Baseball or Football? ONLY ONE SHALL PASS

[TheMojoPin]

This is the time of the year when you hear the meatheads on the radio talking about baseball vs. football in terms of which is bigger and truly "America's sport" and such, with baseball callers griping about football getting too much coverage and football callers bitching about the baseball season being too long. It got me thinking of a poll...hypothetically i only one sport could survive based on your choice, what would you pick...baseball or football?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Football no doubt in my mind


I'm nuts to think this (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=66621)

[disneyspy]

baseball is played durin nice weather,theres better things to do.superbowl parties in febuary,need i say more

[K.C.]

It's a very tough call, especially with the hype around the Eagles/Cowboys game this week.

But I'd go baseball.

[hammersavage]

I haven't missed a Sunday of watching every game on multiple TV's at the bar I go to

but its baseball in a landslide. not even close.

[ChrisTheCop]

If football didnt exist, there are many similar, already popular games to take its place:

Soccer, Basketball, Hockey, for example.

Baseball is unique, and therefore irreplaceable.

[El Mudo]

Baseball or football?


how bout neither

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You can have your missing games for "strained eyelids" and 10 minutes of action a game

[Bossanova]

Baseball or football?


how bout neither

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You can have your missing games for "strained eyelids" and 10 minutes of action a game

HA! Mudo is the best.


I hate both of my team equally, but baseball makes me hate other cities more. Baseball can be watch live as where football requires amazing seats to enjoy a game live. blah blah blah. I take baseball

[DiabloSammich]

Football.


Next question.

[Westley]

football ftw! baseball is for pussies!

[TheMojoPin]

Holy shit! My poll got the mysterious Westley, peeper of profiles, to post!

[RoseBlood]

Holy shit! My pole got the mysterious Westley, peeper of profiles, to post!

Enough with the ghey talk!

[TheMojoPin]

STOP MAKING ME GAY

























































er!

[RoseBlood]

.. and just (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jufT3v1roaU) like that, your pole scared him away

[led37zep]

Baseball.


Next question.


Fixed it for ya.

[razorboy]

I love football, but its the ultimate TV sport. Nothing could ever replace the entire experience of going to a baseball game. Its also really the only sport whose developmental leagues can be every bit as fun to watch as the majors. Nothing football has to offer can even approach the drama of a good pennant race. It also would seem, at least for me, my preference would be deeply rooted in nostalgia. Growing up in Tampa and not having a home team to root for (aside from various minor league teams and during Spring Training), such a big part of my Summer memories are driving with my dad up to Toronto for a couple of weeks a year to go to Blue Jays games, and visiting my great-aunts in houston for a couple of weeks for Astros games.

[JPMNICK]

i have to say baseball. it entertains me much more then football if only for the fact that it on during week nights, so it is good to watch after work. football being only 1 day a week is why i choose baseball.

[SinA]

basewhat ?

[epo]

Baseball is for gentlemen, football is for savages.

[spoon]

At least football is interesting EVERY year, in every town. MLB sucks ass over the free agency era. I DON'T find it funny to see what teams people who voted for baseball root for. Even MB roots for a whore FA team, they just suck REALLY bad at it.

Sorry, I love both but MLB with the strike, the setup and the commish I give the nod to NFL.

[spoon]

Baseball is for gentlemen, football is for savages.

Says the man who roots for a team owned by the commish.....ooo sorry his daughter.

[spot]

Baseball, until the season is over. THEN football.

[spoon]

Baseball, until the season is over. THEN football.

Oh there's a team trying to end your season early RIGHT NOW!

[epo]

Says the man who roots for a team owned by the commish.....ooo sorry his daughter.

Sorry, we've got a rich nerd in charge now:

http://www.post-gazette.com/images4/20070419Attanasio_230.jpg

[spoon]

I thought he worked "for" them, even with his mooch involved?

[Friday]

baseball.
duh.

[epo]

I thought he worked "for" them, even with his mooch involved?

Nope. The Seligs are gone.

However Alan "Bud" still insists that the real MLB office is in downtown Milwaukee.

[spoon]

Nope. The Seligs are gone.

However Alan "Bud" still insists that the real MLB office is in downtown Milwaukee.

Good for you guys! However, I just looked at the front office and Gord Ash is involved (asst GM) and that I assure you IS NOT GOOD!

[epo]

Good for you guys! However, I just looked at the front office and Gord Ash is involved (asst GM) and that I assure you IS NOT GOOD!

Gord has been fine as an assistant. If he was in charge though, I might jump off a bridge.

[cougarjake13]

for me this is a no brainer

its football hands down

[DonInNC]

Football barely over baseball on television, but attending baseball games is what life is all about.

[PD]

Baseball.

I love football; it's once a week for 16 (or so) weeks and I watch on TV.

I live and die baseball. It's (mostly) every day/night from March to October. I watch on TV or listen on the radio, or even sometimes put on Gameday on the computer to see what's happening.

[Snoogans]

football. It sets up better to watch cause its all at the same, set times. Way better on tv.

If you mean going to a game in person, baseball is better. NFL games kinda suck in person.


College football owns them all though

[TheGameHHH]

both are great in their own ways but im literally in love with the game of baseball.

[cougarjake13]

both are great in their own ways but im literally in love with the game of baseball.

fag :drunk::lol::laugh:

[TheGameHHH]

fag :drunk::lol::laugh:

yea ill bite, im gay for baseball

[dino_electropolis]

If football didnt exist, there are many similar, already popular games to take its place:

Soccer, Basketball, Hockey, for example.

Baseball is unique, and therefore irreplaceable.

Absolutley.



Baseball wins this.

More strategy, more drama, more explosive memories.......


.....reminds me of a chick i used to date.

[Sarge]

Baseball.

[joeyballsack]

Baseball by far.

Catching a foul ball, seventh inning stretch, rally caps, September call ups, and baseball caps are just a few reasons why.

[Snoogans]

Absolutley.



Baseball wins this.

More strategy, more drama, more explosive memories.......


.....reminds me of a chick i used to date.

more strategy in baseball, where you dont really make up much, just decide when to do things? I think there is WAY more strategy in football, being that you have to literally devise everything you do. Its not like telling your starter for the first few innings just go out and pitch, and maybe calling a hit and run here until the game gets late. Everything you do in football from the coin toss to the final play is based on the strategy the coaches put in for their teams. Its not even close

[dino_electropolis]

more strategy in baseball, where you dont really make up much, just decide when to do things? I think there is WAY more strategy in football, being that you have to literally devise everything you do. Its not like telling your starter for the first few innings just go out and pitch, and maybe calling a hit and run here until the game gets late. Everything you do in football from the coin toss to the final play is based on the strategy the coaches put in for their teams. Its not even close

I used to catch in a baseball league. EVERY pitch is the result of a strategic decision. The count on the batter, the batter's history, the batter's current streak, the inning of the game, etc etc dictate the type/placement of the pitch.

And there is a pitch, on average, every 20 seconds......There is no "just go out and pitch". Now, the pitcher may not be getting direction from the bench on each pitch, but there is a strategic reason for each pitch thrown. No question.

Football consists of four 15 min halves that take 3+ hours to complete.
Fun.

Most guys who like football do so b/c they feel they have to. Because, football made it ok for dateless losers who werent athletic enough to play the sport to get together and act like men for 3 + hours...they use it as a supplement for their own lack of testosterone.

And Baseball never had a problem with players pulling out cell phones in the middle of the game to grandstand.

Ok, admittedly, big nasty hits and great catches are nice.



Baseball has those too......and with much more strategy.

[Snoogans]

I used to catch in a baseball league. EVERY pitch is the result of a strategic decision. The count on the batter, the batter's history, the batter's current streak, the inning of the game, etc etc dictate the type/placement of the pitch.

And there is a pitch, on average, every 20 seconds......There is no "just go out and pitch". Now, the pitcher may not be getting direction from the bench on each pitch, but there is a strategic reason for each pitch thrown. No question.

Football consists of four 15 min halves that take 3+ hours to complete.
Fun.

Most guys who like football do so b/c they feel they have to. Because, football made it ok for dateless losers who werent athletic enough to play the sport to get together and act like men for 3 + hours...they use it as a supplement for their own lack of testosterone.

And Baseball never had a problem with players pulling out cell phones in the middle of the game to grandstand.

Ok, admittedly, big nasty hits and great catches are nice.



Baseball has those too......and with much more strategy.


I dont feel like I have to do anything first of all. I never said I liked one or the other better. In fact, I played baseball more in HS then I did football. To the cellphone thing, it wasnt in the middle of the game persay, play is dead. And why is that a problem? YOU SCORED A TOUCHDOWN, you should do something fun to celebrate.

Football still has more strategy. every play, like every pitch is a strategy. Here is the difference. Baseball is set. There positions and formations, for the most part are set. THere is a shift here or there, but even when an OF is moved over or guys are guarding the lines, they are at their spot. Football has 11 guys on the field, but only 5 cant be eligible and have to do a set thing. The other ones its up to you. In baseball, you have to pitch and you have to try to hit and the stratagy comes off that. In football, YOU MAKE THE WHOLE GAME AND STRATAGY. You can set guys up however you want as long as 7 are on the line. You can put a guy 20 yards behind the line. You can never run if you dont want, you can never pass. Its up to you. You have so many more choices in football during a game of what you can do, that it cant have less strategy.

Im not hating on baseball. I like them both pretty equal, and NEITHER is my favorite sport. So dont take the side of the arguement that I was argueing for football as a better sport.

But you cant deny, just based on how the games are set up and how much more independance you have to do things in football, that there is way more strategy that takes place for a game to happen. Once a pitcher decides what pitch he wants to throw, he throws it. The majority of the time, the rest of the play is reaction. In football, once they decide what they are gonna do, they have to read how everyone else is set, what they are gonna do, then possibly change it, move guys around. Then the play starts, and then you react, and strategy STILL comes into that. There are no misdirection fly balls in baseball. You cant fool an OF by making him think you are gonna hit it there and then it goes the other way. There is strategy and then alot of reaction in baseball. There is alot of strategy and then reaction in football

[Snoogans]

another quick point to you attacking football TD celebrations and acting like baseball is all class when guys stare at home runs for 20 seconds or pump there fists when they round the bases or jump up and down when they score. How is that any different then doing a touchdown dance?

[Snoogans]

Most guys who like football do so b/c they feel they have to. Because, football made it ok for dateless losers who werent athletic enough to play the sport to get together and act like men for 3 + hours...they use it as a supplement for their own lack of testosterone.

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and i just want people to read this again and see the retardation of this post. So let me guess, you watching baseball has NOTHING to do with the fact that you cant hit a baseball like that and so its impressive? No matter what sport or athletic indevor people watch, its usually cause they arent able to do that shit themselves, and so its impressive. Alot of guys who do play sports dont watch other games cause its not as impressive. You basically laid an insult on football fans that you can lay on yourself as a baseball fan and ANY OTHER FAN OF ANY OTHER SPORT who isnt good enough to be a top level professional

[TheMojoPin]

I love football, and it has a ton of strategy involved, but baseball is much more mapped out strategically, before, during and after the game.

[dino_electropolis]

another quick point to you attacking football TD celebrations and acting like baseball is all class when guys stare at home runs for 20 seconds or pump there fists when they round the bases or jump up and down when they score. How is that any different then doing a touchdown dance?

Baseball doesnt use props.



Also, there over 100 pitches per team per game....200 strategic "plays" each game.

How many "plays" do you get in football.....?

[Snoogans]

I love football, and it has a ton of strategy involved, but baseball is much more mapped out strategically, before, during and after the game.

how so? once you fill out the lineup, assuming your starter doesnt get lit up, you dont really do much as a manager for half the game. You arent taking anyone out, and there are pretty preset senarios for things like when to bunt and hit and run. You dont have to draw up your entire gameplan like you do in football calling plays. You choose from 4 pitches every time you throw one, not 200 plays with motion and formation variations. I played safety for football, and I pitched in baseball. There was way more planning, thinking and adjusting in a half of football then there was in probably every baseball game I played.

[Snoogans]

Baseball doesnt use props.



Also, there over 100 pitches per team per game....200 strategic "plays" each game.

How many "plays" do you get in football.....?

65-75 per team avg.

But in your 200 pitches you choose from 4 at most each time.

In the roughly 130-150 plays a game in football, you choose from sometimes over 200 choices each time. Think about it, seriously

[TheMojoPin]

how so? once you fill out the lineup, assuming your starter doesnt get lit up, you dont really do much as a manager for half the game. You arent taking anyone out, and there are pretty preset senarios for things like when to bunt and hit and run. You dont have to draw up your entire gameplan like you do in football calling plays. You choose from 4 pitches every time you throw one, not 200 plays with motion and formation variations. I played safety for football, and I pitched in baseball. There was way more planning, thinking and adjusting in a half of football then there was in probably every baseball game I played.

You didn't play anything even remotely close to pro baseball. You're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay oversimplifying MLB-level ball.

Football is basically the same from high school on up; everyone just gets bigger and faster and stronger. That's actually part of what is great about it.

[Snoogans]

again, im not hating on baseball, i love it. I pitched, I know it has strategy, but not as much. That doesnt make it worse. It has way more then basketball, if that helps.

But seriously, each pitch will i throw this this this or that.

Each play will i run, then what of the bunch of formations, then what type of run, where to run, who to run it at, how to move the line to get space. Its ALOT more then people who ever like football realize. And its way more then every other sport

[dino_electropolis]

and i just want people to read this again and see the retardation of this post. So let me guess, you watching baseball has NOTHING to do with the fact that you cant hit a baseball like that and so its impressive? No matter what sport or athletic indevor people watch, its usually cause they arent able to do that shit themselves, and so its impressive. Alot of guys who do play sports dont watch other games cause its not as impressive. You basically laid an insult on football fans that you can lay on yourself as a baseball fan and ANY OTHER FAN OF ANY OTHER SPORT who isnt good enough to be a top level professional

You dont need to be a top level pro to play football. You can play with friends. One arm? ok. Two legs? Perfect. All you have to do is be able to hold onto a football that is handed to you and run forward.

Great strategy, as running backwards may prove detrimental.

Baseball, on the other hand, is not somethin anyone can play....to hit a ball, with power, precision and direction to land "where they ain't"- alot more demanding.

[TheGameHHH]

65-75 per team avg.

But in your 200 pitches you choose from 4 at most each time.

In the roughly 130-150 plays a game in football, you choose from sometimes over 200 choices each time. Think about it, seriously

you could argue pitch and location are seperate choices, so of your four total pitches and nine total pitch locations (possibly more) you can say you choose from at least 36 options every pitch.

i think im siding with you that football has more strategy but that dosnt make it a better game for me. golf might have more strategy then both of them if you wanted to get crazy enough to argue it.

[Snoogans]

You didn't play anything even remotely close to pro baseball. You're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay oversimplifying MLB-level ball.

Football is basically the same from high school on up; everyone just gets bigger and faster and stronger. That's actually part of what is great about it.

Not even close. If you were a 17 year old kid you would feel retarded tryin to understand an NFL play book and reeds and routes. It all moves up the same way. AS different as the planning and everything is from HS baseball to MLB is as different in basketball, in hockey. Now you are the one over simplifying things. In HS Football, we had like 30 plays on offense, 30 on defense. They get called dive and slant and all this basic shit. Its not even close to the same thing and the schemes arent even close. In fact a ton of what you can do in HS and college football you cant even do in pro football, hence why you never see options and shit. Everything changes

[dino_electropolis]

how so? once you fill out the lineup, assuming your starter doesnt get lit up, you dont really do much as a manager for half the game. You arent taking anyone out, and there are pretty preset senarios for things like when to bunt and hit and run. You dont have to draw up your entire gameplan like you do in football calling plays. You choose from 4 pitches every time you throw one, not 200 plays with motion and formation variations. I played safety for football, and I pitched in baseball. There was way more planning, thinking and adjusting in a half of football then there was in probably every baseball game I played.

So wrong

[TheGameHHH]

You dont need to be a top level pro to play football. You can play with friends. One arm? ok. Two legs? Perfect. All you have to do is be able to hold onto a football that is handed to you and run forward.

Great strategy, as running backwards may prove detrimental.

Baseball, on the other hand, is not somethin anyone can play....to hit a ball, with power, precision and direction to land "where they ain't"- alot more demanding.

youre really generalizing your opinions on football and over-stating the difficulty level of baseball. both games are tough to play, period.

[Snoogans]

you could argue pitch and location are seperate choices, so of your four total pitches and nine total pitch locations (possibly more) you can say you choose from at least 36 options every pitch.

i think im siding with you that football has more strategy but that dosnt make it a better game for me. golf might have more strategy then both of them if you wanted to get crazy enough to argue it.

i agree and made this point MULTIPLE TIMES in the arguement. I wasnt arguing for football being a better sport, just the point that baseball has more strategy. I never even said baseball doesnt have any. I know it does, all sports have alot. But nothing as crazy as football cause in football you make the game.

[Snoogans]

So wrong

ok explain to me what a manager does in the first 5 innings of an AL game when his pitcher is cruising. aside from occasionally telling fielders to move a little

[TheMojoPin]

Not even close. If you were a 17 year old kid you would feel retarded tryin to understand an NFL play book and reeds and routes. It all moves up the same way. AS different as the planning and everything is from HS baseball to MLB is as different in basketball, in hockey. Now you are the one over simplifying things. In HS Football, we had like 30 plays on offense, 30 on defense. They get called dive and slant and all this basic shit. Its not even close to the same thing and the schemes arent even close. In fact a ton of what you can do in HS and college football you cant even do in pro football, hence why you never see options and shit. Everything changes

But the basic models are still the same. I just think the leap from everything through the minors in baseball compared to the MLB is so massive, there really is no comparison of personal experience unless you've been in the big show. It's so drastically different.

[dino_electropolis]

65-75 per team avg.

But in your 200 pitches you choose from 4 at most each time.

In the roughly 130-150 plays a game in football, you choose from sometimes over 200 choices each time. Think about it, seriously

Wow....so wrong.

count how many plays (actual plays - no flag/penalty bullshit) this w/e in one game and get back to me.


Oh, and there is no Kickin in baseball, which makes Baseball the Official Sport of the US (as real americans kick only one thing, and that is ass.)

[dino_electropolis]

ok explain to me what a manager does in the first 5 innings of an AL game when his pitcher is cruising. aside from occasionally telling fielders to move a little

I dont consider AL Baseball real baseball.:thumbup:

[TheGameHHH]

But the basic models are still the same. I just think the leap from everything through the minors in baseball compared to the MLB is so massive, there really is no comparison of personal experience unless you've been in the big show. It's so drastically different.

i gotta agree, think of it this way. theres a minor leagues for baseball, majority of the guys need to take gradual steps before they can go pro. in football you can just leap from college to pro.

[Snoogans]

i only brought up mine mojo, cause the person making the point brought up his and then acted like people who like football are all losers.

In baseball, yea you might hit and run. But the times to do it are preset. Its up to you deciding to do it. Decided to sac bunt, deciding to do all the strategic things. In football, you dont just decide, you can make them. The freedom over the people on field makes football more strategic. You cant plan for as much in baseball. Yea you can put all 3 OFs in left field, but then the ball gets hit to right, you are fucked. If you put all 4 WRs there, you decide how they end up being used in that play. The whole thing is so much more planned and deeper. you guys are really missing that part.

The strategy in baseball comes off things that happen. The strategy in football is created by the people making it happen, there fore giving you way more options and choices. Its just how the games set up

[Snoogans]

Wow....so wrong.

count how many plays (actual plays - no flag/penalty bullshit) this w/e in one game and get back to me.


Oh, and there is no Kickin in baseball, which makes Baseball the Official Sport of the US (as real americans kick only one thing, and that is ass.)

most games the main back on a football team is over 20 carries, other backs get 10-15, and there is 30-40 passes. How bout you actually look up some shit before you fuckin run your mouth on things where you are going to be proven wrong.

[dino_electropolis]

youre really generalizing your opinions on football and over-stating the difficulty level of baseball. both games are tough to play, period.

Any sport on a professional level is tough to play...that is in no way in dispute.

Just playin with friends, Baseball is much harder than walking with a football.....this is not even a discussion.

[Snoogans]

Any sport on a professional level is tough to play...that is in no way in dispute.

Just playin with friends, Baseball is much harder than walking with a football.....this is not even a discussion.

is it. You seem to forget ALL THE SHIT THAT WENT INTO GETTING YOU THE SPACE IN A PRO FOOTBALL GAME TO RUN WITH THAT BALL.

[Snoogans]

if you want another clue as to which one takes more planning and strategy, take a look at how much more work a football coach does during a week preparing for a game. You guys play a game every day. YOU PLAN FOR A WEEK FOR 1 GAME. Coaches are there in most cases 16 hours a day in football watching tape and doing planning and making up plays and all that. you dont make up plays in baseball, you just use the ones that are in place when you think its right. You cant change up the way a baseball game is played.

Thats how the game is. You basically make up the game and then adjust in football. In baseball you play the game and adjust and react, but you dont really make it, not nearly to the point you do in football

[dino_electropolis]

most games the main back on a football team is over 20 carries, other backs get 10-15, and there is 30-40 passes. How bout you actually look up some shit before you fuckin run your mouth on things where you are going to be proven wrong.

Snoogans....why so cunty, why so gay?

I get it. You love football. You not gay. Relax.

Put on BET...Any Given Sunday....beauiful to see Pacino droppin strategy on Jaimie Fox.

Oh, the strategery!

(pep speeches about how the game, like life, is one of inches are poetic, but dont make the sport better than baseball)

[Snoogans]

Any sport on a professional level is tough to play...that is in no way in dispute.

Just playin with friends, Baseball is much harder than walking with a football.....this is not even a discussion.

and talk about over simplifying. Im at least bringing up the strategic parts of baseball and tryin to debate. You are completely ignoring even the parts you know to be true just to try to make your point, not even accepting ANYTHING you dont already agree with. Therefore, I am done with this cause its no longer a debate. Its bullshit.

[Snoogans]

Snoogans....why so cunty, why so gay?

I get it. You love football. You not gay. Relax.

Put on BET...Any Given Sunday....beauiful to see Pacino droppin strategy on Jaimie Fox.

Oh, the strategery!

(pep speeches about how the game, like life, is one of inches are poetic, but dont make the sport better than baseball)

thats right, thats why you dont get it. Football is not my favorite sport. Basketball is. In terms of pure sports, I like baseball more. If you asked me which Id rather play, its baseball. I tried to make this point to you a few times but like I said, you dont accept or seemingly even read half of what the people say to you. You cannot be reached, so Im done stretching. Enjoy the playoffs

[dino_electropolis]

thats right, thats why you dont get it. Football is not my favorite sport. Basketball is. In terms of pure sports, I like baseball more. If you asked me which Id rather play, its baseball. I tried to make this point to you a few times but like I said, you dont accept or seemingly even read half of what the people say to you. You cannot be reached, so Im done stretching. Enjoy the playoffs

Flag on the play.

Roughing the Poster : 15 yard penalty.

Oh, wait, there's a Coaches Challenge.

(2 minutes later)

Call stands.

TV timeout.

We'll be back in 4 minutes.

Wow, action packed.


And btw- BASKETBALL may be the simplest form of entertainment, other than goading football fans into arguments about baseball.

[Fez4PrezN2008]

Mama I like the foosball
http://thestockmasters.com/images/Waterboy_Mom.gif

[Snoogans]

Flag on the play.

Roughing the Poster : 15 yard penalty.

Oh, wait, there's a Coaches Challenge.

(2 minutes later)

Call stands.

TV timeout.

We'll be back in 4 minutes.

Wow, action packed.


And btw- BASKETBALL may be the simplest form of entertainment, other than goading football fans into arguments about baseball.

yea but its my favorite sport, and along with hockey, the one with the most action.

And without getting into an arguement, there is alot of strategy in basketball, and you fuckin know there is. To the level of baseball and football, fuck no. But there is alot you can plan and do in a basketball game. Hockey too. Soccer, all of them. Dont act like im shitting on baseball. Thats when you pissed me off, that and when you acted like only fuckin meatheads like football.

and you are getting to enjoy the 2 minutes stopages for replays too. They are pretty rare overall in football when you think about it. Not as rare as baseball, but its not a problem in football.

THE MAIN PROBLEM IN FOOTBALL IS THAT THE TEAM SCORES, COMMERCIAL, KICKOFF, COMMERCIAL, then offense. WHAT THE FUCK

Thats the beauty of basketball. Action happens for most of the time. In baseball, the majority of game time, a play is not happening.

And I looked up the stats for you in football. An avg NFL game has 125 plays, and the plays total 14.5 of the 60 minutes on Avg prob pretty close to the rate of baseball, but WAY behind basketball, which is 48 minutes out of 48

[ChrisTheCop]

Wow, this should be in the politics forum, it's so offtrack.

Unfortunately, because of the Snoogans-Dino debate, baseball is losing ground.

Let me remind the voters of the ISSUE at hand here.

If you could only have one of these sports exist, which would it be?
Baseball? or Football?

[dino_electropolis]

yea but its my favorite sport, and along with hockey, the one with the most action.

And without getting into an arguement, there is alot of strategy in basketball, and you fuckin know there is. To the level of baseball and football, fuck no. But there is alot you can plan and do in a basketball game. Hockey too. Soccer, all of them. Dont act like im shitting on baseball. Thats when you pissed me off, that and when you acted like only fuckin meatheads like football.

and you are getting to enjoy the 2 minutes stopages for replays too. They are pretty rare overall in football when you think about it. Not as rare as baseball, but its not a problem in football.

THE MAIN PROBLEM IN FOOTBALL IS THAT THE TEAM SCORES, COMMERCIAL, KICKOFF, COMMERCIAL, then offense. WHAT THE FUCK

Thats the beauty of basketball. Action happens for most of the time. In baseball, the majority of game time, a play is not happening.

And I looked up the stats for you in football. An avg NFL game has 125 plays, and the plays total 14.5 of the 60 minutes on Avg prob pretty close to the rate of baseball, but WAY behind basketball, which is 48 minutes out of 48

Lets just agree that all sports are better than work.

[Snoogans]

Wow, this should be in the politics forum, it's so offtrack.

Unfortunately, because of the Snoogans-Dino debate, baseball is losing ground.

Let me remind the voters of the ISSUE at hand here.

If you could only have one of these sports exist, which would it be?
Baseball? or Football?

id vote football, but not cause I like the sport of football more then baseball. Because I like watching College football so much more then NFL or MLB. And if football was gone, CFB would be gone. I couldnt deal with that

[Snoogans]

Lets just agree that all sports are better than work.

fuck, shaving is better then having to do work. ANd sports are way better then shaving

[K.C.]

again, im not hating on baseball, i love it. I pitched, I know it has strategy, but not as much. That doesnt make it worse. It has way more then basketball, if that helps.

But seriously, each pitch will i throw this this this or that.

Each play will i run, then what of the bunch of formations, then what type of run, where to run, who to run it at, how to move the line to get space. Its ALOT more then people who ever like football realize. And its way more then every other sport

I've played both and a lot of different positions in each.

I don't think any one position in any sport involves more strategy than a starting catcher in baseball. You have to call the game, while appeasing your pitcher...you have to know the strengths and weaknesses of your pitcher and each hitter. You have to layout certain pitches and certain locations maybe two, three, four pitches ahead of time to set up something else later in a count, and you also have to know things about your pitcher, like, 'this is a 3-2 count, to a fastball hitter...we can strike him out with a slider away here...slider's the right call...but I know my pitcher...he doesn't have confidence in his slider right now...he'll over think the pitch and hang it. Slider's the right call, but we're going fastball..."


All the while, you still have to hit and worry about baserunners.

In terms of football, it's complicated when you look at plays as a whole, but when you break it down individually by position, it's not that complex. Even at quarterback, you run through your progressions, keeping a running clock in your head.


Football as a whole has more strategy in each play, because in baseball, eight guys are standing around for most of the time.

But, in terms the strategy and complexity of the game, nothing is more strategic than the pitcher/catcher relationship.

[Liverspot]

Just tossed my vote into the pool, I went baseball. Tough choice, I love football, but baseball is a passion since I have followed two teams, Reds and Mariners, from single a to major league.


Football is better on tv, baseball has to be live, imho:sleep:

[Snoogans]

KC, though I see the point you are making, you really are underestimating the QB position and for the most part, Middle Line backer. Audibles, pre snap reads, progressions, pocket presence, feeling the pressure. And a QB doesnt know individual shit on a play. A QB has to know what every single guy does on every single play. thats the only way you can adjust. Way more goes into it then it even seems, and it seems pretty nuts. And, before the NFL level, have to know the signals for each play since they have no headsets

[K.C.]

if you want another clue as to which one takes more planning and strategy, take a look at how much more work a football coach does during a week preparing for a game. You guys play a game every day. YOU PLAN FOR A WEEK FOR 1 GAME. Coaches are there in most cases 16 hours a day in football watching tape and doing planning and making up plays and all that. you dont make up plays in baseball, you just use the ones that are in place when you think its right. You cant change up the way a baseball game is played.

Thats how the game is. You basically make up the game and then adjust in football. In baseball you play the game and adjust and react, but you dont really make it, not nearly to the point you do in football


Baseball does the same thing, it's just done by advance scouts, and it's done live.

The advance scouts chronicle every strength and weakness, the hot and cold zones of a strike zone for each hitter, they compile situational numbers, and historical numbers, and present what could amount to a book's worth of information to their manager before each series.

[Snoogans]

Baseball does the same thing, it's just done by advance scouts, and it's done live.

The advance scouts chronicle every strength and weakness, the hot and cold zones of a strike zone for each hitter, they compile situational numbers, and historical numbers, and present what could amount to a book's worth of information to their manager before each series.

yea thats not all it does in football. It does that for each player, but also for schemes as a whole

In baseball, you dont have to figure out a team plan or scheme that the other team is running against you. Thats the x factor. That baseball doesnt have the options to do as many different things for the overall gameplan that football does, just based on how the games are

[K.C.]

KC, though I see the point you are making, you really are underestimating the QB position and for the most part, Middle Line backer. Audibles, pre snap reads, progressions, pocket presence, feeling the pressure. And a QB doesnt know individual shit on a play. A QB has to know what every single guy does on every single play. thats the only way you can adjust. Way more goes into it then it even seems, and it seems pretty nuts. And, before the NFL level, have to know the signals for each play since they have no headsets

How much of that is almost natural, instinctual reaction, though?

I'd say in terms of strategy, a QB reads the defense initially pre-snap, and reacts.

After the snap, it's progressions, with everything else being left to instinct.

I know that's a simplification, but at the end of the day, I really wonder how much of quarterbacking is strategy and thinking versus natural instinct.

[Friday]

haha


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[Snoogans]

How much of that is almost natural, instinctual reaction, though?

I'd say in terms of strategy, a QB reads the defense initially pre-snap, and reacts.

After the snap, it's progressions, with everything else being left to instinct.

I know that's a simplification, but at the end of the day, I really wonder how much of quarterbacking is strategy and thinking versus natural instinct.

With audibles, thats all strategy, offense more. Defense reacts more in football cause they are going off what the offense does. Thats why the QB means more then any defensive guy could unless the entire defense can make up for him (see Ravens, Bears). But same with baseball. After the pitcher catcher thing, and occasionally the manager moving you 5 feet toward the line, what part of playing the field isnt reactionary?

[Snoogans]

Sorry. Cut off man, throws shit like that is strategy. But its also kinda off preset notions. You back up this spot when ball goes to this spot. Its more preset then football just cause in football, what you were doing in the first place you decided.

[ChrisTheCop]

It's like Darth Vader said,

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[1234Dracula]

It's like Darth Vader said,

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:lol: I'll do anything Lord Vader commands. but I would've voted baseball anyway.

[PapaBear]

I love the IDEA of baseball, and I never miss a baseball movie, but I really can't stand to watch or follow it. I've always been, and always will be a football fan.

[ChrisTheCop]

I love the IDEA of baseball, and I never miss a baseball movie, but I really can't stand to watch or follow it. I've always been, and always will be a football fan.

:glurps: For the very first time in my RF.net existence.... I must say......

NOT what papabear said. :down:

[PapaBear]

:glurps: For the very first time in my RF.net existence.... I must say......

NOT what papabear said. :down:
I blame my family. No one in my family ever had any interest in the game, therefore, I was never exposed to it. Maybe it's because we moved to the DC area 3 years before the Senators left, and before that, the family lived in Norfolk, VA.

I started to get into baseball a little bit when I was a teen, because we got a college level Minor League team here, and the field is a 10 minute walk from my house. And they're a very good team, too. But alas... No one would ever go with me. Not family, and not friends.

[K.C.]

I blame my family. No one in my family ever had any interest in the game, therefore, I was never exposed to it. Maybe it's because we moved to the DC area 3 years before the Senators left, and before that, the family lived in Norfolk, VA.

I started to get into baseball a little bit when I was a teen, because we got a college level Minor League team here, and the field is a 10 minute walk from my house. And they're a very good team, too. But alas... No one would ever go with me. Not family, and not friends.


The Nats haven't turned you around????

[Snoogans]

The Nats haven't turned you around????

i think actual gnats would have a better chance to get people into baseball

[Sue_Bender]

I kissed a baseball...







and I liked it!

[PapaBear]

i think actual gnats would have a better chance to get people into baseball
I enjoyed the gnats that flew around my face as a nine year old outfielder more than the Nats. So yeah. Snoogans is correct.