F*CK I think we have a collapsed sewer pipe.

[biggestmexi]

Any advice on this one.

Called the people last night to unclog a pipe this morning and they cannot.

They say that they think that the pipe collapsed.

Then the next step would be to get a locater then DIG THE YARD....
:glurps: money out the ass I assume.

Any advice.

[commish13]

Take less massive shits.

[PerryWinkle]

did they run a camera through the pipe to confirm it collapsed or are they just guessing that

[topless_mike]

git yourself somehttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41612000/jpg/_41612250_mexicans416.jpg

and dig it up

my parents had a sewer pipe clog. tree / bush roots actually penetrated the pipe and closed it up.
pops cut it and replaced it.

[biggestmexi]

did they run a camera through the pipe to confirm it collapsed or are they just guessing that

No, not yet but i think that they are getting the equipment for that now.

git yourself somehttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41612000/jpg/_41612250_mexicans416.jpg

and dig it up

my parents had a sewer pipe clog. tree / bush roots actually penetrated the pipe and closed it up.
pops cut it and replaced it.


They said their snake could cut through tree roots and such.

[PerryWinkle]

what kind of pipe is your line? roots are really only a problem with older types of pipes that allow spots and gaps for roots to penetrate and grow inside.

[biggestmexi]

clay perhaps unsure

[topless_mike]

my snake wasnt long enough to reach....

[sr71blackbird]

If its clay you may be screwed, and the only way is to excavate it up and replace it with plastic. Sometimes they can sleeve the existing pipe from inside the house and out to the streets sewer main.

On youtube I found this: Link (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=replace+sewer&search_type=)

[biggestmexi]

Any know how hard that would be to actually shovel up.
I am sure it would be a considerable BITCH and time consuming.
if you work crazy hard and get it dug decently quick, do you think it will be better than paying some company to bring and excavator take two scoops to do it?


And i think i might now some hard working beaners if i can get to my home depot early enough.

[sr71blackbird]

Check this out


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[PerryWinkle]

Any know how hard that would be to actually shovel up.
I am sure it would be a considerable BITCH and time consuming.
if you work crazy hard and get it dug decently quick, do you think it will be better than paying some company to bring and excavator take two scoops to do it?


And i think i might now some hard working beaners if i can get to my home depot early enough.

depends on how deep it is. I would never personally shovel it, but I also own backhoes and excavators. I would do it for you, but you're a little out of my working territory

[sr71blackbird]

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[biggestmexi]

Check this out


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Thanks for the help blackbird but i cant see that at work. Ill have to tell my girlfriend at home.

depends on how deep it is. I would never personally shovel it, but I also own backhoes and excavators. I would do it for you, but you're a little out of my working territory

do you have an experience with this problem?

I can rent a small excavator for 195 for the day :clap: which admitablly would be a blast.

[sr71blackbird]

The technique is called CIPP, which stands for Cured In Place Pipeliner and it seems that they impregnate a fabric tube with resin and then compress it against the inside of the sewer pipe under pressure and it is pushed underground from the house to the sewer main and it forms one long underground tube without digging up the yard. Look in your phone book under sewers and see if anyone has CIPP listed.

[biggestmexi]

The technique is called CIPP, which stands for Cured In Place Pipeliner and it seems that they impregnate a fabric tube with resin and then compress it against the inside of the sewer pipe under pressure and it is pushed underground from the house to the sewer main and it forms one long underground tube without digging up the yard. Look in your phone book under sewers and see if anyone has CIPP listed.

figured out this is clay tile.

and the pipe did collapse.

will this work for clay pipes?

[PerryWinkle]

Thanks for the help blackbird but i cant see that at work. Ill have to tell my girlfriend at home.



do you have an experience with this problem?

I can rent a small excavator for 195 for the day :clap: which admitablly would be a blast.

Honestly not alot. We rarely ever do repair work like this. We do new construction mainly. Without seeing your situation, I wouldn't know what would be the best solution for your problem. Depending on the depth of your line, the type of pipe you're dealing with and where the problem spot is, I honestly couldn't tell you what is the best way to go. Also, you have to make sure there aren't other underground utilities (electric, water, gas) that cross or come near to where you would be digging.

[topless_mike]

a backhoe would dig that up in a hot minute.
just becareful and dont go crazy with it.
again, the hard part is finding out where the problem is.
i guess you'd have to measure how far the snake can go in before you hit the problem, then trace that to the spot outside.

[biggestmexi]

Honestly not alot. We rarely ever do repair work like this. We do new construction mainly. Without seeing your situation, I wouldn't know what would be the best solution for your problem. Depending on the depth of your line, the type of pipe you're dealing with and where the problem spot is, I honestly couldn't tell you what is the best way to go. Also, you have to make sure there aren't other underground utilities (electric, water, gas) that cross or come near to where you would be digging.

do you really need license's and permits to do this?

We can call JULIE to come out and mark all the line there.

But it was ~900 to replace the part that is busted and ~1500 to replace the pipe with PVC from street to house.

OI!

[PerryWinkle]

how far from the house is the bad spot in the line. is this part under lawn? If it's just in a grassy area, I would dig it up with that small excavator, remove the bad section of pipe, get two rubber furnco's that would allow to replace that section with a piece of plastic pipe

[biggestmexi]

how far from the house is the bad spot in the line. is this part under lawn? If it's just in a grassy area, I would dig it up with that small excavator, remove the bad section of pipe, get two rubber furnco's that would allow to replace that section with a piece of plastic pipe

we will know exactly this afternoon. A guy with a camera will be coming out.

But as far as the other people said - 20ft from the house. which is grassy area.


If we go the route where they take and replace the WHOLE pipe will they have to dig straight above the area of the WHOLE pipe?

That would mean they would have to go through the city sidewalk and our side walk and curb.

Would we be forced to pay to replace the city cement?

[PerryWinkle]

we will know exactly this afternoon. A guy with a camera will be coming out.

But as far as the other people said - 20ft from the house. which is grassy area.


If we go the route where they take and replace the WHOLE pipe will they have to dig straight above the area of the WHOLE pipe?

That would mean they would have to go through the city sidewalk and our side walk and curb.

Would we be forced to pay to replace the city cement?

If you replace the entire line from house to the sewer main, they will have to dig up the entire area where the pipe runs. As for the sidewalks, if you removed them, i would say you're responsible to replace them. I would want to stay away from that extra cost if I had to make the decision of what to do.

[midwestjeff]

Would we be forced to pay to replace the city cement?

Yes.

[sr71blackbird]

The video shows it working on clay pipe. I would be very careful about digging yourself, because you may have water and gas or oil tanks and other stuff nearby and if you damage them, you are in a whole lot deeper and could be serious danger (I work for the gas company, so I know). That technique I showed would eliminate all that risk.

[topless_mike]

we will know exactly this afternoon. A guy with a camera will be coming out.

But as far as the other people said - 20ft from the house. which is grassy area.


If we go the route where they take and replace the WHOLE pipe will they have to dig straight above the area of the WHOLE pipe?

That would mean they would have to go through the city sidewalk and our side walk and curb.

Would we be forced to pay to replace the city cement?


how old is the house?
how long do you plan on being there?
if you are digging up, it might be worth it just to dig the whole thing up and replace the whole thing.

chances are if it collapsed in one area, there is a chance it could in another.
just throwin that out there.

[biggestmexi]

how old is the house?
how long do you plan on being there?
if you are digging up, it might be worth it just to dig the whole thing up and replace the whole thing.

chances are if it collapsed in one area, there is a chance it could in another.
just throwin that out there.

quite a few more years.

Thats what i was thinking.

2x at 900=1800.

1x at 1500=1500.

[ahhdurr]

fuck it.
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[NYHCmikeX]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/4/40/180px-Cousin_Eddie.jpg

Shitter's full.

[sr71blackbird]

The solution I gave would solve any issue, no restoration needed and no danger and a permanent fix to the entire thing from house to the sewer. I would not dig it up if I were you.

[SatCam]

sounds like its time to lay some pipe

[BlackSpider]

The solution I gave would solve any issue, no restoration needed and no danger and a permanent fix to the entire thing from house to the sewer. I would not dig it up if I were you.

how would that work on a collapsed pipe ?
dirt weighs about 100lbs. a cubic foot.
You gotta run a snake-cam to see what you got, and go from there.
If it's collapsed, I would run a new line and tie it in to the existing pipe on your side of the city sidewalk.

[FezsAssistant]

call 911 and tell them your shit pipe caved in. you need it repaired and cleaned out. pronto.
and there might be small animals trapped in there.

[PerryWinkle]

how would that work on a collapsed pipe ?
dirt weighs about 100lbs. a cubic foot.
You gotta run a snake-cam to see what you got, and go from there.
If it's collapsed, I would run a new line and tie it in to the existing pipe on your side of the city sidewalk.

I agree with spider. I would only replace the section of the line from the house to the sidewalk area. Or you can just start shitting in the woods.

[sr71blackbird]

In the videos I showed you see the camera coming upon the collapsed sections of the sewer.
The material that they use is not the full size as it is inserted through the pipe It is only expanded when it reaches the end of the line and they compress it into a tube shape under air and water pressure. It is actually amazing when you think about it. I had asked how they line the gas mains in my company and it is very similar.

[PerryWinkle]

In the videos I showed you see the camera coming upon the collapsed sections of the sewer.
The material that they use is not the full size as it is inserted through the pipe It is only expanded when it reaches the end of the line and they compress it into a tube shape under air and water pressure. It is actually amazing when you think about it. I had asked how they line the gas mains in my company and it is very similar.

I watched those videos and it is very cool to see. I think it would and could work in his situation. I guess the question is, if someone in his area offers this service.

[BlackSpider]

I just watched the videos.
It's great if you have a cracked pipe, but here's the problem with that system:

1. you need a clear pipe. all pipes shown in video are cracked or have voids, but they are still clear all the way to the end.
If you have a pipe that is collapsed, and blocked by the dirt caving in from above, you can't shoot the sleeve through.
Even if it's partially collapsed lets say from a 4" down to 2" or
3" and you manage to get the sleeve through, it will leave a bottle-neck in the pipe that can cause a blockage later.

2. in the first video the broken bottom of the pipe has left sink-hole voids under the pipe.
These will still exist after the sleeve is installed, but they could be filled in if you are excavating your pipe.

3. There is no mention of the cost per foot of this system. for all you know it could cost more than $1,500.

4. It takes work away from Perry...

[biggestmexi]

Well the first people that came in had there intent to dig up the yard.
They did not due the things they were supposed to.

When the people that we had come the second time were I would say Real Professionals.

They brought a jet spray machine with their camera. They got stuck at an ancient splitter type box in our basement. (which mean the people before us were more than likely going back into the house, not out) Once they found that we had to break open the concrete in my basement to get to this box. Needless to say the previous, previous owner (Or whomever) did not know what they were doing. After we broke that open they ran the camera PERFECTLY to the main line. Not a single problem. The conclusion came to that fact that who ever cemented that box just poured it in and clogged the box. After a while it just got full or something and clogged. (Which somehow the first people did not get).

Everything is good. For now.

There is a 2x2 whole (give or take) that needs to be filled and that part and about another 20ft need to be re-plumbed to flow correctly. So that basement floor needs to be broken up and then relayed so they can get to the pipe.

Lesson learned: Try to get a real pro.

also, the guys that came in were great people.

[johnnyq]

I know u have this thread going since 07, but i would like to share my situation. I had a clogged sewer 2 weeks ago. I called mr roote (http://www.mrrooter.com)r, they sent a man the same day. After spending much time he informed me that my sewer was possibly collapsed and I would have to change the sewer. The estimate was for 9 grands!!!!!!!!! There was no way I could come up with that kinda money. A friend suggested me to call $49.95 Any Sewer or Drain (http://www.a4995.com). They are also NY based. I live in Brooklyn NY. My friends advice was to get opinions from different companies to make sure the sewer was indeed clogged. I called 49.95 Any Sewer or Drain and they send a mechanic in about 4 hours. He snaked the sewer and spent a good 40 minutes before he was able to unclog my sewer. :clap::king::happy::laugh:
He had pulled out really thick roots out of my line. He advised me to run a camera through my sewer line to make sure there is no damage to my line. I didn't get the camera inspection right away as money is tight, but maybe in a month or two I might go for the camera inspection. I signed up on their blog (http://www.a4995.com/blogs), they have some information there that might be useful to people reading my post.
Thanks:clap:

[Yerdaddy]

F*CK I think we have a collapsed sewer pipe...

...said one of Alkey's tapeworms to another.