Star Trek and the economic collapse [Archive]

booster11373

10-30-2008, 08:23 PM

This is probably not a good thread title but........

So tonight I'm watching BBC news at 7 while I'm eating dinner, The are talking about the economic collapse, they are doing interviews with financial people and business people

and

one of the guys commenting on the economy has a huge blueprint of the USS Enterprise (Star Trek version) on the wall behind his desk

Seemed odd, I mean I'm a big nerd love comics, sci-fi, and video games like the best of them but.......

Wouldn'T it seem odd if you went to a financial advisor and the had a bunch of toys of sci-fi posters on the wall? would you take their advice?

seemed sort of childish and yes Im calling the kettle black

ChrisTheCop

10-30-2008, 09:09 PM

Not really, after a few caipirinhas the other night, I got to talking about how this world wide economic crisis might end up leading to the type of system they had in Star Trek. No money, just credits; everyone, around the world, all working for the common good. No war, no poverty. Yes, it seems far fetched, but so did cell phones back in 1966.

Maybe that guy was just as hopeful as I am that something better can come out of all this.

paracetamol flanders

10-30-2008, 09:43 PM

http://www.imaginepeace.com/images/Starpeace.jpg

Judge Smails

10-30-2008, 09:57 PM

Was this the guy being interviewed? Because I've been reading his book entitled "The Rules of Acquisition" and it's one of the best treatises on the Capitalist system that I've ever come across. I think he's been saying that this is a normal market adjustment period and that things should be taking an upswing within the next 3 to 6 months. Thanks to his advice, I'm putting all my money into gold-pressed latinum futures.

http://wwwai.wu-wien.ac.at/~franz/Startrek/gifs/Personen/quark.gif

Doctor Manhattan

10-31-2008, 04:02 AM

...one of the guys commenting on the economy has a huge blueprint of the USS Enterprise (Star Trek version) on the wall behind his desk...

Wouldn'T it seem odd if you went to a financial advisor and the had a bunch of toys of sci-fi posters on the wall? would you take their advice?...

Depends on which Enterprise: Old TV Show (1701), Movies(1701-A), Next Generation (1701-D), Next Generation movies(1701-E) or that crap with the Quantum Leap guy.

Foster

10-31-2008, 04:10 AM

or that crap with the Quantum Leap guy.

that show was called "Enterprise"

Don Stugots

10-31-2008, 04:12 AM

Doctor Manhattan

10-31-2008, 05:11 AM

that show was called "Enterprise"

Then changed to "Star Trek: Enterprise", but still crap.

Foster

10-31-2008, 05:57 AM

Then changed to "Star Trek: Enterprise", but still crap.

are you sure we're talking about the same show?
this one was a prequel to the first show
it told the story of the starfleets early adventures in space
how can that not be great?

TheMojoPin

10-31-2008, 07:32 AM

I agree. As much as I dislike star trek it seems like the most realistic view of the future.

Wait, are we talking about the same Star Trek?

Don Stugots

10-31-2008, 07:34 AM

Yeah. When you compare it to say, star wars for example, doesn't star trek seem more likely?

TheMojoPin

10-31-2008, 07:37 AM

Yeah. When you compare it to say, star wars for example, doesn't star trek seem more likely?

Star Wars is complete fantasy supposedly set "a long time ago" and "far, far away." It's not "us."

Star Trek is a bunch of people running around in pajamas where everyone is apparently a master of every possible field of study. We know next to nothing about the actual scoeity in that world except the vague hippie crap of "no money, everyone gets along and we've fixed everything."

It's like Epcot center comes to life. Maybe I'm a pessimist, but shit like Children of Men and Blade Runner seem far more likely than goofy-ass Star Trek.

Don Stugots

10-31-2008, 07:42 AM

Let me think about more about this and get back to you mojo. You brought up a great example with Children of Men.

TheMojoPin

10-31-2008, 07:43 AM

I mean, it would be cool if the Star Trek utopia could happen, even if it seems pretty boring most of the time.

Furtherman

10-31-2008, 07:55 AM

We know next to nothing about the actual scoeity in that world except the vague hippie crap of "no money, everyone gets along and we've fixed everything."

Kirk's apartment in Wrath Of Kahn was pretty sweet.

TheMojoPin

10-31-2008, 08:00 AM

Kirk's apartment in Wrath Of Kahn was pretty sweet.

True. Though everyone seemed to only wear brown when just hanging around.

Don Stugots

10-31-2008, 08:04 AM

Nimoy liked to wear those robes and they looked comfy. Maybe he was a big orgy guy.

Furtherman

10-31-2008, 08:06 AM

True. Though everyone seemed to only wear brown when just hanging around.

That reminded me of Dr. McCoy's awful tan and brown half pants/half chaps outfit.

And his leisure suit and medallion from the first movie!

Ackk.

Give me Children Of Men future. At least we'll be dressed comfortably.

oldladyfacepuncher

10-31-2008, 08:18 AM

I mean, it would be cool if the Star Trek utopia could happen, even if it seems pretty boring most of the time.

Cruising around the galaxy in a starship finding all kinds of bizarre shit that we can't even imagine would be boring? The drama of ST may suck, but the idea of space exploration and "going where no man has gone before" keeps me interested.

Somebody with an actual imagination needs to resurrect the series. Enough with the quick fix tachyon pulse, and bipedal oxygen breathing aliens. There's got to be some cooler shit out there.

TheMojoPin

10-31-2008, 08:32 AM

Cruising around the galaxy in a starship finding all kinds of bizarre shit that we can't even imagine would be boring? The drama of ST may suck, but the idea of space exploration and "going where no man has gone before" keeps me interested.

Yeah, but the shit they find is so boring, and everything devolves into nerdy technobabble.

Besides, not everyone in that world does that. The few glimpses they've given of "back home" look like a total fucking snore.

And enough with the stupid geek shit of there being no TV or movies or popular sports.

ChrisTheCop

10-31-2008, 08:33 AM

All great points, but again, there were Mojo's in the sixties who would say, "oh sure--personal communication devices that fit in your hand! Idiocy!" and "conference meetings by video" or "big screen tv's-impossible!" "people living in space for extended periods of time? INCONCEIVABLE!"

Just sayin, alot of Roddenbury's ideas seemed unlikely at some point; why couldnt his economic system work as well? Look at the Euro...it's a start.

TheMojoPin

10-31-2008, 08:35 AM

I'm not talking about the tech...the societal theories seem really halfassed and implausible. Doesn't this all hinge on WW3 basically bombng everyone into having nothing? Yeah, good luck getting to Pajama Paradise instead of everyone just devolving into savages.

ChrisTheCop

10-31-2008, 08:40 AM

Well, something like an economic collapse, which causes all countries to scramble together and come up with a new economy, perhaps via the UN (i know i know). And since everyone's part of the same monetary system, as equals...what are wars fought for? Money, which is power. No need for wars... and with no wars, other societal things could branch out; universal healthcare, etc...I know its in a distant future, but we could indeed all be wearing brown jumpsuits before we die.

oh--and people such as the taliban, and al qaeda, who threaten the new economy, would be quashed unilaterally by all countries, as they are a threat to everyone.

TheMojoPin

10-31-2008, 08:45 AM

Yeah, but ST is based out of aTOTAL collapse...society, technology, money, massive loss of life and much of the planet unusable...everything. No way.

And "wars being fought over money" is a rather broad and simplistic summation that's pretty easily argued down.

ChrisTheCop

10-31-2008, 08:46 AM

Well!

TheMojoPin

10-31-2008, 09:00 AM

I mean, yeah, broad economics almost always fit into why wars are fought, but saying they're "fought over money" makes it sound like nations of pirates or accountants or something.

oldladyfacepuncher

10-31-2008, 09:49 AM

Yeah, but ST is based out of aTOTAL collapse...society, technology, money, massive loss of life and much of the planet unusable...everything. No way.

That's what it would take to have such a massive change. We'd have to be on the brink of extinction.

ST Utopia doesn't make sense. They still work, but they don't pursue materialistic things anymore. Which is fine, but there must be some sort of mutual exchange, or how else is Frank the Carpenter going to get Joe the Plumber to fix his pipes. What happens to the lazy people who won't work, or the ones that do a half-ass job?

I can see busting your ass so you get the privilege to journey around the galaxy in a starship, but someone has to stay home and do the mundane stuff. Like I keep telling my wife, "The dishes aren't going to clean themselves."