Oliver Stone's "W."

[GreatAmericanZero]

I couldn't find a thread for this film, but Myspace has the new trailer for Oliver Stone's W. Its to the Talking Heads "Once in a Lifetime" and it looks so OliverStone-y I wanna see this movie tomorrow! I'll be there opening day!

Its on this website..i can't find a direct link to the trailer but it should just pop up

http://www.myspace.com/trailerpark

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I'm sure it will be objective and factual.

[torker]

h

[GreatAmericanZero]

I'm sure it will be objective and factual.

who cares whether it is or not? Its Oliver Stone. You get crazy angles, crazy cuts, the trailer even shows Bush falling to the ground choking on a pretzel dramatically.

Oliver Stone is Back! Oliver Stone is Back! Oliver Stone is Back!

[reillyluck]

i saw the preview for this when i went to see Tropic Thunder.

a lot of people were laughing at the preview (especially when they saw thandie Newton as Condoleeza Rice) i heard the people in the back of me go "ohhhh" when they saw "an oliver stone film"

[Contra]

It looked interesting, although how hard is it to make bush funny?

[TheGameHHH]

i saw the trailer before Burn After Reading.......i think it looks very good and im planning on seeing it when i get the opportunity.

[pennington]

who cares whether it is or not? Its Oliver Stone. You get crazy angles, crazy cuts, the trailer even shows Bush falling to the ground choking on a pretzel dramatically.
Which would be great if he just made movies (like Any Given Sunday) rather than rewrite history so it that fits with his political views.

I'll pass on this film.

[Foster]

from the trailer it looks more like a lorne michaels production

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[GreatAmericanZero]

Which would be great if he just made movies (like Any Given Sunday) rather than rewrite history so it that fits with his political views.

I'll pass on this film.

see...its a different P.O.V. from Ollie Stone fans. I know his films arent historically accurate..thats what i love.

I didnt see Transformers or was into it as a kid. But people saw it and said "that was awesome!" I'm sure the Transformers movie wasn't accurate to Transformer mythology all the time, but people loved it. Thats how i feel about Oliver Stone films...i want to say "that was awesome!" Historical accuracy or Politically Correctness doesn't mean shit to me. Its Oliver Stone being Oliver Stone! Its fun. Why be so serious?

[GreatAmericanZero]

shit...i just saw a commercial and its rated PG-13. thats a kick in the nuts

[TheMojoPin]

see...its a different P.O.V. from Ollie Stone fans. I know his films arent historically accurate..thats what i love.

I didnt see Transformers or was into it as a kid. But people saw it and said "that was awesome!" I'm sure the Transformers movie wasn't accurate to Transformer mythology all the time, but people loved it. Thats how i feel about Oliver Stone films...i want to say "that was awesome!" Historical accuracy or Politically Correctness doesn't mean shit to me. Its Oliver Stone being Oliver Stone! Its fun. Why be so serious?

Exactly. People get too hung up on Stone's politics and end up missing out on some amazing films. His last couple have been duds, but everything up there is amazing...even his "failures" during his first 20 years of filmmaking are incredible to watch.

JFK and Nixon are complete bunk historically, but they're basically Shakespearean epics. Amazing, amazing films. I'm hoping this one gets him back on track.

[GreatAmericanZero]

JFK and Nixon are complete bunk historically, but they're basically Shakespearean epics. Amazing, amazing films. I'm hoping this one gets him back on track.

thats a perfect example. "Nixon" wasnt a "wow thats how Nixon was"...it was a film that made Nixon into a Shakespearean figure...its taking history and making great fiction out of it. Thats what he does. People that dismiss his stuff cuz its "not historically accurate" don't get it

[TheMojoPin]

thats a perfect example. "Nixon" wasnt a "wow thats how Nixon was"...it was a film that made Nixon into a Shakespearean figure...its taking history and making great fiction out of it. Thats what he does. People that dismiss his stuff cuz its "not historically accurate" don't get it

It's fucking King Lear. I am in awe of that film every time I watch it.

And Stone's editing is nothing short of artwork.

GAZ, take a gander at my rambling Oliver Stone thread. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=60098&highlight=oliver+stone)

[Chigworthy]

What should I do with Oliver Stone if I'm tired of "Shakesperian" films?

[torker]

The advertising budget for this movie has to be huge.

[brettmojo]

The advertising budget for this movie has to be huge.
The advertisement has been running for 8 years.

[DarkHippie]

I wonder if its a comedy or a tragedy

[JerseySean]

It's fucking King Lear. I am in awe of that film every time I watch it.

And Stone's editing is nothing short of artwork.

GAZ, take a gander at my rambling Oliver Stone thread. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=60098&highlight=oliver+stone)

I actually disagree about the historic aspect of Nixon, I think the film accurately portrays Nixon's inner struggle and and bitterness. Personality wise, it jives with a few different Nixon books that I have read. I think he thinks that he has Bush down, but as of right now there is not that psychological and historical comparison for Bush. Im very interested in seeing this movie.

[GreatAmericanZero]

I wonder if its a comedy or a tragedy

http://www.madisoncomedy.com/images/comedian/ph_louie_anderson.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

I actually disagree about the historic aspect of Nixon, I think the film accurately portrays Nixon's inner struggle and and bitterness. Personality wise, it jives with a few different Nixon books that I have read. I think he thinks that he has Bush down, but as of right now there is not that psychological and historical comparison for Bush. Im very interested in seeing this movie.

While I agree to a point, it's also a much different age in term of access to who our presidents are compared to Nixon's day. We know infinitely more about who Bush is at this point than was known of Nixon when he left office.

The interesting thing about Nixon (the film) is that for all his charges of being insanely liberal, I think the film is a very sympathetic portrayal of Nixon. Historically, it's incredibly subjective at best, but the man himself isn't really demonized.

[JerseySean]

While I agree to a point, it's also a much different age in term of access to who our presidents are compared to Nixon's day. We know infinitely more about who Bush is at this point than was known of Nixon when he left office.

The interesting thing about Nixon (the film) is that for all his charges of being insanely liberal, I think the film is a very sympathetic portrayal of Nixon. Historically, it's incredibly subjective at best, but the man himself isn't really demonized.

I agree with that. If you really read about Nixon, he is a sympathetic character of sorts...unless you were an enemy. It is the perfect contrast. All great men have somewhat of a similar type of personality descrepancy. It is human nature on steroids. Mojo, I suggest you check out some of the Nixon books that have come out in the last 15 years, they are really interesting. I have a special affinity for Nixon because he and I have similiar ideolologies and I see him as a really tragic figure in American politics. Similiar to "W"

I actually had the experience of trick or treating at Richard Nixon's home in Montvale, NJ when I was about 8 or 9. It was cool as hell when you were a kid because the Nixon house had all of these cool prepacked bags loaded with candy. The President waved to us from the window while Pat and some staff ehlped hand the candy. It wasnt a well known trick or treat spot but as a kid anyway, it seemed like they enjoyed doing that for everyone.

[scottinnj]

I'm gonna pass.

I'm not a big fan of movies that make fun of a sitting president. I'll wait for the DVD in February.

I wasn't a big fan of the release of "Wag the Dog" either....it really, IMO, attempted to cut the knees out from under Clinton while he was dealing with Bosnia, and it solidified in a lot of Americans myths that became fact because it was on the screen while Clinton haters capitalized on its propaganda.

[TheMojoPin]

I agree with that. If you really read about Nixon, he is a sympathetic character of sorts...unless you were an enemy. It is the perfect contrast. All great men have somewhat of a similar type of personality descrepancy. It is human nature on steroids. Mojo, I suggest you check out some of the Nixon books that have come out in the last 15 years, they are really interesting. I have a special affinity for Nixon because he and I have similiar ideolologies and I see him as a really tragic figure in American politics. Similiar to "W"

I actually had the experience of trick or treating at Richard Nixon's home in Montvale, NJ when I was about 8 or 9. It was cool as hell when you were a kid because the Nixon house had all of these cool prepacked bags loaded with candy. The President waved to us from the window while Pat and some staff ehlped hand the candy. It wasnt a well known trick or treat spot but as a kid anyway, it seemed like they enjoyed doing that for everyone.

I've read most of the major Nixon books from the last 25 years, but thanks for the suggestion. I really don't see him as tragic per se...he definitely was the victim of his paranoia, but most of his failings he brought on himself through arrogance and ridiculous abuses of power. He was, however, a rather brilliant man.

[JerseySean]

I've read most of the major Nixon books from the last 25 years, but thanks for the suggestion.

I guess it is in the eye of the beholder. I agree that Nixon's downfall was largely self inflicted. People forget that he won 49 states in 72. But I still see it as a tragic downfall.

[KnoxHarrington]

If you want a great Nixon movie, check out "Secret Honor". It's a Robert Altman film, and the great Phillip Baker Hall is the sole member of the cast. And the whole movie consists of one extended monologue, in which Nixon at times tries to justify himself, slipping into self-pity, and at other times lashes out profanely at his enemies -- it's just spectacular.

[TheMojoPin]

I guess it is in the eye of the beholder. I agree that Nixon's downfall was largely self inflicted. People forget that he won 49 states in 72. But I still see it as a tragic downfall.

How? It's not like what brought him down happened TO him...it happened because of him. He went out of his way to abuse the power of his offices over the years. Like I said, yes, the extreme paranoia was unfortunate, but "tragic" to me means something that happens to someone that they have little to no control over. Nixon misusing his power is the complete opposite of that, as you seem to agree. I'm not sure what you see as being "tragic" as to what he did to himself.

[JerseySean]

How? It's not like what brought him down happened TO him...it happened because of him. He went out of his way to abuse the power of his offices over the years. Like I said, yes, the extreme paranoia was unfortunate, but "tragic" to me means something that happens to someone that they have little to no control over. Nixon misusing his power is the complete opposite of that, as you seem to agree. I'm not sure what you see as being "tragic" as to what he did to himself.

To me, the self inflicted downfall of a great man is tragedy.

[TheMojoPin]

To me, the self inflicted downfall of a great man is tragedy.

Personally, I would think that that would seemingly preclude one from truly being "great" in the first place, but to each their own.

[GreatAmericanZero]

well...if i can remember shit from my "english major" days, isn't that the basis of Tragedy?

Like, you have a hero and they always have a flaw (i forgot what its called). But, for example, in the Odyssey, Ulysses was the hero, but his flaw was his Hubris (his massive ego). So thats what made him tragic


or wait..was "The Odyssey" a tragedy?

shit, maybe i don't remember this stuff..or maybe i do. fuck it

[GreatAmericanZero]

ok so i saw this movie tonight

Let me first start off with the very best thing in the movie

James Cromwell deserves 15 oscars for his performance. It was absolutely brilliant. Probably the best "best supporting actor" performance i've seen in years. The way i felt about Daniel Day Lewis in "There Will be Blood" is the way i feel about James Cromwell.

Now its been a couple of hours since i saw it. And it is definitely a good movie. Is it great? I can't say yet. It clearly has its flaws (it is so awkward when James Brolin is suppose to be a college student around other college students and hes clearly way older) but it also has its moments of greatness.

Earlier in this thread, we spoke about watching Oliver Stone movies as stories using real life people to tell these fables. This is a fascinating story. Its about a douchey loser who was never good enough for his father, ends up following in his footsteps and in his attempt to become greater than his father is where he fails. They use Iraq to showcase this. George Bush Sr dealt with Iraq in an intelligent and dignified matter..that an intelligent thinking man would. W dealt with it like a brat who was so eager to outdo his father that it was his downfall

its beautifully Shakespearean the way they put this together using real life events

All actors are at the top of the game. Thandie Newton is wonderful..the portrayal of Karl Rove as this nerdy human WORM was great..and Richard Dreyfuss' Cheney has a speech that brought chills to my spine (the one that ended with Powell saying 'spoken like a true oil man'). In fact, maybe the one weak link in this staff of creeps that Bush has is Jeffrey Wright as Colin Powell...it just seemed a little off with the A+ calibur work of everyone else.

The negative aspects of the movie i understand. I wished it was a bit darker and edgier. Even though there are so many Jack Daniels bottles in this movie that i hope JD paid them, i never felt that W was so out of control with his alcohol. I never felt like he had a serious problem.

I know the movie was cheaply made, so i understand that, but there is so much more of this story to tell. They should've added another hour and i would've prefered to see this directed more "Oliver Stone"-y. Oliver Stone's direction was a bit subdued and i felt with more time he would've gone in full OS mode and the editing and time would've made the story a bit stronger

Still..the film is definitely worth seeing. I think the final hour is better than the first hour. I haven't read reviews of the film (I heard its mixed) but i couldn't imagine any critic saying anything bad about James Cromwell. If anything, even if you hate this movie..you will love his performance and thats worth seeing over anything else

[Bob Impact]

If I wanted to see crazy old W I would watch the news.

Not interested in another Oliver Stone "this isn't how it really happened, I'm just being dramatic wink wink" movie either. Plus every trailer makes this look like a fuckin parody of a real movie.

[GreatAmericanZero]

If I wanted to see crazy old W I would watch the news.

Not interested in another Oliver Stone "this isn't how it really happened, I'm just being dramatic wink wink" movie either. Plus every trailer makes this look like a fuckin parody of a real movie.

but you don't think..hypothetically speaking..that there can be artistic merit in taking a real story and changing it to a story that tells a universal tale of the human experience? I find that way fascinating















oh also, for anyone that sees "W."...when Brolin talks, its "My name is Earl". He sounds just like Jason Lee in "My Name is Earl"..the voice is exactly the same

[Bob Impact]

but you don't think..hypothetically speaking..that there can be artistic merit in taking a real story and changing it to a story that tells a universal tale of the human experience? I find that way fascinating


oh also, for anyone that sees "W."...when Brolin talks, its "My name is Earl". He sounds just like Jason Lee in "My Name is Earl"..the voice is exactly the same
Hypothetically speaking yes. Show me one time that Stone has done that with one of these movies and i'll watch it. Outside of that I have no interest in paying to watch someones thinly veiled politics. It's why I don't see Michael Moore movies and why I don't watch Fox News. I'm not saying Stone is untalented, just that I won't see this.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Hypothetically speaking yes. Show me one time that Stone has done that with one of these movies and i'll watch it. Outside of that I have no interest in paying to watch someones thinly veiled politics. It's why I don't see Michael Moore movies and why I don't watch Fox News. I'm not saying Stone is untalented, just that I won't see this.

fair enough. I love "Nixon" and i told my mom to see it and she said "why would i see it? I lived through it!"


but with "thinly vieled politics" line, i will say this. Everyone is saying how surprised they are too see that it makes W seem like a nice, good hearted man. I don't think Stone works off of politics but more of "what would make better literature". Leaving the theater, i felt i saw a film that is more about "the human experience" than a film about democrats or republicans

[TheMojoPin]

maybe the one weak link in this staff of creeps that Bush has is Jeffrey Wright as Colin Powell...it just seemed a little off with the A+ calibur work of everyone else.

Seriously? You didn't think Thandie Newton was painfully bad as Rice? It was a worse than Janet Jackson playing her on SNL...it's like everyone else showed up to play actual characters and she phoned it in with a shitty, juvenile caricature.

Decent movie...miles better than Stone's last couple of films, but too much of it, for me, was just recreations of things we've seen thousands of times already.

It definitely looked amazing. Stone, when on his game, works with the right people for some of the best editing and cinematography you'll ever see, and this film is no exception in that regard.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Seriously? You didn't think Thandie Newton was painfully bad as Rice? It was a worse than Janet Jackson playing her on SNL...it's like everyone else showed up to play actual characters and she phoned it in with a shitty, juvenile caricature.

Decent movie...miles better than Stone's last couple of films, but too much of it, for me, was just recreations of things we've seen thousands of times already.

It definitely looked amazing. Stone, when on his game, works with the right people for some of the best editing and cinematography you'll ever see, and this film is no exception in that regard.

no, i thought Thandie Newton was GREAT. She was weird and creepy, but so was the rest of the staff. I think Condeleeza is a weird and creepy person in real life


do u think the "recreation of things we've seen thousands of times" is from living through the real events? I put that aside and looked at the story they were trying to tell, and i think thats the way to get the maximum fulfillment from this film

[TheMojoPin]

fair enough. I love "Nixon" and i told my mom to see it and she said "why would i see it? I lived through it!"


but with "thinly vieled politics" line, i will say this. Everyone is saying how surprised they are too see that it makes W seem like a nice, good hearted man. I don't think Stone works off of politics but more of "what would make better literature". Leaving the theater, i felt i saw a film that is more about "the human experience" than a film about democrats or republicans

Yeah, like Nixon, this is definitely a sympathetic take on someone the Left readily demonizes to cartoonish levels.

And dismissals of Stone's politics are absurd...he's all over the map with them. People talk like he's some obvious, flaming liberal, but his on-screen an off-screen politics careen all over the fucking place.

And I think the difference between this and Nixon is that Nixon and his White House were so guarded and secretive and there's still to this day tons of questions as to how things went down and who those people really are. Nobody "lived" the inner workings of the Nixon White House like we have with the Bush White House.

[TheMojoPin]

no, i thought Thandie Newton was GREAT. She was weird and creepy, but so was the rest of the staff. I think Condeleeza is a weird and creepy person in real life

Wow.

More power to you, I guess. It's not a matter of her being "weird and creepy"...I thought she was just fucking horrible. Of course, I already think she's horrible in everythin, so maybe I'm biased, but the friends I saw it with hated her in it and a lot of reviews seem to be singling her out, too. Definitely didn't see anything wrong with Wright.

do u think the "recreation of things we've seen thousands of times" is from living through the real events? I put that aside and looked at the story they were trying to tell, and i think thats the way to get the maximum fulfillment from this film

It's not the timeframe and general events as much as the continual recreations of so many of Bush's "greatest hits" in terms of specific things he said and such.

[torker]

It seems to have an Amy Fischer made for tv movie vibe to it.

[torker]

How was Rob Schneider?

[GreatAmericanZero]

Wow.

More power to you, I guess. It's not a matter of her being "weird and creepy"...I thought she was just fucking horrible. Of course, I already think she's horrible in everythin, so maybe I'm biased, but the friends I saw it with hated her in it and a lot of reviews seem to be singling her out, too. Definitely didn't see anything wrong with Wright.



It's not the timeframe and general events as much as the continual recreations of so many of Bush's "greatest hits" in terms of specific things he said and such.

yeah...i LOVED how the "Bush Bunch" were weird and creepy characters and i thought Thandie Newton hit the nail on the head with her portrayal. I never really studied her performances to have a problem with her (i know Harry Knowles hates her, but hes an obese retard who sucks at life). They tried to make Colin Powell a sympathetic character and i didn't think that entirely worked..but that is a minor minor gripe in this film which..the more im thinking about it...the more i dug it


It seems to have an Amy Fischer made for tv movie vibe to it.

fair enough. But like i said, i think the film is telling a cinematic story that has a reason to exist, while a tv movie will just tell a story of a life

[torker]

Stone's a nut, but I love a lot of his stuff. Working at Blockbuster, I'd tell people I liked Natural Born Killers, but I wouldn't recommend it.

[GreatAmericanZero]

but MojoPin, do u agree with me about James Cromwell?

I really felt the same way about him as i did about Daniel Day Lewis in "There will be blood". A stunning..once in a life time performance, no?

[Kublakhan61]

well...if i can remember shit from my "english major" days, isn't that the basis of Tragedy?

Like, you have a hero and they always have a flaw (i forgot what its called). But, for example, in the Odyssey, Ulysses was the hero, but his flaw was his Hubris (his massive ego). So thats what made him tragic


or wait..was "The Odyssey" a tragedy?

shit, maybe i don't remember this stuff..or maybe i do. fuck it

The flaw you speak of is the hamartia, or the 'tragic flaw' - you were very close to remembering it there... Anyway, The Odyssey was an epic poem, not a tragedy. A tragedy different from the epic poem in that it is driven by an imitation of action, as opposed to narration. (Aristotle - Poetics).

That's my contribution to this. I won't be seeing W until it's a rental - Synecdoche New York is out next week. I'm saving my monies for that.

[TheMojoPin]

but MojoPin, do u agree with me about James Cromwell?

I really felt the same way about him as i did about Daniel Day Lewis in "There will be blood". A stunning..once in a life time performance, no?

Not at all.

I thought he was very good, but I didn't see anything "stunning" in this film.

I thought he was much more impressive in, say, LA Confidential than this. This left me feeling like it was a very strong but ultimately unremarkable supporting turn.

[TheMojoPin]

yeah...i LOVED how the "Bush Bunch" were weird and creepy characters and i thought Thandie Newton hit the nail on the head with her portrayal. I never really studied her performances to have a problem with her (i know Harry Knowles hates her, but hes an obese retard who sucks at life). They tried to make Colin Powell a sympathetic character and i didn't think that entirely worked..but that is a minor minor gripe in this film which..the more im thinking about it...the more i dug it

Trust me, when I'm talking about reviews, I'm not talking about AICN.com

I guess I just don't get Thandie. I don't even see how she can pull of "creepy and weird"...she strikes me at being bad at breathing, much less acting. I didn't buy that she was anything but a bad SNL impersonation for a second. To me, there was nothing to her except a really obvious and silly caricature and making dumb faces.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Trust me, when I'm talking about reviews, I'm not talking about AICN.com

I guess I just don't get Thandie. I don't even see how she can pull of "creepy and weird"...she strikes me at being bad at breathing, much less acting. I didn't buy that she was anything but a bad SNL impersonation for a second. To me, there was nothing to her except a really obvious and silly caricature and making dumb faces.

its interesting how we can disagree about a lot of specific aspects of the film but agree on the overall picture

[TheMojoPin]

Vive la difference.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Vive la difference.

what did u think of that speech Dick Cheney gave..the one that ended with Powell saying "spoken like a true oilman". I thought that was chilling and intense. I thought that was an amazing moment delivered by Richard Dreyfuss' performance and stone's directing.

[fezident]

"What is your exit strategy?"

"There IS no exit strategy. We stay."




That whole scene was fantastic.

[TheMojoPin]

what did u think of that speech Dick Cheney gave..the one that ended with Powell saying "spoken like a true oilman". I thought that was chilling and intense. I thought that was an amazing moment delivered by Richard Dreyfuss' performance and stone's directing.

I was really impressed with Dreyfuss. I thought of anyone he was likely to be really annoying and ridiculous, but he nailed it.

[fezident]

I'm not sure how I feel about this film.

I saw it, and I was enjoying it, but I didn't LOVE it. The tone felt uneven to me. It's an off-balance comedy sometimes.... and yet somehow it was supposed to feel real.
Even the way it's shot felt real. Almost like spying at times.
There's none of that frenetic Oliver Stone camera style which was nice, but... I dunno. I just wanted a little more from this film.

[scottinnj]

To me, the self inflicted downfall of a great man is tragedy.

That's what I got from "Last King of Scotland"....fucking awesome performance by Forest Whitaker. Good thing he won the Oscar for it ah ge ge ge ge ge!

[GreatAmericanZero]

I was really impressed with Dreyfuss. I thought of anyone he was likely to be really annoying and ridiculous, but he nailed it.

i think there is something to be said about playing a "real life character" as if it was fictional character in a script rather than doing an imitation

i LOVE Anthony Hopkins' Nixon. I think its Hopkins at his best (better than Hannibal). But Hopkins didn't play Nixon like Nixon. He didn't do the voice and he didn't look like him. But he played the character. Thats what Dreyfuss did..he was great

I'm not sure how I feel about this film.

I saw it, and I was enjoying it, but I didn't LOVE it. The tone felt uneven to me. It's an off-balance comedy sometimes.... and yet somehow it was supposed to feel real.
Even the way it's shot felt real. Almost like spying at times.
There's none of that frenetic Oliver Stone camera style which was nice, but... I dunno. I just wanted a little more from this film.

i agree. I think once we live with the film for a few months, maybe a year or two, then we will be able to truly judge it

[fezident]

i agree. I think once we live with the film for a few months, maybe a year or two, then we will be able to truly judge it



Once again, I completely agree with you.
I would love to revisit this movie in a couple o' years.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Once again, I completely agree with you.
I would love to revisit this movie in a couple o' years.

Thats why i hate the oscars. cuz truly great films need time to appreciate

movies that win oscars have an "instant gratification" but in time, they just look retarded and stupid

like "American Beauty"


remember Kevin Spacey with the remote control car "I RULE!"...douche chillsssssssssss

[TheMojoPin]

i think there is something to be said about playing a "real life character" as if it was fictional character in a script rather than doing an imitation

i LOVE Anthony Hopkins' Nixon. I think its Hopkins at his best (better than Hannibal). But Hopkins didn't play Nixon like Nixon. He didn't do the voice and he didn't look like him. But he played the character. Thats what Dreyfuss did..he was great

Exactly. I always appreciate that much more than someone trying to do someone else's voice.

[GreatAmericanZero]

i was just looking at Josh Brolin's filmography...who the fuck is his agent? he must have a superagent that makes Ari Gold look like the biggest pussy. He had nothing before 2007, from 2007 and on its just great role after great role. look him up on imdb! its crazy

[biozombie]

I'm still kind of amused that Josh Brolin was the most forgettable person in the Goonies, not counting the non-Joe Pantoliano Fratelli brother.