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peacefrog081
11-02-2008, 10:54 AM
I am very much interested in personal development, and believe it can help myself and others get themselves to where they want to be. My favorite authors are Robert Kiyosaki, Denis Waitley, Jim Rohn, etc.

Is anyone else here into this type of thing?

ahhdurr
11-02-2008, 11:05 AM
I am very much interested in personal development, and believe it can help myself and others get themselves to where they want to be. My favorite authors are Robert Kiyosaki, Denis Waitley, Jim Rohn, etc.

Is anyone else here into this type of thing?

Somewhat. I'm not a disciple of anyone or anything but find great value in what a lot of these guys have to say.

My thing is to just (mostly) find audio and listen to random things at random- it almost always has a positive impact on my life - even if it's just for a few moments during the day.

I'd consider flipping through Chicken Soup for the Soul books in this category also - that simple and sometimes my outlook is radically different. Covey and Robbins - I have some audio of their stuff. One thing Robbins talks about that I find indispensable is changing neural pathways - that if you have a consistent negative response to an outside stimulus (including thoughts/emotions) you want to change - you can force yourself to do something silly to change the neural pathways associated with your response.

Mostly I find that their stuff is a repackaging of timeless truths - though we could use that... the old vehicle for that stuff (religion) has become unthinkable for a great many people. Our priests are now heodonistic rock stars. Cats and dogs are living together. It's mayhem.

Of most value though, I'm finding, is doing the mundane discipline stuff in my life that allows me to incorporate the teachings of these imporovement people. Meditation, awareness, physical and interpersonal yogas... all so personally necessary for anyone's words to take root and their teachings to find their way into my life.

I'm going to beat off!!:clap:

epo
11-02-2008, 11:12 AM
Please, if I hear about Stephen Covey one more time I might blow my head off.

ahhdurr
11-02-2008, 11:17 AM
Please, if I hear about Stephen Covey one more time I might blow my head off.

Exactly why I approach them like I do.

I'm very noncomittal with them, their philosophies - whatever. But if you get past how they're all kind of douchey, they're a little more on the carny (rather than rube) side of things and you really take a look at what they're saying - it's beneficial stuff.

My suspicion about these improvement people is that you have to be pretty fed up with how your life is going (:wallbash::help::wallbash:) before you open up to their ideas though. Kind of like AA or anyting else that's along the lines of self help- you tend to ignore them entirely I'd suspect if all's going well.

commish13
11-02-2008, 11:25 AM
I prefer to handle it on my own and with my own ideas.

ahhdurr
11-02-2008, 11:27 AM
I prefer to handle it on my own and with my own ideas.

where'd you get your ideas?

disneyspy
11-02-2008, 11:32 AM
take out the 1st and 12th step of any 12 step program and design a program for yourself.thats all the gurus have been doin for years.throw in your own existencialism and belief ststem and i garantee you'll get a better perspective of yourself and improve on your life and perceptions.

peacefrog081
11-02-2008, 11:36 AM
I can agree with what both of you are saying. On the surface it may all seem corny, and something that only people with problems should use, or not beneficial to all.

From my research and readings though, personal development can be lightly defined as the study of successful people, and how they got to be so successful. For example, Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill is the result of 20 years of research based on Hill's close association to a number of individuals who achieved great wealth throughout there lifetimes. Hill studied the characteristics of these achievers and developed 15 "laws" of success intended to be applied by anybody to achieve success. Think and Grow Rich! condenses these laws further and provides the reader with 13 principles in the form of a philosophy of personal achievement. Some of the individuals studied include: CHARLES M. SCHWAB
HARRIS F. WILLIAMS
DR. FRANK GUNSAULUS
KING GILLETTE
RALPH A. WEEKS
JUDGE DANIEL T. WRIGHT
JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER
THOMAS A. EDISON
F. W. WOOLWORTH
COL. ROBERT A. DOLLAR
EDWARD A. FILENE
EDWIN C. BARNES

ARTHUR BRISBANE
WOODROW WILSON
WM. HOWARD TAFT
LUTHER BURBANK
FRANK A. MUNSEY
DR. ALEXANDER GRAHAM BELL

While attending a millionaire mindset intensive seminar a few weeks ago, I met with some very successful people who are still always learning, growing, and networking with people who want to succeed.

biozombie
11-02-2008, 11:50 AM
I kind of dig Richard Bandler, the guy who co-created NLP...which was pretty much an amalgam of a bunch of other shit that came before it. I found a bunch of his "seminars" online a while ago, he's pretty entertaining and completely full of himself (and full of shit?)
...plus, he pretty much got away with murdering a hooker in the mid to late 80s during a period of heavy cocaine use. He's a fucking maniac, but some of his methods work well for me.

I'm also a big fan of Tom Cruise's character in magnolia.

RESPECT THE COCK! TAME THE CUNT!

ahhdurr
11-02-2008, 01:04 PM
From my research and readings though, personal development can be lightly defined as the study of successful people, and how they got to be so successful.

While attending a millionaire mindset intensive seminar a few weeks ago, I met with some very successful people who are still always learning, growing, and networking with people who want to succeed.

That sounds really cool. I would totally dig that type of environment. I would do it to create certain "causal conditions" for myself - which I'm sure is covered by at least a few gurus. It's a pretty acient concept that I ran in to studying (some) Buddhism where you surround yourself with the conditions that are necessary for your success in any given endeavor.

So you want to make a million dollars - you surround yourself with millionaires. You wouldn't seek out bums. Or would you? Maybe you could learn from their mistakes... it seems eventually you have to find someone that's done what you want to do though.

You want to be more productive at work? You hang out with Earl. See what I did there?

disneyspy
11-02-2008, 01:10 PM
i really thought this was going to be a cool thread til makin lots of money =s personal developement.its a shame

peacefrog081
11-02-2008, 01:41 PM
I am sorry about any misunderstanding there. There are different aspects to personal development, including money, but that is not all it is about.

Personal development includes leadership, team building, goal building, quitting smoking and other addictions, character building, and many others.

I was just using using Think and Grow Rich book as an example of modeling succesful people.

ahhdurr
11-02-2008, 01:44 PM
i really thought this was going to be a cool thread til makin lots of money =s personal developement.its a shame

great point.

If you're really improving... the money, though it tends to start rolling in, is not even an issue. Your life takes such a turn for the better - money becomes what it is.

Would I take a boatload of money - fuck yes. Would I expect it to make me a better person or happier... meh. Definitely more distracted... but any personal work you do is by it's nature character building rather than bank acct. building.

I like to think that I've been given certain capacities/abilities as a human being and that if my focus is on developing those, I can't fail.

I suck to have so many posts in this thread - but I knew I would.

grlNIN
11-02-2008, 02:14 PM
where'd you get your ideas?

Maybe he personally developed them himself?

ahhdurr
11-02-2008, 04:07 PM
Maybe he personally developed them himself?

Maybe monkeys put them there. I'm sure you recognize a rhetorical question.

You, my dear, are contentious.

grlNIN
11-02-2008, 04:53 PM
Thank you.