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paulisded
11-30-2008, 09:26 AM
I found this article today, and I have to admit that I agree. With the various apps that I've added to my iTouch that allow me to stream not only hundreds of internet stations but every music and video file on my computer, I use my satellite radio only for O&A and R&F.

http://entertainment.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?id=1856929&op=view

"Only a little over a year ago, the FCC approved the merger of XM and Sirius satellite radio companies and the combined stock was trading at $4 a share. Despite being a monopoly — or perhaps because of it — the company is failing. They are losing subscribers, the stock is now trading around 22 cents a share (a 97% decline), and they have written off $4.8 billion dollars in stock value. So, what happened? The CEO is blaming pretty much everyone except himself and his business model. But is pay-for-bandwidth even a viable business plan anymore? With millions of iPhone and gPhone users out there, free streaming audio applications like FStream, and thousands of Internet radio stations to access, the question is: why would anyone want to pay for proprietary hardware and a limited selection of a few hundred stations all controlled by one company?"

"It seems like the pay-for-broadcast business model is fundamentally flawed. First, satellite radio is a misnomer; if you are listening inside a big building, chances are you're really using WiFi radio, not satellite, which requires line-of-sight to the sky. In this mode, XM/Sirius offers less selection and higher cost than an iPhone and streaming audio client. Second, a monopoly is a monopoly. Sure, you can get dozens of ClearChannel stations in some markets, but after a while it does not matter whether they are country, top 40 or easy listening. They all have the same format of hypercharged 'personalities' and lots of ads. By contrast, the iPhone and streaming client can access thousands of stations from thousands of providers worldwide. Finally, you may say that an iPhone and service agreement are expensive compared to a satellite radio subscription, but if you already have the iPhone, the cost of adding a stream audio application is zero. And the iPhone is cheap compared to a cell phone plus an MP3 player plus a laptop plus internet access. Bottom line: a year after being granted monopoly status, Sirius is all but bankrupt and the satellite radio business model is dead. Time for the FCC to think seriously about making better use of this bandwidth."

K.C.
11-30-2008, 09:40 AM
I've had this discussion numerous times with people.

Satellite Radio uses a business model that was meant for the 90s, but utilized a technology that wasn't really viable until the early 2000s, so by the time it was feasible to use, the model was outdated.

The article is right, for the most part.

XM/Sirius would really be better off as a program licensor/distributor.

Stop manufacturing and selling radio units. Sign deals with the major car companies, computer companies, and television distributors to make all new car radios, tvs, pcs, etc. satellite compatible. If they have to kick back cash to the terrestrial providers, or the radio manufacturers, then do it.

And then sell all its programming a la carte, through some On-Demand type service with your radio.

You want to listen O&A or R&F? $1.99 a month and the station streams to your normal radio. Or you can purchase a XM/Sirius Talk Radio package for like $8.99 or $9.99.

MLB? $1.99 for the Home Plate. $6.99 for the game stations during the season.

Sell different music packages for different amounts. $1.99 seems a good price if someone wants a single station. It's basically a price comparable to iTunes.


A la carte is really the wave of the future. The cable companies are all going to be forced to go that way eventually.

And one of the biggest pitfalls of Satellite Radio is having to buy a units. They need to get out of that business and find a way to incorporate a la carte programming into existing medias.

That's their best chance of survival.

donnie_darko
11-30-2008, 09:42 AM
i agree, thats why i found the high def format war a little funny, it was a competition for the last physical format we'll probably have.

Even when i had xm i rarely listened to ron and fez live, i just DL it and throw it on my ipod and listen when i get the chance.

i wouldnt be surprised if eventually "satellite radio" is simply radio, same ads etc, just a centralized location, thus eliminating lots of local jobs....but it will either end how it is, or come back as a free service...

JustJon
11-30-2008, 02:38 PM
When an iPhone XM app is finally released, I will have no use for the xm units. I can stream that directly in my car. I already stream last.fm and haven't replaced my stolen unit. The only thing I feel like I'm missing is 202.

paulisded
11-30-2008, 02:46 PM
When an iPhone XM app is finally released, I will have no use for the xm units. I can stream that directly in my car. I already stream last.fm and haven't replaced my stolen unit. The only thing I feel like I'm missing is 202.

I'm also loving my SimplifyMedia app, which gives me access to everything on my computer.

Puggle_kicker
11-30-2008, 03:04 PM
Great point made here. I think the idea of buying hardware that is specifically limited in what it can do is the biggest flaw they have.

You can use an iPhone (news to me) to do a lot of these things and you can use a device called a Squeezebox, manufactured by Slim Devices, that allows you to access all the music on your computer, on internet radio stations and it also can access Sirius online . . . . which is how I access Sat radio.

http://www.slimdevices.com/

And they are currently pissing me off, leading me to not want to continue my subscription by not allowing me to get the best of XM because I dont own one of their piece of shit radios. I refuse to buy one, I have a better device that does more.

They are gonna lose a customer just because they are clinging onto a stupid, outdated business model that doesnt work. There is no physical reason that they wont let me get best of XM on my online account. They are pressuring me into buying one of their shit devices that is poorly built and will break needing either repair (if available) or requiring me to buy another shit device to get my fix for another six to eight months.

Screw that.

Dougie
11-30-2008, 03:32 PM
When an iPhone XM app is finally released,

That would be EPIC.
I thought the battery life on those things sucked though? Maybe I'll get Lil Jimmy to sell me his...

JustJon
11-30-2008, 03:42 PM
That would be EPIC.
I thought the battery life on those things sucked though? Maybe I'll get Lil Jimmy to sell me his...

Depends what you do with it. I tend to charge my iPhone once a day and if I'm streaming audio, it's usually plugged in at the time anyway.

IMSlacker
11-30-2008, 04:07 PM
The guy keeps saying it's been a year since Sirius was granted a monopoly, but wasn't the merger finalized in September? Is he writing from the future?

K.C.
11-30-2008, 04:10 PM
When an iPhone XM app is finally released, I will have no use for the xm units. I can stream that directly in my car. I already stream last.fm and haven't replaced my stolen unit. The only thing I feel like I'm missing is 202.

Actually, you don't even need the app.

You can orbcast your XM online stream from your computer, and then access the orbcast through the iPhone.

The only issue would be you wouldn't have the sports programming, because the XM online stream doesn't offer it.

Dougie
12-01-2008, 12:33 AM
Actually, you don't even need the app.

You can orbcast your XM online stream from your computer, and then access the orbcast through the iPhone.

The only issue would be you wouldn't have the sports programming, because the XM online stream doesn't offer it.

Neo???

KnoxHarrington
12-01-2008, 06:32 AM
The thing about it now is that the best argument you could use to tell people why they should pay for radio is gone. What I said before was that the music is so much better, and it's not...and you can get that great music on the net for free. I'm also seriously looking at getting Slacker.

I'm only keeping XM for the buddays now, and I'm thinking about finding other ways to get them.

Puggle_kicker
12-03-2008, 10:27 AM
Exactly. I have a squeezebox which is a great device. It allows me to stream pandora, slacker, rhapsody, live music archive, and all the music that you have on your computer. Thus making the "commercial free radio that you pay for" not nearly as good as commercial free music that you dont pay for.

And Im still fucking bitter that they wont let me have the best of XM with just the online radio. Im canceling subscription after just one month. Im not buying a fucking radio, I have a better device.