirms_woody_johnson_snub_-2.html)


Bill Cowher, in his first extensive comments about his ill-fated flirtation with the Jets, said Tuesday morning there was a "very, very slim chance" that he would've accepted an offer to the coach the team, but the former Steelers coach confirmed that he wanted to meet with owner Woody Johnson to "get some kind of closure."

Cowher, appearing on WFAN's "Boomer and Carton Show," made like a politician, sidestepping a lot of questions. But he did make one definitive statement: There's no chance he will coach the Jets this season.

Asked if he'd take a meeting with Johnson if the owner called and apologized for not speaking with him last week, Cowher said, "No, not at this point. I've committed myself. I'm not going to coach next year."
Asked if there's anything Johnson could've said to change his mind about staying with CBS, Cowher said: "Those are hypotheticals. I can't answer that because I don't know. If I was going to close the door to coming back, I wouldn't have listened to anybody and I would've come out and said that. There's a part of me that is going to listen, but I have an option right now (his CBS job) and I don't want to close the door on that. Realistically speaking, there's probably a very, very slim chance I would even come back this year ... I've tried to stay open-minded throughout the process and I've been willing to listen. I don't want to come across as someone who is smug."

[Kevin]

ESPN.com is reporting that Mangini has agreed to a 4year deal with the Browns.

[cougarjake13]

ESPN.com is reporting that Mangini has agreed to a 4year deal with the Browns.

did the interview a black guy ?? or did the not have to since they just fired one ??


i dont remember hearing them interviewing one as per the rooney rule

[Kevin]

did the interview a black guy ?? or did the not have to since they just fired one ??


i dont remember hearing them interviewing one as per the rooney rule



No idea.

[lleeder]

ESPN.com is reporting that Mangini has agreed to a 4year deal with the Browns.

Do they play the Jets next year or is the schedule not out yet?

[Marc with a c]

did the interview a black guy ?? or did the not have to since they just fired one ??


i dont remember hearing them interviewing one as per the rooney rule

italian is close enough.

[Kevin]

Do they play the Jets next year or is the schedule not out yet?



That goes out sometimes after the SB, but Who plays what div, year per year, is set years in advance.

[Kevin]

italian is close enough.



Good point.

[KnoxHarrington]

Oh, this is gonna be fun. The Cowboys cut Pacman "Adam" Jones today. And in their reporting on the story, ESPN dropped this bombshell:

On ESPN today (courtesy of MDS at Fanhouse), John Barr came on the air and said that Pacman Jones was involved in a SECOND club shooting back in 2007. And no, I'm not talking about the one in Vegas that led to his original suspension, I'm talking about a completely different one.

"While under NFL suspension in 2007, Pacman Jones was the man behind a shooting that followed a dispute inside a nightclub," Barr reported. "There are also allegations that he offered to pay an accused murderer to do this shooting."

Barr made it known that he was not referring to the incident in February of 2007, which left a man paralyzed.

"The information that we have relates to an incident four months after that, while Jones was on suspension," Barr said.


What a fucking piece of shit. The guy gets the chance to make millions playing a game for a living, and totally blows it because he wants to be a "thug". I hope this puts his ass in prison so he can meet some real "thugs" who'll have him wearing a wig with tits tattooed on his back in no time. Fuck him.

http://www.faniq.com/blog/Pacman-Jones-Involved-In-2007-Club-Shooting-Different-From-Las-Vegas-Shooting-Blog-17409

[cougarjake13]

Do they play the Jets next year or is the schedule not out yet?

its out


b/c of the bengals tie they finish 3rd and play the jets instead of cleveland



HOME

AFC East — Buffalo (7-9), Miami (11-5), New England (11-5)

AFC North — Cincinnati (4-11-1): Bengals won their last three to pass Browns for third place, and return to the Meadowlands next year, where they have lost seven straight to the Jets.

AFC South — Tennessee (13-3): AFC's top seed and a Jets opponent for fourth straight year but for the first time at home since 2003). Jacksonville (5-11): Also the Jaguars' first Meadowlands visit since '03, comeback win for Green & White, and '05, shoulder disaster for Chad Pennington and Jay Fiedler).

NFC South — Atlanta (11-5): Jets host Falcons, led in by Matt Ryan and John Abraham, for first times in 11 years. Carolina (12-4) Panthers, who dueled Giants for NFC's top seed, last played Jets at Meadowlands in '98.

AWAY

AFC East — Buffalo (7-9), Miami (11-5), New England (11-5)

AFC South — Indianapolis (12-4): First game in Lucas Oil Stadium against Peyton Manning and Colts, who had a strong '08 finish. Houston (8-8): Jets' only game at Reliant Stadium was '03 come-from-behind win over Texans.

AFC West — Oakland (5-11): Green & White, who enjoyed their Oakland years a while back, return to the Bay area for the second straight year vs. the Silver & Black.

NFC South — New Orleans (8-8): Drew Brees and Saints' prolific offense will be waiting in Jets' first Superdome visit since '01 Sunday night triumph. Tampa Bay (9-7): Jets haven't played at the Buccaneers since Wayne Chrebet "Flashlight Game" win in 2000.

[epo]

crennell or marinelli possibly ??

I would bet Winston Moss or Mike Nolan will be the Packers next defensive coordinator.

[NickyL0885]

Jets need to trade Coles. Trade him for the highest pick they can get. They have too many possession receivers. They need a speed guy who can get separation. I would also look to deal Shaun Ellis.

[cougarjake13]

I would bet Winston Moss or Mike Nolan will be the Packers next defensive coordinator.

looking like nolan

[IMSlacker]

Welcome to the party, Giants fans.

[scottinnj]

Injury more serious then originally reported.

His injury he got during the game against the Browns was not a head concussion, but a spinal cord concussion.

Story Here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3828762).

[epo]

looking like nolan

It looks like they are going to wait for Philadelphia Eagles secondary coach Sean McDermott.

[epo]

Injury more serious then originally reported.

His injury he got during the game against the Browns was not a head concussion, but a spinal cord concussion.

Story Here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3828762).

Yea....I'll buy in totally now. He's a tough sombitch.

[Friday]

Injury more serious then originally reported.

His injury he got during the game against the Browns was not a head concussion, but a spinal cord concussion.

Story Here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3828762).

holy moly.
and he rocked out on Sunday... i am hoping they make it to the big game.
they look so good.

[King Imp]

I'm sorry, but I have to say I am extremely disgusted with some of the players on the Giants right now.

A report came out earlier today that said that Jacobs, Manning and Tuck all wanted Burress back. Jesus Fucking Christ! Are you that pathetic that you have no confidence that you can win without this asshole and would rather welcome back a thug who was a major distraction instead of trying to move forward and actually figure out how to win without him?

Here's a clue. Go out and get another 6'4"-6'6" WR who actually knows how to jump and puts in an effort on the field and you'll forget all about that scumbag quickly. Any WR who is tall and can jump can easily do what Burress did and more. I guarantee it.

[KnoxHarrington]

The stories that the Giants want Plax back make no fucking sense. No with some of the WR's who are unrestricted free agents, such as T.J. Houzmenzadeh (damn, did I butcher his name, sorry dude), who are much better than he is, and don't try putting loaded guns down their fucking sweatpants.

Let his ass go. He does not fit what Coughlin wants to do. I'm too lazy to log in to my board character now, but I know one team he deserves to play for.

[Snoogans]

from espn.com

DALLAS -- Hall of Fame receiver Michael Irvin says he calmly chatted with a gunman in another vehicle after the armed passenger turned out to be a Dallas Cowboys fan.

Irvin, who was not harmed, says he was "very afraid."

A Dallas police report says Irvin was stopped at a red light Monday night in North Dallas when two men in a truck pulled up next to him.

The driver rolled down his window, so Irvin did the same, thinking the two men recognized the radio talk show host and television commentator.

The passenger flashed a gun. Then the retired NFL star heard one of them call out his name and mentioned being a "huge Cowboy fan."

"The passenger pulled out a semiautomatic and I knew what time it was," Irvin told the Dallas Morning News. "But he said, 'Oh, that's Michael Irvin, with the Dallas Cowboys.' "

Irvin says he began talking with the men about the team's disappointing 9-7 season and Dallas not making it to the Super Bowl.

"So we started talking about the Cowboys and everything," Irvin said in the Morning News. "Then they got back on the highway."

The pair eventually drove off.

"I tell you what, I'm glad he was a Cowboy fan," Irvin told the Morning News.

[jauble]

from espn.com

DALLAS -- Hall of Fame receiver Michael Irvin says he calmly chatted with a gunman in another vehicle after the armed passenger turned out to be a Dallas Cowboys fan.

Irvin, who was not harmed, says he was "very afraid."

A Dallas police report says Irvin was stopped at a red light Monday night in North Dallas when two men in a truck pulled up next to him.

The driver rolled down his window, so Irvin did the same, thinking the two men recognized the radio talk show host and television commentator.

The passenger flashed a gun. Then the retired NFL star heard one of them call out his name and mentioned being a "huge Cowboy fan."

"The passenger pulled out a semiautomatic and I knew what time it was," Irvin told the Dallas Morning News. "But he said, 'Oh, that's Michael Irvin, with the Dallas Cowboys.' "

Irvin says he began talking with the men about the team's disappointing 9-7 season and Dallas not making it to the Super Bowl.

"So we started talking about the Cowboys and everything," Irvin said in the Morning News. "Then they got back on the highway."

The pair eventually drove off.

"I tell you what, I'm glad he was a Cowboy fan," Irvin told the Morning News.

How did you even find the article? That new layout is so confusing.

[Snoogans]

How did you even find the article? That new layout is so confusing.

on the main page, all the headlines are top right side just like they always were. The layout isnt all that different for the sports and main stories, it just changes up underneath the main shit

[jauble]

on the main page, all the headlines are top right side just like they always were. The layout isnt all that different for the sports and main stories, it just changes up underneath the main shit

You are joking too right?

[Snoogans]

You are joking too right?

oh shit. I didnt even catch that Fez jab. I thought you were serious

[PD]

best thing so far about Jets last season
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/01/01/gal_sterger-6.jpg

[cougarjake13]

best thing so far about Jets last season
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/01/01/gal_sterger-6.jpg




ahhh jen sterger :devil2:

[razorboy]

http://www.nfl.com/ headline, Jon Gruden fired.

This is fucking awesome! Now we just have to get rid of Allen. Best news I've gotten in a long time. Bye bye, Chucktwat the Clown.

Edit: Now Allen gone too. I'm in a state of euphoria.

[lleeder]

This sucks now theres another potential Spagnuolo job. I thought he might end up staying.

[razorboy]

This sucks now theres another potential Spagnuolo job. I thought he might end up staying.

The fact that they fired Allen so quickly as well makes me think they already know who they're hiring and have them in house (e.g. Raheem Morris) or they might have an agreement with a GM/coach (e.g. Schottenheimer, Shanahan, Cowher).

[cougarjake13]

The fact that they fired Allen so quickly as well makes me think they already know who they're hiring and have them in house (e.g. Raheem Morris) or they might have an agreement with a GM/coach (e.g. Schottenheimer, Shanahan, Cowher).

i hope its not cowher

[razorboy]

I should say there is also a good chance that they'll just promote Mark Dominik to GM.

[razorboy]

i hope its not cowher

I don't really want him either. Not because he is a bad coach, but because I don't want to put the entire defense through the overhaul it would take to switch to the atheletes needed for the 3-4 defense. Of the three Shanahan would seem to make the most sense, but in all honestly I'd be happy just to give the reins to Morris and just go through the growing pains.

[cougarjake13]

gruden

where does he go ??



im saying maybe back to oakland

or

last year he wanted favre in tampa, maybe he goes to the jets ??

[razorboy]

gruden

where does he go ??



im saying maybe back to oakland

or

last year he wanted favre in tampa, maybe he goes to the jets ??

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c297/razorboy_/DallasStar.jpg??

It wouldn't shock me.

[cougarjake13]

yeh hadnt thought of that since phillips is still there... for now

[SP1!]

I can't believe chucky got fired, I thought he was really safe

[razorboy]

I can't believe chucky got fired, I thought he was really safe

I can understand that for those outside of the area, but the rumblings here in Tampa were getting pretty loud.

[cougarjake13]

people have been calling for his firing since 2005 when they went one and done in the playoffs after winning the division with pre spleen loss chris simms

[razorboy]

Local media (quickly followed by ESPN's Pat Yasinskas) are reporting that Raheem Morris has been promoted to head coach and Mark Dominik has been promoted to Buccaneers GM. This is exactly what I was hoping for. Now we only need an OC. I wouldn't mind giving Jeff Jagodzinski a call at all.

[SP1!]

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcsouth/0-7-100/Bucs--new-regime-already-taking-place.html

Yeah thats a good idea tampa, hire from within on a team that underachieved and a defensive coordinator that got fired from new orleans for being shittty.

LOL as an atlanta fan these moves have pleased me greatly.

[SP1!]

Local media (quickly followed by ESPN's Pat Yasinskas) are reporting that Raheem Morris has been promoted to head coach and Mark Dominik has been promoted to Buccaneers GM. This is exactly what I was hoping for. Now we only need an OC. I wouldn't mind giving Jeff Jagodzinski a call at all.

Why would you hope for this? This is the same defense that folded like the offense, hell they got smacked by oakland, fucking oakland! This team is gonna get a lot worse before they get better, is it that they are pissed cause detroit took their winless record away?

[razorboy]

Why would you hope for this? This is the same defense that folded like the offense, hell they got smacked by oakland, fucking oakland! This team is gonna get a lot worse before they get better, is it that they are pissed cause detroit took their winless record away?

You obviously know nothing about Raheem. He is raved about by players and coaches on this team and around the league. He was a finalist for the Denver job, and if he wasn't coaching here he'd be a HC somewhere else next year. Our defensive back play absolutely dissolved the year that he was the DC at K-State and rebounded remarkably last year and this year when he came back. The problem with the defense this year certainly wasn't Raheem. We had a team that had zero respect for the head coach and were only playing for themselves and for Monte. When Monte announced he was leaving there was an expected letdown. As for Dominik he is a great young front office mind. If it hadn't been for Pioli agreeing to go to KC, Mark would be the GM there right now. Some rebuilding is expected, but the Bucs actually have a great deal of promising youth at all positions on the defense, save the D-Line. The main area of rebuilding will have to take place on the offense (Gruden's supposed area of expertise), which has been shite since Chucktwat the Clown got here. You'd actually have to know something about the organization, but these are very good moves indeed.

[cougarjake13]

You obviously know nothing about Raheem. He is raved about by players and coaches on this team and around the league. He was a finalist for the Denver job, and if he wasn't coaching here he'd be a HC somewhere else next year. Our defensive back play absolutely dissolved the year that he was the DC at K-State and rebounded remarkably last year and this year when he came back. The problem with the defense this year certainly wasn't Raheem. We had a team that had zero respect for the head coach and were only playing for themselves and for Monte. When Monte announced he was leaving there was an expected letdown. As for Dominik he is a great young front office mind. If it hadn't been for Pioli agreeing to go to KC, Mark would be the GM there right now. Some rebuilding is expected, but the Bucs actually have a great deal of promising youth at all positions on the defense, save the D-Line. Th main area of rebuilding will have to take place on the offense (Gruden's supposed area of expertise), which has been shite since Chucktwat the Clown got here. You'd actually have to know something about the organization, but these are very good moves indeed.



yeh grudens or allen whoever was making the picks didnt do well with the 1st rd offensive picks

williams .. great first half of first season, injured most the rest of his time
clayton .. had a great 1st yr but for whatever reason hasnt come close since



main question will be who is the qb ?? with the new coach i dont think garcia will be back
greise is prob gonna be the backup unless they cant get some one else in, mccown is a free agent, josh johnson was just drafted last year

mc nabb is prob gonna stay an eagle now, esp if they win the super bowl
cassell is at least a patriot until the trade deadline


here's the list of other free agent qb's

Quarterback:
Patrick Ramsey, UFA, Denver Broncos
Charlie Batch, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Boller, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Matt Cassel, UFA, New England Patriots
Rex Grossman, UFA, Chicago Bears
Byron Leftwich, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
J.P. Losman, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Kyle Orton, UFA, Chicago Bears
Kurt Warner, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Jeff Garcia, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Charlie Frye UFA Seattle Seahawks
Brooks Bollinger UFA Dallas Cowboys
Chris Simms UFA Tennessee Titans
J.T. O’Sullivan UFA San Francisco 49ers
Matt Gutierrez UFA New England Patriots
Gibran Hamdan UFA Buffalo Bills
Luke McCown UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Brock Berlin RFA St Louis Rams
Shane Boyd RFA Houston Texans




leftwich or losman would be good

[razorboy]

yeh grudens or allen whoever was making the picks didnt do well with the 1st rd offensive picks

williams .. great first half of first season, injured most the rest of his time
clayton .. had a great 1st yr but for whatever reason hasnt come close since



main question will be who is the qb ?? with the new coach i dont think garcia will be back
greise is prob gonna be the backup unless they cant get some one else in, mccown is a free agent, josh johnson was just drafted last year

mc nabb is prob gonna stay an eagle now, esp if they win the super bowl
cassell is at least a patriot until the trade deadline


here's the list of other free agent qb's

Quarterback:
Patrick Ramsey, UFA, Denver Broncos
Charlie Batch, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Boller, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Matt Cassel, UFA, New England Patriots
Rex Grossman, UFA, Chicago Bears
Byron Leftwich, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
J.P. Losman, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Kyle Orton, UFA, Chicago Bears
Kurt Warner, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Jeff Garcia, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Charlie Frye UFA Seattle Seahawks
Brooks Bollinger UFA Dallas Cowboys
Chris Simms UFA Tennessee Titans
J.T. O’Sullivan UFA San Francisco 49ers
Matt Gutierrez UFA New England Patriots
Gibran Hamdan UFA Buffalo Bills
Luke McCown UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Brock Berlin RFA St Louis Rams
Shane Boyd RFA Houston Texans




leftwich or losman would be good

Not saying he'll be the guy or that I even want him to be the guy, but he is a hell of a lot more talented than he ever got credit for here. For whatever reason he got in Gruden's doghouse and as anyone who follows the Bucs will tell you, once you are in you never get out. He will actually go out of his way to spite you like all of the sudden moving Griese from third on the depth chart to second the week that Garcia gets hurt. I'm not sure who the QB will be, but a novel idea (for this franchise, at least) would be actually developing a young QB. That's one reason I would love to bring Jeff Jagodzinski in here.

[cougarjake13]

Not saying he'll be the guy or that I even want him to be the guy, but he is a hell of a lot more talented than he ever got credit for here. For whatever reason he got in Gruden's doghouse and as anyone who follows the Bucs will tell you, once you are in you never get out. He will actually go out of his way to spite you like all of the sudden moving Griese from third on the depth chart to second the week that Garcia gets hurt. I'm not sure who the QB will be, but a novel idea (for this franchise, at least) would be actually developing a young QB. That's one reason I would love to bring Jeff Jagodzinski in here.

that was never gonna happen under gruden

[SP1!]

My point remains is that how good of a coach could he be if the defense got manhandled against oakland? Their defense completely disappeared down the stretch and both of you are telling me it was because they all just hated gruden? Usually when a team as pathetic as oakland scores that much its because the defense is getting repetitive or tipping off their schemes.

Also from what I read he only interviewed for the broncos job and that was a favor to their QB coach who was retained to help search and was an old friend when they coached together in tampa, he was far from a finalist for that job.

Either way its nice to see tampa fall back to where they were for the first 20 years of their existence as doormats.

[razorboy]

Your information couldn't be more incorrect. We shall see how it works out.

[underdog]

Your information couldn't be more incorrect. We shall see how it works out.

Have you seen any of his other posts? He's been far more incorrect in before.

[cougarjake13]

My point remains is that how good of a coach could he be if the defense got manhandled against oakland? Their defense completely disappeared down the stretch and both of you are telling me it was because they all just hated gruden? Usually when a team as pathetic as oakland scores that much its because the defense is getting repetitive or tipping off their schemes.

Also from what I read he only interviewed for the broncos job and that was a favor to their QB coach who was retained to help search and was an old friend when they coached together in tampa, he was far from a finalist for that job.

Either way its nice to see tampa fall back to where they were for the first 20 years of their existence as doormats.



that defense was still under the direction of kiffin, not morris


the one thing i'd be worried about is that after they announced that morris was gonna be the new def coord the players didnt react well in terms of how they played

[SP1!]

Have you seen any of his other posts? He's been far more incorrect in before.
Most of my posts are right in the log run, people just refuse tp admit it since they were wrong.

Tampa will be doing good to finish above .500 next year and if cadillac would have remained healthy you would be talking about how great gruden was.

The point goes back to the owners coddling their players and not doing what's right for the team. The players went and complained to get him fired, if the giants owners listened to the players the giants wouldn't have a super bowl win.

And yeah it was just the secondary he was in charge of, but it was ranked near the botttom of the league as well and only played one decent game towards the end of the season, ignore it all you want but it happened.

[PD]

seems Spanuolo going to Rams

http://www.kansascity.com/491/story/986594.html

[razorboy]

Tampa will be doing good to finish above .500 next year and if cadillac would have remained healthy you would be talking about how great gruden was.

Those words would NEVER leave my mouth.

As far as the secondary goes, they gave up the fourth fewest passing yards per game and had the third most interceptions in the league, all without ANY pass rush to speak of which the Tampa two is almost entirely based upon.

[cougarjake13]

watching the raheem morris presser



he kinda looks like a younger michael strahan, minus the tooth gap

[cougarjake13]

Most of my posts are right in the log run, people just refuse tp admit it since they were wrong.

Tampa will be doing good to finish above .500 next year and if cadillac would have remained healthy you would be talking about how great gruden was.

The point goes back to the owners coddling their players and not doing what's right for the team. The players went and complained to get him fired, if the giants owners listened to the players the giants wouldn't have a super bowl win.

And yeah it was just the secondary he was in charge of, but it was ranked near the botttom of the league as well and only played one decent game towards the end of the season, ignore it all you want but it happened.




a healthy cadillac wouldnt have helped much to solve the bucs problems


one main prob was garcia ... his fragile body (07) and fragile ego (08)
outside of galloway they had no real wr threat
rotating backfield with cadillac graham dunn
o line was horrible til 07-08
def getting older but they started to fix that with the last 2 drafts

[SP1!]

a healthy cadillac wouldnt have helped much to solve the bucs problems


one main prob was garcia ... his fragile body (07) and fragile ego (08)
outside of galloway they had no real wr threat
rotating backfield with cadillac graham dunn
o line was horrible til 07-08
def getting older but they started to fix that with the last 2 drafts
I understand all of that but a strong running game makes a QB better, the falcons are a good example of that this year. Turner made the whole better and ryan hitting receivers helped, if they any kind of running threat it would have opened up the passinganes. That's football 101.

Even with all the accolades others are giving him theor secondary ranked 19th overall, its wasn't that great. I don't see him being the savior for the team, its obvious thw owners are letting the players call the shots, once that happens there is zero control. Players like clayton are just big babies and should have shut up and played.

[razorboy]

I understand all of that but a strong running game makes a QB better, the falcons are a good example of that this year. Turner made the whole better and ryan hitting receivers helped, if they any kind of running threat it would have opened up the passinganes. That's football 101.

Even with all the accolades others are giving him theor secondary ranked 19th overall, its wasn't that great. I don't see him being the savior for the team, its obvious thw owners are letting the players call the shots, once that happens there is zero control. Players like clayton are just big babies and should have shut up and played.

For Christ's sake, Clayton is a UFA. What pull do you possibly think he has with the Glazers? You're just talking out of your ass.

[cougarjake13]

I understand all of that but a strong running game makes a QB better, the falcons are a good example of that this year. Turner made the whole better and ryan hitting receivers helped, if they any kind of running threat it would have opened up the passinganes. That's football 101.

Even with all the accolades others are giving him theor secondary ranked 19th overall, its wasn't that great. I don't see him being the savior for the team, its obvious thw owners are letting the players call the shots, once that happens there is zero control. Players like clayton are just big babies and should have shut up and played.




yes but they had alstott before this last injury that forced him to retire


and once gruden got here he stopped using him like he was used before


they basically made him a blocking fullback b/c gruden is a egomaniac and didnt want him to run the ball or catch it

with all the trouble they had back there you cant tell me he wouldnt have been helpful from 03 to 06

[SP1!]

For Christ's sake, Clayton is a UFA. What pull do you possibly think he has with the Glazers? You're just talking out of your ass.

Whats your point? Did he play on the team this year? Did you even listen to the fucking chicken shit comments he made?

If the glazers talked to numerous players and used that to gauge whether to fire gruden then that is a team that is in the shitter and it sounds like they took the players(all the players not just one receiver who is out the door) advice. Listen to the comments and what has been said, this is a shit move on the glazers part, gruden was never liked around the league(hell I hated him) but he won, in the history of the bucs only two coaches have had winning records:

Tony Dungy 1996-2001 56-46-0 (.549)
Jon Gruden 2002-2008 57-55-0 (.509)

All the others had below .400 records, even if he was a dick he got results most places and you can bet he will be hired in the next year or so and it will be funny when he kicks tampas ass like the rest of the league will be doing again.

Oh and having cadillac there may not have made a difference but in most places if you have a good running attack you end up winning games, there will be many gimmick offenses in the NFL but using the run to set up the pass always works.

[razorboy]

Whats your point? Did he play on the team this year? Did you even listen to the fucking chicken shit comments he made?

I live in Tampa. I heard what everyone who has plays here and everyone who has left here had to say and that's the overwhelming opinion of the majority of of the players and coaches. Gruden was a shit coach and he got shit canned. He singed geriatric and retired players and ran off ones who could still play. If he didn't like he would sit you on the bench even in situations where your strengths were desperately needed. He refused to hand playcalling over to an OC even though his offense was consistently one of the shittiest in the league. He explained a losing season by saying "he didn't get to shop for the groceries". Well he got his lap-dog GM and guess what? The record got worse. He talked out of both sides of his mouth to his players, coaches and the media, telling them one thing and immeadiately doing the exact opposite. He would have his press conference after losing a game 10-6 and say that the defense needed to get better. The opening line from his last press conference would be hilarious if he hadn't said after every loss during his tenure here. "Now I'm not going to make any excuses, but we have had a lot of injuries". Well maybe if he was half the talent evaluator he fancied himself to be you would have depth to back up those inhuries. See: every team with a good coach and GM in the league. He's gone, I'm glad, good riddance. Go ruin another team.

[epo]

Dom Capers agrees to become Packers defensive coordinator. (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/37807024.html)

Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy has landed the experienced coordinator he thought he needed to turn his defense around.

On Sunday night, veteran coach Dom Capers accepted McCarthy's offer to become defensive coordinator, a source familiar with the search process said. The offer came after the two men spent part of Friday and much of Saturday discussing their philosophies on defense and what it would take to turn the Packers' defense around.

That's a nice way to start my week. Welcome to Green Bay, Dom.

[Kevin]

Dom Capers agrees to become Packers defensive coordinator. (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/37807024.html)



That's a nice way to start my week. Welcome to Green Bay, Dom.



Is ESPN right with anything? Its always been said that if Spags leaves, they will go in house for a d coord. They want to keep the same style and schemes

[epo]

Is ESPN right with anything? Its always been said that if Spags leaves, they will go in house for a d coord. They want to keep the same style and schemes

Seriously, Chris Mortenson is the fucking worst. Unless he steals the information from a Jay Glazer report, its not worth listening to.

[PD]

I guess Rex Ryan is official for Jets
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spryan0120,0,7779418.story

[Snoogans]

being the offseason brings all the draft excitement, i thought we could all relax and enjoy this:
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[cougarjake13]

being the offseason brings all the draft excitement, i thought we could all relax and enjoy this:
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always love that clip

[SP1!]

being the offseason brings all the draft excitement, i thought we could all relax and enjoy this:
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Wow, I never knew the jets did that bad in the draft. Who the hell selects TEs and FBs in the first round, especially ones that were marginal in the first place?

And I never knew that they passed on marino, he was a monster in college.

[NickyL0885]

being the offseason brings all the draft excitement, i thought we could all relax and enjoy this:
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/rZxNeFLuY98&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/rZxNeFLuY98&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

Wow. thank god I was too young for those picks. Yeesh. Although, im still going through there shitty picks right now. :wallbash:

[hammersavage]

Man that video is hard to watch.

[cougarjake13]

Man that video is hard to watch.

if you;re a jets fan, yeh

[razorboy]

I'm so glad the Bucs got Jagodzinski. Perfect hire, in my opinion.

[hammersavage]

Can't find the Martellus Bennett video anywhere. Just some dumb apology rap on youtube. I want to hear him rhyme Romo with gay which is what I heard he did.

[Snoogans]

Wow, I never knew the jets did that bad in the draft. Who the hell selects TEs and FBs in the first round, especially ones that were marginal in the first place?

And I never knew that they passed on marino, he was a monster in college.

I think they also passed on Jim Kelly

[Sinestro]

At least Ken O'Brien was a better QB than Todd Blackledge.

And fucking Blair Thomas was a bust. Ugh.

[cougarjake13]

I think they also passed on Jim Kelly

actually no they didnt


bills drafted kelly at 12

jets drafted at 24



they passed on marino who went at 27 to the dolphins

[razorboy]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/38982829.html

Big mistake to move Kampman to LB in my opinion. Good coaches work with what they have. Capers moving a pro caliber end who has stated in the past that he doesn't want to move is risky.

[underdog]

Haynesworth signs for $100 mil with Redskins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3939011)

[PD]

WFAN said there are reports that Bart Scott has signed with the NY Jets.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/02/breaking-scott-signs-with-jets/
Jets were quoted as "the deal is not done yet"

[razorboy]

Haynesworth signs for $100 mil with Redskins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3939011)

Shocker. Another idiot move from the leprechaun. I fully expect Fat Albert to shut it down now.

[hammersavage]

WFAN said there are reports that Bart Scott has signed with the NY Jets.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/02/breaking-scott-signs-with-jets/
Jets were quoted as "the deal is not done yet"

That would be a huge signing. Best they've had in the last couple years.

[razorboy]

Buccaneers trade undisclosed draft picks for "soldier" Kellen Winslow II. Very interesting. Link upcoming.

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/story/tampa-bay-trades-te-kellen-winslow/

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/big_c_nfl_blitz/entries/2009/02/27/browns_trade_winslow_for_undis.html

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/27/bucs-trade-for-te-winslow/

[A.J.]

Haynesworth signs for $100 mil with Redskins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3939011)

He'll be injured by Week 3.

[Snoogans]

How do the redskins keep gettin these contracts under the cap. Hall gets 65 mill and now haynesworth gets 100

[Tallman388]

Because the cap is supposed to go up next year, if it doesn't they'll just cut a few guys and keep the overpriced ones.

[TheGameHHH]

How do the redskins keep gettin these contracts under the cap. Hall gets 65 mill and now haynesworth gets 100

i was thinking the same thing, i feel like eveyr offseason the redskins spend a ton of money. granted no matter what they still blow but i dont get how they do it.

i cant wait until the annual, 'watch out for the redskins and bills' talk begins by prognosticators. then week 7 rolls around....

[Knowledged_one]

How do the redskins keep gettin these contracts under the cap. Hall gets 65 mill and now haynesworth gets 100

first its not all guaranteed and they have the best cap guy in the league

[Kevin]

first its not all guaranteed and they have the best cap guy in the league

Too bad they have the worst talent guy in the league...

[spadanko]

The Jets are reportedly working on a trade for CB Lito Sheppard.
Sheppard is expected to visit Jets headquarters Saturday, so the sides have obviously made progress in talks. With one year and $3 million remaining on his contract, Shepphard would fill in the void opposite Darrelle Revis with free agent Corey Ivy potentially acting as the nickel back. Feb. 27 - 7:48 pm et

[Kevin]

ESPN News is reporting that Brian Dawkins has signed with the Bronco's

HUGE loss for the Eagles..

KC will be INCONSOLABLE, when he hears this.

[spadanko]

Eagles lost dawkins, Sheppard, and considine today.

Giants close to Michael Boley

[underdog]

Patriots trade Vrabel to KC (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/02/vrabel_trade_co.html)

The (awesome) rumor going around is that this clears out space for the Patriots to trade Cassell to the Panthers for Peppers.

Seymour, Peppers, Mayo. That would be a pretty bad-ass defensive three. There's also separate talk of the Patriots making a run at Ray Lewis.

[weekapaugjz]

Seymour, Peppers, Mayo. That would be a pretty bad-ass defensive three. There's also separate talk of the Patriots making a run at Ray Lewis.

great. another season of the patriots d making the bills o line look like swiss cheese.

[TjM]

Matt Cassel traded to the KC Cheifs

[SP1!]

Patriots trade Cassel to Kansas City
New England gets second-round pick in exchange for QB, LB Mike Vrabel (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/29443788/)

Wow, this seems like a stupid trade.

[Fallon]

Patriots trade Cassel to Kansas City
New England gets second-round pick in exchange for QB, LB Mike Vrabel (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/29443788/)

Wow, this seems like a stupid trade.

Honestly, if the Pats are positive Brady is fine then they really didn't need Cassel and he was gonna cost them a boat load since they tagged him. Now it free's some money up to sign free agents and use that 2nd round pick to get higher in the draft or use it in another trade.

[underdog]

Honestly, if the Pats are positive Brady is fine then they really didn't need Cassel and he was gonna cost them a boat load since they tagged him. Now it free's some money up to sign free agents and use that 2nd round pick to get higher in the draft or use it in another trade.

I just don't get the Vrabel AND Cassell for a 2nd rounder.

[underdog]

Lions DE Corey Smith and Raiders LB Marquis Cooper among four missing boaters off Florida Gulf Coast (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3943945)

[Kevin]

Lions DE Corey Smith and Raiders LB Marquis Cooper among four missing boaters off Florida Gulf Coast (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3943945)

Was this a 3 hour cruise?

[Sinestro]

Lions DE Corey Smith and Raiders LB Marquis Cooper among four missing boaters off Florida Gulf Coast (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3943945)

Fuck! They can't swim.

[Ogre]

I just don't get the Vrabel AND Cassell for a 2nd rounder.

It's the 34th pick overall..bout equal to 1st round pick but without the pricetag. To get even thriftier they find someone to take a 33 yrold LB and upcoming bigger cap number for him. Two guys right there freed up about 17-18 million on this years cap alone for the Pats. I think it was more like.."If you want Cassell you gotta take Vrabel too."

[underdog]

It's the 34th pick overall..bout equal to 1st round pick but without the pricetag. To get even thriftier they find someone to take a 33 yrold LB and upcoming bigger cap number for him. Two guys right there freed up about 17-18 million on this years cap alone for the Pats. I think it was more like.."If you want Cassell you gotta take Vrabel too."

He may be 33, but he's been the only producing defensive player for the Patriots that isn't constantly injured.

[epo]

Seattle signs DT Colin Cole: (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/01/cole-picks-seahawks-over-returning-to-packers/)

One of the Green Bay Packers’ big offseason priorities was re-signing DT Colin Cole. But early Sunday morning, Cole wound up signing a five-year, $21 million contract that includes $5 million guaranteed with the Seattle Seahawks.

The Seattle Seahawks have lost their goddamned minds.

[Ogre]

He may be 33, but he's been the only producing defensive player for the Patriots that isn't constantly injured.

yeah I get that and I was just as surprised as anyone that they said buh bye to him...but history will show you with this team they do not get emotional about veterans...Laywer Milloy, Ty Law and the face of the D,Willie MacG for pete's sake. The only one they kept till the bitter end was Troy Brown and that's is only because he could prolly play all 22 positions if you asked him to. They (The Pats) will always do the $$ side of the deal before loyalty to the vets weighs into the discussion.

My wife is a diehard Pats fan, so I follow this team more than I should care... I think she stirs the soup to images of Steve Grogan in her head.

[razorboy]

Ward to Tampa Bay

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9285778/Source:-Bucs,-ex-Giants-RB-Ward-agree-to-deal

I'm pleased to have Ward in Tampa. Even though he's 28 (ugh, so am I) he doesn't have alot of wear on the tires. Having Ward and Graham splitting carries in the backfield shoukld make for a very good RB tandem. If Caddy can come back even at 75% and with Cliton Smith apparently being looked at in a scatback role, this should be a damned versatile backfield.

[cougarjake13]

Ward to Tampa Bay

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9285778/Source:-Bucs,-ex-Giants-RB-Ward-agree-to-deal

I'm pleased to have Ward in Tampa. Even though he's 28 (ugh, so am I) he doesn't have alot of wear on the tires. Having Ward and Graham splitting carries in the backfield shoukld make for a very good RB tandem. If Caddy can come back even at 75% and with Cliton Smith apparently being looked at in a scatback role, this should be a damned versatile backfield.

but still have no qb

[razorboy]

but still have no qb

Personally I'm fine with McCown for this year. He showed flashes of brilliance in limited playing time in 2007 and he is a much better fit for Jagodzinski's offense than Garcia would have been. He'll have his oppurtunity to show he can perform in the starting role and frankly, outside of Warner, the free agent QBs this offseason sucked (plus I don't want another 38 year old QB, there is a reason Chucktwat got canned). The three probable first round QBs this year all smell like BIG TIME busts to me. The only QB in this years draft that I would even consider picking is Nate Davis in the third. Next year's QB draft will be very strong and if Luke shits the bed the Buccaneers will have their oppurtunity then. As far as a trade goes, Cassel stinks of a smoke and mirrors show, to me at least. I would have been happy if the Cutler trade had gone through but I'm pleased that at the very least they tried.

[PapaBear]

Cowboys reportedly release Owens (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/03/05/owens.released.ap/index.html?eref=si_nfl)


IRVING, Texas (AP) -- Terrell Owens' days in Dallas are done, according to ESPN.
ESPN cited anonymous sources Wednesday night in saying that the Cowboys have decided to cut the receiver, ridding them of a big locker-room distraction but also absorbing a big hit on their salary cap.
The team did not immediately have a comment. A spokesman for Owens said he hadn't heard the news, and that Owens was traveling and could not immediately be reached. His agent, Drew Rosenhaus, also did not immediately return a call.
Just a few weeks ago, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones indicated that T.O. was staying when he said, "You and I both know that the one that you're asking about all the time, if I gave you the answer that you want to hear, then you would've already had it. So the fact you don't have it ought to tell you something. It really should."



Who's gonna go for it?

[Kevin]

Cowboys reportedly release Owens (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/03/05/owens.released.ap/index.html?eref=si_nfl)





Who's gonna go for it?

This has Al Davis or Your owner written all over it.

[PapaBear]

This has Al Davis or Your owner written all over it.
I don't think Ownertard would do it after spending so much last week. But you never know.

[razorboy]

So where does Torry Holt go if he gets his wishes? If anyone says the Pats I'm going to vomit.

[Snoogans]

So where does Torry Holt go if he gets his wishes? If anyone says the Pats I'm going to vomit.

San Fran

[cougarjake13]

broncos signed chris simms



theres no way they make simms the starter and trade cutler is there ???

[Gvac]

I'm thinking of becoming a Detroit Lions fan.

[cougarjake13]

I'm thinking of becoming a Detroit Lions fan.

didnt you suffer enough as a bengals fan ??

[disneyspy]

I'm thinking of becoming a Detroit Lions fan.

dont do it! its nuthin but heart ache! i watch every game and they suck

[Gvac]

There's nowhere to go but up!

[weekapaugjz]

I'm thinking of becoming a Detroit Lions fan.

you could always become a bills fan. that is if you enjoy seeing fleeting points of hope only to have them dashed away year, after year, after year, after year, after year, well, you get the point.

[Knowledged_one]

This has Al Davis or Your owner written all over it.

no chance they sign him they have no intrest in a locker room cancer and they have young wr they want to play.

snyder spends money but not on aging players anymore

[Gvac]

you could always become a bills fan. that is if you enjoy seeing fleeting points of hope only to have them dashed away year, after year, after year, after year, after year, well, you get the point.

I honestly think I'd rather root for a hapless team like the Lions than a team who goes to the Super Bowl four years in a row and loses each time.

[weekapaugjz]

I honestly think I'd rather root for a hapless team like the Lions than a team who goes to the Super Bowl four years in a row and loses each time.

fair enough.

[Kevin]

no chance they sign him they have no intrest in a locker room cancer and they have young wr they want to play.

snyder spends money but not on aging players anymore

Hi, My name is Jason Taylor, and i want to talk to you about that last comment.

[Knowledged_one]

Hi, My name is Jason Taylor, and i want to talk to you about that last comment.

come on i expect more from you that trade was done out of necessity because of injuries on the first day of training camp and he wasnt a free agent.

[epo]

Hi, My name is Jason Taylor, and i want to talk to you about that last comment.

Adam Archuleta wants a word with you.

[Knowledged_one]

Adam Archuleta wants a word with you.

yeah except he was traded do you guys even know football

[Kevin]

Trades, signings, same thing. He still took on huge contracts of old players.

[epo]

yeah except he was traded do you guys even know football

Mar 13, 2006: (http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/players/Adam_Archuleta/) Signed as an unrestricted free agent by the Washington Redskins.

That's all. We're done here.

[Snoogans]

yeah except he was traded do you guys even know football

Mar 13, 2006: (http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/players/Adam_Archuleta/) Signed as an unrestricted free agent by the Washington Redskins.

That's all. We're done here.

thats sad, KO. If you are gonna make a comment like that about Do you even know football, you should probably go look some shit up. Seriously.

After seeing how wrong you were. I'm now convinced that Sean Taylor brought it on himself

[Knowledged_one]

Mar 13, 2006: (http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/players/Adam_Archuleta/) Signed as an unrestricted free agent by the Washington Redskins.

That's all. We're done here.

oh yeah it was a bad signing but his contract was traded and since the conversation was about old fa's and archuletta was 28 when he was signed hardly an aging player but why let facts get in the way of what is being talked about

[epo]

oh yeah it was a bad signing but his contract was traded and since the conversation was about old fa's and archuletta was 28 when he was signed hardly an aging player but why let facts get in the way of what is being talked about

It is simply Exhibit #382 of why Daniel Synder is a lunatic.

[Knowledged_one]

It is simply Exhibit #382 of why Daniel Synder is a lunatic.

no it is you trying to be clever and insert yourself into a conversation without knowing what is being talked about then having it wrong and then toss out a dan snyder comment to cover your trail

[razorboy]

Terrell Owens visits Bills. (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9306636/Source:-Owens-making-free-agent-visit-to-Bills)

I'd never stop laughing if he ended up there.

[cougarjake13]

start laughing razor




terrell owens signs one year deal with bills per espn news


linky as as soon as available




congrats weeka

[cougarjake13]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/07/to-signs-one-year-deal-with-bills/





T.O. agrees to one-year deal with Bills
Posted: News | Vic Carucci | Tags: Buffalo Bills, Terrell Owens

The Buffalo Bills and free agent wide receiver Terrell Owens have reached agreement on a one-year contract. There will be a press conference at 6:15 p.m. ET at the team’s headquarters

[razorboy]

Oh boy. I'm sure He'll get along just swimmingly with Trent Edwards. The Bills are worth watching again, just for all the wrong reasons. Get your popcorn ready, bitches.

[Kevin]

Wow, NOBODY must have wanted him for him to go to Buff.

[cougarjake13]

Wow, NOBODY must have wanted him for him to go to Buff.

i cant believe buffalo wanted him



and this early and he only signed a 1 yr deal ??

[weekapaugjz]

Jumping on the T.O. Bandwagon...NOW!

[weekapaugjz]

T.O. Baby!

[KnoxHarrington]

The thing is that being in a relative media backwater like Buffalo will probably only intensify TO's attention whore tendencies.

[Kevin]

T.O. Baby!

You seriously CANT be happy about this.

[weekapaugjz]

You seriously CANT be happy about this.

At least TO is exciting whatever he does. When was the last time the bills did anything exciting?

[weekapaugjz]

I can't wait for TO jersies.

[Kevin]

At least TO is exciting whatever he does. When was the last time the bills did anything exciting?

He ruins teams that are contenders.

What do you think he will do on a team like the Bills?

[weekapaugjz]

Who cares. The bills haven't been to the playoffs in 10 years. Try something different. Before today, I wasn't going to even care about the bills this year. This just gave me a reason to watch.

[TheGameHHH]

I'm really upset he didn't go to Oakland, but with that said this is gonna be awesome. I love watching this dude ruin teams.

[ToiletCrusher]

T.O. in B Lo ?? This angers my blood.

[razorboy]

If anyone should be pissed it would be Lee Evans. You're a terrific young WR and the Bills Brass bring in AARP member to play across from him.

[TNABuffalo]

If anyone should be pissed it would be Lee Evans. You're a terrific young WR and the Bills Brass bring in AARP member to play across from him.

Worked with Reed and Lofton....

[jauble]

T.O. in B Lo ?? This angers my blood.

So how do think the 10 months of snow will effect his life to suicide stats?

[razorboy]

Worked with Reed and Lofton....

Not even close to the same situation.

[cougarjake13]

I can't wait for TO jersies.





i had to use a z instead of s b/c nfl.com wont let you use real player names past or present when you use the customize function



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[cougarjake13]

if anything this wil help evans with a lot of attention going to t.o.


who else did defenses have to worry about last year in buffalo besides evans

[epo]

if anything this wil help evans with a lot of attention going to t.o.


who else did defenses have to worry about last year in buffalo besides evans

Marshawn Lynch

[Freakshow]

if anything this wil help evans with a lot of attention going to t.o.


yeah, if anyone should be unhappy with the signing it would be James Hardy, who is basically going to have another rookie season because he's not going to see the field as much.

[weekapaugjz]

yeah, if anyone should be unhappy with the signing it would be James Hardy, who is basically going to have another rookie season because he's not going to see the field as much.

Hardy is too busy pulling guns on his father to notice. And Steve Johnson (who?) took over for hardy last year cause his route running sucks.

TO baby!

[JimBeam]

Andre Smith's draft free fall continues

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Andre-Smith-s-draft-freefall-continues?urn=nfl,147436

What a loser this fat slob turned out to be.

[cougarjake13]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Andre-Smith-s-draft-freefall-continues?urn=nfl,147436

What a loser this fat slob turned out to be.



good that it happened before some schlep team drafted him and gave him millions


im sure he'll still get drafted, just not top 5 like he was just a short time ago

[Gvac]

Browns WR Donte Stallworth killed a pedestrian in Miami this morning with his Bentley. (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g-CLeMDPwyX2iShZyyhlE_wWxjlgD96TVCMO1)

[underdog]

Browns WR Donte Stallworth killed a pedestrian in Miami this morning with his Bentley. (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g-CLeMDPwyX2iShZyyhlE_wWxjlgD96TVCMO1)

There's no way he was on anything at 7am in Miami Beach.

[cougarjake13]

Browns WR Donte Stallworth killed a pedestrian in Miami this morning with his Bentley. (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g-CLeMDPwyX2iShZyyhlE_wWxjlgD96TVCMO1)

what is it with WR'S ??

[spadanko]

NFL.com's Vic Carucci reports that the Patriots are "likely" to execute a trade for Panthers franchise player Julius Peppers.
New England reportedly plans to deal the No. 34 overall pick -- acquired for Matt Cassel -- for Peppers. Peppers would play opposite OLB Adalius Thomas, giving them an imposing edge presence. A contract would appear to be the significant hurdle left. The two sides should talk at the upcoming owner's meetings, but the NFL Draft would be the true deadline for a deal. Mar. 16 - 3:42 pm et

[underdog]

NFL.com's Vic Carucci reports that the Patriots are "likely" to execute a trade for Panthers franchise player Julius Peppers.
New England reportedly plans to deal the No. 34 overall pick -- acquired for Matt Cassel -- for Peppers. Peppers would play opposite OLB Adalius Thomas, giving them an imposing edge presence. A contract would appear to be the significant hurdle left. The two sides should talk at the upcoming owner's meetings, but the NFL Draft would be the true deadline for a deal. Mar. 16 - 3:42 pm et

I mentioned before in chat that the Patriots were going to try to move Cassell for Peppers. I might be right for once!

[underdog]

Patriots trade Vrabel to KC (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/02/vrabel_trade_co.html)

The (awesome) rumor going around is that this clears out space for the Patriots to trade Cassell to the Panthers for Peppers.

Seymour, Peppers, Mayo. That would be a pretty bad-ass defensive three. There's also separate talk of the Patriots making a run at Ray Lewis.

Hey, I actually posted it.

[Furtherman]

Lions DE Corey Smith and Raiders LB Marquis Cooper among four missing boaters off Florida Gulf Coast (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3943945)

Six months after a boating accident took the lives of NFL players Marquis Cooper and Corey Smith and former South Florida player Will Bleakley, the lone survivor has spoken out on the harrowing ordeal of being stranded in the ocean and watching his friends die. (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/08/16/nick-schuyler-recounts-the-harrowing-ordeal-that-claimed-his-3-f/?icid=main|aimzones|dl4|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fnfl.fan house.com%2F2009%2F08%2F16%2Fnick-schuyler-recounts-the-harrowing-ordeal-that-claimed-his-3-f%2F)

The whole interview will be on Tuesday's Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel.