2008 College Football Discussion Thread

[Tenbatsuzen]

25th Ranked Pitt gets upset by Bowling Green.


DEEEEEE-LIGHTFUL.

[TheGameHHH]

Go WVU, Go Irish (even though they dont play till next week)

[Tenbatsuzen]

Go WVU, Go Irish (even though they dont play till next week)

I'm flipping between Nova/WVU and Utah/Michigan.

With the Yankees loss, I need something to make me feel good today.

[ChimneyFish]

Didn't think they would put the Michigan game on over USC.

I almost wish they went with the other game, now.:down:

This is just hard to watch.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Didn't think they would put the Michigan game on over USC.

I almost wish they went with the other game, now.:down:

This is just hard to watch.

Michigan/Utah is on ESPN2

[TheGameHHH]

I'm flipping between Nova/WVU and Utah/Michigan.

With the Yankees loss, I need something to make me feel good today.

they arent showing WVU down here so im kinda pissed, my sister is 10th row 40 yard line and im jealous.

[ChimneyFish]

Michigan/Utah is on ESPN2

Yeah, I put it on when I saw your post.

I checked yesterday, and it said it was either that game or the USC game.
I figured they would go with USC.

[Tenbatsuzen]

they arent showing WVU down here so im kinda pissed, my sister is 10th row 40 yard line and im jealous.

That's right, I forgot your sister is going there.

She's a good egg.

Make sure to keep an eye on TheDirty.com for anything that may... come up.

[TheGameHHH]

That's right, I forgot your sister is going there.

She's a good egg.

Make sure to keep an eye on TheDirty.com for anything that may... come up.

her facebook page could serve as a perfect alternative, those college kids are fucking scandelous.

[led37zep]

3.5 hours till Duck football!!!!!!!!!!

:clap::clap::clap:

[sailor]

i like this jock sanders kid so far.

[Snoogans]

Good stuff so far. Thursday had a couple decent games, and FUCK YEA ECU. Fuck Va Tech, that was a great game too. Good start to the college year so far

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://www.buckeyecommentary.com/files/michiganfanscrying.jpg

ahhhhhh.

[Tenbatsuzen]

her facebook page could serve as a perfect alternative, those college kids are fucking scandelous.

This post is useless without links.

[El Mudo]

Delaware becomes just...another...victim....


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For all you longtime Giant fans, Dave Megget's son Davin looked AWESOME today...

And hurrah for Alabama opening up a can of whup ass on Clemson...muahahahahaha

I'm also very happy Virginia Tech stinks this year....im desperately awaiting that thursday night game we have in Blacksburg to pummel them and get sweet revenge for the Joel Statham Memorial Game


Preseason rankings are a joke

[led37zep]

Oregon came out extremely strong to start this game off, but I'm a little worried by the phrase "Our QB is a little shaken up" :down:

Either way.


GO DUCKS!!!!!!

[led37zep]

I think the Ducks played extremely well today. Our D looked really strong and its good to see depth at QB.

I'm feeling really good about the rest of the season.


GO DUCKS!!!!!!!!!

[joeyballsack]

USC looked great yesterday.Ohio State is going to have their hands full next weekend, and if Wells is out I think they get destroyed.

[cougarjake13]

Delaware becomes just...another...victim....


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For all you longtime Giant fans, Dave Megget's son Davin looked AWESOME today...

And hurrah for Alabama opening up a can of whup ass on Clemson...muahahahahaha

I'm also very happy Virginia Tech stinks this year....im desperately awaiting that thursday night game we have in Blacksburg to pummel them and get sweet revenge for the Joel Statham Memorial Game


Preseason rankings are a joke



which school is he going to ?? position ??

[cougarjake13]

USC looked great yesterday.Ohio State is going to have their hands full next weekend, and if Wells is out I think they get destroyed.

i for one am glad


im tired of seeing them getting killed by the sec in championship games

[El Mudo]

which school is he going to ?? position ??



Davin Meggett, RB, University of Maryland...scored the second TD yesterday after Darrius Heyward-Bey Heyward-Bey Heyward-Bey (aka the best wideout in the ACC) scored the first one

[ozzie]

The Cocks looked like ass, but still destroyed NC State. LSU had a last minute change and early wake up call, but showed still Michigan how you are supposed to handle a 1-AA team. Florida kept shooting themselves in the foot early, and still destroyed Hawaii. Bama is young and thin at a lot of positions, and punched the "top" ACC team in the throat. Throw in Kentucky's beat down of Louisville, and so far it's not looking good for the rest of the country. Tennessee has a bit of a challenge tomorrow. That game should tell us where Phat Phil Phulmer has his team this year. Most of the rest cruised through easy first week wins (except friggin Croom and Miss State). I was at the AU vs ULM game, and it was pretty uneventful for the most part. A ho-hum 34 - 0 win, but probably a good way to ease into this season.

I don't know how likely it will be that the SEC champ ends up undefeated in conference play, or #1 or #2 at the end of the season, but if they are not represented in the title game, then it will be meaningless. And, no, I don't think Georgia will survive this schedule undefeated. at LSU, Florida (at Jacksonville), at Kentucky, and at Auburn? 4 consec away from the hedges. Three of those currently top-10 teams. I don't think any school in the country could run through that stretch unscathed.

[TheGameHHH]

wow Rutgers, way to look like dogshit. do they still teach defense there?

[Dash77]

wow Rutgers, way to look like dogshit. do they still teach defense there?

I agree, they have these 2 little RB and the defense, couldn't stop anything in the second half... wheres the screen passes to the FB or how about recruiting a damn kicker that was a shit game.. :furious:

[cougarjake13]

tenn-ucla was a great game last night

[El Mudo]

I hate Tennessee

They should be cast out of the SEC on principle

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Schiano should have cashed in earlier

Rutgers is set to become the Big East bitch again

[JimBeam]

The last 8 minutes or so of that Tenn/UCLA game was pretty crazy.

I still can't believe that kid missed a chip shot FG in OT after hitting a much more clutch 47 yarder in regulation.

Also why are we supposed to be so excited about Neuhesisel's ( sp ???) return ?

This is a guy who left scandal behind at both of his previous 2 jobs.

I'm not gonna act like he's some kinda guy who worked hard and needed a new start.

Screw him !!

[El Mudo]

The last 8 minutes or so of that Tenn/UCLA game was pretty crazy.

I still can't believe that kid missed a chip shot FG in OT after hitting a much more clutch 47 yarder in regulation.

Also why are we supposed to be so excited about Neuhesisel's ( sp ???) return ?

This is a guy who left scandal behind at both of his previous 2 jobs.

I'm not gonna act like he's some kinda guy who worked hard and needed a new start.

Screw him !!

Well.....not that I wanna defend Neuheisel in anyway, but he kinda got jobbed at U Dub...i mean, for the love of mary the man was fired for betting in a NCAA Tournament pool...bleh....was guilty as sin at Colorado, but that place shoulda been given the Death Penalty YEARS ago.

Colorado's football program may be the most corrupt body on the face of this planet, and that includes Congress

[SP1!]

wow Rutgers, way to look like dogshit. do they still teach defense there?

Im still wondering how long till their coach regrets not taking the miami job, he made a huge mistake in not taking that job, he has a much larger talent pool to choose from down there.

Its still going to be either USC, OSU, UGA in the BCS game

[JimBeam]

El Mudo I do remember him getting fired for the betting thing being kinda lame but that's not why the program went on probation huh ?

He obvioulsy was doing something else wrong.

And back to Tenn sucking.

Has Fulmer ever won a big game outside of the one championship game ?

His teams just always look so unprepared. Not to play the game but to deal with adversity once the game starts.

They always seem fine if they have a lead but once the game starts going the other way they seem to always blow it.

[El Mudo]

El Mudo I do remember him getting fired for the betting thing being kinda lame but that's not why the program went on probation huh ?

He obvioulsy was doing something else wrong.

And back to Tenn sucking.

Has Fulmer ever won a big game outside of the one championship game ?

His teams just always look so unprepared. Not to play the game but to deal with adversity once the game starts.

They always seem fine if they have a lead but once the game starts going the other way they seem to always blow it.


U Dub was on probation for infractions in the basketball program. It was extended after the Neuheisel era because they had "failed to monitor" the football program. Again, not defending Neuheisel in the least, he certainly seems like a "player friendly" coach that doesn't really recruit good kids

During that year, UW safety Curtis Williams was allowed to play despite being issued an outstanding arrest warrant for assaulting his wife, Michelle.[9] Linebacker Jeremiah Pharms was under investigation for robbing and shooting a drug dealer after police found his fingerprints at the scene, but was not charged until the season was over.[9] Jerramy Stevens, the Huskies star tight end, was under investigation of raping a UW freshman on sorority row.[9] When Stevens later crashed his truck into a retirement home, Neuheisel suspended him for half a game.[9]

I'm very glad he never came to Maryland

[JimBeam]

This guy's probably just misunderstood :

Jerramy Stevens, the Huskies star tight end, was under investigation of raping a UW freshman on sorority row.[9] When Stevens later crashed his truck into a retirement home, Neuheisel suspended him for half a game.[9]

[cougarjake13]

This guy's probably just misunderstood :

what is it with TE;s named jerramy stevens raping women ??

[SP1!]

So what are the good games this weekend? UGA has a cakewalk in coastal carolina so what other games are there?

I know miami vs florida is tonight, but any decent games/rivalries on during the day?

Oh btw, this game tonight should show if the ACC is going to field decent teams this year since miami was picked 2nd or 3rd in most standings, if they get blown out it makes USC's blowout of on the shittiest teams in the ACC look even more unimpressive.

[cougarjake13]

So what are the good games this weekend? UGA has a cakewalk in coastal carolina so what other games are there?

I know miami vs florida is tonight, but any decent games/rivalries on during the day?

Oh btw, this game tonight should show if the ACC is going to field decent teams this year since miami was picked 2nd or 3rd in most standings, if they get blown out it makes USC's blowout of on the shittiest teams in the ACC look even more unimpressive.



prob has no national appeal but there is USF vs UCF

[SP1!]

Geez OSU what happened? Lets hope they wont get too embarrassed at USC next week.

[TheGameHHH]

Go Irish

[El Mudo]

So what are the good games this weekend? UGA has a cakewalk in coastal carolina so what other games are there?

I know miami vs florida is tonight, but any decent games/rivalries on during the day?

Oh btw, this game tonight should show if the ACC is going to field decent teams this year since miami was picked 2nd or 3rd in most standings, if they get blown out it makes USC's blowout of on the shittiest teams in the ACC look even more unimpressive.



There aren't any good games this week...theyre all terrible, even the Miami/Florida game, cause Miami is also extremely young and will get waxed

We have Middle Tennesse in Murfreesboro tonight, with Cal coming in to the Byrd next week

[TheGameHHH]

No really, Charlie Weis is a good coach and he deserves to stay at Notre Dame. After all, looking like dogshit up against the powerhouse that is San Deigo State, i have to give him a pass.

WHAT THE FUCK?? This guy has had YEARS to build something there and he continues to fail.

[Tenbatsuzen]

No really, Charlie Weis is a good coach and he deserves to stay at Notre Dame. After all, looking like dogshit up against the powerhouse that is San Deigo State, i have to give him a pass.

WHAT THE FUCK?? This guy has had YEARS to build something there and he continues to fail.

Giving him that contract when he was winning with Tyrone's recruits is now coming to bite them on their ass AND I LOVE IT.

All indications state he's a bigger douche than Belichick off the field.

[TheGameHHH]

Giving him that contract when he was winning with Tyrone's recruits is now coming to bite them on their ass AND I LOVE IT.

All indications state he's a bigger douche than Belichick off the field.

I had this argument with JimBeam last season and all he retorted with was once "his guys" become seniors then the team will be good. I dont understand why you need to be a senior to be good in college football but that was the essence of it. I'm tired of this over-paid hack. Go back to being an offensive coordinator.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The refs are making some EXTREMELY questionable calls in this WVU game.

1) Phantom pass interference

2) Ridiculously bad spot on a 4 and 1 when the ECU QB was stopped, giving them the first down.

[Fallon]

God BC's quarterback sucks!

Die Chris Crane!!

:furious:

[TheGameHHH]

The refs are making some EXTREMELY questionable calls in this WVU game.

1) Phantom pass interference

2) Ridiculously bad spot on a 4 and 1 when the ECU QB was stopped, giving them the first down.

there have been some bad calls but those aside, WVU is getting WORKED today

[Tenbatsuzen]

there have been some bad calls but those aside, WVU is getting WORKED today

They have, on both sides of the ball. This is bad. WVU can't tackle, and the offense is not crisp at all. WTF?

[TheGameHHH]

They have, on both sides of the ball. This is bad. WVU can't tackle, and the offense is not crisp at all. WTF?

this is what im supposed to root for now? i already back one below average college football team im not sure i have enough room on my plate for another.

[led37zep]

Oregon game was blacked out so I couldn't watch but we handled Utah St just like we were supposed to 66-24.

[SP1!]

No really, Charlie Weis is a good coach and he deserves to stay at Notre Dame. After all, looking like dogshit up against the powerhouse that is San Deigo State, i have to give him a pass.

WHAT THE FUCK?? This guy has had YEARS to build something there and he continues to fail.

Not sticking up for weis at all but SDSU has had some good teams recently and most teams out west wont put them on their schedule because they could lose.

Geez even with bad calls, WVU looked like shit and wake forest, who is supposed to be one of the top 2 teams in the ACC, had to use a FG to beat a horrible ole miss team?

[Tenbatsuzen]

this is what im supposed to root for now? i already back one below average college football team im not sure i have enough room on my plate for another.

West Virginia has a habit of choking against lesser teams, see Pitt last year.

I wouldn't be overly concerned just yet. it sucked that it happened, maybe they get it out of their system and run the table.

[J.Clints]

Geez OSU what happened? Lets hope they wont get too embarrassed at USC next week.

Well I am hoping my Buckeyes spent to much time thinking about USC and not enough on this weeks game.

[cougarjake13]

Well I am hoping my Buckeyes spent to much time thinking about USC and not enough on this weeks game.



not likely and no miracles from the bcs gods will get them into this years championship

[J.Clints]

not likely and no miracles from the bcs gods will get them into this years championship

http://cognitivedistortion.com/img/FG85/Photos/151_buda.jpg

[ozzie]

Not sticking up for weis at all but SDSU has had some good teams recently and most teams out west wont put them on their schedule because they could lose.

???

In 2006 SDSU was 3 - 9, and last year they were 4 - 8. They lost their opener this year at home to Cal-Poly. I don't think they've had a winning season since Mashall Faulk was there. PAC 10 teams schedule SDSU every year.

Sorry Notre Dame fans, but this wasn't a very good team you just beat.

[cougarjake13]

???

In 2006 SDSU was 3 - 9, and last year they were 4 - 8. They lost their opener this year at home to Cal-Poly. I don't think they've had a winning season since Mashall Faulk was there. PAC 10 teams schedule SDSU every year.

Sorry Notre Dame fans, but this wasn't a very good team you just beat.



true but losing to them wouldnt have been good either

[ozzie]

So what are the good games this weekend? UGA has a cakewalk in coastal carolina so what other games are there?

I know miami vs florida is tonight, but any decent games/rivalries on during the day?

Oh btw, this game tonight should show if the ACC is going to field decent teams this year since miami was picked 2nd or 3rd in most standings, if they get blown out it makes USC's blowout of on the shittiest teams in the ACC look even more unimpressive.

Georgia played Central Michigan, not Coastal Carolina.

So far, the USF @ UCF game has been interesting. I've been finding myself watching it more than the Gaytors and Canes.

[ozzie]

true but losing to them wouldnt have been good either

Ok, so Notre Dame is as good as Cal-Poly. They both beat the Aztecs. Better?

Sorry, just giving the domers a hard time. I know that team needed to open with a win. Any win. It's just baffling how low that program has fallen.

I remember when the Michigan vs. Notre Dame game actually had National Championship implications, or at least national interest. With the money NBC has shelled out to be the "NotreDame Broadcasting Channel", I'm sure they'll try to hype up this game, but the way both these teams are playing, this game is almost meaningless.

And I'm sure CBS picked the UGA @ USC game before the Gamecocks shit the bed against the Commodores. This should have been a battle of two ranked SEC teams.

Here's the rest of next Saturday afternoon's lineup before the OSU @ USC primetime game:

Arkansas at Texas 2:30 p.m. ABC / ESPN-GP
Georgia Tech at Virginia Tech 2:30 p.m. (ABC / ESPN)
Georgia at South Carolina 2:30 p.m. CBS (HD)
Michigan at Notre Dame 2:30 p.m. NBC (HD)
Oregon at Purdue 2:30 p.m. (ESPN / ABC)
Penn State at Syracuse 2:30 p.m. ABC / ESPN-GP
UCLA at BYU 2:30 p.m. Versus

I'm hoping that Tiller and the Boilermakers can at least give the Ducks a decent game.

And if BYU can get by UCLA, they have a chance to run the table and make a BCS game.

[cougarjake13]

Ok, so Notre Dame is as good as Cal-Poly. They both beat the Aztecs. Better?

Sorry, just giving the domers a hard time. I know that team needed to open with a win. Any win. It's just baffling how low that program has fallen.

I remember when the Michigan vs. Notre Dame game actually had National Championship implications, or at least national interest. With the money NBC has shelled out to be the "NotreDame Broadcasting Channel", I'm sure they'll try to hype up this game, but the way both these teams are playing, this game is almost meaningless.

And I'm sure CBS picked the UGA @ USC game before the Gamecocks shit the bed against the Commodores. This should have been a battle of two ranked SEC teams.

Here's the rest of next Saturday afternoon's lineup before the OSU @ USC primetime game:

Arkansas at Texas 2:30 p.m. ABC / ESPN-GP
Georgia Tech at Virginia Tech 2:30 p.m. (ABC / ESPN)
Georgia at South Carolina 2:30 p.m. CBS (HD)
Michigan at Notre Dame 2:30 p.m. NBC (HD)
Oregon at Purdue 2:30 p.m. (ESPN / ABC)
Penn State at Syracuse 2:30 p.m. ABC / ESPN-GP
UCLA at BYU 2:30 p.m. Versus

I'm hoping that Tiller and the Boilermakers can at least give the Ducks a decent game.

And if BYU can get by UCLA, they have a chance to run the table and make a BCS game.



hey im not a ND fan or even an apologist just saying that the win wasnt a great one but a loss wasnt good either

[Freakshow]

not likely and no miracles from the bcs gods will get them into this years championship

I think they'll give USC a good game next week, probably won't win. But a 1-loss team makes the title game almost every year. If Wells A doesn't come back soon, though, it's over.

I hate when Michigan looks shitty early. Cause my Nits always lose to them anyway. I do think the WV connection will make this the year. And I think PSU may have one of the best O-lines in the last couple of years. PSU-Illinois might be the game for the Rose Bowl...

[epo]

Giving him that contract when he was winning with Tyrone's recruits is now coming to bite them on their ass AND I LOVE IT.

All indications state he's a bigger douche than Belichick off the field.

QFT. The Notre Dame Football Corporation is a damned joke.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww



west virgina pulled their best rutgers impression

[King Hippos Bandaid]

blah............ am drunk

[El Mudo]

As glad as I am that ECU beat the two teams (in a row!!!) in College Football i despise more than anything....







....its subsided somewhat that we just lost to a team that plays in the SUN BELT CONFERENCE



This season sucks....i got nothin....

[cougarjake13]

ecu nat'l champs

[JimBeam]

I'm a huge ND fan and I think this is an embarassing schedule.

Many years ND's schedule get's called into question for no good reason as they are usually playing at least 7 bowl teams ( usually at least 1 of those teams in a BCS game ) from 3 or 4 BCS conferences.

I believe they said yesterday that ND actually played 10 team that went to bowls ( alhough that didn't sound right ) last year.

Playing SDSU and Syracuse this year is pretty lame.

They're still playing USC and a Mich team that could be good.

And once again I will point out that while Weiss has not gotten it done what has Willingham done ?

It really was a shame losing him with all that he's done at Washington.

The spark he's put into that program is really missed at ND.

I don't want any of us spending time this year recapping aruments from last year but do not forget that Willingham was winning with Davie's players.

[SP1!]

Well I am hoping my Buckeyes spent to much time thinking about USC and not enough on this weeks game.
I think they may give them a better game than most people think

???

In 2006 SDSU was 3 - 9, and last year they were 4 - 8. They lost their opener this year at home to Cal-Poly. I don't think they've had a winning season since Mashall Faulk was there. PAC 10 teams schedule SDSU every year.

Sorry Notre Dame fans, but this wasn't a very good team you just beat.
Sorry, they used to be good, I havent paid attention to them in a while but Im not a ND fan at all.

I'm a huge ND fan and I think this is an embarassing schedule
Wow I just looked at their schedule and the only ranked team they play is at the end of the season against USC.

Whats worse is they may only have 4 teams on the whole schedule that even have a chance at being ranked during the season and thats being nice to washington.

[ozzie]

I'm a huge ND fan and I think this is an embarassing schedule.

Many years ND's schedule get's called into question for no good reason as they are usually playing at least 7 bowl teams ( usually at least 1 of those teams in a BCS game ) from 3 or 4 BCS conferences.

I believe they said yesterday that ND actually played 10 team that went to bowls ( alhough that didn't sound right ) last year.

Playing SDSU and Syracuse this year is pretty lame.

They're still playing USC and a Mich team that could be good.

And once again I will point out that while Weiss has not gotten it done what has Willingham done ?

It really was a shame losing him with all that he's done at Washington.

The spark he's put into that program is really missed at ND.

I don't want any of us spending time this year recapping aruments from last year but do not forget that Willingham was winning with Davie's players.

I wasn't picking on Notre Dame's schedule. Hell, just about every SEC team has a 1-AA team somewhere on their schedule, and it's embarrassing. Worse, season ticket holders are forced to buy this piece of dogshit along with the others.

And yes Cougar, I agree that the only thing worse than having to come from behind late to beat a cupcake is losing to one. Just ask Alabama last year (loss to Louisiana-Monroe at home) or, of course, Michigan. At least SDSU and ULM are 1-A teams, even if it is the Sun Belt conference.

Ooh... ouch Mudo. Err... Umm... yeah.

For what it's worth, Arkansas had to rally late to beat ULM last night.

And yeah, I get real tired of the argument about coaches "Winning with (insert previous coach here)'s players!"

I didn't think that Les Miles was ever going to get any credit. It was all about fucking Saban down there. He retained his Legend status even after leaving for the Dolphins. It wasn't until he went to rival SEC West Alabama that the love affair finally ended.

Ron Zook didn't leave much of a mark on the Gaytors, but he did leave the cupboard pretty well stocked, and Urban Meyer has had to pull huge recruiting classes to avoid the stigma that it was Zook's team. Of course both Miles and Meyer have a mythical BCS championship trophy in their case, so the discussion ended there.

I guess it all depends on how the fans feel (or felt) about the previous coach, and his reason for leaving. If you get shit on like West Virginia did last year, then I doubt Bill Stewart is going to hear much about Rodriguez. Well, not until they lose a few. Oh, wait... n/m.

I'm jussayn... Saban is reaching LEGEND status already at Alabama, and his record is barely over .500. But, the Bama fans were so "embarrassed" by the Shula years and losses to Mississippi State, and of course 5 in a row to Auburn (6 now, 1 over Saban), that anything the team does right now, Saban gets the credit, and anything that goes wrong is blamed on poor recruiting by Shula, or fewer scholarships during probation years. It's the EXACT Opposite! This guy can do no wrong in their eyes right now.

Hell, they scored one offensive touchdown against TULANE yesterday in a weak, 20 - 6 win, where Tulane had almost twice as many yards. CBSSports.com top 120 (http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/polls/120/index2)has Tulane ranked #106 (SDSU is #116). If Shula had "disgraced" UAT with a performance like this, he'd be murdered in the papers and the talk shows. Saban gets named "The Most Powerful Coach is Sports" by Forbes Magazine. Not in College football. In SPORTS!

I've never once heard anything about Saban winning with Shula's players. If anything, he's winning in SPITE OF what Shula left.

Shula came in to a no win situation, and cleaned up the program. Sure, there weren't many big wins or division championships, but the program was a helluva lot better off when he left than when he got there.

Weis had the benefit of bringing in a new system with some pretty good athletes. A lot of coaches have early success (See Bill Stewart and WVU's bowl performance last year). It's hard to judge success in the first year or two. Hell, Terry Bowden came in in 1993 and took a .500 team and won his first 20 games in a row. Two years later, his recruiting was being questioned, as was his style of play. He didn't play "SEC Football", Auburn suddenly couldn't run the ball, and it was the beginning of the end. He didn't even finish the 1998 season.

Anyway, yeah, I don't think a lot of people were happy with the way Willingham was released, and those that wanted him to stay are going to give the credit for Weis's early success to "Ty's recruits", and blame last year on the new regime. Some schools and boosters will have more patience and give a new head coach time to get "his" players in to fit his system, but most won't endure four or five losing seasons. (See Ron Zook's firing from Florida, and none of his were "losing seasons")

I'll be curious to see how much slack they give Weis before they start demanding drastic improvement.

I hate to admit it, but College Football is better when Notre Dame is good. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to lose to them, but overall, it's better for the game. They bring in more National attention. Plus it makes Fez happy when they are doing well, which is a plus for all R&F fans.

[JimBeam]

Two links showing the teams over the last 10 years who have played soft non-conference schedues and those who have not :

Soft
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=frightful/080905

Not Soft
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=formidable/080905

[El Mudo]

And the thing is, it wasn't even a CLOSE loss to MTSU...we were dominated...it wasn't even close


This is the most deflating loss for this program in the last 10 years...the loss to Northern Illinois a few years ago was bad (it was Northern Illinois, but they DID have Michael Turner, and we were jobbed), but this one was even worse because we weren't even competitive. The defense was never able to counter the Spread that MTSU used, and ran outta gas from being out on the field so much, and the offence was DREADFUL. I cannot put into words how incredibly frustrating it was watching them attempt to play offence yesterday. Turner looked like mud, and I hope all those people screaming in game 1 for Turner to come in for Steffy are happy now (not that Steffy did much better against Delaware). Josh Portis is really good, and can make things happen with his feet, and I dont know why they aren't playing him more, but again, I can only figure that he doesn't know much of the offence yet.

The coaches were bad too. There was no creativity in the playcalling, when it was clear they could run wide with Scott, they chose to keep pounding it up the middle for 2 and 3 yards at a time when it was clear it was being sat on. They did not get the ball to Darrius Heyward-Bey Heyward-Bey Heyward-Bey enough (put the ball in the hands of your athletes gentlemen...thats why theyre there), there was no option game whatsoever, and it was CLEAR by the end of the first half that Turner just did not have it, yet they refused to switch over to Portis, who was making things happen. Just a dreadful, dreadful performance all around


....And here comes Cal next week.....:glurps::glurps::blink::blink::down:

[El Mudo]

For my part, I was so angry/pissed off/depressed I broke a door and left and drove around the State of Maryland for about 2 hours

[SP1!]

Two links showing the teams over the last 10 years who have played soft non-conference schedues and those who have not :

Soft
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=frightful/080905

Not Soft
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=formidable/080905

Yeah I saw those earlier, they really dont mean shit.

The only stat they should have put up was 11-4, thats the SECs record in BCS games, supposedly the best teams in the nation, that is also the best winning percentage of any conference that has played in more than one BCS game.

For all the hate on the SEC they have its amazing they never mention all the bowl games they win at the end of the year.

[JimBeam]

The fact that schools like USC and Tenn never schedule IAA/FCS teams is very important.

For Tenn specifically it casts away the notion that the SEC is so tough that you can't play quaility opponents out of conference.

Sure maybe it's cost Tenn but at least they won't ever get penalized for it.

LSU had to share their 1st title because of this and Auburn was the odd man out for the same reason.

Had either of those schools had a better non-conference schedule it might've helped them.

As far as the SEC's record in bowl games don't let the Independence Bowl or whatever it's called now throw off the numbers.

The SEC is gonna get 8 teams into bowls when ever eligible because their fans will travel.

It's not necessarily a testament to the strength of a 7-5 Ole Miss that gets invited to the 34th ranked bowl game but more likely that a 9-3 team from the Sun Belt or WAC won't produce enough revenue.

[ozzie]

The fact that schools like USC and Tenn never schedule IAA/FCS teams is very important.

For Tenn specifically it casts away the notion that the SEC is so tough that you can't play quaility opponents out of conference.

Sure maybe it's cost Tenn but at least they won't ever get penalized for it.

LSU had to share their 1st title because of this and Auburn was the odd man out for the same reason.

Had either of those schools had a better non-conference schedule it might've helped them.

As far as the SEC's record in bowl games don't let the Independence Bowl or whatever it's called now throw off the numbers.

The SEC is gonna get 8 teams into bowls when ever eligible because their fans will travel.

It's not necessarily a testament to the strength of a 7-5 Ole Miss that gets invited to the 34th ranked bowl game but more likely that a 9-3 team from the Sun Belt or WAC won't produce enough revenue.

There are now 34 bowl games, so 68 of the 120 Div 1-A teams make bowl games. It's ridiculous. Being in a bowl game is almost meaningless anymore. Not making a bowl game is downright embarrassing.

You had to bring up 2004, huh? Yeah, Auburn got shafted. There was a point before the SEC Championship game that AU was a few percentage points higher than OU, then we played and beat Tennessee again in the championship game, and OU ended up #2 in the BCS. Auburn played The frickin Citadel that year, and it cost them.

It's a tricky situation though. You can't say that losing a non-conference game won't cost you. Unfortunately, with a title shot in the hands of voters, you just never know how they'll look at things. Alabama barely got by Tulane, and the AP voters moved them up. Ohio State struggles against Ohio, and they move down. There's no consistency to how these guys vote. You can get knocked for scheduling a cupcake, but you can also get knocked for a loss against a BCS conference team. (Look how far West Virginia fell. Their chance of getting back in the hunt is pretty low)

The NCAA tries to use the excuse for not having a playoff, that "every week is a playoff" with the current system. This implies that a loss, even to a higher ranked team at their place, is still a loss, and the two teams with the "Best Record" at the end of the year, play for it all.

It's total horseshit. There's not one valid reason besides MONEY not to have a playoff system, and, according to the off season meetings, you can blame the Big 10 and Pac 10 commissioners for not even considering a playoff.

As long as coaches and AD's are stuck with this, really, what is the incentive to schedule tough non-conference games, especially on the road?

This year AU has LSU, Tennessee, Akansas and Georgia at home. Thus, their non-conference schedule is shit because they feel like the season ticket holders get 4 decent games. AU travels to West Virginia on 10/23, but other than that, the non-conf games are weak.

Next year, their conference home schedule is weak (except for the Iron Bowl at the end), so they'll probably try to beef it up to get season ticket sales up.

It's all about the money, and doing as little as they think they have to to get it.

There's no other real incentive to play a tougher schedule, and it sucks for the fans. I get no joy from watching them beat Tennessee-Martin.

Only a playoff system that included automatic bids for conference winners, would ensure that taking a chance of losing to a tough non-conference team would NOT hurt your chances of making the playoffs. Until then, expect this trend to continue.

[JimBeam]

The BCS should require a BCS league team to play at least one non-conference BCS opponent a year.

They really couldn't force the schools to do so but they could make it a part of the equation that decides the participants.

Maybe do it along the lines of SEC and PAC10 one year, then SEC and Big 12 the next year, etc ...

[Aggie]

You won't see me in here much this year. :flush: :help:

Go Aggie basketball!

[ozzie]

The BCS should require a BCS league team to play at least one non-conference BCS opponent a year.

They really couldn't force the schools to do so but they could make it a part of the equation that decides the participants.

Maybe do it along the lines of SEC and PAC10 one year, then SEC and Big 12 the next year, etc ...

The NFL uses a formula based on how they finished the previous year for their non-division games. Week One might be NFC Central #1 @ NFC West #3, etc.

If the NCAA really wants to get involved, they could do something similar, and just set a formula:

Week 1 - Big 10 #2 (Illinois) @ SEC #1 (LSU)
Week 2 - SEC #1 (LSU) @ ACC #3 (Virginia)
Week 3 - Pac 10 #4 (Oregon) @ SEC #1 (LSU)
Week 4 - SEC #1 (LSU) @ Big East #1 (West Virginia)

Then play out the conference schedule.

Problem is, not every conference plays the same number of non-conference games.

This is another reason there is so much parity in the NFL. Division winners play a much tougher non-division schedule, so you get a lot of "worst to first".

I doubt the conference commissioners would ever agree to anything like this, but one can hope.

[cougarjake13]

The NFL uses a formula based on how they finished the previous year for their non-division games. Week One might be NFC Central #1 @ NFC West #3, etc.

If the NCAA really wants to get involved, they could do something similar, and just set a formula:

Week 1 - Big 10 #2 (Illinois) @ SEC #1 (LSU)
Week 2 - SEC #1 (LSU) @ ACC #3 (Virginia)
Week 3 - Pac 10 #4 (Oregon) @ SEC #1 (LSU)
Week 4 - SEC #1 (LSU) @ Big East #1 (West Virginia)

Then play out the conference schedule.

Problem is, not every conference plays the same number of non-conference games.

This is another reason there is so much parity in the NFL. Division winners play a much tougher non-division schedule, so you get a lot of "worst to first".

I doubt the conference commissioners would ever agree to anything like this, but one can hope.




too confusing

[JimBeam]

I just read a pretty crazy stat that may show how bad Notre Dame's offense might be :

The Irish rushed for 105 yards against the Aztecs. Cal Poly ran for 263 yards against San Diego State a week earlier.

I could understand running for only 105 yards if you threw for 400.

[TheGameHHH]

I just read a pretty crazy stat that may show how bad Notre Dame's offense might be :



I could understand running for only 105 yards if you threw for 400.

i actually like the kid they have running back there now, but we'll see how far he can take them. have no fear though, all we need is to give weis another 8 years and 40 million dollars. he'll get guys in there soon enough that can play

[JimBeam]

And maybe get Clausen a haircut.

F*ckin' hippie !!

[TheGameHHH]

And maybe get Clausen a haircut.

F*ckin' hippie !!

he looks like such a douchbag with that hair, it makes me wanna punch him in the face

[JimBeam]

Exactly.

If he was lighting up the scoreboard or something or getting mentioned as a Heisman candidate maybe I'd tolerate it but not right now.

[PhishHead]

It makes him look like he is 40 because he is balding.

I love looking at him next to Dayne where Dayne looks like the prototypical QB, tall, big hands, nice body frame, and Jimmy is kind of scrawny and short compared to him.

At least floyd and tate looked good.

Hopefully Haywood gets off his ass and calls more 3 WR sets with Floyd and Tate starting, Grimes in the slot and Duval coming off bench. Duval is afraid of contact again just like last year.

[El Mudo]

The fact that schools like USC and Tenn never schedule IAA/FCS teams is very important.

For Tenn specifically it casts away the notion that the SEC is so tough that you can't play quaility opponents out of conference.

Sure maybe it's cost Tenn but at least they won't ever get penalized for it.

LSU had to share their 1st title because of this and Auburn was the odd man out for the same reason.

Had either of those schools had a better non-conference schedule it might've helped them.

As far as the SEC's record in bowl games don't let the Independence Bowl or whatever it's called now throw off the numbers.

The SEC is gonna get 8 teams into bowls when ever eligible because their fans will travel.

It's not necessarily a testament to the strength of a 7-5 Ole Miss that gets invited to the 34th ranked bowl game but more likely that a 9-3 team from the Sun Belt or WAC won't produce enough revenue.


They get into 8 bowls anyway because theyre contractually bound as a conference to have 8 bowl teams...I believe there are 7 teams in the ACC contractually bound to bowls, and and 6 PAC-10 teams and so on and so forth

[SP1!]

The fact that schools like USC and Tenn never schedule IAA/FCS teams is very important.

For Tenn specifically it casts away the notion that the SEC is so tough that you can't play quaility opponents out of conference.

Sure maybe it's cost Tenn but at least they won't ever get penalized for it.

LSU had to share their 1st title because of this and Auburn was the odd man out for the same reason.

Had either of those schools had a better non-conference schedule it might've helped them.

As far as the SEC's record in bowl games don't let the Independence Bowl or whatever it's called now throw off the numbers.

The SEC is gonna get 8 teams into bowls when ever eligible because their fans will travel.

It's not necessarily a testament to the strength of a 7-5 Ole Miss that gets invited to the 34th ranked bowl game but more likely that a 9-3 team from the Sun Belt or WAC won't produce enough revenue.

Im sorry that doesnt fly, the reason more teams in tougher conferences play low level teams is because they play harder in conference schedules, can you honestly tell that USC playing stanford, hawaii, byu, or other wac teams isnt the same as playing some of the teams in the I-AA that big 10 or SEC teams play. Hell michigan found out how hard it is to play those teams last year, USC gets off weeks mainly because most of the teams in the pac 10 suck or at best are near ACC level of play.

The record I am referring to is for actual BCS games not low tier bowl games that are the ones given out according to how much revenue the organizers will make, these are the games which feature the strongest members of the BCS teams and of those games the SEC has dominated, that kills any argument about scheduling cupcakes to pad their records. Face it, if it wasnt for the resurgence of USC the pac 10 wouldnt be shit and remember this was a school who had a horrible record in the 80s-90s before pete carroll showed up.

[JimBeam]

If the SEC is so tough then why is Tennessee refusing to schedule 1AA/FBS teams ?

Tenn, which was last year's SEC runner-up, and winner of the East has now lost twice to PAC10 schools in succesive years.

It is the biggest crock in the world that Vandy vs UGA, for example, is a big game just becuse Vandy is in the SEC.

Vandy would be just as bad in the PAC10 or Big 10.

Now the bottom of both conferences are not even, as Vandy would probably beat a Nortwestern but it's ludicrous to believe that Vandy could ever win a conference title anywhere other than a non-BCS school.

Sure the SEC is tough but you can constantly use the " oh we play a tougher regular season than you " argument when you get knocked out of the BCS title game.

It's a crutch and it gets old.

I'm a Notre Dame fan but I went to LSU and mostly pull for the SEC but I don't always buy into the hype.

[SP1!]

If the SEC is so tough then why is Tennessee refusing to schedule 1AA/FBS teams ?

Tenn, which was last year's SEC runner-up, and winner of the East has now lost twice to PAC10 schools in succesive years.

It is the biggest crock in the world that Vandy vs UGA, for example, is a big game just becuse Vandy is in the SEC.

Vandy would be just as bad in the PAC10 or Big 10.

Now the bottom of both conferences are not even, as Vandy would probably beat a Nortwestern but it's ludicrous to believe that Vandy could ever win a conference title anywhere other than a non-BCS school.

Sure the SEC is tough but you can constantly use the " oh we play a tougher regular season than you " argument when you get knocked out of the BCS title game.

It's a crutch and it gets old.

I'm a Notre Dame fan but I went to LSU and mostly pull for the SEC but I don't always buy into the hype.

UT should not have been in that game last year they know it and the rest of the country knows it, UGA or UF were a better team at the end of the year but they got there because they won early with a more experienced team. And give me a break, Vandy is not a big game which is a shock to us when they beat one of the other teams but they would win the MAC, C-usa, and finish in the top 3 in the pac 10, have you looked at the pac 10 lately? There is USC and everyone else, its like when FSU in the early 90s in the ACC. I would love to have a playoff system but the rest of the country would scream because it would be full of SEC teams with a few shit teams like hawaii who dont deserve to be in the game.

Funny but I seem to remember the SEC having won more BCS title games than anyone else until their record changes against BCS teams and in title games it pretty much does make the argument true that the SEC plays tougher in conference than anyone else.

If UGA makes it through to win the SEC championship and moreno is healthy you can add another championship for the SEC, that kid is the best college running back in a long time. I would say since barry at Ok state.

[Snoogans]

oh my god a big east team came out of the second half looking like they may actually want to win a game


Its pretty amazing to me how the Big East went from being so good the past id say 2 years, maybe the best BCS conf after the SEC(as evidenced by the 5-0 and then i believe 3-2 record they put up in bowls 2 years ago and then last year) to now being maybe the worst BCS conference (although the Pac 10 does reallly fall off pretty quick after USC, but just USC makes the Pac 10 better then the Big East right now)

Plus Schiano actually looks like a shitty coach so far this year. I don't know what the fuck is happening with the big east.


Good thing, much like the Hornets, I'm a life long East Carolina fan. WE ARE COMIN ON BITCHES. Pretty soon ECU is gonna replace awful NC St in the ACC.


ECU ECU GARRARD FOR LIFE.

PINKNEY RULES

[PhilDeez]

Good thing, much like the Hornets, I'm a life long East Carolina fan. WE ARE COMIN ON BITCHES. Pretty soon ECU is gonna replace awful NC St in the ACC.


ECU ECU GARRARD FOR LIFE.

PINKNEY RULES

ECU will be in the Big East in a year or two.

[Snoogans]

ECU will be in the Big East in a year or two.

god I hope not, Rutgers is bad enou...... I mean as an ECU fan, I'd rather be in the ACC. It's not gonna mean much when we are beating up on that dogshit

[PhilDeez]

god I hope not, Rutgers is bad enou...... I mean as an ECU fan, I'd rather be in the ACC. It's not gonna mean much when we are beating up on that dogshit

I agree. But the jump from CUSA to ACC is a huge one in the eyes of the ACC d bags who would make the call. Also, I don't see the ACC going to 14 and they would never force a school like NCST out.

[Snoogans]

I agree. But the jump from CUSA to ACC is a huge one in the eyes of the ACC d bags who would make the call. Also, I don't see the ACC going to 14 and they would never force a school like NCST out.

I agree with you. Thanks for ruining the homer ECU fan bit. Most likely they would end up in the big east when they are forced to expand or lose BCS conf status

[Snoogans]

isn't Cal giving like 15 in this game? They are gettin it PUT ON EM early in this one

[TheGameHHH]

isn't Cal giving like 15 in this game? They are gettin it PUT ON EM early in this one

As a life long Terps fan you should know the spread

[Snoogans]

As a life long Terps fan you should know the spread

ECU. Lifelong ECU. Started when I started with the Hornets. FUCK MARYLAND

[Snoogans]

I have to say, I like Andre Ware doing commentary. This is the 3rd game Ive watched with him this year, and he is usually pretty on point, he doesnt seem to pick a side, he will criticize anyone who deserves it. Good stuff so far

[El Mudo]

Lee Corso: "Cal wins this game by 3 touchdowns"

Herbstreit: "Yeah Maryland has no chance...its gonna be a long day for them"


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SUCK IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I have to say, I like Andre Ware doing commentary. This is the 3rd game Ive watched with him this year, and he is usually pretty on point, he doesnt seem to pick a side, he will criticize anyone who deserves it. Good stuff so far

Yeah, apparently if you're a shitty pro QB, you turn into a half-decent ESPN commentator. See: Palmer, Jesse.

[razorboy]

Yeah, apparently if you're a shitty pro QB, you turn into a half-decent ESPN commentator. See: Palmer, Jesse.

No, no, he said commentator. Not reality TV spiky-haired douchebag pretending to be an analyst.

[TheGameHHH]

Go Irish baby!!!!!!! Michigan has had butter fingers so far.

[Snoogans]

No, no, he said commentator. Not reality TV spiky-haired douchebag pretending to be an analyst.

Jesse Palmer is terrible

[Tenbatsuzen]

For me, rooting between ND and Michigan was like AIDS vs. Pancreatic Cancer.

Relatively dead weekend. Rutgers got pwned and WVU doesn't play til Thursday.

Carlin actually said on LoudMouths not to panic yet. He's kind of got a point.

[Snoogans]

For me, rooting between ND and Michigan was like AIDS vs. Pancreatic Cancer.

Relatively dead weekend. Rutgers got pwned and WVU doesn't play til Thursday.

Carlin actually said on LoudMouths not to panic yet. He's kind of got a point.

Ive panicked every time for the last 4 years that Mike Teel has taken a snap. ITS BAD NEWS.

Rutgers is way better then they have been playing, but sometimes it doesnt matter. If they lose to Navy next week, which is seriously possible, then the season is completely over. You really don't want this snowball going anywhere.


and West Virginia sucks, fuck them. Huge mistake extending Stewart

[Tenbatsuzen]

Ive panicked every time for the last 4 years that Mike Teel has taken a snap. ITS BAD NEWS.

Rutgers is way better then they have been playing, but sometimes it doesnt matter. If they lose to Navy next week, which is seriously possible, then the season is completely over. You really don't want this snowball going anywhere.


and West Virginia sucks, fuck them. Huge mistake extending Stewart

Rutgers hasn't been tackling worth shit. That's not something you can put on Teel. I agree with you that Teel isn't that great and now is getting exposed without Rice there, but they ain't tackling.

Stewart is incredibly cheap next to DickRod. The majority of his contract comes from appearance fees; if he has to be let go, the overall cost of the contract gets reduced, I guess. No matter what, four years of Stew is still cheaper than a year and a half of DickRod.

[Snoogans]

Rutgers hasn't been tackling worth shit. That's not something you can put on Teel. I agree with you that Teel isn't that great and now is getting exposed without Rice there, but they ain't tackling.

Stewart is incredibly cheap next to DickRod. The majority of his contract comes from appearance fees; if he has to be let go, the overall cost of the contract gets reduced, I guess. No matter what, four years of Stew is still cheaper than a year and a half of DickRod.

absolutely agree with that. But i think there were better options and I think Stewart might hurt the program in the long term

[led37zep]

I swear to fucking God I thought Hippo had picked my ducks or at least watched most of that game. We looked awful today and are lucky to walk away with that victory.

[Snoogans]

I swear to fucking God I thought Hippo had picked my ducks or at least watched most of that game. We looked awful today and are lucky to walk away with that victory.

i thought you were done for when purdue held you to a FG in 1st OT

[led37zep]

i thought you were done for when purdue held you to a FG in 1st OT

It was like seeing another team wearing Oregon uniforms. It was a first half i'd rather forget.

Our defense is the only thing that saved that game.
Roper was 20-48 with two INT's and he wasn't that solid. As soon as he was pushed out of the pocket he was worthless. Oregon has big problems entering into the PAC-10 games. Boise St might be an interesting test for the other QB's.

[Snoogans]

It was like seeing another team wearing Oregon uniforms. It was a first half i'd rather forget.

Our defense is the only thing that saved that game.
Roper was 20-48 with two INT's and he wasn't that solid. As soon as he was pushed out of the pocket he was worthless. Oregon has big problems entering into the PAC-10 games. Boise St might be an interesting test for the other QB's.

Maybe it'll help you to know Cal and UCLA comepletely blow

[led37zep]

Maybe it'll help you to know Cal and UCLA comepletely blow

Yes, but I'm going to be at the USC game. That's my main concern right now.

[Snoogans]

Yes, but I'm going to be at the USC game. That's my main concern right now.

Hopefully you get lucky and that happens to be the 1 game that USC shits themselves, like happens every year

[El Mudo]

the big 10 BLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW WSSSSSS

[joeyballsack]

I can not believe how bad SU has gotten the last few years. They were never a powerhouse but they at least put out some decent NFL talent and were competitive.

[bobsnin]

I grew up in Ohio. Ive always been a buckeyes fan. I was at the game in Columbus last weekend (my chic went to OSU I went to OU). I think this game is going be devastating to OSU. What recruit is going to want to play for a team that has been murdered in its last 3 big games. Hard times are coming down on c-bus.

[Da Fish]

I think this game is going be devastating to OSU.

35-3

OSU doesn't have much to be positive about in that massacre.

[El Mudo]

I have to say, I like Andre Ware doing commentary. This is the 3rd game Ive watched with him this year, and he is usually pretty on point, he doesnt seem to pick a side, he will criticize anyone who deserves it. Good stuff so far


Although it was EXTREMELY annoying how they kept bringing up the time difference between California and Maryland at every single opportunity and in every single way they could segue into it, they did.

How bout this. When I went to Maryland, the football team was up and out at 7 am EVERY SINGLE DAY, I know this because i saw it, every single day. I'm gonna go out on a limb and imagine Cal has a similar routine, so go screw with your "time difference".

They also replayed KBarnes' hit on Jahvid Best about 10,000 times, but THAT i found to be awesome...especially when Best puked all over himself on live TV after it happened

[cougarjake13]

35-3

OSU doesn't have much to be positive about in that massacre.



well at least it wasnt a shutout

[Tenbatsuzen]

absolutely agree with that. But i think there were better options and I think Stewart might hurt the program in the long term

The AD's hand was forced when they won the Fiesta. They don't win the Fiesta, Stew is still a lower-level coordinator with the team. Stew was told point blank the days leading up to the Fiesta Bowl that he was not in consideration at all, and one of the leading candidates was... ECU's Holtz.

Stew is an unknown commodity but the team loves him. I don't think anyone was expecting WVU to be a national championship contender with no Slaton.

I think if WVU shits the bed, Stew won't be here for long. I wouldn't be shocked if WVU keeps Holtz in their back pocket.

[Da Fish]

well at least it wasnt a shutout

I guess I was wrong:laugh:

[JimBeam]

I didn't get to see the ND game but I dig the score.

I saw Clausen's numbers, which weren't great, so I can only guess that it was the crapy field and Michigan turnovers that made it such a blowout.

How about UCLA taking a beating ? You mean in a game like that they couldn't even sneak in 1 score ?

USC/Oh St was about what I expected.

[Snoogans]

I didn't get to see the ND game but I dig the score.

I saw Clausen's numbers, which weren't great, so I can only guess that it was the crapy field and Michigan turnovers that made it such a blowout.

How about UCLA taking a beating ? You mean in a game like that they couldn't even sneak in 1 score ?

USC/Oh St was about what I expected.

Michigan fumbled, ND scored, Michigan fumbled a punt, ND score and they might have scored another one early after a turnover.

After that they pretty much were coasting

[Tallman388]

35-3

OSU doesn't have much to be positive about in that massacre.

Yeah but according to Tressel, they played hard. I'm not sure that I saw the same game he did.

[JimBeam]

Well I think I did see one of their defensive linemen celebrating after a tackle in the 4th quarter.

He was very motivated for having stopped USC from possibly making the game 42-3.

[Snoogans]

Maybe Ohio State was supposed to shave points and was just REALLY good at it

[JimBeam]

What was the spread in that game ?

You see that Bradford for Oklahoma threw more TDs ( 5 I think ) than incompletions ( 3 again I think ) ?

Not sure if he's that good or if Washington is just that bad.

[Thebazile78]

Ive panicked every time for the last 4 years that Mike Teel has taken a snap. ITS BAD NEWS.

Rutgers is way better then they have been playing, but sometimes it doesnt matter. If they lose to Navy next week, which is seriously possible, then the season is completely over. You really don't want this snowball going anywhere.


I tend to look at RU football philosophically.

If it stinks, I know I've survived worse since beginning my association with the Scarlet Knights.

Like the 1997 season where I remember "us" losing to TEMPLE on HOMECOMING. "We" went 0-11 that year ... and followed it with a 5-6 record in 1998. Having had such low expectations, many of my fellow cynics and I were downright jubilant with that 5-6!

Teel today, when compared to Mike McMahon then, is not so bad. (Not that he's great, just that he's not so bad.)

[yojimbo7248]

USC could beat any other team this season, hands down. All discussions about college football this season are about who is number two.

[Snoogans]

I tend to look at RU football philosophically.

If it stinks, I know I've survived worse since beginning my association with the Scarlet Knights.

Like the 1997 season where I remember "us" losing to TEMPLE on HOMECOMING. "We" went 0-11 that year ... and followed it with a 5-6 record in 1998. Having had such low expectations, many of my fellow cynics and I were downright jubilant with that 5-6!

Teel today, when compared to Mike McMahon then, is not so bad. (Not that he's great, just that he's not so bad.)

personally, id take McMahon right now. Id take fuckin lovelace in there right now. At least they could move around and buy some time. Everytime Teel gets pressured, he either takes a sack or throws some dumb pass. Not to be confused with the ton of dumb passes he throws into coverage when he has great protection. Teel has looked lost this year. Chiano has looked lost this year. It's like Hippos completely stole all their talent.

Hippos is a real life Monstar

[Snoogans]

USC could beat any other team this season, hands down. All discussions about college football this season are about who is number two.

Oklahoma might have something to say about that. They look pretty fuckin amazing too

[Thebazile78]

personally, id take McMahon right now. Id take fuckin lovelace in there right now. At least they could move around and buy some time. Everytime Teel gets pressured, he either takes a sack or throws some dumb pass. Not to be confused with the ton of dumb passes he throws into coverage when he has great protection. Teel has looked lost this year. Chiano has looked lost this year. It's like Hippos completely stole all their talent.

Hippos is a real life Monstar

I wouldn't.

I saw McMahon snatch defeat from the jaws of victory one too many times to ever think he'd be better than Teel. Maybe he's matured in the years since he graduated; I don't know.

You REALLY wouldn't want Jabu Lovelace back. Please say you're joking. It's bad enough that the kid has a name that's only a syllable off from a similar-sounding racial slur, but the fact that he ONLY runs the ball and can't throw for shit? Are you kidding? Please say you're kidding!

Mike Teel hasn't been the same since his thumb injury last year. Which is really frustrating, because Kenny Britt and Tiquan Underwood need something to do in games. They're good players. (OK, I had some issues with Underwood in the past, mostly because he was doing a butterfingers routine EVERY PASS. But I got over it.)

Schiano is not an offense-guy; he's a defense-guy. Say what you like about the defense, but the failures of the offense are squarely on the shoulders of the offensive line and their coordinators. HOWEVER, without a clear plan on how to use the players you have rather than wishing you had players who've moved on, this season doesn't look good.

As a head coach, I haven't seen him screaming on the sidelines as much as he did last year and the year before ... but I also switched off Thursday's game after Underwood ran off the field after he got hit. (OUCH. I could feel that hit in my apartment.)

The season's not over yet.

Saturday's game is against Navy ... in Annapolis. Kind of a draw going in, but I don't know what the Midshipmen look like this year.

[JimBeam]

USC does look good and Sanchez looks better than I thought he might but as somebody pointed out they can, and have, trip up in a meaningless game.

Again w/ reagrds to Sanchez I thought he was gonna be a douche, mostly because of all that off the field stuff ( alleged rape which was obvioulsy made up ), but in the interviews I've seen w/ him he seems like a good guy and keeps things in perspective.

While OU does look very good they haven't played anybody yet so we'll see.

[Snoogans]

I wouldn't.

I saw McMahon snatch defeat from the jaws of victory one too many times to ever think he'd be better than Teel. Maybe he's matured in the years since he graduated; I don't know.

You REALLY wouldn't want Jabu Lovelace back. Please say you're joking. It's bad enough that the kid has a name that's only a syllable off from a similar-sounding racial slur, but the fact that he ONLY runs the ball and can't throw for shit? Are you kidding? Please say you're kidding!

Mike Teel hasn't been the same since his thumb injury last year. Which is really frustrating, because Kenny Britt and Tiquan Underwood need something to do in games. They're good players. (OK, I had some issues with Underwood in the past, mostly because he was doing a butterfingers routine EVERY PASS. But I got over it.)

Schiano is not an offense-guy; he's a defense-guy. Say what you like about the defense, but the failures of the offense are squarely on the shoulders of the offensive line and their coordinators. HOWEVER, without a clear plan on how to use the players you have rather than wishing you had players who've moved on, this season doesn't look good.

As a head coach, I haven't seen him screaming on the sidelines as much as he did last year and the year before ... but I also switched off Thursday's game after Underwood ran off the field after he got hit. (OUCH. I could feel that hit in my apartment.)

The season's not over yet.

Saturday's game is against Navy ... in Annapolis. Kind of a draw going in, but I don't know what the Midshipmen look like this year.

I watched teel throw 6 INTs in the state champ game his Sr year in HS. Ever since that day, id probably take anyone over him at QB. Id take fuckin Ryan Hart back

[Snoogans]

USC does look good and Sanchez looks better than I thought he might but as somebody pointed out they can, and have, trip up in a meaningless game.

Again w/ reagrds to Sanchez I thought he was gonna be a douche, mostly because of all that off the field stuff ( alleged rape which was obvioulsy made up ), but in the interviews I've seen w/ him he seems like a good guy and keeps things in perspective.

While OU does look very good they haven't played anybody yet so we'll see.

I cant say they havent played anyone. Washington didnt embarrass themselves against oregon, and then almost beat BYU who RAPED UCLA this weekend. But Oklahoma just looks like a machine right now, similar to USC

[PhishHead]

I watched teel throw 6 INTs in the state champ game his Sr year in HS. Ever since that day, id probably take anyone over him at QB. Id take fuckin Ryan Hart back

I'd have to agree, being a non-rutgers but watching Rutgers every week and seeing Teel in HS, I'd have to say he is horrible always has been. Underwood and Britt made up for alot of his mistakes last year they make him look better than he actually is.

[JimBeam]

I consider the OU/Wash game to be on par with USC/UVA, both playing non-conference BCS schools that are average at best , but OU has not yet played their version of a Oh St/USC game.

[Snoogans]

I consider the OU/Wash game to be on par with USC/UVA, both playing non-conference BCS schools that are average at best , but OU has not yet played their version of a Oh St/USC game.

yea cause ohio state looks like such a power this year, barely beating Ohio and then getting raped

[JimBeam]

I'm no defender of Oh St but I'm sure, in the end, they'll be better than UT Chattanooga and Cincinnati, who OU has played so far.

[Thebazile78]

I watched teel throw 6 INTs in the state champ game his Sr year in HS. Ever since that day, id probably take anyone over him at QB. Id take fuckin Ryan Hart back

You're a Bosco-Boy? I did not know that.

Anybody you see play poorly you don't want back; I don't blame you.

[Snoogans]

I'm no defender of Oh St but I'm sure, in the end, they'll be better than UT Chattanooga and Cincinnati, who OU has played so far.

I will say, Cincinatti isnt bad. Although the whole big east looks like shit so far. And OU also just RUINED Washington, who isnt bad. No, none of them are OSU, but right now neither is OSU. The big ten isnt exactly looking like the powerhouse right now. And regardless of how good USC or OU looks, they choke a weak game EVERY YEAR. I will not submit that they would beat half the SEC until I see them do it

[Snoogans]

You're a Bosco-Boy? I did not know that.

Anybody you see play poorly you don't want back; I don't blame you.

I didnt go to Bosco, Mahwah High School I went to. But my friend coaches here so I go to alot of games, and I check out the games that have players that are supposed to become something in college.

I will say though, that Bosco team CARRIED his ass all year. Just like Rutgers has so far. 6 INTs, 0 TDs in the state championship and they WON 7-6. That fucker still got to dance and celebrate and all that. Makes me sick


FUCK MIKE TEEL

[Freakshow]

I will say, Cincinatti isnt bad. Although the whole big east looks like shit so far. And OU also just RUINED Washington, who isnt bad. No, none of them are OSU, but right now neither is OSU. The big ten isnt exactly looking like the powerhouse right now. And regardless of how good USC or OU looks, they choke a weak game EVERY YEAR. I will not submit that they would beat half the SEC until I see them do it

Osu will get their shit together in time to play the big boys. And so will Michigan. I'm hoping my Nits can beat either of them this year (more wins against ohio state since joining the Big Ten, of course). But i'm not that optimisitc. The jinx against big blue has almost put me off college football. A lot of folks are seriously wishing Penn State was out of the big ten. But at least we just kicked the crap out of the team that was most responsbile for keeping them out of the Big East. For the record I don't mind being in the big ten (it fits the school more overall, in terms of academics, etc...) but I do wish they would get rid of the head of officials who has a Michigan shrine in his basement...

[Thebazile78]

I didnt go to Bosco, Mahwah High School I went to. But my friend coaches here so I go to alot of games, and I check out the games that have players that are supposed to become something in college.

I will say though, that Bosco team CARRIED his ass all year. Just like Rutgers has so far. 6 INTs, 0 TDs in the state championship and they WON 7-6. That fucker still got to dance and celebrate and all that. Makes me sick


FUCK MIKE TEEL

Oh, OK, now I get it.

Commentators last season liked to point out that Teel was undefeated in his career as a starter at Bosco, but ... Bosco has a way with assembling a football team that wins.

The RU offense this year isn't strong enough to carry weak play like that, but after checking the roster and realizing he's the most experienced QB, followed by Lovelace, it's frightening. And, please don't say you'd prefer Lovelace. I think he wants to be Donovan McNabb, but he's not nearly fast enough.

Sometimes, though, you gotta go with the freshman to shake things up a bit. There's a kid from Ewing on the roster who was able to enroll early and participate in Spring practice. Maybe he'd be a good switch.

[Snoogans]

Oh, OK, now I get it.

Commentators last season liked to point out that Teel was undefeated in his career as a starter at Bosco, but ... Bosco has a way with assembling a football team that wins.

The RU offense this year isn't strong enough to carry weak play like that, but after checking the roster and realizing he's the most experienced QB, followed by Lovelace, it's frightening. And, please don't say you'd prefer Lovelace. I think he wants to be Donovan McNabb, but he's not nearly fast enough.

Sometimes, though, you gotta go with the freshman to shake things up a bit. There's a kid from Ewing on the roster who was able to enroll early and participate in Spring practice. Maybe he'd be a good switch.

i say i prefer lovelace because, if we are gonna get CRUSHED, and Teel is gonna look this bad, might as well make it more fun. Lovelace needs to be used some anyway, which Schiano finally did. More of it is me just not wanting to watch Teel piss away the season.

Im not sure if they redshirted DC Jefferson, but if not, put him in. At least get him some experience because, I agree, I dont think lovelace, Natale, or Paul-Etienne are the answer. Let the kid take his lumps if this year gets anymore out of hand. And if that doesn't work, at least they have an Elite 11 QB coming in next year

[ozzie]

USC could beat any other team this season, hands down. All discussions about college football this season are about who is number two.

I remember people saying the same thing about Oklahoma in 2003. They were SO far ahead of everyone else in the BCS rankings that even losing the Big 12 championship 35 - 7 to Kansas State couldn't keep them out of the BCS title game (which they lost 21 - 14 to SEC Champ LSU).

I'll say it again. The SEC Champion, regardless of record, has to have a chance to play for the title. But, just like 2004, if OU and USC run the table, the SEC Champ will get shut out. We'll never know if AU could have beaten USC that year, but it couldn't have been worse than the 55 - 19 pounding OU took.

The SEC is 4 - 0 in title games since the BCS format started in '98. Only one of those teams (Tennessee, 1998) was undefeated, or ranked #1. It's not likely any SEC team will go undefeated again this year.

If this isn't enough reason to at least add a "Plus One" game, I don't know what is.

[Freakshow]

I remember people saying the same thing about Oklahoma in 2003. They were SO far ahead of everyone else in the BCS rankings that even losing the Big 12 championship 35 - 7 to Kansas State couldn't keep them out of the BCS title game (which they lost 21 - 14 to SEC Champ LSU).

I'll say it again. The SEC Champion, regardless of record, has to have a chance to play for the title. But, just like 2004, if OU and USC run the table, the SEC Champ will get shut out. We'll never know if AU could have beaten USC that year, but it couldn't have been worse than the 55 - 19 pounding OU took.

The SEC is 4 - 0 in title games since the BCS format started in '98. Only one of those teams (Tennessee, 1998) was undefeated, or ranked #1. It's not likely any SEC team will go undefeated again this year.

If this isn't enough reason to at least add a "Plus One" game, I don't know what is.

Maybe the SEC just does a better job of weeding out teams every years the champ isn't worthy. What if the SEC champ has 3 or 4 losses? Plus one still seems like a band-aid on the true problem--playoff or nothing at all.

What kills me is OSU knocked off a heavily favored Miami team in the '02 BCS game, but that gets completely erased in the public min when they lose 2 in a row. Every year if different, every game is different. Anyone who tries to say 'x conference is better than y,' is just wasting their time.

[ozzie]

Maybe the SEC just does a better job of weeding out teams every years the champ isn't worthy. What if the SEC champ has 3 or 4 losses? Plus one still seems like a band-aid on the true problem--playoff or nothing at all.

What kills me is OSU knocked off a heavily favored Miami team in the '02 BCS game, but that gets completely erased in the public min when they lose 2 in a row. Every year if different, every game is different. Anyone who tries to say 'x conference is better than y,' is just wasting their time.

Of course I'd prefer a playoff, but a "Plus One" with 1 vs. 4, and 2 vs. 3 in "semi-final" games, would be better than what it is now.

I guess my point is that every BCS conference champ should have a chance at the title. Again, regardless of record.

It was sheer luck that W. Virginia lost to Pitt last year, and LSU got a chance to play in the title game with two losses. Everything fell into place.

[JimBeam]

A +1 game would only make sense if there were more than 2 undefeated teams.

There's no way a team that goes 13-0, say Texas in 2005, should ever have to play another team that might be 12-1 ) reagrdless of the conference ).

The only stipulation I'd make is if that team played a weak, see Hawaii last year, schedule.

Imagine a sceanrio, although completely unlikey, where the winners of all the BCS conferences are undefeated.

So even if you eliminated some of those in the first round bowl game you could still have what 3 other undefeated teams ?

Then which 2 play in the +1 game ?

[ozzie]

Like someone said above, you can't compare the conferences on any given year. You can't say that going undefeated in the Big 12, Big East, etc., is better than surviving with only one loss in another conference. They don't play the same teams, so there's not direct comparison. YES, if Texas is undefeated, and Oklahoma has a loss, then obviously they shouldn't have to play again in a "playoff". But you can't compare teams from different conferences simply on record.

Why do they bother having a 64 team tournament in Basketball then? Some of the Anti-playoff arguements are absolutely insane. Why not just crown the #1 voted team at the end of the basketball season? For that matter, how many times have the AP #1 and #2 teams (at the end of the regular season and conference tournaments) met in the Tournament Championship game? How many #1's have gone on to win the tournament? Sure it's happened, but fans would lose their minds if anyone claimed a championship based on being "voted" #1 by writers or coaches at the end of the season without playing in the tournament.

The "Plus One" system proposed by the commissioners, didn't elimitate the Coaches Poll, Harris Poll or BCS poll voting. It simply placed the #1 and #4 ranked teams (per Final BCS rankings) into one of the 4 "BCS" bowl games, and the #2 and #3 ranked teams in another. The winner of each would then meet in the "BCS Championship Game". It didn't add any games, or length to the season.

It didn't seed any conference champions, there are no "automatic bids" for conference champs. It's simply the #1 thru #4 ranked teams, and you could conceivably have two teams from the same conference into the "Final Four".

Last year, Ohio State 11-1 (1) would have played Oklahoma 11-2 (4), and LSU 11-2 (2) would have played Virginia Tech 11-2 (3). (Four of the Six BCS Conferences represented) The winners of each game would have met in the championship game.

It's not the best scenario, but at least two more teams have a shot. Ideally, YES, I think every conference champion (12) should get a bid to a 16 team playoff, and add the next 4 highest ranked teams as "at large"... but you have to start somewhere.

So, are you saying that had Ohio State not lost to Illinois last year, and ended up 12-0 (No Big 10 Championship Game) that they should have just been crowned "National Champion" at the end of the regular season??? No way they should "have to play" a two loss LSU team. Right?

So no consideration for strength of schedule then, huh? Just go undefeated, hope no one else does, and collect your title? Shit, why bother playing USC in a non-conference game then? Just add Coastal Carolina to the non-conference schedule, along with Ohio U, Youngstown State and Troy. Then pick out 8 of the other 10 teams in your conference, and if you survive undefeated, you win it all.

So what if you only played four teams that were ranked when you played them... and none of which were higher than #21... and only two of which were still ranked in the top-25 at the end of the season.

Fuck it. Crown USC now. I'm obviously not going to win this arguement.

[Snoogans]

I will say, Cincinatti isnt bad. Although the whole big east looks like shit so far. And OU also just RUINED Washington, who isnt bad. No, none of them are OSU, but right now neither is OSU. The big ten isnt exactly looking like the powerhouse right now. And regardless of how good USC or OU looks, they choke a weak game EVERY YEAR. I will not submit that they would beat half the SEC until I see them do it



Fuck it. Crown USC now. I'm obviously not going to win this arguement.

Im with you bro. Trust me. USC and Oklahoma will likely choke it. And the SEC will get fucked cause they beat each other up.

[ozzie]

Oh, and for you fans of the current Bowl System, every BCS conference champion already has an automatic bid to a BCS game, so don't act like winning your conference doesn't matter.

Does anyone remember Utah beating the shit out of a completely overmatched 8-3 Big East Champ Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl in 2004?

Even last year. After the Bowl games played out, did anyone still think OU and Va Tech were two of the top 4 teams? So USC and Georgia had no shot or right to have a chance to play for the title?

No outrage for OU going to the BCS title game in 2003 after not even winning their conference? Or Nebraska going to the title game in 2001 without even qualifying or playing in their conference championship game?

Yeah, the current system works. "Every week is a playoff" already. Playoff, schmayoff. We don't want to diminish the integrity of the Eagle Bank Bowl and GMAC Bowl, and the regular season. So what if there's 120 teams playing in 12 different conferences. We should trust the "un-biased" coaches and distiguished members of the Harris Poll (and six computers) to decide the two best teams after playing a 12 game schedule.

Do a little research and look into just who the "BCS" governing body is, and why it's in their interest to keep the status quo.

[Snoogans]

yes, i would love a playoff. But I like it how it is too. I like how important it makes every regular season game. I like the whole set up. I like how some lesser schools who have a good year get rewarded with a bowl game, some money and some exposure. It might not be difinitive, but its sure as hell alot of fun to watch

[ozzie]

yes, i would love a playoff. But I like it how it is too. I like how important it makes every regular season game. I like the whole set up. I like how some lesser schools who have a good year get rewarded with a bowl game, some money and some exposure. It might not be difinitive, but its sure as hell alot of fun to watch

With a 16 team playoff, and every conference champ (including Sun Belt, MAC, WAC, Mountain West, Conference USA, and the highest ranked Independent Team) automatically qualifying, you wouldn't lose a thing. With the current system, you still have to win your conference (supposedly fixed since OU and Neb in '03 and '01). Ohio State losing to Michigan still has the same impact in a playoff scenario. That only leaves 4 at large teams.

The "cinderella" teams like Hawaii last year, get more than a chance to collect a paycheck in the Sugar Bowl. They would have a legit chance at a title. Not a consolation prize of a ceremonial ass kicking in a BCS game.

Look at the way this year is shaping up. Does anyone think BYU or East Carolina would get a fair chance to play for the title even if they win all of their games? Be honest. Look at their remaining schedules.

The ACC is a mess right now, but a team like Florida State could get hot and win out. However, starting the season un-ranked, and playing a somewhat weak conference schedule, they'd have a tough time making the title game.

I really don't see where the regular season suddenly becomes less important in this system.

If anything, knowing that losing a non-conference game would not hurt your chances of still qualifying for the playoff, teams would be more likely to schedule challenging games in order to collect more TV and ticket revenue, and also gain more experience by playing another BCS school. Sure, the non-conference games are less important towards winning your conference, but would still be a factor for getting an at large bid.

The NCAA was all for the "super 12 conferences" to develop, and add Conference Championship games because of the added money they generate. They didn't seem to be concerned about the added week of play for the poor student athletes then (or when they went from an 11 game schedule to 12, and added two bye weeks). They also weren't concerned that a 3 loss SEC West Team could upset an undefeated SEC East team in this additional game, even though that meant that the regular conference schedule was "less meaningful". They saw the interest, the money, and they went for it. Not to mention that with this system, 64 teams practice and play bowl games through December and through final exams. (Another of their arguments)

The fact that they added the conference championship games alone trumps any argument the NCAA has put forth so far, except for the "touchy, feely, feel good argument" that in their bowl system, 32 teams get to end their season with a win and as "Bowl Game Champions".

YAY! Why not just stop keeping records and scores? Everyone is a winner! Let's all get our orange slices after the game and look forward to the pizza party at the end of the year where we all get a trophy just for doing our best!

[Snoogans]

With a 16 team playoff, and every conference champ (including Sun Belt, MAC, WAC, Mountain West, Conference USA, and the highest ranked Independent Team) automatically qualifying, you wouldn't lose a thing. With the current system, you still have to win your conference (supposedly fixed since OU and Neb in '03 and '01). Ohio State losing to Michigan still has the same impact in a playoff scenario. That only leaves 4 at large teams.

The "cinderella" teams like Hawaii last year, get more than a chance to collect a paycheck in the Sugar Bowl. They would have a legit chance at a title. Not a consolation prize of a ceremonial ass kicking in a BCS game.

Look at the way this year is shaping up. Does anyone think BYU or East Carolina would get a fair chance to play for the title even if they win all of their games? Be honest. Look at their remaining schedules.

The ACC is a mess right now, but a team like Florida State could get hot and win out. However, starting the season un-ranked, and playing a somewhat weak conference schedule, they'd have a tough time making the title game.

I really don't see where the regular season suddenly becomes less important in this system.

If anything, knowing that losing a non-conference game would not hurt your chances of still qualifying for the playoff, teams would be more likely to schedule challenging games in order to collect more TV and ticket revenue, and also gain more experience by playing another BCS school. Sure, the non-conference games are less important towards winning your conference, but would still be a factor for getting an at large bid.

The NCAA was all for the "super 12 conferences" to develop, and add Conference Championship games because of the added money they generate. They didn't seem to be concerned about the added week of play for the poor student athletes then (or when they went from an 11 game schedule to 12, and added two bye weeks). They also weren't concerned that a 3 loss SEC West Team could upset an undefeated SEC East team in this additional game, even though that meant that the regular conference schedule was "less meaningful". They saw the interest, the money, and they went for it. Not to mention that with this system, 64 teams practice and play bowl games through December and through final exams. (Another of their arguments)

The fact that they added the conference championship games alone trumps any argument the NCAA has put forth so far, except for the "touchy, feely, feel good argument" that in their bowl system, 32 teams get to end their season with a win and as "Bowl Game Champions".

YAY! Why not just stop keeping records and scores? Everyone is a winner! Let's all get our orange slices after the game and look forward to the pizza party at the end of the year where we all get a trophy just for doing our best!

too much to read. Maybe when im sober I will have a comment, cause I cant assume it would take this much to agree with me

[Thebazile78]

i say i prefer lovelace because, if we are gonna get CRUSHED, and Teel is gonna look this bad, might as well make it more fun. Lovelace needs to be used some anyway, which Schiano finally did. More of it is me just not wanting to watch Teel piss away the season.

Im not sure if they redshirted DC Jefferson, but if not, put him in. At least get him some experience because, I agree, I dont think lovelace, Natale, or Paul-Etienne are the answer. Let the kid take his lumps if this year gets anymore out of hand. And if that doesn't work, at least they have an Elite 11 QB coming in next year

It doesn't look like D.C. Jefferson (http://www.scarletknights.com/football/roster/roster-detail.asp?ID=3977) was redshirted (the online roster has no indication that he'd been redshirted ... although I don't know what his academics are like; if they're poor, he's screwed) and I agree, the kid's stats look really good.

I think that Steve Shimko (http://www.scarletknights.com/football/roster/roster-detail.asp?ID=4021) looks like a feasible alternate as well. He was able to take spring practice with the team, so he's already worked with a number of the guys already on the offensive line.

I haven't seen Coach use Lovelace often or effectively, but that's mostly because I zone out when he's on the field ... the one time I actually remember him playing was at Homecoming last season and that was kind of pointless because the Knights had been whomping the Norfolk State Spartans for 3 quarters already. Needless to say, I had a good time at that game. (I had a spot in the alumni section, around the 50-yard line, in the seats with backs, and they were free tickets ... who's arguing???)

[Snoogans]

It doesn't look like D.C. Jefferson (http://www.scarletknights.com/football/roster/roster-detail.asp?ID=3977) was redshirted (the online roster has no indication that he'd been redshirted ... although I don't know what his academics are like; if they're poor, he's screwed) and I agree, the kid's stats look really good.

I think that Steve Shimko (http://www.scarletknights.com/football/roster/roster-detail.asp?ID=4021) looks like a feasible alternate as well. He was able to take spring practice with the team, so he's already worked with a number of the guys already on the offensive line.

I haven't seen Coach use Lovelace often or effectively, but that's mostly because I zone out when he's on the field ... the one time I actually remember him playing was at Homecoming last season and that was kind of pointless because the Knights had been whomping the Norfolk State Spartans for 3 quarters already. Needless to say, I had a good time at that game. (I had a spot in the alumni section, around the 50-yard line, in the seats with backs, and they were free tickets ... who's arguing???)
They have Tom Savage, an elite 11 QB coming in next year too.

I figured they would redshirt Jefferson just cause they have 4 QBs ahead of him, why waste his eligibility. If he is eligible, GET HIS ASS ON THE FIELD

Lovelace ran a few times last week right after half, tryin to get it going. Mostly he comes in, runs a couple options, and comes out. It works for a bit, but eventually they just key on him cause they know what he is gonna do. Last year it was used well, so far its almost not been used this year.

Schiano just looks bad in general this year

[Thebazile78]

They have Tom Savage, an elite 11 QB coming in next year too.

I figured they would redshirt Jefferson just cause they have 4 QBs ahead of him, why waste his eligibility. If he is eligible, GET HIS ASS ON THE FIELD

Lovelace ran a few times last week right after half, tryin to get it going. Mostly he comes in, runs a couple options, and comes out. It works for a bit, but eventually they just key on him cause they know what he is gonna do. Last year it was used well, so far its almost not been used this year.

Schiano just looks bad in general this year

They've got a bunch of QB's graduating this year, so getting the eligible QB's field time would make sense. They're still not necessarily gonna start a Frosh, but you never know. I think it's waaaay too risky to start Lovelace, so going to one of the younger guys just might work.

Any coach who has the time to go play golf with an out-of-conference opponent during the off-season has other problems that ought to be dealt with.

Besides Bill Dowling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_C._Dowling), that is.

[Snoogans]

They've got a bunch of QB's graduating this year, so getting the eligible QB's field time would make sense. They're still not necessarily gonna start a Frosh, but you never know. I think it's waaaay too risky to start Lovelace, so going to one of the younger guys just might work.

Any coach who has the time to go play golf with an out-of-conference opponent during the off-season has other problems that ought to be dealt with.

Besides Bill Dowling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_C._Dowling), that is.

actually only teel graduates. Lovelace and Natale are Juniors and Chris Paul-Etienne is a soph I believe, maybe a jr.
As for Schiano, I know already he enjoys frequenting the Rutgers owned golf course. Im sure also some of this shit got to his head where he thinks he is better and might not have to work as hard. Esp since, despite the slow year last year and terrible start, he is still pulling recruits like this school has never seen. Very strange spot the program is in right now

[Thebazile78]

actually only teel graduates. Lovelace and Natale are Juniors and Chris Paul-Etienne is a soph I believe, maybe a jr.
As for Schiano, I know already he enjoys frequenting the Rutgers owned golf course. Im sure also some of this shit got to his head where he thinks he is better and might not have to work as hard. Esp since, despite the slow year last year and terrible start, he is still pulling recruits like this school has never seen. Very strange spot the program is in right now

The RU Golf Course is spitting distance from the practice bubble and Rutgers Stadium on the Bush Campus.

It's not like Coach is off galavanting in East Brunswick or Monroe if he wants to play. He's still right there in Piscataway, on campus. (It's apparently an award-winning course. I don't play, so I've never really seen it, but I've been "invited" to many an alumni golf tournament.)

Both Natale (http://www.scarletknights.com/football/roster/roster-detail.asp?ID=4005) and Lovelace (http://www.scarletknights.com/football/roster/roster-detail.asp?ID=3992) are class-year Seniors (eligibility-year Juniors.)

Chris Paul-Etienne (http://www.scarletknights.com/football/roster/roster-detail.asp?ID=4011) is a Junior (eligibility-year Sophomore.)

Unless they're really struggling academically, Lovelace and Natale could graduate this year with Teel.

Anyway, I get what you're saying about having that kind of complacency. Nobody's quoting him saying stuff like "keep on choppin'" (etc.) this year ... which is crazy.

[Snoogans]

The RU Golf Course is spitting distance from the practice bubble and Rutgers Stadium on the Bush Campus.

It's not like Coach is off galavanting in East Brunswick or Monroe if he wants to play. He's still right there in Piscataway, on campus. (It's apparently an award-winning course. I don't play, so I've never really seen it, but I've been "invited" to many an alumni golf tournament.)

Both Natale (http://www.scarletknights.com/football/roster/roster-detail.asp?ID=4005) and Lovelace (http://www.scarletknights.com/football/roster/roster-detail.asp?ID=3992) are class-year Seniors (eligibility-year Juniors.)

Chris Paul-Etienne (http://www.scarletknights.com/football/roster/roster-detail.asp?ID=4011) is a Junior (eligibility-year Sophomore.)

Unless they're really struggling academically, Lovelace and Natale could graduate this year with Teel.

Anyway, I get what you're saying about having that kind of complacency. Nobody's quoting him saying stuff like "keep on choppin'" (etc.) this year ... which is crazy.

yea sorry, i was going by eligibility. but even if they graduate, if they wanna play sr year, they only have to take 8 credits. It doesnt matter that they are academically graduates as long as they are still enrolled
Plus alot of football guys, from workload of everything, only take 12 credits a semester, so they all end up about a semester short through 4 years.

[Thebazile78]

yea sorry, i was going by eligibility. but even if they graduate, if they wanna play sr year, they only have to take 8 credits. It doesnt matter that they are academically graduates as long as they are still enrolled

Enrolled part-time means you're still eligible?

(You need to carry 11 or more credits to be considered full-time at RU.)

[Snoogans]

Enrolled part-time means you're still eligible?

(You need to carry 11 or more credits to be considered full-time at RU.)

it goes by NCAA laws, 8 or more is full time. And i added up top, most football guys dont carry 15 credits per, so most dont get to 120 in 4 years even with good grades

[Snoogans]

at least i think its 8. I know that alot of 5 year seniors when they talk in other games i watch are only taking 3 classes that year cause they only need 8. I dont think something like that would be up to the schools the way the Nazi's, i mean NCAA, run shit

[Thebazile78]

it goes by NCAA laws, 8 or more is full time. And i added up top, most football guys dont carry 15 credits per, so most dont get to 120 in 4 years even with good grades

I didn't know that about the NCAA. Thanks.

As far as 30 credits per year, you can get some of the courses you couldn't take during the fall using summer session courses until training camp starts. (Which does time out well.)

And, if you get injured and can't make it to the postseason, the winter session is a great way to pick up a few credits.

Of course, that implies that you're an overachiever. Which may not necessarily be the case with some of these "oh-so-close" guys.

[Snoogans]

I didn't know that about the NCAA. Thanks.

As far as 30 credits per year, you can get some of the courses you couldn't take during the fall using summer session courses until training camp starts. (Which does time out well.)

And, if you get injured and can't make it to the postseason, the winter session is a great way to pick up a few credits.

Of course, that implies that you're an overachiever. Which may not necessarily be the case with some of these "oh-so-close" guys.

i would be willing to bet that 50% of division 1 football and basketball players dont even know they offer summer and winter courses in college

[Thebazile78]

i would be willing to bet that 50% of division 1 football and basketball players dont even know they offer summer and winter courses in college

I'll give you that.

RU has a history of thinking that it's academics first, though. (Not so much in the last few years ... I didn't realize that President McCormick had declared athletics to be a priority in his long-term plan to increase alumni connection to RU ... and, ultimately, alumni giving. Personally, I think he's barking up the wrong tree and the investment might be a very poor one at the expense of the students and other, smaller teams. But, whatever. This is what happens when state funding is cut year after year after year.)

[Snoogans]

I'll give you that.

RU has a history of thinking that it's academics first, though. (Not so much in the last few years ... I didn't realize that President McCormick had declared athletics to be a priority in his long-term plan to increase alumni connection to RU ... and, ultimately, alumni giving. Personally, I think he's barking up the wrong tree and the investment might be a very poor one at the expense of the students and other, smaller teams. But, whatever. This is what happens when state funding is cut year after year after year.)

In fairness, they are 3rd in the nation in academics on the football team. They have worked at it. I will give them that

[PhishHead]

I'll give you that.

RU has a history of thinking that it's academics first, though. (Not so much in the last few years ... I didn't realize that President McCormick had declared athletics to be a priority in his long-term plan to increase alumni connection to RU ... and, ultimately, alumni giving. Personally, I think he's barking up the wrong tree and the investment might be a very poor one at the expense of the students and other, smaller teams. But, whatever. This is what happens when state funding is cut year after year after year.)

But every school is more lenient with their athletes than the general college students. So even if the school bolsters that it is academics first, they don't always mean that student athletes are included in that.

[Freakshow]

But every school is more lenient with their athletes than the general college students. So even if the school bolsters that it is academics first, they don't always mean that student athletes are included in that.

not every school.

[JimBeam]

Ozzie the thing you're missing is that it's not the NCAA that wants the conference title games. It's the conferences and the schools that want the revenue.

Sure the NCAA reaps some benefits but they do put caps on who adds title games.

They will not allow a conference w/out 12 teams to hold a title game.

The ACC tried before they added Va Tech and BC but they were denied the right so that's why they added the extra teams.

You act like the SEC gets punished for having a title game. I guess you're forgettting that it was the SEC that started the trend back in 1992.

At the time an undefeated Alabama team could've lost to a UF team w/ at least 1 loss and would've been denied a chance to play Miami and win the Nat'l Title.

That was years before the BCS so you can't blame the NCAA if a third place SEC West team beats an undefeated team from the East and vice versa because it was the SEC that came up with the idea.

[PhishHead]

not every school.

some of the hardest academic schools actually go pretty easy on their athletes, Notre Dame, Cal, UNC, and Duke to name ones I know about.

[Snoogans]

some of the hardest academic schools actually go pretty easy on their athletes, Notre Dame, Cal, UNC, and Duke to name ones I know about.

fuck duke. Desmond Scott is a fag

[PhishHead]

fuck duke. Desmond Scott is a fag

never going to let that go eh?

[JimBeam]

I think I heard that Wake Forest is going to do away with SAT/ACT scores ( although there may be others that have already done this ).

I don't think it's related to sports but if one school is willing to do that you can see others doing it as well.

Could make recruiting a guy that would go to a JUCO a lot easier.

[Snoogans]

never going to let that go eh?

Probably not until he officially starts at duke next year. Then I'll just be rooting for him to suck.

But for now, FUCK DESMOND SCOTT. Pussy

[ozzie]

Ozzie the thing you're missing is that it's not the NCAA that wants the conference title games. It's the conferences and the schools that want the revenue.

Sure the NCAA reaps some benefits but they do put caps on who adds title games.

They will not allow a conference w/out 12 teams to hold a title game.

The ACC tried before they added Va Tech and BC but they were denied the right so that's why they added the extra teams.

You act like the SEC gets punished for having a title game. I guess you're forgettting that it was the SEC that started the trend back in 1992.

At the time an undefeated Alabama team could've lost to a UF team w/ at least 1 loss and would've been denied a chance to play Miami and win the Nat'l Title.

That was years before the BCS so you can't blame the NCAA if a third place SEC West team beats an undefeated team from the East and vice versa because it was the SEC that came up with the idea.

No, you missed my point entirely.

The reason I brought up the Conference Championship games, was because by the NCAA allowing these additional games, they went against any argument they had against a playoff. Mainly, that:

1. They said a playoff would add any more additional weeks of play.
2. They didn't want teams practicing or playing during exams.
3. They also have said that they didn't want to diminish the importance of the regular season.
4. They say they want to keep college football a "one semester sport".

Before the conference championships (pre 1992), they only played an 11 game schedule with 1 off week.

1. Now, they allow 12 games, two off weeks, and an additional week for teams in Conf Champ games. So they went from 12 weeks to 15 weeks of play. But that is different than add'l weeks of playoff play... how?

2. Instead of say, 16 teams continuing to practice and play into December / First week in January, there are now 68 teams in bowls. One big reason coaches want to go to a bowl game is for the additional practice time they get with the kids who will play the following year. The last week of the season is now December 6th. The first bowl game starts December 20th. Bowl teams practice throughout. How would a playoff add more time?

3. My point about a 3 loss team upsetting an undefeated team in a Conference Champ game is that IT IS A PLAYOFF!!! Call it what you want, but that's what it is! Each division champ gets an automatic bid to a one game PLAYOFF! It's already happenning people! With this, going undefeated in a 12 team conference doesn't matter. You could still be eliminated by an "undeserving team" in a one game PLAYOFF!

(Shit, you're turning me into Jim Mora here. PLAYOFF?)

4. They had no problem adding another game to the schedule, and have no problem adding bowl games. The season is now (this year) from August 30 through January 8. Practice starts first of August. Spring practices run for over a month (Time varies by school / region). Is that one semester?

I'm still waiting for a valid reason against it.

And yes, the fact that some conferences have a championship game, and others don't, is yet another reason that you can't compare them on paper, or have people vote on their favorite. The only way to know is to have them play the games.

And, NO, I'm not knocking the championship games, or complaining that the SEC has one and others don't. It ensures that you don't end up with two teams with the same record, playing different conference teams, ending up tied.

I know that it's happened in the Big 10 before. I remember teams going to the Rose Bowl based on who had gone the longest without a trip.

If Wisconsin and Ohio State end up with one conference loss, but they didn't play each other "heads-up"... then the team that had more recently been to the Rose Bowl was left out, and the team that hadn't been was the conference representative.

Seems like it might have happened the same way in the SEC about who went to the Sugar Bowl.

If winning your conference actually means something (BCS game, or playoff berth) then I'd rather be in a conference with a championship game than lose out on a flip of a coin or some shit.

[Freakshow]

some of the hardest academic schools actually go pretty easy on their athletes, Notre Dame, Cal, UNC, and Duke to name ones I know about.

http://live.psu.edu/story/21350

[Thebazile78]

But every school is more lenient with their athletes than the general college students. So even if the school bolsters that it is academics first, they don't always mean that student athletes are included in that.

I understand that.

It's what Terry Shea was counting on when he recruited his bruisers from 1995 through 2000, but he was sorely disappointed. When a large percentage of your football team is given an academic red-shirt, you kind of realize you're playing in the wrong sandbox. Even without a losing record, I think he'd have been on his way out!

Yes, they have special sections at RU designated as "Athletics" sections for kids on sports teams. There's a HUGE support network for the football team (one of my friends from my job worked as a tutor for the football team ... in ADDITION to her hours at the job we both worked) ... however, despite all this, I know that some of the potential, local recruits during the Shea years didn't consider RU because of its tough academic reputation. (Even for its athletes.)

However, things have changed in the 8 years since I graduated. Standards are still in flux with the overhaul of undergraduate education that's been happening over the past 2 years. It's interesting, to say the least.

But, the bottom line is, RU has tried very hard to promote itself as a "public Ivy" to both its non-athletes and its athletes. I'm not saying that this is successful and I'm not saying that the kids on the football and cheerleading teams (because I met some dumnb cheerleaders while I was a student) are exactly the best students in the world without the extra help that they get.

What I am saying is past RU football teams have been held to a somewhat higher standard than other, comparable programs. We'll see how that shakes down.

[Snoogans]

I understand that.

It's what Terry Shea was counting on when he recruited his bruisers from 1995 through 2000, but he was sorely disappointed. When a large percentage of your football team is given an academic red-shirt, you kind of realize you're playing in the wrong sandbox. Even without a losing record, I think he'd have been on his way out!

Yes, they have special sections at RU designated as "Athletics" sections for kids on sports teams. There's a HUGE support network for the football team (one of my friends from my job worked as a tutor for the football team ... in ADDITION to her hours at the job we both worked) ... however, despite all this, I know that some of the potential, local recruits during the Shea years didn't consider RU because of its tough academic reputation. (Even for its athletes.)

However, things have changed in the 8 years since I graduated. Standards are still in flux with the overhaul of undergraduate education that's been happening over the past 2 years. It's interesting, to say the least.

But, the bottom line is, RU has tried very hard to promote itself as a "public Ivy" to both its non-athletes and its athletes. I'm not saying that this is successful and I'm not saying that the kids on the football and cheerleading teams (because I met some dumnb cheerleaders while I was a student) are exactly the best students in the world without the extra help that they get.

What I am saying is past RU football teams have been held to a somewhat higher standard than other, comparable programs. We'll see how that shakes down.

Schiano is attempting to still do that, while pulling kids. At least on paper. Who knows how much "help" the players have gotten lately to keep them so highly rated academically

[JimBeam]

I do think that the BCS conferences should have to have a league title game and I alos believe that if you lose that game you CAN NOT ever be selected to a BCS bowl ( like Oklahoma a few years ago ).

If they don't to do away with the 12 team rule then make the winners of the PAC10 and Big 10 play each other the Saturday of the other title games.

This gives you a version of the Rose Bowl and also narrows down the BCS title game eligible teams ( if either is in the running ).

You could've also made the ACC and Big East play but now the ACC added a title game.

[PhishHead]

http://live.psu.edu/story/21350

again this does not tell you much except they have a high graduation rate, it does not show you the real stuff that happens behind the scenes, either athletes taking easier classes than everyone else or professors grading them softly.

There is alot more behind graduation rates than just the statistics.

Some schools even go softer on kids in certain majors it happens at every major college.

[Thebazile78]

Schiano is attempting to still do that, while pulling kids. At least on paper. Who knows how much "help" the players have gotten lately to keep them so highly rated academically

They don't do that at RU. There's too much scrutiny of the sports teams because we're so close to a major market ... and, also, the Scarlet R Club would pull some MASSIVE funding away from the team if it came out. Help comes in the form of additional tutoring and scheduling different sections of classes (etc.) but not "help."

Other schools, yes, that's absolutely true. Just look at the listed majors for their best players. Sometimes, the course of study looks as if it were made up just to put something into the graphic.

[Snoogans]

They don't do that at RU. There's too much scrutiny of the sports teams because we're so close to a major market ... and, also, the Scarlet R Club would pull some MASSIVE funding away from the team if it came out. Help comes in the form of additional tutoring and scheduling different sections of classes (etc.) but not "help."

Other schools, yes, that's absolutely true. Just look at the listed majors for their best players. Sometimes, the course of study looks as if it were made up just to put something into the graphic.

yea but that could be part of "help". Even if you are doing the work yourself, you could be taking so fluff classes and by rules, everything is above board. It also has tons to do with all the NCAA nonsense bylaws and insane rules for shit. some things that seem like they are fine, and for the most part are, could be bending NCAA rules, and sometimes the schools wont even know that.

[Thebazile78]

again this does not tell you much except they have a high graduation rate, it does not show you the real stuff that happens behind the scenes, either athletes taking easier classes than everyone else or professors grading them softly.

There is alot more behind graduation rates than just the statistics.

Some schools even go softer on kids in certain majors it happens at every major college.

No professor does that at Rutgers. I saw this in action on one occasion when I had class with a girl who was on the basketball team.

A lot of the faculty joined the aforementioned Bill Dowling when he formed Rutgers 1000 back in the '90s. If anything, they're tougher on athletes. Especially football players.

[PhishHead]

No professor does that at Rutgers. I saw this in action on one occasion when I had class with a girl who was on the basketball team.

A lot of the faculty joined the aforementioned Bill Dowling when he formed Rutgers 1000 back in the '90s. If anything, they're tougher on athletes. Especially football players.

Okay sorry but how can you be so sure of this? If you have intimate dealings with the school/professors then I understand, but I mean you have no idea what happens behind the scenes. Press releases and media gatherings are one thing, behind the scenes are another.

I have experienced this first hand with majority of my friends who have played sports at big time schools.

[Snoogans]

No professor does that at Rutgers. I saw this in action on one occasion when I had class with a girl who was on the basketball team.

A lot of the faculty joined the aforementioned Bill Dowling when he formed Rutgers 1000 back in the '90s. If anything, they're tougher on athletes. Especially football players.

I will say also, things change. They may have changed it now that they are making a ton more money off football. And coaches do stupid things for stupid reasons sometimes.

Nobody expected Sampson, after he was fired for breaking rules, to go to Indiana and BREAK THE SAME RULES plus violate the previous sactions. People do fucked up things sometimes

[Freakshow]

again this does not tell you much except they have a high graduation rate, it does not show you the real stuff that happens behind the scenes, either athletes taking easier classes than everyone else or professors grading them softly.

There is alot more behind graduation rates than just the statistics.

Some schools even go softer on kids in certain majors it happens at every major college.

well, your mind is made up and there is nothing I can say or post that will change it. But I had a statistics course while at PSU and there was a reserve TE/LB who was also in this class of 300 - 400 students. He was in class more than I was, because there was a not a single time that I was in that class and he wasn't (and I missed a few, i'm pretty sure he did not).

Just another ancedotal piece is Joe Jurevicius (of the Super Bowl Champion Tampa Bay Buccanners) was suspended from the team for the bowl game his senior year because he wasn't doing all he could in the class room. He wasn't failing, he wasn't academically inelgible. Here is the quote from the student newspaper:


Jurevicius, who had been suspended at other times earlier in his career for cutting classes, was suspended from the bowl game by Paterno for a poor academic showing. As a fifth-year senior, Jurevicius had his finest season on the field with 10 touchdown grabs and a yards-per-catch average of more than 20.

Paterno said Jurevicius "went to class, he just didn't do anything."


"So we're gonna have some academic problems unless kids really understand that they've gotta go to class and they've gotta do things," Paterno said Jan. 2. "And I'm not about to be a guy that's gonna kind of look beyond or cut corners on this."

[PhishHead]

well, your mind is made up and there is nothing I can say or post that will change it. But I had a statistics course while at PSU and there was a reserve TE/LB who was also in this class of 300 - 400 students. He was in class more than I was, because there was a not a single time that I was in that class and he wasn't (and I missed a few, i'm pretty sure he did not).

Just another ancedotal piece is Joe Jurevicius (of the Super Bowl Champion Tampa Bay Buccanners) was suspended from the team for the bowl game his senior year because he wasn't doing all he could in the class room. He wasn't failing, he wasn't academically inelgible. Here is the quote from the student newspaper:

I am not doubting you, all I am saying is that those stats of graduation rates are just that graduation rates, it does not give you the whole story, and every school is different under every adminstration/coaching staff, obviously penn state has had the same coaching staff for many years so it may be different.

[Snoogans]

well, your mind is made up and there is nothing I can say or post that will change it. But I had a statistics course while at PSU and there was a reserve TE/LB who was also in this class of 300 - 400 students. He was in class more than I was, because there was a not a single time that I was in that class and he wasn't (and I missed a few, i'm pretty sure he did not).

Just another ancedotal piece is Joe Jurevicius (of the Super Bowl Champion Tampa Bay Buccanners) was suspended from the team for the bowl game his senior year because he wasn't doing all he could in the class room. He wasn't failing, he wasn't academically inelgible. Here is the quote from the student newspaper:

im with you on this freakshow in that obviously there are exceptions. But, for the most part, schools are easier on student athletes, and not necc meaning how they shouldnt be. During the time I was at William Paterson, which is division 3, a kid in my class played basketball. For D3, Willy P has a good basketball team. Anyway, a few times that he didnt want to go, he would just tell the teacher he had a team meeting or practice. Because at Willy P, if you play a sport and have a team thing conflict with a class, you are excused from class without penalty. No matter who or what sport.

Now if the teacher followed up to make sure he had practice, he woulda got in trouble. But other times, they legitimately had practice and meanings, and I know kids who scheduled classes so they would always conflict with sports and they wouldnt have to go. They still had to do ALL the same work as other students, but they didnt have to be there

[Freakshow]

I am not doubting you, all I am saying is that those stats of graduation rates are just that graduation rates, it does not give you the whole story, and every school is different under every adminstration/coaching staff, obviously penn state has had the same coaching staff for many years so it may be different.

But would you differentiate the same way for non-athletes who cut every corner in order to get their degree? There was a place called Nittany Notes where you could buy a semester of notes for almost any class, and use that to take tests, write papers, etc... I never used it once (I could have actually gotten paid for my notes because my GPA was high enough--shameless brag) but my degree pretty much counts the same as someone who used it every semester because they wanted extra sleep or some shit.

And another thought--a team that was just concerned with getting players elgible enough to play sports would probably not give the slightest care about whether those players graduate eventually. Huggins' basketball teams comes to mind (I believe he has a stretch of 0% graduation rate for a while). Just get the player elgible in the fall semester so he can play, and then he doesn't have to go to a single class in the spring. You're not going to graduate in the five or six years you are alloted to count in those graduation statistics.

[Snoogans]

Just based on the fact that Penn State was the basis for this arguement, this shit is hilarious:

2 Penn State players arrested for possession (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3593775)

[Freakshow]

Just based on the fact that Penn State was the basis for this arguement, this shit is hilarious:

2 Penn State players arrested for possession (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3593775)

they've already been suspended for the past two games.

[Fezticle98]

Ahh, the ole academics vs. athletics debate...never gets old.

Speaking of which, I'm excited for Florida State to start their season against Wake Forest this weekend. Could be a good game. Time to face some real competition and see if any improvement has been made since last season.

FSU is getting back a couple of fools that were suspended for academics or drug/gun possession. They should get the rest of the fools back next week.

[SP1!]

This should be the weekend for great games, but USCs only tough game is over so they should coast to the NC game, cupcakes the rest of the way for them. Congrats you earned it of course, playing in the tough PACcake 10

[led37zep]

This should be the weekend for great games, but USCs only tough game is over so they should coast to the NC game, cupcakes the rest of the way for them. Congrats you earned it of course, playing in the tough PACcake 10

Oct 4th will be an upset my friend.


(um...ok, not really, but I can hope)

[Snoogans]

Oct 4th will be an upset my friend.


(um...ok, not really, but I can hope)

im right there with you man. Fuck USC. Im glad Herbstreet dodges Pete Carroll's phone calls. Pete Carroll was the best when he coached the jets

[TheGameHHH]

Maybe WVU will show up tonight

[Tenbatsuzen]

Maybe WVU will show up tonight

As it's now 13-0, maybe not.

What the fuck? Seriously?

[SP1!]

As it's now 13-0, maybe not.

What the fuck? Seriously?

Its almost time to kick out the big east and ACC to get decent conferences in as BCS schools.

[razorboy]

This is off of the current discussion at hand, but while he hasn't been great so far this season (and that might actually be a good thing as he might fall into the second or third round), but I still think that the QB with the best pro skill set is Curtis Painter. Great size, great arm, very good accuracy but most importantly (at least for me) he has one of the quickest releases I have ever seen. I maintain that he will be an EXCEPTIONAL pro QB.

[Freitag]

I'm going to nickname the AD of WVU "GOB", because, Michael, he's made a huge mistake.



There is absolutely no reason that game should have gone into overtime. The flashes of brilliance that were displayed by WVU in the Fiesta Bowl aren't there. This is a sloppy team that is playing ultra conservative offense and you cannot do that with Pat White and Noel Devine in your backfield.

I'm serious; some of the play calling I saw last night was straight out of Herm Edward's playbook in 2005.

I'm sure Bill Stewart is a great people person. And he's a great motivator. But I don't think he's a great football mind right now. I'm beginning to think that the Fiesta Bowl win was primarily rage from DickRod leaving and Oklahoma being woefully underprepared.

A lot of people called this happened when Stew was given the job. He got a six year deal; at this point, I'll be surprised if he stays 2. If Holtz is still available after this season, he may be in line.

[PhishHead]

I'm going to nickname the AD of WVU "GOB", because, Michael, he's made a huge mistake.



There is absolutely no reason that game should have gone into overtime. The flashes of brilliance that were displayed by WVU in the Fiesta Bowl aren't there. This is a sloppy team that is playing ultra conservative offense and you cannot do that with Pat White and Noel Devine in your backfield.

I'm serious; some of the play calling I saw last night was straight out of Herm Edward's playbook in 2005.

I'm sure Bill Stewart is a great people person. And he's a great motivator. But I don't think he's a great football mind right now. I'm beginning to think that the Fiesta Bowl win was primarily rage from DickRod leaving and Oklahoma being woefully underprepared.

A lot of people called this happened when Stew was given the job. He got a six year deal; at this point, I'll be surprised if he stays 2. If Holtz is still available after this season, he may be in line.

There has already been talk at ND that if Weis doesn't produce results this year they will go after Skip.

[SP1!]

Well even though the weekend started off slow, this looks to be one of the best weeks of the year for match ups.

Here's to hoping UGA kicks the shit out of Arizona state saturday night.

[JimBeam]

I saw that this is the first non-conference game for UGA west of the Mississippi since 1960.

Intriguing matchup.

I don't know much about ASU but it should be a good game.

[El Mudo]

The Maryland game is a dud (Eastern Michigan's coming to town)...then again....the last time i thought we played a jobber....ugh


Fired up for the LSU/Auburn game...on The Plains

[Thebazile78]

Okay sorry but how can you be so sure of this? If you have intimate dealings with the school/professors then I understand, but I mean you have no idea what happens behind the scenes. Press releases and media gatherings are one thing, behind the scenes are another.

I have experienced this first hand with majority of my friends who have played sports at big time schools.

Understood. I don't deny it. Anything I have said is 100% my experience. From 8-12 years ago.

I have friends and contacts who work in the Athletics department currently. They've filtered info to me. I am sure I know/work with someone from the alumni association who is involved with the administration of the Scarlet R funds.

I have my connections and do volunteer frequently with the alumni association. Also, it's not hard to get grraduation rates and other statistics ... the University publishes all of that online and it eventually goes into the state public records. (It used to be printed as the Rutgers Fact Book, but I am pretty sure that they've stopped doing it as a spiral-bound paper thingie and only publish it online.)

I will say also, things change. They may have changed it now that they are making a ton more money off football. And coaches do stupid things for stupid reasons sometimes.

Nobody expected Sampson, after he was fired for breaking rules, to go to Indiana and BREAK THE SAME RULES plus violate the previous sactions. People do fucked up things sometimes

Schiano takes academics more seriously than Shea I think because Schiano wanted to be a pro player and didn't make it. He knows first-hand the value of getting an education.

So does Shaun O'Hara, who is currently playing pro for the Giants. He was quoted in a recent interview that he really appreciated the effort that goes into earning your Bachelor's at Rutgers.

Brian Leonard, who is currently on the St. Louis Rams, earned an award often called the "academic Heisman" ... and he had a serious major. (I think it was at the School of Business, but I would have to see an old program to say this with any degree of confidence.)

I would have to take a long look at the majors listed for today's team to do a comparison, but I can say, yes, things ARE changing. There are things that RU is doing in general that make no sense whatsoever ... and lots of alumni are PISSED about the changes. (Just ask the Associated Alumnae of Douglass College...if you can deal with them.)

[ozzie]

I was psyched about the Georgia game when the schedule first came out, but after they lost to UNLV... not so much. The dawgs are still only a touchdown favorite or so.

I'm nervous as hell about the LSU game. I can only hope that AU's conservative play calling was intentional, and they've saved some packages for this game. This will be the first road game for LSU's new quarterback(s), and Jordan-Hare can get loud at night.

The last two games at AU were very low scoring (10 - 9 in '04, 7 - 3 in '06), and so far this year both defenses have been very tough. Both have punt / kick returners that can change the game at any time (Trindon Holliday for LSU is touted as the fastest in college football), and this game could very well come down to special teams.

The home team has won the last 8 meetings, and six of those years this game has decided the SEC West champ. Here's hoping that trend continues tomorrow night.

I guess I'll have to tivo Florida State vs Wake and/or the Georgia game. One receiver has to be free to be recording AU. I use the hell out of the pause and rewind buttons while watching a game. I can't take any calls during the game because at any given time I might be 30 minutes to an hour behind the live action.

[toolshed]

Florida State v. Wake will be a great game. The seminoles offense is better than it has been since the Chris Weinke era. Its about time.

[Snoogans]

Florida State v. Wake will be a great game. The seminoles offense is better than it has been since the Chris Weinke era. Its about time.

do they have another 35 year old QB?

[toolshed]

The term is "mature." And no, they have a 20 year old working on his masters, and a tailback that they are calling a QB.

[Snoogans]

i know, man, i was just making fun of Weinke being old

[ozzie]

When someone other than Weatherford was name the starter, there was much rejoicing around here from FSU fans.

[toolshed]

i know, man, i was just making fun of Weinke being old

i got ya. he certainly was, and had a fantastic receding hairline to boot. i was in high school in tallahassee when he was there, saw him out about town on occasion. if you saw him in the street, you would never guess he was an athlete.

[Snoogans]

i got ya. he certainly was, and had a fantastic receding hairline to boot. i was in high school in tallahassee when he was there, saw him out about town on occasion. if you saw him in the street, you would never guess he was an athlete.

i saw him on the field and didnt think he was an athlete

[toolshed]

When someone other than Weatherford was name the starter, there was much rejoicing around here from FSU fans.

Same here. I know Drew casually, he is a nice guy, but he wasn't the right choice as a starter. I'll take either one of the guys they have now.

Oddly enough though, Weatherford will still have a ton of the FSU QB records when he leaves. He has great stats, just couldn't win games.

[toolshed]

i saw him on the field and didnt think he was an athlete

:lol::lol:

Give him a break. Osteoporosis can be devastating to seniors.

[SP1!]

I saw that this is the first non-conference game for UGA west of the Mississippi since 1960.

Intriguing matchup.

I don't know much about ASU but it should be a good game.

Yeah other than USC is there a really a reason to talk about college football out west? They should change their conference name to the PAC-1.

[cougarjake13]

Yeah other than USC is there a really a reason to talk about college football out west? They should change their conference name to the PAC-1.

i heard no less then 5 sports talk radio hacks call it that today

[Snoogans]

the only team, it appears, right now in the Pac 10 that has a chance to do anything aside from USC is Oregon. The rest of them just look like jokes. Oregon still could go either way, and USC still could flop one week like they are known. Dont go giving them any trophies yet.

[ozzie]

the only team, it appears, right now in the Pac 10 that has a chance to do anything aside from USC is Oregon. The rest of them just look like jokes. Oregon still could go either way, and USC still could flop one week like they are known. Dont go giving them any trophies yet.

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[led37zep]

the only team, it appears, right now in the Pac 10 that has a chance to do anything aside from USC is Oregon. The rest of them just look like jokes. Oregon still could go either way, and USC still could flop one week like they are known. Dont go giving them any trophies yet.


I love you.

[Snoogans]

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AND HE GOT BOTH FEET IN. THATS A FUCKIN CATCH
Seriously though, every year it seems, USC just chokes one.

I love you.

No fluff in that shit man. Oregon is good. They arent great, but they are good, even with 19 fuckin QB's playing. If anyone can bet them, its Oregon, from the Pac 10. But knowing USC, watch that ND game close. You know ND will be fired up, and you KNOW USC has to look past some opponent. And man if they do go 12-0 and play for the title, even if they are playing fuckin Temple, bet hard against them

[led37zep]

AND HE GOT BOTH FEET IN. THATS A FUCKIN CATCH
Seriously though, every year it seems, USC just chokes one.



No fluff in that shit man. Oregon is good. They arent great, but they are good, even with 19 fuckin QB's playing. If anyone can bet them, its Oregon, from the Pac 10. But knowing USC, watch that ND game close. You know ND will be fired up, and you KNOW USC has to look past some opponent. And man if they do go 12-0 and play for the title, even if they are playing fuckin Temple, bet hard against them

My real concern is that we don't know who our QB will be for USC and we're playing them at their home. Autzen stadium has a way of leveling the playing field but with a untested QB, and an Away game have me pretty unsure the Ducks can pull that game out. I'll still be at the game tho...shitty seats and all. (I hate that stadium)

The rest of the season I think you're right. The Ducks have a really good chance to sit back and be prepped to win the Pac-10 should USC fall apart. Purdue was a fluke game and we were just off our mark. We're good team and I think that's going to show through for the rest of the season. Our Defense is solid, we just need to figure out this QB thing till Roper comes back.

[Snoogans]

My real concern is that we don't know who our QB will be for USC and we're playing them at their home. Autzen stadium has a way of leveling the playing field but with a untested QB, and an Away game have me pretty unsure the Ducks can pull that game out. I'll still be at the game tho...shitty seats and all. (I hate that stadium)

The rest of the season I think you're right. The Ducks have a really good chance to sit back and be prepped to win the Pac-10 should USC fall apart. Purdue was a fluke game and we were just off our mark. We're good team and I think that's going to show through for the rest of the season. Our Defense is solid, we just need to figure out this QB thing till Roper comes back.

How long is Roper out? the couple games I watched you were way better with him then the drives you went to that bum. I couldnt, for the life of me, figure out why, against washington, you kept rotatiing if there were no injuries.

Anyway, as evidenced in that clip against staford, EVERY team gets fired up to play USC. What better way to end a season where you may even be 0-11 then to beat the motherfuckin best team. Even in pro sports, there is something to playing spoiler. Something, and being where I went to HS I know, about being completely out of anything, but still being able to fuck someone else's season that really does get you pumped to play the better teams.

For some reason, every week I am afraid to touch USC games cause I just dont know if this is THAT week. Same with Ohio State, Ohlahoma, and oddly lately, EVERY team in the SEC, just cause of who they have to play almost every week

[ozzie]

Happy Birthday El Mudo!

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Wish Maryland had a better game scheduled for this day, but enjoy it anyway!

[Snoogans]

I said talk college football, not the awfull ACC. Thats like saying talk NFL and you bringing up the Rams.

Its bad enough I have to follow the Big East, why torture me?

[TheGameHHH]

Jimmy Claussen loves getting sacked.

[TNABuffalo]

and throwing beauty TD's as well

[TheGameHHH]

and throwing beauty TD's as well

that was so not a beauty TD, it was a great catch on a typical fade ball. the only pass he throws for more then 10 yards is the fade and thats gay cause a 9 year old retarded girl can throw a decent fade ball.

[SP1!]

i heard no less then 5 sports talk radio hacks call it that today
Its not hack if its true................

I love you.
Yeah, except oregon is proving it today that the PAC-1 is just USC and a conference filled out with crappy teams.

[cougarjake13]

Its not hack if its true................


Yeah, except oregon is proving it today that the PAC-1 is just USC and a conference filled out with crappy teams.



oh yeh its true but the talk show guys are hacks

[Philly Franko]

who can beat em... Illinois ? maybe USC in a bowl game...Love Fla St...Bobby Bowden is 78 or 76 years young and still gets team Fired up/ prepared to play each week... Sorry Fez about them Losers Notre Dame...ND Stands for NO Defense...Haha haha....

[TNABuffalo]

that was so not a beauty TD, it was a great catch on a typical fade ball. the only pass he throws for more then 10 yards is the fade and thats gay cause a 9 year old retarded girl can throw a decent fade ball.

Ahh well at least UB gave a good showing against Mizz

[Epschtein]

auburn vs lsu has been great so far, one of my favorote rivalries.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Schiano sounds like a broken man.

Maybe he can fix WVU.

[Snoogans]

Schiano sounds like a broken man.

Maybe he can fix WVU.

FUCK HIM


And once again, a BIG fuck you to Mike Teel. Seriously, Mike? Is it a rule in your scholarship that you have to throw at least 1 key INT per game? WHAT THE FUCK


Im gettin BLASTED tonight

[ElBoberino]

the ASU v Georgia game would be better if the ASU coach would pass the ball ever. He loves the goddam running plays that go nowhere. Also, the ASU marching band played Ecxtasy of Gold at halftime, it ruled.

[Jughead]

Ball State just whooped Indiana There defense is pitiful!!!

[Snoogans]

TAKE THAT SHIT BOWDEN. Fuckin frauds, beating 2 nonsense teams and everyone acts like they are the shit. Everyone, except SNOOGANS, who won his MONEYLINE BET ON WAKE FORREST. DEMON DEACS BITCH


and this auburn LSU game is fuckin good man.

[disneyspy]

this LSU/AUBURN game is fantastic!

[Snoogans]

Also, Id like to give a nice appreciation mention to VANDY. FUCK YEA. I was ballsy/gutsy/BRILLIANT enough to lay 100 on the +225 moneyline for Vandy to win.


THANK YOU FELLAS

[Snoogans]

oh and sorry led zep. That oregon game was rough. If anything, i think it makes a better chance that USC looks past you and flops.

Id feel worse for you but, ya know, I'm a Rutgers guy. So, fuck all ya'll .Mike Teel is currently breaking me

[SP1!]

FUCK HIM


And once again, a BIG fuck you to Mike Teel. Seriously, Mike? Is it a rule in your scholarship that you have to throw at least 1 key INT per game? WHAT THE FUCK


Im gettin BLASTED tonight

Wasnt everyone sucking Schiano's dick last year begging him not to go to miami? My how quickly things change.

We all knew LSU would win and that the PAC 1 was not really much of a conference past USC. Now everyone gets to sit back and watch Oklahoma fuck up again and ruin their coast to the NC game.

[Snoogans]

Wasnt everyone sucking Schiano's dick last year begging him not to go to miami? My how quickly things change.

We all knew LSU would win and that the PAC 1 was not really much of a conference past USC. Now everyone gets to sit back and watch Oklahoma fuck up again and ruin their coast to the NC game.

Man, the 2 "best teams" in the country are known to choke. What a fun year so far, and possibly to come

And seriously, Schiano looks lost. I dont know what happened. And it was Michigan last year, Miami the year before. But yea, he looks lost, AND MIKE TEEL EATS A FAT DICK

[pennington]

And seriously, Schiano looks lost. I dont know what happened. And it was Michigan last year, Miami the year before. But yea, he looks lost, AND MIKE TEEL EATS A FAT DICK
Channel 2 was originally supposed to broadcast this as a regional game but wisely substituted the Florida-Tennessee game. I watched the CBS College Sports feed on the Internet. As you said last week, Teel looks directly at his receiver, thus all the interceptions.

Schiano has no one to blame but himself for Teel. He should have been developing Teel's replacement last year when Teel hurt his thumb, but he had Rice to rely on. Before that he was relying on Brian Leonard too much.

Everybody loves Teel. He's the leader, he knows the offense, he works harder than anyone else, he's very dedicated, yada yada. Maybe some day he'll make a good defensive coordinator somewhere. He needs to sit out the next few starts; they've got another guy besides Lovelace (I forget his name) who they can start developing. Might as well start rebuilding for next year.

[SP1!]

Rutgers lost to NAVY, fucking NAVY? Well, their new coach is now at GT to scare the fuck out of the ACC.

Cant believe they lost to navy, just amazing.


Great games last night Auburn/LSU was a classic and UGA proved the PAC 1 really is a joke, since the game wasnt even as close as the score leads you to believe.

[Snoogans]

Channel 2 was originally supposed to broadcast this as a regional game but wisely substituted the Florida-Tennessee game. I watched the CBS College Sports feed on the Internet. As you said last week, Teel looks directly at his receiver, thus all the interceptions.

Schiano has no one to blame but himself for Teel. He should have been developing Teel's replacement last year when Teel hurt his thumb, but he had Rice to rely on. Before that he was relying on Brian Leonard too much.

Everybody loves Teel. He's the leader, he knows the offense, he works harder than anyone else, he's very dedicated, yada yada. Maybe some day he'll make a good defensive coordinator somewhere. He needs to sit out the next few starts; they've got another guy besides Lovelace (I forget his name) who they can start developing. Might as well start rebuilding for next year.

DC Jefferson. 6'5 240 and a fuckin GUN

[Snoogans]

Rutgers lost to NAVY, fucking NAVY? Well, their new coach is now at GT to scare the fuck out of the ACC.

Cant believe they lost to navy, just amazing.


Great games last night Auburn/LSU was a classic and UGA proved the PAC 1 really is a joke, since the game wasnt even as close as the score leads you to believe.

Yea it does suck, but it's not like Navy is a joke. Johnson had them pretty good before he wnet to Georgia Tech, and alot of those guys are still there, running the same offense with an assistant. Still, there is no excuse to lose that game, esp how it played out. Too many mistakes and too much Mike Teel

[El Mudo]

I miss Kaipoa Noa Kaheaku-Enhada...Navy hasn't been the same since he left

Please keep sleeping on the Terps in the ACC...i'm begging you

[epo]

Yea it does suck, but it's not like Navy is a joke. Johnson had them pretty good before he wnet to Georgia Tech, and alot of those guys are still there, running the same offense with an assistant. Still, there is no excuse to lose that game, esp how it played out. Too many mistakes and too much Mike Teel

Just admit it...Rutgers is a joke.

[Thebazile78]

OK, reading the recaps after listening to part of the 3rd quarter (seeing as how we don't get CBS-C, which was the channel posted on the pocket schedule that I picked up at the RU bookstore on September 7th and not CBS) I now feel able to post that Rutgers again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

I've been here before and I am not surprised. Teel has been playing horrifically.

And I hate it when they use Jabu. It makes me crazy.

He's just not gonna be Michael Vick no matter how hard he wishes he will be.