2008 College Football Discussion Thread

[JimBeam]

Say Alabama loses a close game to UF in the SEC title game why does that 1 loss make them less than Texas who also had a loss ?

Because it happened more recently ?

Then w/ that logic the Texas fans can't complain about OU's big win yesterday meaning more than their head to head win.

As far a USC being overrated I want to see them go to a BCS bowl, other than the Rose, so people can see that they can beat good teams.

Hopefully they'll get to play a good team, say the loser of the SEC title game, instead of a Utah or Big East team.

[Dash77]

I never said anything like that, what I did say was that PSU was the recipient of a weak big 10 conference, they are solid but I do not feel they deserve a NC shot, but that hasnt stopped teams in the past, like OU and OSU the past few years. And that poll is just ridiculous, 3 teams cant be tied at 6!!!


It happened a few years ago and here is a scenario, UT doesnt win very impressively and doesnt jump OU in the standings would mean OU in the NC game, It can and has happened so dont rule it out.

Im not even sure how the big 12 ends up if UT, TT, OU all win out. I imagine that if OU loses another game TT gets in and if TT loses another game its UT. But I have heard that the big 12 has the worst system in the event of a 3 way tie.

I think if there's a 3 way tie the higher ranking team goes to the big 12 championship game. Witch is crazy b/c UT beat OU who beat TT who beat UT and why does how bad you beat someone count more or as much as a head to head.. This type of mix-up is why the need a playoff cuse it's just to fucked up...

[ozzie]

You have to win your conference to be eligible to play for the NC now.

Which is why I'm hoping that Missouri can knock off whomever they send from the South, and hoping Oregon State will win out in the PAC 10.

Then you've got the SEC champ vs. ???

Next highest conference champ would then be Penn State, Utah or Missouri, and the other two Big12 South teams watching.

Or better yet, let Auburn knock off Bama this weekend to send them plumeting down the polls, but then still beat Florida to win the SEC. (Or similar situation with Fla State beating the Gaytors, but them upsetting Bama in the SEC CG)

If they get an undefeated Bama or one loss Florida vs. one of the one loss Big 12 South teams... the terrorists win.

[ozzie]

And finally... here's the latest BCS rankings:

1. Alabama .9872
2. Texas .9209
3. Oklahoma .9125
4. Florida .8755
5. USC .7974
6. Utah .7858
7. Texas Tech .7789
8. Penn State .7520
9. Boise State .6581
10. Ohio State .6210
11. Georgia .6020
12. Oklahoma State .5705


I'm actually shocked, since both human polls had OU ahead of Texas (which is 2/3 of the total)

Here's how the computer polls had them (which gave Texas the advantage)

1. Alabama
2. Texas
3. Oklahoma
4. Texas Tech
5. Utah
6. Florida
7. Penn State
8. USC
9. Georgia
10. Boise State
11. Oklahoma State
12. Ohio State
13. Missouri

Two of the six computer polls had Texas #1. One had Oklahoma #1. The other three had Bama.

It'll be interesting to see if a win over a ranked Oklahoma State team will be enough to push Oklahoma into the #2 spot.

As long as they can hang onto the edge in the two human polls, it should be enough to send OU to the Big 12 title game.

[SP1!]

Im not sure they put that in the rules that you have to win your conference to play in the NC game, wasnt there an article a few weeks ago about why its not a big deal?

Either way it does surprise me UT is still ahead of OU since they didnt just beat the team UT lost to, they stomped the shit out of them, well it looks like UT will be back in it vs one of the SEC teams since all PSU can do is drop down a couple spots.

[ozzie]

I couldn't sleep, and ended up trying to read up on what I could find on the "BCS Selection Process", and couldn't find anything other than:

"The top two teams in the final BCS Standings shall play in the National Championship Game."

So much for having to win your conference.

But while it might not be a "rule", obviously there is some pressure on the voters to put conference champions in. Otherwise, it's hard to explain how LSU jumped Georgia last year.

I also found a little more clarification saying that:

"No more than two teams from the same conference may play in the BCS bowls in any particular year."

Unless there is an upset, they're still planning on using the BCS rankings to break a three way tie in the Big 12 South.

Lately it's been late Sunday afternoon before the BCS standings are released. It'll be interesting to see how the three schools react on Sunday, and whether they'll all be on the field practicing for Missouri, just in case.

There was some interesting verbage about how the BCS money is divided (Including Notre Dame's automatic share, whether they make a BCS game or not), and also about how the conferences are evaluated in terms of keeping or gaining their conferences "Automatic Bid" status.

[Freakshow]

This one is a gem. PSU is #6 in the human polls, #7 in the computer polls, but #8 in the BCS.


This system is the worst ever. Blow this shit up right now! Kill it Kill it Kill it Kill it.

[JimBeam]

There's no way Utah should be ranked ahead of UF or Penn St.

See my beliefs on the credibility of a BCS conference schedule versus that of Utah's.

You have to win your conference to be eligible to play for the NC now.


If they aren't going to make this an ouright criteria then they need to make sure that the points system awards bonus points to teams that do win their conferences.

A +1.0 ( or -1.0 if it's the low score that's better ) should be enough to distance a conference winner from a team that didn't win it.

[ozzie]

There's no way Utah should be ranked ahead of UF or Penn St.

See my beliefs on the credibility of a BCS conference schedule versus that of Utah's.



If they aren't going to make this an ouright criteria then they need to make sure that the points system awards bonus points to teams that do win their conferences.

A +1.0 ( or -1.0 if it's the low score that's better ) should be enough to distance a conference winner from a team that didn't win it.

Yeah, I thought it was added after the Oklahoma disaster of 2003, but couldn't find it anywhere in the BCS selection process.

So the team from the Big12 South that is left out of their championship game, would be sitting pretty if there were an upset by Missouri.

The problem with moving the next highest ranked conference champion in (Penn State or Utah) is that their season's are done. The BCS will come out with another poll this Sunday, and if Texas or Oklahoma is sitting there at #3, and the one that goes to the championship game loses, it would expose the corruption if all of a sudden the voters jumped a conference champion over them and into the #2 spot.

Last year, LSU had just played the SEC championship, and the polls hadn't come out yet. So when they miraculously appeared at #2 (from #7), it was assumed that there was SO much weight on beating a two loss Tennessee, that they vaulted them ahead of Georgia, Va Tech and Kansas.

I think the conference champion deal is an unwritten agreement with the poll voters, but I guess we'll have to see what happens.

[JimBeam]

While it's normally unthinkable for a non-conference champ to play in the National Title game this year you might argue is an exception.

Say Oklahoma goes to the Big 12 title game and loses and say Alabama wins the SEC ( to avoid Alabama's argument as being a better 1 loss team than Texas, USC & Penn St ) you'd probably have a Texas/Alabama title game.

In this case could you say Texas didn't deserve to play for a title because they didn't win their conference ?

You could argue that they didn't get a chance to play for their conference title.

But then wouldn't Missouri argue that they won the Big 12 ?

Very messy.

[ozzie]

In this case could you say Texas didn't deserve to play for a title because they didn't win their conference ?

You could argue that they didn't get a chance to play for their conference title.

But then wouldn't Missouri argue that they won the Big 12 ?

Very messy.

I agree that with a tie for the South division, and Texas having beaten the South representative, it might "seem" acceptable to slide them into the NC.

But then again, if Missouri could beat Oklahoma, then it would be argued that they could have beaten Texas as well.

Still too many "coulda, woulda, shoulda"s for me. They would have avoided the chance of another loss, and then we're back to the Nebraska fiasco of 2001.

I still don't like teams that don't win their conference having a shot over other conf champs.

[SP1!]

I couldn't sleep, and ended up trying to read up on what I could find on the "BCS Selection Process", and couldn't find anything other than:

"The top two teams in the final BCS Standings shall play in the National Championship Game."

So much for having to win your conference.

But while it might not be a "rule", obviously there is some pressure on the voters to put conference champions in. Otherwise, it's hard to explain how LSU jumped Georgia last year.

I also found a little more clarification saying that:

"No more than two teams from the same conference may play in the BCS bowls in any particular year."

Unless there is an upset, they're still planning on using the BCS rankings to break a three way tie in the Big 12 South.

Lately it's been late Sunday afternoon before the BCS standings are released. It'll be interesting to see how the three schools react on Sunday, and whether they'll all be on the field practicing for Missouri, just in case.

There was some interesting verbage about how the BCS money is divided (Including Notre Dame's automatic share, whether they make a BCS game or not), and also about how the conferences are evaluated in terms of keeping or gaining their conferences "Automatic Bid" status.

Yeah thats all I found as well, you dont even have to win your conference to go to the NC game, which means USC could still sneak in and you can only send 2 from any one conference which means at least one big 12 team is left out. I think all of them play up until the last week so practicing is not a big deal but UT fans will be pissed if they go to the big 12, lose then OU gets into the NC game because they lost.

Oh and even though I think PSU got the advantage of a weak big 10 this year I still think they are leaps and bounds ahead of Utah, I have no idea why they are ranked so high.

[Coach_Mac]

It's funny but this is the first year I've ever been pro playoff. I actually love the bowl games and the scenarios leading up to them but being a Tx Tech fan, I've never had to think about us in the national title hunt until this year. Now I'm hating the BCS. But to be honest, part of me still loves the "season as a playoff" thing. If you can't get it done in the first 12 games, you don't belong. The only problem is punishing teams for losing late more that teams that lose early.

[ozzie]

It's funny but this is the first year I've ever been pro playoff. I actually love the bowl games and the scenarios leading up to them but being a Tx Tech fan, I've never had to think about us in the national title hunt until this year. Now I'm hating the BCS. But to be honest, part of me still loves the "season as a playoff" thing. If you can't get it done in the first 12 games, you don't belong. The only problem is punishing teams for losing late more that teams that lose early.

Funny how when it's YOUR team that gets screwed, it changes your opinion. Welcome aboard!

I've been a HUGE proponent of a playoff since 1983 when #3 Auburn had to play Michigan in the Sugar Bowl, and got jumped by #5 Miami by virtue of their beating #1 Nebraska heads-up in the Orange bowl. (#2 Texas lost the Cotton Bowl, and #4 Illinois was crushed in the Rose)

Miami played a good game, but it was Nebraska who went for the win at the end instead of settling for a tie (before there was OT in college). It was a dramatic ending in Prime Time, and because Auburn didn't win with any "style points", Miami was "voted" the National Champion by the AP and UPI.

The next year, we had to watch BYU get annointed with the "title" after winning a weak conference, and beating a 6 - 5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl.

And 2004 was unbearable.

I'm always curious to hear how people think a year end playoff would diminish the importance or the "season as a playoff" atmosphere that we have now.

It's all about winning your conference FIRST with the current system, and still would be with a limited playoff field of primarily conference champs.

Instead of the Big 12 only getting one team into the two-team BCS MNC game, wouldn't we be having the same discussions if only one from the Big 12 qualified for a playoff?

I'm not trying to be a prick. I've just heard most of the arguments against a playoff, and, to me, I've not heard any yet that are valid.

[Coach_Mac]

I'm always curious to hear how people think a year end playoff would diminish the importance or the "season as a playoff" atmosphere that we have now.

It's all about winning your conference FIRST with the current system, and still would be with a limited playoff field of primarily conference champs.

Instead of the Big 12 only getting one team into the two-team BCS MNC game, wouldn't we be having the same discussions if only one from the Big 12 qualified for a playoff?

I'm not trying to be a prick. I've just heard most of the arguments against a playoff, and, to me, I've not heard any yet that are valid.


Like I said, Im starting to change my opinion but here's why I llike the bowl system...I love college football because of the uniquness of the sport. Pro football is built for a true champion through a playoff. I love the tradition of the bowls (although I'd eliminate about 10 of them). My best example is 2 or 3 years ago Michigan/Ohio State. If you remember it was hyped all year long and when it finally came to that game- the last one of the season, they were ranked #1 and #2. On top of the fact it is one of the greatest rivalries in college football. Winner goes to the national chamionship. Then, it was an unbelievable game...something like 45-42. It lived up to all this hype. If there was a playoff...all that hype, all that build up, and the outcome of the game would be for nothing because they will both be in the playoff and play again. I love that there are increadibly meaningful games during the season. Also, don't think a playoff will eliminate contraversy. How many teams will you take? This year would Utah, TCU, and Ball State deserve to go? How can you leave Ball State out, but how can you put them in ahead of a Ohio State or Texas Tech? And to me, since the inception of the BCS it seems that even with all the contraversy the best 2 teams usually end up playing for the title anyway. The one time I can think of that was questionable in my opinion was a several years ago. I forgot the exact senario but I know Oregon and Nebraska were envolved. And this year it's gonna work out again. Florida and OU will play and nobody can deny those are the best 2 teams right now.

All that said...I still think I'm starting to change my mind:wink:

[SP1!]

Like I said, Im starting to change my opinion but here's why I llike the bowl system...I love college football because of the uniquness of the sport. Pro football is built for a true champion through a playoff. I love the tradition of the bowls (although I'd eliminate about 10 of them). My best example is 2 or 3 years ago Michigan/Ohio State. If you remember it was hyped all year long and when it finally came to that game- the last one of the season, they were ranked #1 and #2. On top of the fact it is one of the greatest rivalries in college football. Winner goes to the national chamionship. Then, it was an unbelievable game...something like 45-42. It lived up to all this hype. If there was a playoff...all that hype, all that build up, and the outcome of the game would be for nothing because they will both be in the playoff and play again. I love that there are increadibly meaningful games during the season. Also, don't think a playoff will eliminate contraversy. How many teams will you take? This year would Utah, TCU, and Ball State deserve to go? How can you leave Ball State out, but how can you put them in ahead of a Ohio State or Texas Tech? And to me, since the inception of the BCS it seems that even with all the contraversy the best 2 teams usually end up playing for the title anyway. The one time I can think of that was questionable in my opinion was a several years ago. I forgot the exact senario but I know Oregon and Nebraska were envolved. And this year it's gonna work out again. Florida and OU will play and nobody can deny those are the best 2 teams right now.

All that said...I still think I'm starting to change my mind:wink:

See we both look at that game differently, mainly because michigan was done and I dont think should have dropped it was their only loss of the season but they dropped cause they finished their season earlier. That was one of the biggest reasons for a playoff in my opinion, michigan got screwed when USC lost then florida jumped them, michigan should have gotten back in.

The in game season wont lose much meaning, its just that people will be playing for ranking instead of playing not to get fucked over by the system.

[JimBeam]

Not to switch gears off of the bowl talk but I caught a little bit of Brad Edwards ( at least I think it was him ) on ESPN this morning when was talking about Weis' job.

I'm a huge ND fand and to say I'm disappointed in what the " genius " has done is an understatement.

With that said I think way too much is being made of the fact that Weis and Willingham have identical records right now and if ND loses to USC as expected that Weis will have a worse record.

Even with a loss to USC they still have a shot at going to a bowl game, a very very weak bowl game, and could possibly win it.

The difference between the 2 has been recruiting. If we are to believe what we hear Weis has actually done a great job of recruiting over the last few years while Willingham was clearly not getting the job done.

I doubt they'll fire him this year and I think next year would be the defining momment for Weis.

His recruits will have gotten enough game experience to be able to compete at the highest level and there should be no reason for Navy, Syracuse and Pitt upsets.

If through 7 games or so it doesn't seem like it's working then you fire him.

I so would like them to fire him now because of how badly his impact on the actual game being played on the field has been but that could be a knee jerk reaction.

[ozzie]

Like I said, Im starting to change my opinion but here's why I llike the bowl system...I love college football because of the uniquness of the sport. Pro football is built for a true champion through a playoff. I love the tradition of the bowls (although I'd eliminate about 10 of them). My best example is 2 or 3 years ago Michigan/Ohio State. If you remember it was hyped all year long and when it finally came to that game- the last one of the season, they were ranked #1 and #2. On top of the fact it is one of the greatest rivalries in college football. Winner goes to the national chamionship. Then, it was an unbelievable game...something like 45-42. It lived up to all this hype. If there was a playoff...all that hype, all that build up, and the outcome of the game would be for nothing because they will both be in the playoff and play again. I love that there are increadibly meaningful games during the season. Also, don't think a playoff will eliminate contraversy. How many teams will you take? This year would Utah, TCU, and Ball State deserve to go? How can you leave Ball State out, but how can you put them in ahead of a Ohio State or Texas Tech? And to me, since the inception of the BCS it seems that even with all the contraversy the best 2 teams usually end up playing for the title anyway. The one time I can think of that was questionable in my opinion was a several years ago. I forgot the exact senario but I know Oregon and Nebraska were envolved. And this year it's gonna work out again. Florida and OU will play and nobody can deny those are the best 2 teams right now.

All that said...I still think I'm starting to change my mind:wink:

I can understand that, and if they allowed "at large" teams into a playoff, there would be a slight possibility of a re-match.

But if you remember, there were many that year that wanted to vote to keep Michigan #2 and have a re-match anyway. Florida barely got into that game, and we know how that one turned out.

And imagine if they each had a loss, and instead of #1 vs #2, it was #8 vs #9, and all they were playing for was a Rose Bowl bid, and neither was deemed "worthy" of playing for a championship. Wouldn't the importance of that game then have been improved by adding a playoff spot to play for? And a chance at a title?

I'm not arguing that the BCS doesn't do it's job of pitting #1 vs #2, and creating decent bowl matchups that we wouldn't have seen pre-1997. I just don't think that in any given year, ONLY two teams are "worthy" of having a chance to play for it.

As far as the other conference champs, I'm in the VAST minority on this board (and probably among all college football fans) in that I think that ALL 11 conference champs should qualify for a 16 team field, with 5 "at large" positions.

I know it's an extreme leap from where we are now, or what most people would settle for. But if I'm going to dream, I'm going to dream big.

Below would be my updated bracket, if I had to fill it out today:

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/22/l_36ad0fe0203f444b9345fbef16b5c743.jpg

This is assuming Oregon State gets in as the Pac 10 champ, and USC gets in as an "at large". Also assuming Bama and OU take their conferences. The other "at large" teams would be Ohio State, Texas, Florida and Texas Tech. All others are in by winning their conference.

I just think this would add MORE excitement to the regular season, and people would be watching and interested in other conferences to see how many teams they might get it. This year, UGA fans would be rooting for the Ducks this weekend, and Ohio State, Boise Stae, Texas Tech, TCU and Missouri are other "bubble" teams, who's fans would still be interested in the National picture, and a Missouri upset could knock even more teams out.

Instead of being down to just 4 teams and two conferences still having a legitamate shot with two weeks left to play, now the whole nation would be involved, and even the ACC championship game would have meaning.

And for the nay-sayers... NO, I Don't think that every team in this field would have a realistic chance of winning their first round game this year. But we won't know for sure unless you give them a shot. One year, they might. Let the MAC and Sun Belt fans have a little hope, and let one of their teams have a national audience for a change. So what if your favorite BCS conf team has to beat on a team from a lesser conference for another week.

Just look at the potential match ups in weeks two and three.

And I still think Utah could make a little noise in a playoff this year, but like 2004, we'll never know.

[Coach_Mac]

Hey I think Utah is a legit team and would have a shot in a playoff. See, I can see validity in your scenario but if they did it that way, there would be even more people griping than now that Troy or Tulsa(who lost to the worst team in the SEC) made the tournament over say, a Georgia or Missouri. Plus, I kind of like watching the car wreck that unfolds every year at the end of the season(until it happened to me this year). I still think more collisions are to come as Ok State or Missouri could be OU and I actually think your boys could beat Bama(even though they lost to the team I said was the worst in the SEC)

[JimBeam]

I think all 4 games this week are huge because they are rivalry games and historically they can tough.

In order of possible upset I'd rank them this way :

1 - Oklahoma St over Oklahoma
2 - A&M over Texas
3 - FSU over UF
4 - Auburn over Alabama

Maybe the A&M game should be first because I don't think Texas is as good as they appear.

[ozzie]

Hey I think Utah is a legit team and would have a shot in a playoff. See, I can see validity in your scenario but if they did it that way, there would be even more people griping than now that Troy or Tulsa(who lost to the worst team in the SEC) made the tournament over say, a Georgia or Missouri. Plus, I kind of like watching the car wreck that unfolds every year at the end of the season(until it happened to me this year). I still think more collisions are to come as Ok State or Missouri could be OU and I actually think your boys could beat Bama(even though they lost to the team I said was the worst in the SEC)

My argument to that, is that Georgia and Missouri had their chances against the top teams in their conference, and Missouri even gets another one.

I think 5 "at large" spots covers the BCS conferences that have more than one qualified team.

This year Troy had their shots at Ohio State, OK State and LSU (and lost all three), but there's no guarantee that the Sun Belt champ will get to face top BCS teams every year. They could be in the same position as Boise State, where there weren't any top BCS opponents on their schedule to be able to judge their strength.

If we're just looking at this year, then no, the Sun Belt and C-USA don't have any top 20 teams.

But if East Carolina had continued their run, there should be a spot for the C-USA champ in a playoff. And who's to say that Florida Atlantic or International couldn't continue to build a program the way South Florida has, and be a contender in a few years from the Sun Belt?

Right now, even if a C-USA or Sun Belt school did go undefeated, they wouldn't likely have a chance in the title game because of the "weakness" of their conference opponents. (See Ball State this year)

Some of these smaller schools are only a few impact players away from being able to compete, just as Miami (OH) was with Ben Roethlisberger, or if Marshall had Byron Leftwich and Randy Moss on the same team. Or TCU with Tomlinson.

I just feel that a playoff system should ensure that every D-1A team has a legitamate shot every year, and every coach can honestly tell their teams that if they win them all, they'll have a shot at the national title.

This is just my opinion, and I know that few will agree.

[RodneyHarrison]

My argument to that, is that Georgia and Missouri had their chances against the top teams in their conference, and Missouri even gets another one.

I think 5 "at large" spots covers the BCS conferences that have more than one qualified team.

This year Troy had their shots at Ohio State, OK State and LSU (and lost all three), but there's no guarantee that the Sun Belt champ will get to face top BCS teams every year. They could be in the same position as Boise State, where there weren't any top BCS opponents on their schedule to be able to judge their strength.

If we're just looking at this year, then no, the Sun Belt and C-USA don't have any top 20 teams.

But if East Carolina had continued their run, there should be a spot for the C-USA champ in a playoff. And who's to say that Florida Atlantic or International couldn't continue to build a program the way South Florida has, and be a contender in a few years from the Sun Belt?

Right now, even if a C-USA or Sun Belt school did go undefeated, they wouldn't likely have a chance in the title game because of the "weakness" of their conference opponents. (See Ball State this year)

Some of these smaller schools are only a few impact players away from being able to compete, just as Miami (OH) was with Ben Roethlisberger, or if Marshall had Byron Leftwich and Randy Moss on the same team. Or TCU with Tomlinson.

I just feel that a playoff system should ensure that every D-1A team has a legitamate shot every year, and every coach can honestly tell their teams that if they win them all, they'll have a shot at the national title.

This is just my opinion, and I know that few will agree.

they are on their way i think. It doesnt seem like much this year, but after being 1-11 last year. They are alot more respectable, FIU i mean. Plus the location is amazing. I can easily see them being in the mix as a BCS buster within 5 years


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[ozzie]

I think all 4 games this week are huge because they are rivalry games and historically they can tough.

In order of possible upset I'd rank them this way :

1 - Oklahoma St over Oklahoma
2 - A&M over Texas
3 - FSU over UF
4 - Auburn over Alabama

Maybe the A&M game should be first because I don't think Texas is as good as they appear.

Latest Vegas Odds:

1 - Oklahoma St (+7.5) over Oklahoma
2 - Auburn (+14) over Alabama
3 - FSU (+16.5) over UF
4 - Texas A&M (+35) over Texas

I've seen very slooow, but steady improvement in Auburn since the Tony Franklin firing, and mid-season meltdown. They didn't leave themselves much time to make changes to the Offense, and the D fell apart. The week off before the Iron Bowl has given them a chance to get some players healthy, and find out what offensive identity they want to have for this game. And having nothing to lose is a bonus.

Except for one their opener against Clemson, and a great first half against Georgia, Bama really hasn't dominated anyone besides Miss State.

They had to hold on to win at home against Kentucky and Ole Miss, and LSU took them to OT. Not to mention their streak of not trailing in any games, and never having to play from behind.

If AU can suprise them, and get an early lead... the haunting of "The Streak", and a possible SEVENTH loss in a row might start getting in their heads. John Parker Wilson has had a GREAT year, with few mistakes, and Julio has been a big addition to their passing game. But over the last few years, JP has had meltdowns before after one bad pick or a bad throw.

I give Bama all the credit for being undefeated, but they're not unbeatable. If AU can come up with any kind of offense, we might just have a chance.

[SP1!]

Thats bullshit because no way would troy, ball st, or tulsa even deserve to get in, this isnt the basketball tournament, a small team wont be a major power having an above average year. All 3 of those teams would get slaughtered in the first week of play and the only reason utah and boise state dont lose is because they play each other.

Again, I said major power having an above average year not some scrub that caught a top program on a down year.

[Coach_Mac]

My argument to that, is that Georgia and Missouri had their chances against the top teams in their conference, and Missouri even gets another one.

I think 5 "at large" spots covers the BCS conferences that have more than one qualified team.

This year Troy had their shots at Ohio State, OK State and LSU (and lost all three), but there's no guarantee that the Sun Belt champ will get to face top BCS teams every year. They could be in the same position as Boise State, where there weren't any top BCS opponents on their schedule to be able to judge their strength.

If we're just looking at this year, then no, the Sun Belt and C-USA don't have any top 20 teams.

But if East Carolina had continued their run, there should be a spot for the C-USA champ in a playoff. And who's to say that Florida Atlantic or International couldn't continue to build a program the way South Florida has, and be a contender in a few years from the Sun Belt?

Right now, even if a C-USA or Sun Belt school did go undefeated, they wouldn't likely have a chance in the title game because of the "weakness" of their conference opponents. (See Ball State this year)

Some of these smaller schools are only a few impact players away from being able to compete, just as Miami (OH) was with Ben Roethlisberger, or if Marshall had Byron Leftwich and Randy Moss on the same team. Or TCU with Tomlinson.

I just feel that a playoff system should ensure that every D-1A team has a legitamate shot every year, and every coach can honestly tell their teams that if they win them all, they'll have a shot at the national title.

This is just my opinion, and I know that few will agree.


I guess that's my main thing. I don't think every D1 team deserves a shot. Ball State would not win 1 game in the Big 12 or SEC so why should we pretend they deserve a shot at the national championship.

[ozzie]

a small team wont be a major power having an above average year.

Yeah, it'll NEVER happen. Every 4 Star HS player MUST ATTEND a BCS school. It's tradition, right? That's all that matters to 18 year old kids. EVERYONE wants to sit on a bench and wait 2 or 3 years to play for a MAJOR SCHOOL.

What Jim Leavitt is doing at South Florida is a FLUKE! Or could ONLY be done at a BCS School!

It CAN'T HAPPEN. It WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

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[Coach_Mac]

Yeah, it'll NEVER happen. Every 4 Star HS player MUST ATTEND a BCS school. It's tradition, right? That's all that matters to 18 year old kids. EVERYONE wants to sit on a bench and wait 2 or 3 years to play for a MAJOR SCHOOL.

What Jim Leavitt is doing at South Florida is a FLUKE! Or could ONLY be done at a BCS School!

It CAN'T HAPPEN. It WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

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Actually, S. Florida is a BCS school.

[ozzie]

I guess that's my main thing. I don't think every D1 team deserves a shot. Ball State would not win 1 game in the Big 12 or SEC so why should we pretend they deserve a shot at the national championship.

Relax. There is no playoff this year. You'll get your championship game with the two teams that the coaches and voters want you to have, and most people will go away happy thinking that they got it right.

The other 118 teams are just playing for bowl games anyway, and with the revenue sharing, it doesn't really matter what conference puts what teams into what bowls. It's strictly about the money, and for entertainment purposes only at that point.

And with 34 bowls, 34 teams get to end their season with a win (Yay), and we get to keep the "traditions" in place.

And if it weren't for the ACC raiding the Big East, USF would have likely been in the Sun Belt, and all of his achievements would have meant nothing to anyone. My point is that from what I'm being told, if USF wasn't in a BCS conference, then he couldn't have done what he's done. And no other non-BCS school can either.

[Coach_Mac]

Hey, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. :devil2:I like the bowl games yeaaa:devil2:

[SP1!]

Yeah, it'll NEVER happen. Every 4 Star HS player MUST ATTEND a BCS school. It's tradition, right? That's all that matters to 18 year old kids. EVERYONE wants to sit on a bench and wait 2 or 3 years to play for a MAJOR SCHOOL.

What Jim Leavitt is doing at South Florida is a FLUKE! Or could ONLY be done at a BCS School!

It CAN'T HAPPEN. It WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

PRINT IT!



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Actually, S. Florida is a BCS school.

Pretty much all that needed to be said.

Will it ever happen? Maybe but do you really think all those shit teams deserve to get in? Maybe utah and boise state but tulsa, troy, ball state I mean come on you cant be fucking serious.

[SP1!]

And if it weren't for the ACC raiding the Big East, USF would have likely been in the Sun Belt, and all of his achievements would have meant nothing to anyone. My point is that from what I'm being told, if USF wasn't in a BCS conference, then he couldn't have done what he's done. And no other non-BCS school can either.
You really dont get it, do you?

Most likely USF doesnt get some of their players if they arent in the big east, they get more exposure and make it more likely to get drafted than if they went to some shit school in a sub par conference.

Its why players choose to come to bigger football schools and sit on the bench just for the chance to be seen by a scout that may be looking at someone else.

[JimBeam]

Yeah, it'll NEVER happen. Every 4 Star HS player MUST ATTEND a BCS school. It's tradition, right? That's all that matters to 18 year old kids. EVERYONE wants to sit on a bench and wait 2 or 3 years to play for a MAJOR SCHOOL

Yeah but unfortunately 2 or 3 of the 5 star recruits don't make a program great.

Outside of limiting scholarships to something ridiculous like 50 per school the chances of making a smaller program competitive w/ the larger ones are unlikely.

Look what USC is doing.

They're getting great in state players who will sit instead of going to play at Cal Poly.

Fresno St seems to be somewhat succesful as a fledgling program but I'm doubting they compete often for the same players as USC.

I'd bet that a lot of Fresno St's players either wanted to go to USC and didn't make it or they transfered in from another school.

[ozzie]

You really dont get it, do you?

Most likely USF doesnt get some of their players if they arent in the big east, they get more exposure and make it more likely to get drafted than if they went to some shit school in a sub par conference.

Its why players choose to come to bigger football schools and sit on the bench just for the chance to be seen by a scout that may be looking at someone else.

No, trust me, I get it.

The major conferences are in control of D-1A football. They get the lion's share of the money and the TV coverage, and they like it that way, and want to keep it to themselves. And obviously, so do their fans.

I'm starting to realize that part of this "tradition" that everyone loves about college football is wanting to see the "traditional" teams, and anyone else is "shit".

In this system that everyone loves, only the BCS schools have a legit chance at a title, and if you had it your way, even in a playoff, only BCS schools would qualify.

And because the BCS schools can negotiate their own contracts for non-conference games, they can simply avoid any "uppity" "shit school" that starts winning games. There's always D-1AA teams to pick on. Then you all can point and laugh at their schedule and use that as justification to keep them down.

And until / unless these "sub par conferences" ever have a legit shot at a title, I agree, they are at a disadvantage.

If the NCAA did not have restrictions on transferring schools, you'd see more redshirt freshmen bailing for these "shit schools" once they get on campus and realize their playing time limitations.

If they transfer to another D-1A school, they have to sit out a year. Some still do it. Others opt for D-1AA schools where they don't have to sit out. And yes, some don't want to lose that year, so they stick it out.

Matt Cassel is the exception, not the rule. More often, a player who puts up big numbers for a "shit school" is drafted ahead of someone who rode the bench until their Senior year (or never started, like Cassel).

If you can play, the NFL scouts WILL find you. It happens every year. Some of the top recruits come from the same HS's of older players who made it to the NFL by playing at a "shit school", and they're realizing that the path is there if they want it.

Most recruits have so much smoke blown up their asses all through HS and by recruiters, that they commit to the bigger school with the idea that they'll be a star.

Unless they've got a good HS coach, parent, or advisor, kids make bad choices every year.

But even with all this, there are still scholarship limitations, and whether you like it or not, some of these "shit schools" are catching up. They're on TV almost as much as your BCS schools, and they're putting players into the NFL every year.

USF has only been a D-1A program for 10 years. It's a model for how to build a program, and FIU and FAU are paying attention. And South Alabama will be another D-1A school in a few years. If you think that it CAN'T happen for them just because of the conference they're in, you're in for disappointment.

But then again, as long as no one will ever give a Sun Belt team a shot, you won't have to worry about it.

[SP1!]

No, trust me, I get it.

The major conferences are in control of D-1A football. They get the lion's share of the money and the TV coverage, and they like it that way, and want to keep it to themselves. And obviously, so do their fans.

I'm starting to realize that part of this "tradition" that everyone loves about college football is wanting to see the "traditional" teams, and anyone else is "shit".

In this system that everyone loves, only the BCS schools have a legit chance at a title, and if you had it your way, even in a playoff, only BCS schools would qualify.

If I really said that then I would believe that no team outside a few conferences should be allowed to play, I never said that did I? Hell I would support exclusion of any conference that had a shit year, I just pick on the big east cause their years seem shitty most of the time, the pac 10 is a close second with their bottom teams really stinking up the place. If a team truly deserves to play fine, but dont fucking tell me ball st, troy, or tulsa deserve a place this year its just not fucking true. Besides arent you an auburn fan? If so they are part of the problem.

Also, here is another reason to hate the BCS:

BCS SUCKS ASS (http://www.faniq.com/blog/James-Madison-Ranked-In-The-Top-25-Of-The-Sagarin-Computer-Rating-Which-Helps-Determine-BCS-Rankings-Blog-14863)

This is the main reason why I hate those computer polls, most of the time they are bullshit, just like the same ones who say USC has the best defense, shit they play in a conference that has crap teams no wonder they are on top. Like I said earlier in this thread, Im more impressed with south carolina being top 5 in the SEC.

[ozzie]

Anyone watching Ball State v. Western Michigan?

After W. Michigan knocked off Illinois, I really thought this would be a better game, but Ball State is dominating.

This is only the 3rd or 4th time I've watched a majority of a Ball State game this year. The others were earlier in the year (beating Indiana 42 - 20 was one).

Assuming they can beat Buffalo in the MAC championship, I don't know what more any MAC team could have done with this schedule to earn respect, and something more than a trip to the great city of Detroit and the Motor City Bowl.

[SP1!]

Anyone watching Ball State v. Western Michigan?

After W. Michigan knocked off Illinois, I really thought this would be a better game, but Ball State is dominating.

This is only the 3rd or 4th time I've watched a majority of a Ball State game this year. The others were earlier in the year (beating Indiana 42 - 20 was one).

Assuming they can beat Buffalo in the MAC championship, I don't know what more any MAC team could have done with this schedule to earn respect, and something more than a trip to the great city of Detroit and the Motor City Bowl.

Yes ball state, the same team who got credit last week for beating central michigan, the very same team that georgia got shit for scheduling and then crushing earlier in the season because they were were a shitty team. The same team that ball state beat by a touchdown, georgia beat by 39, so that means that ball state deserves respect?

I repeat, when they play a schedule not loaded with teams that would be considered cupcakes by the rest of the nation I may agree they belong, until then they can play in some shit bowl on december 20th. When they play decent teams they can be considered for a playoff, if there ever is one, until then they get what they deserve, no consideration.

[Coach_Mac]

Yes ball state, the same team who got credit last week for beating central michigan, the very same team that georgia got shit for scheduling and then crushing earlier in the season because they were were a shitty team. The same team that ball state beat by a touchdown, georgia beat by 39, so that means that ball state deserves respect?

I repeat, when they play a schedule not loaded with teams that would be considered cupcakes by the rest of the nation I may agree they belong, until then they can play in some shit bowl on december 20th. When they play decent teams they can be considered for a playoff, if there ever is one, until then they get what they deserve, no consideration.

The problem with that is that no BCS team is going to schedule them...or at least no good BCS team...Indiana. So they will never have a chance to play quality non conference competition. The only reason Ball St. won't get in a BCS bowl this year is they picked the wrong year to go undefeated. Utah and Boise are doing it too. Last year Hawaii played a garbage schedule and won every game but got toasted in their BCS bowl.

My opinion is to put Boise State and Fresno State (and maybe Nevada) in the Mountain West and take out San Diego st and Wyoming and make it a BCS conference. Crap, its much better than the Pac 10 as it is. Of course....I said that about the MAC about 5 years ago when N. Illinois, Toledo, Marshall, Bowling Green, Akron, and Miami were all legit and that turned around. However, if it was a BCS league, it probbaly would have stayed stronger.

[ozzie]

Yes ball state, the same team who got credit last week for beating central michigan, the very same team that georgia got shit for scheduling and then crushing earlier in the season because they were were a shitty team. The same team that ball state beat by a touchdown, georgia beat by 39, so that means that ball state deserves respect?

I repeat, when they play a schedule not loaded with teams that would be considered cupcakes by the rest of the nation I may agree they belong, until then they can play in some shit bowl on december 20th. When they play decent teams they can be considered for a playoff, if there ever is one, until then they get what they deserve, no consideration.

Yeah, I get it already. Ball State is shit. Going undefeated in any conference other than the SEC or Big 12 means shit. Nate Davis is shit. MiQuale Lewis is shit. The MAC is shit. The Big East is shit. The ACC is shit. The Pac 10 is shit. Utah is shit. Boise State is shit.

You just keep coming in here and repeating the same lines, and shitting on every other team.

We know. Nobody plays anybody except the SEC and the Big 12.

Why bother reading or posting in a "College Football" thread at all?

Hell, start a "SEC and Big 12 discussion" thread, and enjoy yourself.


There was ONE college football game on tonight, and I came in here and posted about it. And, right on cue, you come right behind me and shit on it.


Seriously, what happened to the guy, who after week one, was giving Notre Dame credit for squeaking out a win over San Diego State, who "has had some pretty good teams recently"?

Did Bama coming into Athens and kicking your dog and your dream of a perfect season just totally change your outlook on the game?

Oh, and NOW you know who Central Michigan is? At the time you thought Georgia was playing Coastal Carolina. But, same difference, right? They're all SHIT.

[ozzie]

The problem with that is that no BCS team is going to schedule them...or at least no good BCS team...Indiana. So they will never have a chance to play quality non conference competition.

You can't say that they're not trying...

Below are Ball State's future football games, which have been contracted with other schools thru 2014:

2008
Aug. 28 NORTHEASTERN
Sept. 6 NAVY
Sept. 20 at Indiana
Oct. 11 at Western Kentucky

2009
Sept. 3 NORTH TEXAS STATE
Sept. 19 at Army
Sept. 26 at Auburn

2010
Sept. 2 MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE
Sept. 11 at Clemson
Sept. 18 at Purdue

2011
Sept. 10 at South Florida
Sept. 17 at Middle Tennessee State
Sept. 24 ARMY

2012
Sept. 22 SOUTH FLORIDA
Oct. 27 at Army

2013
Sept. 7 ARMY
Sept. 14 at North Texas State

2014
Oct. 4 at Army

The problem these schools face is that IF a BCS agrees to play them, it will be at their place, or not at all, and they rarely do multi-year deals.

South Florida is the only BCS school on their upcoming schedule who agreed to a "home and home" series over two years. All other BCS schools are one time deals, on the road.

[ozzie]

Oh, and the shitty Junior QB Nate Davis, from shitty Ball State of the shit sub-par MAC conference, is a projected first or second round pick in the 2009 NFL Draft if he decides to leave early. (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/others/0-2-204/Ball-State-s-Davis-is-becoming-a-hot-NFL-commodity.html)

[JimBeam]

If the NCAA did not have restrictions on transferring schools, you'd see more redshirt freshmen bailing for these "shit schools" once they get on campus and realize their playing time limitations.

And you don't think it would work the other way ?

You don't think a kid who goes to FSU as a freshman and get's tired of playing there might just decide to transfer to a UF team that might win it's 2nd title in 3 years ?

Also take out the football aspect of it and realize that these are colleges who's main goal is education ( and that's not to open an argument on " student athletes " ).

USF has only been a D-1A program for 10 years. It's a model for how to build a program, and FIU and FAU are paying attention. And South Alabama will be another D-1A school in a few years. If you think that it CAN'T happen for them just because of the conference they're in, you're in for disappointment.

But what about the BCS schools that have been around forever that haven't won anything ?

All of a sudden UCF and FIU will accomplish in 10 years what Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Texas A&M, Kansas, Oregon St, Standford, etc .... haven't accomplished in the last 50 years ?

Oh, and the shitty Junior QB Nate Davis, from shitty Ball State of the shit sub-par MAC conference, is a projected first or second round pick in the 2009 NFL Draft if he decides to leave early.

What players get drafted has nothing at all to do with college football.

You want to point to one kid, from one school as the formula ?

What about the 600 other kids that are going to get drafted from BCS schools ?

Ball St has made it, by your definition, when they have more kids drafted than a UF, Texas or even a Baylor.

To show it's not just your argument I have an issue w/ Ozzie ( and obvioulsy nothing personal ) I disagree w/ some of what SP1! says :

...just like the same ones who say USC has the best defense, shit they play in a conference that has crap teams no wonder they are on top.

Shutting out 3 teams from a BCS conference, no matter how bad they are, means something.

It's not like they did it in the WAC but a team doing that there would imprssive as well.

Coach Mac :

The problem with that is that no BCS team is going to schedule them...or at least no good BCS team.

While there are a lot of BCS schools that avoid playing non-conference games against other BCS schools or the mid-majors there are also a lot that do.

So it's not like the BCS schools are hiding from schools.

There is a business sense to the home/home aspect.

It costs schools a lot of money to travel so an LSU or a USC isn't going to travel to a 30,000seat stadium to play a team.

It's just not financially worth it.

The money that the BCS school pays the visiting school more than covers their expenses but it's not mutual.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, it'll NEVER happen. Every 4 Star HS player MUST ATTEND a BCS school. It's tradition, right? That's all that matters to 18 year old kids. EVERYONE wants to sit on a bench and wait 2 or 3 years to play for a MAJOR SCHOOL.

What Jim Leavitt is doing at South Florida is a FLUKE! Or could ONLY be done at a BCS School!

It CAN'T HAPPEN. It WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

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that fuckin RULES

[ozzie]

And you don't think it would work the other way ?

You don't think a kid who goes to FSU as a freshman and get's tired of playing there might just decide to transfer to a UF team that might win it's 2nd title in 3 years ?

Never said it didn't. Moody got to USC, saw the competition at running back there, and transferred to Florida.

Why? More playing time.

Sure, if they could transfer to a contending BCS school and get playing time, obviously that's the preferred way to go. But that doesn't happen as often as players going DOWN to D-1AA or smaller D-1A schools.

But what about the BCS schools that have been around forever that haven't won anything ?

All of a sudden UCF and FIU will accomplish in 10 years what Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Texas A&M, Kansas, Oregon St, Standford, etc .... haven't accomplished in the last 50 years ?

Let me set this straight. I didn't come in here and start knocking other "traditional" programs. I'm arguing against people who say that a small school WON'T ever compete for recruits, or on the field.

But to answer your question, I'd say that right now USF is on par with most of the schools you mentioned as far as talent, wins, etc., over the last few years, and they are on their way UP. UCF, FAU and FIU aren't near where USF is yet, but I'd say they're trending UP as well.

It's proof that it CAN happen at a "small school", and I don't buy the idea that they're only getting kids because they're in the Big East.

I'm not saying it WILL happen. I'm not as arrogant as some in here that KNOW what WILL happen. My point was that if you've got a committed, enthusiastic coach like Leavitt or Schiano, and put him at another D-1A school in a rich, talent loaded area like southern Florida, it CAN happen.

There are other more "traditional" programs that are making similar improvements, and making a committment to football. I'd put Rutgers, North Carolina, Duke and Connecticut in that same category. Their dumping tons of cash into facitlities improvements, and coaching salaries.

Kansas used to be the doormat of the Big 12 (or Big 8). Always just a basketball school like Kentucky, NC and Duke. But they're all realizing the $$ and prestige that comes with winning football games, so they're making a committment to the sport.

BCS schools rise and fall every year, and no one bats an eye when a long time loser suddenly puts a team together for a few years. In fact, people cheer for those teams. When Vandy, Duke and Northwestern were all ranked, or near the top 25, the sports media were all over them, and rooting for them to win.

People have the opposite reaction to non-BCS teams, and it's bullshit. All they do is catch hell on talk radio and the national media (and message boards) about how bad they suck, or how "they don't play anyone".

Last night was a great night for little old Ball State (first undefeated season since 1949), and they should have been able to enjoy it.

Instead, on ESPN Interactive, there were tons of comments and voice messages about how they would get EXPOSED if they played a "REAL TEAM".

Jesus, let them enjoy the fucking moment already.

I don't get why fans get so threatened by it.

What players get drafted has nothing at all to do with college football.

You want to point to one kid, from one school as the formula ?

What about the 600 other kids that are going to get drafted from BCS schools ?

Ball St has made it, by your definition, when they have more kids drafted than a UF, Texas or even a Baylor.

It might not prove that a team is good or bad, but it shows that there is TALENT on this Ball State team, and they're not just a bunch of scrubs beating on the little sisters of the poor.

It was a response to those that said that if a recruit want to make it to the NFL, they WILL choose a BCS school.

It wasn't MY definition of "making it".

I'm saying that there IS talent at these non-BCS schools, and their top players DO get drafted.

I'm telling you, they don't ALL go to the "traditional" programs, and they CAN'T all go there even if they wanted to because of scholarship limitations, and even those that do go can't ALL get playing time at ONCE.

Brandon Jacobs came to Auburn, spent a year sharing carries with Carnell and Ronnie Brown, and bolted for Southern Illinois, and was drafted the next year.

Could he have been "discovered" while a scout was there watching the other two? Maybe. But he had a chance to start and show his skills immediately at SIU, and for his career, he made the right choice.

[JimBeam]

I'd say that right now USF is on par with most of the schools you mentioned as far as talent, wins ...

Yeah but Vandebilt and UK are playing the likes of UF and UGA every season so that's 2 games there that they are playing against Top 20 teams.

It's tough to rack up wins w/ a schedule like that so you can't compare an FIU win/loss record to that of an SEC East team.

But that doesn't happen as often as players going DOWN to D-1AA or smaller D-1A schools.

It doesn't happen now because it's not an option.

The rule is there, along with the scholarship limitations, to protect the smaller schools.

You don't think the big schools would stockpile the best players ?

UF might one year lose out to a kid because he doesn't wanna back up Tebow but what would stop him from then deciding to transfer there when Tebow left ?

It was a response to those that said that if a recruit want to make it to the NFL, they WILL choose a BCS school.

I didn't see that in a previous post so my bad.

[Coach_Mac]

USF keeps getting thrown around as an example of a school that went from nothing to national spotlight but they are an exceptional case....USF has something like 50,000 students, more than any other Big East school (I think). Plus it.s in the best football state in the Big East. So it's not like this little nothing school coming out of nowhere.
I really don't know who I'm arguing with, just thought I'd point that out.

[ozzie]

It doesn't happen now because it's not an option.

The rule is there, along with the scholarship limitations, to protect the smaller schools..

If you transfer to another D-1A school, you have to sit out a year.

Mitch Mustain left Arkansas for USC. He sat out last year, and is now third on the depth chart as a Sophomore.

Ryan Mallett left Michigan for Arkansas. He's sitting out this year.

If you transfer to a lower division, you do not.

Ryan Perriloux is playing this year at Jacksonville State.

And these are just some of the big time QB's that have made the move recently.

It does happen.

[ozzie]

USF keeps getting thrown around as an example of a school that went from nothing to national spotlight but they are an exceptional case....USF has something like 50,000 students, more than any other Big East school (I think). Plus it.s in the best football state in the Big East. So it's not like this little nothing school coming out of nowhere.
I really don't know who I'm arguing with, just thought I'd point that out.

Yes, and Central Florida (Conference USA) has a similar enrollment, located in the heart of tourist central (Disney, Universal, etc), which means jobs for students and $$$, just built a new stadium, and is another program on the way UP.

It can happen there... it can happen in talent rich Texas or California... and look at how many D-1A programs the states of Ohio and Michigan fill with players. THE Ohio State University can't get them all.

I don't think South Alabama has the money or facilites to compete for YEARS, but there's an abundance of talent in the area, and many may choose to stay closer to home.

They've already got games scheduled with SEC and other BCS schools going out to 2013 and beyond.

Troy is making $1mil for a trip to Columbus, OH this year.

The money will come for these start up teams, if they're willing to travel and take a beating for a few years to get it.

[SP1!]

Yeah, I get it already. Ball State is shit. Going undefeated in any conference other than the SEC or Big 12 means shit. Nate Davis is shit. MiQuale Lewis is shit. The MAC is shit. The Big East is shit. The ACC is shit. The Pac 10 is shit. Utah is shit. Boise State is shit.

You just keep coming in here and repeating the same lines, and shitting on every other team.

We know. Nobody plays anybody except the SEC and the Big 12.

Why bother reading or posting in a "College Football" thread at all?

Hell, start a "SEC and Big 12 discussion" thread, and enjoy yourself.


There was ONE college football game on tonight, and I came in here and posted about it. And, right on cue, you come right behind me and shit on it.


Seriously, what happened to the guy, who after week one, was giving Notre Dame credit for squeaking out a win over San Diego State, who "has had some pretty good teams recently"?

Did Bama coming into Athens and kicking your dog and your dream of a perfect season just totally change your outlook on the game?

Oh, and NOW you know who Central Michigan is? At the time you thought Georgia was playing Coastal Carolina. But, same difference, right? They're all SHIT.

You are really bitter about something, about what I have no idea, maybe because auburn is losing another coach at the end of the season.

And are you really comparing SDSU to ball st? SDSU has had some decent teams in the past few years but none of them deserve to be considered for a BCS game, there is a big difference between a decent team and being good enough for a NC/BCS game.

But still I know you are just trying to cover the fact that you know nothing about the game and think just because a team goes undefeated means they are a good team. Ball state played a schedule that any of the big conferences would have gotten shit for by being full of cupcakes, thats what happens when your hardest game is against Navy or Indiana.

There are plenty of fine conferences besides the big 12 and SEC but to say ball st even deserves to be in the mix is just insane.

[ozzie]

Auburn Coaches since 1951:

51 - 75 Shug Jordan
76 - 80 Doug Barfield
81 - 92 Pat Dye
93 - 98 Terry Bowden
98 - __ Tommy Tuberville

Yeah, "another" head coach. Five coaches over 57 years? Yeah, very high turnover rate at AU.

Do you ever actually check any facts, or just spew bullshit about everything?

I wasn't comparing Ball State to anyone. Just pointing out that at one time during this season you actually were just in here shitting on every other team.

And once again, you might want to check your facts on SDSU record:

2008 - 2 - 10
2007 - 4 - 8
2006 - 3 - 9
2005 - 5 - 7
2004 - 4 - 7
2003 - 6 - 6
2002 - 4 - 9

And this is playing in a "shit", "sub par" Mountain West conference.

This is "decent" or "pretty good"? Really?

You can look at this team, and find something "decent" to say about them, but just continue to shit all over Ball State?

4 - 8 is pretty good, but going undefeated in a similar conference means nothing?

And you say that *I* am bitter?

Nope, I'm not bitter at all. I love discussing and debating college football with reasonable people. Even those with different opinions.

I usually just respond with facts until people start making personal attacks.

If you can find where I ever said that Ball State should be considered for the NC game, or a BCS bowl, please, by all means, find it and quote it.

All I said was that they deserve something more than the Motor City bowl.

But, I forgot. There were probably too many words in that post for you to be bothered with reading them all.

And I know enough about this game to know better than to try to claim that I KNOW everything, and KNOW what will happen with any team.

Seriously, why waste your time with us? You should be out there laying bets on these games seeing how you already KNOW which teams are better without them having to play the game.

[SP1!]

Never said it didn't. Moody got to USC, saw the competition at running back there, and transferred to Florida.

Why? More playing time.

Sure, if they could transfer to a contending BCS school and get playing time, obviously that's the preferred way to go. But that doesn't happen as often as players going DOWN to D-1AA or smaller D-1A schools.



Let me set this straight. I didn't come in here and start knocking other "traditional" programs. I'm arguing against people who say that a small school WON'T ever compete for recruits, or on the field.

But to answer your question, I'd say that right now USF is on par with most of the schools you mentioned as far as talent, wins, etc., over the last few years, and they are on their way UP. UCF, FAU and FIU aren't near where USF is yet, but I'd say they're trending UP as well.

It's proof that it CAN happen at a "small school", and I don't buy the idea that they're only getting kids because they're in the Big East.

I'm not saying it WILL happen. I'm not as arrogant as some in here that KNOW what WILL happen. My point was that if you've got a committed, enthusiastic coach like Leavitt or Schiano, and put him at another D-1A school in a rich, talent loaded area like southern Florida, it CAN happen.

There are other more "traditional" programs that are making similar improvements, and making a committment to football. I'd put Rutgers, North Carolina, Duke and Connecticut in that same category. Their dumping tons of cash into facitlities improvements, and coaching salaries.

Kansas used to be the doormat of the Big 12 (or Big 8). Always just a basketball school like Kentucky, NC and Duke. But they're all realizing the $$ and prestige that comes with winning football games, so they're making a committment to the sport.

BCS schools rise and fall every year, and no one bats an eye when a long time loser suddenly puts a team together for a few years. In fact, people cheer for those teams. When Vandy, Duke and Northwestern were all ranked, or near the top 25, the sports media were all over them, and rooting for them to win.

People have the opposite reaction to non-BCS teams, and it's bullshit. All they do is catch hell on talk radio and the national media (and message boards) about how bad they suck, or how "they don't play anyone".

Last night was a great night for little old Ball State (first undefeated season since 1949), and they should have been able to enjoy it.

Instead, on ESPN Interactive, there were tons of comments and voice messages about how they would get EXPOSED if they played a "REAL TEAM".

Jesus, let them enjoy the fucking moment already.

I don't get why fans get so threatened by it.



It might not prove that a team is good or bad, but it shows that there is TALENT on this Ball State team, and they're not just a bunch of scrubs beating on the little sisters of the poor.

It was a response to those that said that if a recruit want to make it to the NFL, they WILL choose a BCS school.

It wasn't MY definition of "making it".

I'm saying that there IS talent at these non-BCS schools, and their top players DO get drafted.

I'm telling you, they don't ALL go to the "traditional" programs, and they CAN'T all go there even if they wanted to because of scholarship limitations, and even those that do go can't ALL get playing time at ONCE.

Brandon Jacobs came to Auburn, spent a year sharing carries with Carnell and Ronnie Brown, and bolted for Southern Illinois, and was drafted the next year.

Could he have been "discovered" while a scout was there watching the other two? Maybe. But he had a chance to start and show his skills immediately at SIU, and for his career, he made the right choice.

Moody transferred because USC doesnt run the ball that much and I never said the won compete for transfers, what I said was that they cant compete week in week out with better competition than what they face against teams that would be considered cupcakes by SEC, big 12, big 10, hell even by pac 10 standards. They do get a few decent stars every few years but that does not mean they have a full team up to that standard, can they get discovered at a smaller school? Certainly, will they? Maybe not and the odds are better if they go to a bigger name school, its a fact so quit acting like its not.

I will not perpetuate the charade that ball state has the kind of team that could compete with other undefeated BCS schools, its just not true. I was pointing out the fact that every one celebrated a win over a team, that even though they were 9-1 they got crushed by what you call an over rated georgia team. They may be over rated but that doesnt change the fact that they crushed a team on a shitty ball st schedule.

Ball state can have its moment but dont ever think for one second they are playing a schedule that is even remotely close to top tier programs.

[ozzie]

Moody transferred because USC doesnt run the ball that much

And Florida does?

You're talking about the University of Southern California, right? "Running Back U"? Hmmm... ok.

I will not perpetuate the charade that ball state has the kind of team that could compete with other undefeated BCS schools

There's only one left.

And who said they could? Seriously, find it, and quote it if you can.

they got crushed by what you call an over rated georgia team.

When did I say this? Again, find it, and quote it if you can.

Do you post on other message boards, and are maybe getting us confused with someone else?

And you do realize that not ALL of my posts are directed towards YOU, right?

The whole post you quoted was in response to someone else.

[SP1!]

Auburn Coaches since 1951:

51 - 75 Shug Jordan
76 - 80 Doug Barfield
81 - 92 Pat Dye
93 - 98 Terry Bowden
98 - __ Tommy Tuberville

Yeah, "another" head coach. Five coaches over 57 years? Yeah, very high turnover rate at AU.

Do you ever actually check any facts, or just spew bullshit about everything?

I wasn't comparing Ball State to anyone. Just pointing out that at one time during this season you actually were just in here shitting on every other team.

And once again, you might want to check your facts on SDSU record:

2008 - 2 - 10
2007 - 4 - 8
2006 - 3 - 9
2005 - 5 - 7
2004 - 4 - 7
2003 - 6 - 6
2002 - 4 - 9

And this is playing in a "shit", "sub par" Mountain West conference.

This is "decent" or "pretty good"? Really?

You can look at this team, and find something "decent" to say about them, but just continue to shit all over Ball State?

4 - 8 is pretty good, but going undefeated in a similar conference means nothing?

And you say that *I* am bitter?

Nope, I'm not bitter at all. I love discussing and debating college football with reasonable people. Even those with different opinions.

I usually just respond with facts until people start making personal attacks.

If you can find where I ever said that Ball State should be considered for the NC game, or a BCS bowl, please, by all means, find it and quote it.

All I said was that they deserve something more than the Motor City bowl.

But, I forgot. There were probably too many words in that post for you to be bothered with reading them all.

And I know enough about this game to know better than to try to claim that I KNOW everything, and KNOW what will happen with any team.

Seriously, why waste your time with us? You should be out there laying bets on these games seeing how you already KNOW which teams are better without them having to play the game.

Yeah way to selectively choose the years, it looks a little worse for auburn if you say 3rd coach in 15 years at the illustrious auburn program. And the I am remembering SDSU from when marshall was there, thats about it but thanks for the info proving that more teams not in BCS divisions dont deserve consideration for the NC.

And no, you didnt put them in a BCS game, what you did do is say they should be in your playoff set up which is just fucking ridiculous, they have not played the caliber of team to say that they deserve to be in the NC mix.

[SP1!]

And Florida does?

You're talking about the University of Southern California, right? "Running Back U"? Hmmm... ok.



There's only one left.

And who said they could? Seriously, find it, and quote it if you can.



When did I say this? Again, find it, and quote it if you can.

Do you post on other message boards, and are maybe getting us confused with someone else?

And you do realize that not ALL of my posts are directed towards YOU, right?

The whole post you quoted was in response to someone else.

Running back U was from the 70s, the next USC RB I could name would be marcus allen from 81, since then the only one I can think of is reggie and lendale, 20 years is too much of a gap for them to be called RB U anymore.

I also like how you preface all of your diatribes with quote it, you put them in the playoff mix which means they should even be mentioned in the same breath as other playoff teams. You may have not been the one saying UGA was over rated but you have alluded to it and I wont even disagree with that, a decimated line will kill your team.

Again, a playoff is needed but I dont think every conference winner should get into the mix, its not like basketball where a team can afford a loss and still make it in, thats why teams dont take chances with teams that play in a lesser conference but can compete. Now if they were to have a 16 team playoff and then have a few teams have play-in games you could make that argument, it would even give some much needed viewers to these bowls that no one ever watches.

[ozzie]

Yeah way to selectively choose the years, it looks a little worse for auburn if you say 3rd coach in 15 years at the illustrious auburn program. And the I am remembering SDSU from when marshall was there, thats about it but thanks for the info proving that more teams not in BCS divisions dont deserve consideration for the NC.

And no, you didnt put them in a BCS game, what you did do is say they should be in your playoff set up which is just fucking ridiculous, they have not played the caliber of team to say that they deserve to be in the NC mix.

Man, you twist everything around.

Let me say this again, slowly.

There... will... not... be... a... playoff... this... year.

Or next year.

Or likely until this new ESPN contract runs out.

So relax already.

Somewhere about 15 pages or so ago, people were throwing around ideas for a playoff, and IF it happened, who should get in, and who shouldn't.

Go back and actually read some of these posts again.

I proposed a 16 team field with all 11 conference champions, and 5 "at large" teams.

The reasoning, was that it would end any dispute over ANY teams being left out.

The... End.

Oh, but I throw up a sample bracket of how it could help end some of the debate THIS YEAR (when there will NOT BE A PLAYOFF).... add the corresponding conference winners... and THAT is how you get that I'm saying that Ball State, Troy and Tulsa "deserve to be in the NC mix THIS YEAR"?

I know I can get wordy. You're not the first to tell me that. But if you had actually READ anything that went along with the "SAMPLE" bracket I posted, then maybe you wouldn't get so worked up over this shit.

[ozzie]

http://www.trojanwire.com/images/SI_2007.jpg

[SP1!]

Man, you twist everything around.

Let me say this again, slowly.

There... will... not... be... a... playoff... this... year.

Or next year.

Or likely until this new ESPN contract runs out.

So relax already.

Somewhere about 15 pages or so ago, people were throwing around ideas for a playoff, and IF it happened, who should get in, and who shouldn't.

Go back and actually read some of these posts again.

I proposed a 16 team field with all 11 conference champions, and 5 "at large" teams.

The reasoning, was that it would end any dispute over ANY teams being left out.

The... End.

Oh, but I throw up a sample bracket of how it could help end some of the debate THIS YEAR (when there will NOT BE A PLAYOFF).... add the corresponding conference winners... and THAT is how you get that I'm saying that Ball State, Troy and Tulsa "deserve to be in the NC mix THIS YEAR"?

I know I can get wordy. You're not the first to tell me that. But if you had actually READ anything that went along with the "SAMPLE" bracket I posted, then maybe you wouldn't get so worked up over this shit.Jesus I never said there would be a playoff this year, your assumption was that those teams belonged simply because they were conference champs, most people would say that is bullshit cause those conferences are usually bad teams or bad when compared to the other conferences. Its not basketball one player wont win a championship, Im all for expanding it to lesser conferences but I dont think MWC, MAC, C-USA would deserve an automatic spot in a playoff. If you let those teams in you would have more people yelling, like I said we could have play-in games using little known bowl games for teams that are left undefeated or little conference champions, you give those bowls revenue and more of a meaning.

http://www.trojanwire.com/images/SI_2007.jpg
Yeah that cover is nice but its not true anymore, hell one of those guys arent even there anymore and like I said there are no great backs from USC for 20+ years.

[ozzie]

Jesus I never said there would be a playoff this year, your assumption was that those teams belonged simply because they were conference champs, most people would say that is bullshit cause those conferences are usually bad teams or bad when compared to the other conferences.

Ok, maybe when you think back, and put it ALL together, it will make sense.

There will not be a playoff for YEARS.

WHEN there is, there will be arguments about who should get it.

Then, you'll remember all the conversations about how other conferences have produced contenders from time to time... and then maybe some "diatribe" about how some smaller programs are on their way UP...

Then maybe you'll remember about how we were talking about how there HAVE been years where an isolated team (like Utah 2004 or this year) in a given year, MIGHT be legit, and would maybe deserve a chance to prove it in a playoff...

...and then there was talk about how a team LIKE UTAH... COULD come from any of the 5 non-BCS conferences... (hypothetically, of course)...

...which lead to the discussion about getting recruits, and scholarship limitations...

...and examples were put forth of teams that have been "argued" to have been contenders over the years and got "screwed" (Utah and Auburn 2004.. Boise State, 2006... Hawaii, 2007, who we ALL AGREE was a pre-tender not a con-tender)...

...and then you'll put all of this together, and also remember an undefeated Tulane during the BCS era that got shut out, and realize that there have been other years where other conferences were "shut out" of BCS bowl games, and could have shown that they deserved a chance... or been "exposed" as another fraud...

...and then, maybe, just maybe, you'll realize that we're 13 weeks into this season, and instead of taking excerpts out of context, you would put it all together as an ongoing "discussion" in a message board thread, and realize that most of us are saying THE SAME G.D. THING...

...and while we may disagree on how to properly ensure that no one is overlooked, and might have to endure some first round blow outs YEARS FROM NOW, for the sake of having a playoff... just to prove that they SUCK, or giving them a chance to prove if they're worthy...

...then maybe you'll remember that the vast majority on this board all FAVOR a playoff system for college football...

...and you can stop the bashing of anyone else's ideas, and join a coillition to promote the playoff agenda, and calmly discuss the details of "how" or "who"... WITHOUT any unnecessary personal attacks.

OK?

Im all for expanding it to lesser conferences but I dont think MWC, MAC, C-USA would deserve an automatic spot in a playoff.

THIS YEAR... maybe. Well, ok, we disagree on Utah, but that's it. But are you really saying that the other conferences could NEVER produce a legit contender? I don't think you're that close minded.

Yeah that cover is nice but its not true anymore, hell one of those guys arent even there anymore and like I said there are no great backs from USC for 20+ years.

YES... EMANUEL MOODY IS GONE! That's how the whole subject came up!

For fuck's sake, we were talking about players transferring. We KNOW that Moody is at Florida now.

I'll make a deal... I'll try to be more concise, if you agree to reading and understanding the context in which subjects are brought up, and why people make some of the statements that they do.

Deal?

[Snoogans]

no great backs from USC in 20 years? Before he got hurt, Reggie Bush was startin to put it together and Lindell White has been pretty fuckin solid even while being 45 pounds overweight

[SP1!]

Ok, maybe when you think back, and put it ALL together, it will make sense.

There will not be a playoff for YEARS.

WHEN there is, there will be arguments about who should get it.

Then, you'll remember all the conversations about how other conferences have produced contenders from time to time... and then maybe some "diatribe" about how some smaller programs are on their way UP...

Then maybe you'll remember about how we were talking about how there HAVE been years where an isolated team (like Utah 2004 or this year) in a given year, MIGHT be legit, and would maybe deserve a chance to prove it in a playoff...

...and then there was talk about how a team LIKE UTAH... COULD come from any of the 5 non-BCS conferences... (hypothetically, of course)...

...which lead to the discussion about getting recruits, and scholarship limitations...

...and examples were put forth of teams that have been "argued" to have been contenders over the years and got "screwed" (Utah and Auburn 2004.. Boise State, 2006... Hawaii, 2007, who we ALL AGREE was a pre-tender not a con-tender)...

...and then you'll put all of this together, and also remember an undefeated Tulane during the BCS era that got shut out, and realize that there have been other years where other conferences were "shut out" of BCS bowl games, and could have shown that they deserved a chance... or been "exposed" as another fraud...

...and then, maybe, just maybe, you'll realize that we're 13 weeks into this season, and instead of taking excerpts out of context, you would put it all together as an ongoing "discussion" in a message board thread, and realize that most of us are saying THE SAME G.D. THING...

...and while we may disagree on how to properly ensure that no one is overlooked, and might have to endure some first round blow outs YEARS FROM NOW, for the sake of having a playoff... just to prove that they SUCK, or giving them a chance to prove if they're worthy...

...then maybe you'll remember that the vast majority on this board all FAVOR a playoff system for college football...

...and you can stop the bashing of anyone else's ideas, and join a coillition to promote the playoff agenda, and calmly discuss the details of "how" or "who"... WITHOUT any unnecessary personal attacks.

OK?

THIS YEAR... maybe. Well, ok, we disagree on Utah, but that's it. But are you really saying that the other conferences could NEVER produce a legit contender? I don't think you're that close minded.
Actually I think we will be closer to some sort of a playoff sooner that later, it didnt take long after the bitching started that they got the BCS, its not perfect but it is better than it used to be. I am 100% in favor of a playoff but I will never be for someone like a pretender like Utah or boise state getting in, I know you like to talk about how boise beat the mighty OU but you have to remember that OU team was not that good that year and was down at #11 then only got in because the big 12 had an automatic bid. I fully believe that if that boise team would have played any of the other teams they would have lost, the big 12 had a down year and that is when they may win. I have stated there are some good teams but what most people ignore is the fact that some of these teams can make it through unscathed because they dont face the talent level week in and week out that all the BCS schools face, well except USC. Most of their schedules are made up of teams that would get other schools laughed out of the games because they played a weak schedule, at least give me that point.

YES... EMANUEL MOODY IS GONE! That's how the whole subject came up!

For fuck's sake, we were talking about players transferring. We KNOW that Moody is at Florida now.

I'll make a deal... I'll try to be more concise, if you agree to reading and understanding the context in which subjects are brought up, and why people make some of the statements that they do.

Deal?
I was talking about USC being known as running back u, that may have been true 30 years ago but they havent produced any great backs in 25+ years.

A playoff will never work because the big conferences dont want to give up spots to lesser teams so the only way they get in is with a play in game, that is the only way I see a MWC, MAC, C-USA, etc. getting into the final games. But I really dont think they have the talent level to get that far.

[SP1!]

no great backs from USC in 20 years? Before he got hurt, Reggie Bush was startin to put it together and Lindell White has been pretty fuckin solid even while being 45 pounds overweight
Maybe putting it together but hes not great yet, at least not on the level of other USC backs and Lendale really hasnt done much.

Also I did mention those two, they are the first two since 81 that USC has had.

[cougarjake13]

Maybe putting it together but hes not great yet, at least not on the level of other USC backs and Lendale really hasnt done much.

Also I did mention those two, they are the first two since 81 that USC has had.



hasnt done much ??

lendale has 11 td's tied for 2nd in the nfl

and he had over 1100 yds with 7 tds last year


that may not be great but its certainly more than hasnt done much

[Snoogans]

imagine what he would do in shape

[SP1!]

Yeah I see what he has done but it was Tennessee so it was easy to miss, even when they were undefeated people didnt talk about them much.

Lendale is a guy I just never liked and this week made it clear why, hes a whiney bitch just like keyshawn used to be, shut the fuck up and play there is a reason you arent the coach.

My point is still valid though, outside of those two, USC didnt do much in the previous 20 years.

[JimBeam]

like I said there are no great backs from USC for 20+ years.

I hate when we bing the NFL things into these discussions but the points about White and Bush ( yes when he' healthy ) are true.

But in college there's no argument that Bush was great. White was good too.

Stanley Havili is good and will be great by the time his career at USC ends.

Joe McKnight could be a great college RB if he can stay healthy.

Gable has flashes of brilliance and may get hurt by the fact that they share the ball so often.

I doubt there are many, if any, schools that throw out that deep a level of RBs.

USC doesnt run the ball that much

USC is 18th in the NCAA in rushing w/ 208.8 yards per game and an average per carry of 5.38.

They are 34th in the country in passing averaging 242.2 YPG.

That looks like a consistent run/pass attack to me.

[JimBeam]

So I keep hearing more about how Texas " lost on the last play " as if that means anything.

Now Mack Brown is using it in his stumping.

Actually Texas lost on the last 6 plays.

They allowed Texas Tech to go 62 yards on 6 plays and lost the game.

They allowed the other team's best WR to not only beat double coverage but to break a tackle on the way to the winning score.

I'd like to ask Mack Brown if he's willing to concede his 2005 title to USC, you know seeing as how they won it on essentially the last play.

I guess games should be 58 minutes and 30 seconds as long as it suits Mack Brown.

Now everybody's giving credit to Texas' " big " win against A&M.

They beat an awful, 4-7 team, by 40 points not a 10-0 team by 40.

And I still don't get why people think the Heisman should go to McCoy.

If all 3 teams end at 11-1 what did McCoy do that the others didn't ?

I'd give it to Bradford for the same reason I'd give the tie breaker to Oklahoma.

They had the best non-conference wins against possible Big East champ Cincinnati and #14 TCU.

[El Mudo]

Maybe putting it together but hes not great yet, at least not on the level of other USC backs and Lendale really hasnt done much.

Also I did mention those two, they are the first two since 81 that USC has had.

NO ONE gets the recruits they did 20+ years ago...for one, you can't have as many people on your team as you did back then, and guys are more willing to go start for smaller D1 schools rather than sit on the bench for four years at a big one


And its not like they suffered in the 80s-90s...they won a couple Rose Bowls

n the 1980s, USC football did not realize a national championship, though it continued to experience relative success, with top-20 AP rankings and PAC-10 Conference Championships. Under head coaches Ted Tollner (1983–1986) and Larry Smith (1987–1992), each winning the Rose Bowl once, USC was recognized among the nation's top-ten teams three times. However, some alumni had grown accustomed to the programs' stature as a perennial national championship contender. In 1993, Robinson was named head coach a second time, leading the Trojans to a victory in the 1996 Rose Bowl over Northwestern.

They only really pooped for a while because Paul Hackett is a TERRIBLE football coach

In 1998, head coach Paul Hackett took over the team, but posted an even more disappointing 19–18 record in three seasons. By 2000, some observers surmised that USC football's days of national dominance were fading; the football team's record of 37–35 from 1996 to 2001 was their second-worst over any five-year span in history (only the mark of 29–29–2 from 1956–1961 was worse), and the period marked the first and only time USC had been out of the final top 20 teams for four straight years.

[Snoogans]

Pitt and WV suck. This game blows. Maybe you all are right, the Big East is just ass. Except Cincinatti and Rutgers, the best team ever just as soon as the current QB graduates

[JimBeam]

So I'm listening to one of the sports stations on Sirius the other day, I think it was the guy's filling in for Chris Russo while he's out, and they're talking w/ Tim Brown about the state of the ND program.

One of the guys says he heard a rumor, which he didn't put much credence into, that Weis was gonna be out and Urban Meyer would be take the job.

Tim Brown, like anybody w/ any common sense, asked why Meyer, who turned the job down before it was even offered to Weis, would leave UF after winning a title and being in a position to win another one this year. Not to mention currently ruling in one of the top 3 states for recruiting.

They also went through ND's schedule next year and if you thought this year was lame ( although I had pointed out in a previous post that it turned out to be a little more competive than it looked at the beginning of the season ) wait until you see next year's :

Sept. 5 NEVADA
Sept. 12 at Michigan
Sept. 19 MICHIGAN STATE
Sept. 26 at Purdue
Oct. 3 WASHINGTON
Oct. 10 Open Date
Oct. 17 USC
Oct. 24 BOSTON COLLEGE
Oct. 31 vs. Washington State (at San Antonio, Texas)
Nov. 7 NAVY
Nov. 14 at Pittsburgh
Nov. 21 CONNECTICUT
Nov. 28 at Stanford

Wow we're getting Washington & Washington St ( in San Antonio TX ?????? ) next year ?

That's an awesome 2-22 combined record that should add to the strength of schedule.

If Weis can't go 10-2 ( I'm counting possible losses w/ USC & BC ) then he will be fired.

On the negative side I could see them as being 3-2 through the 1st 5 games which means he gets fired at that point.

[Snoogans]

pat white is insane

[SP1!]

I hate when we bing the NFL things into these discussions but the points about White and Bush ( yes when he' healthy ) are true.

But in college there's no argument that Bush was great. White was good too.

Stanley Havili is good and will be great by the time his career at USC ends.

Joe McKnight could be a great college RB if he can stay healthy.

Gable has flashes of brilliance and may get hurt by the fact that they share the ball so often..
Yes I understand what you are saying but, for one thing I said the previous 20 years, they did shit in that time, a couple rose bowls is not really anything to brag about, and second yes USC running backs were gauged by the NFL, thats what started the moniker Running Back U because they sent so many RBs to the NFL.

Pitt and WV suck. This game blows. Maybe you all are right, the Big East is just ass. Except Cincinatti and Rutgers, the best team ever just as soon as the current QB graduates
They are way down this year and until they get consistency they will keep looking like this.

pat white is insane
Yeah Im glad hes gone after this year, I wonder what position hes going to play in the NFL, hes to talented not to make it, hes like vick but with a brain.

And looking back on it, maybe ole miss was actually a decent team, glad to see houston nutt doing well and arkansas sucking a dick this year.

[JimBeam]

I'd love to watch Petrino run up a 3 year record of 10-26 and be out on his ass unemployed.

He and Weis can compete for the same gigs in a few years.

[Snoogans]

that WV Pitt game ending up being pretty fuckin good in terms of entertainment. But still both need to greatly tighten up the execution. Not a fun game to watch if you are a coach

[SP1!]

I'd love to watch Petrino run up a 3 year record of 10-26 and be out on his ass unemployed.

He and Weis can compete for the same gigs in a few years.

Yeah petrino is a douche, Im glad he is stinking up the place.

Also it looks like Tennessee has found a coach. (http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/nov/28/source-kiffin-become-vols-head-football-coach/)

[Snoogans]

i think Lane Kiffin will do well there. He seemed to be a pretty decent coach until he just starting doin shit just to fuck with Al Davis, like attempting 75 yard FGs

[SP1!]

i think Lane Kiffin will do well there. He seemed to be a pretty decent coach until he just starting doin shit just to fuck with Al Davis, like attempting 75 yard FGs

Yeah he does have a little college experience, I just get sick of the SEC getting more good coaches, why cant we get some duds like rich rod down here?!

And in his defense al Davis seems insane now.

[SP1!]

Wow it only took Miles 11 games to realize Jarett Lee sucked ass.........

[cougarjake13]

Wow it only took Miles 11 games to realize Jarett Lee sucked ass.........

better late than never

[SP1!]

better late than never

If I was an LSU fan I would be pissed, especially since hes directly responsible for 3 of their loses and killing comebacks in all their games, god he sucked.

[JimBeam]

And now is when we'll see the real coach Les Miles.

[JimBeam]

In the LSU/Arkansas game it's 2nd and 19 when Arkansas rips off a 40 yard reception that appears to end in LSU recovering a fumble.

So the ref comes back and says there was holding against Arkansas on the play but that LSU declines that and takes over the ball.

But they decide to review the supposed fumble and it's clear as a bell that the receiver was down before the ball came loose.

One of the announcers, possibly Todd Blackledge I think, keeps saying " If I'm Les Miles I decline the penalty and make it 3rd and 19. "

He says this twice w/out being corrected by the other announcer.

If LSU declines the penalty then the result of the play stands and it's 1st down Arkansas in LSU territory.

[SP1!]

In the LSU/Arkansas game it's 2nd and 19 when Arkansas rips off a 40 yard reception that appears to end in LSU recovering a fumble.

So the ref comes back and says there was holding against Arkansas on the play but that LSU declines that and takes over the ball.

But they decide to review the supposed fumble and it's clear as a bell that the receiver was down before the ball came loose.

One of the announcers, possibly Todd Blackledge I think, keeps saying " If I'm Les Miles I decline the penalty and make it 3rd and 19. "

He says this twice w/out being corrected by the other announcer.

If LSU declines the penalty then the result of the play stands and it's 1st down Arkansas in LSU territory.

Yeah I heard that, most announcers are full of shit or just plain stupid.

[JimBeam]

I'm mean I know they don't wanna make each other look bad but there's a way for the other guy to bail him out w/out it being embarassing.

More so them him more than once getting a ruling wrong.

It's easy for us to be armchair announcers but all we're asking for is a little diligence in what you're doing.

[JimBeam]

Desmond Howard was on GameDay this morning and mentioned the 2 things that I've blabbed about all week w/ regards to the Oklahoma/Texas/Texas Tech tie :

1) Oklahoma should get credit for their non-conference wins

2) Texas fans can hold up all the signs they went showing a 45-35 score because Texas Tech can hold up a sign and then Oklahoma can hold up their sign. In the end Oklahoma's win was the most impressive.

Herbstreit, who I normally agree with, was bringing up the " last play " aspect of Texas's loss but he added some more details.

He said that the Texas safety " almost " intercepted a pass before that TD.

" ALMOST " is exactly right.

Just like they " ALMOST " tackled Crabtree before he scored the winning TD.

The thing is they didn't and almost doesn't matter.

If that's the case Oklahoma can say that they " ALMOST " intercepted a pass in the endzone before the score that gave Texas their lead for good.

The only difference is that Oklahoma actually did intercept that pass and the awful officiating that was aplenty in that game negated it.

[epo]

Is this the year that Notre Dame fires Charlie Weis?

[cougarjake13]

Is this the year that Notre Dame fires Charlie Weis?

i say no

[JimBeam]

Nah.

It'll be next year if he doesn't get it done.

[epo]

i say no

Nah.

It'll be next year if he doesn't get it done.

I can't wait to rightfully call them racists then.

[Snoogans]

after bufallo beats Ball State in the MAC Championship, and bama loses, we should demand the Boise St vs Utah National Championship game that we deserve

[epo]

after bufallo beats Ball State in the MAC Championship, and bama loses, we should demand the Boise St vs Utah National Championship game that we deserve

I'll never understand how that strange mind of yours works.

[cougarjake13]

after bufallo beats Ball State in the MAC Championship, and bama loses, we should demand the Boise St vs Utah National Championship game that we deserve



we'll start a boycott until it happens

[JimBeam]

Epo here's a comment I posted earlier this week in response to how " racist " ND is.

Let me know when your favorite team HIRES a black coach and we can talk about how long he should be given before he's fired.

This is one of the most ridiculously ignorant statements I've ever read in this thread.

Firstly if ND was racist wouldn't they have NOT hired Willingham to begin with ?

Instead they were one of maybe 15 teams ( that's probably very generous ) in the last 20 years to actually hire a black coach.

Willingham was fired because he SUCKED. He couldn't coach and he couldn't recruit.

Ritalin have you even followed his post-ND career ?

I'm done w/ Weis at this point as well but to think that the results with any more years of Willingham would've been anything better is insane.

He's 5-21 in the PAC10 over the last 3 years. That includes this year's 0-8 and a loss to a Wash St team that had 1 win itself ( against a 4-7 Portland St team from the FCS ).

Firing Willingham wasn't racist, it was one of the smartest decisions in the history of college football.

[epo]

Epo here's a comment I posted earlier this week in response to how " racist " ND is.

Let me know when your favorite team HIRES a black coach and we can talk about how long he should be given before he's fired.

Mind you this, I hate Notre Dame and think its funny when they fail.

Let me say though...with Tyrone Willingham they set a standard of expectations with their coaches. Neither Tyrone or Charlie fulfilled/are fulfilling those expectations. Tyrone was fired.

Until Charlie is fired, questions will linger why.

[Snoogans]

Mind you this, I hate Notre Dame and think its funny when they fail.

Let me say though...with Tyrone Willingham they set a standard of expectations with their coaches. Neither Tyrone or Charlie fulfilled/are fulfilling those expectations. Tyrone was fired.

Until Charlie is fired, questions will linger why.

no they wont. Its cause he is white. End of questions

[led37zep]

7pm at Brother Jimmy's on the Upper West side for the NYC Oregon Alumni association viewing party for the Civil War.

Oh wait...I'm the only one on this site. Oh well.

GO DUCKS!

Just in case you kids want to read up on what the good folks in Oregon are saying about the game...
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/civilwar/

[Snoogans]

BEAVERS FOR LIFE

























i dont really care

[led37zep]

BEAVERS FOR LIFE


Oh snoogans:glurps:

[Snoogans]

i just had to watch Cincinatti win my team's conference. I feel bad for NO ONE

[JimBeam]

Not sure if Snoogans was being funny or not but white coaches get fired every year and there's no issue with it but if a black coach gets fired it's racism.

The whole " ND always gave coaches 5 years " argument is weak.

College football is far more competetive these days and a team may not have 5 years to waste if they aren't making any progress.

This could be a reason why schools are reluctant to hire black coaches.

If you hire a black coach and he dosn't work out is there going to be backlash because he wasn't given the 10 years you gave a white coach back in the 80's.

Kudos to Miss St for sticking w/ Sly Croom especially after last season but if you look at this season he's back to losing again so how much longer will he be given.

[JimBeam]

I'm not sure who I want to win that Oregon/Oregon St game.

A loss by Or St would send USC to the Rose Bowl w/ a chance to beat Penn St but a win by Or St could send them to a BCS game against a team they wouldn't normally have a chance of playing.

[razorboy]

Is this the year that Notre Dame fires Charlie Weis?

Do they want Jon Gruden? They can have Jon Gruden. Please, for the love of all things holy take Jon Gruden. You'll be recruiting 45 year old with eligibility left in no time.

[epo]

Kudos to Miss St for sticking w/ Sly Croom especially after last season but if you look at this season he's back to losing again so how much longer will he be given.

Sly Croom resigned this morning.

[Snoogans]

Spurrier is killin it again today

[JimBeam]

Sly Croom resigned this morning.

Actually just heard them talking about this on CBS.

What could the expectations be at Miss St ?

I mean I know they are in the SEC and should have access to a lot of good players but they really haven't ever been as competetive as Florida, LSU, Auburn and Alabama.

I'm guessing he was forced out ( they said the AD that hired him was already gone and the university has a new president that has no ties to Croom ) but maybe he thought it best that he leave.

[razorboy]

Croom will get another job. He is a good coach who got dropped into a shit situation.

[JimBeam]

They were saying that the Miss St leadership wanted him to get away from the Jackie Sherrill recruiting of JUCO players and to get more involved w/ the HS recruits.

It was tough for him because he could get minimal success using the JUCO players and felt he'd take too far of a step backward w/ HS players.

[JimBeam]

Wow UGA shit the bed today.

They had a 16 point lead at one point in this game.

Another loss to a ranked team where they gave up 40+ points.

Richt might wanna work on his defense in the off season.

[JimBeam]

Some interesting stories I missed during the year :

http://www.thewizofodds.com/the_wiz_of_odds/2008/11/the-2008-turkey-awards.html

[razorboy]

Wow UGA shit the bed today.

They had a 16 point lead at one point in this game.

Another loss to a ranked team where they gave up 40+ points.

Richt might wanna work on his defense in the off season.

GT is going to be a hell of a team. Paul Johnson is a damn good coach. Too bad they're going to lose Michael Johnson after this season.

[JimBeam]

Kansas just scored a TD against Missouri w/ 27 seconds left to take a 40-37 lead.

Update : Well now Missouri just got the ball down to the Kansas 33 w/ 10 seonds left.

[SP1!]

Croom will get another job. He is a good coach who got dropped into a shit situation.
Croom had every shot to turn it around and couldnt even keep kids from his state at home for their school, that is why he was fired. Im also getting sick of these announcers saying college football needs to look at itself since it only has 2 black head coaches. Get over it, if someone is good enough they get the shot.

Wow UGA shit the bed today.

They had a 16 point lead at one point in this game.

Another loss to a ranked team where they gave up 40+ points.

Richt might wanna work on his defense in the off season.
I am so sick of that shit, Willie Martinez needs to be fired, he is the sole reason for all of our loses this year.

For the life of me I cant figure out why he changed defenses from the first half when he had them stopped, then came out with a cover 3 to start and stayed with it even though they were running it all over them. I wont watch another game until he is fired, hes a waste as a coach, we had too much talent to let them fuck up this bad.

[OGC]

Who is this hole that is announcing the Maryland/Boston College game ?

When I first turned it on, I thought it was Sheepy.

[SP1!]

Mind you this, I hate Notre Dame and think its funny when they fail.

Let me say though...with Tyrone Willingham they set a standard of expectations with their coaches. Neither Tyrone or Charlie fulfilled/are fulfilling those expectations. Tyrone was fired.

Until Charlie is fired, questions will linger why.
The only reason why is because of his contract, it may be as much as $10 million to get rid of him this year and a lot less next year. He may stay one more year just for monetary reasons then get canned next year especially if ND sucks again.

Who is this hole that is announcing the Maryland/Boston College game ?

When I first turned it on, I thought it was Sheepy.
It may be pam oliver, she has called a few games and is horrible at it, there is no need for a woman to be commenting on a football game cause no matter how much they say they love the game they do not understand it.

[KnoxHarrington]

Holy shit, the SEC Championship game next week is going to be a hell of a game.

[OGC]

Who is this hole that is announcing the Maryland/Boston College game ?

When I first turned it on, I thought it was Sheepy.



It may be pam oliver, she has called a few games and is horrible at it, there is no need for a woman to be commenting on a football game cause no matter how much they say they love the game they do not understand it.

It is Pam Ward. She is the less manly one on the right.

http://cfb101.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/ward_bentley-300x207.jpg

[SP1!]

It is Pam Ward. She is the less manly one on the right.

http://cfb101.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/ward_bentley-300x207.jpg

LOL yeah I have heard her too, shes worse than pam oliver although she does look like she could suit up and play linebacker for a few teams

[drjoek]

Half time @ USC and ND has 9 yards total offense. Too funny 9 yards! And the guy who got the 9 yards goes out hurt.

[KnoxHarrington]

I've already heard one douche -- on ESPN, which is apparently already whoring themselves to the BCS in preparation for taking over coverage of it -- say the SEC Championship game is a "semi-final", and, thus, we kind of have a playoff already. Uh, no it's not. I can see if Florida wins and Oklahoma loses the Big 12 Championship (or loses tonight against OK St. but wins the Big 12 championship), the "BCS Championship" (sic) could be a Alabama-Florida rematch. Or USC could slide into that game despite the fact that they do not have a conference championship game, meaning that there is no second semi-final game.

So it's not a fucking semi-final. It's not like the NFL last year decided "Hey, the Super Bowl should be New England vs. San Diego again", or that they decided after the Giants won the NFC Championship game, "You know, let's just go ahead and put the Steelers back in the Super Bowl."

Another bogus argument from a douche with a mouth full of BCS cock at Bristol.

[Epschtein]

yeah ND just go their first 1st down on the last play of the third quarter lol.

BC vs VA Tech for the ACC again.

and it looks like OK ST is the only team putting up a fight in any of the big ones today. this has been a really good game.

[KnoxHarrington]

Half time @ USC and ND has 9 yards total offense. Too funny 9 yards! And the guy who got the 9 yards goes out hurt.

It's good to see them rallying for their coach.

At this moment, a ND booster has the AD on the line, saying "How much is the buyout? We have it covered."

[Epschtein]

that took some balls by bradford but it was just luck that he didnt fumble it thru the end zone. i cant blame him tho, coach might not be too thrilled hehe.

[KnoxHarrington]

Good to see Notre Dame is at least losing with class and dignity.

[PhilDeez]

I've already heard one douche -- on ESPN, which is apparently already whoring themselves to the BCS in preparation for taking over coverage of it -- say the SEC Championship game is a "semi-final", and, thus, we kind of have a playoff already. Uh, no it's not. I can see if Florida wins and Oklahoma loses the Big 12 Championship (or loses tonight against OK St. but wins the Big 12 championship), the "BCS Championship" (sic) could be a Alabama-Florida rematch. Or USC could slide into that game despite the fact that they do not have a conference championship game, meaning that there is no second semi-final game.

So it's not a fucking semi-final. It's not like the NFL last year decided "Hey, the Super Bowl should be New England vs. San Diego again", or that they decided after the Giants won the NFC Championship game, "You know, let's just go ahead and put the Steelers back in the Super Bowl."

Another bogus argument from a douche with a mouth full of BCS cock at Bristol.

I see your point, but this year the SEC Championship is a "semi final" into the BCS championship game. The winner regardless of what anyone else does is in.
ESPN doesn't even carry the SEC championship.

[epo]

Notre Dame had 91 yards of total offense. I couldn't laugh any harder.

[led37zep]

Who's a happy boy?

I'm a happy boy!!!!!!

The duck is sad for the beavers..sad sad beavers
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b354/led37zep/ducks.jpg

[KnoxHarrington]

LOL yeah I have heard her too, shes worse than pam oliver although she does look like she could suit up and play linebacker for a few teams

The sports blog Awful Announcing does a weekly run-down of how awful she is. Here's this week's installment:

http://awfulannouncing.blogspot.com/2008/11/pam-ward-chronicles-week-14.html

[JimBeam]

If I read it correctly ND had 20 yards passing.

I saw that 5 receivers had at leat 1 reception but none of them had more than 10 yards total receiving.

What a potent offense that genius Weis runs out there huh ?

Did they at least give another QB a shot at some playing time ?

[Dash77]

Croom will get another job. He is a good coach who got dropped into a shit situation.

I hope he does, that program was in so much trouble when he got there, and he cleaned it up, but to bad he didn't win alot of games.

[JimBeam]

Apparently AP voters were more impressed w/ Texas' beating of an awful A&M team at home than a 61 point output by Oklahoma against a top 12 team on the road.

Looks like 6 voters from last week changed their votes as Oklahoma was ahead 1486 to 1482 las week and now its Texas up 1488 to 1480.

RANK TEAM RECORD PTS PVS
1. Alabama (62) 12-0 1620 1
2. Florida (3) 11-1 1516 2
3. Texas 11-1 1488 4
4. Oklahoma 11-1 1480 3
5. USC 10-1 1355 5
6. Penn State 11-1 1257 6
7. Utah 12-0 1216 8
8. Texas Tech 11-1 1197 7
9. Boise State 12-0 1103 9
10. Ohio State 10-2 1069 10
11. TCU 10-2 885 14
12. Ball State 12-0 834 15
13. Cincinnati 10-2 824 16
14. Oklahoma State 9-3 798 11
15. Georgia Tech 8-3 708 18
16. Oregon 9-3 630 19
17. Georgia 9-3 495 13
18. Boston College 9-3 482 20
19. Missouri 9-3 479 12
20. Brigham Young 10-2 385 20
21. Michigan State 9-3 312 22
22. Mississippi 8-4 280 25
23. Pittsburgh 8-3 241 NR
24. Northwestern 9-3 190 24
25. Oregon State 8-4 122 17

[JimBeam]

Guess that shift in the AP poll didn't impact the BCS standings much :

Oklahoma jumps Texas in BCS standings to claim Big 12 South

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3735383

Again I think it's crappy that the BCS decided a conference's division race but I do think the result is how it should be.

Not sure why conference and/or division points for/against couldnt have been used before the BCS standings.

[SP1!]

Oklahoma is going to get smoked against either bama or florida, they looked bad last night against an average Ok state team, I think texas is the only team that has a shot at beating one of the sec teams.

[Dash77]

The BCS is so bogues, I still can't understand how the head to head means nothing..

[JimBeam]

The head to head means nothing because it's a 3 way tie.

I also like how they keep calling that Oklahoma/Texas game at a " neutal site ".

Yeah Dallas TX is really neutral.

New York would be a neautral site.

California would've been a neutral site.

But Dallas ???

Please.

[SP1!]

So how long till Texas really starts bitching about the BCS?

That is kind of crappy, they get screwed just cause they lost later in the season, kind of sucks because Oklahoma is going to make the entire big 12 look like a joke. Alabama or Florida is going to kill them in the NC game.

[cougarjake13]

So how long till Texas really starts bitching about the BCS?

That is kind of crappy, they get screwed just cause they lost later in the season, kind of sucks because Oklahoma is going to make the entire big 12 look like a joke. Alabama or Florida is going to kill them in the NC game.



we should all be happy that ohio state is no where near the championship game

[JimBeam]

I can't wait to hear the arguments when/if Alabama loses a close game to Florida.

Alabama's gonna say " What the f ??? We lose one game, same as Texas, and yet they leap us into a title game despite not having even won their conference ? "

In that instance I'm sure Texas will claim " Hey a late loss should count more than what you did all season. "

At this point USC is out of it barring losses by Alabama and Oklahoma next Saturday.

[SP1!]

we should all be happy that ohio state is no where near the championship game

Yeah but oklahoma is most likely in and thats just as bad, they gave up a shitload to an average Ok State team, it kind of pisses me off that bama and florida is going to get another easy game for the NC.

[SP1!]

I can't wait to hear the arguments when/if Alabama loses a close game to Florida.

Alabama's gonna say " What the f ??? We lose one game, same as Texas, and yet they leap us into a title game despite not having even won their conference ? "

In that instance I'm sure Texas will claim " Hey a late loss should count more than what you did all season. "

At this point USC is out of it barring losses by Alabama and Oklahoma next Saturday.

If bama loses florida will get in, texas has no shot and neither does USC.

[JimBeam]

If bama loses florida will get in, texas has no shot and neither does USC.

But Florida would have to play somebody in the BCS title game.

If UF and Missouri win it'd be between Texas and USC for the other slot in that game w/ Texas more than likely getting the nod.

I don't think Oklahoma would be as big of a pushover as Oh St was the last 2 years.

Bradford's a good QB, better than those scabs they had in the past, and if his line protects him he usually finds the open receivers.

I think a UF/Bama v OK game would be fun to watch.

[cougarjake13]

you know what was driving me crazy during that ok = ok state game ??


the sooners would line up and look ready to snap then the whole offense stops and turns toward the sooner bench and then gets set again and runs the play

[JimBeam]

Yeah I saw that in the Texas Tech game.

I also saw that they blew a fumble call that should've gone in OK's favor.

Big 12 refs suck.

[cougarjake13]

Yeah I saw that in the Texas Tech game.

I also saw that they blew a fumble call that should've gone in OK's favor.

ALL refs suck.

FIXED IT FOR YA

[hammersavage]

Did anyone see the Texas Tech/Texas game?

They had the game winning interception bounce off a linebacker's hands with :30 seconds to play and lost on an unbelievable play from Harrell to Crabtree in an extremely hostile Lubbock.

Texas beat Oklahoma by 2 scores. Held them to 35 pts which not too many people could do. They got screwed by idiot voters.

[ozzie]

Did anyone see the Texas Tech/Texas game?

They had the game winning interception bounce off a linebacker's hands with :30 seconds to play and lost on an unbelievable play from Harrell to Crabtree in an extremely hostile Lubbock.

Texas beat Oklahoma by 2 scores. Held them to 35 pts which not too many people could do. They got screwed by idiot voters.

Harris Poll has OU #4, Texas #3

Coaches have OU #2, Texas #3

Three of the Six computers have OU #1, which gave them an overall #1 in the Comp Avg. (Bama got two first place votes, and Texas was #1 in one)

[JimBeam]

Did anyone see the Texas Tech/Texas game?

They had the game winning interception bounce off a linebacker's hands with :30 seconds to play and lost on an unbelievable play from Harrell to Crabtree in an extremely hostile Lubbock.

Texas beat Oklahoma by 2 scores. Held them to 35 pts which not too many people could do. They got screwed by idiot voters.

So I'll ask you the question that I would love to ask Mack Brown.

Games should only be 58 minutes long going forward ?

Or will ending it once Texas takes the lead in the 4th quarter be enough ?

I love how people point to the fact that texas was UNABLE to make a play to end the game so that should count for something.

Texas had a lead with less than 2 minutes left and allowed the other team to march down the field and win the game.

They proverbially snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

I believe it was a late interception that allowed Texas to escape, at HOME, w/ a 4 point win against an Ok St team that Oklahoma beat by 20 on the road.

[Coach_Mac]

The head to head means nothing because it's a 3 way tie.

I also like how they keep calling that Oklahoma/Texas game at a " neutal site ".

Yeah Dallas TX is really neutral.

New York would be a neautral site.

California would've been a neutral site.

But Dallas ???

Please.


Dallas is almost exactly halfway between Austin and Norman and if you've ever seen the game it is split 50/50 with red and orange.

[epo]

I'm always amazed by people who underestimate Bob Stoops. I wouldn't be shocked if he wins another national championship.

[Coach_Mac]

Did anyone see the Texas Tech/Texas game?

They had the game winning interception bounce off a linebacker's hands with :30 seconds to play and lost on an unbelievable play from Harrell to Crabtree in an extremely hostile Lubbock.

Texas beat Oklahoma by 2 scores. Held them to 35 pts which not too many people could do. They got screwed by idiot voters.

People keep wanting to talk about a last second victory for Tech in that game but Tech led for 58:32 of that game and Texas led for 1:28 so let's not act like Tech pulled off a shocking comeback. Yes, we scored on the last play but we dominated most of the game.

[ozzie]

I'm always amazed by people who underestimate Bob Stoops. I wouldn't be shocked if he wins another national championship.

They're 0 for 4 in their last 4 BCS games, including two title shots.

That's where the underestimating stems from.

[epo]

They're 0 for 4 in their last 4 BCS games, including two title shots.

That's where the underestimating stems from.

Which makes him 3-4 in BCS games. And mind you...a couple of those teams had no business in BCS games...rather his coaching put them in that position.

[SP1!]

Which makes him 3-4 in BCS games. And mind you...a couple of those teams had no business in BCS games...rather his coaching put them in that position.

Actually they only have 2 wins and 4 loses in BCS games. With one of those loses an embarrassment to boise st making them the only non bcs team to win a bcs game.

If they make it there they will most likely get smoked by either team, florida will run past them and bama will roll over them.

I fucking wish that texas would get in there, they have the only shot at beating one of those teams and I certainly dont want to hear it all year from either one of those sets of fans about how great they are.

[ozzie]

Which makes him 3-4 in BCS games. And mind you...a couple of those teams had no business in BCS games...rather his coaching put them in that position.

Actually, 2 - 4, but who's counting.

And I'm assuming those teams that supposedly had "no business in BCS games", were the teams that lost to Boise State, where they were favored by more than a touchdown, and to West Virginia under "interim" coach Bill Stewart, when the Sooners were favored by 8 points?

No doubt he's a good recruiter, and a good motivator, and did a hell of a job returning OU to prominance, but he HAS been out coached in several "big games".

[Tenbatsuzen]

To show my optimism going into this weekend, I actually thought that 1) WVU could beat Pitt and 2) Cincy would get beat by 'Cuse.

That would be a no on both counts.

This season was gutpunched by the goddamn Cincy game. AWFUL. They deserve the Taco Bowl or whatever the hell they are getting.

The good thing is, Stew got them to a bowl, but we'll see what happens next year if they don't have a good QB.

[ozzie]

With one of those loses an embarrassment to boise st making them the only non bcs team to win a bcs game.

Utah, 2004

[Tenbatsuzen]

Actually, 2 - 4, but who's counting.

And I'm assuming those teams that supposedly had "no business in BCS games", were the teams that lost to Boise State, where they were favored by more than a touchdown, and to West Virginia under "interim" coach Bill Stewart, when the Sooners were favored by 8 points?

No doubt he's a good recruiter, and a good motivator, and did a hell of a job returning OU to prominance, but he HAS been out coached in several "big games".

In fairness to Stoops, he got hit by 3 miracle plays by Boise State, and a completely pissed off WVU team.

[hammersavage]

In every other conference in the country, Texas would be playing for its conference title. The Big XII uses the BCS, a system used to decide the national championship game, for its conference title game.

OK is 1st in scoring offense, Texas is 6th. Texas is 21st in scoring defense, Oklahoma is 60th. That's a big difference.

Texas won by double digits on a neutral site.

OK will get DESTROYED by Florida in the title game where Texas would be a closer game. Texas can get a share of the Nat'l Champ. in that scenario from the coaches poll.

And the worst thing about the BCS, is that this terrible system that no one likes is creating a controversy for people to talk about and only help bring attention to the sport, be it good or bad. If the system worked, no one would care but they can point to the system as being functional. The BCS is in a win-win situation. Until President Elect shuts it down Jan. 21st.

[Tenbatsuzen]

something interesting I wanted to digest today...

people always talk about Big 10 this and SEC that and constantly deride the Big East.

Steve Slaton - on target for 1000 yards this season. 4.9 yards per carry.

Ray Rice - 400 yards this season, not bad for a rookie.

[ozzie]

In fairness to Stoops, he got hit by 3 miracle plays by Boise State, and a completely pissed off WVU team.

It wasn't "miracle plays" that lead to a 28 - 10 Boise State lead until late in the third quarter. OU came out flat in that game, and got hit in the throat. With Adrian Peterson, and a Big 12 caliber O-line, they should have rolled on the undersized Broncos, but Peterson ended up with 77 yards on 20 carries.

And emotion can only carry a team so far. Stoops had no answers for WV's offense for 4 quarters.

[hammersavage]

Good to see Big East players doing well. Still can't compare to SEC backs but fuck the Big 10 at that position.

[ozzie]

In every other conference in the country, Texas would be playing for its conference title. The Big XII uses the BCS, a system used to decide the national championship game, for its conference title game.

OK is 1st in scoring offense, Texas is 6th. Texas is 21st in scoring defense, Oklahoma is 60th. That's a big difference.

Texas won by double digits on a neutral site.

OK will get DESTROYED by Florida in the title game where Texas would be a closer game. Texas can get a share of the Nat'l Champ. in that scenario from the coaches poll.

And the worst thing about the BCS, is that this terrible system that no one likes is creating a controversy for people to talk about and only help bring attention to the sport, be it good or bad. If the system worked, no one would care but they can point to the system as being functional. The BCS is in a win-win situation. Until President Elect shuts it down Jan. 21st.

The SEC has a clause where they will use the rankings to break a three way tie, but if comes down to two teams within 5 places of each other, they will go to the head-to-head between those two teams. If the Big 12 did this, Texas would be playing this weekend.

Unfortunately both the Harris and Coaches poll will crown the "BCS Championship Game" winner as the National Champion. The only thing Texas could claim would be an AP title, like USC did in 2003.

Their best shot is for a Missouri upset this weekend.

As we've stated before, you don't "have" to win your conference... but looking at how they jumped #7 LSU over 2 other non-conference winners last year, it wouldn't suprise me if they snuck USC or Penn State into the title game over Texas if OU lost.

[SP1!]

Utah, 2004
No boise st 2006

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=254&year=2004

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=201&year=2006

But utah did get lucky to beat the other sacrificial big east team.

[ozzie]

No boise st 2006

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=254&year=2004

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=201&year=2006

But utah did get lucky to beat the other sacrificial big east team.

Yes, Utah (non-BCS team) beat Pitt in a BCS game.

With one of those loses an embarrassment to boise st making them the only non bcs team to win a bcs game.

[Freakshow]

Good to see Big East players doing well. Still can't compare to SEC backs but fuck the Big 10 at that position.

SEC backs like LaDanian Tomlinson, Adrian Peterson, Clinton Portis, Brian Westbrook, Brandon Jacobs, Michael Turner, Thomas Jones, Matt Forte, Chris Johnson, D'Angelo Williams, Frank Gore, Marion Barber, Ryan Grant... ?

Wait, none of those players went to SEC schools, did they?

[ozzie]

SEC backs like LaDanian Tomlinson, Adrian Peterson, Clinton Portis, Brian Westbrook, Brandon Jacobs, Michael Turner, Thomas Jones, Matt Forte, Chris Johnson, D'Angelo Williams, Frank Gore, Marion Barber, Ryan Grant... ?

Wait, none of those players went to SEC schools, did they?

One did.

[hammersavage]

SEC backs like LaDanian Tomlinson, Adrian Peterson, Clinton Portis, Brian Westbrook, Brandon Jacobs, Michael Turner, Thomas Jones, Matt Forte, Chris Johnson, D'Angelo Williams, Frank Gore, Marion Barber, Ryan Grant... ?

Wait, none of those players went to SEC schools, did they?

I was comparing those Big East backs to the SEC and the Big 10 that was brought up in Matty's post. I wouldn't compare them to other conferences. Read please before posting.

[Freakshow]

I was comparing those Big East backs to the SEC and the Big 10 that was brought up in Matty's post. I wouldn't compare them to other conferences. Read please before posting.

And I was pointing out that using pro success is a pointless way to compare backs. Look at the list of schools represented--Villanova, Memphis, Northern Illinois, Southern Illinois (yes Ozzie Jacobs is a Saluki--accept it), TCU, etc... You can't really say those programs are any better than SEC schools, yet they have produced better individual players.

hell Minnesota had Marion Barber III and Lawrence Maroney at the same time, and the were a middle of the road Big Ten team even with those supremely talented players.

[Freitag]

And I was pointing out that using pro success is a pointless way to compare backs. Look at the list of schools represented--Villanova, Memphis, Northern Illinois, Southern Illinois (yes Ozzie Jacobs is a Saluki--accept it), TCU, etc... You can't really say those programs are any better than SEC schools, yet they have produced better individual players.

hell Minnesota had Marion Barber III and Lawrence Maroney at the same time, and the were a middle of the road Big Ten team even with those supremely talented players.

My point was, people want to constantly bash the Big East as compared to more "traditional" schools and conferences. Their first point of attack is that the Big East would get destroyed outside of their conference. The Big East's bowl record derides that.

Then on FARK, people were bashing Pat White because "he doesn't play in a conference with real defense". Meanwhile, the two biggest offensive stars last year in the Big East are having SOLID rookie years, and Shaun O'Hara is considered to be the cornerstone of the Giants O-Line. And that's just three Big East names I pulled out of a hat. I could totally see the QB from South Florida being a solid pro QB, and I'm not sure where Pat White would fit in the League because people don't want a QB with Michael Vick's skill set although 1) White has a stronger arm than Vick and 2) White has a better head on his shoulders than Vick.

Pat White also plays baseball. If there's more guaranteed money for him in baseball, I wouldn't blame him for going to MLB.

[Freakshow]

well, i'm on record as saying bowl games don't prove much. and I think most of the big east's tie-ins are playing teams 2 or 3 spots below their conference finish.

But I wasn't really responding to you, I was posting HammarSavage who was questioning my reading ability...

I do want to sympathize, a little. Penn State used to be considered a weak team because they played all those traditional Big East Teams--look at 1973, they finished 12-0 and was 5th in both final polls. Except when they finally played the top ranked teams they actually won those games in '82 and '86. (why i'm saying Utah is getting screwed this year, reminds me of Penn State in the late 60's/early 70's). Of course, then I remember that Pitt and Syracuse consipired to keep Penn State out of the Big East so those sympathetic feelings don't last long...

[SP1!]

And I was pointing out that using pro success is a pointless way to compare backs. Look at the list of schools represented--Villanova, Memphis, Northern Illinois, Southern Illinois (yes Ozzie Jacobs is a Saluki--accept it), TCU, etc... You can't really say those programs are any better than SEC schools, yet they have produced better individual players.

hell Minnesota had Marion Barber III and Lawrence Maroney at the same time, and the were a middle of the road Big Ten team even with those supremely talented players.

Well you can get even further and say that most really great players were not stars at major schools, its why most Heisman winners end up busts in the NFL, the last one to really stand out was sanders. Others have done ok but none really stand out, maybe eddie george but hes not on a level of greatness

But yeah Jacobs was at auburn, he didnt like his playing time so transferred for his senior season, I think if he may have stayed he might have been drafted higher and made more money on his initial contract, its a selling point for bigger schools. Especially given the short NFL careers and the fact most small school players get drafted lower and get slotted with less money in that initial 3 year contract.

[SP1!]

My point was, people want to constantly bash the Big East as compared to more "traditional" schools and conferences. Their first point of attack is that the Big East would get destroyed outside of their conference. The Big East's bowl record derides that.

Then on FARK, people were bashing Pat White because "he doesn't play in a conference with real defense". Meanwhile, the two biggest offensive stars last year in the Big East are having SOLID rookie years, and Shaun O'Hara is considered to be the cornerstone of the Giants O-Line. And that's just three Big East names I pulled out of a hat. I could totally see the QB from South Florida being a solid pro QB, and I'm not sure where Pat White would fit in the League because people don't want a QB with Michael Vick's skill set although 1) White has a stronger arm than Vick and 2) White has a better head on his shoulders than Vick.

Pat White also plays baseball. If there's more guaranteed money for him in baseball, I wouldn't blame him for going to MLB.

The only thing I have against the big east is that most bottom teams are really bad and there is not a constant power in that conference, I thought WVU was going to be it but they didnt look very good this year.

Also white is a great talent but his arm is not stronger than vicks and hes less accurate, I really dont see him being a QB in the NFL but I would still draft his ass to do something, hes just so damn good on the field. But if he gets a decent baseball offer I wouldnt blame him for going that route either.

[Freakshow]

But yeah Jacobs was at auburn, he didnt like his playing time so transferred for his senior season, I think if he may have stayed he might have been drafted higher and made more money on his initial contract, its a selling point for bigger schools. Especially given the short NFL careers and the fact most small school players get drafted lower and get slotted with less money in that initial 3 year contract.

He transferred because the two other backs were deemed to be 'better.' Yet he leads both of them in terms of NFL rushing yards this season--the only way to judge how good a running back is, don't you know?

[JimBeam]

Dallas is almost exactly halfway between Austin and Norman and if you've ever seen the game it is split 50/50 with red and orange.

Yes but it is in the state of Texas which you think would give them a slight advantage reagrdless of how well Oklahoma fans travel.

People keep wanting to talk about a last second victory for Tech in that game but Tech led for 58:32 of that game and Texas led for 1:28 so let's not act like Tech pulled off a shocking comeback. Yes, we scored on the last play but we dominated most of the game.

Great point. It's not like the game was tied and Texas Tech won on a fumble or on an 80 yard Hail Mary.

As I stated in a previous post they allowed Texas Tech to march down the field and allowed their best WR to beat double coverage and score the winning TD.

They want sympathy points for that ?

If they make it there they will most likely get smoked by either team, florida will run past them and bama will roll over them.

I think UF might have a better advantage w/ players but I'm not sure Alabama would roll over them as you say.

It'd be a matchup of a good defense ( Alabama ) against a good offense ( Oklahoma ) but I'm not sure Alabama could win a shootout.

In every other conference in the country, Texas would be playing for its conference title. The Big XII uses the BCS, a system used to decide the national championship game, for its conference title game.

The SEC uses the BCS standings as well. Thye just have a clause that resolves the issue a little more cleanly ( Ozzie posted the details ).

I think either way is ridiculous.

The NFL doesn't use anything of the sort.

It exhausts game versus game data in roder to break the tie as it should.

[SP1!]

He transferred because the two other backs were deemed to be 'better.' Yet he leads both of them in terms of NFL rushing yards this season--the only way to judge how good a running back is, don't you know?

I wouldnt really say that, cadillac is probably the best of the three, but he is injured and my never play again, ronnie brown was a monster in college so it was hard to bench him, he was getting over shadowed so I don blame him for transferring. Maybe his lack of reps at auburn made it where hes not injury prone now since he didnt take the abuse those two did in college? Jacobs is doing well but I think thats more credit to that offensive line and Eli coming around as well, the giants are clicking as a team, that makes all of them look good.

I really dont know if Eli or Jacobs is really that good but they sure are playing fine right now.

[Freakshow]

cadillac played yesterday. Scored a TD.


:lol:

[SP1!]

cadillac played yesterday. Scored a TD.


:lol:

I just fucking saw that! It got me thinking about him so I looked it up, the last I heard was his patellar tendon tear would end his career, he kept saying hes coming back, I guess he was right.

[JimBeam]

Brad Edwards was on Mike & Mike this morning explaining the BCS and said that while it's possible that an upset by Missouri could send Texas to the BCS title game that the AP voters could move USC up based on an assumption that USC won their conference and Texas did not.

He said that could set the table for a possible split championship if USC beats Penn St in the Rose Bowl and Texas beats the SEC winner in the BCS title game.

M&M also brought up a good point about a possible Missouri upset.

Wouldn't Texas Tech have an argument that they, and not Texas, should get to go to the BCS game because they won the head to head game that Texas seems to think deiced everything ?

Incidentally can a coach vote for their own team or are they forbidden from doing that ?

I know they can't do it in college baseball but I'm not sure if they can do it in football.

Also weren't this weeks coach's vote supposed to be made public ?

Anybody seen them ?

[Freakshow]

He said that could set the table for a possible split championship if USC beats Penn St in the Rose Bowl and Texas beats the SEC winner in the BCS title game.

?

Or if the opposite happens in the rose bowl :smoke:

I think the coaches votes are revealed after the bowls, the 'final' final poll. And yes, coaches can vote for their own team #1.

[ozzie]

Brad Edwards was on Mike & Mike this morning explaining the BCS and said that while it's possible that an upset by Missouri could send Texas to the BCS title game that the AP voters could move USC up based on an assumption that USC won their conference and Texas did not.

He said that could set the table for a possible split championship if USC beats Penn St in the Rose Bowl and Texas beats the SEC winner in the BCS title game.

Man, Brad Edwards is a smart guy.

Unfortunately both the Harris and Coaches poll will crown the "BCS Championship Game" winner as the National Champion. The only thing Texas could claim would be an AP title, like USC did in 2003.

Their best shot is for a Missouri upset this weekend.

As we've stated before, you don't "have" to win your conference... but looking at how they jumped #7 LSU over 2 other non-conference winners last year, it wouldn't suprise me if they snuck USC or Penn State into the title game over Texas if OU lost.

[cougarjake13]

every year i root for chaos


sometimes it happens


but nothing happens as a result

[JimBeam]

I still don't understand how voters are giving #1 votes to anybody other than Alabama.

Why would Florida get 3 1st place votes after they lost to an Ole Miss team that an undefeated Alabama team beat ?

[ozzie]

I know it's a 30 point longshot, but if USC loses to UCLA, we've got a three way tie atop the Pac 10.

I don't know what their tie-breaker system is, but the top 3 would have all lost to each other, and one other game. Looking at who the "one other game" was against, I would guess that would favor the Ducks, having lost to Cal, whereas USC would have lost to UCLA, and Ore St lost to Stanford.

Needless to say I'll be rooting for UCLA and Missouri this weekend.

OU is a 17 pt fave, but Missou having just played last week at Arrowhead, and being familiar with that crappy turf, and with temp's expected around freezing... maybe there's hope.

[JimBeam]

... but Missou having just played last week at Arrowhead ...

Yeah and lost to an at the time 6-5 Kansas team.

[ozzie]

Yeah and lost to an at the time 6-5 Kansas team.

Yeah, I know it's a longshot, but that turf was shit. Having just played on it last weekend might help them gameplan better for it. There were areas just outside the new sod that was total crap. Both teams rely heavily on the passing game, and knowing the field conditions might be an advantage when planning routes and coverage schemes.

[SP1!]

Im beyond caring anymore, I have realized that until our defensive coordinator is gone Georgia wont win shit, the rumblings have already started that Richt is in trouble if he doesnt do something about martinez.

I dont care that much about the SEC championship game, although I hate bama a little less than florida and I dont think either big 12 team stands much of a shot at either one of them though, Texas probably could have given them both a good game but OU is gonna make the big 12 look bad.

Im still shocked that Tennessee didnt at least talk to leech before hiring kiffin, Im kinda hoping auburn does end up firing tuberville so that richt can hire him as their D-coordinator. He was pretty good at building defenses up but Im dreaming because richt is too loyal to willie, I have no idea why.

This season sucks more than most because going into this season we were expected to be in the title hunt and we werent even competitive against some teams, dumb mistakes, stupid penalties, and not being able to tackle anyone killed the chances. It comes down to coaching and he has to go, hell I wont even be an SEC homer anymore, its pointless since our defense sucks so bad.

[El Mudo]

It only took Lane Kiffin 12 hours to violate an NCAA rule... (http://jperson.thestateonline.com/?p=146)




South Carolina’s Steve Spurrier questioned whether new Tennessee coach Lane Kiffin broke an NCAA rule when he called a recruit a day before he was introduced as the Volunteers’ new coach.

According to a story published on VolQuest.com, part of the Rivals’ network, Kiffin and former Gamecocks recruiting coordinator David Reaves called Tampa running back Jarvis Giles on Sunday and left him voice messages.

The NCAA requires coaches to pass a certification test before they can contact recruits.

“You’re supposed to have passed the NCAA test and be on board, I think. But maybe he was just calling him as an interested observer,” Spurrier said today, laughing. “I don’t know. But technically to be able to recruit you’re supposed to pass the NCAA test.

“I know when I was hired, after the press conference I took the test to qualify you to be a recruiter. I hadn’t taken it in three or four years. At that time I could start making calls. I don’t know if he was permitted to make that call or not. You’ll have to ask somebody else.”


Didn't anyone tell Spurrier to stop snitchin'?

[Freakshow]

Im beyond caring anymore, I have realized that until our defensive coordinator is gone Georgia wont win shit, the rumblings have already started that Richt is in trouble if he doesnt do something about martinez.

I dont care that much about the SEC championship game, although I hate bama a little less than florida and I dont think either big 12 team stands much of a shot at either one of them though, Texas probably could have given them both a good game but OU is gonna make the big 12 look bad.

Im still shocked that Tennessee didnt at least talk to leech before hiring kiffin, Im kinda hoping auburn does end up firing tuberville so that richt can hire him as their D-coordinator. He was pretty good at building defenses up but Im dreaming because richt is too loyal to willie, I have no idea why.

This season sucks more than most because going into this season we were expected to be in the title hunt and we werent even competitive against some teams, dumb mistakes, stupid penalties, and not being able to tackle anyone killed the chances. It comes down to coaching and he has to go, hell I wont even be an SEC homer anymore, its pointless since our defense sucks so bad.

you're fooling yourself if you think Tuberville isn't going to get another head coaching job somewhere. He might even get another job still in the SEC, if he does get let go.

[JimBeam]

... Texas probably could have given them both a good game but OU is gonna make the big 12 look bad.

I still don't get why you think this.

Oklahoma scored 60+ points in 4 straight games and 2 of those were against Top 12 teams.

UF has faired well against ranked ( at the time they played them ) teams as well scoting at least 45 points in those games.

UF's defense isn't the Alabama one of 1992 so I'm not thinking they'd totally shutdown OU's offense so it could be a shootout.

I still don't think that Alabama could win a shootout w/ OU so they'd need their defense to be big and rely on taking and keeping an early lead.

I don't see a blowout in either matchup and that's taking into account OU's recent BCS lapses.

[ozzie]

It only took Lane Kiffin 12 hours to violate an NCAA rule... (http://jperson.thestateonline.com/?p=146)


Didn't anyone tell Spurrier to stop snitchin'?

Welcome to the SEC, Lane.

Phat Phil was the biggest snitch in the league.

Spurrier and the other coaches always have their eye on what Tennessee is up to.

[ozzie]

you're fooling yourself if you think Tuberville isn't going to get another head coaching job somewhere. He might even get another job still in the SEC, if he does get let go.

I'm probably in the minority of AU fans, but I hope he stays.

He's a great administrator, runs a program that we're proud of, and he's a good recruiter.

He's made GREAT hires for coordinators, and isn't shy from hiring guys with bigger aspirations like Petrino, Chizik and Muschamp. In fact, he's stated repeatedly that he wants coordinators who want to be head coaches. He gives them the ability to run their side of the ball without a lot of interference. (Tony Franklin excluded)

His record against ranked opponents speaks volumes about how he prepares teams for big games, and he's overachived at times with lesser talent.

I've had my issues with him, and still do, but overall, I think he deserves a mulligan for this year.

[JimBeam]

Phat Phil was the biggest snitch in the league.

Wasn't it Fulmer/Tennessee that jammed up Alabama w/ that Albert Means stuff back in the late 90's ?

It lead to some Alabama coaches being fired, I think a booster went to jail and Alabama was hit w/ some sanctions.

[ozzie]

Wasn't it Fulmer/Tennessee that jammed up Alabama w/ that Albert Means stuff back in the late 90's ?

It lead to some Alabama coaches being fired, I think a booster went to jail and Alabama was hit w/ some sanctions.

Yep. And the fact that there was evidence that Tennessee was one of the schools "bidding" for his services, made their squealling even more repulsive.

The way the kid's coach was opening shopping him around, they were bound to get caught anyway (and the winning bidder got what they deserved), but Fulmer and Tennessee tried to come off like they were innocent in all of this, and blew the whistle... when there was evidence that they were very much aware and interested until he was "bought" by Bama.

$200,000 cash for a defensive tackle.

They'll forever be known on the rival message boards as the Alabama Criminal Tide.

PaRole Tide!

[JimBeam]

I bought the book a few years ago that came about due to the story but have yet to read it.

I think the title was something like " Bragging Rights : A Year In The SEC ".

Some day I'll get around to it.

[JAH1013]

Ozzie's exactly right about fat-ass Phil rolling on Alabama. There were several schools bidding for Means and unfortunately UA won. I don't know why they wouldn't think that they would get turned in by another school.

Bama isn't getting their due respect. Most of the Gator fans here in Florida are looking right past this weekend. They are arguing over who they should play for BCS Championship and are already making hotel reservations in Miami.

I can't wait to see how this game goes down in Atlanta. I hope Bama stomps their ass.

[JimBeam]

Interesting article by Brad Edwards :

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=roadtobcs/0807

Of particular note :

Whether you side with Oklahoma or Texas in this debate, it's hard not to be disturbed by what happened in the polls on Nov. 30. Certainly, voters have every right to change their minds from week to week, but in this case, there seemed to be a much larger agenda at work.

In any normal week, there would be no rational explanation for Oklahoma (after winning 61-41 at No. 12 Oklahoma State) and Florida (after winning 45-15 at No. 20 Florida State) to both lose points in the polls and get jumped by a team that had a similar victory margin in a home game against an opponent with a losing record.

[Freitag]

Hey, look, Steve Slaton with 130 yards and two TDs last night.

[cougarjake13]

Hey, look, Steve Slaton with 130 yards and two TDs last night.

yeh on that one run he feel down and no one touched him and for a split second he was down there


and then its like he realized oh fuck this aint college i can keep going

[JimBeam]

Things are winding down here at work so I decided to look up how the NFL takes care of 3 way ties within the divisions :

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

I'm not sure what they specifically mean by #5 and #6 or even by #7 and #8 but if it got down to #9 w/ regards to the Big 12 South then Oklahoma was the right choice.

In common games ( not including the games amongst the 3 ) against Baylor, Oklahoma St, Texas A&M and Kansas here were the results ( Texas had the advantage of playing 3 of these at home w/ Texas Tech playing 2/2 and Oklahoma playing 3 on the road ) :

Oklahoma +104
Texas +96
Texas Tech +103

If you include the games each played against the other 2 Oklahoma has a greater lead :

Oklahoma +138
Texas +100
Texas Tech +65

When you count all Big 12 games Oklahoma has it's biggest advantage :

Oklahoma +195
Texas +149
Texas Tech +101

I think if you use these numbers, and take out the " passion " of the head to head meetings, then Oklahoma was clearly a more dominant team within it's division and the conference as a whole.

[Al Davis]

It only took Lane Kiffin 12 hours to violate an NCAA rule... (http://jperson.thestateonline.com/?p=146)







Didn't anyone tell Spurrier to stop snitchin'?

I would say I fucking told you so, but I'd rather tell all of you to kiss my fucking ass. I told you this shit. You saw my press conference. All you fucks were saying "Davis has lost it", but what the fuck did I tell you. This Kiffin cocksucker is no fucking good.

Now maybe you'll listen more to me, and not just think that I'm apeshit crazy when I tell you other shit I know. Like how the Commies are sending signals by the radio to turn kids into homos. When I was growing up, there weren't any fags in my neighborhood. If we thought a kid might be kind of swishy, we'd beat the shit out of him to straighten his ass out. Now I'm thinking a good 75% of guys out there are homos. You thought I was crazy when I told you that Kiffin was a scumbag fucker. And I was right. So I'm fucking telling you now: I am right about Commie Faggot Rays. It's not too late to do something. Who's with me?

I'll tell you who's with me: anyone who's not a fag.

[SP1!]

Interesting article by Brad Edwards :

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=roadtobcs/0807

Of particular note :

Funny UGA got dropped down on quite a few polls last year just because they didnt go to the SEC championship, so I dont know why hes acting like this is something new.

[JimBeam]

I heard on Rivlas Radio this morning that Lane Kiffin's got some sick buyout when/if Tennessee ever fires hime.

Supposedly he'd get $7.5 million if he got fired in year 2, $6 million if he got fired in year 3 or 4 and $5 million if he got fired in year 5 or 6.

Why would Tennessee agree to a deal like that w/ a guy that's got zero college head caoching experience ?

That's almost a ridiculous as the contract ND gave Weis.

[SP1!]

I heard on Rivlas Radio this morning that Lane Kiffin's got some sick buyout when/if Tennessee ever fires hime.

Supposedly he'd get $7.5 million if he got fired in year 2, $6 million if he got fired in year 3 or 4 and $5 million if he got fired in year 5 or 6.

Why would Tennessee agree to a deal like that w/ a guy that's got zero college head caoching experience ?

That's almost a ridiculous as the contract ND gave Weis.

Cause they are desperate, if they dont win soon a lot of their boosters will pull their money out and that they cant have

[JimBeam]

Yeah but he was essentially the 1st guy they looked at.

Won't it be worse if he fails and they have to do this again in a few years.

[SP1!]

Yeah but he was essentially the 1st guy they looked at.

Won't it be worse if he fails and they have to do this again in a few years.

Well they think hes going to succeed because of his recruiting history, problem is, its not that hard to get a guy to come to USC with the beaches and sun that close all the time.

You cant use that line when getting kids to come to knoxville, the nearest beach is 10 hours away and the winters are cold and dismal so Im not sure how hes going to do up there. They may be in trouble if hes not winning after a couple years.

[ozzie]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2008/12/ipt/1228249859.jpg

Full article by Dan Wetzel HERE (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-playoff120208&prov=yhoo&type=lgns).

[SP1!]

Full article by Dan Wetzel HERE (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-playoff120208&prov=yhoo&type=lgns).

Again I dont agree that sun belt, c-usa, mac, mt west deserve automatic bids, I see what all of you are saying here but if that happens it will destroy most college conferences, there would be people leaving the SEC, ACC, big east, pac 10 and all the other major conferences to steal an automatic bid in one of the lower conferences. And if you dont think teams like UGA, bama, florida st, miami would roll through those conferences you are crazy, yes I realize troy almost beat lsu but then again, we saw what a crappy team LSU was this year.

Also rumors are looking like Tuberville is out at auburn, they called all their recruiters in off their visits last night, so I guess we will see the next few days.

[ozzie]

Again I dont agree that sun belt, c-usa, mac, mt west deserve automatic bids, I see what all of you are saying here but if that happens it will destroy most college conferences, there would be people leaving the SEC, ACC, big east, pac 10 and all the other major conferences to steal an automatic bid in one of the lower conferences. And if you dont think teams like UGA, bama, florida st, miami would roll through those conferences you are crazy, yes I realize troy almost beat lsu but then again, we saw what a crappy team LSU was this year.

Also rumors are looking like Tuberville is out at auburn, they called all their recruiters in off their visits last night, so I guess we will see the next few days.

Yeah, I'm wearing out the "refresh" button on their Rivals site. They've got a guy in the admin building giving updates on who is in what office, and getting quick interviews with Jay Jacobs when he can. No news yet. They do these meetings at the end of every year, so this could all be business as usual.

Rumors are all over the place, from them negotiating a buyout, to talks of who on his staff would be forced out if he stays. It's tiring.

Most of the assistants are out of their offices, on the road visiting recruits. Haven't heard anything about anyone being called back.

[Dash77]

Again I dont agree that sun belt, c-usa, mac, mt west deserve automatic bids, I see what all of you are saying here but if that happens it will destroy most college conferences, there would be people leaving the SEC, ACC, big east, pac 10 and all the other major conferences to steal an automatic bid in one of the lower conferences. And if you dont think teams like UGA, bama, florida st, miami would roll through those conferences you are crazy, yes I realize troy almost beat lsu but then again, we saw what a crappy team LSU was this year.

Also rumors are looking like Tuberville is out at auburn, they called all their recruiters in off their visits last night, so I guess we will see the next few days.

It's not an auto bid, those teams won there conference titles and think about the money and face time the small schools could get if they bet a major program, it would be great it's a small fix to get a true champion.

[SP1!]

Yeah, I'm wearing out the "refresh" button on their Rivals site. They've got a guy in the admin building giving updates on who is in what office, and getting quick interviews with Jay Jacobs when he can. No news yet. They do these meetings at the end of every year, so this could all be business as usual.

Rumors are all over the place, from them negotiating a buyout, to talks of who on his staff would be forced out if he stays. It's tiring.

Most of the assistants are out of their offices, on the road visiting recruits. Haven't heard anything about anyone being called back.

Yeah I realize its just rumors but this was coming from a guy really close to their program who doesnt want to see him go, but he has heard that all recruiters have been told to come back to the school and report to the offices from 3 unique sources. Thats usually bad news for a coach with multiple sources saying the same thing that do not know each other.

I really dont know who they are going after if hes let go? Mike Leech? A guy running the offense that helped get developed from the guy that was just fired midway through the year? That would be ironic.

Like I said its all rumors now but it looks like very solid rumors and it may be the biggestmistake auburn has ever made.

[ozzie]

Yeah I realize its just rumors but this was coming from a guy really close to their program who doesnt want to see him go, but he has heard that all recruiters have been told to come back to the school and report to the offices from 3 unique sources. Thats usually bad news for a coach with multiple sources saying the same thing that do not know each other.

I really dont know who they are going after if hes let go? Mike Leech? A guy running the offense that helped get developed from the guy that was just fired midway through the year? That would be ironic.

Like I said its all rumors now but it looks like very solid rumors and it may be the biggestmistake auburn has ever made.

Paul Rhodes just left the complex to go visit a recruit tonight, so I'm not sure where this is coming from.

Jacobs is in Tub's office now.

[SP1!]

It's not an auto bid, those teams won there conference titles and think about the money and face time the small schools could get if they bet a major program, it would be great it's a small fix to get a true champion.

Yes but my point is with auto conference bids you could have mid to low tier schools from major conferences leave to get that automatic bid from a conference they could dominate.

There are a couple of teams that could leave their conferences and maybe not dominate but would definitely win a lower conference.

[JimBeam]

I really dont know who they are going after if hes let go? Mike Leech?

He's interviewing w/ Washington today I think.

[JimBeam]

It's not an auto bid, those teams won there conference titles and think about the money and face time the small schools could get if they bet a major program, it would be great it's a small fix to get a true champion.

Yeah but what does the big program get if they beat the team from the smaller conference ?

Nothing because it's what's expected.

Giving Troy a chance to get destroyed by a BCS conference winner isn't going to give us any truer of a champion.

Winning the Sun Belt isn't in any way even close to coming in 2nd ( for an at large BCS team ) in a BCS conference.

[ozzie]

Yeah but what does the big program get if they beat the team from the smaller conference ?

Nothing because it's what's expected.

Giving Troy a chance to get destroyed by a BCS conference winner isn't going to give us any truer of a champion.

Winning the Sun Belt isn't in any way even close to coming in 2nd ( for an at large BCS team ) in a BCS conference.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2008/12/ipt/1228249859.jpg

Question for ya's...

...if we did have the playoff bracket above THIS YEAR, and all other minor bowl games were eliminated (in other words, there are no other games to flip to instead)...

...would you watch the first round games?


And assuming that the higher seeds get first round games at HOME, and one of your teams were in it... would you attend?


We know that this is about money now anyway, and they'll never change unless it's in their financial interest to do so. So I'm wondering if this playoff system would be as much of a money maker as *I* think it would be.

I know there are some potential blow outs in there, but I'd bet the ratings and attendance for even the "shit" first round games would far exceed most non-BCS prime time bowl games. And by the second and third rounds, I think they'd far exceed the BCS games we have now.

Just curious.

[JimBeam]

I know there are some potential blow outs in there, but I'd bet the ratings and attendance for even the "shit" first round games would far exceed most non-BCS prime time bowl games.

I don't know that I agree w/ that assumption.

Sure Alabama probably still sellout the stadium but I don't think you'd get any casual viewers.

I think there are, in this format, maybe 3 matchups in the 1st round that might draw some attention :

Boise St v Penn St
Oh St v Texas Tech
Boston College v Texas

Nobody other than the most die hard USC or Ball St fan would watch that game.

The ratings for TCU/Utah would be worse than this year's Wash/Wash St game.

So in this scenario if UF and USC advance they play each other while the Texas/BC winner would get either Utah or TCU ?

And by the second and third rounds, I think they'd far exceed the BCS games we have now.

You'd also possibly have 2 rematches in later rounds of the right side of that bracket.

You could have Oklahoma/Texas Tech and then the winner of that game could play Texas.

Maybe core fans of those teams would flock to those games but I doubt they'd get much of a major national audience.

[ozzie]

I don't know that I agree w/ that assumption.

Sure Alabama probably still sellout the stadium but I don't think you'd get any casual viewers.

I think there are, in this format, maybe 3 matchups in the 1st round that might draw some attention :

Boise St v Penn St
Oh St v Texas Tech
Boston College v Texas

Nobody other than the most die hard USC or Ball St fan would watch that game.

The ratings for TCU/Utah would be worse than this year's Wash/Wash St game.

So in this scenario if UF and USC advance they play each other while the Texas/BC winner would get either Utah or TCU ?



You'd also possibly have 2 rematches in later rounds of the right side of that bracket.

You could have Oklahoma/Texas Tech and then the winner of that game could play Texas.

Maybe core fans of those teams would flock to those games but I doubt they'd get much of a major national audience.

Yeah, I agree that they should seed the teams to ensure that teams from the same conference could not meet until/unless both met in a semi-final or title game.

But aside from that...

What I meant to ask is, as compared to the list of meaningless bowl games we have now... do you think the ratings and attendance would be higher, or lower?

Would you be more or less likely to watch one of the first round games, or your average weeknight minor bowl game?

And if your team was playing, would you be more likely to pay to go see them, as opposed to travelling to a bowl site?


Comparing the 8 first round games listed to the 22 non-new year's day bowl games. (Not the cumulative total, but the average)

And say the 4 second round games vs. the 5 new year's day games.

And the 2 third round vs. the 2 prime time BCS games.

I would expect the title game to be the same, or better. But that's just me.

[ozzie]

Upon further review... his bracket has some flaws that I don't agree with. (Bad enough to have ONE MWC team... I can't see TCU getting an At Large Bid)

Try this one...

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/37/l_e1fcd12d04e44c68b6876bc5566f0c91.jpg

Ammended Question:

Knowing that the winner of these games MOVES ON in a playoff format... not just looking at them as a one time event...

And as compared to the list of meaningless bowl games we have now... do you think the ratings and attendance (assuming the higher seed gets a home game in the first round) would be higher, or lower?

Would you be more or less likely to watch one of the first round games, or your average weeknight minor bowl game?

And if your team was playing, would you be more likely to pay to go see them (Home, or Away), as opposed to travelling to a "minor" bowl site?


Comparing the 8 first round games listed to the 22 non-new year's day bowl games. (Not the cumulative total, but the average)

And say the 4 second round games (neutral site) vs. the 5 new year's day games.

And the 2 third round (neutral site) vs. the 2 prime time BCS games.

And the 2 Title games.

[SP1!]

Tuberville fired (http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf)

Geez didnt think that would happen so soon, not sure this is good for auburn, seems kinda like a knee jerk reaction to a bad year, oh well.

Still hope UGA hires him for DC and gets rid of willie martinez, it would be sweet to have a real one since we havent had one since 2003.

[ozzie]

Tuberville Fired.

http://www.auburn.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=884039

[cougarjake13]

Tuberville fired (http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf)

Geez didnt think that would happen so soon, not sure this is good for auburn, seems kinda like a knee jerk reaction to a bad year, oh well.

Still hope UGA hires him for DC and gets rid of willie martinez, it would be sweet to have a real one since we havent had one since 2003.

he'd prob still get a HC gig somewhere

[ozzie]

he'd prob still get a HC gig somewhere

I'm sick about this.

I'm nervous about him going back across the border to Mississippi State, and taking recruits with him.

We saw this year was Houston Nutt was able to do with Ole Miss after Arkansas shit canned him.

[SP1!]

I'm sick about this.

I'm nervous about him going back across the border to Mississippi State, and taking recruits with him.

We saw this year was Houston Nutt was able to do with Ole Miss after Arkansas shit canned him.
Yeah thats what everyone is saying but hell Miss state forced out croom, they say it was a resignation but everyone inside said it was resign or be fired, he took the easy way so the school didnt look bad. Then again croom is from the old school, protect the school so it doesnt look bad, rumor was tuberville was offered the chance to resign but they ended up having to fire him.

[JAH1013]

ozzie, who would you like to see coaching auburn next year?

[ozzie]

ozzie, who would you like to see coaching auburn next year?

I honestly haven't had a lot of time to digest all of this, and may be naive, but really didn't think this would happen, so I haven't given it a whole lot of thought. I thought there might be a house cleaning of assistants, and of course a new OC, and this took me a little by surprise.

With that said... here's a list of potential candidates from Rivals:

AuburnSports.com has identified several prominent candidates for the Auburn job:

Texas defensive coordinator Will Muschamp
Florida State offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher
Texas Tech head coach Mike Leach
Georgia Tech head coach Paul Johnson
South Carolina head coach Steve Spurrier
Buffalo head coach Turner Gill
Cincinnati head coach Brian Kelly
Minnesota head coach Tim Brewster

Muschamp, who was recently named head-coach-in-waiting at Texas, served as Auburn's defensive coordinator from 2006-7 and was also a graduate assistant at AU in 1995-96. Fisher, who is the head-coach-in-waiting at FSU, was the quarterback coach at Auburn from 1993-98 under Terry Bowden.

I'm not sure who, if anyone on this list has expressed any "interest", or if this is someone's "wish list" of people they think AU could get.

Supposed "inside" sources of friends of mine, have been talking about Muschamp for weeks, even before this announcement. I'm not sure what it would take to get him back from Texas. Same for Fisher. There might be a buy-out with Florida State.

And I'm not sure that Johnson or Spurrier would consider Auburn a better job than what they have now.

The last three names have been mentioned a lot for almost every job opening. In fact, I'd be worried if I were Turner Gill, that he will be "interviewed" for a lot of the openings to meet the minority candidate criteria. The same way Croom was allowed an "interview" at Bama and other places before he finally landed a job at Miss State.

I don't know much about him other than his playing days, and I see that Buffalo is in the MAC championship game, and that he's young, enthusiastic, and has evidently brought a little talent to Buffalo, and has done some impressive things in only two years there. That may be enough of a resumè for him to receive an offer.

With Croom and Willingham out, there might be some pressure to hire a "minority" head coach. Personally, I could give a shit what color the man is, if he's the best for the job, I would hope that AU would consider him.

I think that Auburn is a good school, with a solid history, and lord knows, plenty of fan and booster support. And being a Head Coach in one of the most prominant and toughest college football conferences, won't hurt in their search either.

While we don't have a "terrible" history of head coaching turnover, these last two have ended badly, and some may start to question the stability of the position. There are still shady details missing from the Terry Bowden firing, and this one is coming off like a knee jerk reaction to one bad season and one terrible game against our biggest rival. Not to mention the "jetgate" fiasco after a disappointing 2003 season.

It's apparent that there are some board of trustees members who have flexed their financial muscle to gain influence over the direction of the program for the last 15 years, and many fans and boosters are being disenfranchised by thier actions.

I'm not as arrogant as some, who believe that AU could "steal" other prominent HC's away from other big schools (Spurrier, Johnson, Butch Davis, Rich Rodriguez, Ron Zook), nor would I want Auburn to be publicly humiliated by being turned down by one of them.

I do, however, feel that they deserve someone with Head Coaching experience, and a proven winner and recruiter.

I'm not a big fan of coordinators getting their first head coaching position at big schools, nor do I see a trend where this has worked out well for other schools. If Muschamp had stayed at AU this last year, I would have probably supported his promotion, but I'm not sure how I feel about him now.

Other "up and coming" head coaches from "smaller" schools being mentioned are:

Boise State head coach Chris Petersen
Tulsa Head Coach Todd Graham
Utah Head Coach Kyle Whittingham

Give me a day to digest this a little more, and I'll get back to you. Right now there are so many rumors, and mis-information out there, it's hard to sort fact from pipe dreams.

Hell, someone on the board mentioned Jack Del Rio's name... and, get this... Jeff Fisher... if that tells you where some of their heads are at right now.

Oh, and we've already lost at least 4 top recruits, and I've been drowning my sorrows a bit tonight, if that tells you where my head is at right now.

[hammersavage]

Upon further review... his bracket has some flaws that I don't agree with. (Bad enough to have ONE MWC team... I can't see TCU getting an At Large Bid)

Try this one...

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/37/l_e1fcd12d04e44c68b6876bc5566f0c91.jpg




I prefer this bracket of the two. But I think I prefer an 8 team playoff to the 16 team playoff. Either is better than the sham we have now.

And I, along with every man I know, would watch every single second of it, even the 1/16 game. I watch the 1/16 games during the basketball tourney, I certainly would here. One day it'll happen.....one day.....

[Freakshow]

I wonder if Tuberville winds up at TT, seems Mike Leach is going to be offered every open job in College football (and a few that aren't open...)

That or Mississippi State, of course. That one makes a whole lot of sense, too.

[toolshed]

With that said... here's a list of potential candidates from Rivals:



I'm not sure who, if anyone on this list has expressed any "interest", or if this is someone's "wish list" of people they think AU could get.

Supposed "inside" sources of friends of mine, have been talking about Muschamp for weeks, even before this announcement. I'm not sure what it would take to get him back from Texas. Same for Fisher. There might be a buy-out with Florida State.

Fisher pays out 3 mill if he leaves before the end of next year.

[JimBeam]

After hearing about Kiffin's buyout and now about the money Tubberville will get I have to wonder why the schools are entering into these contracts.

Why pay somebody when you're getting rid of them ?

Their contract should be honored and paid through the year but why pay them anything extra ?

They surely haven't earned it if you're firing them.

It's basically like saying " Hey there's a good possibility that I'm gonna suck or not get in done in a few years so you're gonna have to pay me to get rid of me. "

[Freakshow]

doesn't it work both ways, though? If the coach wanted to leave, their buyouts are equally high.

[JimBeam]

But they aren't paying anything out of their pockets.

It's not like if Mike Leach decides to leave Texas Tech that he has to pay them $2 million out of his pocket.

Plus if you're getting fired it means you suck at what you're doing so why should you be compensated for it ?

[Freakshow]

i'm pretty sure they do pay the buyout out of their pocket. Wasn't that the issue with RRod leaving WVU? He didn't want to pay his $4 million buyout?

[JimBeam]

It's possible.

I guess I always figured the buyout going that way was a repayment of some advanced money that would've only been earned over the life of the contract.

[SP1!]

I keep hearing paul johnson from tech has had some visitors from auburn, it wouldnt surprise me at all since hes a damn good coach and runs the kind of offense auburn alumni love.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Apparently Mike Teel is responding to Snoogans.

[SP1!]

Auburn AD thinks people are stupid (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3744885)

Jacobs said he and the president agreed to pay Tuberville the buyout price of $5.1 million -- even though it was not required since he wasn't fired -- because they felt it was "the right thing to do."

Bullshit, you dont give someone $5.1 million cause "its the right thing to do", you give it because someone was forced out, it seems tuberville didnt have the support of auburns biggest donors and he wanted him gone.

Either way to say he left on his own is kind of telling everyone they are stupid.

It also looks like auburn is losing recruits left and right, 8 top recruits have pulled out already, they need to do damage control and fast.

[pennington]

Apparently Mike Teel is responding to Snoogans.

I was at the game last night. Cold + drizzle + aluminum seating = an interesting evening.

I have to admit, I was one of those people who said Teel should be benched and let's get started on rebuilding for next year. But he looked great, you wouldn't believe it was the same person from the beginning of the season.

[JimBeam]

ESPN had conflicting reports on the ticker.

One said that Crabtree would be back for another year @ Texas Tech.

Another had his father quoted as saying that they hadn't made a decision and that they were leaning towards coming out.

Also looks like Sarkisian is getting the Washington job.

[ozzie]

ESPN had conflicting reports on the ticker.

One said that Crabtree would be back for another year @ Texas Tech.

Another had his father quoted as saying that they hadn't made a decision and that they were leaning towards coming out.

Also looks like Sarkisian is getting the Washington job.

The NFL is seriously considering implementing a Rookie Salary Cap, possibly as soon as before the 2010 draft, and this is circulating through the colleges. It may force some to make the jump this year and take what they can get.

[JimBeam]

Ball St doesn't wanna put their 12-0 record on the line against Boise St :

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=jn-ballst120408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Freitag]

Hey Mike Gundy?

I'M A MAN! I'M 40! I JUST GOT A NEW CONTRACT!

"A new contract? For what, 300K?"

THAT'S NOT TRUE!

[JimBeam]

Hey Mike Gundy?

I'M A MAN! I'M 40! I JUST GOT A NEW CONTRACT!

"A new contract? For what, 300K?"

THAT'S NOT TRUE!

Context ?

[cougarjake13]

The NFL is seriously considering implementing a Rookie Salary Cap, possibly as soon as before the 2010 draft, and this is circulating through the colleges. It may force some to make the jump this year and take what they can get.

they really need to


look at jamarcus russells contract


has he even lived up to half of that amount ?? i say no

[ozzie]

Context ?

$15.7 Mil over 7 years.


Update on AU coaching search... add Houston Nutt to the list of potential candidates.

AU stole Tubs from Ole Miss... they'd be pretty pissed if they did it again.

While I think Nutt is an excellent coach and recruiter, I'm not sure how I feel about stealing one from another SEC West school.

Could be a smoke-screen like the way Bama used Rich Rod when they already had Sabear locked up.

[JimBeam]

I doubt Nutt would do that.

He also might have something in his contract that says he can't go to another SEC West school.

I heard yesterday that Petrino has that in his contract.

[ozzie]

Update No. 9 - 3:03 p.m.

Ole Miss has reached an agreement with Nutt for a contract extension and raise. He is no longer a potential Auburn head coaching candidate. AuburnSports.com would like to officially congratulate agent Jimmy Sexton on a job well done.

Glad that rumor is over. Next?

[SP1!]

The NFL is seriously considering implementing a Rookie Salary Cap, possibly as soon as before the 2010 draft, and this is circulating through the colleges. It may force some to make the jump this year and take what they can get.
You will see who the idiots are, if you dont jump this year you have no brain, why wait and take millions less the next year?

Ball St doesn't wanna put their 12-0 record on the line against Boise St :

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=jn-ballst120408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
They didnt want to play in what would essentially be a home game for boise state.

[Freakshow]

They didnt want to play in what would essentially be a home game for boise state.

last year Illinois played USC in Los Angeles, Penn State played Texas A&M in San Antonio, Ohio State played LSU in New Orleans, and Michigan played Florida in Orlando. And no one seemed to notice...


(just something I saw on another board)

[JimBeam]

They didnt want to play in what would essentially be a home game for boise state.


Yeah but as the article points out now they have to play an NC St or ND team.

A win against ND gets them nothing and a loss shows that their 12-0 record was meaningless.



Texas fans taunting themselves :

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Apparently-the-Big-12-South-will-be-decided-by-a?urn=ncaaf,126902

[SP1!]

last year Illinois played USC in Los Angeles, Penn State played Texas A&M in San Antonio, Ohio State played LSU in New Orleans, and Michigan played Florida in Orlando. And no one seemed to notice...


(just something I saw on another board)

The difference is, the huge payouts most of those teams got, Illinois was a BCS game so of course they went, same with OSU/LSU, Mich/UF was a better payout as well, not sure which bowl A&M/PSU was (cotton maybe?), if it was the cotton then it was a better payout as well.

Besides who wouldnt want to leave the dreary cold north and go play somewhere warm? Boise isnt exactly known for its nightlife and fun times.

I would like to see it but I dont see it as a punk out move, the economy is bad and people dont want to travel as far, but dont act like its the first time we have been treated to horrible bowl games and not even the ones we wanted to see.

[Snoogans]

Apparently Mike Teel is responding to Snoogans.

thats a big part of the reason i hate him so much. Cause he can be so fuckin good and then sometimes he just decides he is gonna blow for awhile. if he was half as good the first 6 games of the season as he was the last 6 rutgers wins 10 games at least.

FUCK YOU MIKE TEEL. SO glad you are fuckin gone

[Snoogans]

LETS GO BUFFALO

Win this one, then Florida beats Alabama, and then we wait for the BCS to do the right thing and make the title game Boise St vs Utah

[SP1!]

LETS GO BUFFALO

Win this one, then Florida beats Alabama, and then we wait for the BCS to do the right thing and make the title game Boise St vs Utah

You know that would never happen, florida vs OU at the worst