Question for Teachers, Parents, whomever or so.

[ahhdurr]

Grade School Nazi's?

In keeping with Godwin's theory of message board posting - I've decided to acquiesce and call someone a Nazi. Much like Missy did the BinaryBimbo ... hoo hoo what a toussle that was. :popcorn:

This time it's the principal of a school in the great Garden State that has decided to create a new job for the kids to be implemented by the teachers wherein:

A new classroom job was ordered by the principal in the school. The table monitor. It's to be given to 2 to 3 students to daily wipe tables in the classroom and sweep underneath. It's to be done after class has been sent to recess (with the understanding that they be allowed to go to recess when finished)

Reason: students are less apt to make a mess and not clean up their own areas since they have to do the cleaning.

Chemicals have been noted, also - something about how "I want to control my class myself" (I may have read into the discussion a little) also - "you know certain kids will destroy the room on days when certain other kids are cleaning the classroom"

Oh, the uprising this has caused among teacher associates of mine - oh shut up about it already :dry: Anyhoo - what do you think as either a parent of grade school children or as a teacher/administrator and or grade school child yourself? What do you think about it as that 47 year old guy that stands out front of school all sweaty and anxious? Or so.

Note: I've thrown a couple of "or so"'s in this post and it gives me great satisfaction... here is why - in a book called something Warrior... by Chuck Pfarrer or something like that (a memoir of a Navy SEAL - really great read if you're into that sort of thing) he recounts a something chief - non-officer type that ends pretty much everything he says with "or so". Fucking hilarious. Sometimes I'll slip into character.

Ok, or so.

[PapaBear]

How the fuck is it going to make it less likely for a kid to make a mess, if it's not his day to clean up? And... What do you mean by "chemicals have been noted"?

[ahhdurr]

How the fuck is it going to make it less likely for a kid to make a mess, if it's not his day to clean up? And... What do you mean by "chemicals have been noted"?

oh - chemicals and kids... as in "what about the children!?" like I didn't drink asbestos and mercury water out of the basement of Our Lady of Peace elementary school for 8 years at a tender age.

Just that there may be some stipulation (legal? OSHA? idk) about kids using chemicals and developing and whatnot. Boys with breasts. The like, or so.

[PapaBear]

I don't see a problem with the chemicals. They can simply put the kids in HAZMAT suits before they turn the nozzle on the Windex.

[hedges]

So the principal is the nazi for appointing a table monitor, right? I don't get it, we ate out lunches in our classrooms in grade school and didn't need to clean up like that.

[Fallon]

Speaking as a school custodian. I love this principle!

[A.J.]

Speaking as a school custodian. I love this principle!

Fallon is the eyes and ears of his institution my friends.

[DarkHippie]

Part of a school's job is to teach responsibility and life skills to the students. This is a great idea.

[grlNIN]

In order to have an opinion of your post I will need you to coherently rewrite it once more.

Or so.

[DarkHippie]

In order to have an opinion of your post I will need you to coherently rewrite it once more.

Or so.

:clap:

[ahhdurr]

In order to have an opinion of your post I will need you to coherently rewrite it once more.

Or so.

:clap:

blow me. (or so. :happy:)

[Jujubees2]

Why stop at the tables? The students should also have to wash and wax the floors once a week and clean the bathrooms daily!

[SatCam]

whiping tables and sweeping underneath? That's a janitor.................... errr custodian's job. Why? because that's normal wear and tear on the classroom. Nothing but dust and dirt should be accumulating under the tables because the kids should know to clean up their papers. The tables should be clean except for dirt/pen/pencil etc. How can you use this punishment to prevent that from happening? I doubt the kids are actually deliberately making a mess of the classroom

[ahhdurr]

whiping tables and sweeping underneath? That's a janitor.................... errr custodian's job. Why? because that's normal wear and tear on the classroom. Nothing but dust and dirt should be accumulating under the tables because the kids should know to clean up their papers. The tables should be clean except for dirt/pen/pencil etc. How can you use this punishment to prevent that from happening? I doubt the kids are actually deliberately making a mess of the classroom

Well that's the thing (and in the interest of being honest - I NIN's gripe was warranted - I was writing kind Ulysses-style last night)...

The thing is, it's not going to be a punishment for the kids - it's kind of an edict from the principal that each teacher put this chore on a kid or couple of kids for the day - and it will be reassigned per week or per few days to other children. The complaints (to clarify :tongue:) are piling up against it from the teachers who think that it's more a power move on the part of the principal than anything. But my associate :wink: who is a teacher - seems to really complain about how "if my kid came home and told me he was cleaning up I'd be pissed" or so. It seems to me to be the custodian's job. I guess from the perspective of a teacher though - it could have impact on how the class runs... and, to refer to today's show, the kids whose turn it is to clean (who are also easy targets) will get real messes to deal with and the whole situation will lend itself to anarchy.

Personally - I wouldn't get bent out of shape about it. It sounds more like work politics bullshit IMO.

Here's the link to the Navy SEAL book btw...
http://www.amazon.com/Warrior-Soul-Memoir-Navy-Seal/dp/0891418636/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220655715&sr=8-1
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I just posted this thread as a favor b/c it gives me points when I start up a conversation like "so, on the board today...". I think the true cosmic purpose of this thread was to put forth the link to a book I like.

[Drunky McBetidont]

when i was a middle school teacher, the dean of discipline made a kid clean all the lunch room trashcans as punishment for throwing food. he gave him a squirt bottle of some kind of beach cleanser. the kid got very sick and the parents freaked out and the dean was fired. i guess that is more extreme than wiping tables and sweeping floors, but if i were still a teacher i would not do this. let the principle come in and assign the student workers, not my problem. i got out of teaching full-time because of administrative assholes like this.

[Stankfoot]

when i was a middle school teacher, the dean of discipline made a kid clean all the lunch room trashcans as punishment for throwing food. he gave him a squirt bottle of some kind of beach cleanser. the kid got very sick and the parents freaked out and the dean was fired. i guess that is more extreme than wiping tables and sweeping floors, but if i were still a teacher i would not do this. let the principle come in and assign the student workers, not my problem. i got out of teaching full-time because of administrative assholes like this.

that beach cleanser is a killer!

[britneypablo]

wiping the tables and sweeping the floor may not be necessary but for a teacher to demand the student pick up all the trash surrounding their table and to straighten things out so that the floors can be easily vacuumed should be a rule everywhere...
kids are growing up without a sense of obligation for themselves...
as a high school teacher, i can tell you even my best students ball up trash and leave it on the floor...
(i have been unballing it and taping it to the wall so people see who is doing this nonsense and it has seemed to slow down)...but this should not be happening...if they were taught how to behave in lower levels it would not be a problem
maybe everyone should be handed a baby wipe or something to wipe their desks off, while that may not prevent the common cold, it will teach a lesson on what is acceptable and what is not....
no one is allowed to do anything to students anymore....but students are allowed to run wild and sue school when teachers try to put the child in their place...

its absurd

in short i say have them clean, but make it a class duty- everyone cleans their surroundings before recess and make sure the chemicals involved are harmless if any are even used at all