2008 College Football Discussion Thread

[Tenbatsuzen]

Any word on the kid who got hurt?

And this is it, right? BCS CHampionship is tomorrow?

[disneyspy]

no word on the kid
and i think the champ is on the 8th

[SP1!]

I'm really tired of this "they didn't play anybody" arguement. They can't control who they play in conference.

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Yes they won, they also beat an over rated team but I still believe if bama didnt get the smack in the face the first quarter they win the game.

My main bitch is the fact that they didnt play enough high caliber teams to beat them up during the season, that is the biggest bitch I have against most of these smaller school teams.

That being said, I love that bama got beat, fuck them

[KnoxHarrington]

Yes they won, they also beat an over rated team but I still believe if bama didnt get the smack in the face the first quarter they win the game.

My main bitch is the fact that they didnt play enough high caliber teams to beat them up during the season, that is the biggest bitch I have against most of these smaller school teams.

That being said, I love that bama got beat, fuck them

Let's see if the AP has the balls to give Utah the #1 ranking. God, I hope so.

Here's the other thing about the bowl system that pisses me off: a quick check reveals that the last time Ohio State played was 11/22. Texas last played 11/27. So neither team has played in 5 weeks. How is this a fair, accurate test of these teams against each other? Shit, that week that they stick in between the conference championships and the Super Bowl hurts the Super Bowl. 5 weeks is just dumb.

[ozzie]

Yes they won, they also beat an over rated team but I still believe if bama didnt get the smack in the face the first quarter they win the game.

My main bitch is the fact that they didnt play enough high caliber teams to beat them up during the season, that is the biggest bitch I have against most of these smaller school teams.

That being said, I love that bama got beat, fuck them

Actually, the Ov Er Ra Ted comment was directed towards Texas and the Big 12.

I really didn't have any bitch about Bama's ranking all year. While they were #1, they had done enough on the field to deserve it, and if they had beaten Florida, would have been deserving to play for the title.

TOUCHDOWN OSU!!!

2 pt conversion.....






(c'mon Pryor...)



SHIT!

[PhilDeez]

Another fix in the bag for OSU?
My god what a crock of shit call on the pass int.

[ozzie]

Yes they won, they also beat an over rated team but I still believe if bama didnt get the smack in the face the first quarter they win the game.

My main bitch is the fact that they didnt play enough high caliber teams to beat them up during the season, that is the biggest bitch I have against most of these smaller school teams.

That being said, I love that bama got beat, fuck them

Oh, and just like I reminded the Bammers down here since the game Friday night...

...Bama scored ONE offensive touchdown.

One.

This isn't like when Boise pulled out all the offensive tricks and outscored Oklahoma.

One Offensive Touchdown.

That's no fluke.

Early in the third, they only trailed 21 - 17, so they can't use the excuse that they had to abandon their "game plan" and start trying to throw it or play hurry up / catch up.

They got whooped.

I'm the first to say that their offensive game plan was stupid from the start. All year Bama has run AT the defensive strengths of their opponents, and had flawless blocking schemes and execution. With their size advantage, there was no reason to abandon this style for this game against this opponent.

They did. Nothing worked. They lost.

The End.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Oh look its a bucket of gatorade ..... again

[toolshed]

Texas wins...let the playoff system chat re-commence

[weekapaugjz]

i am so glad ohio state blew that shit. priceless.

[Knowledged_one]

i am so glad ohio state blew that shit. priceless.

you and me both i fucking hate ohio state even more now i live in this shitty state

[underdog]

ESPN currently has :

Ohio State: 5-2 all-time in BCS bowls
Texas: first loss in last 5 bowl games

Whoops. Guess someone should actually watch the games.

[ozzie]

you and me both i fucking hate ohio state even more now i live in this shitty state

Yeah, I lived in that shitty state for over six years, and despised OSU every minute of it.

I don't have any love for the Buckeyes, I was just rooting for further proof of the "average-ness" of the Big 12 conference this year.

And, no, you won't hear me arguing for the Longhorn's "right" to play for the title this year. Not based on this win over OSU.

Now, if they had beaten a team like Utah on the other hand....

[AngelAmy]

i kinda just had the game on in the background but that last texas touchdown got me really excited.

[Knowledged_one]

i kinda just had the game on in the background but that last texas touchdown got me really excited.

so that was the excited sounds i heard out here in ohio
your excitement goes a long way

[AngelAmy]

when he broke through i threw my arms up in the air and screamed "oh my god he's going to score!"


imagine if i was actually a longhorns fan

[JimBeam]

Another fix in the bag for OSU?
My god what a crock of shit call on the pass int.

I didn't see anything after the 1st half.

What happened in the situation you're referencing ?

Bad call against Oh St or in their favor ?

...OSU has no offense at all, pryor is way fucking over rated.

I know the kid is young but I saw him run out of bounds at least 3 times way early.

The first one cost them because he had enough room to make the first down but instead they ended up 3rd and 2.

Another time he scrambled and had a huge gain but still stepped out 5 yards before any possible contact.

That's not gonna get it done.

[JimBeam]

Let's see if the AP has the balls to give Utah the #1 ranking. God, I hope so.

You're asking the AP to ignore the winner of the title game and to avoid the wins by both USC and Texas ?

It's not gonna happen, nor should it.

A blowout one way or the other in the title game won't lose the winning team any votes nor would a close win.

There will be no split title although you will have a few voters trying to make a point but it won't amount to anything.

[Coach_Mac]

I think that is pretty much obvious now, they are what about 300 yards off their average at this point in the game? Hell OSU has an average defense so this cant be excused away by being shut down by a top flight defense, the only thing that might save them is OSU has no offense at all, pryor is way fucking over rated.

Ohio State does have a good D and while I agree their Offense is not strong at all Pryor is an unbelievable athlete and will be VERY good. He might be a better reciever but in another 2 or 3 years we are going to be talking about him as one of the best in the country at whatever position he's playing.

And no, it's insane to say that it's obvious the Big 12 is overrated. Even if you think the SEC is better you can't have watched the Big 12 play all year and not see the talent that's in the league.

[JimBeam]

What I don't understand is how Oh St only threw the ball 25 times against a team that was ranked 110th in passing defense.

I know Pryor was missing his spots, only 5 for 14, but I'm pretty sure they said at the start of the game that he lead the Big 10 in Completion%.

[Coach_Mac]

Did anyone notice the ultimatum Boston College put on Jagasinki(sp)?
If he even interviews for the Jets opening, he is fired and will be replaced by the OC. To me that is horse crap.

Yea, that's really interesting. We were just talking about Marve at Miami and the consequences of him transfering. And how coaches don't have the same penalties. I agree that a coach shouldn't leave to go to another school if he is still under contract (and a school shouldn't fire him while he's under contract) but how can you restrict him from pursuing an NFL job? Now if he stays, what is he gonna think about his AD?

[JimBeam]

They were talking about this on Mike & Mike and on Rivlas this morning.

I believe John Clayton said that he made some kinda verbal agreement to stay w/ BC for a few years before he decided to pursue other interests. Clayton said that BC wasn't going to give him the job initially because he was young and didn't have much experience but that if he agreed to those terms that they would take a chance on him. I'm not sure if it's actually in writing in the contract but if not it was at least implied.

On Rivlas they brought up the analogy that if he was a terribke coach that last few years that BC would have no probelm w/ letting him go.

To me it's not the same.

He was their employee and nothing more.

They don't owe him the right to pursue other goals.

All they owe him is his paycheck and their support in running his program.

Sure they can fire him if he sucks because that's what you do, in any occupation, with people who don't perform to what you expect.

It's not a reciprocal relationship.

Say he was doing an adequate or great job and a top flight coach, say Urban Meyer, took interest in the job do you think it would be fair for BC to start talking to that coach while they have competent head coach ?

So then they fire this guy, even though he's done a good job, and hire Meyer.

Coached rarely get booted by their schools unless the prgram is in a rut but coaches constantly leave programs, usually lesser ones, to pursue other jobs.

Again how woud this guy feel if he didn't get the Jets job, returned to BC and then saw them constanlty interviewing people for his job ?

[Fezticle98]

On Rivlas they brought up the analogy that if he was a terribke coach that last few years that BC would have no probelm w/ letting him go.

To me it's not the same.

He was their employee and nothing more.

They don't owe him the right to pursue other goals.

All they owe him is his paycheck and their support in running his program.

Sure they can fire him if he sucks because that's what you do, in any occupation, with people who don't perform to what you expect.

It's not a reciprocal relationship.

Say he was doing an adequate or great job and a top flight coach, say Urban Meyer, took interest in the job do you think it would be fair for BC to start talking to that coach while they have competent head coach ?

So then they fire this guy, even though he's done a good job, and hire Meyer.

Coached rarely get booted by their schools unless the prgram is in a rut but coaches constantly leave programs, usually lesser ones, to pursue other jobs.

Again how woud this guy feel if he didn't get the Jets job, returned to BC and then saw them constanlty interviewing people for his job ?

#1, coaches at most programs have to win, early and often to keep their jobs. You are lucky to get more than 3 years to prove yourself at any program. Even coaches who win early, but take a step back are subject to firing. There is no loyalty from the school, so why should the coach have any toward them?

#2 You are right, the school owes him nothing else. Nor does he owe them anything else other than to run the program as effectively as possible when he is the coach. Each has the opportunity to part ways whenever they would like.

BC would probably jump at the chance to hire Urban Meyer if they could. It might be a bad PR move to throw the current coach under the bus, but they would do it in a second. Of course, Urban Meyer wouldn't leave UF for B.C., since it's a second rate program.

#3 Who does BC think they are? This guy can get a good job, even in the Jets don’t hire him. What is the point of their threat? To scare him into staying? They should have just let him interview. If you are happy with him as a coach, keep him. If not, can his ass. But don’t spite yourself by firing him because he interviews for a NFL head coaching job. You’re Boston College.

[JimBeam]

There is no loyalty from the school, so why should the coach have any toward them?

Because the school is paying him. It's not like he's doing it for free and then wants to stop doing it.

He's not doing volunteer work.

The school hired him when he was a nobody. That job could've gone to a hundred other guys yet those chose him and expect him to follow through.

Each has the opportunity to part ways whenever they would like.

Except that he has a contract. If you get fired because you suck then you deserve to get fired. Just like if you were an accountant and you kept screweing up the monthly reports you'd get fired.

You're acting as if they fire him that they don't have to pay him.

I think schools would love to be able to fire bad coaches w/out having to honor, financially, the rest of the contract.

This guy can get a good job

This guy isn't exactly Tom Landry.

You're talking about him as if he can get any job anywhere and apparently that's not the case if he's coaching at BC.

You’re Boston College.

Yes and you, until just recently, had the longest running bowl winning streak.

It's not like he's at Prairie View.

[SP1!]

Another fix in the bag for OSU?
My god what a crock of shit call on the pass int.
That was not a shit call last night

Oh, and just like I reminded the Bammers down here since the game Friday night...

...Bama scored ONE offensive touchdown.

One.

This isn't like when Boise pulled out all the offensive tricks and outscored Oklahoma.

One Offensive Touchdown.

That's no fluke.

Early in the third, they only trailed 21 - 17, so they can't use the excuse that they had to abandon their "game plan" and start trying to throw it or play hurry up / catch up.

They got whooped.

I'm the first to say that their offensive game plan was stupid from the start. All year Bama has run AT the defensive strengths of their opponents, and had flawless blocking schemes and execution. With their size advantage, there was no reason to abandon this style for this game against this opponent.

They did. Nothing worked. They lost.

The End.
Bama was done something against them that florida did, they rushed the QB, if you pressure wilson he sucks, its that simple, bring more than they have on the line and he could hit water if he fell out of a boat. Its why I screamed at georgia to rush him more, they sat back and he picked them apart, if saban had a brain he would have started out running the ball and give wilson short passes to stop the rush once it was obvious thats what they were doing.

Ohio State does have a good D and while I agree their Offense is not strong at all Pryor is an unbelievable athlete and will be VERY good. He might be a better reciever but in another 2 or 3 years we are going to be talking about him as one of the best in the country at whatever position he's playing.

And no, it's insane to say that it's obvious the Big 12 is overrated. Even if you think the SEC is better you can't have watched the Big 12 play all year and not see the talent that's in the league.
Their defense is good for the big 10 but the big 10 really sucks this year, and their red zone defense was horrible.

And I realize the big 12 has talent, I just think that if they played stronger defenses all year most receivers wouldnt be so eager to go across the middle of the field, crabtree looks like the real deal and I actually think they would have given florida a better game than OU will. I think if Texas, TT, OU would have played in the SEC they would have had at least two loses each with those defenses. Its still maddening to me that georgia cant get a decent defensive coordinator to stop teams with the talent they have, playing 5-10 yards off the receivers is virtually giving them a first down every time they line up.

That being said, if florida loses(please god) then you will most likely see Utah as number 1 in the AP poll unless OU beats the shit out of them or florida does the same. I think we will see Utah as number 1 if neither team wins really big, but we will see.

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, for the BC Coaching situation - two words: Rich Rod. The coach has only been at BC for a couple of seasons. So I think the AD is right to fire him. If he had been there longer (5+ years) I can see looking for a new job, but not less than that.

[JimBeam]

Their defense is good for the big 10 but the big 10 really sucks this year, and their red zone defense was horrible.

Actually their defense was Top 10 and Top 20 in most NCAA defensive categories.

[Fezticle98]

BTW, for the BC Coaching situation - two words: Rich Rod. The coach has only been at BC for a couple of seasons. So I think the AD is right to fire him. If he had been there longer (5+ years) I can see looking for a new job, but not less than that.

What's your point?

Are you ready to call Rich Rodriguez a failure at Michigan? I know you are a bitter WVU fan, but get real.

Who wouldn't leave that shithole for Michigan? And it's been one season, buddy.

[Fezticle98]

That being said, if florida loses(please god) then you will most likely see Utah as number 1 in the AP poll unless OU beats the shit out of them or florida does the same. I think we will see Utah as number 1 if neither team wins really big, but we will see.

Utah will not be #1 in the AP, no matter what.

[Knowledged_one]

What's your point?

Are you ready to call Rich Rodriguez a failure at Michigan? I know you are a bitter WVU fan, but get real.

Who wouldn't leave that shithole for Michigan? And it's been one season, buddy.

spoken by someone who has no clue about wvu football

[SP1!]

BTW, for the BC Coaching situation - two words: Rich Rod. The coach has only been at BC for a couple of seasons. So I think the AD is right to fire him. If he had been there longer (5+ years) I can see looking for a new job, but not less than that.
Well considering coaches are fired without decent reasons all the time who could blame the guy for wanting a big payday? This AD sounds like a guy with a jerry jones type complex wanting to control everything on handshake deals, he needs to relax, its not like BC is one of the top flight jobs in the nation. If hes not careful he will have to resort to hiring high school coaches since big time coaches will not want to deal with that bullshit.

Actually their defense was Top 10 and Top 20 in most NCAA defensive categories.
Tops by playing in the big 10, georgias was in the top 20 as well but if you watched any of those games you would know that georgia had a horrible defense and padded their stats against crap teams. OSU's defense, while ranked decently had the benefit of playing in a conference that was way down this year.

[Tenbatsuzen]

What's your point?

Are you ready to call Rich Rodriguez a failure at Michigan? I know you are a bitter WVU fan, but get real.

Who wouldn't leave that shithole for Michigan? And it's been one season, buddy.

The RichRod situation was the lack of loyalty after signing a big contract.

1) I am not calling RichRod a failure yet. I'm saving that for when Michigan fires him at the end of the 2010 season.

2) I don't blame Rodriguez for leaving WVU for Michigan, as it's a higher profile job; I am faulting RichRod for the way he LEFT WVU, especially after signing a big contract at WVU. He left that team in the shittiest way possible.

3) If the BC coach was there for five years, I don't fault him for leaving for the pros. But he's only been there for 2 and has consistently been job searching since getting the BC gig. That's a lack of loyalty (the Rich Rod situation).

If you want to get a job in the NFL, don't take a college HC position for a short-term. Get a coordinator or assistant position. Don't screw up an entire program just for your own aspirations to get back into the NFL.

College HC should be there for at least three-four years - enough to see a class through.

[JimBeam]

Tops by playing in the big 10, georgias was in the top 20 as well but if you watched any of those games you would know that georgia had a horrible defense and padded their stats against crap teams. OSU's defense, while ranked decently had the benefit of playing in a conference that was way down this year.

Dude you can't use your conference bias argument in every scenario.

They still played Division 1 teams many of which were ranked.

You want to discount what USC did because they playerd in the PAC10 ?

OK fine The SEC has the 12 greatest defenses in the world.

[Knowledged_one]

Coaches do not get fired all the time for no reason in college
and osu was greatly overrated and their d wasnt that great

[Tenbatsuzen]

Well considering coaches are fired without decent reasons all the time who could blame the guy for wanting a big payday? This AD sounds like a guy with a jerry jones type complex wanting to control everything on handshake deals, he needs to relax, its not like BC is one of the top flight jobs in the nation. If hes not careful he will have to resort to hiring high school coaches since big time coaches will not want to deal with that bullshit.


Even if the guy was fired, he still gets paid, unless your name is Al Davis. The point is this - the AD wants loyalty to his program. If the HC was there 5 or 10 years and the AD fired him for interviewing, I could see the AD was being a dick. The HC was only there for 2 years, without even consulting the AD about the Jets job, so I can see why the AD is a little pissed off. He wants the best for his program, and if the HC isn't going to give 100 percent, the AD doesn't want him there.

[Knowledged_one]

Dude you can't use your conference bias argument in every scenario.

They still played Division 1 teams many of which were ranked.

You want to discount what USC did because they playerd in the PAC10 ?

OK fine The SEC has the 12 greatest defenses in the world.

actually you can use the conference as a reason the big ten plays antiquated offense, has the least amount of talent of the major confrences, and to a team they all play weak out of confrences schedules especially osu

[Freakshow]

actually you can use the conference as a reason the big ten plays antiquated offense, has the least amount of talent of the major confrences, and to a team they all play weak out of confrences schedules especially osu

OSU played USC out of conference. And previously played Vince Young and Texas in the past couple of years. It's as hard a out-of-conference as you're going to find. Did you happen to see Texas Tech's schedule (Nevada was their toughest game--they had UMass for shits sake).

The Big Ten is actually pretty talented, I have no clue where you're getting that nonsense from. Just a sample of the Big Ten WR playing this week include Santonio Holmes, Derek Mason, Chris Chambers, Mushin Muhammed, Amani Toomer--just off the top of my head.

Holmes may be a top 5 receiver in the league this year. And he was on the same OSU with Ted Ginn, who seems to be doing Ok in Miami. I didn't mention mr. gun in the sweatpants who ho-hum won the superbowl last year...

[JimBeam]

OK well then how good is Florida's defense after all they did play The Citadel.

Alabama's defense was supposed to be good and got rolled by Utah.

You can't just throw out Oh St's defensive rankings because they played in a conference that was down.

They played 6 ranked teams, if you count the bowl game, including #1 and #3 twice.

In total they played 7 teams that went to bowls.

It's not like they played Utah's schedule.

[Tenbatsuzen]

spoken by someone who has no clue about wvu football

Fezticle, or me?

[SP1!]

Dude you can't use your conference bias argument in every scenario.

They still played Division 1 teams many of which were ranked.

You want to discount what USC did because they playerd in the PAC10 ?

OK fine The SEC has the 12 greatest defenses in the world.
Conference bias? Not really I think the SEC has great talent but this year they werent that good after the top 5 but the other conferences are worse, the big 10 was terrible this year and the USC/PSU game shows how far down the big 10 was, it was about as competitive as the rose bowl last year against illinois. And how many ranked teams will OSU have at the end of the year? Maybe 2? 3? With one being a team that got beat pretty easily by georgia and their shit defense, they are average and only ranked that high because they are OSU.

Even if the guy was fired, he still gets paid, unless your name is Al Davis. The point is this - the AD wants loyalty to his program. If the HC was there 5 or 10 years and the AD fired him for interviewing, I could see the AD was being a dick. The HC was only there for 2 years, without even consulting the AD about the Jets job, so I can see why the AD is a little pissed off. He wants the best for his program, and if the HC isn't going to give 100 percent, the AD doesn't want him there.

Well its BC, sorry there wont be a lot of loyalty for a coach if he could double his salary, he could be a little pissy for him asking for jobs all the time but its obvious that this AD had feelings he would jump which is why he said they had a deal. He got burned on this one, be a man cut him loose but dont act like a complete douche and end up making the job look less attractive to other potential coaches?

actually you can use the conference as a reason the big ten plays antiquated offense, has the least amount of talent of the major confrences, and to a team they all play weak out of confrences schedules especially osu
Not to mention their teams sucked, did they even win a bowl game this year?

OSU played USC out of conference. And previously played Vince Young and Texas in the past couple of years. It's as hard a out-of-conference as you're going to find. Did you happen to see Texas Tech's schedule (Nevada was their toughest game--they had UMass for shits sake).

The Big Ten is actually pretty talented, I have no clue where you're getting that nonsense from. Just a sample of the Big Ten WR playing this week include Santonio Holmes, Derek Mason, Chris Chambers, Mushin Muhammed, Amani Toomer--just off the top of my head.

Holmes may be a top 5 receiver in the league this year. And he was on the same OSU with Ted Ginn, who seems to be doing Ok in Miami. I didn't mention mr. gun in the sweatpants who ho-hum won the superbowl last year...
Yeah the past is the past, we are talking about this year. The big 10 is way down this year along with most conferences, but every team plays weak teams, if your like the pac 10 your set cause the cupcakes are teams in your own conference.

OK well then how good is Florida's defense after all they did play The Citadel.

Alabama's defense was supposed to be good and got rolled by Utah.

You can't just throw out Oh St's defensive rankings because they played in a conference that was down.

They played 6 ranked teams, if you count the bowl game, including #1 and #3 twice.

In total they played 7 teams that went to bowls.

It's not like they played Utah's schedule.
Yes I can, bamas defense wasnt that great, georgia came back after getting smacked and made it a game, but their shit defense got in the way, it was only a matter of time before they got exposed the fact that it was Utah was embarrassing to them and hilarious to the rest of us. OSU had a shit defense.

[SP1!]

Utah will not be #1 in the AP, no matter what.
I think they have a shot if its a really close game, especially they way bama lost

[Knowledged_one]

Fezticle, or me?

not you this time, you may be the only person here who knows something about wvu football besides me

Did you graduate from there?

[Knowledged_one]

I think they have a shot if its a really close game, especially they way bama lost

and i think you have a shot at a strait jacket if you think Utah has any shot at #1, they will be lucky to finish in the top 5

They played a weak schedule in a non BCS conference and barely beat teams

Shit the Boise St. team that went undefeated a few years back was 10x better then Utah and they didnt get #1

Seriously its not always about being undefeated you have to look a little more in depth

[Knowledged_one]

OSU played USC out of conference. And previously played Vince Young and Texas in the past couple of years. It's as hard a out-of-conference as you're going to find. Did you happen to see Texas Tech's schedule (Nevada was their toughest game--they had UMass for shits sake).

The Big Ten is actually pretty talented, I have no clue where you're getting that nonsense from. Just a sample of the Big Ten WR playing this week include Santonio Holmes, Derek Mason, Chris Chambers, Mushin Muhammed, Amani Toomer--just off the top of my head.

Holmes may be a top 5 receiver in the league this year. And he was on the same OSU with Ted Ginn, who seems to be doing Ok in Miami. I didn't mention mr. gun in the sweatpants who ho-hum won the superbowl last year...

Sorry to break it to you but what the team they play for in the NFL and what team they play for and that they are in the playoffs is a horrible argument. Chris Chambers is not that good, Amani Toomer played in the Big 10 what 12 years ago same with Mushin and Derek Mason? Santonio Holmes isnt even the best WR on his team.
and yeah they played USC this year but who else did they play Troy? Youngstown St.? I mean Kurt Herbstreet who went to OSU even says that they need to play tougher teams.

And i did see Texas Tech's schedule didnt they play Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State? I would say that trumps OSU and Penn State and MSU. And since i live in Ohio and i get mostly Big 10 games i would say i know what i am talking about talent wise compared to other schools.

And whoever asked Iowa was the only Big 10 team to win a bowl game this year

[Tenbatsuzen]

not you this time, you may be the only person here who knows something about wvu football besides me

Did you graduate from there?

No. Transferred out. Young, stupid, and a little too enamored of Sunnyside and High Street.

Still had some awesome memories though. Met one of my best friends there.

[Freakshow]

I think Texas Tech wouldn't play UT, OU, and OSU (who was pretty terrible, by the way) if they didn't have a choice. I look around and no other school is scheduling any worthwhile teams, OSU is playing at least one challenging game. It's an economic reality that teams schedule crappy teams because they are funding their entire athletic programs with home football games. They can only afford one home-and-home, the rest have to be one and dones.


I brought up the pros because the Big Ten has been playing pro offense with pro players for years and people just don't want to see it. Purdue had a spread, 5-wide attack for over a decade, years before Urban Meyer was even a head coach at Utah... Michigan and OSU have had their WR have much better success in the pros than any of their running backs in the last decade. I know it's not the best argument, but how am I supposed to fight your lousy argument which seems to be I hate Ohio, therefore the Big Ten sucks.

[JimBeam]

Conference bias? Not really I think the SEC has great talent but this year they werent that good after the top 5 but the other conferences are worse

But we're comparing THIS year's numbers so if the SEC is down but the others are worse that means you're still saying that the SEC is the best.

We're not comparing the 1965 Big 10 to this years Big 10.

As far as this year goes Oh St was a Top 10 defense in many categories.

I think they have a shot if its a really close game, especially they way bama lost

Again there's no way Utah is jumping the winner of the title game and surely will not jump USC or Texas.

This isn't a scenario where Utah was already highly ranked ( above any of the previously mentioned teams ) in the AP.

So w/ the winner of the title game and USC and Texas both beating highly ranked teams there's really no chance of Utah jumping them.

They'll get a few #1 votes in protest but nothing more.

[SP1!]

and i think you have a shot at a strait jacket if you think Utah has any shot at #1, they will be lucky to finish in the top 5

They played a weak schedule in a non BCS conference and barely beat teams

Shit the Boise St. team that went undefeated a few years back was 10x better then Utah and they didnt get #1

Seriously its not always about being undefeated you have to look a little more in depth

I understand that, the point remains they beat bama not some scrub out of the top 10 OU team like that boise state team did, to say that quite a few sportwriters wont vote them #1 is someone that hasnt been paying attention. The only way they get enough votes is if that game is real close and then it would be a toss up, but I could see the AP giving it to them just to send another fuck you to the BCS.

[JimBeam]

And i did see Texas Tech's schedule didnt they play Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State? I would say that trumps OSU and Penn State and MSU.

Why would those schools trump USC, Penn St and Mich St ?

Because the Big 12 was given far too much credit this year and managed a lot of TV time ?

Firstly USC is better than all 3 of those schools and it's possible Penn St is better than at least 2 of them w/ Mich St being the worst of the 3.

[SP1!]

But we're comparing THIS year's numbers so if the SEC is down but the others are worse that means you're still saying that the SEC is the best.

We're not comparing the 1965 Big 10 to this years Big 10.

As far as this year goes Oh St was a Top 10 defense in many categories.
Ok Im not arguing that they were ranked near the top in defenses but what you need to realize is that they didnt face any offense from the top 10 and only 2 in the top 25 and 3 total in the top 40. And one of those shouldnt count since it was Troy, the point being that the big 10 was shit this year compared to any other conference not just the SEC.

Again there's no way Utah is jumping the winner of the title game and surely will not jump USC or Texas.

This isn't a scenario where Utah was already highly ranked ( above any of the previously mentioned teams ) in the AP.

So w/ the winner of the title game and USC and Texas both beating highly ranked teams there's really no chance of Utah jumping them.

They'll get a few #1 votes in protest but nothing more.

They probably wont jump them but it wouldnt surprise me if they did, since Utah beat a better team than both of them played, it probably wont happen but if that game is close it could happen at the least I think they will end up 2nd.

[Knowledged_one]

Why would those schools trump USC, Penn St and Mich St ?

Because the Big 12 was given far too much credit this year and managed a lot of TV time ?

Firstly USC is better than all 3 of those schools and it's possible Penn St is better than at least 2 of them w/ Mich St being the worst of the 3.

the big 12 got more tv time because abc picked them as the games of the week much like the big ten had osu vs psu and osu vs wisconsin earlier in the year

[SP1!]

the big 12 got more tv time because abc picked them as the games of the week much like the big ten had osu vs psu and osu vs wisconsin earlier in the year

And to be honest those games were more entertaining, the public loves offense.

[Coach_Mac]

It's as hard a out-of-conference as you're going to find. Did you happen to see Texas Tech's schedule (Nevada was their toughest game--they had UMass for shits sake).
...

Hey UMass recieved votes in the FCS Polls. So there!

[CuntagiousChris]

Texas Tech is my team i live in Lubbock and have done so my whole life we really shit the bed at the end of this year against Oklahoma and Ole Miss hell we damn near lost to Baylor it sucks balls i love my team but we are the biggest choke artists in college football give us some attention and you can almost guarantee we will panic and do something stupid. That being said I feel incredibly bad for Utah especially after seeing them dismantle Alabama they deserve to be in that championship game Fuck the BCS i know we have to put up with it until at least 2014 but Fuck them in their fucking asses they are nothing but fucking clownshoes QUIT ROBBING ME OF MY COLLEGE FOOTBALL LETS GET A PLAYOFF SYSTEM UP IN THIS BITCH

[Knowledged_one]

Yeah that tough matchup with unlv would prepare them for florida

[KingKill]

The SEC is the best college football has to offer and will win the BSC Championship again
and finish 6-2 as a conference.

[SP1!]

The SEC is the best college football has to offer and will win the BSC Championship again
and finish 6-2 as a conference.

God I hope not, fuck the gayturds

[Fezticle98]

The SEC is the best college football has to offer and will win the BSC Championship again
and finish 6-2 as a conference.

What's the BSC?

Anyway, I despise the Gaytors, but I have $660 on them. They better win by more than 3.

[Freakshow]

And to be honest those games were more entertaining, the public loves offense.

65 - 21. Awesome game...

Ohio State has the 3rd and 5th highested rated game this season, and they didn't score more than 10 points in either of those games.

[Knowledged_one]

Who gives a shit about ratings it doesnt translate into talent thats the worst arguement ever
and yeah ok v ok st was a blowout but i noticed you didnt mention the texas v texas tech game, omitting it doesnt mean it didnt happen

[Bossanova]

Texas is much better than the Pac10 or Big Ten schools

[Freakshow]

Who gives a shit about ratings it doesnt translate into talent thats the worst arguement ever
and yeah ok v ok st was a blowout but i noticed you didnt mention the texas v texas tech game, omitting it doesnt mean it didnt happen

sp! didn't mention anything about talent, just ratings and offense.


And I thought my pro agrument from yesterday was the worst ever. Which is it, damn it????


Texas is much better than the Pac10 or Big Ten schools

They are much better, that's why they needed to come from behind to beat a Big Ten School. Makes sense!

[Knowledged_one]

Your arguements get worse each day and who cares how they won the point is they won
how arent you understanding this

[Bossanova]

sp! didn't mention anything about talent, just ratings and offense.


And I thought my pro agrument from yesterday was the worst ever. Which is it, damn it????




They are much better, that's why they needed to come from behind to beat a Big Ten School. Makes sense!

You act like they were trailing the entire game. And why is it when some other school comes from behind, its thats the true sign of a champ? Being able to face adversity and come back to win.

[Freakshow]

Your arguements get worse each day and who cares how they won the point is they won
how arent you understanding this

Utah won every game, it doesn't matter how they won. Shouldn't they be #1, then?

[Freakshow]

You act like they were trailing the entire game. And why is it when some other school comes from behind, its thats the true sign of a champ? Being able to face adversity and come back to win.

Ohio State was trailing the whole game. If they had won would you still be saying the same thing? Seems to be both teams were pretty evenly matched.

[Bossanova]

Ohio State was trailing the whole game. If they had won would you still be saying the same thing? Seems to be both teams were pretty evenly matched.

Ohio St did surprise me, but I feel that Texas wasnt on their game. McCoy didn't have his best, he should have picked them apart

[Knowledged_one]

Utah won every game, it doesn't matter how they won. Shouldn't they be #1, then?

no their strength of schedule is dick compared to the schools above them
now you are making apples and oranges comparisons with wacked out circular logic

[Knowledged_one]

Ohio State was trailing the whole game. If they had won would you still be saying the same thing? Seems to be both teams were pretty evenly matched.

but they didnt win they lost we arent playing the hypothetical game here

[Freakshow]

no their strength of schedule is dick compared to the schools above them
now you are making apples and oranges comparisons with wacked out circular logic

Utah beat Alabama more convincencly than Florida did. According to your logic, that makes them the better team...

[Knowledged_one]

Utah beat Alabama more convincencly than Florida did. According to your logic, that makes them the better team...

no according to my logic they arent you are confusing me with you
stop trying the slippery rock arguement

[Freakshow]

meh. it's all bullshit. we need a playoff.

[Epschtein]

wtf is a slippery rock argument?

anyway, i dont really know if utah could hang with either of the teams playing tonight, but i know i feel cheated because we dont get to see them try...

[Knowledged_one]

wtf is a slippery rock argument?

anyway, i dont really know if utah could hang with either of the teams playing tonight, but i know i feel cheated because we dont get to see them try...

The Rock Mystique, a college football phenomenon for more than 50 years, can be traced back to a 1936 controversy over which team, Minnesota or Pitt, deserved the No. 1 ranking.

Both the Associated Press and the Dickinson System ranked Minnesota first. The Football Annual and various coaches polls, including the United Press International ranking, picked Pittsburgh.

Reams of copy that spewed the platitudes of the Panthers and Golden Gophers, compared scores and schedules - and even cheerleaders. One sportswriter thought the argument was foolish. To prove it, he wrote a story supporting Slippery Rock for No. 1.

Backtracking across the scores from the '36 season, the journalist proved his point:

Slippery Rock beat Westminster, which beat West Virginia Wesleyan, which beat Duquesne, which beat Pitt, which beat Notre Dame, which beat Northwestern, which beat Minnesota.

and to just prove this doesnt work

Oregon St. got demolished by Penn St.
USC lost to Oregon St.
by slippery Rock Logic Penn St. would destroy USC

But in reality we all know what happened when they played in this years Rose Bowl

[Coach_Mac]

meh. it's all bullshit. we need a playoff.

That won't solve anything or create less contraversy. People think it's a solution but it's not.

[Epschtein]

holy shit, i was just fucking around because i thought you misspoke, i have never heard of that!

the more you know... *ding*

[Freakshow]

That won't solve anything or create less contraversy. People think it's a solution but it's not.

right, cause the Giants won the superbowl, but people consider the Patriots to be the real champs. As long as the playoff has 8 teams, no one can say a thing.

holy shit, i was just fucking around because i thought you misspoke, i have never heard of that!

the more you know... *ding*

I think Pitt claims 11 Mythical National Championships this way...

[Knowledged_one]

holy shit, i was just fucking around because i thought you misspoke, i have never heard of that!

the more you know... *ding*

I only remember it from some book i read when i was like 7. I havent forgotten it in 25 years

[Freakshow]

Well, Hill going pro (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090108/SPORTS0203/901080480/1133)

It's a shame they are no-talents from the big ten. They probably won't be drafted at all since their conference is worse than the MAC... :surrender:

[Fezticle98]

The line is up to UF -6.

It started out at UF -3 and was at UF -4 yesterday. The late money is going UF's direction in a big way.

[Freakshow]

I love how people could care less about this game. I think 3 or 4 teams will have a legitimate claim to the mythical national title this year. :lol:

[SP1!]

65 - 21. Awesome game...

Ohio State has the 3rd and 5th highested rated game this season, and they didn't score more than 10 points in either of those games.
One of those games were early in the season and thought to be a good game, which it wasnt. I would like to see the ratings by quarter.

The other game was the only game on that night and people expected a blowout, if it had any competition there wouldnt have been that many people watching it.

Again, people tuned in expecting offense, its the same reason why MLB turned its head when they knew players were juicing, it was getting them offense and ratings after the strike. Americans like high scores, its the main reason why soccer will never catch on here, not enough scoring.

[Snoogans]

i hope this game ends 3-0

[razorboy]

That was a hell of a pick.

[Holes]

i hope this game ends 3-0

If Florida and the Over come in, then I take third in my bowl pool. So let's root for some points and Florida.

[disneyspy]

That was a hell of a pick.

so much for heiseman boy sayin he'd like to pass against the big12 defenses

[Holes]

Gresham is a DUDE!

[SP1!]

Well, Hill going pro (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090108/SPORTS0203/901080480/1133)

It's a shame they are no-talents from the big ten. They probably won't be drafted at all since their conference is worse than the MAC... :surrender:

Yeah you keep throwing that up, we never said they dont have decent talent, the teams suck in the big 10 this year though, you may still very well have a couple or 3 first round picks in the draft.

Quit getting defensive about your conference sucking this year.

[razorboy]

What a shock. Timbo's cock and balls already being lovingly serviced by the commentators.

[Knowledged_one]

If Florida and the Over come in, then I take third in my bowl pool. So let's root for some points and Florida.

whats my cut if i do

[Holes]

whats my cut if i do

Don't waste your breath, it is a long shot! OT would help.

[SP1!]

Oh god come on sooners, play defense

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Come on!!!!!! More of that!!!!!!

[razorboy]

Ahahahahahahaha!

[Epschtein]

wow, i think that was the MOST intercepted pass i have ever seen lol.

i dont think it could have been any more of a perfect throw to the other team.

[Snoogans]

way to blow the chance OK

[SP1!]

Shit


And I hate the way fox doesnt put the play clock up there until the last minute

[Snoogans]

fuck oklahoma, they are blowin all these chances. I cant see them winnin this game

[SP1!]

Im fucking pissed, they should be up by 14 already.

[SP1!]

If this score holds a bunch of bookies will be pissed

[PhilDeez]

How many GD times can Oklahoma get burned on that stupid option shovel pass to Hernandez.

They blew it in the first half, two first and goals, two tebow ints and 0 points.

[SP1!]

God I hate the sooners right now

[toolshed]

Stoops may be the worst big-game coach ever. OU handed that game over.

[Coach_Mac]

Stoops may be the worst big-game coach ever. OU handed that game over.

I agree with that. Stoops made some questionable calls in my opinion, especially on the goal line. OU dominated them in the first half and went in tied.

However, as poorly as Tebow played in the first half, he stepped it up like he always does and made sure they won.

[toolshed]

For the love of all that is holy, let Tebow go into the draft so I don't have to hear every sportscaster fellate him for another season.

And, IMO, Percy Harvin was the MVP yesterday. I don't know how he will do in the pros, but that kid is unreal.

[JimBeam]

Sadly I missed most of this game due to a cold and some NyQuil but in all the recaps I've read and heard it seems like it was a good game for most of the time.

I knew that there was no way Utah would get 1st place in the AP but I was shocked that they passed USC and Texas.

Anybody know who the coach was that voted Utah #1 in the Coaches Poll ?

I'm guessing whoever it was will be losing that vote next year.

Harvin was on Mike & Mike and brought up a good point as to why Florida should be the unanimous #1 team. He said that they just beat the #1 team in the country in back to back games.

You can't argue w/ that.

[JimBeam]

Update on Miami QBs transfer :

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3820496

...is now allowed to transfer to Central Florida or South Florida. He is still prohibited from transferring to schools in the Atlantic Coast Conference.

[PhilDeez]

[QUOTE=JimBeam;2054881]Anybody know who the coach was that voted Utah #1 in the Coaches Poll ?QUOTE]

The Utah coach.

[JimBeam]

Yeah I just read that.

Apparently Mack Brown said he was gonna vote Texas #1 but I guess he was bluffing.

Whittingham said he would vote his team No. 1 in the USA Today coaches' poll, even though the American Football Coaches Association has agreed to have all its voters place the winner of the BCS national championship game first on their ballots.

Utah did receive one first-place vote in the coaches' poll and finished fourth.

Whittingham isn't worried about losing his vote.

"That's their call," he said. "I have to look out for my players."

Brown said he'd vote for his team, too.

[SP1!]

For the love of all that is holy, let Tebow go into the draft so I don't have to hear every sportscaster fellate him for another season.

And, IMO, Percy Harvin was the MVP yesterday. I don't know how he will do in the pros, but that kid is unreal.
I agree harvin is the reason for their success, it doesnt matter if hes hurt he made plays and they have to account for him no matter where he is on the field, if teebow had a brain and harvin goes pro he should leave or teams will just kill teebow next year with no safety valve.

Sadly I missed most of this game due to a cold and some NyQuil but in all the recaps I've read and heard it seems like it was a good game for most of the time.

I knew that there was no way Utah would get 1st place in the AP but I was shocked that they passed USC and Texas.

Anybody know who the coach was that voted Utah #1 in the Coaches Poll ?

I'm guessing whoever it was will be losing that vote next year.

Harvin was on Mike & Mike and brought up a good point as to why Florida should be the unanimous #1 team. He said that they just beat the #1 team in the country in back to back games.

You can't argue w/ that.
You have to think like the idiotic AP voters to realize they would do that at the least and if florida wouldnt have looked like a different team in the 2nd half it may have been even closer. They think cause utah finished with an undefeated season and beat an over rated bama they should be champs, this new system is worse than the old one, if this is the options I want the old system back.

[toolshed]

I agree harvin is the reason for their success, it doesnt matter if hes hurt he made plays and they have to account for him no matter where he is on the field, if teebow had a brain and harvin goes pro he should leave or teams will just kill teebow next year with no safety valve.


Agreed here. I hope that plays into his reasoning. Although, UF's secondary tailback Rainey looks pretty solid too. No way he will be as much of a threat as Harvin though.

[Coach_Mac]

I agree harvin is the reason for their success

No way. Harvin is a stud and a tremendous athlete but Tim tebow is the most impact player in the country and the reason they are the best team in the country.

Take Harvin away- they still win the national championship
Take Tebow away- they fall apart after Ole Miss loss

[toolshed]

No way. Harvin is a stud and a tremendous athlete but Tim tebow is the most impact player in the country and the reason they are the best team in the country.

Take Harvin away- they still win the national championship
Take Tebow away- they fall apart after Ole Miss loss

Tebow is impact for sure...but i don't think they win the NC without Harvin. He makes big plays, clutch plays; but his most important function is being the threat of the dump pass. Tebow wouldn't have nearly the rushing yards if LBs or safeties didn't have to hold back to cover Harvin in the flats.

[JimBeam]

Well I think we saw for sure that the Big 12 was entirely overrated this season.

When the 4 best teams in your league go 1-3 in the bowls there's something missing.

And for those who want to say Missouri was one of the best kudos to taking Northwestern to overtime for your big win.

[Snoogans]

Crabtree declared

[SP1!]

No way. Harvin is a stud and a tremendous athlete but Tim tebow is the most impact player in the country and the reason they are the best team in the country.

Take Harvin away- they still win the national championship
Take Tebow away- they fall apart after Ole Miss loss

No they dont, if it wasnt for harvin making plays in the first half they would have got to teebow in the first half even worse last night, just like georgia did in 2007, they shut down harvin and killed teebow. Without another playmaker and that defense last night they would have lost that game, it fucking pisses me off stoops couldnt call a better game plan when in the red zone. It should have been at least 21-7 OU going into halftime.

The only reason teebow is staying is because he is not going to be shit in the NFL if he insists on being a QB, he will have to go the matt jones route and be flexible, hes another in a long line of tommy frazier, tee martins, and chris leaks. Most electric college QBs end up shit in the NFL and the calm ones end up stars, I remember the knock against peyton was he couldnt win the big game, hell even brady lost the starting job at michigan didnt he?

[SP1!]

Tebow is impact for sure...but i don't think they win the NC without Harvin. He makes big plays, clutch plays; but his most important function is being the threat of the dump pass. Tebow wouldn't have nearly the rushing yards if LBs or safeties didn't have to hold back to cover Harvin in the flats.
Some people just dont get that point, when harvin wasnt in there, they couldnt move the ball at all, with him they looked better than OUs offense.

Crabtree declared
So is harrell going too? Cause he was the playmaker on that team and nobody else stood out to me in the games I watched.

[Coach_Mac]

The only reason teebow is staying is because he is not going to be shit in the NFL if he insists on being a QB, he will have to go the matt jones route and be flexible, hes another in a long line of tommy frazier, tee martins, and chris leaks. Most electric college QBs end up shit in the NFL and the calm ones end up stars, I remember the knock against peyton was he couldnt win the big game, hell even brady lost the starting job at michigan didnt he?

You're right, Tebow will not be an NFL QB but to me he is more important to the succes of Florida than any other player is to their team.




So is harrell going too? Cause he was the playmaker on that team and nobody else stood out to me in the games I watched.


Harrell is a senior so he will go but Crabtree was the playmaker. I love Harrell but he's not gonna make an impact in the NFL. Crabtree will be a pro-bowler within a few years.

[Snoogans]

Maklin declared

[cougarjake13]

You're right, Tebow will not be an NFL QB but to me he is more important to the succes of Florida than any other player is to their team.




Harrell is a senior so he will go but Crabtree was the playmaker. I love Harrell but he's not gonna make an impact in the NFL. Crabtree will be a pro-bowler within a few years.



shit crabs is gonna be a 2 sport star ??

i would love to see a crabtree - rhino page finals

[Snoogans]

shit crabs is gonna be a 2 sport star ??

i would love to see a crabtree - rhino page finals

is there a gay sport that you dont watch?

[cougarjake13]

is there a gay sport that you dont watch?

naked curling

[JimBeam]

Get Your OU Championship Football Now!

http://www.thewizofodds.com/the_wiz_of_odds/2009/01/get-your-ou-championship-football-now.html

Obviously this is a fake because there's no score marked on the ball but I'm sure they did have some prototypes premade.

[Coach_Mac]

shit crabs is gonna be a 2 sport star ??

i would love to see a crabtree - rhino page finals

He's the next Roy Munson

[SP1!]

You're right, Tebow will not be an NFL QB but to me he is more important to the succes of Florida than any other player is to their team.
Maybe to their team but if he didnt go there then javon snead would have went there and I dont think it would have been much different, its easy to say how good you are when you have a decent team around you. Teebow will stay for his last hurrah then will be shock when he doesnt get drafted in the first round if he tells the teams he only wants to play QB.

[KnoxHarrington]

You know, I don't get why announcers don't get that this fawning, asskissing adulation of a player hurts far more than it helps. I mean, it made pretty much everyone except the most hopeless Duke fan hate JJ Redick, probably unfairly. But announcers do it over and over, and Brennaman up in the booth jacking over Tebow was probably the worst.

I mean, I can't even read his line "If you spend 20 minutes with Tim Tebow, you'll be a better person" without inserting one of Lil' Jimmy's "UCKKKKKKKKK!"'s.

[JimBeam]

Maybe to their team but if he didnt go there then javon snead would have went there and I dont think it would have been much different, its easy to say how good you are when you have a decent team around you. Teebow will stay for his last hurrah then will be shock when he doesnt get drafted in the first round if he tells the teams he only wants to play QB.

Dude you can discount all the non-football things that they say about him as hype but to deny that the guy is a great player is nonsense.

To say that just putting anybody in his position would produce the same result could be one of the crazier things you've ever said.

Sure the team around his is very talented but why do you assume it is them that makes him better and not the other way around ?

Sure Harvin does a lot of great things when he runs the ball but as the QB it's Tebow that has to make the passes and while he's not a prototypical passing QB he does a pretty good job of getting it done.

He also runs the option very well and that's not an easy thing to do.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you're letting some kinda hatred for this guy, for what reason I do not know, cloud your vision.

[Snoogans]

If it wasn't for Mike Teel Rutgers woulda won the National Championship










What, everyone else is talkin nonsense. Why can't I?

[SP1!]

Dude you can discount all the non-football things that they say about him as hype but to deny that the guy is a great player is nonsense.

To say that just putting anybody in his position would produce the same result could be one of the crazier things you've ever said.

Sure the team around his is very talented but why do you assume it is them that makes him better and not the other way around ?

Sure Harvin does a lot of great things when he runs the ball but as the QB it's Tebow that has to make the passes and while he's not a prototypical passing QB he does a pretty good job of getting it done.

He also runs the option very well and that's not an easy thing to do.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you're letting some kinda hatred for this guy, for what reason I do not know, cloud your vision.
Hes good, I never said he wasnt, what I did say is that hes not the sole or even main reason for success, IMO, Javon Snead was going to go there but didnt because teebow went there, that was the QB that beat them this year. If you watched many of their games you can realize that as good as teebow is for motivation, harvin has to make plays for them to win, its why I think hes the most important part of that team.

As for the hatred, Im a georgia fan, that should explain it. Florida fans are the most idiotic in the world, talking all kinds of shit when even with this recent streak they still have a losing record against most of the SEC teams, they are also the only fans that could make Tennessee fans look sophisticated, oh and their jorts, fucking hicks.

[SP1!]

If it wasn't for Mike Teel Rutgers woulda won the National Championship

What, everyone else is talkin nonsense. Why can't I?

Well thats stretching it a little bit, their defense was average at best this year.

[Freakshow]

santonio holmes just returned a punt for a touchdown.


just sayin'

[JimBeam]

Florida QB Tebow to stay in school

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3825566

I don't think this was much of a surprise.

Mel Kiper was saying the other day that he didn't think he'd get drafted before the 3rd or 4th round this year so it wouldn't make sense for him to come out early.

[SP1!]

santonio holmes just returned a punt for a touchdown.


just sayin'
Yeah? Hines Ward was the star of the Pitt game, congrats. Once again I dont care about talent that comes out of the conference in the past, the fact remains is the big 10 was shit this year. Let it go.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3825566

I don't think this was much of a surprise.

Mel Kiper was saying the other day that he didn't think he'd get drafted before the 3rd or 4th round this year so it wouldn't make sense for him to come out early.
Well hes still not gonna get drafter before the 3rd or 4th round next year unless he backs of his thinking that hes going to be a starting QB in the league.

[Snoogans]

I still think its smart of Tebow. he probably wont effect his status negatively cause he isnt gonna be a QB anyway. But if he looks amazing next year he may get a shot

[SP1!]

I still think its smart of Tebow. he probably wont effect his status negatively cause he isnt gonna be a QB anyway. But if he looks amazing next year he may get a shot

Yeah maybe, but I dont think so. His reads just arent there and I think he would be better suited for another position, he needs to at least consider that possibility.

[Snoogans]

Yeah maybe, but I dont think so. His reads just arent there and I think he would be better suited for another position, he needs to at least consider that possibility.

I agree. But that will still be there. If he ever wants to play QB, this is his only shot, and if it doesnt work, he still has the fallback

[toolshed]

I agree. But that will still be there. If he ever wants to play QB, this is his only shot, and if it doesnt work, he still has the fallback

I think you're right here. If it puts up another stellar year, or wins another Heisman, some team with no dedicated offensive system may pick him up at QB for the press alone. If he fades in his senior season, he can make it at some other position.

[Freakshow]

Yeah? Hines Ward was the star of the Pitt game, congrats. Once again I dont care about talent that comes out of the conference in the past, the fact remains is the big 10 was shit this year. Let it go.


It's not really about the talent, that can't be proven (or disproven). it's more a response to everyone's comment that the Big Ten plays dull football (snoogans said something about not wanting to watch an OSU vs Wisconsin game on an average year). Yet just about every year there is a first round WR from the Big Ten, these players would be going elsewhere if they weren't playing in pro-style offenses. I would also like to point out that Holmes wasn't even the punt returner at OSU (Ted Ginn Jr.--another first rounder). Also the NFC championship game has two Michigan WR's--Breaston and Avant...

[Snoogans]

It's not really about the talent, that can't be proven (or disproven). it's more a response to everyone's comment that the Big Ten plays dull football (snoogans said something about not wanting to watch an OSU vs Wisconsin game on an average year). Yet just about every year there is a first round WR from the Big Ten, these players would be going elsewhere if they weren't playing in pro-style offenses. I would also like to point out that Holmes wasn't even the punt returner at OSU (Ted Ginn Jr.--another first rounder). Also the NFC championship game has two Michigan WR's--Breaston and Avant...

Its not about the type of game they play. Just for some reason, Big 10 games are BORING

[disneyspy]

some people dont appreciate defense

[Freakshow]

and that bcs title game wasn't?

[Snoogans]

I can appreciate a defensive game from time to time. But Wisconsin and OSU and that are boring. The only big ten team ive ever consistantly been able to watch is Penn State. Sometimes Michigan State. The rest are garbage.


And the title game blew, but mostly cause Oklahoma choked away so many fuckin chances

[disneyspy]

the best 07 bowl game was michigan beatin florida.UM will be back and the BIG10 will be the lleeders and best again

[Coach_Mac]

Yeah maybe, but I dont think so. His reads just arent there and I think he would be better suited for another position, he needs to at least consider that possibility.

Based on the last 3 years, I think there's no question he is not an NFL QB. BUT...I think Tebow has enough talent and dedication that if he does what he needs to over the offseason, he can become a good enough passer that some NFL teams will want him (as QB). Plus, he has the opportunity to be the greatest college player ever.

[SP1!]

Its not about the type of game they play. Just for some reason, Big 10 games are BORING
Yeah, they are horrible

some people dont appreciate defense

I can appreciate a defensive game from time to time. But Wisconsin and OSU and that are boring. The only big ten team ive ever consistantly been able to watch is Penn State. Sometimes Michigan State. The rest are garbage.

And the title game blew, but mostly cause Oklahoma choked away so many fuckin chances
Defense is one thing but their offenses have just sucked lately PSU was ok this year but usually they suck.

And dont get me started on chokelahoma, I am still pissed they didnt shut the florida fans up, fucking hicks.

the best 07 bowl game was michigan beatin florida.UM will be back and the BIG10 will be the lleeders and best again
Yeah, this makes me laugh, I dont see one reason to think the big 10 will be much better next year than they were this year, in fact there may be another drop off if PSU loses players

Based on the last 3 years, I think there's no question he is not an NFL QB. BUT...I think Tebow has enough talent and dedication that if he does what he needs to over the offseason, he can become a good enough passer that some NFL teams will want him (as QB). Plus, he has the opportunity to be the greatest college player ever.

Yeah I could see him playing some there if he hones his skills but I dont think he will ever be a big time pro QB, still I hate him and that will never change.

[JimBeam]

Yeah maybe, but I dont think so. His reads just arent there and I think he would be better suited for another position, he needs to at least consider that possibility.

Based on the last 3 years, I think there's no question he is not an NFL QB. BUT...I think Tebow has enough talent and dedication that if he does what he needs to over the offseason, he can become a good enough passer that some NFL teams will want him (as QB). Plus, he has the opportunity to be the greatest college player ever.

But how many of UF's QBs have been NFL stars ?

None.

I believe I saw a stat last night that said he's the schools all time leader in Completion% and QB rating.

So if his college numbers are better than those of Weurfell ( sp ?? ), Palmer, Grossman, etc ... and he's phsycially more gifted than any of those guys why wouldn't he get drafted as those guys would ?

[Snoogans]

But how many of UF's QBs have been NFL stars ?

None.



Danny Wuerful's heart cries

[JimBeam]

Report: FSU's Rolle going to Oxford

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/01/12/florida.state.rolle.ap/index.html


Good for him.

[SP1!]

But how many of UF's QBs have been NFL stars ?

None.

I believe I saw a stat last night that said he's the schools all time leader in Completion% and QB rating.

So if his college numbers are better than those of Weurfell ( sp ?? ), Palmer, Grossman, etc ... and he's phsycially more gifted than any of those guys why wouldn't he get drafted as those guys would ?

He will get drafted but just like those it will be in later rounds unless he is open to playing other positions, otherwise I dont see very many teams wasting first round money on a guy who is not a good NFL type QB.

[JimBeam]

But teams have wasted money on UF's statistically inferior QBs before why wouldn't they do it now ?

[SP1!]

But teams have wasted money on UF's statistically inferior QBs before why wouldn't they do it now ?

I dont think any of those guys have gone in the first round, they get drafted and usually sign average first contracts then get paid about what the average backup QBs get, so saying money is wasted on them is not really true.

I dont think anyone is going to give him a huge contract to play QB, he will get his shot but he stands a better chance at going to another position to make more money, just like pat white at WVU, hes an amazing talent but Im just not sure either one will make it as a pro QB.

And I give pat white a better shot at playing QB in the NFL than teebow

[Snoogans]

McCoy just left Pitt and declared.

[Freakshow]

McCoy just left Pitt and declared.

I thought he declared for the draft before he even set foot on campus. No suprise at all.

[Snoogans]

I thought he declared for the draft before he even set foot on campus. No suprise at all.

Actually in November he said he was stayin, and apparently as late as January 5th had told Pitt he was coming back

[Freakshow]

probably got his grades from the fall semester...

[JimBeam]

I expected the opposite from both of these guys.

Bradford, others to return to Oklahoma

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3832957

Sources: Sanchez plans to enter NFL draft

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=3833465

[cougarjake13]

I expected the opposite from both of these guys.

i thought theyd both stay

[JimBeam]

That jerkoff Michael Kay was going on for a while about how Bradford is stupid and he should've come out and blah blah blah.

Then he compares his own college career and how if he could've gotten the Yankee broadcasting job by his junior year that he'd have left school.

Yeah real spot on parallel there.

Heisman winning QB = some tool in Fordham journalism school

[toolshed]

Florida's Harvin going pro, Spikes staying. Good move for both. Harvin is injury prone, and Spikes will look better with next years LB class. There are a lot of good LBs going this year.

[JimBeam]

I think I read that Gresham the TE from Oklahoma was coming back.

Taylor Mays from USC is coming back.

[SP1!]

That jerkoff Michael Kay was going on for a while about how Bradford is stupid and he should've come out and blah blah blah.

Then he compares his own college career and how if he could've gotten the Yankee broadcasting job by his junior year that he'd have left school.

Yeah real spot on parallel there.

Heisman winning QB = some tool in Fordham journalism school
He was rationalizing that if you have a chance to make $30-$40 million you take it, there is no job these guys could get with a degree that would guarantee them that much money in their entire lifetime much less in the first 5 years out of college.

Florida's Harvin going pro, Spikes staying. Good move for both. Harvin is injury prone, and Spikes will look better with next years LB class. There are a lot of good LBs going this year.
Say goodbye to floridas title hopes for next year.

[JimBeam]

Yeah but maybe the kid would like to get his degree before he makes the jump.

I found it more ridiculous that Kay was comparing his college career, and I know he wasn't really impying that they were the same but still, to that of a college football superstar.

And I'm not equating Bradford w/ Bill Gates or Warren Buffet but both of those guys made a few pennies and never played a down in the NFL.

Say goodbye to floridas title hopes for next year.

He was on the team last year and they didn't win so I guess he's not as automatic as you think.

[JimBeam]

Apaprently Pete Carroll's a bit unhappy about this decision :

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Pete-Carroll-may-be-disappointed-in-Mark-Sanch?urn=ncaaf,134748

I think as far as Sanchez is concerned he made the best decison for himself financially if not w/ regards to his career.

The money's there and it'll be easier to get this year, whether he goes ahead of Stafford or not, then it will be next year.

Will he be ready to play in the NFL after only 16 college starts ?

Who knows but he'll get his shot.

I honestly think Carroll is ore concerned for sanchez than it seems because as far as talent goes he's got Mustain ready to step in and has a blue chipper coming to school as well.

[SP1!]

Apaprently Pete Carroll's a bit unhappy about this decision :



I think as far as Sanchez is concerned he made the best decison for himself financially if not w/ regards to his career.

The money's there and it'll be easier to get this year, whether he goes ahead of Stafford or not, then it will be next year.

Will he be ready to play in the NFL after only 16 college starts ?

Who knows but he'll get his shot.

I honestly think Carroll is ore concerned for sanchez than it seems because as far as talent goes he's got Mustain ready to step in and has a blue chipper coming to school as well.
Mustain is not ready to step in, thats why petes pissed. Fuck carroll, even an idiot knows he will go higher this year than next year with all those big 12 QBs coming out.

[JimBeam]

Morrah foregoes senior year for draft

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=3845172

I thought the deadline to declare was last Thursday.

[drjoek]

I thought the deadline to declare was last Thursday.

National Letter of Intent day is Feb 4th.
My daughter will sign that day !!

[weekapaugjz]

National Letter of Intent day is Feb 4th.
My daughter will sign that day !!

Where to? Was it swimming or track? I can't remember.

[drjoek]

Where to? Was it swimming or track? I can't remember.

Shes going to Boston College to run

[weekapaugjz]

Shes going to Boston College to run

Awesome.

[Freakshow]

so the rumour around is that Shady's mother made him go pro. What a disaster...

[SP1!]

so the rumour around is that Shady's mother made him go pro. What a disaster...

Who? Is this a PSU thing or big 10? I have no idea who that is.

It also looks like I may get to quit bitching about willie martinez, miamis defensive coach went to Ok St and willie is friends with miami alum since he went there and is supposed to be on their short list to replace him.

God I hope he leaves.

[Freakshow]

shady = LeSean McCoy.

[Snoogans]

didnt think it was worth a new thread quite yet but for anyone interested in seein some football, georgia's spring game is on ESPN right now

[beachbum]

I can't wait for college football to start.Thanks for the heads up Snoogans.I'm looking for it now.

[Snoogans]

Watching this makes me want to go to Rutgers Sping game next Saturday

[Freakshow]

The Blue and White game is awesome. If the weather is nice they get 65 or 70K. And they usually have autograph sessions before the game. I have a 'ticket' for the 2000 game signed my Larry Johnson and Kenny Watson (both have NFL 100 yard rushing games).

I actually 'talked to' Larry (he was coming off a true freshman year I believe). I said "good game Larry" and he turned around and looked me, trying to figure out if he knew me and then walked away without saying anything. Good times, good times.

[SP1!]

didnt think it was worth a new thread quite yet but for anyone interested in seein some football, georgia's spring game is on ESPN right now

Dammit, I thought it was next weekend, fucking yardwork.

[SP1!]

Looks like they arent done with USC and reggie bush getting free shit. (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4055102)

[JimBeam]

This must've been some fight.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4064898

There are probably hundreds of fights at college parties every week so this guy probably did some damage to this guy in order to get 180 days.

[ozzie]

South Carolina at North Carolina State - ESPN (HD)

Thursday, September 3rd, 2009 - 7:00 PM

140 Days, 5 hours, 41 minutes until kickoff.

[led37zep]

New Coach and 3 QB's going after the starting spot.

GO DUCKS!

First Game:
Thu, Sep 03 Boise State at Boise, Idaho 7:15 PM ESPN

[JimBeam]

Kiffin continues to make news :

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4148579

Robert Sanico, then 17, pleaded guilty in adult court to charges of aggravated kidnapping and aggravated rape and is serving a 10-year prison sentence.

How did this kid only get juvenile detention for being part of a rape ?

A realtive, in his father's house ?

Not exactly in the wrong place at that wrong time.

[hammersavage]

Outside the Lines had something on Kiffin this morning. Either the guy is a retard or evil genius. Judging by his wife, I'm leaning genius. He talked shit about every team in the SEC and has at least 5 recruiting violations. He even committed one while ESPN was there.

Only 2 and a half more months til kickoff

[cougarjake13]

Outside the Lines had something on Kiffin this morning. Either the guy is a retard or evil genius. Judging by his wife, I'm leaning genius. He talked shit about every team in the SEC and has at least 5 recruiting violations. He even committed one while ESPN was there.

Only 2 and a half more months til kickoff




she was fucking hot


i batched to her twice this morn