2009 Boston Red Sox Discussion :(

[brettmojo]

Christ we really do need sarcasm tags here.

[Snoogans]

i found some proof. This is a list of yankees who have used steroids:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:New_York_Yankees_players

[hammersavage]

i found some proof. This is a list of yankees who have used steroids:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:New_York_Yankees_players

Even Butch Wynegar?



Say it ain't so

[brettmojo]

Oakland just loaded the bases.

[Snoogans]

Oakland just loaded the bases.

its already 4-1, who cares. Obviously this is proof that these DUMMIES stopped taking roids.

[Snoogans]

Even Butch Wynegar?



Say it ain't so

WY Ne gar.....Butch WY Ne gar

[ChrisTheCop]

I love that we never believe cops, or each other,
but jump at the chance to believe anonymous lawyers.

[Dan 'Hampton]

That was a classic Papi blast. Good day to do it.

[brettmojo]

That was a classic Papi blast. Good day to do it.
Must be back on the juice.

[TheMojoPin]

I love that we never believe cops, or each other,
but jump at the chance to believe anonymous lawyers.

CTC is the ronfez.net equivalent of Livia Soprano.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Must be back on the juice.

Let's hope.

[ChrisTheCop]

Well, I'm disheartened, to say the least.
I was holding out hope that this report was a fabrication.
I generally dont enjoy stories from anonymous lawyers.

But Papi has confirmed it.
He checked with the Player's Assoc, and they informed him he is indeed on the list.

There truly has been a tear in my eye ever since.

yanker fans will have their fun now, but I truly enjoyed the thought that "my " team was free from this embarrassment.

It of course doesnt completely take away the feelings I've had these past 30 or so years for this team, most notably the past decade, nor their accomplishments during this period, but it stings for sure.

Ortiz says he currently doesnt know what substance put him on the list, and although I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now, it sure is hard to do so.

The steroid era isn't funny anymore. Weird.

[underdog]

Well, I'm disheartened, to say the least.
I was holding out hope that this report was a fabrication.
I generally dont enjoy stories from anonymous lawyers.

But Papi has confirmed it.
He checked with the Player's Assoc, and they informed him he is indeed on the list.

There truly has been a tear in my eye ever since.

yanker fans will have their fun now, but I truly enjoyed the thought that "my " team was free from this embarrassment.

It of course doesnt completely take away the feelings I've had these past 30 or so years for this team, most notably the past decade, nor their accomplishments during this period, but it stings for sure.

Ortiz says he currently doesnt know what substance put him on the list, and although I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now, it sure is hard to do so.

The steroid era isn't funny anymore. Weird.

If it makes you feel any better, know that even with all their cheating, the Yankees still couldn't win a WS.

[Fallon]

Sox got Vic Martinez for Masterson.

Might deal LaRoache now.

[Jujubees2]

Sox got Vic Martinez for Masterson.

Might deal LaRoache now.

LaRoche to Atlanta for Kotchman

[vjr97]

the red sox suck

[underdog]

the red sox suck

Good addition to the conversation.

[hammersavage]

Good addition to the conversation.

what about the 'YANKEES RULE :clap:'


that's a valid point in this discussion

[Kevin]

Victor Martinez is batting 202 since May 19th.

He will fit right in with this lineup, who yesterday had 5 batters in their lineup 250 or under.

[razorboy]

I really don't understand that trade.

[ChrisTheCop]

I think theyre trying to score 43 runs today in honor of Wake's birthday.

And if those other sox cooperate, 1st place would also be a nice gift.

[Kevin]

More proof that the Redsox are a bunch of dirty cheating low lives (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4372389)

What a complete utter sham the Mitchell Report was.

[ChrisTheCop]

That's just proof that the organization is as tough on its other employees as it is their players.

Your time to crow is sadly probably ahead, but for now, stop grasping at straws.

lol.

[Kevin]

That's just proof that the organization is as tough on its other employees as it is their players.

Your time to crow is sadly probably ahead, but for now, stop grasping at straws.

lol.

WHAT?

Two of your biggest players just got caught, and now this security guard thing.

This thing did not stop in 03.

And tough on their players?

Ortiz and Manny knew about this way before this list came out, don't think that the Sox did not.

Its shows jack shit when you fire a bunch of lowly security guards.

[ChrisTheCop]

WHAT?

Two of your biggest players just got caught, and now this security guard thing.

This thing did not stop in 03.

Yeah..umm..about that.

The guy that JUST got caught is a dodger, and was caught AS a dodger.

But yes, TWO of our players from 2003 are REPORTEDLY on the list.

But this security guard story is just silliness. And I understand thats all you got right now; I'm just suggesting you hold back til better stuff happens in the coming days (Ortiz' admission perhaps?). Be patient.

Instead of grasping for excuses about the past, try holding onto first with both hands.

(how daaaare you edit while I'm typing! lol. I'm glad we agree that lowly security guards have little to do with anything).

[Kevin]

Yeah..umm..about that.

The guy that JUST got caught is a dodger, and was caught AS a dodger.

But yes, TWO of our players from 2003 are REPORTEDLY on the list.

But this security guard story is just silliness. And I understand thats all you got right now; I'm just suggesting you hold back til better stuff happens in the coming days (Ortiz' admission perhaps?). Be patient.

Instead of grasping for excuses about the past, try holding onto first with both hands.

(how daaaare you edit while I'm typing! lol. I'm glad we agree that lowly security guards have little to do with anything).

About the Otiz thing..

Where is the out cry, where is the immediate phony press conference like Arod had?

[ChrisTheCop]

Well, although Ortiz is beloved in Boston and feared/hated in NY, he's no Arod, especially when it comes to salary.

He made a statement the day the news broke, and has promised more in coming days.
Thats what I'm saying. Wait for it. THEN crow away. It's coming.

[Kevin]

Well, although Ortiz is beloved in Boston and feared/hated in NY, he's no Arod.

He made a statement the day the news broke, and has promised more in coming days.
Thats what I'm saying. Wait for it. THEN crow away. It's coming.

Didn't he say that anyone who gets caught deserves a 1 year susp?

[ChrisTheCop]

Didn't he say that anyone who gets caught deserves a 1 year susp?

Yes he did. He also said the entire list should be made public once and for all, and that EVERY player from EVERY team should be tested regularly, not randomly.

[brettmojo]

Yeah..umm..about that.

The guy that JUST got caught is a dodger, and was caught AS a dodger.

But yes, TWO of our players from 2003 are REPORTEDLY on the list.

But this security guard story is just silliness. And I understand thats all you got right now; I'm just suggesting you hold back til better stuff happens in the coming days (Ortiz' admission perhaps?). Be patient.

Instead of grasping for excuses about the past, try holding onto first with both hands.

(how daaaare you edit while I'm typing! lol. I'm glad we agree that lowly security guards have little to do with anything).
Wow... Just wow.

And those security guards must have been getting the leftovers.

Don't forgot Bronson Arroyo there said he wouldn't be surprised about being on that list as well... So now it's up to 3 players. Not 2.

[Kevin]

Wow... Just wow.

And those security guards must have been getting the leftovers.

Don't forgot Bronson Arroyo there said he wouldn't be surprised about being on that list as well... So now it's up to 3 players. Not 2.

He was on the list in 03.. So he stopped in 03 and did not do them until this year, don't you get this silly?

[Kevin]

And a 5'6 2b clearly hit 26 hrs without any help....

[ChrisTheCop]

Don't forgot Bronson Arroyo there said he wouldn't be surprised about being on that list as well... So now it's up to 3 players. Not 2.

So now we're not even waiting for anonymous leaks? lol.

Wow indeed.

[TheGameHHH]

I was also on steroids in 2003, add my name to the list. now its 4

[ChrisTheCop]

And a 5'6 2b clearly hit 26 hrs without any help....

Seriously. You went from looking silly to just plain stupid now.

You lost. Get over it. Stop looking for excuses everywhere.

[brettmojo]

He was on the list in 03.. So he stopped in 03 and did not do them until this year, don't you get this silly?
Yeah. It's just lucky that Manny, Ortiz, Arroyo etc. decided to take steroids right up until the Red Sox first World Series title in 86 years... You know, so that they were clean to win it all on their own... And then Manny and only Manny decided to get back on them only after he left Boston. I THINK I GET IT NOW!!!

[Kevin]

Seriously. You went from looking silly to just plain stupid now.

You lost. Get over it. Stop looking for excuses everywhere.

HE HAS LIKE 4 HRS THIS YEAR!

[brettmojo]

And a 5'6 2b clearly hit 26 hrs without any help....
Oh I'm sure he takes his vitamins and says his prayers... You know, like the Hulkster always said.

[brettmojo]

I was also on steroids in 2003, add my name to the list. now its 4
That's alright, go out and jack a three-run homer for us and we we'll give you a curtain call!

[ChrisTheCop]

HE HAS LIKE 4 HRS THIS YEAR!

6 actually, but youve already proven you dont enjoy going with facts.

So ok, we'll say 4.

[ChrisTheCop]

That's alright, go out and jack a three-run homer for us and we we'll give you a curtain call!

But we wont pat you on the head and high five you as if you did something by popping up to a sure out, only to have the first baseman miss the catch. Yay you!! Youre the best!! Who cares you shamed our shameless organization??

lol. This is fun. Arguing with YANKEE fans about STEROIDS!!! Talk about fish in a barrel...20 fish, to be exact.

[Kevin]

6 actually, but youve already proven you dont enjoy going with facts.

So ok, we'll say 4.

I said LIKE 4 HRS

[ChrisTheCop]

I said LIKE 4 HRS

so you didnt like the other 2?

[TheGameHHH]

But we wont pat you on the head and high five you as if you did something by popping up to a sure out, only to have the first baseman miss the catch. Yay you!! Youre the best!! Who cares you shamed our shameless organization??

lol. This is fun. Arguing with YANKEE fans about STEROIDS!!! Talk about fish in a barrel...20 fish, to be exact.

can you shame a shameless organization?

[ChrisTheCop]

can you shame a shameless organization?

Apparently not. But he tried his best.

[brettmojo]

But we wont pat you on the head and high five you as if you did something by popping up to a sure out, only to have the first baseman miss the catch. Yay you!! Youre the best!! Who cares you shamed our shameless organization??

lol. This is fun. Arguing with YANKEE fans about STEROIDS!!! Talk about fish in a barrel...20 fish, to be exact.
HA! HA! IT WAS THE 2ND BASEMEN!!! Face... FACE!

[ChrisTheCop]

Great game! Didnt quite make it to 43, but combined, it was close enough.

That bubble gum on the cap trick always cracks me up.

Martinez fitting in quite nicely. Drew did a great job. Speedy recovery.

Looks like first place will have to wait for now.

[drjoek]

All this steroid stories. Nice timing that their coming to the Stadium this weekend
CAN'T WAIT

[Kevin]

Oh I'm sure he takes his vitamins and says his prayers... You know, like the Hulkster always said.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Kevin2700/DUST-photo.jpg

[Fallon]

And a 5'6 2b clearly hit 26 hrs without any help....

Who? Pedroia?

He hasn't hit more than 17 in a season.

[brettmojo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Kevin2700/DUST-photo.jpg
:lol:

The real funny part is that the head and the body are pretty much in proportion.

[Kevin]

Who? Pedroia?

He hasn't hit more than 17 in a season.

LIES...

326... Thats where i musta got the 26..

how the hell did he ever win the MVP with 17hrs 83 RBI'S?

[Fallon]

how the hell did he ever win the MVP with 17hrs 83 RBI'S?

Lead the league in runs with 118, lead with 213 hits, lead with 54 doubles and lost the batting title by two points.

Also... All-Star, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove

[Kevin]

Lead the league in runs with 118, lead with 213 hits, lead with 54 doubles and lost the batting title by two points.

Also... All-Star, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove

Youk still shoulda won.

[ChrisTheCop]

Who? Pedroia?

He hasn't hit more than 17 in a season.

Lead the league in runs with 118, lead with 213 hits, lead with 54 doubles and lost the batting title by two points.

Also... All-Star, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove

Facts? Facts??! We're talking about steroid accusations here.
We don't need no stinkin facts!!

[Kevin]

Facts? Facts??! We're talking about steroid accusations here.
We don't need no stinkin facts!!

Bah, most of his doubles and hits were hit off a 200 ft wall. He would not have 30 in a normal park

[underdog]

About the Otiz thing..

Where is the out cry, where is the immediate phony press conference like Arod had?

People like Ortiz. No one likes A-Rod.

Didn't he say that anyone who gets caught deserves a 1 year susp?

He said that post 2003, when the punishments went into place, people deserve a year suspension if caught.

Don't forgot Bronson Arroyo there said he wouldn't be surprised about being on that list as well... So now it's up to 3 players. Not 2.

Arroyo is the first honest, current player in this steroid mess. Him saying "we just took whatever" is so true, but people keep trying to act like the playing field wasn't level.

Yeah. It's just lucky that Manny, Ortiz, Arroyo etc. decided to take steroids right up until the Red Sox first World Series title in 86 years... You know, so that they were clean to win it all on their own... And then Manny and only Manny decided to get back on them only after he left Boston. I THINK I GET IT NOW!!!

Oh, shut up already. Just because your team was juicing and couldn't win shit doesn't mean you get to attack another team for doing the same thing. The playing field was level. Everyone was juicing.

When was the last time the Yankees won, anyway? I can't even remember if I was alive. It was like the 1900 or something, right? Was Ty Cobb still playing?

[brettmojo]

People like Ortiz. No one likes A-Rod.



He said that post 2003, when the punishments went into place, people deserve a year suspension if caught.



Arroyo is the first honest, current player in this steroid mess. Him saying "we just took whatever" is so true, but people keep trying to act like the playing field wasn't level.



Oh, shut up already. Just because your team was juicing and couldn't win shit doesn't mean you get to attack another team for doing the same thing. The playing field was level. Everyone was juicing.

When was the last time the Yankees won, anyway? I can't even remember if I was alive. It was like the 1900 or something, right? Was Ty Cobb still playing?
Oh no, no one on my team has been juicing since 2003, you know when the testing went into affect. That's when everyone on my team stopped!

You forgot to start chanting A-ROID!!! A-ROID!!! A-ROID!!!

I wonder if BIG-ROIDI will have the same ring to it?

[underdog]

Oh no, no one on my team has been juicing since 2003, you know when the testing went into affect. That's when everyone on my team stopped!

You forgot to start chanting A-ROID!!! A-ROID!!! A-ROID!!!

I wonder if BIG-ROIDI will have the same ring to it?

Ugh.

You're the type of fan I despise. And you're the reason people hate Red Sox and Yankees fans.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Oh no, no one on my team has been juicing since 2003, you know when the testing went into affect. That's when everyone on my team stopped!

You forgot to start chanting A-ROID!!! A-ROID!!! A-ROID!!!

I wonder if BIG-ROIDI will have the same ring to it?

It doesn't but you got a few days to come up with something on the level of Bitch Tits.

[Kevin]

People like Ortiz. No one likes A-Rod.



He said that post 2003, when the punishments went into place, people deserve a year suspension if caught.



Arroyo is the first honest, current player in this steroid mess. Him saying "we just took whatever" is so true, but people keep trying to act like the playing field wasn't level.



Oh, shut up already. Just because your team was juicing and couldn't win shit doesn't mean you get to attack another team for doing the same thing. The playing field was level. Everyone was juicing.

When was the last time the Yankees won, anyway? I can't even remember if I was alive. It was like the 1900 or something, right? Was Ty Cobb still playing?

Here's the thing..

I don't give a shit about the roids thing. EVERYONE was using it.

My problem here is Redsox fans,(and i am not targeting you, you are one of the fair ones) yucked it up when the Yankees were rumored or caught, but now use that excuse to protect their team.

You can't have it both ways

[underdog]

Here's the thing..

I don't give a shit about the roids thing. EVERYONE was using it.

My problem here is Redsox fans,(and i am not targeting you, you are one of the fair ones) yucked it up when the Yankees were rumored or caught, but now use that excuse to protect their team.

You can't have it both ways

That's why I hate all the fans.

I never made fun of Yankees fans for the steroid thing because I knew the Red Sox were going to eventually come out. And the fact that I don't care if players used steroids.

[ChrisTheCop]

Here's the thing..

I don't give a shit about the roids thing. EVERYONE was using it.

My problem here is Redsox fans,(and i am not targeting you, you are one of the fair ones) yucked it up when the Yankees were rumored or caught, but now use that excuse to protect their team.

You can't have it both ways

What "excuse" are "we" using?

And as for what to call Papi, Orioles fans were so lame, they were just saying "steroids. steroids" You better come up with something better.

As I (barely) heard that chant, I wondered if there was now a stadium in America where that taunt isnt being used.

[Fallon]

Here's the thing..

I don't give a shit about the roids thing. EVERYONE was using it.

My problem here is Redsox fans,(and i am not targeting you, you are one of the fair ones) yucked it up when the Yankees were rumored or caught, but now use that excuse to protect their team.

You can't have it both ways

We don't like Arod.

We'll get on him for cheating on his wife, steroids and homosexual pictures of him kissing himself.

[OGC]

What "excuse" are "we" using?

And as for what to call Papi, Orioles fans were so lame, they were just saying "steroids. steroids" You better come up with something better.

As I (barely) heard that chant, I wondered if there was now a stadium in America where that taunt isnt being used.

You barely heard the chants because there were more Red Sox fans than Oriole fansat the games over the weekend.

[sailor]

We don't like Arod.

We'll get on him for cheating on his wife, steroids and homosexual pictures of him kissing himself.

you hate him for the fact he tried to sign with your team and the union didn't allow the deal. it's really quite funny.

[brettmojo]

Ugh.

You're the type of fan I despise. And you're the reason people hate Red Sox and Yankees fans.

You need to lighten up Francis.

It doesn't but you got a few days to come up with something on the level of Bitch Tits.

Unfortunately I'll only be in NYC for the Toronto series.

Probably a good thing since the Yanks will most likely get swept over the weekend anyway. Unless that is if Smoltz pitches.

That's why I hate all the fans.

I never made fun of Yankees fans for the steroid thing because I knew the Red Sox were going to eventually come out. And the fact that I don't care if players used steroids.
I frankly don't care either. Let the players use whatever they want. They know the risks. If you're gonna' call steroids a performance enhancer then what about contact lenses? Energy drinks? Titanium bracelets/necklaces? Underarmour? Studying videotape that players 50 years ago didn't have? Where do you draw the line?

[Fallon]

I miss the days when the Sox rolled over Tampa.

We need Pedro back.

[ChrisTheCop]

How many homeruns will the house that roids built give up in the next 4 days?

I'm way too excited. Like a little girrrrl.

[cougarjake13]

How many homeruns will the house that roids built give up in the next 4 days?

I'm way too excited. Like a little girrrrl.

23

[ChrisTheCop]

23

20 to go.

[Fallon]

20 to go.

19

[ChrisTheCop]

It may be 23 by midnight.

[Fallon]

It may be 23 by midnight.

Midnight, so you're saying the top of the 6th?

[A.J.]

Another day, another shitty outing from Smoltz.

Looks like I can keep recycling this post.

MOVE HIM TO THE BULLPEN.

Ibid.

Seriously, why does Tito believe he can still be a starter?

Oh, and the Red Sox are bringing back Paul Byrd. That should be a tremendous help.

[ChrisTheCop]

It looked for a minute like the old timer was gonna outlast the rookie.
Especially after some amazing defensive plays behind him, it seemed as if Smoltz was given smelling salts and really found the plate, and his command.

But yeah, that was just for a minute.

Tonight should be a much better game; a pitcher's duel one would hope!

Go Saux!!!

[A.J.]

Tonight should be a much better game; a pitcher's duel one would hope!!

It was. A great one at that. One of the best I ever saw.

4 hits in 15 innings for the Sox. 4 FUCKING HITS IN 15 INNINGS.

[ChrisTheCop]

Agreed. It was a great game. Not just a pitcher's duel, but a pitchers (plural) duel!

We expected it to be hot between Beckett and burnett, but a Battle of the Bullpens??!! Nice!

And I'll give the fans credit, they actually filled up the stadium and for the most part kept it filled all 15 innings.

Obviously hoped for a different outcome, but an exciting game is an exciting game!

[zildjian361]

1918 the curse lives Gotta find that T shirt :tongue:

[ChrisTheCop]

1918 the curse lives Gotta find that T shirt :tongue:

uh.. a few things happened since then my friend. A few things happened.

[Kevin]

We need to play the yankees SOON!

Still feel that way?

[Kevin]

Really Ortiz? THIS is what you came up with? REALLY? (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4385699)

[A.J.]

Really Ortiz? THIS is what you came up with? REALLY? (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4385699)

He couldn't just go the Pettitte route.

Sigh.

[A.J.]

This is pretty accurate: Ten things that have gone terribly wrong for the Red Sox (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/gallery/2009/08_07_09_10_things_gone_wrong/)

[Kevin]

He couldn't just go the Pettitte route.

Sigh.

Future CTC post, Future CTC post.

See, he did not do them, I KNEW IT!

GO SAUX!!!

[Kevin]

This is pretty accurate: Ten things that have gone terribly wrong for the Red Sox (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/gallery/2009/08_07_09_10_things_gone_wrong/)

Pretty much dead on.

[underdog]

Really Ortiz? THIS is what you came up with? REALLY? (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4385699)

Not that I believe Ortiz didn't do them, but it must suck if there is someone out there that didn't actually take steroids but tested positive for them. No one is ever going to believe them.

[HBox]

At least A-Rod admitted to some of his steroid use.

[Kevin]

The Masterson thing got me thinking.

This Tex thing has so many ramifications.

You would not have needed to trade prospects for Vmart.

The Yankees would be struggling with a big hole in their lineup. Prob forcing them to deal a Hughes or Joba for a Matt Holliday or Vmart.

The Yanks because of that would prob be nowhere near where they are now.

And the Sox would be so much better with Tex in the lineup.

The Yankees stealing Tex is one of those deals that are much bigger than thought at the time it happened.

[ChrisTheCop]

Mojopins name is on the 2003 list.

There. I said it. So it must be true.

If we r gonna believe anonymous sources over actual people,
we may just as well admit we r all on that list.

People want the police to have absolute proof before even approaching a suspect,
but if the guy is on a team we don't like, accuse away regardless of facts
or lack thereof.

As for this series so far, only Yankee fans could be happy with a 3-8 record.
And IF they sweep us, they'll be happy with a 1-2 record in sweeps.

I've enjoyed these past 2 games (no not the first one so much) because I'm a fan of baseball and there have been some amazing performances, buccholz included.
I know yanker fans can't enjoy a game unless they win. And I pity them for that.

[brettmojo]

As for this series so far, only Yankee fans could be happy with a 3-8 record and being 5 1/2 games up on that very same team.
Yeah.

[hammersavage]

Mojopins name is on the 2003 list.

that explains the back zits and rage issues.

[HBox]

I'm pretty disappointed in this series as a Yankee fan. Only 24 straight scoreless innings? We only hit TWO Red Sox pitchers so hard that they were subsequently released?

For shame.

[HBox]

Mojopins name is on the 2003 list.

There. I said it. So it must be true.

If we r gonna believe anonymous sources over actual people,
we may just as well admit we r all on that list.

People want the police to have absolute proof before even approaching a suspect,
but if the guy is on a team we don't like, accuse away regardless of facts
or lack thereof.

As for this series so far, only Yankee fans could be happy with a 3-8 record.
And IF they sweep us, they'll be happy with a 1-2 record in sweeps.

I've enjoyed these past 2 games (no not the first one so much) because I'm a fan of baseball and there have been some amazing performances, buccholz included.
I know yanker fans can't enjoy a game unless they win. And I pity them for that.

Yes, who would believe such tenuously sourced garbage? (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77340&highlight=Alex+Rodriguez)

Siriusly? We're shocked? I really thought it was a given that he somehow escaped.

And just for equal time, I will also not be shocked (though somewhat more sad) if Youkilis' name comes up in all this.

But I refuse to believe anyone is shocked today.

[underdog]

I'm pretty disappointed in this series as a Yankee fan. Only 24 straight scoreless innings? We only hit TWO Red Sox pitchers so hard that they were subsequently released?

For shame.

Someone else got released?

[brettmojo]

Someone else got released?
Traber maybe?

[Kevin]

As for this series so far, only Yankee fans could be happy with a 3-8 record.
And IF they sweep us, they'll be happy with a 1-2 record in sweeps.

I've enjoyed these past 2 games (no not the first one so much) because I'm a fan of baseball and there have been some amazing performances, buccholz included.
I know yanker fans can't enjoy a game unless they win. And I pity them for that.

This has to be a bit.

HAS Too.

I'd rather be 8-3 and be 5.5 out than 3-8 and 5.5 ahead..

Makes perfect sense...

[Kevin]

Traber maybe?

Yea... He was left to be slaughtered then released the next day.

[ChrisTheCop]

2 things that I don't "bit".

My Love for the Sox.
My support for my fellow law enforcement officers.

8pm. The House That Roids Built. Be there.

[brettmojo]

8pm. The House That Roids Built. Be there.
Why would I want to go to Ortiz's house? I don't know where it is anyway.

[TheGameHHH]

I didnt do roids.....i swear

[sailor]

If we r gonna believe anonymous sources over actual people,
we may just as well admit we r all on that list.

yeah, i remember you said the same thing when a-rod's name was released. i just can't find any record of it. odd.

[ChrisTheCop]

yeah, i remember you said the same thing when a-rod's name was released. i just can't find any record of it. odd.

What DID I say when Aroids name was released?

edit: Just checked that thread. And I pretty much agreed with everyone that the news was not shocking.

If you dont see the differences in their situations, I dont know what to tell ya.

[ChrisTheCop]

Christian Guzman, you say?

hmmm..I always liked him.

[A.J.]

Christian Guzman, you say?

hmmm..I always liked him.


Now I see what you meant. (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090809&content_id=6332608&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

[brettmojo]

If you dont see the differences in their situations, I dont know what to tell ya.
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2005/10/01/1128170745_2019.jpg

Height?

[zildjian361]

uh.. a few things happened since then my friend. A few things happened.

True good luck tonight my friend. no sarcasm:smoke::drunk:

[sailor]

What DID I say when Aroids name was released?

edit: Just checked that thread. And I pretty much agreed with everyone that the news was not shocking.

If you dont see the differences in their situations, I dont know what to tell ya.

it was more a generalized "you", i had no idea what you personally wrote. it's just funny, the sox fans and others enjoyed their merriment when a-rod's name was released, now that some former sox guys are implicated it's basically "i don't believe anonymous sources"

[Kevin]

We need to play the yankees SOON!

You sure about that, big man?

[sailor]

As for this series so far, only Yankee fans could be happy with a 3-8 record.
And IF they sweep us, they'll be happy with a 1-2 record in sweeps.

yeah, totally bonkers to be happy about a 6.5 game lead. much better to be tied for the wild card.

[brettmojo]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/Tumbleweed.gif

[ChrisTheCop]

Nice performance by Lester, and we got some runs, even grabbing the lead at one point toward the end there...

This Mr Bright Side thing gets harder and harder.

I will officially be worried if we dont win at home.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT! PENNY'S PITCHING TOMORROW! I"M ALREADY PISSED!!!!!

It's gonna....be....alright.

[A.J.]

Back to back series sweeps. 6 losses in a row. Way to piss the season away team!

[ChrisTheCop]

50 games left. Time to pull in to citgo, fill er up and put it in high gear.

[OGC]

Don't take that shit Youuuuuuk !!!:clap::clap:

[zildjian361]

see ya next time at home

[Fallon]

Don't take that shit Youuuuuuk !!!:clap::clap:

Stupid Tigers infield couldn't protect their pitcher, no way You should have been able to get at him.

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[joeyballsack]

Apart from the shitty defense behind him in the first inning, Tazawa hasn't looked terrible so far tonight.

His pitch count is high, but that is escalated from the botched double play.

[sailor]

Don't take that shit Youuuuuuk !!!:clap::clap:

i wish they'd start doing that to sox pitchers. hypocrites.

[joeyballsack]

i wish they'd start doing that to sox pitchers. hypocrites.


You do realize the Yankees lead the league in HPB ?

[A.J.]

Apart from the shitty defense behind him in the first inning, Tazawa hasn't looked terrible so far tonight.

His pitch count is high, but that is escalated from the botched double play.

Exactly. If Green doesn't make that error, they get out of the first with no runs scored. Tek made the smart move right after that by going out there and calming him down.

And Jason Bay's blast couldn't have come at a better time as well.

[TjM]

it was more a generalized "you", i had no idea what you personally wrote. it's just funny, the sox fans and others enjoyed their merriment when a-rod's name was released, now that some former sox guys are implicated it's basically "i don't believe anonymous sources"

I know that gets thrown around allot by Yankee fans but I and most Sox fans I know took no joy in Arod being outed. I think most people just figure from about 92 on everyone was juicing. I will however admit to being surprised about Manny and Arod. I would have sworn those 2 were clean

[TjM]

i wish they'd start doing that to sox pitchers. hypocrites.

By they do you mean the Yankees who've drilled RS batters at about a 20-2 clip?

[ChrisTheCop]

i wish they'd start doing that to sox pitchers. hypocrites.

I'm guessing he was using sarcasm tags.

[sailor]

I'm guessing he was using sarcasm tags.

since at least 2003 the sox have constantly thrown at (at least) the yankees without retaliation. it went back to torre being some sort of pacifist or something. even this example, the sox hit two batters the night before which is what they were getting even for, if it even was intentional.

[ChrisTheCop]

since at least 2003 the sox have constantly thrown at (at least) the yankees without retaliation. it went back to torre being some sort of pacifist or something. even this example, the sox hit two batters the night before which is what they were getting even for, if it even was intentional.

He missed his first target (Martinez), so he hit his next.
Announcers said (I havent checked the stat) that Porcello hadnt hit a player all season, but "knew it had to be done" last night.

[ChrisTheCop]

An encouraging look at mound charges by the Sox. (http://www.examiner.com/x-3314-Boston-Red-Sox-Examiner~y2009m8d12-The-Red-Sox-and-the-art-of-the-brawl)

[sailor]

He missed his first target (Martinez), so he hit his next.
Announcers said (I havent checked the stat) that Porcello hadnt hit a player all season, but "knew it had to be done" last night.

ok, like i said i didn't know if it was intentional, but have no problem if you say it seemed likely. doesn't change the underlying fact the sox are a team that hits batters at an unprecedented rate. i just checked the last 10 years and this is where their pitchers ranked among AL teams in hitting batters


2009 - 2
2008 - 3
2007 - 5
2006 - 1
2005 - 1
2004 - 2
2003 - 3
2002 - 2
2001 - 1
2000 - 4


so, over the last ten seasons, the lowest they finished was 5. only twice were they below the top 3, and only once in the past 9 seasons. QED

[sailor]

An encouraging look at mound charges by the Sox. (http://www.examiner.com/x-3314-Boston-Red-Sox-Examiner~y2009m8d12-The-Red-Sox-and-the-art-of-the-brawl)

if that's the type of bush-league antics that makes you happy to be a sox fan, good for you. personally, i always thought you were above that.

[Snoogans]

if that's the type of bush-league antics that makes you happy to be a sox fan, good for you. personally, i always thought you were above that.

are you kidding? We had a kid in the minors named Izzy Alcantara or some shit and he got hit 3 times in a game and kicked the catcher in the chest and then took off after the pitcher.

Sometimes you gotta fire up the team. Its not all that unlike a fight in hockey when your team needs to steal some momentum. beat up people always gets the blood goin

[Snoogans]

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ballin

[TheMojoPin]

are you kidding? We had a kid in the minors named Izzy Alcantara or some shit and he got hit 3 times in a game and kicked the catcher in the chest and then took off after the pitcher.

I posted the .gif on the last page.

[Snoogans]

I posted the .gif on the last page.

nice.

Check out this angle of Youk

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[TheMojoPin]

nice.

Check out this angle of Youk

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I like how Fenway is so cheap they just write "pretzels" with magic marker on the portable heater thingamajig.

[Snoogans]

I like how Fenway is so cheap they just write "pretzels" with magic marker on the portable heater thingamajig.

I think that was Fallon carryin that too

[TheMojoPin]

I think that was Fallon carryin that too

So he probably just brought his own.

[Snoogans]

So he probably just brought his own.

he has 10 dollar t shirts outside after the game too

[Fallon]

He missed his first target (Martinez), so he hit his next.
Announcers said (I havent checked the stat) that Porcello hadnt hit a player all season, but "knew it had to be done" last night.

He's hit Youk twice this season, nobody else.

They each got five games, that's not to bad. Both are appealing.

[joeyballsack]

I hate the fact they both get the same amount of days. That is only a start missed by the pitcher versus five games from the positional player.

[sailor]

I hate the fact they both get the same amount of days. That is only a start missed by the pitcher versus five games from the positional player.

yeah, the pitcher shouldn't have gotten anything.

[Snoogans]

yeah, the pitcher shouldn't have gotten anything.

yea he was innocent. Only hit 2 batters in his life, both were Youk. yea what an angel. Shut up.

[sailor]

yea he was innocent. Only hit 2 batters in his life, both were Youk. yea what an angel. Shut up.

his life? a 21 game rookie? if you don't see what youklis did as being way worse, you're a lunatic.

[Snoogans]

his life? a 21 game rookie? if you don't see what youklis did as being way worse, you're a lunatic.

you throw a ball at someone on purpose, you have a greater chance to do serious injury and tackling someone. It's not even close. You can kill someone relatively easily if you hit them in the head area with a baseball goin over 90. Chances are you arent doin much by tackling someone

[sailor]

you throw a ball at someone on purpose, you have a greater chance to do serious injury and tackling someone. It's not even close. You can kill someone relatively easily if you hit them in the head area with a baseball goin over 90. Chances are you arent doin much by tackling someone

but what was your point that he'd only hit youklis in his 21 game life? does he have some untold vendetta against him? did youklis rape his dog?

and throwing at someone is part of the game. just ask the sox.

[lleeder]

and he threw a helmet which last time i checked wasn't a throwable object in baseball

[Snoogans]

but what was your point that he'd only hit youklis in his 21 game life? does he have some untold vendetta against him? did youklis rape his dog?

and throwing at someone is part of the game. just ask the sox.

and so is charging the mound. Just ask Robin Ventura

[ChrisTheCop]

Let's see...Porcello threw at Youkils TWICE in his 21 game career,
aaannnd...Youk, in FIVE YEARS as a professional baseball player, and untold pitches targeting his body, has NEVER charged the mound. Not ONCE.

So already, Porcello is twice as wrong as Youk.

As for how Porcello could possibly have a vendetta against Youk in his short career, I hope youre kidding, but just in case there are people saying, "good point," a pitcher throws both good and bad pitches for his team, not himself. Youk is a threat, as is Martinez, which is why they were targeted once the need for "retaliation" arose.

Yes, it's a part of the game, but if the possibility of getting your clock cleaned didnt exist,
it would be done alot more often. I'm glad Youk FINALLY did something about it.

And neither Porcello or Youk are appealing.

[A.J.]

It's nice when hitters hit. Welcome back Mike Lowell and Jason Bay!

[TjM]

since at least 2003 the sox have constantly thrown at (at least) the yankees without retaliation. it went back to torre being some sort of pacifist or something. even this example, the sox hit two batters the night before which is what they were getting even for, if it even was intentional.

And most of those times it was Jeter who got hit because Jeter stands practically on the fucking plate one time when he got hit and had to be xrayed it was called a swinging strike

[TjM]

if that's the type of bush-league antics that makes you happy to be a sox fan, good for you. personally, i always thought you were above that.

Like Girardi getting tossed on purpose everytime the Yanks need a "spark" ?

[joeyballsack]

Yeah..its time to sit Ortiz down in favor of someone else for the DH duties.

Bucholtz pitched really well today but could not match up to what Verlander did. 100 mile an hour heaters in the 8th inning was very impressive and he should have stayed in the game for the complete game, because no way the Red Sox could touch him, especially Papi.

[ChrisTheCop]

Well, moving Ortiz to 7th seems to have worked, for now.

And Clay Buccholz as pinch runner!?!! Gotta love the way Tito thinks; "It's your birthday, go out and score a run." lol. Didnt work out that great, but I liked it.

This was one of those games that reminds you what we all need to remember these days,
NEVER give up on The Boston Red Sox!!!

[Fallon]

Well, moving Ortiz to 7th seems to have worked, for now.

And Clay Buccholz as pinch runner!?!! Gotta love the way Tito thinks; "It's your birthday, go out and score a run." lol. Didnt work out that great, but I liked it.

This was one of those games that reminds you what we all need to remember these days,
NEVER give up on The Boston Red Sox!!!

Tito is lucky the Sox won. Now he's not gonna get shit on for putting Clay in that position.

V-Mart is outstanding.

[brettmojo]

By they do you mean the Yankees who've drilled RS batters at about a 20-2 clip?
In what universe?

[ChrisTheCop]

In what universe?

Yankee Universe. Blech.

[Snoogans]

Well, moving Ortiz to 7th seems to have worked, for now.

And Clay Buccholz as pinch runner!?!! Gotta love the way Tito thinks; "It's your birthday, go out and score a run." lol. Didnt work out that great, but I liked it.

This was one of those games that reminds you what we all need to remember these days,
NEVER give up on The Boston Red Sox!!!

It was the dumbest move ever. It was almost as dumb as lettin pedro come in to show off against the yankees and almost blowin that game.

Tito is retarded. The sox win inspite of him doing dumb shit. Im really starting to hate him, and him doin shit like putting in buckholtz down 1 in the 9th isnt helpin his case.

And what the fuck was buckholz doin near third base, the fuckin shuttle run? MAKE UP YOUR MIND YOU FUCKIN IDIOT. It looked like when the camera spins in MLB the show and your baserunner controls flip and get you all fucked up

[Kevin]

Well, moving Ortiz to 7th seems to have worked, for now.

And Clay Buccholz as pinch runner!?!! Gotta love the way Tito thinks; "It's your birthday, go out and score a run." lol. Didnt work out that great, but I liked it.

This was one of those games that reminds you what we all need to remember these days,
NEVER give up on The Boston Red Sox!!!

Yankee Universe. Blech.

You have officially reached worse than BDC status..

you should be proud of yourself.

[ChrisTheCop]

You have officially reached worse than BDC status..

you should be proud of yourself.

I'm proud that I stay in my own thread and dont feel the need for other team's fan's attention.

And since I wasnt there, what was your problem with bdc again? He dared to disagree with you?

(I post that question here because I know youll be back in to get it.)

[Kevin]

I'm proud that I stay in my own thread and dont feel the need for other team's fan's attention.

And since I wasnt there, what was your problem with bdc again? He dared to disagree with you?

(I post that question here because I know youll be back in to get it.)

He, like you, was a a dumb homer.

[ChrisTheCop]

He, like you, was a a dumb homer.

Speaking of home...go there.

Plenty of room still on that bandwagon.

[Kevin]

Speaking of home...go there.

Plenty of room still on that bandwagon.

What does that even mean?

Was your police exam the redsox version?

Question one. who would make the best police officer

Answer. Any Redsox

Question two: Who has the right of way in an intersection.

Answer: ANY Redsox.

[ChrisTheCop]

What does that even mean?


Ok, just this once, I'll explain. But dont make me hold your hand all day.

Go home means go back to your own thread where you are beloved and your "insights" matter.

And plenty of room on the bandwagon means...oh cmon, really? You dont know that the majority of yanker fans are bandwagoners? and you think I live in fantasy land?!!

(and yes, before you 'retort' I understand that theres alot of bandwagon jumpers to the Sox as well since 04. Yes, you're that predictable.)

[A.J.]

Well, we get to see Alex Gonzalez Act II at SS. (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090814&content_id=6421920&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

[Kevin]

Well, we get to see Alex Gonzalez Act II at SS. (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090814&content_id=6421920&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

Its over..

I shall concede the AL East now.

[A.J.]

Its over..

I shall concede the AL East now.

Yeah. It's our "Texiera signing".

[joeyballsack]

I like the move.

They aren't getting any production at the plate from SS anyways, but at least Gonzales can play excellent defense.

Yeah, they haven't gotten anyone on the level of Texiera, but they are doing what they can to fill their holes.

[drjoek]

Maybe Theo isn't the genius you all imagined him to be

[A.J.]

Maybe Theo isn't the genius you all imagined him to be

He lost his luster long ago. The final straw was that awful Gagne deal.

[sailor]

I'm proud that I stay in my own thread and dont feel the need for other team's fan's attention.

but...you have 21 posts in the yankees thread.

[joeyballsack]

He lost his luster long ago. The final straw was that awful Gagne deal.

I think he has done a pretty good job.

He really hasn't overpaid for anyone, unlike some other teams in the division and has built an excellent farm system which has lessened the need to make a huge trade, reactionary trade. He helped up the asking price for Johan Santana, keeping the Yankees from getting him and has not kept aging veterans around when they asked for more than they were worth.

The Gagne trade was pretty bad in hindsight, but Murphy was never going to play left field for the Sox anyways, Gabbard was reacquired and is never going to do anything in the majors and the third prospect is still playing A ball for Texas.

That trade is more than offset by the Schilling trade though, where he got an ace for three prospects that have still not panned out for anyone and in turn the first World Series title in 86 years.

[drjoek]

He hasn't done much the last few years. Shilling held them up for tha last year he didn't even play
Handley Ramirez is going to be the best player in baseball soon for FLA
Not signing anybody off season is no longer an option
Sorry

[A.J.]

The Gagne trade was pretty bad in hindsight, but Murphy was never going to play left field for the Sox anyways, Gabbard was reacquired and is never going to do anything in the majors and the third prospect is still playing A ball for Texas.

Yes, but I'm sorry: you just don't get rid of a guy named "Murph" in Boston.

I agree though....for the most part, his trades has panned out pretty well. He's had some clunkers and the revolving door at SS since 2004 makes me nervous. I AM disappointed this off-season that he didn't try and bring back Derek Lowe and Orlando Cabrera or go after Adam Dunn when they lost out on Teixiera.

[A.J.]

Handley Ramirez is going to be the best player in baseball soon for FLA

True, but Hanley Ramirez didn't win a championship in Boston. Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell did. So that's somewhat forgiveable.

[joeyballsack]

True, but Hanley Ramirez didn't win a championship in Boston. Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell did. So that's somewhat forgiveable.

Yeah to this answer.

Add in the fact that Theo wasn't the GM that pulled the trigger on the Beckett trade since he "resigned" that off season though.

I forgot to add earlier that the Sox have drafted incredibly well in recent years, further eroding the need for a major, blockbuster trade.

When you can bring guys like Pedroia, Ellsbury, Papelbon and Masterson up and they contribute immediately, you have to give some credit to management.

[Kevin]

I think he has done a pretty good job.

He really hasn't overpaid for anyone, unlike some other teams in the division and has built an excellent farm system which has lessened the need to make a huge trade, reactionary trade. He helped up the asking price for Johan Santana, keeping the Yankees from getting him and has not kept aging veterans around when they asked for more than they were worth.

The Gagne trade was pretty bad in hindsight, but Murphy was never going to play left field for the Sox anyways, Gabbard was reacquired and is never going to do anything in the majors and the third prospect is still playing A ball for Texas.

That trade is more than offset by the Schilling trade though, where he got an ace for three prospects that have still not panned out for anyone and in turn the first World Series title in 86 years.

I would like to blame Theo on Tex, but i think the owners fucked that one up.

[brettmojo]

Yankee Universe. Blech.
Has is that any worse than "RED SAWWWWXXXX NATION!!!"???

[ChrisTheCop]

Has is that any worse than "RED SAWWWWXXXX NATION!!!"???

Anything done in retaliation, or as a response to another thing, is usually worse.*




*See also: Kevin's replies, above.

[ChrisTheCop]

Anywho... 2pm on TBS; the wildcard battle continues with Tazawa!!!

That is, if I'm still allowed to be a fan of baseball even though my team's not in first place.

[TheGameHHH]

Anywho... 2pm on TBS; the wildcard battle continues with Tazawa!!!

That is, if I'm still allowed to be a fan of baseball even though my team's not in first place.

accept that you're the bitch in this relationship and all will be cool. who's your daddy?

[ChrisTheCop]

accept that you're the bitch in this relationship and all will be cool. who's your daddy?


If you guys would ever read your thread instead of just crying whenever someone strikes out, you might see that I congratulated you on our last meeting.

It aint over til it's over, but we are presently just trying to keep our wild card interests alive.

Why does your pal get so upset that I want our team to win, but I also understand we cant win em all? You'd think he'd be happy to be in first, but he never seems to be.

Beware.

[TheGameHHH]

If you guys would ever read your thread instead of just crying whenever someone strikes out, you might see that I congratulated you on our last meeting.

It aint over til it's over, but we are presently just trying to keep our wild card interests alive.

Why does your pal get so upset that I want our team to win, but I also understand we cant win em all? You'd think he'd be happy to be in first, but he never seems to be.

Beware.

chrissy, im just busting chops. no need to get worked up

[ChrisTheCop]

chrissy, im just busting chops. no need to get worked up

Huh? Where did I imply I was getting worked up? I'm just sayin stuff.

No CAPS. No expletives. Just talking.....well, typing really. But no, I'm not "worked up".

[Kevin]

Anything done in retaliation, or as a response to another thing, is usually worse.*




*See also: Kevin's replies, above.

On your 20-2 comment..

You guys hit us for years and because of Torre we never retaliated.

Fuck, you sent Jeter and Soriano to the Hospital in the SAME GAME

[ChrisTheCop]

On your 20-2 comment..

You guys hit us for years and because of Torre we never retaliated.

Fuck, you sent Jeter and Soriano to the Hospital in the SAME GAME

Maybe THIS is the problem. You get mad at a comment and blindly rage at ME when it wasnt I who made the comment. Granted, I may say some irritating stuff, but be sure to be mad at who you WANT to be mad at.

(I researched for ya, it was TJM who said that. Youre welcome.)

[Kevin]

Maybe THIS is the problem. You get mad at a comment and blindly rage at ME when it wasnt I who made the comment. Granted, I may say some irritating stuff, but be sure to be mad at who you WANT to be mad at.

(I researched for ya, it was TJM who said that. Youre welcome.)

Oh, i was told by someone that you said it. if you didn't i apologize.

[TheGameHHH]

Maybe THIS is the problem. You get mad at a comment and blindly rage at ME when it wasnt I who made the comment. Granted, I may say some irritating stuff, but be sure to be mad at who you WANT to be mad at.

(I researched for ya, it was TJM who said that. Youre welcome.)

youre worked up....see?

[A.J.]

When the hell did the Sox get Fernando Cabrera?

[Snoogans]

When the hell did the Sox get Fernando Cabrera?

Maybe we should get Fransisco Cabrera

[ChrisTheCop]

I sat in front of my tv, silently for about 15 minutes after Sunday's loss on tbs,
til I finally snapped out of it when I realized I was watching Tyler Perry and the game was over.

I'm not throwing in the towel on the wild card just yet,
but losing the lead was a hard pill to swallow.

[Coach_Mac]

This is the first time I can say this since around '99 but...
Rangers Baby!

[A.J.]

Hmmmm....Brad Penny fucked up even earlier than usual. Oh well, it allowed me to get some laundry done.

[ChrisTheCop]

see below.

[ChrisTheCop]

Good game today.

Interesting thing happened in the viewing thread though.

Kevin said this:
Here's the deal Chris.

All of the other Yanks sox/Yankee hater fans get along on this board.

Snoogans is a good friend.
Fallon is a good friend.
I get along with AJ, Underdog, Joey, Jonyrotten.
KO.

Fuck, even Spoon and I get along.

The prevailing thought when i talk to most Sox fans is you are an idiot and very childish.

You and BDC are they only two posters i know that both Yanks sox fans agree that you are insane.

You make stupid and ridiculos comments, then when you get called out on them, you turn yourself into a victem.

So please, step back and look at yourself.

I would like the usual Red Sox fan visitors to this thread to comment.

If Kevin isnt lying, then people have been saying something behind my back I'd rather have said to my face (or in this thread)

If Kevin is lying, then I'll request an apology, and I would think youd want one too.

Anyway, majority rules. Make your voices heard. Thank you.

[Kevin]

Good game today.

Interesting thing happened in the viewing thread though.

Kevin said this:
[QUOTE]Here's the deal Chris.

All of the other Yanks sox/Yankee hater fans get along on this board.

Snoogans is a good friend.
Fallon is a good friend.
I get along with AJ, Underdog, Joey, Jonyrotten.
KO.

Fuck, even Spoon and I get along.

The prevailing thought when i talk to most Sox fans is you are an idiot and very childish.

You and BDC are they only two posters i know that both Yanks sox fans agree that you are insane.

You make stupid and ridiculos comments, then when you get called out on them, you turn yourself into a victem.

So please, step back and look at yourself.[QUOTE]

I would like the usual Red Sox fan visitors to this thread to comment.

If Kevin isnt lying, then people have been saying something behind my back I'd rather have said to my face (or in this thread)

If Kevin is lying, then I'll request an apology, and I would think youd want one too.

Anyway, majority rules. Make your voices heard. Thank you.

There you go again, acting like a child.

[ChrisTheCop]

I'm trying to find something out. Addressing it head on. If thats how your child acts, you should be ecstatic.

[Gvac]

Knock it off.

[Kevin]

Knock it off.

Thanks mikeyVac

[brettmojo]

I'm trying to find something out. Addressing it head on. If thats how your child acts, you should be ecstatic.
http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/imageSnag/snidely.jpg

[Gvac]

Thank mikeyVac

Any time.

Next I'm going to go in studio and refuse to play along with any bit.

[underdog]

Good game today.

Interesting thing happened in the viewing thread though.

Kevin said this:

I would like the usual Red Sox fan visitors to this thread to comment.

If Kevin isnt lying, then people have been saying something behind my back I'd rather have said to my face (or in this thread)

If Kevin is lying, then I'll request an apology, and I would think youd want one too.

Anyway, majority rules. Make your voices heard. Thank you.

I think all you fans from New York and New Jersey are crazy homers. Even when they're rooting for the Red Sox. But I've never complained about you, except in this thread to you.

[A.J.]

Good game today.

Interesting thing happened in the viewing thread though.

Kevin said this:

I would like the usual Red Sox fan visitors to this thread to comment.

If Kevin isnt lying, then people have been saying something behind my back I'd rather have said to my face (or in this thread)

If Kevin is lying, then I'll request an apology, and I would think youd want one too.

Anyway, majority rules. Make your voices heard. Thank you.

I was re-reading the other thread to see what the hub-bub was all about. I guess it started after Chris' comment about the Yankees not winning this century. To me, I didn't see it as a big deal because others have said similar things before in jest. Whatever. Maybe I just read it differently than some -- or I'm obtuse. Fellow Sox fan notwithstanding, I've found to Chris to be a ball-buster at times but he's never been malicious and has in fact at times been more gracious than many Sox fans have been. And please, BDC was in a class all by himself.

Anyway, let's move on.

[underdog]

I was re-reading the other thread to see what the hub-bub was all about. I guess it started after Chris' comment about the Yankees not winning this century. To me, I didn't see it as a big deal because others have said similar things before in jest. Whatever. Maybe I just read it differently than some -- or I'm obtuse. Fellow Sox fan notwithstanding, I've found to Chris to be a ball-buster at times but he's never been malicious and has in fact at times been more gracious than many Sox fans have been. And please, BDC was in a class all by himself.

Anyway, let's move on.

What AJ said.

[A.J.]

By the way, I wanted to give props to Junichi Tazawa for the job he did yesterday. After giving up the walk-off to A-Rod the last time he faced the Yanks, he handled his first start against them quite impressively. There's obviously more pressure in this series, and this 23 year old stepped up and allowed 8 hits over 6 innings but more importantly, no runs. Very promising indeed.

[Kevin]

I was re-reading the other thread to see what the hub-bub was all about. I guess it started after Chris' comment about the Yankees not winning this century. To me, I didn't see it as a big deal because others have said similar things before in jest. Whatever. Maybe I just read it differently than some -- or I'm obtuse. Fellow Sox fan notwithstanding, I've found to Chris to be a ball-buster at times but he's never been malicious and has in fact at times been more gracious than many Sox fans have been. And please, BDC was in a class all by himself.

Anyway, let's move on.

No one really said Chris is malicious or a bad person. I do not know him personally so i will not judge him as a person. Ive heard he is a decent guy.

I just think his massive love for the sox sometimes clouds his judgement..

I think he is gunna hate ths comparison, but i am going to give it.

I think he is alot like Arod in the fact that he tends to put his foot in his mouth and sometimes says things that irk alot of people.

Arod tries to give props to other people, but then he just says something that maybe he should leave out, and gets into a shit storm, and makes people forget the intended messege, and seems childish at times.

Anyway, i'm done with it.

[underdog]

No one really said Chris is malicious or a bad person. I do not know him personally so i will not judge him as a person. Ive heard he is a decent guy.

I just think his massive love for the sox sometimes clouds his judgement..

I think he is gunna hate ths comparison, but i am going to give it.

I think he is alot like Arod in the fact that he tends to put his foot in his mouth and sometimes says things that irk alot of people.

Arod tries to give props to other people, but then he just says something that maybe he should leave out, and gets into a shit storm, and makes people forget the intended messege, and seems childish at times.

Anyway, i'm done with it.

Chris bought me a beer (on his own birthday!). Anyone who buys me alcohol is a friend of mine.

[Snoogans]

I was asked via PM to come in here and address certain comments that were made.
before we start, lets forgive Kevin for his broken English and inability to fully relate his points. And thats not a shot, just that happens sometimes.

No one I know ever said anything bad behind Chris personally. What I have commented on is that at times, Chris does seem to be a little too much of a homer and figures out a good way to view things to try to make the sox look better in his eyes.

Now forget BDC, this is a trait shared by TONS of people. I could swear I remembered Chris being the one who said the yankees hit sox players at a clip of 20-2. I only remember cause I remember BrettMojo asking on what planet. Whoever said that is INSANE.

In general Chris' opinion is usually a little biased but he is a fan. I think what Kevin most means is, unlike the yankee thread, where non yankee fans post all the time and discussion moves on, is that any time some one comes into this thread, and posts as a yankee fan or non red sox stuff, chris tells them to go to their own thread.
I dont care, but I can see how some people would think Chris is kinda giving an attitude.

There have been times where I have read stuff Chris posted and thought he was a little too homer, but there is times like that with most. Im sure even I try to put good spins on some Rutgers shit from time to time. I dont think anyone actually dislikes anyone over it.

As far as me talkin to kevin about it, thats usually just whenever something gets posted you are like oh check this out. I have not heard anyone legitimately badmouthing anyone behind their backs.


Calm down, kids

[Kevin]

Chris bought me a beer (on his own birthday!). Anyone who buys me alcohol is a friend of mine.

I'm sensing a comom denominator..


AJ, did Chris buy you a beer?

[Gvac]

All of this nonsense could be avoided if you'd all follow REAL baseball, like they play in the National League.

[Snoogans]

I'm sensing a comom denominator..


AJ, did Chris buy you a beer?

he has bought beers for me

[Snoogans]

All of this nonsense could be avoided if you'd all follow REAL baseball, like they play in the National League.

I tired that once, but that stadium in Newark is so small and cramped. How do you guys deal with that and only having like 5000 fans?

[Kevin]

he has bought beers for me

If he ever buys me Brandy, we are fighting.

[Snoogans]

If he ever buys me Brandy, we are fighting.

if you ever drink brandy, you are fighting. I dont think you even care with who

[Gvac]

I tired that once, but that stadium in Newark is so small and cramped. How do you guys deal with that and only having like 5000 fans?

How DARE you, sir!

Show respect to the senior circuit, where baseball is played the way God intended it to be - with 9 players on each side, not 10.

[Kevin]

All of this nonsense could be avoided if you'd all follow REAL baseball, like they play in the National League.

Please, the NL is where AL players go when they can't cut it anymore.

The NL is the NY Rangers of leauges.

[Snoogans]

How DARE you, sir!

Show respect to the senior circuit, where baseball is played the way God intended it to be - with 9 players on each side, not 10.

right, with the rallys gettin ruined by some shitty pitcher hitting, me wasting time watching guys NOT HAVE THE BALLS to swing the bat and advance a runner like a man.

Oh lets sacrafice cause im not good enough to swing. Fuck those faggots. SWING THE BAT.

And btw, once again, if the DH is so horrible, how come EVERY SINGLE LEVEL AND LEAGUE OF BASEBALL EXCEPT THE AAAA NATIONAL LEAGUE USES IT?

[Gvac]

Please, the NL is where AL players go when they can't cut it anymore.

Other way around.

The abomination that is the DH allows has beens to hang around and keep a roster spot from a kid trying to break into the bigs.

[Kevin]

if you ever drink brandy, you are fighting. I dont think you even care with who

Split the uprights with Adam Nuegertteri

[Snoogans]

Other way around.

The abomination that is the DH allows has beens to hang around and keep a roster spot from a kid trying to break into the bigs.

right thats why julio lugo hit 210 in the AL and looks like mark mcgwire with the Cards. STOP IT

[Snoogans]

Split the uprights with Adam Nuegertteri

ok maybe Chris is right, douche.

STOP REMINDING ME OF THAT AWFUL COMMERCIAL

[A.J.]

I'm sensing a comom denominator..


AJ, did Chris buy you a beer?

Yes. And I want him to buy me more.

[ChrisTheCop]

Circumstances have changed.

Previously posted Offer is no longer necessary.

[Kevin]

Circumstances have changed.

Previously posted Offer is no longer necessary.



Yea, Chris and I talked it out. We are cool.

[Kevin]

All of this nonsense could be avoided if you'd all follow REAL baseball, like they play in the National League.

Yea, Gvac..

NL is a REAL leauge..

John Smoltz got bombed out of the AL and he goes into your REAL NL and K's 9.


NL is a fucking JOKE.

[A.J.]

Who was that guy wearing Josh Beckett's uniform last night?

Way to shit the bed.

[Fallon]

Sox got Wagner today.

Don't know how I feel about this one.

If he can still pitch well, he'll probably pitch his ass off cause he's a free agent next season.

[Snoogans]

Sox got Wagner today.

Don't know how I feel about this one.

If he can still pitch well, he'll probably pitch his ass off cause he's a free agent next season.

plus the pen sucks balls. Sorry Paps, but its horrible. They needed to take a shot here. If it doesnt work, its over this year. Good move, I say

[sailor]

Sox got Wagner today.

Don't know how I feel about this one.

If he can still pitch well, he'll probably pitch his ass off cause he's a free agent next season.

i thought that went thru friday. has he pitched this year at all?

edit: just read he hadn't waived his no-trade until now. didn't realize it was still up-in-the-air

[Snoogans]

i thought that went thru friday. has he pitched this year at all?

he pitched once inning for the mets, scoreless, no hits 2 Ks
didnt make his second appearance cause he couldnt get loose. They had til today to do it

[Fallon]

plus the pen sucks balls. Sorry Paps, but its horrible. They needed to take a shot here. If it doesnt work, its over this year. Good move, I say

Sucks? Really? Best in the AL.

http://www.covers.com/pageLoader/pageLoader.aspx?page=/data/mlb/statistics/2009/bullpenstatistics_mlb_regular.html&t=0

[Snoogans]

Sucks? Really? Best in the AL.

http://www.covers.com/pageLoader/pageLoader.aspx?page=/data/mlb/statistics/2009/bullpenstatistics_mlb_regular.html&t=0

it doesnt matter. Have you watched the past couple weeks? The pitching has been ass in general. ill take all the help I can get

[joeyballsack]

Meh..I dont really like the move aside for the free agent compensation they will get from it.

[A.J.]

I just hope this doesn't turn into Gagne Part II.

And congrats to Jacoby Ellsbury for breaking Tommy Harper's season stolen base record!

[joeyballsack]

Is the guy who always sits behind home plate at Fenway wearing the big yellow headphones, Robert Kraft ?

[zildjian361]

no he went to take a piss

[Fallon]

BIG PAPI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[joeyballsack]

Really nice win tonight.

Wake pitched like the first half Wake, and Papi hit like 2004 Papi.

Hopefully they can get the brooms out tomorrow.

[Fallon]

Really nice win tonight.

Wake pitched like the first half Wake, and Papi hit like 2004 Papi.

Hopefully they can get the brooms out tomorrow.

Obama is in town too. Bosox are taking down his Chisox.

Suck it!

[joeyballsack]

Well, the Sox don't have Brad Penny to kick around anymore, since he asked for and received a release from Boston.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/20090827brad_penny_feels_pinch_gets_released/srvc=sports&position=recent_bullet

[A.J.]

Really nice win tonight.

Wake pitched like the first half Wake, and Papi hit like 2004 Papi.

That was most encouraging to see Wake pitch 7 strong innings

Well, the Sox don't have Brad Penny to kick around anymore, since he asked for and received a release from Boston.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/20090827brad_penny_feels_pinch_gets_released/srvc=sports&position=recent_bullet

Good riddance.

[A.J.]

Great, Wake's back is acting up again and he's been scratched from his next start. And today we get Paul Byrd Act II.

[joeyballsack]

Great, Wake's back is acting up again and he's been scratched from his next start. And today we get Paul Byrd Act II.

I think today's game turned out a lot better than most anticipated. Byrd was really hitting his spots with multiple pitches and really looked good. Wagner looked impressive striking out the side in his only inning also.

I just hope they can continue to play well going into Tampa.

[Kevin]

I think today's game turned out a lot better than most anticipated. Byrd was really hitting his spots with multiple pitches and really looked good. Wagner looked impressive striking out the side in his only inning also.

I just hope they can continue to play well going into Tampa.

Well..


He has not been put in a big spot yet..

[joeyballsack]

385 saves, I think he may have pitched in a couple of big spots once or twice.

I get what your saying, but we aren't talking about a rookie here that is going to get rattled easy. He still has velocity and his breaking stuff had some movement, thats the important thing. Hell, Hughes hasn't been in a big spot either, but would you want anyone else to take his spot right now?

Maybe Wagner implodes, but he delivered the goods today.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Well..


He has not been put in a big spot yet..

I doubt he will be. I see him as a mop up guy when the rosters expand

[A.J.]

I think today's game turned out a lot better than most anticipated. Byrd was really hitting his spots with multiple pitches and really looked good. Wagner looked impressive striking out the side in his only inning also.

I just hope they can continue to play well going into Tampa.

Agreed.

[A.J.]

Great, Wake's back is acting up again and he's been scratched from his next start. And today we get Paul Byrd Act II.

And last night we got Paul Byrd Act I. C'mon Wake -- be like your old self this season.

[hanso]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/priapatic/UPYOURS2.jpg

[A.J.]

Wow: Dice-K didn't suck last night.

[Fallon]

Wow: Dice-K didn't suck last night.

Hopefully he can keep it going!

[A.J.]

Way to blow a 6 run lead. What the fuck is up with Manny Delcarmen lately?