Hip Hop...DEAD?

[RAAMONE]

i really used to be into rap but i honestly havnt heard anything good in years...probably since eminem (say what you want but he was fuckin good)

everything is about money in the bank...chains...chevys on 26's...shaWtys...and that stupid digital voice altering thing everyone uses (fuck you tpain)

i really dont even like jay z anymore...kanye is a douche but hes pretty talented

anyone know of any good rappers please let me know

oh and has anyone heard Mz. kitty on 66raw? its sooo bad its funny

slap a mutha fucka monday? fuckin shout out to niggas in jail thursday? or something like that...are you serious

these titties be poppin boo!

[Tall_James]

Hip Hop...DEAD?

No. Hip Hop...Hooray!!!

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[EddieMoscone]

There are plenty, you just have to work a little harder to find them sometimes.

The well known cats:

Talib Kweli
Common
MF Doom
The Roots

Some that have gotten some pub:

Lupe Fiasco
Dilated Peoples
Pharoah Monch (his newest album was great)

Some of my lesser known favorites:

Little Brother
Murs
Jedi Mind Tricks
J-Live

Defunct:

Jurassic 5

I can post a bunch more when I get home and have access to itunes.

[Bossanova]

There are plenty, you just have to work a little harder to find them sometimes.

The well known cats:

Talib Kweli
Common
MF Doom
The Roots

Some that have gotten some pub:

Lupe Fiasco
Dilated Peoples
Pharoah Monch (his newest album was great)

Some of my lesser known favorites:

Little Brother
Murs
Jedi Mind Tricks
J-Live

Defunct:

Jurassic 5

I can post a bunch more when I get home and have access to itunes.

Eddie pretty much nailed it for me. I would add Mos Def and Dead Prez, I still love what they put out.
And as much as I didnt want to like him, i am starting to dig Lil Wayne. I have no explination for it.

[Knowledged_one]

Hip Hop is dead because of all of the ring tone rappers out there that cater to the rich white kids to get their stuff on the air

Call me a fuddy duddy but hip hop/rap now sucks because of this there are a few people out there that are ok.

And Hip-Hop died when Master P became popular in about 1999 since then very few things have been put out that i will listen to

But i love my old school from between 92 and 99 - Redman, Keith Murray, Outkast, Wu, Biggie, Pac, Lost Boyz, pharoah monch, fugees, jeru, gangstarr, brand Nubian

I want to punch T-Pain in his neck

[Bossanova]

And you can always re-introduce yourself to the greatest Big L

[Knowledged_one]

Eddie pretty much nailed it for me. I would add Mos Def and Dead Prez, I still love what they put out.
And as much as I didnt want to like him, i am starting to dig Lil Wayne. I have no explination for it.

Lil Wayne = ring tone rapper

[El Mudo]

Waiting for Mojo to take over this thread in 5....4....3...2..

[Bossanova]

Lil Wayne = ring tone rapper

I said I cant fucking explain it, Rap Nazi

[mendyweiss]

I'm Sure Some New Shit Will Be Coming Out Of The Bronx Any Day Now

[Aggie]

But i love my old school from between 92 and 99 - Redman, Keith Murray, Outkast, Wu, Biggie, Pac, Lost Boyz, pharoah monch, fugees, jeru, gangstarr, brand Nubian

I want to punch T-Pain in his neck

I knew I liked you...I hope T-Pain dies a slow voice distorted death.

Don't forget Pharcyde.

[Knowledged_one]

I knew I liked you...I hope T-Pain dies a slow voice distorted death.

Don't forget Pharcyde.

Oh aggie im sure here is one that i know you love (and you are my favorite btw)

Cam'ron and this song:

Hey ma, what's up, lets slide, all right, all right
And we get it on tonight
You smoke, I smoke, I drink, me too, well good
Cause we gon get high tonight
Got drops, got Coups, got Trucks, got jeeps, all right
Cause we gon take a ride tonight
So ma, what's up, let's slide, all right, all right
And we gon get it on tonight

[Juelz Santana]
Yo, Now I was downtown clubbin', ladies night
Seen shorty she was crazy right
And I approach baby like
Ma, What's your age and type?
She looked at me and said use a baby right
I told her, I'm 18 and live a crazy life
Plus I'll tell you what the 80's like
And I know what ladies like
Need a man that's polite, listens and takes advice
I could be all three, plus I can lay the pipe
Come with me come stay the night
She looked at me laughin', like boy your game is tight
I'm laughin' back like show you right
Get in the Car
And don't touch nothing Sit in the car
Let discuss Somethin'
Either we lovin' or I'll see you tommorow
Now we speeding up the Westside
Hand creepin' up her left side, I'm ready to do it
Ready to bone, ready for dome
55th exit, damn, damn, already we home
Now let's get it on


And i also forgot - Boot camp click (fab five, ogc, black moon, smif-n-wessun and the rest), Tribe, Busta Rhymes, Cypress Hill, black Rob, Getto Boys, camp lo

[RAAMONE]

I knew I liked you...I hope T-Pain dies a slow voice distorted death.

Don't forget Pharcyde.

the worst is these rappers that act like they are so street and gangster and they they plug their myspace and shit

tpain is in a song called i'm so hood...and then in other song singing about ringtones

cant stand it

[RAAMONE]

Oh aggie im sure here is one that i know you love (and you are my favorite btw)

Cam'ron and this song:

Hey ma, what's up, lets slide, all right, all right
And we get it on tonight
You smoke, I smoke, I drink, me too, well good
Cause we gon get high tonight
Got drops, got Coups, got Trucks, got jeeps, all right
Cause we gon take a ride tonight
So ma, what's up, let's slide, all right, all right
And we gon get it on tonight

[Juelz Santana]
Yo, Now I was downtown clubbin', ladies night
Seen shorty she was crazy right
And I approach baby like
Ma, What's your age and type?
She looked at me and said use a baby right
I told her, I'm 18 and live a crazy life
Plus I'll tell you what the 80's like
And I know what ladies like
Need a man that's polite, listens and takes advice
I could be all three, plus I can lay the pipe
Come with me come stay the night
She looked at me laughin', like boy your game is tight
I'm laughin' back like show you right
Get in the Car
And don't touch nothing Sit in the car
Let discuss Somethin'
Either we lovin' or I'll see you tommorow
Now we speeding up the Westside
Hand creepin' up her left side, I'm ready to do it
Ready to bone, ready for dome
55th exit, damn, damn, already we home
Now let's get it on


And i also forgot - Boot camp click (fab five, ogc, black moon, smif-n-wessun and the rest), Tribe, Busta Rhymes, Cypress Hill, black Rob, Getto Boys, camp lo

DIP SET! DIP SET! DIP SET! DIP SET!


and i didnt even know anyone knew about camp lo...that is one of my favorite albums

did they ever do anything else besides that cd

luchini pourin form the sky this is it what

[DolaMight]

There are plenty, you just have to work a little harder to find them sometimes.

The well known cats:

Talib Kweli
Common
MF Doom
The Roots

Some that have gotten some pub:

Lupe Fiasco
Dilated Peoples
Pharoah Monch (his newest album was great)

Some of my lesser known favorites:

Little Brother
Murs
Jedi Mind Tricks
J-Live

Defunct:

Jurassic 5

I can post a bunch more when I get home and have access to itunes.

this tread pops up every 6 months, the reason people keep asking it is because people think that pop music is rap, when a vj calls something rap or hiphop it doesn't mean it is.

What eddie said should suffice for an answer to get you started.

[dino_electropolis]

This thread is like 4 YEARS LATE!!!!!

[Knowledged_one]

DIP SET! DIP SET! DIP SET! DIP SET!


and i didnt even know anyone knew about camp lo...that is one of my favorite albums

did they ever do anything else besides that cd

luchini pourin form the sky this is it what

They did put out a 2nd album, it was pretty good had one or two good hits and i think the big song from the 2nd one was on the Saints Row album

Their first album was great, no skipping any tracks

Also forgot about DMX and teh Ruff Ryder crew

[Aggie]

Oh aggie im sure here is one that i know you love (and you are my favorite btw)

Cam'ron and this song:

Hey ma, what's up, lets slide, all right, all right
And we get it on tonight


God I'm embarassed. :flush: I'm a sucker for some pop music.

How did you know I liked that song...do you remember it from the board so long ago? Luckily my taste has improved somewhat and I don't like it anymore.

[Knowledged_one]

God I'm embarassed. :flush: I'm a sucker for some pop music.

How did you know I liked that song...do you remember it from the board so long ago? Luckily my taste has improved somewhat and I don't like it anymore.

Of course i remember that i mean it was only 6 years ago (my short term memory has never been affected by you know what :wink:)

And that song was great but was a bit of a ring tone rap song

And none of them compare to some Katy Perry I kissed a Girl - shes rockin

[Aggie]

Of course i remember that i mean it was only 6 years ago (my short term memory has never been affected by you know what :wink:)


Your memory has fared better than mine...and part of the reason I liked that Camron song is the smoking aspect of it.

What do you think of that M.I.A song Paper Planes? That's a pop station song that I like right now.

[Furtherman]

I am patiently waiting for the return of Chubb Rock.

[RAAMONE]

Your memory has fared better than mine...and part of the reason I liked that Camron song is the smoking aspect of it.

What do you think of that M.I.A song Paper Planes? That's a pop station song that I like right now.

i did like it...until my girl saved it on my xm and i heard a beep every 5 minutes

edit: and i thought the cash register and shotgun noises were put in to cover up swear words...then i realized that was how the song was...kinda corny

[Knowledged_one]

Your memory has fared better than mine...and part of the reason I liked that Camron song is the smoking aspect of it.

What do you think of that M.I.A song Paper Planes? That's a pop station song that I like right now.

I wil have to check it out i havent hear it

But i will say the FloBots are really good, kinda popish but some of their stuff is really good

And some more stuff i forgot about - Craig Mack, Das Efx, Goodie Mob, Lords of the Underground, Mobb Deep (how could i forget them), Capone and Noreaga (L.A. L.A. big city of dreams but things in L.A. aint always what they seem)

And one of the best songs - Supercat w/ Biggie, Puffy and 3rd Eye - Dolly my Baby is super bangin

[Knowledged_one]

oh and another person who put out some good songs

Akinyele - Put it in your mouth - I mean who doesnt like that song, and Will You fuck me for free was another good one

[RAAMONE]

oh and another person who put out some good songs

Akinyele - Put it in your mouth - I mean who doesnt like that song, and Will You fuck me for free was another good one

its great because its just so over the top degrading to women

read the lyrics

[fezident]

HipHop died the day 3 6 Mafia won an Oscar... and my mom was sitting on the couch clapping for them.

[Knowledged_one]

its great because its just so over the top degrading to women

read the lyrics

What you think i dont know the lyrics by heart to both of those. They are bazilly

[Aggie]

HipHop died the day 3 6 Mafia won an Oscar... and my mom was sitting on the couch clapping for them.

What!? Don't dis Project Pat and the greatness of "Chickenhead"!!!

[RAAMONE]

What!? Don't dis Project Pat and the greatness of "Chickenhead"!!!

woop woop

[razorboy]

HipHop died the day 3 6 Mafia won an Oscar... and my mom was sitting on the couch clapping for them.

Whatever. Their more recent stuff may stink but Mystic Stylez was the shit.

[Aggie]

woop woop

chicken, chicken!

:clap:

[Knowledged_one]

Whatever. Their more recent stuff may stink but Mystic Stylez was the shit.

Never heard of them/him/she

[chili]

i really used to be into rap but i honestly havnt heard anything good in years...probably since eminem (say what you want but he was fuckin good)

everything is about money in the bank...chains...chevys on 26's...shaWtys...and that stupid digital voice altering thing everyone uses (fuck you tpain)

i really dont even like jay z anymore...kanye is a douche but hes pretty talented

anyone know of any good rappers please let me know

oh and has anyone heard Mz. kitty on 66raw? its sooo bad its funny

slap a mutha fucka monday? fuckin shout out to niggas in jail thursday? or something like that...are you serious

these titties be poppin boo!

So because you don't like what you've heard lately or haven't found anything good then hip hop must be dead.

O-kay....
:thumbdown:

[RAAMONE]

So because you don't like what you've heard lately or haven't found anything good then hip hop must be dead.

O-kay....
:thumbdown:

there is a question mark after DEAD

therefore stating that i do not in fact think its dead

pay attention

[Knowledged_one]

and it is dead

Listen to interviews by guys from 10 years ago they hate the stuff now because it is ring tone rap, made for everyone with no substance

So my good friend Raamone may not have said it

But i will

Hip Hop is dead R.I.P. we hardly knew ye

[EddieMoscone]

and it is dead

Listen to interviews by guys from 10 years ago they hate the stuff now because it is ring tone rap, made for everyone with no substance

So my good friend Raamone may not have said it

But i will

Hip Hop is dead R.I.P. we hardly knew ye

I have seen Brand Nubian, Big Daddy Kane, Special Ed and Kool G Rap all perform with the Roots. Saying all the old school rappers HATE everything from today is a total exaggeration.

If 10 years is old school, I must be really old. Lets go back to at least 88-92 to consider anything old school.

As I said earlier, there's plenty of good rap. Just because it's not on the radio or tv doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Your ringtone obsession is fascinating. I don't think Brother Ali has ever had a ringtone.

[donnie_darko]

rap died when ed and dre stopped doing yo mtv raps.

the roots, mos def, talib, an Raekwon have it on life support.

Lets not forget Hi-Tek and common, though i think commons music career is gonna affect him the same as mos'.

good luck hiphop.

[Knowledged_one]

I have heard interviews with Redman, Method Man, Big Boi and many others who hate what the rap game has become and how diluted it is

I guess for every individual that thinks its ok, there are those on the other side who hate what it is now

Its like they said in the Wire: "The Game done changed"

and 10 years isnt old school, but 10 years ago is when i think it all started going downhill with like i said the release of the Master P and all his group of morons those clowns put out a new CD every week it seemed and diluted everything.

And i know there are groups that put out good stuff like the Roots (who i saw before they got big in Philly in 94) and outkast.

And most underground stuff is that way for a reason its because most of those guys suck and couldnt put out more then a song or two thats why guys like DJ Green Lantern, Clinton Sparks and the rest put out the mixtapes on teh underground because they only need one song from each person

[Bossanova]

I have seen Brand Nubian, Big Daddy Kane, Special Ed and Kool G Rap all perform with the Roots. Saying all the old school rappers HATE everything from today is a total exaggeration.

If 10 years is old school, I must be really old. Lets go back to at least 88-92 to consider anything old school.

As I said earlier, there's plenty of good rap. Just because it's not on the radio or tv doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Your ringtone obsession is fascinating. I don't think Brother Ali has ever had a ringtone.

I have to agree. Brother Ali, Hezekiah, ect. There are some great artists out there. Here is what I do some times. I go to Pandora and create my own station. Put in Talib and they give you some great artists from today with that sound

[JustJon]

I thought Nas declared hip hop dead a few years ago.

[Knowledged_one]

I thought Nas declared hip hop dead a few years ago.

I wish someone would declare Nas dead

[Bossanova]

I wish someone would declare Nas dead

You watch your mouth sir. Just fucking watch it.

[Aggie]

I wish someone would declare Nas dead


You just need one mic...

































...to beat him to death with along with his milkshake wife.

[Knowledged_one]

You watch your mouth sir. Just fucking watch it.

Boss, my man, my good friend, my homie if you will

Since his first album, Nas has dropped faster then the stock market

and even Aggie agrees with me so i must be right

plus Nas was a big pussy in Belly

[Bossanova]

Boss, my man, my good friend, my homie if you will

Since his first album, Nas has dropped faster then the stock market

and even Aggie agrees with me so i must be right

plus Nas was a big pussy in Belly

HAHA! Im not saying his albums have been amazing, but he is an amazing lyricist. And yes he sucked a dick in Belly


And how many times can I use amazing?

[Knowledged_one]

HAHA! Im not saying his albums have been amazing, but he is an amazing lyricist. And yes he sucked a dick in Belly


And how many times can I use amazing?

You have an amazing grasp of superlatives

[Bossanova]

You have an amazing grasp of superlatives

HAHA! I have been working on my usage.

And may I throw out Pete Philly & Perquisite for some good stuff as well. Not going to blow the doors off, but they are solid

[MacVittie]

Hip Hop is dead, Rock is dead, Punk is dead. Believing all these things (which I do) just brings me one day closer to being the Blowhard.

And that frightens me.

[TheGameHHH]

Your memory has fared better than mine...and part of the reason I liked that Camron song is the smoking aspect of it.

What do you think of that M.I.A song Paper Planes? That's a pop station song that I like right now.

have you heard all the hip hop remixes to that song? theres the kanye, jay-z, lil wayne, t.i. remix and a remix that diddy did (shockingly called "swagger like puff")

[Knowledged_one]

Hip Hop is dead, Rock is dead, Punk is dead. Believing all these things (which I do) just brings me one day closer to being the Blowhard.

And that frightens me.

no worries my friend, Katy Perry and Fallout Boy will carry us into the next generation of music

[Bossanova]

There is a bright side of hip hop being dead though. Many more Ice Cube kids movies are to come:clap:

[EddieMoscone]

Boss, my man, my good friend, my homie if you will

Since his first album, Nas has dropped faster then the stock market

and even Aggie agrees with me so i must be right

plus Nas was a big pussy in Belly

Nas' last 3 or 4 albums have been good or very good.

[Aggie]

have you heard all the hip hop remixes to that song? theres the kanye, jay-z, lil wayne, t.i. remix and a remix that diddy did (shockingly called "swagger like puff")

Nope, I'll have to look for them. Are they good? I just happened to be flipping through stations and stopped because it caught my ear.

[Contra]

I like that paper planes song, it is different. A lot of the "rap" out right now is shit, but if you dig there is some great stuff out there called hip hop. Many were mentioned already, but I'd have to add anyone from the boot camp clique, and little brother is amazing.

[cougarjake13]

yes

[landarch]

And you can always re-introduce yourself to the greatest Big L

Because if rap was a game he'd be MVP

The most valuable poet on the M I C

[Bossanova]

Because if rap was a game he'd be MVP

The most valuable poet on the M I C

Bless you

[landarch]

I love all of this music. I do, however, find it disturbing that in 57 posts, no one has mentioned Mobb Deep. "The Infamous" has one of my highest play count numbers.

[Contra]

Oh by the way, however old you guys don't want to feel, anything 10 years and over is "old school", 1 to 10 years old is a "throw back"

[TheMojoPin]

Nas' last 3 or 4 albums have been good or very good.

Disagree, unless you meant "3 or 4 good songs off of his last few abums."

Dude's been on a fierce slide since "NaS is Like." That single was amazing and then the album sucked and it's all been downhill from there.

More DJ Premier production, please.

[Slumbag]

And yes he sucked a dick in Belly
?
Well, in his defense, EVERYONE sucked dick in Belly.






Cept Method Man.

Check out Papoose. I'm not a big fan of rap, but he's fantastic.

[MacVittie]

Check out Papoose. I'm not a big fan of rap, but he's fantastic.

I think he's pretty good too from what I've heard, but I'm tired of waiting for an album that supposed to "drop" Summer 2007.

[Slumbag]

Man, fuck the studio album anyways.
Go online and get his mixtapes. I have the Kay Slay one, and it's definitely a solid purchase.

[Grim Tim]

I have only a pedestrian interest in this genre, partially influenced by the fact that my fleece is white as snow.

Is there a difference between rap and hip-hop?

[PapaBear]

I have only a pedestrian interest in this genre, partially influenced by the fact that my fleece is white as snow.

Is there a difference between rap and hip-hop?
The way I always understood it was that rap is hip hop, but not everything hip hop is rap.

[ahhdurr]

I'm going to listen to Midnight Marauders.

Shut ya shit and clap yur hands... :clap:

[razorboy]

I'm going to listen to Midnight Marauders.

Linden Boulevard represent, represent

[Grim Tim]

The way I always understood it was that rap is hip hop, but not everything hip hop is rap.

Fucking Venn diagrams...

So what kind of music counts as hip hop but not as rap?

[Knowledged_one]

I love all of this music. I do, however, find it disturbing that in 57 posts, no one has mentioned Mobb Deep. "The Infamous" has one of my highest play count numbers.

I did as well as boot cam click for the other poster

[Knowledged_one]

Linden Boulevard represent, represent

It was i the abstract and the five footer

[Dan G]

Fucking Venn diagrams...

So what kind of music counts as hip hop but not as rap?

To quote KRS, "Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you live."

All rap music is considered Hip Hop, no matter if it sounds pop, underground, east coast oriented, west coast, southern, etc...

[Knowledged_one]

To quote KRS, "Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you live."

All rap music is considered Hip Hop, no matter if it sounds pop, underground, east coast oriented, west coast, southern, etc...

I disagree all rap is not hip hop

all hip hop would maybe be considered Rap

Like 50 Cent is rap not hip hop

[RAAMONE]

I disagree all rap is not hip hop

all hip hop would maybe be considered Rap

Like 50 Cent is rap not hip hop

yeah...people like usher are considered hip hop

[EddieMoscone]

Disagree, unless you meant "3 or 4 good songs off of his last few abums."

Dude's been on a fierce slide since "NaS is Like." That single was amazing and then the album sucked and it's all been downhill from there.

More DJ Premier production, please.

I think the last album was his best since the first. Keeping in mind his first album is a classis is everyone's mind, probably top 5 or 10 is rap history.

I know you're a hard man to please, Mojo. I think I hold Nas in higher regard than most because I feel lyrics and flow are more important than the beats (not that there important).

[grlNIN]

I don't know if Mobb Deep was mentioned but there you go.

I heard a Little Wayne song yesterday on my ride home from work, he'll always be one of the Hot Boys to me but the song was OK.

For me it all depends on my mood. If i want real rap i listen to Big Daddy Kane, E.B. & Rakim, KRS One. Aggressive rap Wu, Pac, Biggie, old school mainstream, Beastie Boys, Run DMC, If i want soulful i go for Nas, ATCQ, Pharcyde.

I don't like ringtone rap, i don't even consider it to actually be rap, just glorified showmanship but sometimes i want to listen to something that's just all around foolish.

I also like T.I. so ftw.

[ralphbxny]

I am patiently waiting for the return of Chubb Rock.

I just saw him in a concert in Brooklyn with Special Ed. It was very exciting!!

A rapper named David Banner just got on my Radar because his new Album was political and was pretty good, but I have to say Hip hasnt been the same in a good 5 years for me.

[Knowledged_one]

I don't know if Mobb Deep was mentioned but there you go.

I heard a Little Wayne song yesterday on my ride home from work, he'll always be one of the Hot Boys to me but the song was OK.

For me it all depends on my mood. If i want real rap i listen to Big Daddy Kane, E.B. & Rakim, KRS One. Aggressive rap Wu, Pac, Biggie, old school mainstream, Beastie Boys, Run DMC, If i want soulful i go for Nas, ATCQ, Pharcyde.

I don't like ringtone rap, i don't even consider it to actually be rap, just glorified showmanship but sometimes i want to listen to something that's just all around foolish.

I also like T.I. so ftw.

ahh another person on board with my ringtone rap theory

[Knowledged_one]

I think the last album was his best since the first. Keeping in mind his first album is a classis is everyone's mind, probably top 5 or 10 is rap history.

I know you're a hard man to please, Mojo. I think I hold Nas in higher regard than most because I feel lyrics and flow are more important than the beats (not that there important).

His first was good then he just followed what everyone else was doing

the 2nd album sucked, then he abandoned his east coast roots to try and sound west coasty when that was big, then he was big on the Kristal and rolex's

He just seems so fake, i mean Oochie-Wallie it was big because it was ringtone rap that the masses ate up

Nas might be one of the most overrated out there and has skated by far to long on the success of his first album

However, he has had some good hits here and there, i mean anyone would when you have been around as long as he has

[Dan G]

I disagree all rap is not hip hop

all hip hop would maybe be considered Rap

Like 50 Cent is rap not hip hop

Content does not differentiate between the two.

If 50 Cent and Mos Def both had songs over the same sample, why would one be rap and the other Hip Hop?

[TheMojoPin]

My personal pic for the most consistently awesome MC, even when he "stumbles":

http://www.hiphopcanada.com/_site/entertainment/interviews/images/ghostfacekillah/p_2.jpg

Ghostface slays.

[EddieMoscone]

My personal pic for the most consistently awesome MC, even when he "stumbles":

http://www.hiphopcanada.com/_site/entertainment/interviews/images/ghostfacekillah/p_2.jpg

Ghostface slays.

I will agree with that 100%. Hard to find many weak links in his discography.

[TheMojoPin]

I will agree with that 100%. Hard to find many weak links in his discography.

Bulletproof Wallets is definitely the weakest, but even that is like half awesome.

I'm pissed his cameo in Iron Man got cut.

[TheMojoPin]

I also really like anything J-Live puts out, even if he sometimes suffers from "same-y" production due to budget constraints.

[EddieMoscone]

I also really like anything J-Live puts out, even if he sometimes suffers from "same-y" production due to budget constraints.

The fact that he did some of his best work while working full time as a teacher is amazing to me. He puts on a really good live show as well.

[TheMojoPin]

The fact that he did some of his best work while working full time as a teacher is amazing to me. He puts on a really good live show as well.

Yeah, the teaching thing was what got me wating to hear him in the first place. That's so cool.

[landarch]

I did as well as boot cam click for the other poster

Oops sorry. The one time I actually read the whole thread I respond with glaring errors.

[Grim Tim]

So rap = hip-hop unless it's yuppie-catered "ringtone rap." Got that...

Hip-hop, on the other hand, is held in higher esteem and, while including rap, is not defined just by rap. Got that, too...

So, can I listen to a song and distinguish between a rap song or a hip-hop song, or is it a matter of context and the artist in question?

[Repent13]

def jux is still around, so hip hop isn't dead.

[Chigworthy]

def jux is still around, so hip hop isn't dead.

They're still juxtaposed definitively? Good news. What ever happened to Cannibal Ox and El-P producto-ing Z. De La Rocha?

[Repent13]

They're still juxtaposed definitively? Good news. What ever happened to Cannibal Ox and El-P producto-ing Z. De La Rocha?

another cannibal ox album probably isn't happening, unfortunately. it's a real shame because the cold vein is probably my favorite hip hop album of all time. vast and vordul both put out solo albums recently, though.

el-p is working on new material. his last album, i'll sleep when you're dead, was great.

i haven't heard anything in awhile about the de la rocha stuff.

[TheMojoPin]

They're still juxtaposed definitively? Good news. What ever happened to Cannibal Ox and El-P producto-ing Z. De La Rocha?

ZDLR must be a pain in the ass to work with. He had those guys, Trent Reznor AND DJ Shadow produce tracks for him in the years when Rage was defunct and only one song ever got released, "March of Death" produced by DJ Shadow, back in 2003.

[Chigworthy]

another cannibal ox album probably isn't happening, unfortunately. it's a real shame because the cold vein is probably my favorite hip hop album of all time. vast and vordul both put out solo albums recently, though.

el-p is working on new material. his last album, i'll sleep when you're dead, was great.

i haven't heard anything in awhile about the de la rocha stuff.

I will take this as a good spot to again bring up the Techno Animal album The Brotherhood of the Bomb. You mix Techno Animal with the likes of Rubberroom, Vast Aire, Anti-pop, and all the others and it's guaranteed "Hip Hop" genius. That Ice album was also good.

[Knowledged_one]

ZDLR must be a pain in the ass to work with. He had those guys, Trent Reznor AND DJ Shadow produce tracks for him in the years when Rage was defunct and only one song ever got released, "March of Death" produced by DJ Shadow, back in 2003.

I think he also had a song on teh first lyricist lounge CD didnt he?

[TheMojoPin]

I think he also had a song on teh first lyricist lounge CD didnt he?

One he guested on, yeah, with KRS-One, but that came out back when Rage was still around.

[TheMojoPin]

What about British hip-hop? And no, I don't mean the awful The Streets...

Roots Manuva:

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Dizzee Rascal:

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[DolaMight]

The fact that he did some of his best work while working full time as a teacher is amazing to me. He puts on a really good live show as well.

I consider him a recording artist not a performing artist. I've seen him twice and the first time I blamed it on the levels but the next time he was outa breath and way off point.

He's here practically twice a year and I just won't bother seeing him anymore. If you're sayin that he must of improved since, I owe him another shot. The best part and all of the above are some of my favorite albums.

[DolaMight]

I also really like anything J-Live puts out, even if he sometimes suffers from "same-y" production due to budget constraints.

murs does fine with budget constraints. PC and a mic, would any foo know the difference.

[DolaMight]

Awol One never gets no love.

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[TheMojoPin]

murs does fine with budget constraints. PC and a mic, would any foo know the difference.

Murs suffers from the same thing. Aesop Rock, Mr. Lif, Atmosphere, Eydea...all those guys. The production ends up sounding very similar after a while. Not bad...but it shows.

[DolaMight]

I disagree all rap is not hip hop

all hip hop would maybe be considered Rap

Like 50 Cent is rap not hip hop

I just call it rap. In the 90's when the Rick Dees and Casey Kasems of the world started calling R&B rap, rappers started insisting on calling it hip hop, then the Ryan Seacrests came along, heard that and started calling R&B hip-hop and they still do.

So to me when I hear rap I think rap. Fuck Hip-Hop, I don't care if it was the original name for it, saying it always sounded goofy to me. Hip-Hop in the beginning meant breakdancing and everything that goes with it. Whereas Rap was just beats and rhymes.

[EddieMoscone]

What about British hip-hop? And no, I don't mean the awful The Streets...

Roots Manuva:

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Dizzee Rascal:

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Mojo, this thread has shown me another side of you I never knew...

I own a Roots Manuva CD, which I liked and am a big fan of Dizzee. I saw him at Irving Plaza a few years back an had a great time. I also think the Streets suck. Don't know why the hipsters and critics have such a hard on for him.

[EddieMoscone]

I consider him a recording artist not a performing artist. I've seen him twice and the first time I blamed it on the levels but the next time he was outa breath and way off point.

He's here practically twice a year and I just won't bother seeing him anymore. If you're sayin that he must of improved since, I owe him another shot. The best part and all of the above are some of my favorite albums.

He is a chubby man, so maybe when you saw him he was out of shape or something. When I saw him at an Okayplayer winter festival type deal, he was definitely on point. Then he DJed and rapped at the same time and was better than the DJ he had backing him the rest of the set. I think it was for Braggin' Writes.

[TheMojoPin]

Mojo, this thread has shown me another side of you I never knew...

I own a Roots Manuva CD, which I liked and am a big fan of Dizzee. I saw him at Irving Plaza a few years back an had a great time. I also think the Streets suck. Don't know why the hipsters and critics have such a hard on for him.

Dizzee is great. His 2nd album was a bit of a letdown, but his latest bounced right back. He's just so gonzo and has so much energy and the production is really creative. Roots is much more laid back, as I'm sure you know, but any of his other albums are worth seeking out. He's got a great flow and a cool dub-vibe.

Yeah, I really don't get the love for the Streets. His rhyming style is AWFUL. So childish and as basi as possible with paper-thin produciton that makes ringtone rap sound epic by comparison. I can only he guess he got the push because he's white and British. MIA gets a similar pass due to her being "exotic" but not terribly good. She's much better than the Streets, but I think she's MASSIVELY overrated.