2008 College Football Discussion Thread

[Snoogans]

I think he was afraid to press the freshman QB too much before half. But fuck man, you gotta try to win a fuckin game at the end. Just terrible coaching. Herman Edwards type shit there

[disneyspy]

nice running play at the end of the game,wow was that a waste of precious time

[ozzie]

nice running play at the end of the game,wow was that a waste of precious time

Worse part here is, rumors are that AU is considering offering Pat Nix (former Auburn QB and current Miami OC) their O.C. position.

Considering what he's had to work with during his few years at Miami, he's not done terrible... but tonight was a disaster of play calling and clock management.

[cougarjake13]

Worse part here is, rumors are that AU is considering offering Pat Nix (former Auburn QB and current Miami OC) their O.C. position.

Considering what he's had to work with during his few years at Miami, he's not done terrible... but tonight was a disaster of play calling and clock management.

did not having the suspended players hurt at all ??

[ozzie]

did not having the suspended players hurt at all ??

Hurt the play calling at the end of the first and second half?

How would it?

It wasn't like this was Jacory Harris's first game.

Besides their "starting" QB, the other four were the punt snapper, two tight ends and a linebacker. Not exactly key elements of running a two minute drill.

I didn't say shit about Miami losing the game. I didn't expect them to win, and had Cal picked on my bowl pick'em.

I was just evaluating Pat Nix and Randy Shannon, and the job they did calling plays and managing the clock in this bowl game.

[cougarjake13]

Hurt the play calling at the end of the first and second half?

How would it?

It wasn't like this was Jacory Harris's first game.

Besides their "starting" QB, the other four were the punt snapper, two tight ends and a linebacker. Not exactly key elements of running a two minute drill.

I didn't say shit about Miami losing the game. I didn't expect them to win, and had Cal picked on my bowl pick'em.

I was just evaluating Pat Nix and Randy Shannon, and the job they did calling plays and managing the clock in this bowl game.



no i was just asking if it hurt

didnt pay much attention to who got suspended other than marve cause he's a local guy and they spoke about it on the sports talk shows

[SP1!]

no i was just asking if it hurt

didnt pay much attention to who got suspended other than marve cause he's a local guy and they spoke about it on the sports talk shows

It hurt a little but the coaching at the end of the halves was horrible, they had plenty of time at the end of both halves to at least get a FG but were just horrendous in the play calling.

This game was closer than it should have been, given the suspensions and I really thought cal would blow them away.

[ozzie]

Stuck at work and can't watch the Rutgers game.

Anyone have an audio link?

Tried XM online (which I rarely use), but I don't see it listed.

[JimBeam]

All-America tackle barred from Sugar Bowl

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls08/news/story?id=3798417

This will probably just prevent it from being the blowout I expect.

[JimBeam]

Sources: Chavis to be LSU's defensive coordinator

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3797839

[Snoogans]

Teel still drives me nuts. He can look so good and then AWFUL

[SP1!]

No but Im watching it here http://www.justin.tv/twwtv

[ozzie]

This sucks. I thought I'd be able to sneak out after lunch today and catch the game.

I thought XM carried all of the major conferences now.

Oh, and ESPN radio is saying that Andre Davis had "improper dealing$ with an agent".

[Snoogans]

This sucks. I thought I'd be able to sneak out after lunch today and catch the game.

I thought XM carried all of the major conferences now.

Oh, and ESPN radio is saying that Andre Davis had "improper dealing$ with an agent".

Game is on XM 140

[SP1!]

Stuck at work and can't watch the Rutgers game.

Anyone have an audio link?

Tried XM online (which I rarely use), but I don't see it listed.

may work (http://www.streamaudio.com/stations/player/pages/newplayer/index_win.asp?Owner=&public=&headertext=WCNN_AM&Station=WCNN_AM&Mac=No&OptIn=&Streamtype=&filename=)


otherwise try http://680thefan.com/

[JimBeam]

I need NC St to hold Rutgers to a FG here if not stop them altogether.

NC St was driving and that QB threw a pick on Rutgers' 32.

1st and goal Rutgers now w/ 1:50 left.

The ACC sucks more than anybody.

[Snoogans]

I need NC St to hold Rutgers to a FG here if not stop them altogether.

NC St was driving and that QB threw a pick on Rutgers' 32.

1st and goal Rutgers now w/ 1:50 left.

The ACC sucks more than anybody.

Wisconsin and the Big Ten arent happy with this statement


and dont fuck this up teel, cover the damn 7.5

[JimBeam]

4th & goal, up 3 ?

You kick that FG damn you !!!

[JimBeam]

They took a delay of game penalty so they may try the FG.

[JimBeam]

Sweet !!!

W/ the 7 points NC St is up 1 in the Bowl Pick'em.

[Snoogans]

Mike Teel is a faggot. I dont care what happens. he is a faggot. Good Riddance

[ozzie]

Worse part here is, rumors are that AU is considering offering Pat Nix (former Auburn QB and current Miami OC) their O.C. position.

Considering what he's had to work with during his few years at Miami, he's not done terrible... but tonight was a disaster of play calling and clock management.

NIX... FIRED! (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3799071)

SO glad that Auburn locked up Gus before he became available.

[mdr55]

Mike Teel is a faggot. I dont care what happens. he is a faggot. Good Riddance


Does he hold the record for most bowl games for a Rutgers QB?

[Snoogans]

Does he hold the record for most bowl games for a Rutgers QB?

considering before 2000 they went to 1 ever, yea id say so

[SP1!]

Mike Teel is a faggot. I dont care what happens. he is a faggot. Good Riddance

I know you hate him but it seemed like in good protection he was pretty good, when he got any pressure he sucked, seems that could have been worked on during the year.

[Snoogans]

I know you hate him but it seemed like in good protection he was pretty good, when he got any pressure he sucked, seems that could have been worked on during the year.

It wasn't only that. There were times in the first half of the year he had all day to throw and would just force one. Also, he would go to Britt way too much, and usually would just stare him down. Once he finally remembered Underwood and Brown play there, he got better, but he isn't good. He has all the tools and none of the brain

[JimBeam]

I wanted to punch Chase Daniel's sister or whoever that was in the stands right at the end of regulation.

She had this major pissy look on her face when the kicker missed that game winning FG.

I wanted to scream at her " Well maybe if your handjob of a brother didn't throw 3 picks and didn't almost throw 5 others they wouldn't have needed that kick. "

[pennington]

Mike Teel is a faggot. I dont care what happens. he is a faggot. Good Riddance

Now that Teel is officially gone for good, what about next year?

As far as I can see, Shiano has done nothing to groom the next starter. Next year expect a lot of comments from him about how he's "waiting to see who's going to step up" and he "hasn't made any decisions yet" right up to opening day.

How long before we hear that "this is a rebuilding year"? After 5 or 6 games?

[Snoogans]

Now that Teel is officially gone for good, what about next year?

As far as I can see, Shiano has done nothing to groom the next starter. Next year expect a lot of comments from him about how he's "waiting to see who's going to step up" and he "hasn't made any decisions yet" right up to opening day.

How long before we hear that "this is a rebuilding year"? After 5 or 6 games?

If I had to guess, we will head into next year with DC Jefferson as a starter. They will either redshirt or spend the year grooming Tom Savage, who comes in this spring, to be the next QB, and they will keep Chris Paul Etienne close by to use how they used to use Lovelace in Teel's first couple years.

They rave about Jefferson's arm and accuracy, but he isn't much of a runner. Luckily and hopefully, with pretty much every RB coming back next year, including oft injured Kordell Young, They will have a better running game and be able to make up for some of that.

Luckily for the team, they are pretty young, including the offensive line, which will be better next year. The only real cross your fingers is hoping Britt comes back, but I just don't see that, since it really wouldnt make sense.

And I dont think we will hear it. They really underperformed the first half of this year, and all the guys who come back wont let that happen. They will go back to more running and defense, but I think, esp with the state of the Big East, that they can win another 7-9 games next year.

[Snoogans]

As of right now, the only 2 locked in Out of conf games for Rutgers next year are Army and Maryland. 3 others still TBA

According to rivals, they rank 30th right now in recruiting class, not a bad spot if you consider how far they fell after the first 6 games. They had kids who had committed tryin to jump, and they held most of those kids and picked up another 4 star HB.

i think they will be ok, esp if the big east doesnt take a major step foward.

[SP1!]

It wasn't only that. There were times in the first half of the year he had all day to throw and would just force one. Also, he would go to Britt way too much, and usually would just stare him down. Once he finally remembered Underwood and Brown play there, he got better, but he isn't good. He has all the tools and none of the brain

Well I guess I didnt just see enough of him playing, he didnt have a decent running back this year did he? I forget the guys name last year but it was someone defenses had to plan for and made him look less horrible.

[Snoogans]

Well I guess I didnt just see enough of him playing, he didnt have a decent running back this year did he? I forget the guys name last year but it was someone defenses had to plan for and made him look less horrible.

You forgot the name Ray Rice?

Kordell young was good the few times he was healthy, brooks wasn't terrible, and Joe Martinek also played pretty well at times. Some of it was coaching mistakes, but most of the issues when the team was losing were Mike Teel, and Schiano's undying love for him

[SP1!]

You forgot the name Ray Rice?

Kordell young was good the few times he was healthy, brooks wasn't terrible, and Joe Martinek also played pretty well at times. Some of it was coaching mistakes, but most of the issues when the team was losing were Mike Teel, and Schiano's undying love for him

Yeah I did!

Its easy to forget if you dont see him every week or he didnt make a splash at the team he went to, hell I dont even know who drafted him or if he even got drafted.

He was a good college runner though and I didnt see any of the other RBs really making that much of an impact yesterday.

[Snoogans]

Yeah I did!

Its easy to forget if you dont see him every week or he didnt make a splash at the team he went to, hell I dont even know who drafted him or if he even got drafted.

He was a good college runner though and I didnt see any of the other RBs really making that much of an impact yesterday.

baltimore took him and he wasnt terrible i guess. he had one real big game i think, like 150 yards or something

[JimBeam]

Saw on the ticker that Stanley Havili from USC is acedemically ineligible for the Rose Bowl.

That works in Penn St's favor.

[Snoogans]

Saw on the ticker that Stanley Havili from USC is acedemically ineligible for the Rose Bowl.

That works in Penn St's favor.

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[JimBeam]

Ok St may still win this game and it's possible that the Big 12 could still go 6-0 but I still think that conference sucks.

[JimBeam]

Oh and Western Michigan sucks as well.

[Snoogans]

What a fuckin second half this has been. Jesus this is why i dont care if they never make a playoff. Whatever or not this means, how can you not get into a fuckin game like this. Every year there are at least 15 great games. And this year it seems they have been comin one after another

[SP1!]

What a fuckin second half this has been. Jesus this is why i dont care if they never make a playoff. Whatever or not this means, how can you not get into a fuckin game like this. Every year there are at least 15 great games. And this year it seems they have been comin one after another

I think they would be more gut wrenching if there was something more to play for if you won, just an opinion.

I also think this bowl year is why the WAC should not be considered a real conference, they have gotten demolished in almost every game, even the maryland game wasnt really that close and Notre Dame kicked the shit out of hawaii, we can all agree ND sucked this year.

[Snoogans]

i dont even care about what its for. This game is awesome. WHAT A FUCKIN STAND right there

[SP1!]

Oh and does anyone else think robert marve from miami is a big fucking pussy?

I knew he was a douche ever since I saw his initials tattooed on the back of his biceps, now hes bitching that he couldnt play for shannon? He seems like a great coach who wont accept someone giving up on the team, sounds like the kind of guy you should want to play for, what a douche.

Yeah and I understand the games are great but did you see most of the games? They are empty and I think some bowls will be gone soon if they dont draw more asses to the seats.

[Snoogans]

Oh and does anyone else think robert marve from miami is a big fucking pussy?

I knew he was a douche ever since I saw his initials tattooed on the back of his biceps, now hes bitching that he couldnt play for shannon? He seems like a great coach who wont accept someone giving up on the team, sounds like the kind of guy you should want to play for, what a douche.

Yeah and I understand the games are great but did you see most of the games? They are empty and I think some bowls will be gone soon if they dont draw more asses to the seats.

i think he is using that as a cop out because they told him he would have to battle for the job in spring and he wasnt the current leader

and i think its part the economy this year. Yea there is too many bowls, but the games were fuckin solid

[cougarjake13]

What a fuckin second half this has been. Jesus this is why i dont care if they never make a playoff. Whatever or not this means, how can you not get into a fuckin game like this. Every year there are at least 15 great games. And this year it seems they have been comin one after another

it was great


so far ive enjoyed all the bowls ive watched

[ozzie]

i think he is using that as a cop out because they told him he would have to battle for the job in spring and he wasnt the current leader

and i think its part the economy this year. Yea there is too many bowls, but the games were fuckin solid

This game was a good one, I'm not taking that away or trying to piss on anyone's parade, but in the end, it was no more meaningful than a regular season game between two teams that were already out of contention.

I agree with SP1. We'll never know the real drama and excitement of postseason college football until there's something more to play for than the Pacific Life Holiday Bowl trophy.

But, yeah, I'm a hypocrite. As much as I scream for a playoff, I watch every bowl game I can, and will probably break down and buy a ticket to the stupid GMAC bowl to see Gus Malzahn's Tulsa offense in person.

Oh, and I had a feeling watching Missouri last night that we might have been watching the beginning of the EXPOSURE of the overrated Big 12 conference. Tonight furthered that idea.

Sucks because I've got Texas Tech, Kansas and Texas picked to win their games. (No spread, thank God)

[Snoogans]

This game was a good one, I'm not taking that away or trying to piss on anyone's parade, but in the end, it was no more meaningful than a regular season game between two teams that were already out of contention.

I agree with SP1. We'll never know the real drama and excitement of postseason college football until there's something more to play for than the Pacific Life Holiday Bowl trophy.

But, yeah, I'm a hypocrite. As much as I scream for a playoff, I watch every bowl game I can, and will probably break down and buy a ticket to the stupid GMAC bowl to see Gus Malzahn's Tulsa offense in person.

Oh, and I had a feeling watching Missouri last night that we might have been watching the beginning of the EXPOSURE of the overrated Big 12 conference. Tonight furthered that idea.

Sucks because I've got Texas Tech, Kansas and Texas picked to win their games. (No spread, thank God)

see here is the thing. the game to me is about the game. If those kids give everything they have to win that game, and it ends up being a great game on the field, then why isnt it exciting? Its not like they put out less effort because it wasnt for the championship

[SP1!]

This game was a good one, I'm not taking that away or trying to piss on anyone's parade, but in the end, it was no more meaningful than a regular season game between two teams that were already out of contention.

I agree with SP1. We'll never know the real drama and excitement of postseason college football until there's something more to play for than the Pacific Life Holiday Bowl trophy.

But, yeah, I'm a hypocrite. As much as I scream for a playoff, I watch every bowl game I can, and will probably break down and buy a ticket to the stupid GMAC bowl to see Gus Malzahn's Tulsa offense in person.

Oh, and I had a feeling watching Missouri last night that we might have been watching the beginning of the EXPOSURE of the overrated Big 12 conference. Tonight furthered that idea.

Sucks because I've got Texas Tech, Kansas and Texas picked to win their games. (No spread, thank God)

Yeah me too, I want a playoff but I have watched every game, its my last grasp for the season and I dont want it to end, I will even be watching the senior bowls in a couple months.

God Im sick.

[ozzie]

see here is the thing. the game to me is about the game. If those kids give everything they have to win that game, and it ends up being a great game on the field, then why isnt it exciting? Its not like they put out less effort because it wasnt for the championship

It is. Never said it was LESS exciting than every other regular season game.

I'll turn the question around and ask you if you think that this game was any MORE exciting because they were on a neutral field, in a half empty stadium, without many of their home fans, and because one team won a trophy?

If this were a weeknight game, during week 11, when neither had a chance to win their conference... I still would have watched, and enjoyed it. Being the "Holiday Bowl" didn't add anything to it.

I watch every game all year that I can, including the bowls. Hell, I got excited this year seeing stupid Ball State end the year undefeated, and even stayed on the edge of my seat watching Middle Tennessee State on a Tuesday night this year.

I'm not taking anything away from the game, or the efforts that most teams put into their preparation or play during these games.

I'm just saying that if underdog Oregon was moving on to play in the next round of a playoff, it would have been MORE exciting.

Illinois knocked off #11 Purdue, on the road, in OT tonight. Great game, but few probably watched, or care, or probaby remember it.

If they do it again in March, in the tournament? Big difference.

[ozzie]

Yeah me too, I want a playoff but I have watched every game, its my last grasp for the season and I dont want it to end, I will even be watching the senior bowls in a couple months.

God Im sick.

You and me both. I was AT the Senior Bowl last year. I'll probably take off work to go see a few of the practices. They're usually better than the games anyway. You should see these guys go at it for the NFL scouts and coaches there. The whole week is like an NFL coaches convention down here. I ran into Wade Phillips at the casino in Biloxi the year before he was named the Cowboys head coach.

[Snoogans]

It is. Never said it was LESS exciting than every other regular season game.

I'll turn the question around and ask you if you think that this game was any MORE exciting because they were on a neutral field, in a half empty stadium, without many of their home fans, and because one team won a trophy?

If this were a weeknight game, during week 11, when neither had a chance to win their conference... I still would have watched, and enjoyed it. Being the "Holiday Bowl" didn't add anything to it.

.

To be honest. I didnt once notice how many people were in the crowd, all I was watching was the game. Would it add some extra level of excitement cause its a playoff, yea cause there is an extra thing. But I dont think I would enjoy the game more then I did tonight if it was a playoff game. Cause for the game that i watched, it was awesome

[Coach_Mac]

Ok St may still win this game and it's possible that the Big 12 could still go 6-0 but I still think that conference sucks.


You think the Big 12 sucks. You think the strongest conference in the country this year sucks. You must watch a lot of college football.

[SP1!]

To be honest. I didnt once notice how many people were in the crowd, all I was watching was the game. Would it add some extra level of excitement cause its a playoff, yea cause there is an extra thing. But I dont think I would enjoy the game more then I did tonight if it was a playoff game. Cause for the game that i watched, it was awesome
Oh it was a great game but if the attendance is like this in more bowl games you can expect a few of them to fold, OK states was ok but quite a few of these are having shit attendance this year.

You think the Big 12 sucks. You think the strongest conference in the country this year sucks. You must watch a lot of college football.
There is a very good possibility that the big 12 may only win 2 more bowl games this year and the only reason they will win those games is because they play shitty teams.

[JimBeam]

You think the Big 12 sucks. You think the strongest conference in the country this year sucks. You must watch a lot of college football.

It was such a great conference that it's conference runner-up had to take a team from the way down Big 10, that had previoulsy lost to a 3-9 Indiana team, into overtime.

Then possibly it's 4th best team loses to a team from the very weak PAC10.

You think the conference is the strongest becasue they put up big scores against each other ?

What we're seeing so far in the bowl games is that their defenses sucked.

The SEC sent just as many teams to BCS bowls so why is the Big 12 the greatest ?

Because you got caught up in the hype of some 8:00 Saturday games on ABC ?

[toolshed]

ACC FTW!

Just kiddin.

[JimBeam]

I can't believe the SEC isn't playing their 1st game until today.

[SP1!]

It was such a great conference that it's conference runner-up had to take a team from the way down Big 10, that had previoulsy lost to a 3-9 Indiana team, into overtime.

Then possibly it's 4th best team loses to a team from the very weak PAC10.

You think the conference is the strongest becasue they put up big scores against each other ?

What we're seeing so far in the bowl games is that their defenses sucked.

The SEC sent just as many teams to BCS bowls so why is the Big 12 the greatest ?

Because you got caught up in the hype of some 8:00 Saturday games on ABC ?
I think the last few games showed that the big 12 really doesnt play good defense at all, oregon is an average team yet put up a ton on them, its a sad reality that most pac 10 people seem to be just know accepting.

I can't believe the SEC isn't playing their 1st game until today.
I can, the SEC draws a ton of people to the games and to the TV, which is what this is all about, money.

[Coach_Mac]

It was such a great conference that it's conference runner-up had to take a team from the way down Big 10, that had previoulsy lost to a 3-9 Indiana team, into overtime.

Then possibly it's 4th best team loses to a team from the very weak PAC10.

You think the conference is the strongest becasue they put up big scores against each other ?

What we're seeing so far in the bowl games is that their defenses sucked.

The SEC sent just as many teams to BCS bowls so why is the Big 12 the greatest ?

Because you got caught up in the hype of some 8:00 Saturday games on ABC ?

I didn't get caught up in any hype I watched them play all year. Missouri (conference runner up techically but probably the 5th best team) has been getting worse every week and it showed in the bowl. Ok St is good and the Pac 10 sucks but Orego does not. They are a very good team that can put 60 on the board any given week. and they've been on fire towards the end of the season. I am not saying our defenses are as good as the SEC but our offenses are some of the best college football has ever seen. Different teams get up big for bowl games so even if the Big 12 doesn't do great in them doesn't mean the conference sucks. The SEC is the only possible conf. you can say might be as good and I will say some years they are, but not this year. And there is such a thing as a non conference schedule. It's not like they are just scoring on each other.

[JimBeam]

Is it just me or are the choices for the Pontiac Game Changing Performance, w/ the exception of Crabtree's TD, pretty lame ?

[Snoogans]

Big East is 3-0 so far.....just sayin

[SP1!]

Orego does not. They are a very good team that can put 60 on the board any given week. and they've been on fire towards the end of the season. I am not saying our defenses are as good as the SEC but our offenses are some of the best college football has ever seen. Different teams get up big for bowl games so even if the Big 12 doesn't do great in them doesn't mean the conference sucks. The SEC is the only possible conf. you can say might be as good and I will say some years they are, but not this year. And there is such a thing as a non conference schedule. It's not like they are just scoring on each other.
Those offenses get shut down easily, it will be interesting to see how TT does against mississippi and if they can get 60 against one of the middle of the pack SEC teams.

Big East is 3-0 so far.....just sayin

Yeah and look who they played, that has to factor into it and none of those wins were very impressive.

[ozzie]

Yeah, gotta look at the match-ups to make any sense out of the conference records.

The Pac 10 is 3 - 0 now, and could end up 5 - 0.

I just realized that of the 8 SEC teams playing, I've only got Florida, Bama and Georgia picked to win.

[Snoogans]

Those offenses get shut down easily, it will be interesting to see how TT does against mississippi and if they can get 60 against one of the middle of the pack SEC teams.



Yeah and look who they played, that has to factor into it and none of those wins were very impressive.

it was a joke fool

[JimBeam]

I think I have Mich St beating UGA.

I factored in UGA's inability to win the big game.

[ozzie]

I think I have Mich St beating UGA.

I factored in UGA's inability to win the big game.

I thought about that, but the way MSU was dominated by OSU and Penn State, I couldn't see them stopping Knowshon and Stafford.

Anyone watching the Houston vs Air Force game?

Stuck at work again, and all I have is the ESPN gamecast.

[Snoogans]

I thought about that, but the way MSU was dominated by OSU and Penn State, I couldn't see them stopping Knowshon and Stafford.

Anyone watching the Houston vs Air Force game?

Stuck at work again, and all I have is the ESPN gamecast.

im watching it. In terms of outcome its been exciting, but not a very well played football game. Very very sloppy. Houston should be up at least 2 TDs

[disneyspy]

watchin pitt/ore st,good defensive game,3-0 0SU

[Coach_Mac]

Those offenses get shut down easily, it will be interesting to see how TT does against mississippi and if they can get 60 against one of the middle of the pack SEC teams.


Yeah and look who they played, that has to factor into it and none of those wins were very impressive.

First of all 60 is a pretty high number and Ole Miss is not middle of the pack defensively. Their O sucks but remember they beat Florida.

[Snoogans]

watchin pitt/ore st,good defensive game,3-0 0SU

Yea this game blows so far

[JimBeam]

Their O sucks but remember they beat Florida.

Yes and also lost to Vandy and South Carolina.

They gave up 31 points to South Carolina who only scored 30 or more against one other SEC team.

I think Texas Tech wins this one handily but I don't think it'll show that the Big 12 is greater than the SEC.

That will be settled in the title game I think.

[Snoogans]

seriously? YMCA????

[Snoogans]

ive given up on the pitt game. Im watchin Vandy

[SP1!]

Yeah, gotta look at the match-ups to make any sense out of the conference records.

The Pac 10 is 3 - 0 now, and could end up 5 - 0.

I just realized that of the 8 SEC teams playing, I've only got Florida, Bama and Georgia picked to win.
Yeah all the SEC teams have pretty hard games ahead of them, Im not sure that Tech beats LSU either, if a team can run and pass then LSU has problems but a one dimensional team they seem to do ok against. I know Im probably tainted by my hatred for tech and its fans since they had to talk so much shit since they finally won a game in 8 years. Still, I think that game is a little closer than people will expect.

I thought about that, but the way MSU was dominated by OSU and Penn State, I couldn't see them stopping Knowshon and Stafford.

Anyone watching the Houston vs Air Force game?

Stuck at work again, and all I have is the ESPN gamecast.
Did that link not work for you yesterday? 680 is the local espn station and they have most of the games on there.

I can see georgia playing an all around game for the first time this year since they will be healthier this game than most others, if they do then it wont be close but if willie sees them getting a big lead all bets are off since he sucks at calling defensive schemes. That kind of sucks since hes our defensive coordinator.

watchin pitt/ore st,good defensive game,3-0 0SU
Pitt had a decent defense some days but other games they looked horrible.

First of all 60 is a pretty high number and Ole Miss is not middle of the pack defensively. Their O sucks but remember they beat Florida.
Yeah and a broken clock is right twice a day, whats your point? They just caught florida napping.

Yes and also lost to Vandy and South Carolina.

They gave up 31 points to South Carolina who only scored 30 or more against one other SEC team.

I think Texas Tech wins this one handily but I don't think it'll show that the Big 12 is greater than the SEC.

That will be settled in the title game I think.
If I had some spare money to bet I would take ole miss and the points since I think it will be a really close game.

[Snoogans]

im a fan of some defense, but jesus this pitt game is boring. Guess im stickin with vandy the rest of the time

[Coach_Mac]

Yeah and a broken clock is right twice a day, whats your point? They just caught florida napping.


If I had some spare money to bet I would take ole miss and the points since I think it will be a really close game.

My point is they have a defense with several draft picks including a 1st rounder. They are probably the 3rd best SEC team. At least the 4th best. And Florida is the most talented team in the country. Even if you catch them napping they're tough to beat.

[Coach_Mac]

When did the pussiness of the country roll over into football?! A personal foul for a good clean hit? I hate how much refs try to control the freaking game! Vany WILL win BECAUSE of that call!

[Snoogans]

Georgia Tech is awesome

[SP1!]

My point is they have a defense with several draft picks including a 1st rounder. They are probably the 3rd best SEC team. At least the 4th best. And Florida is the most talented team in the country. Even if you catch them napping they're tough to beat.
Yeah I know that the pundits have you thinking that but they arent the 3rd best, hell they arent even the 4th best, I would put them 6th, maybe 5th on a good day.

Georgia Tech is awesome
Yeah if georgia had an average defensive coordinator we would have stomped them, this team is so one dimensional its pathetic and they are getting shown out tonight.

[Snoogans]

and how the fuck are you gonna fake a punt at your own 20

[SP1!]

and how the fuck are you gonna fake a punt at your own 20

That shit worked against georgia because our defensive coordinator is quite possibly the worst defensive coach at any level in the nation, fuck willie.

[SP1!]

Wow, has anyone ever went to the ESPN boards? I went there just to check my account and there are some real idiots over there, makes me look downright sane.

[Coach_Mac]

[QUOTE=SP1!;2038850]Yeah I know that the pundits have you thinking that but they arent the 3rd best, hell they arent even the 4th best, I would put them 6th, maybe 5th on a good day.
QUOTE]

Quit acting like I listen to what ESPN says and taking as my own. Nobody on this board watches more college football than me. Who besides Florida, Bama, and MAYBE Georgia is better? And yes, it's easy to say LSU after tonight but they didn't play like this all year.

[Snoogans]

[QUOTE=SP1!;2038850]Yeah I know that the pundits have you thinking that but they arent the 3rd best, hell they arent even the 4th best, I would put them 6th, maybe 5th on a good day.
QUOTE]

Quit acting like I listen to what ESPN says and taking as my own. Nobody on this board watches more college football than me. Who besides Florida, Bama, and MAYBE Georgia is better? And yes, it's easy to say LSU after tonight but they didn't play like this all year.

i watched every minute of every game this season

[Snoogans]

is that really necessary? Fake punt, really LSU?

[SP1!]

Yeah I know that the pundits have you thinking that but they arent the 3rd best, hell they arent even the 4th best, I would put them 6th, maybe 5th on a good day.

Quit acting like I listen to what ESPN says and taking as my own. Nobody on this board watches more college football than me. Who besides Florida, Bama, and MAYBE Georgia is better? And yes, it's easy to say LSU after tonight but they didn't play like this all year.
Really? Cause you repeat their lines on the board, I would put vandy and SC above them, lsu would be just behind them, if it wasnt for LEE they would have been a force this year.

is that really necessary? Fake punt, really LSU?
Welcome to Les miles world, hes a douche

[JimBeam]

I too would also put Vandy & South Carolina ahead of Ole Miss because as I previously posted both of those teams beat Ole Miss.

[Coach_Mac]

Really? Cause you repeat their lines on the board, I would put vandy and SC above them, lsu would be just behind them, if it wasnt for LEE they would have been a force this year.




Maybe I sound like Herbstreit because we both know the game. There is no way SC or Vandy is better. You gonna say Wyoming is better than Tennessee? They beat them. Ole Miss is not better than Florida, but they beat them. The best team doesn't always win. Right now, today, Ole Miss is the 3rd or 4th best team in the SEC.

[SP1!]

Maybe I sound like Herbstreit because we both know the game. There is no way SC or Vandy is better. You gonna say Wyoming is better than Tennessee? They beat them. Ole Miss is not better than Florida, but they beat them. The best team doesn't always win. Right now, today, Ole Miss is the 3rd or 4th best team in the SEC.

LOL now I know you are full of shit, herbstreit barely knows the game about like you, he talks in conjecture and whats on paper, usually hes wrong, mainly because he doesnt know emotion or factor that in just like when he played emotionless games.

Ole miss is not as good as you somehow think they are, they got lucky that they played in the SEC west since the only real hard team on that side is bama.

I still give them a decent shot at beating TT though and I would laugh my ass off if TT and texas both lose, unlikely but it could happen.

[Snoogans]

South Carolina came to play today

[SP1!]

South Carolina came to play today

LOL yeah this is the game they dreaded, garcia is ok but if he has a bad day it just gets a lot worse and then he tries forcing balls into bad coverage, he gets hot and cold, usually cold, Im shocked spurrier has kept him on the team this long.

Whats funny is that they are 21 points up on the team but have given up less that 200 yards of total offense to Iowa, if it wasnt for their fuckups this would be a good game.

[Snoogans]

by the way did I see this right? There is 10 ACC teams in bowl games? Really?

[Snoogans]

Green is nasty btw. Someone remind me why I didn't hear shit about this guy for the Heisman?

[Coach_Mac]

LOL now I know you are full of shit, herbstreit barely knows the game about like you, he talks in conjecture and whats on paper, usually hes wrong, mainly because he doesnt know emotion or factor that in just like when he played emotionless games.

Ole miss is not as good as you somehow think they are, they got lucky that they played in the SEC west since the only real hard team on that side is bama.

I still give them a decent shot at beating TT though and I would laugh my ass off if TT and texas both lose, unlikely but it could happen.

First of all, you're just like everyone else that thinks they're cool saying Herbstreit doesn't know the game. He watches more college football than anyone and if you listen to the stuff he says, you don't have to agree with it but he knows every team. I don't always agree with him but yes, he does know the game. It's real popular not to like him.

And if Bama is the only strong SEC west team then the SEC only has 3 good teams and that wouldn't be right would it? Oh yea, you somehow think SC and Vandy are good.

[Coach_Mac]

by the way did I see this right? There is 10 ACC teams in bowl games? Really?

Nobody could step up and dominate the conference. And Virginia was 1 win away from being eligible and Duke actually had a decent year by it's standards.

[weekapaugjz]

ive got my penn state jersey on counting down the minutes until 4:30.

LET'S GO PENN STATE!!!

[SP1!]

First of all, you're just like everyone else that thinks they're cool saying Herbstreit doesn't know the game. He watches more college football than anyone and if you listen to the stuff he says, you don't have to agree with it but he knows every team. I don't always agree with him but yes, he does know the game. It's real popular not to like him.

And if Bama is the only strong SEC west team then the SEC only has 3 good teams and that wouldn't be right would it? Oh yea, you somehow think SC and Vandy are good.

No herbstreit knows very little of SEC football, and I really dont think he watches that many games, he gets recaps and spends a lot of time rehearsing his lines. I have never liked him or most of the analysts because they dont admit their biases.

SC and vandy are good, the SEC east have at least 3-4 teams that would have been in the second spot in the west and one team that would have been above bama. The west was really weak this year with auburn sucking, ark sucking, and miss state sucking, LSU was bad when LEE was playing and above average when he was out of the game.

God Im sick of this UGA game, their offense which had been good all year is stinking up the place and its not like they are getting killed by the defense stafford just isnt hitting his receivers.

[SP1!]

ive got my penn state jersey on counting down the minutes until 4:30.

LET'S GO PENN STATE!!!

Im so sorry for your loss.

[JimBeam]

So you wanna throw out Vandy's win against Ole Miss as " anybody can win " but then you wanna hap on the fact that Ole Miss beat UF ?

So when is a game dumb luck and when should it be considered something to note ?

The thing is if Vandy and Ole Miss play again they could easily split the games but if Ole Miss played UF again they'd lose every single game.

[JimBeam]

This Nebraska/Clemson game looks like it could have a 3-0 final.

[weekapaugjz]

Im so sorry for your loss.

we'll see. penn state is HIGHLY underrated.

[JimBeam]

I've been looking forward to the Rose Bowl as I figured it'd be the best game along w/ the title game.

I'm actually at my mother-in-law's house in PA and I'm gonna be watching it at the lodge here and realized that I'll be in a bar full of probable Penn St fans and rooting for USC.

I better temper my enthusiasm.

[Coach_Mac]

So you wanna throw out Vandy's win against Ole Miss as " anybody can win " but then you wanna hap on the fact that Ole Miss beat UF ?

So when is a game dumb luck and when should it be considered something to note ?

The thing is if Vandy and Ole Miss play again they could easily split the games but if Ole Miss played UF again they'd lose every single game.

If you are talking to me then no, exactly the opposite...Ole Miss is absolutely not better than Florida but they have the talent to beat them and they did. Vandy is not better than Ole Miss but they have the talent to beat them and they did. My point was that the legitimatly better team usually wins, but not always.

And I aggree with you that certain teams are better now than at one point in the season. Rutgers sucked at the begining of the year, Florida is the hottest team in the country...but Ole Miss is on that "hot" list too. They've won 5 in a row after losing to Bama on the road in a close game.

[Snoogans]

Georgia put it on Michigan State in the second half

[cougarjake13]

Georgia put it on Michigan State in the second half

yeh i was geting worried cause i picked georgia to win

[JimBeam]

Mich St was getting back into it.

Bastards.

[cougarjake13]

Mich St was getting back into it.

Bastards.

not so much

[Epschtein]

this is the first bowl game im truly excited about, it has great potential if penn state can keep it from getting away from them.

good that they are getting the ball first, come right out and set the pace with a long drive followed by a quick defensive stop.

[JimBeam]

Mussberger's a moron.

After 1 series by each team he goes to commercial w/ this fantastic point " Well some people said this would be low scoring. "

Yeah no shit. Most games are low scoring after 6 plays and 2 punts.

Oh and I see the ACC lost another game ( Nebraska over Clemson ).

Nice job.

[SP1!]

we'll see. penn state is HIGHLY underrated.

Yeah keep thinking that, Im shocked USC has only one touchdown at this point.

I still expect them to beat PSU by at least 3 TDs

[weekapaugjz]

Yeah keep thinking that, Im shocked USC has only one touchdown at this point.

I still expect them to beat PSU by at least 3 TDs

im glad you expect that.

[Epschtein]

7-7 at the end of the first and USC is lucky to be tied, two huge mistakes by PSU cost them.

advantage so far - definitely penn state.

[cougarjake13]

7-7 at the end of the first and USC is lucky to be tied, two huge mistakes by PSU cost them.

advantage so far - definitely penn state.




usc will still win

[JimBeam]

Advantage Penn St ?

Offensively USC is moving the ball at will and is fixing to score their 2nd TD in 3 possesions.

Penn St is not gonna win a shootout and USC will make the adjustments on defense and hopefully stop missing tackles and falling for the screen passes.

Good game so far.

[SP1!]

If you are talking to me then no, exactly the opposite...Ole Miss is absolutely not better than Florida but they have the talent to beat them and they did. Vandy is not better than Ole Miss but they have the talent to beat them and they did. My point was that the legitimatly better team usually wins, but not always.

And I aggree with you that certain teams are better now than at one point in the season. Rutgers sucked at the begining of the year, Florida is the hottest team in the country...but Ole Miss is on that "hot" list too. They've won 5 in a row after losing to Bama on the road in a close game.
No they aren't even better than vandy, ole miss got lucky, that is it. You have not watched any of there games or you would understand that.

Mich St was getting back into it.

Bastards.
No, they were never in this game, if it wasnt for fuck ups by georgias offense early it would have been 35-12, for some reason their defense showed up this game.

[Epschtein]

usc will still win

they probably will, i definitely think they should be favorites, im just saying that was about the best quarter PSU could have hoped for, take away the two bonehead penalties and they might have a lead right now.

but USC is starting to spread the field and their speed is starting to show. that drive by USC right then was penn state's worst nightmare. and watching the replay right now that was terrible defense by the outside rushers, terrible.

[JimBeam]

I was saying it was close when Mich St answered and made it 17-12.

If they hadn't given up that other TD and converted that 4th down late it could've been different.

Again a lot of ifs and buts to no avail.

[cougarjake13]

they probably will, i definitely think they should be favorites, im just saying that was about the best quarter PSU could have hoped for, take away the two bonehead penalties and they might have a lead right now.

but USC is starting to spread the field and their speed is starting to show. that drive by USC right then was penn state's worst nightmare. and watching the replay right now that was terrible defense by the outside rushers, terrible.

im for one glad


i hate blowouts

[JimBeam]

Penn St is getting very chippy after the tackles.

I think they are starting to get frustrated.

Either that or they're trying to " show USC that they are tough ".

That kinda thing could backfire.

[Coach_Mac]

[QUOTE=SP1!;2040057]No they aren't even better than vandy, ole miss got lucky, that is it. You have not watched any of there games or you would understand that.


QUOTE]

I live 45 minutes from Oxford. I went to the SC game. I watched 5 or 6 more on tv. You are absolutely crazy to think Vandy is better. I can't argue with crazy.

[weekapaugjz]

damn.

[razorboy]

Yay! More obligatory Pete Carroll nut fondling!

[JimBeam]

31-7

I don't think you can say it's over ..... but I think it's over.

That last TD was pretty much the same play Penn St ran earlier.

[Epschtein]

yeah, too big of a hole for PSU, ah well was hoping for a good game.

i have zero interest in the other bowl game tonight, guess i will watch the bruins.

[SP1!]

I was saying it was close when Mich St answered and made it 17-12.

If they hadn't given up that other TD and converted that 4th down late it could've been different.

Again a lot of ifs and buts to no avail.
The flow of the game would never allow it, MSU couldnt move the ball until UGA dropped back into prevent defense and if their QB would have been on target in the first half they would have won by 20.

No they aren't even better than vandy, ole miss got lucky, that is it. You have not watched any of there games or you would understand that.


I live 45 minutes from Oxford. I went to the SC game. I watched 5 or 6 more on tv. You are absolutely crazy to think Vandy is better. I can't argue with crazy.

Vandy is better, their linemen would eat up ole miss just like they did during the regular season, but then again thats crazy to say a team is better just cause they beat them during the regular season.

Oh and for our PSU people, I really wanted them to win but USC is just a lot better, its showing now that the big 10 was really down this year.

[JimBeam]

When you look at the numbers its easy to see that Vandy was the better teams.

Vandy went 3-3 against teams that played or are going to play in bowl games and that doesn't count their win in the bowl game.

Ole Miss went 2-4 against bowl teams an still has the bow game to play.

They both lost to Wake Forest w/ Vandy falling 23-10 and Ole Miss losing 30-28.
I think a case could be made for either as far as which loss was worse.

As far as worst losses go Vandy got beaten by UF 42-14 and while no loss that Ole Miss had was notable I'll say their head to head loss against Vandy is their worst.

They both went 2-2 against ranked teams during the year.

So right now Vandy has more wins against bowl teams ( who have gone 3-1 in the bowls so far ) than Ole Miss ( bowl teams are also 3-1 but that includes Vandy's win ).

When Ole Miss losses to Texas Tech they will be 2-5 against bowl teams.

[Coach_Mac]

When you look at the numbers its easy to see that Vandy was the better teams.

Vandy went 3-3 against teams that played or are going to play in bowl games and that doesn't count their win in the bowl game.

Ole Miss went 2-4 against bowl teams an still has the bow game to play.

They both lost to Wake Forest w/ Vandy falling 23-10 and Ole Miss losing 30-28.
I think a case could be made for either as far as which loss was worse.

As far as worst losses go Vandy got beaten by UF 42-14 and while no loss that Ole Miss had was notable I'll say their head to head loss against Vandy is their worst.

They both went 2-2 against ranked teams during the year.

So right now Vandy has more wins against bowl teams ( who have gone 3-1 in the bowls so far ) than Ole Miss ( bowl teams are also 3-1 but that includes Vandy's win ).

When Ole Miss losses to Texas Tech they will be 2-5 against bowl teams.

If you're gonna do it that way, Vandy lost to Duke, Miss St. and Tenn. 3 really bad teams. Ole Miss didn't lose to a team that's not in a bowl. And I hope you're right and Ole Miss does end up 2-5 against bowl teams. Wreck 'em Tech!

[SP1!]

If you're gonna do it that way, Vandy lost to Duke, Miss St. and Tenn. 3 really bad teams. Ole Miss didn't lose to a team that's not in a bowl. And I hope you're right and Ole Miss does end up 2-5 against bowl teams. Wreck 'em Tech!

Duke is not that bad of a team and tennessee is just the product of bad coaching, the only loss that is really bad is to miss state.

And wreck em tech? Is that TT? Why did they steal that from Ga tech?

[JimBeam]

But we're not talking about bad teams, we're talking about beating the the best of the best.

If your argument is that Ole Miss is better because they only lose to good teams I think you defeat your own point.

You can try and rationalize it all you like the fact is Vandy has more quaility wins AND beat Ole Miss head to head.

Arguing against that is how do you say crazy.

[JimBeam]

I don't think that hit was helmet to helmet.

Look like he came in more with his shoulder.

Oh well I guess word came from the ABC suits that the game had to be closer so now the calls will go against USC.

[SP1!]

But we're not talking about bad teams, we're talking about beating the the best of the best.

If your argument is that Ole Miss is better because they only lose to good teams I think you defeat your own point.

You can try and rationalize it all you like the fact is Vandy has more quaility wins AND beat Ole Miss head to head.

Arguing against that is how do you say crazy.

Well yeah but I was just talking about his point that duke and Tennessee being bad teams, I dont think duke is bad and they certainly arent as bad as they used to be and Tennessee will have 8-9 wins next year with essentially the same talent.

Head to head you cant argue that vandy is better, they won, ole miss didnt, case closed.


Oh and can we start writing ABC to get brent musberger fired? He is fucking awful and has been all season, I remember him in the ASU/UGA game he kept acting like ASU was ever in that game when they were shoved around the whole night.

[JimBeam]

No that last comment was based on what Coach had posted.

[Coach_Mac]

Duke is not that bad of a team and tennessee is just the product of bad coaching, the only loss that is really bad is to miss state.

And wreck em tech? Is that TT? Why did they steal that from Ga tech?

I wasn't aware Ga Tech has the same slogan. I don't know if we stole from them or "wreck" just makes sense with "tech".

And I can agree with Duke not being That bad this year but my point was 3 teams that finished with losing records.

[Coach_Mac]

Well yeah but I was just talking about his point that duke and Tennessee being bad teams, I dont think duke is bad and they certainly arent as bad as they used to be and Tennessee will have 8-9 wins next year with essentially the same talent.

Head to head you cant argue that vandy is better, they won, ole miss didnt, case closed.


Oh and can we start writing ABC to get brent musberger fired? He is fucking awful and has been all season, I remember him in the ASU/UGA game he kept acting like ASU was ever in that game when they were shoved around the whole night.

So every team that wins head to head is actually the better team?

[Epschtein]

that TD catch in the cincy game was ridiculous, i know i said i wasnt going to watch lol, cant help it.

[JimBeam]

Penn St made it a game towards the end but I still think it should be considered a blowout by USC.

Final score doesnt tell the story.

I will watch exactly zero seconds of that Va Tech/Cincy game.

No interest whatsover.

And I know somebody mentioned it earlier but how the hell did the ACC get 10 bowl teams ?

Did they play 2 conference games and then 10 games against FCS schools ?

How did 10 teams end up w/ at least 6 wins ?

[SP1!]

So every team that wins head to head is actually the better team?
9 times out of 10 yes that is true, even if its just for that day, even so they settled it on the field which is better than some douche on a message board comparing who they won and lost against to see who is better. They won on the field, they are better, case closed.

that TD catch in the cincy game was ridiculous, i know i said i wasnt going to watch lol, cant help it.

I completely forgot this game was on tonight, this is the who cares bowl with two of the worst teams that back doored their way into the BCS.

[Coach_Mac]

9 times out of 10 yes that is true, even if its just for that day, even so they settled it on the field which is better than some douche on a message board comparing who they won and lost against to see who is better. They won on the field, they are better, case closed.



I completely forgot this game was on tonight, this is the who cares bowl with two of the worst teams that back doored their way into the BCS.

Are you refering to me as a douche on a message board? Because comparing wins and losses is the exact opposite of my entire argument. I made the 1 statement about Duke, Tenn and MS St. because of something Jim Bean said but my whole point was that I watch these teams play week in and week out throughought the entire season and learn how good they really are instead of basing it on 1 game or clips I saw on Gameday.

But ok, we'll use your logic..."they won, they are better, case closed."

Just a quick announcement everyone...
Wyoming is better than Tennessee
Ole Miss is better than Florida
Middle Tennessee is better than Maryland
East Carolina is better than West Virginia and Viginia Tech
Oregon State is better than USC
Bowling Green is better than Pitt
oh, and last year Louisiana Monroe was better than Alabama

[PhilDeez]

I completely forgot this game was on tonight, this is the who cares bowl with two of the worst teams that back doored their way into the BCS.

I guess being one of three teams with 5 straight 10 win seasons makes you one of the worst teams?

[SP1!]

Are you refering to me as a douche on a message board? Because comparing wins and losses is the exact opposite of my entire argument. I made the 1 statement about Duke, Tenn and MS St. because of something Jim Bean said but my whole point was that I watch these teams play week in and week out throughought the entire season and learn how good they really are instead of basing it on 1 game or clips I saw on Gameday.

But ok, we'll use your logic..."they won, they are better, case closed."

Just a quick announcement everyone...
Wyoming is better than Tennessee
Ole Miss is better than Florida
Middle Tennessee is better than Maryland
East Carolina is better than West Virginia and Viginia Tech
Oregon State is better than USC
Bowling Green is better than Pitt
oh, and last year Louisiana Monroe was better than Alabama
On those days, yes they are, they proved it on the field how is that so hard to see?

Ole Miss is solid but if they play vandy 10 times they lose 9 times, just like if they play florida 10 time ole miss loses 9 times, that one day they were better but they didnt prove that over the course of the entire season. They breezed through the SEC west which was way down this year, anyone who watches football could see the better teams were in the SEC east.

I guess being one of three teams with 5 straight 10 win seasons makes you one of the worst teams?

If you think they are one the top 8 teams in the nation then you are insane, they are maybe top 15 at best and any of the other BCS teams would have stomped them.

Also those 5 straight 10 win seasons is mainly the product of being in terrible conferences.

[El Mudo]

Penn St made it a game towards the end but I still think it should be considered a blowout by USC.

Final score doesnt tell the story.

I will watch exactly zero seconds of that Va Tech/Cincy game.

No interest whatsover.

And I know somebody mentioned it earlier but how the hell did the ACC get 10 bowl teams ?

Did they play 2 conference games and then 10 games against FCS schools ?

How did 10 teams end up w/ at least 6 wins ?


They added another ACC Bowl tie in with the EagleBank Bowl in RFK this year featuring Navy against an ACC team

The Atlantic Coast Conference has nine bowl tie-ins.[1]

* #1 Bowl Championship Series. The winner of the ACC Championship Game receives an automatic berth to a BCS bowl game, most always the FedEx Orange Bowl.
* #2 The Chick-fil-A Bowl receives the second choice of ACC teams.
* #3 The Gator Bowl receives the third choice of ACC teams.
* #4 The Champs Sports Bowl receives the fourth choice of ACC teams.
* #5-7 The Music City Bowl, Meineke Car Care Bowl, and Emerald Bowl reach mutual agreement on which teams each will take with the fifth, sixth, and seventh selections. If mutual agreement cannot be reached, they receive the selection preference in the order given. The loser of the ACC Championship game is guaranteed to fall no lower than the Music City Bowl.
* #8 The Humanitarian Bowl receives the eighth choice of ACC teams.
* #9 The EagleBank Bowl receives the ninth choice of ACC teams.

[JimBeam]

But again how the hell did the conference end up w/ 10 eligible teams ?

I knew it was " competetive " all year, w/out a clear cut dominant team, but I had know idea how close it was.

... my whole point was that I watch these teams play week in and week out throughought the entire season and learn how good they really are instead of basing it on 1 game or clips I saw on Gameday.

I've seen LSU play in person dozens of times but that doesn't give me any more insight into the team than somebody who watched them on tv.

You watched those games and saw those teams play another team.

It's not like you saw Ole Miss play Vandy 10 times, w/ the same personnel and can w/out a doubt claim that Ole Miss is better.

Everybody can claim they watch/read/analyze college football more than another person but to tell the truth does that make their opinion any more valid ?

You've seen Ole Miss play in person let's say 6 times this year but how many times did you see Vanderbilt ?

Or Wake Forest ? South Carolina ?

Watching one team play every game in person doesn't make you the authority on that team and doesn't give you any more of a valid opinion about what team is better.

I understand your response to SP about the win once and you'e better but I think you're taking it to th extreme.

UF is much better than Ole Miss regardless of a head to head loss based on the rest of UF's body of work.

The bodies of work for Ole Miss and Vandy are much more similar and for the reasons I posted I think Vandy is the better team based on the entire body of work which includes a head to head win.

The head to head win is the deciding factor when teams are close but not when they are light year's apart.

And I would say that Wyoming could very well go out and beat that same Tenn team again.

It's not like that Tenn team is one of the late 90's.

[PhilDeez]

If you think they are one the top 8 teams in the nation then you are insane, they are maybe top 15 at best and any of the other BCS teams would have stomped them.

Also those 5 straight 10 win seasons is mainly the product of being in terrible conferences.

I never said they were one of the top 8 teams in the country - that is not what the BCS sets up - I just said to label these two teams as two of the worst was a stretch.

You are absolutely wrong with your second statement. Va Tech had one of the top 15 toughest schedules in the country this year and played in a conference that sent 10 teams to bowl games. Additionally the ACC was ranked by multiple sources as the toughest conference this year.

[JimBeam]

Phil there is no way the ACC was one of the toughest conferences in the country.

I dont care if every team went to a bowl game.

Maybe the most competetive within itself but far from toughest.

I'll have to take a look at their non-conference schedule.

[SP1!]

God can we get rid of those shitty interviews done by those crappy reporters before the game?

Now, how bad does ole miss get beat? Or can they actually win this game?

[SP1!]

I never said they were one of the top 8 teams in the country - that is not what the BCS sets up - I just said to label these two teams as two of the worst was a stretch.

You are absolutely wrong with your second statement. Va Tech had one of the top 15 toughest schedules in the country this year and played in a conference that sent 10 teams to bowl games. Additionally the ACC was ranked by multiple sources as the toughest conference this year.

They are the worst when compared to the rest of the BCS teams, I never said worst out of all the teams, but they are the bottom of the barrel of the BCS teams, thats not open for debate any of the other teams would kill both of them.

There is no way that the ACC is one of the toughest conferences in the nation, you are fooling yourself and I have seen those sources, they also state that USC has the best defense in the nation because they play in the crappy pac 10 who runs in the face of even a little bit of defense. The ACC is barely above the big east and maybe just below the big 10 but they are not even in the same league as SEC and big 12.

It kind was telling that PSU actually had a chance in that game last night if they wouldnt have made those mistakes.

[cougarjake13]

ole miss

vs

texas tech



on now

[NYHCmikeX]

ole miss
vs
texas tech
on now

And I'm stuck at work for no reason whatsoever since no company we deal with is open. AWESOME!

[cougarjake13]

And I'm stuck at work for no reason whatsoever since no company we deal with is open. AWESOME!

that sucks


tech is up 7-0

[JimBeam]

This was about the ACC back in July 2008 and they've since finally won a BCS game ( last night ) but you can make their bowl record 10-16 in the last 3 years.

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=829117

[disneyspy]

make it 14 zip

[cougarjake13]

TAINT BY TECH 14-0

[JimBeam]

It kind was telling that PSU actually had a chance in that game last night if they wouldnt have made those mistakes.

Penn St was really never in this game outside of when it started and when it was 7-7.

USC made as many mistakes as Penn St in that game and most of them came when they had a huge lead and probably lacked focus.

As far as " making mistakes " you could say that about any team.

" If they didn't do this, or didn't do that they'd have won. "

The PAC10 went 5-0 in bowl games so you can say they suck all you want but the numbers don't confirm that.

[JimBeam]

This was about the ACC back in July 2008 and they've since finally won a BCS game ( last night ) but you can make their bowl record 10-16 in the last 3 years.

Actually they'd be 8-16 as the wins against Nevada and Navy were not against BCS schools.

[SP1!]

Yeah ole miss isnt very good and TT is wanting to make a statement

[cougarjake13]

Yeah ole miss isnt very good and TT is wanting to make a statement

td ole miss



tech 14 miss 7

[JimBeam]

If my quick math is correct the ACC went 38-12 in non-conference games.

I wanna see how many of those were against other BCS schools and how many were against FCS schools.

Still pretty good though and I guess why they had so many bowl eligible teams.

Taken from the pre-bowl ACC notes :

The ACC is sending an NCAA record 10
teams to bowl games this year.
Since becoming a 12-team league in
2005, ACC teams have participated in
34 bowl games in the ensuing four years.
That is the most by any conference during
that time. The next closest is the SEC
with 32 bowl appearances.
The ACC fi nished the regular season,
37-11 against non-conference competition,
a .771 winning percentage.That is
the best in conference history in terms
of winning percentage and total number
of victories. That record includes a
15-8 mark (.652) against the Big East,
Big Ten, Big 12, PAC-10, Southeastern
Conferences and Notre Dame.
The ACC is ranked as the nation’s best
conference for the 2008 regular season
by both the Sagarin Index and the Anderson
& Hester Report.

[cougarjake13]

score update


ole miss td


tech 21

ole miss 21

[JimBeam]

I've gotta be honest and say I didn't think Snead could match Harrell shot for shot but he's doing a good job so far.

[disneyspy]

i didnt think this game would be this good,but damn im into it now

[cougarjake13]

fg by miss



miss 24
tech 21


1 min til half


very enjoyable game so far

[NYHCmikeX]

I've gotta be honest and say I didn't think Snead could match Harrell shot for shot but he's doing a good job so far.

They are putting alot of pressure on Harrell and forcing lousy throws. Not to take away from Snead, he's playing very well. Just sayin'.

Justin.tv saves the "work" day. again.

[SP1!]

If my quick math is correct the ACC went 38-12 in non-conference games.

I wanna see how many of those were against other BCS schools and how many were against FCS schools.

Still pretty good though and I guess why they had so many bowl eligible teams.

Taken from the pre-bowl ACC notes :

Yeah they can say that all they want but fact remains the ACC was bad in the bowls and the teams they beat were average at best or completely awful, like wisconsin.

And damn check out Ole miss's offense, guess that proves the big 12 cant play defense.

[cougarjake13]

holy fuck he almost made it

[NYHCmikeX]

That run by Harrell right there was insane. He can motor.

[disneyspy]

damn i thought he was gonna run that in to end the half

[SP1!]

They are putting alot of pressure on Harrell and forcing lousy throws. Not to take away from Snead, he's playing very well. Just sayin'.

Justin.tv saves the "work" day. again.

Yeah thats the biggest thing, harrell hasnt had pressure like this so far this year

[NYHCmikeX]

Yeah thats the biggest thing, harrell hasnt had pressure like this so far this year

TT keeps trying to use the blitz against them and running a middle screen but it's not working, it was set up perfectly twice and the ball was either dropped or thrown bad.

[Coach_Mac]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:wallbash::annoyed:: wallbash::annoyed::wallbash::annoyed::wallbash::an noyed::wallbash:

[Coach_Mac]

Yeah thats the biggest thing, harrell hasnt had pressure like this so far this year

Well OU put more pressure than this....but I guess we all know how that turned out. Missing tackles is what's killing us right now

[SP1!]

Well OU put more pressure than this....but I guess we all know how that turned out. Missing tackles is what's killing us right now

I will be honest I didnt think Ole Miss would be this close, I thought they would lose this game big but I guess their LBs are better than I gave them credit for.

[disneyspy]

does anybudday that watched the first 10 minutes of this game think it would this lopsided since TTtook that 14 zip lead?i sure as fuck didnt see this comin

[SP1!]

Holy crap, I never thought this would get ugly on the Ole Miss side

[ozzie]

I had a feeling watching Missouri last night that we might have been watching the beginning of the EXPOSURE of the overrated Big 12 conference. Tonight furthered that idea.

Sucks because I've got Texas Tech, Kansas and Texas picked to win their games. (No spread, thank God)

And the exposure continues.

[cougarjake13]

does anybudday that watched the first 10 minutes of this game think it would this lopsided since TTtook that 14 zip lead?i sure as fuck didnt see this comin

i sure as hell didnt



miss 38

tech 21


with tech driving late in 3rd quarter

[SP1!]

And the exposure continues.

Yeah I knew they had no defenses but damn this is a middle SEC team putting a whooping on a team that argued they had a right to play for the title, unless they come back this will be the first stomping of the top of the big 12 and florida should crush OU.

Now if OSU can cooperate and win their game the trifecta will be complete and all the crap will have been flushed, it wold be nice since big 12 fans have been cocky all year.

[Coach_Mac]

Yeah I knew they had no defenses but damn this is a middle SEC team putting a whooping on a team that argued they had a right to play for the title, unless they come back this will be the first stomping of the top of the big 12 and florida should crush OU.

Now if OSU can cooperate and win their game the trifecta will be complete and all the crap will have been flushed, it wold be nice since big 12 fans have been cocky all year.

No, it's the 3rd best SEC team vs. the 3rd best Big 12 team.

[ozzie]

Yeah I knew they had no defenses but damn this is a middle SEC team putting a whooping on a team that argued they had a right to play for the title, unless they come back this will be the first stomping of the top of the big 12 and florida should crush OU.

Now if OSU can cooperate and win their game the trifecta will be complete and all the crap will have been flushed, it wold be nice since big 12 fans have been cocky all year.

I asked this question around week 5 or 6 when they had 6 teams in the top 15 (including Kansas, Missouri and Oklahoma State)... who did any of them beat to deserve these lofty rankings?

They all worked their way up there by attrition and lousy non-conference schedules while other conferences were knocking each other off, then suddenly they're playing each other in Prime Time games, and we were supposed to be impressed because of the rankings?

Then, when they did lose to each other, because of their opponents ranking, none of them dropped very far.

First Northwestern, then Oregon, now they're making Ole Miss look like a "high powered offense".

Ah, an Ole Miss fumble might keep the scoring seige in check, but even allowing 38 by this team is proof that the stats and records from the Big 12 this year were skewed.

Unless Oklahoma can pull out a miracle, this is a pants-down, ass barring exposure of the entire conference.

[Coach_Mac]

I asked this question around week 5 or 6 when they had 6 teams in the top 15 (including Kansas, Missouri and Oklahoma State)... who did any of them beat to deserve these lofty rankings?

They all worked their way up there by attrition and lousy non-conference schedules while other conferences were knocking each other off, then suddenly they're playing each other in Prime Time games, and we were supposed to be impressed because of the rankings?

Then, when they did lose to each other, because of their opponents ranking, none of them dropped very far.

First Northwestern, then Oregon, now they're making Ole Miss look like a "high powered offense".

Ah, an Ole Miss fumble might keep the scoring seige in check, but even allowing 38 by this team is proof that the stats and records from the Big 12 this year were skewed.

Unless Oklahoma can pull out a miracle, this is a pants-down, ass barring exposure of the entire conference.


Ole Miss is playing the game of their life and Tech is playing terribly. The Big 12 has been legitimately better than the SEC all year. Lousy non conference schedules? Like the SEC only plays great non conference games? So the big 10 must be better than the SEC because of what Iowa did. You can't take away a great season from the Big 12 by 1 bowl game.

[ozzie]

Ole Miss is playing the game of their life and Tech is playing terribly. The Big 12 has been legitimately better than the SEC all year. Lousy non conference schedules? Like the SEC only plays great non conference games? So the big 10 must be better than the SEC because of what Iowa did. You can't take away a great season from the Big 12 by 1 bowl game.

Wait... now they're third best? What happened to arguing to play for the Title?

Just a coincidence that the "game of their life" just happens to be against Tech, huh?

I didn't say anything about the SEC non-conf schedule. Yeah, theirs sucked too. My point was that by attritition, around week 6, except for Kansas loss to South Florida, the rest of them were sitting there undefeated, and moving up in the polls. So that when they did start finally playing each other, they were all ranked high, so any loss didn't hurt them. Hence, my opinion that by year's end they were overranked.

"legitimately better than the SEC all year"... based on what? Did they "dominate" common opponents? Or win games head to head (like today?)?

It's not just one game. Missouri looked like ass against Northwestern, and Oregon dominated Ok State in the second half. And now this. All games where they were favored.

All year I've had Big 12 offensive stats shown to me as proof that this conference is superior. These bowl games have shown that even teams like Oregon and Ole Miss could have been offensive powerhouses in this conference.

[Coach_Mac]

Wait... now they're third best? What happened to arguing to play for the Title?

Just a coincidence that the "game of their life" just happens to be against Tech, huh?

I didn't say anything about the SEC non-conf schedule. Yeah, theirs sucked too. My point was that by attritition, around week 6, except for Kansas loss to South Florida, the rest of them were sitting there undefeated, and moving up in the polls. So that when they did start finally playing each other, they were all ranked high, so any loss didn't hurt them. Hence, my opinion that by year's end they were overranked.

"legitimately better than the SEC all year"... based on what? Did they "dominate" common opponents? Or win games head to head (like today?)?

It's not just one game. Missouri looked like ass against Northwestern, and Oregon dominated Ok State in the second half. And now this. All games where they were favored.

All year I've had Big 12 offensive stats shown to me as proof that this conference is superior. These bowl games have shown that even teams like Oregon and Ole Miss could have been offensive powerhouses in this conference.

1st of all- I never argued we should play for the title. OU deserves to be there. You know Missouri did beat Northwestern....a team that beat Iowa....who killed SC. And if ECU ends up beating Kentucky are they better? If you actually watched the Big 12 play this year instead of just looking at stats you would see truely great offenses, not just against each other, but real playmakers.

[SP1!]

No, it's the 3rd best SEC team vs. the 3rd best Big 12 team.

Yeah keep thinking that but in reality they are 4th or 5th at best and they just whipped a team that whined they deserved a spot in the NC game. That team lost to almost all their SEC east teams and beat one team they got up for that florida was napping against, they would be at best 4th, 5th or 6th at worst just accept it.

[SP1!]

I asked this question around week 5 or 6 when they had 6 teams in the top 15 (including Kansas, Missouri and Oklahoma State)... who did any of them beat to deserve these lofty rankings?

They all worked their way up there by attrition and lousy non-conference schedules while other conferences were knocking each other off, then suddenly they're playing each other in Prime Time games, and we were supposed to be impressed because of the rankings?

Then, when they did lose to each other, because of their opponents ranking, none of them dropped very far.

First Northwestern, then Oregon, now they're making Ole Miss look like a "high powered offense".

Ah, an Ole Miss fumble might keep the scoring seige in check, but even allowing 38 by this team is proof that the stats and records from the Big 12 this year were skewed.

Unless Oklahoma can pull out a miracle, this is a pants-down, ass barring exposure of the entire conference.
For once I completely agree with you, all the big 12 people talked shit but this is really proving they have nothing besides a couple good QBs with no defense in conference.

Ole Miss is playing the game of their life and Tech is playing terribly. The Big 12 has been legitimately better than the SEC all year. Lousy non conference schedules? Like the SEC only plays great non conference games? So the big 10 must be better than the SEC because of what Iowa did. You can't take away a great season from the Big 12 by 1 bowl game.
Game of their life? You were just saying how good Ole Miss was now they are just hyping themselves up? Please, get your delusions straight. The big 12 has not been better this year, they showed good offense all year but is that because they are so good or is it because the defenses are so bad in the big 12?

1 Game? I wouldnt make a big deal about it if it wasnt for the complete domination over a supposedly top 10 team and a team whose followers and pundits argued should have had a shot at the NC game.

I guess we are about to see if OSU beat texas because florida is going to kick the shit out of OU, that game wont even be close.

[ozzie]

1st of all- I never argued we should play for the title. OU deserves to be there. You know Missouri did beat Northwestern....a team that beat Iowa....who killed SC. And if ECU ends up beating Kentucky are they better? If you actually watched the Big 12 play this year instead of just looking at stats you would see truely great offenses, not just against each other, but real playmakers.

Ok, great offenses.

Tech put up 34 points on Ole Miss, and Harrell threw for 364 yards and 4 tds.

Congratulations.

Too bad they gave up 47 and lost the game.

Exactly my point. All I've heard to show the "superiority" of the Big 12 is offensive numbers and stats... against each other.

How many BIG games has anyone from that conference won against another conference? And how many points have they given up in the bowls so far to second, third, fourth, fifth place teams from other conferences?

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder, like I'm arguing that the SEC is better. I'm coming at you with questions to back up your claim that the Big 12 is the "best", and all I'm getting from you is examples of how other conferences are similar.

I'm not the one who has proclaimed the "superiority" of ANY conference this year.

I'm still waiting for your facts to back up your claim that the Big 12 is the best.

Really? You're taking pride in the fact that Missouri beat Northwestern in overtime?

Or Kansas beating Minnesota, who went 3 - 5 in Big 10 play, and lost their last 5 games?

Where is the proof on the field, so far, that proves the Big 12 is the "best" conference?

[Coach_Mac]

Yeah keep thinking that but in reality they are 4th or 5th at best and they just whipped a team that whined they deserved a spot in the NC game. That team lost to almost all their SEC east teams and beat one team they got up for that florida was napping against, they would be at best 4th, 5th or 6th at worst just accept it.

You are thinking of Texas that kept whining about deserving a spot, why would Tech think they deserve a spot over OU who killed us? And just going by record alone, Ole Miss has the 4th best in the SEC and I think they play better than Georgia most of the time so, yea, 3rd best.

And yes, I said Ole Miss is a very good team and played an amazing game- that added up to 47 points and a big win. If you know the game of football you can watch a team week in and week out and tell how talented they are so if you had watched the Big 12 (which you didn't) you would know that they are good.

Ok, great offenses.

Tech put up 34 points on Ole Miss, and Harrell threw for 364 yards and 4 tds.

Congratulations.

Too bad they gave up 47 and lost the game.

Exactly my point. All I've heard to show the "superiority" of the Big 12 is offensive numbers and stats... against each other.

How many BIG games has anyone from that conference won against another conference? And how many points have they given up in the bowls so far to second, third, fourth, fifth place teams from other conferences?

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder, like I'm arguing that the SEC is better. I'm coming at you with questions to back up your claim that the Big 12 is the "best", and all I'm getting from you is examples of how other conferences are similar.

I'm not the one who has proclaimed the "superiority" of ANY conference this year.

I'm still waiting for your facts to back up your claim that the Big 12 is the best.

Really? You're taking pride in the fact that Missouri beat Northwestern in overtime?

Or Kansas beating Minnesota, who went 3 - 5 in Big 10 play, and lost their last 5 games?

Where is the proof on the field, so far, that proves the Big 12 is the "best" conference?


First of all I have never argued that the SEC is a bad conference. I think everyone will agree that the Big 12 and SEC are the top 2 conferences but different people have them in different orders.

I never bragged about Mizzou winning, I was trying to play the game you guys are playing that 1 or 2 games means something. And I'll admit to you that I think Minnesota was one of the worst teams in any bowl this year.

You are asking for facts to back up that the Big 12 is better...I dont have any. There are none. There are no facts either way. All I know is that I watch a lot of college football and can tell the talent on each team no matter who they are playing against. But some of you guys keep talking about schedules and beating up on "easy" teams...Here's a quick glance of the non conference wins vs. bowl opponents for both conferences...

Big 12 Wins- West Va, Colo. St, Buffalo, Nevada (x2), La Tech, Cinncinatti, TCU, FAU, Rice, Houston, Troy

SEC wins- Hawaii, Miami, C. Mich, Rice, NC St, N. Ill, Clemson, Memphis, Troy, S. Miss, Tulsa

Looks about even to me. (im being generous). So no more talk about easier schedules.

[Coach_Mac]

It may seem like Im trying to root against the SEC now and Im not but Kentucky's knee was obviously down. Bad call there to possibly win the game.

[razorboy]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Suck it, Saban!

[Snoogans]

Utah is fired up. Im liking this

[razorboy]

It Just Keeps Getting Better!

[spadanko]

this is awesome

[disneyspy]

this is unfuckinable,believe me

[Snoogans]

Did he seriously just say Alabama doesnt have to come from behind?

[SP1!]

You are thinking of Texas that kept whining about deserving a spot, why would Tech think they deserve a spot over OU who killed us? And just going by record alone, Ole Miss has the 4th best in the SEC and I think they play better than Georgia most of the time so, yea, 3rd best.

And yes, I said Ole Miss is a very good team and played an amazing game- that added up to 47 points and a big win. If you know the game of football you can watch a team week in and week out and tell how talented they are so if you had watched the Big 12 (which you didn't) you would know that they are good.

I have watched a lot of big 12 games, I loved watching tech play but it was obvious they hadnt played a decent defense, OU had good schemes against them but they arent that great of a defense. Oh all you have to do is go to justin.tv to watch almost any game around the nation on saturday, I have 3 computers all with different games and our TVs watching locally, I have a sickness, luckily my GF likes football. The big 12 is ok but they do not have the luxury of playing in a conference with speedy, strong, smart defenses that kick your ass every week.

Did he seriously just say Alabama doesnt have to come from behind?
I think he means they dont have to come back quick since its so early, they can slowly build the tempo and score slowly.

Im hoping they dont, I fucking hate bama and saban almost as much, if they end up losing I will be going to a bama fan bar to see if I can get a redneck to swing at me.

[Coach_Mac]

I have watched a lot of big 12 games, I loved watching tech play but it was obvious they hadnt played a decent defense, OU had good schemes against them but they arent that great of a defense. Oh all you have to do is go to justin.tv to watch almost any game around the nation on saturday, I have 3 computers all with different games and our TVs watching locally, I have a sickness, luckily my GF likes football. The big 12 is ok but they do not have the luxury of playing in a conference with speedy, strong, smart defenses that kick your ass every week.


.

Just to be clear, I do think the SEC has better defenses than the Big 12. I just feel about the SEC offenses the way you feel about Big 12 defense.

[Coach_Mac]

That's bull! Thats a shift! Its designed to draw them offsides! Figure it out!

[Coach_Mac]

Saban's such a genious. Great clock management. Looks like Miami.

[SP1!]

Just to be clear, I do think the SEC has better defenses than the Big 12. I just feel about the SEC offenses the way you feel about Big 12 defense.

Yes I can understand that but one of our average SEC offenses just rolled over one of your high powered offenses in a game that should not have been that way, you can be honest you expected TT to roll over Ole Miss. They have a decent defense but nobody except snead and a decent O-line on the other side of the ball.

That being said

ROOOOOOLLLLLL TIDDDDDEEEEEE!

LOL this is funny as hell but I think they will come back, their defense is starting to stop them now.

[Coach_Mac]

Yes I can understand that but one of our average SEC offenses just rolled over one of your high powered offenses in a game that should not have been that way, you can be honest you expected TT to roll over Ole Miss. They have a decent defense but nobody except snead and a decent O-line on the other side of the ball.

That being said

ROOOOOOLLLLLL TIDDDDDEEEEEE!

LOL this is funny as hell but I think they will come back, their defense is starting to stop them now.

I did expect Tech to win but I figured it would be close. Hey, upsets happen all the time. Like I've been saying, the best team doesn't always win.

[disneyspy]

man alabama has some big flag girls

[SP1!]

I did expect Tech to win but I figured it would be close. Hey, upsets happen all the time. Like I've been saying, the best team doesn't always win.

That could be a good line if the score was close, it was a smack down, Ole Miss is better than TT if the coaching holds.

[Coach_Mac]

man alabama has some big flag girls

Every school has big flag girls.

That could be a good line if the score was close, it was a smack down, Ole Miss is better than TT if the coaching holds.

No they're not.

[Snoogans]

Come On Utah

[Coach_Mac]

Finally you guys can see that the Mt. West is better than the SEC.

[SP1!]

Every school has big flag girls.



No they're not.

Evidently Ole Miss is better or it wouldnt have been that big of a beat down, and Utah seems like a decent team, they should end up with a share barring a total florida blowout.

Oh and all of you will be sad to know I didnt get arrested tonight making fun of the bama fans, they left the second I showed up and decided not to give in to my drunk rantings, fuck them they deserve the humiliation of losing to a shit team.

[SP1!]

Finally you guys can see that the Mt. West is better than the SEC.

LOL no its not, one team is good the rest of the conference sucks, kinda like the big 12, talk shit all year but get the fuck kicked out of you when a real team comes along, fuck and its not even one of the SECs best teams.


No matter what you think.

[Coach_Mac]

LOL no its not, one team is good the rest of the conference sucks, kinda like the big 12, talk shit all year but get the fuck kicked out of you when a real team comes along, fuck and its not even one of the SECs best teams.


No matter what you think.

It was a joke! I was reasoning like you reason! And yes, it's the SEC's 3rd best team...remember we went over this.

[cougarjake13]

totally detached pub tendon

[SP1!]

It was a joke! I was reasoning like you reason! And yes, it's the SEC's 3rd best team...remember we went over this.

4th at best, and thats a maybe.

But just let me say:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Fuck BAMA! Go dig up bear, he wants to kick sabans ass.

Oh and we will see about the conferences since UT has to beat OSU and OU has to play florida, I still am holding out hope all the top 3 teams in the big 12 lose but I kinda want florida to lose as well so no matter who wins I will have a bad day.

[Coach_Mac]

4th at best, and thats a maybe.

But just let me say:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Fuck BAMA! Go dig up bear, he wants to kick sabans ass.

Oh and we will see about the conferences since UT has to beat OSU and OU has to play florida, I still am holding out hope all the top 3 teams in the big 12 lose but I kinda want florida to lose as well so no matter who wins I will have a bad day.

Texas should take care of Ohio St but I wouldn't be suprised if Florida wins. I think Florida is the best team in the country, Tebow is the best player in the country. Ive always said that. As for Ole Miss, we're not getting anywhere with that. You think you're right, I know I'm right so lets just move on and find something else to argue about.

[SP1!]

Texas should take care of Ohio St but I wouldn't be suprised if Florida wins. I think Florida is the best team in the country, Tebow is the best player in the country. Ive always said that. As for Ole Miss, we're not getting anywhere with that. You think you're right, I know I'm right so lets just move on and find something else to argue about.

No I know Im right and you think you are right, I have watched more SEC east ball than you and you have watched more mississippi games, the team is good but in the east they would be 3rd or 4th in the division, there is no arguing that point.

Texas should take care of OSU but after the butt whopping TT received Im not so sure that OSU cant take them since OSU has an even better running game which is where TT had a lot of issues defending. We all think that florida will kill OU although that is the one game I hope the big 12 wins, I cant stand their jorts wearing asses, fuck them I hope teebow snaps a leg.

I still cant wait for him to insist hes going to be a pro QB and then watch his draft stock slide down to the 3rd round if thats the only position he will play, if hes flexible like matt jones was he will go in the first round, if he says QB is the only position he will play not a lot of teams will take him in the first round.

[JimBeam]

I was flloored by the result of both of yesterday's big games.

I'm trying to find a way to spin Utah's win but I've got nothing.

Alabama shit the bed and Utah came to play.

Congrats.

[JimBeam]

Block on Marve transfer out of bounds

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-marve010308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I disagree that the policy is flawed.

For one it prevents a guy from going to one school, say an FSU, and then deciding to transfer to UF beecause they're better.

This policy helps to limit the number of transfers.

Also I'd have no problem w/ him being able to transfer to any school if he repaid the tuition and expenses that he incurred while at Miami.

He accepted a schlolarship there and thus prevented another kid from getting one.

He's an adult and made a commitment, as did Miami by providing him w/ an education, room, board, etc ...., and now has to deal w/ it.

If the issue clearly was his father's sickness I'm sure both Miami and the NCAA would work w/ him but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Only knowing the details that have been made public it seems as though he's a bit of a trouble maker and knows he now has to compete for a starting job.

If he is truly just after an education, as the writer of that article would like us to think, then he can transfer to any number of schools and not have to sit out for a season.

[cougarjake13]

wow

uconn did everything to give this game away



but now after the td

its uconn 31
buffalo 20


4;44 left in game

[cougarjake13]

I disagree that the policy is flawed.

For one it prevents a guy from going to one school, say an FSU, and then deciding to transfer to UF beecause they're better.

This policy helps to limit the number of transfers.

Also I'd have no problem w/ him being able to transfer to any school if he repaid the tuition and expenses that he incurred while at Miami.

He accepted a schlolarship there and thus prevented another kid from getting one.

He's an adult and made a commitment, as did Miami by providing him w/ an education, room, board, etc ...., and now has to deal w/ it.

If the issue clearly was his father's sickness I'm sure both Miami and the NCAA would work w/ him but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Only knowing the details that have been made public it seems as though he's a bit of a trouble maker and knows he now has to compete for a starting job.

If he is truly just after an education, as the writer of that article would like us to think, then he can transfer to any number of schools and not have to sit out for a season.



i never knew that the school had control on where you could transfer

i always thought it was you could go anywhere but had to sit out a year

[JimBeam]

I knew you had to be released from your scholarship in college baseball so I guess I just always figured it was the same thing.

[SP1!]

i never knew that the school had control on where you could transfer

i always thought it was you could go anywhere but had to sit out a year

I knew you had to be released from your scholarship in college baseball so I guess I just always figured it was the same thing.

Yeah you have to be released and some times colleges set terms, sounds like shannon is a hard ass and marve is just a pussy.

That being said I would have no problems with schools setting the terms as long as once a coach leaves the kids are free to leave the school without penalty, at the least the coach should also have to sit out the year. I have never been a fan of getting kids to the school then the coach bailing on them.

[cougarjake13]

Yeah you have to be released and some times colleges set terms, sounds like shannon is a hard ass and marve is just a pussy.

That being said I would have no problems with schools setting the terms as long as once a coach leaves the kids are free to leave the school without penalty, at the least the coach should also have to sit out the year. I have never been a fan of getting kids to the school then the coach bailing on them.

yeh i never understood that


kid goes to college for a specific coach and then he gets a better job or a nfl gig and the kid gets punished

[JimBeam]

It's not really the same thing though.

A coach is an employee of the school and like any occupation you're free to go wherever you want.

The sole purpose, at least on paper, of a kid going to college is to get an education.

They don't accept the scholarship on the basis of " Hey I can leave if there are any changes ".

On the other hand the contracts of many coachs, if not all, usually have something about where they would go if given the chance.

[JimBeam]

kid goes to college for a specific coach and then he gets a better job or a nfl gig and the kid gets punished

He's far from punished.

He's getting something for free that millions of others kids go into debt to obtain.

It's not like he loses his scholarship if the coach leaves, he just doesn't play for that coach.

Still gets to play his sport and still gets a free education.

[cougarjake13]

He's far from punished.

He's getting something for free that millions of others kids go into debt to obtain.

It's not like he loses his scholarship if the coach leaves, he just doesn't play for that coach.

Still gets to play his sport and still gets a free education.

no i know


just saying he goes there or chose to go there over another school and what that specific coach represented towards furthering his career and now thats gone

[Coach_Mac]

I disagree that the policy is flawed.

For one it prevents a guy from going to one school, say an FSU, and then deciding to transfer to UF beecause they're better.

This policy helps to limit the number of transfers.

Also I'd have no problem w/ him being able to transfer to any school if he repaid the tuition and expenses that he incurred while at Miami.

He accepted a schlolarship there and thus prevented another kid from getting one.

He's an adult and made a commitment, as did Miami by providing him w/ an education, room, board, etc ...., and now has to deal w/ it.

If the issue clearly was his father's sickness I'm sure both Miami and the NCAA would work w/ him but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Only knowing the details that have been made public it seems as though he's a bit of a trouble maker and knows he now has to compete for a starting job.

If he is truly just after an education, as the writer of that article would like us to think, then he can transfer to any number of schools and not have to sit out for a season.


This article is rediculous. This happens all the time in every NCAA sport. I wouldn't expect Shannon to release him to any other ACC school and it's his choice if he wants to restrict him from going to the SEC. We don't know the details of why he wants to transfer or what kind of relationship him and Shannon had but Miami used a scholarship on him when they could have got someone else. They made a commitment to him and he wants to leave. As a college baseball coach I deal with this stuff every year and it differs from school to school. Personally I wouldn't release kids to schools within the conference....however, it did say he is from Tampa and his dad has cancer. If wanted to go to USF I think Shannon should let him do that to be close to his dad.

If he was never getting to play Shannon would probably release him anywhere but it looks like he redshirted, and then started 11 games this year so Miami thinks if he is good enough to play for them he's good enough to beat them.

[Coach_Mac]

That being said I would have no problems with schools setting the terms as long as once a coach leaves the kids are free to leave the school without penalty, at the least the coach should also have to sit out the year. I have never been a fan of getting kids to the school then the coach bailing on them.


I somewhat agree that the kids should be able to leave if a coach leaves but I still think they should have to sit out a year. Coaches are moving all the time whether its for money or a new challenge. You can't blame a coach for doing that. If players leave when that coach leaves it destoys the program for the next coach. Incoming freshmen that have signed are almost always given a release if the coach leaves.

[cougarjake13]

This article is rediculous. This happens all the time in every NCAA sport. I wouldn't expect Shannon to release him to any other ACC school and it's his choice if he wants to restrict him from going to the SEC. We don't know the details of why he wants to transfer or what kind of relationship him and Shannon had but Miami used a scholarship on him when they could have got someone else. They made a commitment to him and he wants to leave. As a college baseball coach I deal with this stuff every year and it differs from school to school. Personally I wouldn't release kids to schools within the conference....however, it did say he is from Tampa and his dad has cancer. If wanted to go to USF I think Shannon should let him do that to be close to his dad.

If he was never getting to play Shannon would probably release him anywhere but it looks like he redshirted, and then started 11 games this year so Miami thinks if he is good enough to play for them he's good enough to beat them.


from reports though he wanted to go to florida or tennessee

and usf has grothe in his way and ive heard no mention of him even wanting to go to usf

[SP1!]

yeh i never understood that


kid goes to college for a specific coach and then he gets a better job or a nfl gig and the kid gets punished

He's far from punished.

He's getting something for free that millions of others kids go into debt to obtain.

It's not like he loses his scholarship if the coach leaves, he just doesn't play for that coach.

Still gets to play his sport and still gets a free education.
Im sorry the kids still get punished, most schools release kids if they get injured and contrary to what most people think, scholarships are year to year not a full 4 year deal and the kids can be cut loose at any time. Its skewed and there needs to be more of a balance, I could agree that kids may have to sit out a year if they transfer into the same conference but to sit out if they go across country is crazy.

from reports though he wanted to go to florida or tennessee

and usf has grothe in his way and ive heard no mention of him even wanting to go to usf
The best thing for georgia is if he goes to florida, marve is not even an average QB and if it wasnt for miami hurting he wouldnt be starting.

[JimBeam]

I somewhat agree that the kids should be able to leave if a coach leaves but I still think they should have to sit out a year.

But if that's the case then a new coach coming in should be allowed to revoke scholarships if a player doesn't fit their system.

Nobody wants that.

And sure scholarships aren't guaranteed but they are very rarely revoked unless there's a discilplinary or educational issue.

Most of the times even if the scholarships are revoked for injury or for not meeting expectations the actual access to the college education is kept in tact.

Im sorry the kids still get punished ...

So a punishment is a kid spends 2 years at Notre Dame, getting an education that would've cost him upwards of $50K retail, and Charlie Weis gets fired and the new coach cuts that kids playing time yet he still gets the chance to finish the other 2 years, and another $50K worth of education and goes into the real world, NFL future or not, w/ a degree from a top university ?

I think what's lost in all of the nonsense discussions about " student athletes " and " pay to play " is the actual value of a college education.

[Snoogans]

But if that's the case then a new coach coming in should be allowed to revoke scholarships if a player doesn't fit their system.

Nobody wants that.

And sure scholarships aren't guaranteed but they are very rarely revoked unless there's a discilplinary or educational issue.

Most of the times even if the scholarships are revoked for injury or for not meeting expectations the actual access to the college education is kept in tact.



So a punishment is a kid spends 2 years at Notre Dame, getting an education that would've cost him upwards of $50K retail, and Charlie Weis gets fired and the new coach cuts that kids playing time yet he still gets the chance to finish the other 2 years, and another $50K worth of education and goes into the real world, NFL future or not, w/ a degree from a top university ?

I think what's lost in all of the nonsense discussions about " student athletes " and " pay to play " is the actual value of a college education.

i read something like the avg division 1 football player on scholarship receivers around 100,000 dollars in free benefits every year, that normal students have to pay for.

Thats pretty fuckin good, just cause you can throw a ball.

[cougarjake13]

i read something like the avg division 1 football player on scholarship receivers around 100,000 dollars in free benefits every year, that normal students have to pay for.

Thats pretty fuckin good, just cause you can throw a ball.



or catch it or run it

[JimBeam]

The $100K is probably close even for a state school.

I mean I'm guessing my tuition for 4 1/2 years at LSU, paying out of state fees because I was from NY, when you count room, board, etc .... was probably $50K+ and that was back in 1990.

[Snoogans]

The $100K is probably close even for a state school.

I mean I'm guessing my tuition for 4 1/2 years at LSU, paying out of state fees because I was from NY, when you count room, board, etc .... was probably $50K+ and that was back in 1990.

plus you have to keep in mind the gifts they get from bowl games, the travel expenses broken down per kid. i think all that shit gets added in.

Fuck most of these teams spend like a week at the place. I know you have practice, but thats a free fuckin vacation.

[cougarjake13]

plus you have to keep in mind the gifts they get from bowl games, the travel expenses broken down per kid. i think all that shit gets added in.

Fuck most of these teams spend like a week at the place. I know you have practice, but thats a free fuckin vacation.

unless you're shitty usf and had to go to st pete

[Snoogans]

unless you're shitty usf and had to go to st pete

well you still got to travel to road games, and got bowl gifts. Though never very good ones there

[cougarjake13]

well you still got to travel to road games, and got bowl gifts. Though never very good ones there

yeh but all they had to do was go from tampa to st pete

a 25 minute drive so no much of vacay for them

[JimBeam]

They get a lot of stuff even when they stay home during the regular season.

LSU's football team always went to a dinner and the movies the night before a home game to avoid on campus " distractions ".

In fact I think they used to stay in a hotel the night before the game as well and only came back onto campus to do the walk into the stadium.

[cougarjake13]

They get a lot of stuff even when they stay home during the regular season.

LSU's football team always went to a dinner and the movies the night before a home game to avoid on campus " distractions ".

In fact I think they used to stay in a hotel the night before the game as well and only came back onto campus to do the walk into the stadium.



yeh but he was talking about a free vacay


you're not getting much of a vacay if you're never stepping foot on a plane or leaving the county

[JimBeam]

I was pointing that out more as another bonus that the athletes get that the average student doesn't.

[PhilDeez]

Did anyone notice the ultimatum Boston College put on Jagasinki(sp)?
If he even interviews for the Jets opening, he is fired and will be replaced by the OC. To me that is horse crap.

[JimBeam]

Some shit talk by an Oklahoma player:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=896409

Oklahoma cornerback Dominique Franks was trying to stick up for his team's defense Sunday when he took an indirect swipe at Florida quarterback Tim Tebow.

Dominique Franks says he would rather face Tim Tebow than some Big 12 passers.
"You look at the three best quarterbacks in the country, [they] came from the Big 12," Franks said. "You look at the three best receivers, [they] came from the Big 12. The three best tight ends came from the Big 12. So we have faced some great offenses, and a lot of people don't understand that other conferences don't have what we face."

Does that mean Tebow – the 2007 Heisman Trophy winner and a third-place finisher in the balloting this year - isn't one of the three best quarterbacks in the country?

"Yeah, I think our quarterbacks are better," Franks said.

Really huh ?

The second-team all-Big 12 selection ...

Oklahoma ranks 58th in the nation in scoring defense, 63rd in total defense, 43rd in pass efficiency defense and 98th in passing yards allowed per game ...

Are you even considered a prominent defender when you're a 2nd teamer on a defense ranked like that in a conference that doesn't have a single team in the list of Top 45 defenses ?

I wasn't really pulling for either team before I heard this on the radio and then read it but now I hope UF blows them out just so can watch this jerkoff's walk off the field w/ his head in his ass.

[Snoogans]

Did anyone notice the ultimatum Boston College put on Jagasinki(sp)?
If he even interviews for the Jets opening, he is fired and will be replaced by the OC. To me that is horse crap.

yea who would want the jets job

[SP1!]

Some shit talk by an Oklahoma player:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=896409

Really huh ?

Are you even considered a prominent defender when you're a 2nd teamer on a defense ranked like that in a conference that doesn't have a single team in the list of Top 45 defenses ?

I wasn't really pulling for either team before I heard this on the radio and then read it but now I hope UF blows them out just so can watch this jerkoff's walk off the field w/ his head in his ass.
What a dumbass, I could never force myself to pull for florida, I hope they always lose, fuck them but after what Ole Miss did to TT hes a fucking moron, they romped over the team that was tied for the lead in their conference.

This wont be pretty, the only thing that would be funny would be to have Texas lose as well so the 3 from the big 12 will go 0-3

[JimBeam]

This wont be pretty, the only thing that would be funny would be to have Texas lose as well so the 3 from the big 12 will go 0-3

If you include Ok St you can say the 4 best went 0-4.

Ok St beat Missouri head to head so I'd put them in the top 4 of the conference.

[SP1!]

If you include Ok St you can say the 4 best went 0-4.

Ok St beat Missouri head to head so I'd put them in the top 4 of the conference.

Yeah so much for the big 12 being the best conference this year.

[JimBeam]

And true to Big 12 form the defenses on the teams that lost gave up a lot of points.

[JimBeam]

Tebow didn't give much of a reply but Stoops tried to spin it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls08/news/story?id=3811318

[JimBeam]

OK I think we can all agre that what Utah did against Alabama was fantastic and showed that they could play and beat a team from a power house conference .... in one game.

They should get as much credit as possible for beating a team that was ranked #1 for a good portion of the season.

But let's not be fooled into thinking they deserve a share of any title.

What they proved, as Boise St did when it beat Oklahoma a few years ago, was that a team can get up for 1 big game in the national spotlight.

But could they get up for several of those games in one season on the way to play that one last big game ?

Let's take a look what Utah accomplished other than beating Alabama.

There was a win against 2 BCS schools ( Michigan and Oregon St ) as well as wins against 2 ranked teams ( TCU and BYU ).

There was also a win against a FCS school ( Weber St ).

But there were also wins against 5 teams that won 4 or less games all year ( Michigan, Utah St, Wyoming, New Mexico and San Diego St ) and 2 more wins against teams that didn't finsih the regular season w/ a winning record ( UNLV and Colorado St ).

So 7 of their 12 wins came against teams that didn't have a winning record.

The combined record of their opponents was 73-73 ( and that includes the 10 wins by Weber St of the FCS against the likes of Montana-Western, Dixie St, Northern Colorado, Portland St, etc ... ).

Utah's win over Alabama does not make them equals.

If you switched the schedules, w/ Bama playing Utah's schedule and vice versa, do you think the teams end up w/ the same records ?

Maybe Alabama does but there's no way Utah does.

[Epschtein]

WOW boyz2men look like shit...

that utah game was the best so far imo, great game.

i almost forgot about this one tonight, this could be a war.

[OGC]

has the pregame hoopla ended yet ?

[disneyspy]

ya and im startin to think the big 12 was OVER RATED bumm bum ba ba bum

[ihaveabadmonkey]

I'm not searching through the whole thread, so has anyone brought up why Fox has to show the marching band about 30 times a game. There are more crowd shot then game shown.

[SP1!]

ya and im startin to think the big 12 was OVER RATED bumm bum ba ba bum

I think that is pretty much obvious now, they are what about 300 yards off their average at this point in the game? Hell OSU has an average defense so this cant be excused away by being shut down by a top flight defense, the only thing that might save them is OSU has no offense at all, pryor is way fucking over rated.

[Epschtein]

yeah, i dont get much into the whole conference comparison thing, but this game has certainly been kind of a snoozer. and i can appreciate great defense but it doesnt feel like that is the whole story, seems like sputtering offense is as much to blame.

thats how i felt about most of the NFL this weekend too, not so much that the winning teams rose up and won their games, but moreso that the losing teams just couldnt do jack and blew the games even when given multiple opportunities.

[ozzie]

OK I think we can all agre that what Utah did against Alabama was fantastic and showed that they could play and beat a team from a power house conference .... in one game.

They should get as much credit as possible for beating a team that was ranked #1 for a good portion of the season.

But let's not be fooled into thinking they deserve a share of any title.

What they proved, as Boise St did when it beat Oklahoma a few years ago, was that a team can get up for 1 big game in the national spotlight.

But could they get up for several of those games in one season on the way to play that one last big game ?

Let's take a look what Utah accomplished other than beating Alabama.

There was a win against 2 BCS schools ( Michigan and Oregon St ) as well as wins against 2 ranked teams ( TCU and BYU ).

There was also a win against a FCS school ( Weber St ).

But there were also wins against 5 teams that won 4 or less games all year ( Michigan, Utah St, Wyoming, New Mexico and San Diego St ) and 2 more wins against teams that didn't finsih the regular season w/ a winning record ( UNLV and Colorado St ).

So 7 of their 12 wins came against teams that didn't have a winning record.

The combined record of their opponents was 73-73 ( and that includes the 10 wins by Weber St of the FCS against the likes of Montana-Western, Dixie St, Northern Colorado, Portland St, etc ... ).

Utah's win over Alabama does not make them equals.

If you switched the schedules, w/ Bama playing Utah's schedule and vice versa, do you think the teams end up w/ the same records ?

Maybe Alabama does but there's no way Utah does.

I'm really tired of this "they didn't play anybody" arguement. They can't control who they play in conference.

They won every game that was put in front of them, and if you look at when these schedules / contracts are made, they did what they could with most of their non-conference games to beef it up. I guarantee when they scheduled Michigan, they had no idea they would be this bad. And how many losses did Oregon State end up with? And Utah was one of them.

Bottom line, Utah deserved their shot at a BCS team, and won the game. Again.

And just like in 2004 when they destroyed Pitt, we'll never know how good this team really is/was because no one will give them credit for winning their bowl game either.

It was a "fluke"... right? Again?

It's chalked up as "ONE win over a team on a given day"... and "if they played 10 times"... how many times do you "experts" THINK they would win...

Blah, blah, blah.

They fucking won convincingly. Period. After seeing how Bama fared against Florida, if this were a "Plus One" year, or playoff, who's to say whether they could "get it up" again to win the next round against Florida or Oklahoma, and compete for a Title?

I don't give a shit about "split MNC's", or who the AP votes for. I'm just saying that this is yet another perfect example of why there HAS to be another round.

Obviously I've been pretty clear on my reasons for wanting a 16 team playoff, and yes, Boise wouldn't have been competitive, and neither would any of the other non-BCS conferences THIS YEAR...

But THIS YEAR, it's the MWC and Utah who deserves another round so we could find out ON THE FIELD if they are truly deserving, and not relying on someone's opinion.

Next year it might be another team from another non-BCS conference.

Obviously there is no way that they're going to make a jump from nothing to 16.

But they need to look at taking the BCS games, and playing those 8 teams out in a "playoff" (using the same selection process they have now to determine who those 8 teams are)...

...or, at a minimum, this year would have been served just fine with a "Plus One".

Bama vs Utah
Florida vs Oklahoma

Winners of each meet in the Finals.

Sure, you could end up with a re-match of Bama vs. Florida... or it very well could have been Texas vs. Utah... or Texas vs. Bama... and you could have ended up with a Texas vs. Oklahoma rematch.

So what. Those are the risks you take in a playoff format.

If EVERY major sport (including Baseball, with interleague play), college included, there is a chance of a re-match from the regular season happening again in the finals.

So fucking what.

So, the Yankees won a series against the Mets in June... so they shouldn't have to beat them again in the World Series if they both make it?

They already won in the regular season, so the voters should just vote the Yankees as World Series Champs?

Do you see how ridiculous these arguments sound when you apply them to other sports?

If Duke and North Carolina are in separate regional brackets, but both make it to the title game, should the winner be determined by who won their regular season games?

Or, if you are just adamantly opposed to two teams from the same conference getting into a Plus One... then USC vs. Utah, and Florida vs. Oklahoma.

Whatever.

But, for fucks sake, come up with some format to settle this shit on a football field already and end these discussions.

Off my soap box, and back to the Bowl game.

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[Epschtein]

i hear that, i dont know how utah would fare against florida or oklahoma or whoever but goddamn i know i would like to see it!