2008 College Football Discussion Thread

[SP1!]

this is why, as I said earlier, I dont agree with midseason coaching moves. Generally the promoted assistant does the same job, if not worse cause the team gets a sense that its all going wrong and starts to mail it in. Auburn missed the FG that woulda tied it at 20, and then WV went right back down and scored like it was a 7 on 7 drill, Auburn seemed to just throw it in.

Oh I completely agree with firing coaches when they suck, it gives them a couple more months to get some coaching leads, tommy deserves to be fired now, the O coordinator is just going to be his out to try and get a couple more years until hes fired.

[RaysFever]

yea i did take it as a personal attack. whatever, i wasnt mad when I said the fat ass thing. Thats just how i do. Sorry if it upset you, I actually have no idea what you look like.

And the point is you were arguing busch is a nice campus when the discussion was about recruiting. Obviously I was comparing them to other D1 schools cause as much as they might not be able to compare, they dont have a choice. They get compared.

Let's just all agree to agree that Rutgers blows!

[RaysFever]

Auburn has now lead at halftime in every game this year, and they've had double-digit leads in all of their losses. The problem is not their gameplan going into the games, it seems their overthinking their halftime adjustments and going away from what is working in the first half.

They need more 3-2 games, like baseball.

[SP1!]

I am sick of big 12 fans, this early game proves there are no defenses in their league, when they play a real team they are going to be in deep shit.

[smo22]

UGA, UGA, UGA!

Up two touchdowns already!

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f75/basilsblog/ugavii-1-1.jpg

UGA VII as a puppy! Sick'em UGA! Yay!

[ozzie]

Helluva first half for Mike Teel against a decent Pitt D... 12 of 15 for 311 yards, 5 TD's 1 Int.

Somewhere right now, Snoogans is having conflicted emotions.

UGA capitalized on some turnovers. We'll see if they can hold this lead through the second half.

[SP1!]

UGA, UGA, UGA!

Up two touchdowns already!

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f75/basilsblog/ugavii-1-1.jpg

UGA VII as a puppy! Sick'em UGA! Yay!

Thats fucking cool, I wanted to get a bulldog next but the two boxers are a handful.

Looks like LSU is out of steam at this point, they were all geared up to not lose again but it looks like they are done now.

And where is the guy always bitching about teel? They got him protection today and he threw 5 TDs

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wow. Rutgers goes into Pitt's house and whomps them.

[Snoogans]

Helluva first half for Mike Teel against a decent Pitt D... 12 of 15 for 311 yards, 5 TD's 1 Int.

Somewhere right now, Snoogans is having conflicted emotions.

UGA capitalized on some turnovers. We'll see if they can hold this lead through the second half.

conflicted nothing. This is why I hated Mike Teel so much. Cause he can do this. Never like this, but he can be good. I just dont know why he was such ass for the first 6 games. He drives me nuts.

The whole time I've been sayin they had too much talent to be playin that bad. hopefully, this woke them the fuck up. They have a tough game coming against USF after Syracuse, but after what they did to pitt, they CAN run the table the rest of the way and sneak into a bowl game at 7-5. They are 3-5 now and are home against cuse, at USF, then home against army and looaville to close it. They have the ability to win those games. They had the ability to win every fuckin game and its nice to have them all finally show up. KEEP IT UP NOW FOOLS

[pennington]

conflicted nothing. This is why I hated Mike Teel so much. Cause he can do this. Never like this, but he can be good. I just dont know why he was such ass for the first 6 games. He drives me nuts.

I have to agree with this. Honestly, I wouldn't have stayed with him this long. Let's hope he continues this way.

I'll be at the Louisville game. I'll use my mind control techniques to keep Teel thinking right.

[Tenbatsuzen]

conflicted nothing. This is why I hated Mike Teel so much. Cause he can do this. Never like this, but he can be good. I just dont know why he was such ass for the first 6 games. He drives me nuts.

The whole time I've been sayin they had too much talent to be playin that bad. hopefully, this woke them the fuck up. They have a tough game coming against USF after Syracuse, but after what they did to pitt, they CAN run the table the rest of the way and sneak into a bowl game at 7-5. They are 3-5 now and are home against cuse, at USF, then home against army and looaville to close it. They have the ability to win those games. They had the ability to win every fuckin game and its nice to have them all finally show up. KEEP IT UP NOW FOOLS

If they get eligible, they're in a bowl. There is no way someone wouldn't invite the main team from the #1 media market.

How did Louisville get so good? I thought they were shit, I look up, they're 5-2.

The last three games WVU has will shape their season.

[Snoogans]

If they get eligible, they're in a bowl. There is no way someone wouldn't invite the main team from the #1 media market.

How did Louisville get so good? I thought they were shit, I look up, they're 5-2.

The last three games WVU has will shape their season.

Not neccesarily. Sometimes it doesnt matter:
On April 26, 2006, the NCAA announced that they were relaxing the rules for eligibility starting with the 2006 season, particularly in light of the new 12 game college football season. Now, teams with .500 records can qualify for bowl games if their conference has a contract with a bowl game. Also, teams with .500 records (i.e. 6-6) could earn bowl bids if all other FBS teams with winning records have been taken and postseason spots still remain vacant

and to show you that htat includes some big schools with big followings:

In 2005, eight bowl eligible teams did not receive bowl bids, namely WAC team Louisiana Tech (7-4), MAC teams Miami (OH) (7-4), Western Michigan (7-4), Northern Illinois (7-5), Bowling Green (6-5), Central Michigan (6-5), Sun Belt member Louisiana-Lafayette (6-5) and Mountain West team New Mexico (6-5).

In 2006, nine bowl eligible teams that all finished with 6-6 records did not receive bowl bids. They were Kansas from the Big 12, the Big East's Pittsburgh, Arizona and Washington State from the Pac-10, the MAC's Kent State, Conference USA's Southern Methodist, MWC team Wyoming, and Sun Belt teams Arkansas State and Louisiana-Lafayette.

In 2007, the most noted team that did not receive a bowl bid (and with a winning record) as Troy had an 8-4 record, but lost to Florida Atlantic on December 1 as the Owls went to the New Orleans Bowl as the Sun Belt champions, despite being 7-5 overall. The 6-6 teams that stayed home were Louisville from the Big East, Iowa and Northwestern of the Big Ten, Ohio from the MAC, the South Carolina Gamecocks of the SEC and another Sun Belt member, the Louisiana-Monroe WarHawks.


So at 6-6 they are not even close to a lock for a bowl. They need to run the table and get to 7-5 for it be definate

[Snoogans]

Ohio State is like the fuckin Jets. They can make a game vs any team BORING AS SHIT. FUCK YOU BIG TEN.

[Aneurysm]

Can people stop sucking Tebow's cock. I hate that guy and how ESPN loves him

[ozzie]

Not neccesarily. Sometimes it doesnt matter:
On April 26, 2006, the NCAA announced that they were relaxing the rules for eligibility starting with the 2006 season, particularly in light of the new 12 game college football season. Now, teams with .500 records can qualify for bowl games if their conference has a contract with a bowl game. Also, teams with .500 records (i.e. 6-6) could earn bowl bids if all other FBS teams with winning records have been taken and postseason spots still remain vacant

and to show you that htat includes some big schools with big followings:

In 2005, eight bowl eligible teams did not receive bowl bids, namely WAC team Louisiana Tech (7-4), MAC teams Miami (OH) (7-4), Western Michigan (7-4), Northern Illinois (7-5), Bowling Green (6-5), Central Michigan (6-5), Sun Belt member Louisiana-Lafayette (6-5) and Mountain West team New Mexico (6-5).

In 2006, nine bowl eligible teams that all finished with 6-6 records did not receive bowl bids. They were Kansas from the Big 12, the Big East's Pittsburgh, Arizona and Washington State from the Pac-10, the MAC's Kent State, Conference USA's Southern Methodist, MWC team Wyoming, and Sun Belt teams Arkansas State and Louisiana-Lafayette.

In 2007, the most noted team that did not receive a bowl bid (and with a winning record) as Troy had an 8-4 record, but lost to Florida Atlantic on December 1 as the Owls went to the New Orleans Bowl as the Sun Belt champions, despite being 7-5 overall. The 6-6 teams that stayed home were Louisville from the Big East, Iowa and Northwestern of the Big Ten, Ohio from the MAC, the South Carolina Gamecocks of the SEC and another Sun Belt member, the Louisiana-Monroe WarHawks.


So at 6-6 they are not even close to a lock for a bowl. They need to run the table and get to 7-5 for it be definate

This year, 68 teams out of 120 will go to a bowl. Going to a bowl means nothing anymore unless it's a BCS game.

And last year, Spurrier (South Carolina) turned down a bowl bid because of how his team played at the end of the year.

[ozzie]

Oh, and I'm pretty sure that you still have to have six wins against Div-1A opponents.

[Snoogans]

Oh, and I'm pretty sure that you still have to have six wins against Div-1A opponents.

you are allowed to count 1 game against FCS (1AA) assuming they have, for the previous 2 years, given the full 1AA amount of scholarships:

In order to be bowl eligible, a team must have at least six wins, including conference and out-of-conference games, and the team must not be on probation. The NCAA allows one victory per season over a Division I FCS (formerly I-AA) team to count toward an FBS team's bowl eligibility, so long as the FCS team has supplied financial aid for football averaging out to at least 56.7 full scholarships (90% of the limit of 63 allowed to FCS schools) over the preceding two years. This prevents teams from scheduling multiple games against FCS teams in an effort to pad their win total. The term 'bowl eligible' is usually only used when referring to those teams that are eligible to play in minor bowl games, and not to those team who are competing to play in one of the five BCS bowl games.

[Snoogans]

This year, 68 teams out of 120 will go to a bowl. Going to a bowl means nothing anymore unless it's a BCS game.

And last year, Spurrier (South Carolina) turned down a bowl bid because of how his team played at the end of the year.

and though to a point I agree with you, it still helps recruiting, esp coming up schools who are competing for kids with bigger, more traditioned programs. Also, when you start 1-5 and verbal commits are talking of backing out, running the table to finish 7-5 and getting any kind of bowl is still a pretty nice fuckin way to cap one off.

Thats what I love so much about college. Sure if you are an Auburn fan or Oregon or another massive program, the insight bowl might not matter. But if you are a fan of like Tulsa or something, that shit RULES. It makes it all meaningful. The whole season just amtters so much. Beating the rival matters so much, and too the majority of schools, all those bowls matter so much.

[Bossanova]

and though to a point I agree with you, it still helps recruiting, esp coming up schools who are competing for kids with bigger, more traditioned programs. Also, when you start 1-5 and verbal commits are talking of backing out, running the table to finish 7-5 and getting any kind of bowl is still a pretty nice fuckin way to cap one off.

Thats what I love so much about college. Sure if you are an Auburn fan or Oregon or another massive program, the insight bowl might not matter. But if you are a fan of like Tulsa or something, that shit RULES. It makes it all meaningful. The whole season just amtters so much. Beating the rival matters so much, and too the majority of schools, all those bowls matter so much.

Seriously. If it weren't for the lesser bowls, how would Notre Dame ever get a fucking bid.

[TheGameHHH]

Seriously. If it weren't for the lesser bowls, how would Notre Dame ever get a fucking bid.

doesnt really matter considering they havent won a bowl game since like the mid 90s.

[SP1!]

conflicted nothing. This is why I hated Mike Teel so much. Cause he can do this. Never like this, but he can be good. I just dont know why he was such ass for the first 6 games. He drives me nuts.

The whole time I've been sayin they had too much talent to be playin that bad. hopefully, this woke them the fuck up. They have a tough game coming against USF after Syracuse, but after what they did to pitt, they CAN run the table the rest of the way and sneak into a bowl game at 7-5. They are 3-5 now and are home against cuse, at USF, then home against army and looaville to close it. They have the ability to win those games. They had the ability to win every fuckin game and its nice to have them all finally show up. KEEP IT UP NOW FOOLS

The got him protection so he finally had more than 3 secs to read the coverage to complete a pass, hes decent but the O line sucks balls.

Can people stop sucking Tebow's cock. I hate that guy and how ESPN loves him

AMEN, I hope UGA kicks his ass again next week as well, fuck him.

[epo]

Seriously. If it weren't for the lesser bowls, how would Notre Dame ever get a fucking bid.

If Notre Dame would enter a real conference they would never get a fucking bid.

Biggest.
Joke.
Ever.

[Bossanova]

If Notre Dame would enter a real conference they would never get a fucking bid.

Biggest.
Joke.
Ever.

HAHA! If Notre Dame didn't have a deal with NBC they would never get a bowl bid.

[Snoogans]

HAHA! If Notre Dame didn't have a deal with NBC they would never get a bowl bid.

opposite. If ND didnt have that deal, they would be in a conference. Then they would get automatically scheduled games. That would be, by all accounts, the big east. I dont know if I can say that a big east schedule woulda been tougher this year then ND's independant schedule.

[Bossanova]

opposite. If ND didnt have that deal, they would be in a conference. Then they would get automatically scheduled games. That would be, by all accounts, the big east. I dont know if I can say that a big east schedule woulda been tougher this year then ND's independant schedule.

Def not. You are actualy right. I have said how if ND would just join a conference they would get guarenteed easy games. With the exception of the military games, they burry themselves every year

[epo]

opposite. If ND didnt have that deal, they would be in a conference. Then they would get automatically scheduled games. That would be, by all accounts, the big east. I dont know if I can say that a big east schedule woulda been tougher this year then ND's independant schedule.

Every couple of years the Big Ten used to offer Notre Dame to enter the conference and they always pussied out. After they saw the trouble that Penn State initially had when entering a conference those women wanted no part of it.

[Snoogans]

Every couple of years the Big Ten used to offer Notre Dame to enter the conference and they always pussied out. After they saw the trouble that Penn State initially had when entering a conference those women wanted no part of it.

that and the logic is big east just cause all the rest of ND sports teams are already big east. Its easier to just bring football into the conf rather then change conferences for every sport. Cause the big east will kick them out if the football team joins another conf

[SP1!]

If Notre Dame would enter a real conference they would never get a fucking bid.

Biggest.
Joke.
Ever.

You know Im not a notre dame supporter but they have one of the most storied histories around and they are playing off that history, the network made the deals and even the NCAA made a deal to keep them in the BCS. Besides the team's fans travel so that makes them a viable commodity which is what the bowls look for, not quality wins.

[epo]

You know Im not a notre dame supporter but they have one of the most storied histories around and they are playing off that history, the network made the deals and even the NCAA made a deal to keep them in the BCS. Besides the team's fans travel so that makes them a viable commodity which is what the bowls look for, not quality wins.

I understand them cashing in on the brand, but honestly they are a gigantic problem for the BCS. How many times have they had a BCS bowl and not really deserved it? Too many for my opinion.

Their attitude cheapens the "amateur" status of college football.

[SP1!]

I understand them cashing in on the brand, but honestly they are a gigantic problem for the BCS. How many times have they had a BCS bowl and not really deserved it? Too many for my opinion.

Their attitude cheapens the "amateur" status of college football.

There have been quite a few teams that didnt deserve to be in the BCS games, last year 2 off the top of my head didnt deserve to be there, the ND bullshit is the least of the NCAA problems with the BCS or all the bowl games. At least IMO

[Snoogans]

There have been quite a few teams that didnt deserve to be in the BCS games, last year 2 off the top of my head didnt deserve to be there, the ND bullshit is the least of the NCAA problems with the BCS or all the bowl games. At least IMO

yea hawaii was a fuckin joke

[epo]

yea hawaii was a fuckin joke

A joke? Sure but still better than Rutgers.

[SP1!]

yea hawaii was a fuckin joke

Yeah and Illinois didnt deserve to be in the rose bowl either

[Snoogans]

A joke? Sure but still better than Rutgers.

no they arent. Rutgers would MURDER hawaii right now

[SP1!]

no they arent. Rutgers would MURDER hawaii right now

Yeah right now they would but last year I think hawaii would have stomped rutgers.

[epo]

no they arent. Rutgers would MURDER hawaii right now

Not in 2006.

[spoon]

Shit, PSU didn't shit to bed like I thought they would. Perhaps Joe can get his third undefeated season (I think), win the championship and die at the trophy presentation as he protests for a playoff bc he's still mad about that Nebraska title.

[epo]

Shit, PSU didn't shit to bed like I thought they would. Perhaps Joe can get his third undefeated season (I think), win the championship and die at the trophy presentation as he protests for a playoff bc he's still mad about that Nebraska title.

I love the myth of "Joe Paterno still coaching". It's truly adorable for an old man with great seats.

[SP1!]

Shit, PSU didn't shit to bed like I thought they would. Perhaps Joe can get his third undefeated season (I think), win the championship and die at the trophy presentation as he protests for a playoff bc he's still mad about that Nebraska title.

Its painful to watch paterno now, seeing him in that state makes me feel really old.

And holy shit USC is tied with yet another unranked team, lets hope they lose and drop out of consideration completely.

[SP1!]

Fuck USC had to go ruin my sunday by winning, jesus they dont deserve to be ranked this high, fucking amazing.

[smo22]

Georgia vs. Florida, next Saturday, 2:30 CDT, CBS

Could decide who takes the SEC, or at least who goes to Atlanta. Unless Bama loses at LSU, AND one other SEC game (Auburn or Miss State), they're in.

With USC surviving, Penn State having a chance to go undefeated, and the Big 12 still having three teams with a shot at the title... the SEC champ is going to have to win out to have a chance at the title, and Florida or Georgia may not be able to jump their way in from where they are now. Bama would obviously have the best chance if they can stay undefeated, but they've still got a long way to go, and a game in Atlanta with either Georgia or Florida to get through.

If a one-loss SEC champ gets left out of the title game, it's really going to suck. :furious:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

those Lions looked quite Nittany last night

[Snoogans]

Not in 2006.

Never know, bro. They didnt play. Wisconsin sucks btw

[SP1!]

Georgia vs. Florida, next Saturday, 2:30 CDT, CBS

Could decide who takes the SEC, or at least who goes to Atlanta. Unless Bama loses at LSU, AND one other SEC game (Auburn or Miss State), they're in.

With USC surviving, Penn State having a chance to go undefeated, and the Big 12 still having three teams with a shot at the title... the SEC champ is going to have to win out to have a chance at the title, and Florida or Georgia may not be able to jump their way in from where they are now. Bama would obviously have the best chance if they can stay undefeated, but they've still got a long way to go, and a game in Atlanta with either Georgia or Florida to get through.

If a one-loss SEC champ gets left out of the title game, it's really going to suck. :furious:

The only way a one loss team gets shut out is if PSU doesnt lose, they are not that good play a weaker schedule but would get in as a gift for joe. If they get in they would get creamed by texas or USC, the team is decent but if they played better teams they would have at least one loss already, they got lucky that the big 10 is waaaaay down this year.

Im still pissed that USC is still ranked so high, they fucking lost to an unranked shit team and do not deserve to be up that high, after that crap game last night they should drop out of the top 10.

If UGA beats florida next week, they deserve to be back in the top 5 and then play hard down the stretch to set up the SEC championship game in atlanta, whoever wins that game is deserving to go to the NC game no matter how the rest of the teams finish.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Rutgers in 06 vs. Hawaii in 06 would have been an AWESOME matchup. Rutgers had a killer D.

[SP1!]

Rutgers in 06 vs. Hawaii in 06 would have been an AWESOME matchup. Rutgers had a killer D.

Well killer in the big east and the crappy k state team they played, I think hawaii would have handled them pretty easily though.

I still cant believe how much credit they are giving to USC, they almost lose to their second unranked team and they are still securely in 5th while 3 teams right behind them all deserve to be higher.

As long as PSU doesnt fuck it up, this NC game is theirs to go and get blown out in, and everyone else will get fucked again.

I want a playoff system so bad, the bcs is just making shit worse.

[Snoogans]

Well killer in the big east and the crappy k state team they played, I think hawaii would have handled them pretty easily though.

I still cant believe how much credit they are giving to USC, they almost lose to their second unranked team and they are still securely in 5th while 3 teams right behind them all deserve to be higher.

As long as PSU doesnt fuck it up, this NC game is theirs to go and get blown out in, and everyone else will get fucked again.

I want a playoff system so bad, the bcs is just making shit worse.

people seem to forget the big east was 5-0 in bowl games in 06. They were very strong that year. I think epo meant that last year hawaii woulda beat rutgers, which is most likely true, but it woulda been a good game.

[SP1!]

Well so much for wishful thinking

http://www.bcsfootball.org/cfb/story/8163344/Officials:-BCS-too-healthy-to-change

"After a very thorough, very good discussion among the group, we have decided that because we feel at this time the BCS is in an unprecedented state of health, we feel it's never been healthier during its first decade, we have made a decision to move forward in the next cycle with the current format,"

Meaning: "We made a shitload of money and really would like to milk it for all its worth"

In the end, only the SEC and ACC wanted to even continue the discussion of the plus-one.

That doesnt surprise me, since if this was done in the past few years you would have most likely had 2 SEC teams playing in that final game and the other conferences would see that as being insulting.

[Snoogans]

Well so much for wishful thinking

http://www.bcsfootball.org/cfb/story/8163344/Officials:-BCS-too-healthy-to-change



Meaning: "We made a shitload of money and really would like to milk it for all its worth"



That doesnt surprise me, since if this was done in the past few years you would have most likely had 2 SEC teams playing in that final game and the other conferences would see that as being insulting.

as much as I would like a playoff, I still dont think the system now hurts the game. If anything, it makes the regular season games even better. Each has its +'s, playoff probably more, but I cant say I dont like the meaningful regular season games and end of year debates. That shit is fun

[SP1!]

people seem to forget the big east was 5-0 in bowl games in 06. They were very strong that year. I think epo meant that last year hawaii woulda beat rutgers, which is most likely true, but it woulda been a good game.

Yeah the 2006 team was just a younger version of the same team, I think they could have beaten that rutgers team, RU was ok but they had only an average secondary.

[Snoogans]

Yeah the 2006 team was just a younger version of the same team, I think they could have beaten that rutgers team, RU was ok but they had only an average secondary.

RU knocked off some tough teams in 06 though. Plus Hawaii was a younger version of the fraud team that got raped by the first real team they played last year. I say Rutgers takes them in 06, probably loses a close one last year. And this year, probably no one would watch so who cares

[SP1!]

as much as I would like a playoff, I still dont think the system now hurts the game. If anything, it makes the regular season games even better. Each has its +'s, playoff probably more, but I cant say I dont like the meaningful regular season games and end of year debates. That shit is fun

I think it sucks, you get what you have this year.

There is no way that texas team does that in the SEC with just a QB, there is no way PSU is that good, and there is no way that USC even deserves consideration for the NC game this year.

A playoff would get rid of all this bullshit and separate teams out that are merely playing in a conference that is really having a down year like the pac 10 and big 10. Can you really say a team like USC who plays in a conference that barely has 2 teams(including them) even remotely ranked deserves to be at number 5 with that shitty strength of schedule? A playoff would get rid of that kind of shit and quickly then a team like a 2006 rutgers would actually have a shot or a mid tier team would as well since all they can hope for now is just a scrub BCS game.

[SP1!]

RU knocked off some tough teams in 06 though. Plus Hawaii was a younger version of the fraud team that got raped by the first real team they played last year. I say Rutgers takes them in 06, probably loses a close one last year. And this year, probably no one would watch so who cares

Well you hold more hope for your home team, I remember the only hard game they had all year was against louisville, who was over rated as well IMO.

[Snoogans]

I think it sucks, you get what you have this year.

There is no way that texas team does that in the SEC with just a QB, there is no way PSU is that good, and there is no way that USC even deserves consideration for the NC game this year.

A playoff would get rid of all this bullshit and separate teams out that are merely playing in a conference that is really having a down year like the pac 10 and big 10. Can you really say a team like USC who plays in a conference that barely has 2 teams(including them) even remotely ranked deserves to be at number 5 with that shitty strength of schedule? A playoff would get rid of that kind of shit and quickly then a team like a 2006 rutgers would actually have a shot or a mid tier team would as well since all they can hope for now is just a scrub BCS game.

im tryin to remember a year where they did deserve the amount of attention they got. Fuck USC, and good for Kirk Herbstreet, duckin Pete Carrol. FUCK Pete Carrol.

I agree with you a playoff is better. I conceeded that, and have argued for one. All I'm sayin is, maybe this is more recent too, things arent as bad how they are as people act. The years that there is controversey, its a huge story, and the years they prob get it right, no one says anything. So people only hear about the few bad years of it, though they were REALLY bad.

The way I would do it i think keeps everyone happy, AND keep the BCS, which is a big issue here:

Use the BCS. Use it the exact same way you do now. Get the rankings. Take the top 8 teams in the BCS rankings (i know then the 9-12 teams will bitch, but they bitch in basketball when its 65 teams now, it'll never be good enough. The top 8 teams is pretty fair). Those BCS top 8 teams play a total of 7 games in a playoff, 4 total games first round, 2 second round, 1 the championship.

Play those games at the 4 BCS bowl sites. Rotate the place year to year that only gets 1 game. That way the BCS gets there money, each of the 4 sites gets the same money as they do with 1 game there now, maybe more cause the game is more important since its playoffs. Also, 3 of those 4 every year will get extra money from hosting a SECOND game.

Then, use the rest of the bowl games how they are now for the teams who were outside the BCS top 8, which is kinda how it is now anyway, kinda. Then, all those bowls and schools still get their bowl game and paydays. Everyone is happy and the champion is unquestionable, plus we still get that awesome 2+ weeks of a bunch of games every day.

[Snoogans]

Well you hold more hope for your home team, I remember the only hard game they had all year was against louisville, who was over rated as well IMO.

I understand. It is less homer, but I watched every rutgers games, and i see ALOT of Hawaii games cause they are always the only game on at like 11 or midnight. I truly believe that 06 Rutgers team woulda taken the 06 Hawaii team. Last year they prob lose, but the Rutgers pass defense was better last year then in 06 and FAR better then its been this year. Which is another odd thing considering the only starter that didnt start last year is lefeged at SS and he has played probably the best. The McCourtey's and Green all started last year and played way better.

[El Mudo]

im tryin to remember a year where they did deserve the amount of attention they got. Fuck USC, and good for Kirk Herbstreet, duckin Pete Carrol. FUCK Pete Carrol.

I agree with you a playoff is better. I conceeded that, and have argued for one. All I'm sayin is, maybe this is more recent too, things arent as bad how they are as people act. The years that there is controversey, its a huge story, and the years they prob get it right, no one says anything. So people only hear about the few bad years of it, though they were REALLY bad.

The way I would do it i think keeps everyone happy, AND keep the BCS, which is a big issue here:

Use the BCS. Use it the exact same way you do now. Get the rankings. Take the top 8 teams in the BCS rankings (i know then the 9-12 teams will bitch, but they bitch in basketball when its 65 teams now, it'll never be good enough. The top 8 teams is pretty fair). Those BCS top 8 teams play a total of 7 games in a playoff, 4 total games first round, 2 second round, 1 the championship.

Play those games at the 4 BCS bowl sites. Rotate the place year to year that only gets 1 game. That way the BCS gets there money, each of the 4 sites gets the same money as they do with 1 game there now, maybe more cause the game is more important since its playoffs. Also, 3 of those 4 every year will get extra money from hosting a SECOND game.

Then, use the rest of the bowl games how they are now for the teams who were outside the BCS top 8, which is kinda how it is now anyway, kinda. Then, all those bowls and schools still get their bowl game and paydays. Everyone is happy and the champion is unquestionable, plus we still get that awesome 2+ weeks of a bunch of games every day.



The day ANY type of "playoff system" like the one you describe is enacted, is the day I am officially THROUGH with college football. The BCS system is the best one we can get at the present, and its gotten it right a lot more times that its gotten it wrong.

People will not be happy until they succeed turning the game I love (college football) into the game I loathe and despise (the NFL). And it will be an absolutely crushing day when that happens.

[Snoogans]

The day ANY type of "playoff system" like the one you describe is enacted, is the day I am officially THROUGH with college football. The BCS system is the best one we can get at the present, and its gotten it right a lot more times that its gotten it wrong.

People will not be happy until they succeed turning the game I love (college football) into the game I loathe and despise (the NFL). And it will be an absolutely crushing day when that happens.

i agree with it being right more then wrong as i said already. However a playoff wouldnt NFLize the game. The season wouldnt be any longer, you would avoid teams being flat after having a MONTH off, and you get a definitive champion. If it wasnt for the playoff system, NOBODY would watch college basketball. I dont think a playoff of 8 teams would ruin anything with college football, esp for schools like maryland and rutgers, who arent the perennial teams in the top 8. They would still have to win every week to get there, those games would still matter. the rivalries would still matter. it would still be different then the NFL

[Snoogans]

and remember i said im happy how it is. IF they go to a playoff, i just think it should be the way i posted so that the BCS and bowl games still stay and still matter. So it doesnt become ALL about the playoff. I dont want some huge playoff where the rest of the shit doesnt matter like the NIT. Keep it small and keep the traditional part in it. Thats what i want if they go to playoff.

As it is now, im still a way bigger college fan then NFL, so

[Snoogans]

btw is anyone even watching this UCF Tulsa game. 14-7 Tulsa but UCF just got that 7. Seems like it might be a good game. Plus I have UCF +24 so i got that to root for.

GO UCF WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU ARE CALLEDS

[cougarjake13]

btw is anyone even watching this UCF Tulsa game. 14-7 Tulsa but UCF just got that 7. Seems like it might be a good game. Plus I have UCF +24 so i got that to root for.

GO UCF WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU ARE CALLEDS

ucf knights

[SP1!]

The day ANY type of "playoff system" like the one you describe is enacted, is the day I am officially THROUGH with college football. The BCS system is the best one we can get at the present, and its gotten it right a lot more times that its gotten it wrong.

People will not be happy until they succeed turning the game I love (college football) into the game I loathe and despise (the NFL). And it will be an absolutely crushing day when that happens.

There has still been plenty of room to argue and thats what the BCS was supposed to stop, well its not and until theres a playoff there will always be arguments.

If you get a system like march madness has(scaled down of course) it would create more buzz and get most teams on a more level field, all these schools that get away with playing in a shit conference will now have to deal with top flight talent hitting them for a few weeks in a row. Right now you have teams that basically play teams that have a talent level of teams barely in DIV I counting as their conference games where those games would be considered other schools creampuff games.

And we can get away from shit bowl games like putting up Illinois vs USC and UGA vs Hawaii last year, we all wanted to see UGA play USC, it would have been a great fucking game, instead we got two snorefests instead of what could have been two good games.

This system sucks almost as bad as the last bullshit system

[ozzie]

Use the BCS. Use it the exact same way you do now. Get the rankings. Take the top 8 teams in the BCS rankings (i know then the 9-12 teams will bitch, but they bitch in basketball when its 65 teams now, it'll never be good enough. The top 8 teams is pretty fair). Those BCS top 8 teams play a total of 7 games in a playoff, 4 total games first round, 2 second round, 1 the championship.

Play those games at the 4 BCS bowl sites. Rotate the place year to year that only gets 1 game. That way the BCS gets there money, each of the 4 sites gets the same money as they do with 1 game there now, maybe more cause the game is more important since its playoffs. Also, 3 of those 4 every year will get extra money from hosting a SECOND game.

Then, use the rest of the bowl games how they are now for the teams who were outside the BCS top 8, which is kinda how it is now anyway, kinda. Then, all those bowls and schools still get their bowl game and paydays. Everyone is happy and the champion is unquestionable, plus we still get that awesome 2+ weeks of a bunch of games every day.

Not bad. The only thing I would like to see different is for all BCS conference champions to be represented in an 8 team format... or all 11 represented in a 16 team field.

Remember... if not for a loss to Pitt, WVU was the #2 team, and would have been in against Ohio State last year. And after the way they destroyed Oklahoma in their bowl game, it's hard to argue that they couldn't have beaten Ohio State if they'd played. Would people have still said that the BCS got it right? And just because a two loss LSU team beat Ohio State, does that really mean that they were the undisputed BEST team in the country?

Here's what we would have had last year with the final top-8 BCS ranked teams:

1. Ohio State
8. Kansas

4. Georgia
5. Virginia Tech

2. LSU
7. Missouri

3. Oklahoma
6. USC

Three from the Big 12 seems excessive. If the Big East champ has an automatic bid, they get a shot at OSU in the first round instead of Kansas. Everything else would stay the same.

If you give all 11 Div-1A conference champs an automatic bid, and then take the top 5 highest ranked "at large teams", here's what you would have gotten:

1. Ohio State
16. Florida Atlantic

8. Kansas
9. Hawaii

4. Georgia
13. BYU

5. Virginia Tech
12. Arizona State

2. LSU
15. Central Michigan

7. Missouri
10. Florida

3. Oklahoma
14. UCF

6. USC
11. West Virginia

Just like in Basketball, not all of the first round match-ups would be Marquis games on paper, but I wouldn't bet chalk on this bracket either.

I'm not stupid. I know that there's no way we're anywhere near something like this happening, but if they would at least agree on trying a "Plus One" / Four team playoff, at least once, it wouldn't be long before they might consider going to eight.

In either format, there would still be the emphasis on winning your conference. And looking at the "best games" so far this year, would any of them had any less meaning?

Seriously. I'd love for the BCS proponents to tell me how a playoff affects the regular season. So far the best games this year have been inter-conference games anyway.

And yes, a playoff might include a few teams that didn't win their conference, but so what? Most years, it should. Can you honestly say that Georgia wasn't one of the top-4 teams at the end of last year? Should their season have ended when they lost at Tennessee?

And yes, Oklahoma had their shot at Texas and lost in Week 6, and won't have a shot at their conf champ game unless Texas drops two games. So should their season be over?

Yes, in a playoff, you could end up with a title game between two teams from the same conference. But is it so inconceivable that the two best teams might just be in the same conference? Last year LSU didn't play Georgia in the regular season or championship game. They each lost two conference games. How can you argue that LSU had a right to play for the title and Georgia didn't?

The fact that USC is back in the top-5 and ranked ahead of Georgia just proves the flaw in the BCS ranking system. It's all about WHEN you lose, not who you lose to.

And because teams from different conferences don't often play common opponents, you can't really compare on paper anyway. The only way is to play it out and give each conf champ a chance.

[Snoogans]

Not bad. The only thing I would like to see different is for all BCS conference champions to be represented in an 8 team format... or all 11 represented in a 16 team field.

Remember... if not for a loss to Pitt, WVU was the #2 team, and would have been in against Ohio State last year. And after the way they destroyed Oklahoma in their bowl game, it's hard to argue that they couldn't have beaten Ohio State if they'd played. Would people have still said that the BCS got it right? And just because a two loss LSU team beat Ohio State, does that really mean that they were the undisputed BEST team in the country?

Here's what we would have had last year with the final top-8 BCS ranked teams:

1. Ohio State
8. Kansas

4. Georgia
5. Virginia Tech

2. LSU
7. Missouri

3. Oklahoma
6. USC

Three from the Big 12 seems excessive. If the Big East champ has an automatic bid, they get a shot at OSU in the first round instead of Kansas. Everything else would stay the same.

If you give all 11 Div-1A conference champs an automatic bid, and then take the top 5 highest ranked "at large teams", here's what you would have gotten:

1. Ohio State
16. Florida Atlantic

8. Kansas
9. Hawaii

4. Georgia
13. BYU

5. Virginia Tech
12. Arizona State

2. LSU
15. Central Michigan

7. Missouri
10. Florida

3. Oklahoma
14. UCF

6. USC
11. West Virginia

Just like in Basketball, not all of the first round match-ups would be Marquis games on paper, but I wouldn't bet chalk on this bracket either.

I'm not stupid. I know that there's no way we're anywhere near something like this happening, but if they would at least agree on trying a "Plus One" / Four team playoff, at least once, it wouldn't be long before they might consider going to eight.

In either format, there would still be the emphasis on winning your conference. And looking at the "best games" so far this year, would any of them had any less meaning?

Seriously. I'd love for the BCS proponents to tell me how a playoff affects the regular season. So far the best games this year have been inter-conference games anyway.

And yes, a playoff might include a few teams that didn't win their conference, but so what? Most years, it should. Can you honestly say that Georgia wasn't one of the top-4 teams at the end of last year? Should their season have ended when they lost at Tennessee?

And yes, Oklahoma had their shot at Texas and lost in Week 6, and won't have a shot at their conf champ game unless Texas drops two games. So should their season be over?

Yes, in a playoff, you could end up with a title game between two teams from the same conference. But is it so inconceivable that the two best teams might just be in the same conference? Last year LSU didn't play Georgia in the regular season or championship game. They each lost two conference games. How can you argue that LSU had a right to play for the title and Georgia didn't?

The fact that USC is back in the top-5 and ranked ahead of Georgia just proves the flaw in the BCS ranking system. It's all about WHEN you lose, not who you lose to.

And because teams from different conferences don't often play common opponents, you can't really compare on paper anyway. The only way is to play it out and give each conf champ a chance.
I think the NCAA needs to hire us to get this done. you could easily, if 8 teams, play it the 3 weeks leading up to jan 7/8/9th, and with 16 teams its one more week. The season ends basically december 1st, they could EASILY do this.

come on ozzie, lets just go sit and wait for that call from the NCAA

[SP1!]

The only way this gets done is if the networks force them to do it, they forced them to get the BCS done and if the networks ask for it you can bet your ass they will get it done.

Whats amazing is that the only conferences that want this are the ACC and the SEC, most of those other conferences wouldnt last past the 2nd round in those tournaments.

[ozzie]

I think the NCAA needs to hire us to get this done. you could easily, if 8 teams, play it the 3 weeks leading up to jan 7/8/9th, and with 16 teams its one more week. The season ends basically december 1st, they could EASILY do this.

come on ozzie, lets just go sit and wait for that call from the NCAA

Way ahead of ya partner. I've sent playoff proposals to most of the ESPN college football writers, and even put together a 4 game NCAA controlled non-conference schedule based on where teams finished the year before.

I tried going throught the front door of the NCAA, but got no response. I sent proposals of both to Ivan Maisel, Pat Forde and others, trying to solicit their help in pushing this agenda. So far no response from them either, but I'm sure they get this stuff all the time.

The non-conference schedule was fun. It's entirely too big to post here, but it was a really simple formula. Higher ranked teams faced tougher schedules the following year, but I proposed it in line with a playoff that included automatic bids for Conference champs, so losing these games would not hurt anyone's chances.

I'm just fed up with watching the SEC schools playing 1-AA teams, or picking on the Sun Belt conference. I know why they do it, and it sucks.

It really wouldn't take much for the NCAA to set each school's schedule, and still keep out of conference rivalries like Florida vs. Florida State, Georgia vs. Ga Tech, So. Carolina vs. Clemson, etc., but would eliminate Ohio State vs. Youngstown State, and others.

To give you an example, I had Rutgers as the #5 team from the Big East last year. Based on this, they'd play @ Notre Dame (Ind #3), Kansas State (Big 12 #8) at home, Boston College (ACC #2) at home, then @ Arizona (Pac 10 #6).

Auburn finishing fourth in the SEC would open with Texas Tech (Big 12 #5) at home, @ Pitt (Big East #7), Louisville (Big East #6) at home, then @ Illinois (Big 10 #2).

Georgia, finishing third in the SEC, would open with Wake Forest (ACC #4) at home, @ Troy (Sun Belt #1), Colorado (Big 12 #6) at home, then @ Ohio State (Big 10 #1).

You get the idea.

Anyway, I didn't spend a ton of time trying to figure out if the #6 team in the ACC was really better than the #2 team in the MAC, etc., but just threw out an idea of how they could gain control of the schedule, instead of allowing each individual school to make their own deals with other teams for their non-conference games.

The only problem was with the 4 Independent teams, and conferences that only had 8 teams. But if you make the independents join a conference, problem solved.

Right now, only the Big East and Sun Belt play only 7 conference games. I see what you're saying about putting Notre Dame in the Big East, but I'd like to see them in the Big 10, to make that a 12 team conference, split into divisions, and add a conference championship game.

I'd suggest Army and Navy in the Big East, and W. Kentucky in the Sun Belt. Then let the NCAA set the 4 non-conference games, and then have each school play out their 8 conference games.

This way every school plays equal amounts of home and away games, and it forces the big boys to actually get off their asses and travel to other non-conference locations. As it stands, most big schools that can afford it, pay Sun Belt or MAC teams to come to their place, with no "Home and Home" deal where they ever go there. Most SEC schools work it to where they play at least 7 if not 8 home games every year. The only time they travel is when the conference tells them to go. It should be no different with the non-conference games.

Lets face it. There are 120 D-1A schools, and we're all about finding the best team within a 12 week schedule, right? They can't all play common opponents, so the closest they could do would be to force them to play "similarly ranked / strength" opponents, both home and away.

[ozzie]

Here's a couple more examples, while I have the spreadsheet open:

ACC #10 Maryland:

@ WAC #9 - Idaho
vs. USA #9 - UTEP
@ Big 10 #8 - Indiana
vs. Pac 10 #9 - Stanford

Big 10 #5 - Penn State:

@ Big East #3 - Cincinatti
vs. ACC #8 - North Carolina
vs. Big 12 #2 - Oklahoma
@ USA #1 - UCF

Big 10 #1 - Ohio State:

@ Sun Belt #1 - Troy
vs. Big 12 #6 - Colorado
@ ACC #4 - Wake Forest
vs. SEC #3 - Georgia

I'm telling you, it's easier than you think.

I have no hopes that anyone would ever go for it, or the university presidents giving up this much control... but it's been fun to imagine.

It would be like a perpetual bowl season all through September!

I couldn't imagine the excitement of having THE Ohio State University having to travel to little ole Troy U down here to open the season.

[Snoogans]

Way ahead of ya partner. I've sent playoff proposals to most of the ESPN college football writers, and even put together a 4 game NCAA controlled non-conference schedule based on where teams finished the year before.

I tried going throught the front door of the NCAA, but got no response. I sent proposals of both to Ivan Maisel, Pat Forde and others, trying to solicit their help in pushing this agenda. So far no response from them either, but I'm sure they get this stuff all the time.

The non-conference schedule was fun. It's entirely too big to post here, but it was a really simple formula. Higher ranked teams faced tougher schedules the following year, but I proposed it in line with a playoff that included automatic bids for Conference champs, so losing these games would not hurt anyone's chances.

I'm just fed up with watching the SEC schools playing 1-AA teams, or picking on the Sun Belt conference. I know why they do it, and it sucks.

It really wouldn't take much for the NCAA to set each school's schedule, and still keep out of conference rivalries like Florida vs. Florida State, Georgia vs. Ga Tech, So. Carolina vs. Clemson, etc., but would eliminate Ohio State vs. Youngstown State, and others.

To give you an example, I had Rutgers as the #5 team from the Big East last year. Based on this, they'd play @ Notre Dame (Ind #3), Kansas State (Big 12 #8) at home, Boston College (ACC #2) at home, then @ Arizona (Pac 10 #6).

Auburn finishing fourth in the SEC would open with Texas Tech (Big 12 #5) at home, @ Pitt (Big East #7), Louisville (Big East #6) at home, then @ Illinois (Big 10 #2).

Georgia, finishing third in the SEC, would open with Wake Forest (ACC #4) at home, @ Troy (Sun Belt #1), Colorado (Big 12 #6) at home, then @ Ohio State (Big 10 #1).

You get the idea.

Anyway, I didn't spend a ton of time trying to figure out if the #6 team in the ACC was really better than the #2 team in the MAC, etc., but just threw out an idea of how they could gain control of the schedule, instead of allowing each individual school to make their own deals with other teams for their non-conference games.

The only problem was with the 4 Independent teams, and conferences that only had 8 teams. But if you make the independents join a conference, problem solved.

Right now, only the Big East and Sun Belt play only 7 conference games. I see what you're saying about putting Notre Dame in the Big East, but I'd like to see them in the Big 10, to make that a 12 team conference, split into divisions, and add a conference championship game.

I'd suggest Army and Navy in the Big East, and W. Kentucky in the Sun Belt. Then let the NCAA set the 4 non-conference games, and then have each school play out their 8 conference games.

This way every school plays equal amounts of home and away games, and it forces the big boys to actually get off their asses and travel to other non-conference locations. As it stands, most big schools that can afford it, pay Sun Belt or MAC teams to come to their place, with no "Home and Home" deal where they ever go there. Most SEC schools work it to where they play at least 7 if not 8 home games every year. The only time they travel is when the conference tells them to go. It should be no different with the non-conference games.

Lets face it. There are 120 D-1A schools, and we're all about finding the best team within a 12 week schedule, right? They can't all play common opponents, so the closest they could do would be to force them to play "similarly ranked / strength" opponents, both home and away.

I wasnt disagreeing. Just sayin that if they ever do join a conf, for the school, it makes more sense to go big east and not have to change every athletic program's conf throughout the school. And I would love Navy in the Big East. They arent a joke anymore, and I love watching their offense run. Just to get to see them play more would be cool. Fuck Army though. Put them in the Mac or something and give us even shitty temple. Anything is better then army

[Snoogans]

Here's a couple more examples, while I have the spreadsheet open:

ACC #10 Maryland:

@ WAC #9 - Idaho
vs. USA #9 - UTEP
@ Big 10 #8 - Indiana
vs. Pac 10 #9 - Stanford

Big 10 #5 - Penn State:

@ Big East #3 - Cincinatti
vs. ACC #8 - North Carolina
vs. Big 12 #2 - Oklahoma
@ USA #1 - UCF

Big 10 #1 - Ohio State:

@ Sun Belt #1 - Troy
vs. Big 12 #6 - Colorado
@ ACC #4 - Wake Forest
vs. SEC #3 - Georgia

I'm telling you, it's easier than you think.

I have no hopes that anyone would ever go for it, or the university presidents giving up this much control... but it's been fun to imagine.

It would be like a perpetual bowl season all through September!

I couldn't imagine the excitement of having THE Ohio State University having to travel to little ole Troy U down here to open the season.

I would rather let the schools make their own schedules. The BCS already weighs that in and so it would effect the playoff chances of a team who pads the Out of conf with shitty teams. Esp if one team in the conf schedules tough games.

For example, could Florida really take a chance at playin garbage schools if there was only an 8 team playoff and 2-3 other SEC schools took tough games out of conf? You would think it would start to force these teams to take tougher games so they dont get bumped out of a playoff if they only lose once

[ozzie]

I would rather let the schools make their own schedules. The BCS already weighs that in and so it would effect the playoff chances of a team who pads the Out of conf with shitty teams. Esp if one team in the conf schedules tough games.

For example, could Florida really take a chance at playin garbage schools if there was only an 8 team playoff and 2-3 other SEC schools took tough games out of conf? You would think it would start to force these teams to take tougher games so they dont get bumped out of a playoff if they only lose once

You would think so (or hope so), but the voters are sometimes blinded by records, and don't take the time to look at the strength of schedule. That's the way it should be now under the BCS system, but it's not always considered.

Auburn was told that they were shut out of the title game in 2004 because of the strength of their non-conf schedule. You would think that the rest of the SEC (and around the country) teams would have beefed up their schedule, but it aint happenin.

This year alone in the SEC, 9 of the 12 teams are playing 1-AA schools:

Arkansas vs. W. Illinois
Auburn vs. Tennessee Martin
LSU vs. Appalachian State
Ole Miss vs. Samford
Miss State vs. S.E. Louisiana
Georgia vs. Georgia Southern
Kentucky vs. Norfolk
South Carolina vs. Wofford
Florida vs. The Citadel

With 120 teams to chose from, it's ridiculous for any BCS school to play a 1-AA team.

But then you look at a year like this year, and with the likelyhood that you have to be undefeated to be considered to be in the title game, and you see why some schools are reluctant to schedule tough non-conference games.

It didnt' hurt LSU or OSU last year, and their schedules were shit. (Ok, I'll give LSU playing Va Tech, but that was it)

[Snoogans]

You would think so (or hope so), but the voters are sometimes blinded by records, and don't take the time to look at the strength of schedule. That's the way it should be now under the BCS system, but it's not always considered.

Auburn was told that they were shut out of the title game in 2004 because of the strength of their non-conf schedule. You would think that the rest of the SEC (and around the country) teams would have beefed up their schedule, but it aint happenin.

This year alone in the SEC, 9 of the 12 teams are playing 1-AA schools:

Arkansas vs. W. Illinois
Auburn vs. Tennessee Martin
LSU vs. Appalachian State
Ole Miss vs. Samford
Miss State vs. S.E. Louisiana
Georgia vs. Georgia Southern
Kentucky vs. Norfolk
South Carolina vs. Wofford
Florida vs. The Citadel

With 120 teams to chose from, it's ridiculous for any BCS school to play a 1-AA team.

But then you look at a year like this year, and with the likelyhood that you have to be undefeated to be considered to be in the title game, and you see why some schools are reluctant to schedule tough non-conference games.

It didnt' hurt LSU or OSU last year, and their schedules were shit. (Ok, I'll give LSU playing Va Tech, but that was it)

fair, but thats why im for 8 teams instead of 16. You will still get 3 and 4 teams from a conf with a 16 team playoff, and the scheduling wont change. 8 Teams is a bit more urgency.

You could go winner of the 6 conf's plus the next 2 highest ranked. If you are a crying mid major fan, you could do winner of each BCS conf, the highest non BCS ranked team, and then just the next best ranked team. I just dont want 16 games. Thats too big.

[JimBeam]

The argument that ND in someway plays a weak schedule is the most tiresome and ridiculous point ever ( except for this year as they do have some lame games ).

The thought that they wouldn't win in the Big 10, if they joined it, is comlpletely ludicrous in that they play 1/3 of that schedule every year.

Notre Dame is 12-11 against the Big 10 over the last 6+ years ( 2002 - present ) which includes some streaky years : 3-0 ( 2002 ), 0-3 ( 2003 ), 3-1 ( 2006 ) and 0-4 ( 2007 ).

They are also 13-6 against the PAC10 with the 6 losses all to USC.

Suprisingly thay are only 5-5 against the Big East ( I'm not sure when Boston College joined the ACC but I believe I factored that in accordingly. ).

They are 5-4 against the ACC and 2-0 against the SEC in this timeframe.

That makes them 37-26 against teams in the " real " BCS.

Bowl games are another story altogether but would still not give them a losing record against any of these conferences ( one loss each to the ACC, PAC10, Big 10 and SEC ).

Don't let your hatred for ND make you blind to obvious realities.

They constantly play 6+ teams that go to bowl games with many of those teams being their conference champions.

In fact as bad as this year's schedule seems to be it's possible that in the end they will have played 3 teams that go to BCS bowl games ( if USC wins the PAC10, UNC wins the ACC and Pitt wins the Big East ).

[toolshed]

there is no logical reason not to have a playoff...except that the small group of people that can control it don't want one. the old guard said that it was all about money, but i can't imagine that adding in additional games would impact ticket sales for regular season games so badly that it wouldn't even out at least.

but you would still have to have polling to choose any teams that were not conference champions, and that polling is still going to be biased in the same way that the stupid BCS poll is biased now. and again, one of the media darling teams can lose early to an awful school and still get in without winning any conference championship.

[ozzie]

The argument that ND in someway plays a weak schedule is the most tiresome and ridiculous point ever ( except for this year as they do have some lame games ).

The thought that they wouldn't win in the Big 10, if they joined it, is comlpletely ludicrous in that they play 1/3 of that schedule every year.

Notre Dame is 12-11 against the Big 10 over the last 6+ years ( 2002 - present ) which includes some streaky years : 3-0 ( 2002 ), 0-3 ( 2003 ), 3-1 ( 2006 ) and 0-4 ( 2007 ).

They are also 13-6 against the PAC10 with the 6 losses all to USC.

Suprisingly thay are only 5-5 against the Big East ( I'm not sure when Boston College joined the ACC but I believe I factored that in accordingly. ).

They are 5-4 against the ACC and 2-0 against the SEC in this timeframe.

That makes them 37-26 against teams in the " real " BCS.

Bowl games are another story altogether but would still not give them a losing record against any of these conferences ( one loss each to the ACC, PAC10, Big 10 and SEC ).

Don't let your hatred for ND make you blind to obvious realities.

They constantly play 6+ teams that go to bowl games with many of those teams being their conference champions.

In fact as bad as this year's schedule seems to be it's possible that in the end they will have played 3 teams that go to BCS bowl games ( if USC wins the PAC10, UNC wins the ACC and Pitt wins the Big East ).

I don't know if this was directed at me, but what the hell, I'll answer. I never said anything about the strength of ND's schedule. The only time I brought them up was that not being in a conference messed up my idea of having the NCAA set a non-conf schedule for each team.

With all of the conference tie-in's already, and the trend of scheduling cupcakes, I give ND and their opponents a lot of credit for continuing to play each other every year. It would be easy for Michigan State or Purdue to back out and pick up Eastern Illinois or some shit, and get another home game for themselves every year.

[Snoogans]

I don't know if this was directed at me, but what the hell, I'll answer. I never said anything about the strength of ND's schedule. The only time I brought them up was that not being in a conference messed up my idea of having the NCAA set a non-conf schedule for each team.

With all of the conference tie-in's already, and the trend of scheduling cupcakes, I give ND and their opponents a lot of credit for continuing to play each other every year. It would be easy for Michigan State or Purdue to back out and pick up Eastern Illinois or some shit, and get another home game for themselves every year.

ND ties in to most of what the big esat ties into.

[JimBeam]

Not you Snoogans.

I think it was Epo that made a comment.

If Notre Dame would enter a real conference they would never get a fucking bid.

Biggest.
Joke.
Ever.

It was a few pages back and I was playing catch up on this thread.

[Snoogans]

i know. I was just sayin that for auto bowl game ties, ND's mostly seem to go with the Big East

[Freakshow]

Shit, PSU didn't shit to bed like I thought they would. Perhaps Joe can get his third undefeated season (I think), win the championship and die at the trophy presentation as he protests for a playoff bc he's still mad about that Nebraska title.

Try 6th undefeated season. One this year would give him an undefeated season in 5 different decades ('68, '69, '73, '86, and '94). He only won MNC in one of those years--'86, the other MNC came in '82 where PSU lost to Alabama during the season, but ended with the number 2 ranking and then defeated Georgia and the greatest college football player ever in a huge upset in the Sugar Bowl. (For the record the '87 Fiesta Bowl was a pretty big upset as well--Miami featured Heisman winner Vinny Testaverde, Michael Irvin and a slew of future NFLs, but we taken out by a team with no cornerbacks over 6' tall).

If you anyone doesn't think PSU can be competitive in a BCS title isn't paying attention. Paterno has won more bowl games than most other colleges, and he is the best ever with time to prepare for a game (unlike Ohio State that seems to get worse the longer they have to prepare).

And for anyone who thinks he's not actively coaching this team--he hurt his leg while onside kicking at practice (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3644214). That sure sounds like someone who is just letting everyone else do the work.

[Snoogans]

Buffalo at Ohio tonight. Who else is watchin?

[Freakshow]

has buffalo won a game this decade?

[Snoogans]

buffalo is 3-4 this year.

they beat UTEP, Temple, and Army (I mean come on, that alone is BCS worthy) and actually did play pretty tough against pitt and not that bad against missouri.

Ohio, on the other hand, is 2-6 and has beat VMI and Kent State. they did play decently tough against Ohio State and Norhtwestern, but we all know the big ten is a sham, so. Also, they lost to Wyoming, who is TERRIBLE.


Should be a good game

[Fezticle98]

Buffalo at Ohio tonight. Who else is watchin?

I wouldn't watch that game if it was presented in Frank Solich Beer Goggle vision.

[Snoogans]

I wouldn't watch that game if it was presented in Frank Solich Beer Goggle vision.

but its interactive tuesday on ESPN. Stoner on the sidelines and Reese Davis might play your voicemails on air. Plus interactive polls and such, you know, ot get your might off the fact you are watching a MAC game

[ozzie]

but its interactive tuesday on ESPN. Stoner on the sidelines and Reese Davis might play your voicemails on air. Plus interactive polls and such, you know, ot get your might off the fact you are watching a MAC game

Interactive Tuesday's are great. Love seeing the smack talk above the score line that has nothing to do with the game that's on.

Wonder if I could get a comment on the air with the screenname of "RonFezNoonToThreeXM202".

[Snoogans]

Interactive Tuesday's are great. Love seeing the smack talk above the score line that has nothing to do with the game that's on.

Wonder if I could get a comment on the air with the screenname of "RonFezNoonToThreeXM202".

i tried to drop a ron fez noon to 3 at the end of one of those messages but they didnt play it

[ozzie]

Buffalo at Ohio tonight. Who else is watchin?

Buffalo at Ohio is on ESPNU (6:00 p.m. CDT)

Houston at Marshall is the "Interactive" game at 7:00 p.m. ESPN2 (HD).

I guess you go HERE (http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=22603) to "interact".

[Snoogans]

Buffalo at Ohio is on ESPNU (6:00 p.m. CDT)

Houston at Marshall is the "Interactive" game at 7:00 p.m. ESPN2 (HD).

I guess you go HERE (http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=22603) to "interact".

oh fuck, i didnt even see that line. Nice, i have another game to bet. Conf USA blows ass too, but not as bad as the MAC

[Snoogans]

ozzie you broke my heart. Here I am, ready for some interactive tuesday and conf usa football, 7pm rolls up, AND THE GAME STARTS AT 8.


:wallbash::glurps:

[Freakshow]

but its interactive tuesday on ESPN. Stoner on the sidelines and Reese Davis might play your voicemails on air. Plus interactive polls and such, you know, ot get your might off the fact you are watching a MAC game

do you work for ESPN????

[Snoogans]

do you work for ESPN????

no, i just love college football.

[ozzie]

ozzie you broke my heart. Here I am, ready for some interactive tuesday and conf usa football, 7pm rolls up, AND THE GAME STARTS AT 8.


:wallbash::glurps:

Sorrrrrrrrrrey, sorrrrey.... I remembered to put the "CDT" on the previous game, but not the interactive game.

From now on, all times listed by ozzie are CENTRAL (aka Real) TIME.

[Snoogans]

Sorrrrrrrrrrey, sorrrrey.... I remembered to put the "CDT" on the previous game, but not the interactive game.

From now on, all times listed by ozzie are CENTRAL (aka Real) TIME.

what is CDT? Is that like another countries time or something?

[ozzie]

what is CDT? Is that like another countries time or something?

Cool
Daddy
Time!!!

(as opposed to CST, which starts this Sunday morning!)

Red State update... red state update...

[Snoogans]

Cool
Daddy
Time!!!

(as opposed to CST, which starts this Sunday morning!)

Red State update... red state update...

red states, what a bunch of weirdos.


anyway, we need to root for houston to cover 7.5 and buffalo to cover +1.5

[ozzie]

red states, what a bunch of weirdos.


anyway, we need to root for houston to cover 7.5 and buffalo to cover +1.5

UNDER 60.5 on the Houston game is looking pretty good right about now.

[Snoogans]

the top of the screen rules. Its all people either blowing penn state, or bad mouthing them and the entire big ten

[Snoogans]

that houston receiver just FUCKED UP some marshall cheerleader. Put her on her ASS

[ozzie]

red states, what a bunch of weirdos.

Disclaimer: The views expressed in the "VOICE OF THE FAN", do not reflect all of us who live in Alabama or Florida.

Holy shit, Houston is getting run over by the Herd!

[Snoogans]

Disclaimer: The views expressed in the "VOICE OF THE FAN", do not reflect all of us who live in Alabama or Florida.

Holy shit, Houston is getting run over by the Herd!

yea not good. Fuckin houston sucks balls. Conf USA sucks balls. Id rather be watching Buffalo and Ohio

[ozzie]

yea not good. Fuckin houston sucks balls. Conf USA sucks balls. Id rather be watching Buffalo and Ohio

You're not missing much. Solich looks as lost an uncomfortable on the sideline as he did in Nebraska, and Buffalo is covering the spread, up 24 - 7 and getting the ball back with under 9 mins in the 3rd.

Oh, and I have NFI who is calling this game, but Fez on his worst day under heavy medication had more to add and more energy than this color guy.

(Watch it turn out to be some former player I admired)

[Snoogans]

You're not missing much. Solich looks as lost an uncomfortable on the sideline as he did in Nebraska, and Buffalo is covering the spread, up 24 - 7 and getting the ball back with under 9 mins in the 3rd.

Oh, and I have NFI who is calling this game, but Fez on his worst day under heavy medication had more to add and more energy than this color guy.

(Watch it turn out to be some former player I admired)

maybe its cadillac williams. He isnt doin much anyway

and what im missing is seeing a team actually cover for me, not like GARBAGE HOUSTON

[ozzie]

maybe its cadillac williams. He isnt doin much anyway

Ouch. Nice one. At least you didn't go for a Bo Jackson joke.

Oh well, we've still got Ronnie Brown, Heath Evans (Pats), Rudi Johnson (Lions) and Brandon Jacobs (Yes, we claim him, even though he only played for AU for a year) running the ball in the NFL, so we're still well represented.

[Snoogans]

Ouch. Nice one. At least you didn't go for a Bo Jackson joke.

Oh well, we've still got Ronnie Brown, Heath Evans (Pats), Rudi Johnson (Lions) and Brandon Jacobs (Yes, we claim him, even though he only played for AU for a year) running the ball in the NFL, so we're still well represented.

Southern Illinois has Jacobs. Sorry bro, you cant get credit for that one. and after ronnie brown, the other 2 arent exactly killin it.

Not like Brian Leonard and Ray Rice, who are on pace for like 90000 yards this year.... DOMINATING

[Freakshow]

Who would have thought Ronnie Brown would have been a borderline probowler, and Carnell would have been such a bust. That '02 Auburn team is the only bowl game Penn State has lost in the last decade. But I think that team had a lot of talent--Jason Campbell, Ronnie Brown, Carlos Rodgers. The Penn State team had a lot of players drafted high, but didn't amount to much. The only one of those first rounders still doing anything is Larry Johnson, but he is mostly just spitting drinks at women in bars these days.

[Snoogans]

Who would have thought Ronnie Brown would have been a borderline probowler, and Carnell would have been such a bust. That '02 Auburn team is the only bowl game Penn State has lost in the last decade. But I think that team had a lot of talent--Jason Campbell, Ronnie Brown, Carlos Rodgers. The Penn State team had a lot of players drafted high, but didn't amount to much. The only one of those first rounders still doing anything is Larry Johnson, but he is mostly just spitting drinks at women in bars these days.

enough about penn state. Who are you, joe paterno III

[ozzie]

Southern Illinois has Jacobs. Sorry bro, you cant get credit for that one. and after ronnie brown, the other 2 arent exactly killin it.

Not like Brian Leonard and Ray Rice, who are on pace for like 90000 yards this year.... DOMINATING

But, but... we had him FIRST, dammit!

Auburn recruted him, and helped place him in a Junior College in Kansas (where they place a lot of kids who can't qualify right out of college), and he honored that by coming back to AU for his Junior year. Even with Ronnie and Carnell there, he was still 2nd on the team with 72 carries for 446 yards (6.2 yard avg) and three touchdowns.. But he didn't feel like he was getting enough touches, so by going to Div1-AA So Ill, he didn't lose a year of eligibility.

No one at AU blamed him for leaving. We just wished we'd had him beginning in his freshman year.

[Snoogans]

But, but... we had him FIRST, dammit!

Auburn recruted him, and helped place him in a Junior College in Kansas (where they place a lot of kids who can't qualify right out of college), and he honored that by coming back to AU for his Junior year. Even with Ronnie and Carnell there, he was still 2nd on the team with 72 carries for 446 yards (6.2 yard avg) and three touchdowns.. But he didn't feel like he was getting enough touches, so by going to Div1-AA So Ill, he didn't lose a year of eligibility.

No one at AU blamed him for leaving. We just wished we'd had him beginning in his freshman year.

then technically, they had him first. So he counts for Kansas City Community College's NFL tally

[ozzie]

Who would have thought Ronnie Brown would have been a borderline probowler, and Carnell would have been such a bust. That '02 Auburn team is the only bowl game Penn State has lost in the last decade. But I think that team had a lot of talent--Jason Campbell, Ronnie Brown, Carlos Rodgers. The Penn State team had a lot of players drafted high, but didn't amount to much. The only one of those first rounders still doing anything is Larry Johnson, but he is mostly just spitting drinks at women in bars these days.

Most AU fans knew Ronnie would be the better NFL runner, and so did most NFL scouts. Chuckie fell in love with Carnell down here at the Senior Bowl when he was coaching the South team, which is the only reason he went when he did in the draft. Ronnie went first, which wasn't a surprise.

Carnell was / is injury prone. Most knew that was his down-side. He still put up over 1,100 yards his rookie year. I wouldn't call him a "bust". He just can't stay healthy.

[ozzie]

then technically, they had him first. So he counts for Kansas City Community College's NFL tally

gawdammit. Alright, the Saluki's can have him.

We've still got:

Willie Anderson OT Baltimore Ravens
Devin Aromashodu WR Washington Redskins
Rob Bironas PK Tennessee Titans
Ronnie Brown RB Miami Dolphins
Jason Campbell QB Washington Redskins
Tim Carter WR Houston Texans
Karlos Dansby LB Arizona Cardinals
Tim Duckworth OG New Orleans Saints
Heath Evans RB New England Patriots
Chris Gray OG Seattle Seahawks
Ben Grubbs OG Baltimore Ravens
Marquies Gunn DE Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Will Herring LB Seattle Seahawks
Kevin Hobbs DB Seattle Seahawks
Roderick Hood DB Arizona Cardinals
David Irons DB Atlanta Falcons
<strike>Kenny Irons RB Cincinnati Bengals</strike>
Tommy Jackson DT Kansas City Chiefs
<strike>Brandon Jacobs RB New York Giants </strike>
Rudi Johnson RB Detroit Lions
Spencer Johnson DT Buffalo Bills
Stanley McClover DE Carolina Panthers
Marcus McNeill OT San Diego Chargers
Anthony Mix WR Washington Redskins
Ben Obomanu WR Seattle Seahawks
Jonathan Palmer OT Oakland Raiders
Mike Pucillo OG Washington Redskins
Jay Ratliff DE Dallas Cowboys
Tony Richardson FB New York Jets
Carlos Rogers DB Washington Redskins
Kendall Simmons OG Pittsburgh Steelers
Takeo Spikes LB San Francisco 49ers
Courtney Taylor WR Seattle Seahawks
Dontarrious Thomas LB San Francisco 49ers
Reggie Torbor LB Miami Dolphins
Cooper Wallace TE San Francisco 49ers
Marcus Washington LB Washington Redskins
<strike>Cadillac Williams RB Tampa Bay Buccaneers</strike>
Travis Williams LB Atlanta Falcons
<strike>Carl Stewart RB Tampa Bay Buccaneers </strike>
Josh Thompson DT St. Louis Rams
Cole Bennett TE Houston Texans
Eric Brock DB Atlanta Falcons

Hmmm... might be time to update the wikipedia site.

Too buzzed and tired to verify the rest, but most are still on active NFL rosters.

[Snoogans]

gawdammit. Alright, the Saluki's can have him.

We've still got:

Willie Anderson OT Baltimore Ravens
Devin Aromashodu WR Washington Redskins
Rob Bironas PK Tennessee Titans
Ronnie Brown RB Miami Dolphins
Jason Campbell QB Washington Redskins
Tim Carter WR Houston Texans
Karlos Dansby LB Arizona Cardinals
Tim Duckworth OG New Orleans Saints
Heath Evans RB New England Patriots
Chris Gray OG Seattle Seahawks
Ben Grubbs OG Baltimore Ravens
Marquies Gunn DE Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Will Herring LB Seattle Seahawks
Kevin Hobbs DB Seattle Seahawks
Roderick Hood DB Arizona Cardinals
David Irons DB Atlanta Falcons
Kenny Irons RB Cincinnati Bengals
Tommy Jackson DT Kansas City Chiefs
<strike>Brandon Jacobs RB New York Giants </strike>
Rudi Johnson RB Detroit Lions
Spencer Johnson DT Buffalo Bills
Stanley McClover DE Carolina Panthers
Jeris McIntyre WR Free Agent
Marcus McNeill OT San Diego Chargers
Anthony Mix WR Washington Redskins
Ben Obomanu WR Seattle Seahawks
Jonathan Palmer OT Oakland Raiders
Mike Pucillo OG Washington Redskins
Jay Ratliff DE Dallas Cowboys
Tony Richardson FB New York Jets
Carlos Rogers DB Washington Redskins
Kendall Simmons OG Pittsburgh Steelers
Takeo Spikes LB San Francisco 49ers
Courtney Taylor WR Seattle Seahawks
Dontarrious Thomas LB San Francisco 49ers
Reggie Torbor LB Miami Dolphins
Cooper Wallace TE San Francisco 49ers
Marcus Washington LB Washington Redskins
<strike>Cadillac Williams RB Tampa Bay Buccaneers</strike>
Travis Williams LB Atlanta Falcons
<strike>Carl Stewart RB Tampa Bay Buccaneers </strike>
Josh Thompson DT St. Louis Rams
Cole Bennett TE Houston Texans
Eric Brock DB Atlanta Falcons

Hmmm... might be time to update the wikipedia site.

Too buzzed and tired to verify the rest, but most are still on active NFL rosters.



yea well we got

Brian Leonard
Ray Rice
Nate Jones
Shaun O Hara
LJ Smith
Pedro Sosa
Raheem Orr

Im sure there is more

[Snoogans]

Deron Cherry, all 80's defensive 1st team. How bout that shit

[Freakshow]

Most AU fans knew Ronnie would be the better NFL runner, and so did most NFL scouts. Chuckie fell in love with Carnell down here at the Senior Bowl when he was coaching the South team, which is the only reason he went when he did in the draft. Ronnie went first, which wasn't a surprise.

Carnell was / is injury prone. Most knew that was his down-side. He still put up over 1,100 yards his rookie year. I wouldn't call him a "bust". He just can't stay healthy.

Curtis Enis had a 1,000 yard rushing season with the Bears, but he got injured and then went insane. Do I get to take him of the bust list, then? I don't think so.

[ozzie]

Curtis Enis had a 1,000 yard rushing season with the Bears, but he got injured and then went insane. Do I get to take him of the bust list, then? I don't think so.

Carnell was the AP Rookie of the Year in 2005. Slight difference there.

Not to mention that the book isn't closed yet on his career.

As of right now, he's listed as "Questionable" on the Bucs injury report... although I doubt he'll ever be the same.

[toolshed]

all of you watched houston v. marshall and nobody mentions the WR's leg snapping in half like Joe Theisman?

[Freakshow]

Carnell was the AP Rookie of the Year in 2005. Slight difference there.

Not to mention that the book isn't closed yet on his career.

As of right now, he's listed as "Questionable" on the Bucs injury report... although I doubt he'll ever be the same.

Yeah, and Vince Young won it in '06. It means he had one good season. Lots of people have one good season.

[ozzie]

Yeah, and Vince Young won it in '06. It means he had one good season. Lots of people have one good season.

Vince's momma has asked that we take it easy on him.


I guess my point is that having your career shortened by injuries shouldn't equal a player as a BUST.

So was Bo Jackson also a bust because his superpowers were more than his mortal hip could withstand?

[Freakshow]

I acutally don't like the word bust, and don't like it being applied to players. But if my favorite backs from college like Ki-Jana and Blair Thomas always make the lists, I don't have any choice to but to highlight other players when they are under similar circumstances...

[Snoogans]

all of you watched houston v. marshall and nobody mentions the WR's leg snapping in half like Joe Theisman?

whenever i see someone's career basically end, i try not to bring it up. I saw it, but it was pretty fucked up, so i didnt really wanna goof on him

[toolshed]

whenever i see someone's career basically end, i try not to bring it up. I saw it, but it was pretty fucked up, so i didnt really wanna goof on him

I wasn't saying goof on him. Just seems like it would have come up, especially when it looked like an ATV parking lot right behind the endzone.

[El Mudo]

EDIT: Never mind

[SP1!]

Nobody gonna comment on all the reporters on ESPN saying they would vote a 1 loss Big 12/SEC team over an undefeated PSU team? Seems most people think that the big 10 is complete shit this year and they can thank michigan and OSU for that.

[Snoogans]

Nobody gonna comment on all the reporters on ESPN saying they would vote a 1 loss Big 12/SEC team over an undefeated PSU team? Seems most people think that the big 10 is complete shit this year and they can thank michigan and OSU for that.

i didnt see much of that cause I dont read alot of hte articles on espn, just the ones from the few good people.

Forde did mention it in the Dash this week though, and I kinda think it's bullshit. If Penn State is undefeated, no way Oklahoma or someone like that should be able to sneak in there. as much as I hate the big 10, you just cant do that. If it ends up Penn State and 1 other team are undefeated, it better be those 2 teams.

[Freakshow]

Nobody gonna comment on all the reporters on ESPN saying they would vote a 1 loss Big 12/SEC team over an undefeated PSU team? Seems most people think that the big 10 is complete shit this year and they can thank michigan and OSU for that.

Michigan beat Florida in the Capital One Bowl last year.

[ozzie]

Michigan beat Florida in the Capital One Bowl last year.

And Tennessee beat Wisconsin in the Outback bowl.

It doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

Personally, just like last year, I'll be rooting for total and complete CHAOS at the end of the year.

I WANT a top team (or teams) to get shut out.

I want them to leap-frog a one loss team over an undefeated team, and I want the team that gets in to get pounded.

I want there to be multiple one loss teams all arguing to be in the game, and an undefeated Utah or Boise to get shut out, and then beat the hell out of whomever they get in a bullshit consolation BCS game.

I want riots on campuses, cars overturned, people picketing the NCAA offices and the bowl sites.

I want letter writing campaigns and people calling their congressman protesting for their right to compete.

I want every major network and newspaper sports section to rip the BCS for all the hypocrisy they are worth.

I want a f'ing PLAYOFF dammit!

I DON'T WANT to have this fucking discussion every year at this time for the rest of my life!

[Freakshow]

I agree it means nothing, but people since people are using bowl games to write off the whole Big Ten, It needs to be pointed out.

[ozzie]

I agree it means nothing, but people since people are using bowl games to write off the whole Big Ten, It needs to be pointed out.

Gotcha. I missed the part where they were blaming Michigan for this. Yeah, they did nothing wrong last year. And Wisconsin drubbed us in 2005 (it was worse that the 24 - 10 score).

And my opinion is that Ohio State losing badly in the last two title games is a reflection of the bullshit BCS system of choosing the two best teams... not a knock on the Big 10.

The problem is not that Ohio State was in the game... the problem is that there are ONLY TWO TEAMS in this wonderful BCS system that GET to play.

If they had lost a first round playoff game to one of the other 8 best teams in the country, no one would have remembered it. But when you've only got two, and the game is a mis-match, it looks bad, and makes people start these ridiculous comparisons between conferences for future games.

[Freakshow]

you're preaching to the choir. Penn State fans have been calling for a playoff for longer than i've been alive--led by JoePa, of course. Something about uncrowned undefeated seasons in 68, 69, and 73 that make you want to actually decide things on the field. And the '94 debacle where Nebraska got the title because voters felt sorry for Tom Osborne because he went for 2 once in the Orange bowl didn't help either...

If a one-loss team jumps PSU in the final poll and plays in the BCS title game, there will be a riot for sure.

Things could have been worse, Penn State wasn't supposed to play Oregon State--they switched things around last december and Arkansas State was switched off and OSU brought in. It did indicate how good Paterno thought this team was going to be. They played in a kickoff classic against Arizona in '99 in order to get a tougher game on that schedule.

[SP1!]

i didnt see much of that cause I dont read alot of hte articles on espn, just the ones from the few good people.

Forde did mention it in the Dash this week though, and I kinda think it's bullshit. If Penn State is undefeated, no way Oklahoma or someone like that should be able to sneak in there. as much as I hate the big 10, you just cant do that. If it ends up Penn State and 1 other team are undefeated, it better be those 2 teams.
Its not just the pollsters that may do this, most projections point to even the computers putting a 1 loss alabama, georgia, or florida above PSU and that whoever wins those two championship games are going to the NC no matter how PSU finishes based on strength of schedule alone.

I agree it means nothing, but people since people are using bowl games to write off the whole Big Ten, It needs to be pointed out.
The bowl games dont mean much but the big 10 doesnt put on much of a show in those games, just sayin'.

[ozzie]

If a one-loss team jumps PSU in the final poll and plays in the BCS title game, there will be a riot for sure.

Well then, I hope you don't think I'm trying to jinx y'all, but with that said, NOW I'm DEFINITELY rooting for:


Bama to lose one (preferably to AU on Nov 29), leaving Texas and Penn State as the only two undefeated teams from BCS conferences...

Boise State, Utah, Georgia, Oklahoma and USC to win out... the voters to jump Georgia into the title game against Texas on virtue of having beaten Florida, and Bama in a SEC champ game re-match.

Penn State to EMBARRASS USC in the Rose Bowl 45 - 16.

Oklahoma to lose AGAIN to and undefeated Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl, and this time in regulation, 35 - 24.

Utah to shock an crumbling two-consecutive-loss Bama team in the Sugar Bowl 38 - 7, and Saban gets boo'ed unmercifully my the drunken SEC fans from Louisiana in attendance.

Texas to DESTROY Georgia in the BCS Title Game 56 - 13.


The day after the title game, I wan't the good people of Pennsylvania, Utah and Idaho to surround the NCAA offices with torches demanding a "Plus One" game between their team and Texas, or else threaten to BURN THE M'ER F'ER DOWN!

[Freakshow]

Its not just the pollsters that may do this, most projections point to even the computers putting a 1 loss alabama, georgia, or florida above PSU and that whoever wins those two championship games are going to the NC no matter how PSU finishes based on strength of schedule alone.


The bowl games dont mean much but the big 10 doesnt put on much of a show in those games, just sayin'.

They say this EVERY year and it never happens. If you actually look at the BCS, the computers favor Georgia, but the pollsters have them down in 8, so in order for a jump to happen Georgia has to has to run the table and everyone else between them and PSU has to lose (and USC has a cake shed and they're higher). The computers hate Florida--one of them has them ranked 21! Oklahoma isn't particularly favored by the computers either, and they likely won't get to play in a conference chamionship game to help boot SOS either. The computers actually like Boise State and Utah a lot, they're both tied for 7th, which puts them above a lot of those 1-loss teams. In order for a jump to happen a massive amount of writers, and coaches will have to really push Penn State down. And, at this point, Penn State is starting to receive first place votes. So you can see how likely that is...

And, some big ten team may have struggled in bowl games, but not PSU. They've won 3 straight and 5 of the last 6. They've beated a favored Tennessee team, ACC champ Florida State, and Texas A&M (in San Antonio) a couple of times.

[SP1!]

Well then, I hope you don't think I'm trying to jinx y'all, but with that said, NOW I'm DEFINITELY rooting for:


Bama to lose one (preferably to AU on Nov 29), leaving Texas and Penn State as the only two undefeated teams from BCS conferences...

Boise State, Utah, Georgia, Oklahoma and USC to win out... the voters to jump Georgia into the title game against Texas on virtue of having beaten Florida, and Bama in a SEC champ game re-match.

Penn State to EMBARRASS USC in the Rose Bowl 45 - 16.

Oklahoma to lose AGAIN to and undefeated Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl, and this time in regulation, 35 - 24.

Utah to shock an crumbling two-consecutive-loss Bama team in the Sugar Bowl 38 - 7, and Saban gets boo'ed unmercifully my the drunken SEC fans from Louisiana in attendance.

Texas to DESTROY Georgia in the BCS Title Game 56 - 13.


The day after the title game, I wan't the good people of Pennsylvania, Utah and Idaho to surround the NCAA offices with torches demanding a "Plus One" game between their team and Texas, or else threaten to BURN THE M'ER F'ER DOWN!
I think you are a little crazy to think texas would score that much against a top tier SEC defense, I would welcome a game against this one dimensional texas team, it would be easy to drop back in coverage and have 4 or 5 knock colt on his ass.

They say this EVERY year and it never happens. If you actually look at the BCS, the computers favor Georgia, but the pollsters have them down in 8, so in order for a jump to happen Georgia has to has to run the table and everyone else between them and PSU has to lose (and USC has a cake shed and they're higher). The computers hate Florida--one of them has them ranked 21! Oklahoma isn't particularly favored by the computers either, and they likely won't get to play in a conference chamionship game to help boot SOS either. The computers actually like Boise State and Utah a lot, they're both tied for 7th, which puts them above a lot of those 1-loss teams. In order for a jump to happen a massive amount of writers, and coaches will have to really push Penn State down. And, at this point, Penn State is starting to receive first place votes. So you can see how likely that is...

And, some big ten team may have struggled in bowl games, but not PSU. They've won 3 straight and 5 of the last 6. They've beated a favored Tennessee team, ACC champ Florida State, and Texas A&M (in San Antonio) a couple of times.
Oh if bama and texas wins out thats your game, now if texas loses one then wins the big 12 championship they would be in against an undefeated bama over an undefeated PSU. If UGA wins then beats bama in a rematch you can bet they wont be 8 in the human polls, more likely they will move up to 3 at least, if they win this weekend they will even most likely move back into the top 5. If florida wins out(god forbid) they will be at least 3 in the human polls and above PSU in the computer polls.

Whats this is being set up for is some very pissed off PSU fans they better hope somehow all the SEC teams lose twice or texas loses twice, if two of these 4 win out then PSU will not be in the NC game.

[JimBeam]

Penn St could go undefeated, get locked out of the BCS title game ( say it stays Texas/Alabama ) and face USC in the Rose Bowl.

With a win there and an unimpressive game by the winner of the BCS game it could give you split championships.

That's based on the writers and everybody being in love w/ Paterno and not wanting to screw him again.

On the other hand they could lose to USC and there goes the undefeated season and any shot at a title.

[ozzie]

Penn St could go undefeated, get locked out of the BCS title game ( say it stays Texas/Alabama ) and face USC in the Rose Bowl.

With a win there and an unimpressive game by the winner of the BCS game it could give you split championships.

That's based on the writers and everybody being in love w/ Paterno and not wanting to screw him again.

That's exactly the scenario I am hoping for.

The Coaches Poll and the Harris Poll are obligated to go along with the BCS bullshit, but now that the AP is not in the equation, they can vote for whomever they want!

I'd love another split championship like 2003.

Hell, I'd suck JoPa's old wrinkled nut sack on the steps of Old Main while humming "Fight On, State" if it meant finally getting a Playoff in Div 1-A football.

[SP1!]

In other news they are replaying UGA/florida from 1980 on espn classic, good stuff

[JimBeam]

I still think Penn St could get upset by Mich St and end the whole discussion.

Secondly I don't think they'd beat USC in the Rose Bowl anyway.

I also don't think a UGA win in the SEC title game against Bama, if they get there, gives them as much of a boost as you'd think.

Being that it was a rematch could take away some of it's luster.

Now say UF goes and beats an undefeated Bama team that might get them out of the hole Ole Miss put them in earlier this year.

[ozzie]

I still think Penn St could get upset by Mich St and end the whole discussion.

Secondly I don't think they'd beat USC in the Rose Bowl anyway.

I also don't think a UGA win in the SEC title game against Bama, if they get there, gives them as much of a boost as you'd think.

Being that it was a rematch could take away some of it's luster.

Now say UF goes and beats an undefeated Bama team that might get them out of the hole Ole Miss put them in earlier this year.

I'm just throwing shit out there. I'm not predicting that we'll get the "PERFECT STORM" of events that would cause the overthrow of the BCS this year... but I can dream, can't I?

Hell, last year I went into the final week of the season rooting for #1 Missouri to lose to Oklahoma, and for Pitt to miraculously upset West Virginia.... BOTH OF WHICH HAPPENED.

I was at a Hooters wearing my Dorsett PITT Panther jersey going nuts, buying pitchers thinking that it had finally happened!

The rest of the top 5 was:

3. Ohio State
4. Georgia
5. Kansas

Neither Georgia or Kansas were eligible to play in their championship, so I thought we'd finally reached the level of CHAOS I was hoping for.

Nope. OSU slides into #1, and they jump LSU from #7 to #2 for what? For beating Tennessee? They'd just lost their last regular season game at home against Arkansas for fucks sake.

And the funny thing is, people accepted this shit as "the BCS getting it right", and there wasn't near the outcry I was hoping for. Well, ok, Mark Richt tried to plead his case, but it didn't go far.

The old men got their way. They fed us a bullshit championship game, LSU won the game, and most people went away satisfied.

Well not me. I wasn't cheering. Have you all got amnesia? They just cheated us! This isn't fair! He didn't get out of the cock-a-dooty caaaar!!!!

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[SP1!]

I still think Penn St could get upset by Mich St and end the whole discussion.

Secondly I don't think they'd beat USC in the Rose Bowl anyway.

I also don't think a UGA win in the SEC title game against Bama, if they get there, gives them as much of a boost as you'd think.

Being that it was a rematch could take away some of it's luster.

Now say UF goes and beats an undefeated Bama team that might get them out of the hole Ole Miss put them in earlier this year.

I think the UGA scenario is more plausible since if both bama and UGA get to the SEC championship game it will most likely be two top 5 teams playing each other with bama being at least 2 or even 1 at that point. Considering UGA's only other loss would have been against the top 1 or 2 team in the nation I dont see how that wouldnt vault them into that game given the quality win quotient.

Or did all of you forget about that? For quality wins the teams get more points in the computer polls, top 10 teams give you even more points so if LSU, florida, and bama all keep winning(florida of course has to lose against UGA this weekend) then you will have 2 wins against top 10 teams and a total of 3 against top 15 barring a total collapse of LSU.

And if south carolina and GT win out the season they would both likely be ranked giving them more quality wins and it is appearing more and more that the only top 10 big 10 team will be PSU and all the others will be ranked below the top 15 severely hurting their chances.

If all that happens then yes, a 1 loss team gets in over an undefeated PSU, its a lot of ifs but there is a very good chance of that happening.

Oh and floridas lone loss would have been against a horrible ole miss team which really hurts them

[Freakshow]

But if Ohio State wins out, they're a solid 5 or 6 in the final poll, so that's a quality win for Penn State. And Michigan State, if they don't lose again except for the PSU matchup, will be a top 15 team (the computers rank them higher than the humans right now anyway).

My point is, USC and Oklahoma are sitting ahead of Georgia and I don't think they will get jumped if Georgia runs the table, especially since Oklahoma won't have a chance to lose in the Big XII title game if Texas stays undefeated.

edit: and I think Georgia is going to lose this weekend anyway. They looked like a mediocre team against a worse South Carolina team.

Actually the team with the inside track to the Rose Bowl (if they win out) is Oregon State with a head-to-head tie breaker because they beat the Trojans. And also, just for you information, Oregon State was asked which was the better team--PSU or USC. The coach and the players said Penn State was the better team.

[Snoogans]

It would be really funny if Penn State ends up the ONLY 12-0 team and still doesnt get into the NC game. I would laugh everyday for the 3 weeks after that game leading up to them finally having a playoff. Cuase that would have to push it over the top, no?

[SP1!]

But if Ohio State wins out, they're a solid 5 or 6 in the final poll, so that's a quality win for Penn State. And Michigan State, if they don't lose again except for the PSU matchup, will be a top 15 team (the computers rank them higher than the humans right now anyway).

My point is, USC and Oklahoma are sitting ahead of Georgia and I don't think they will get jumped if Georgia runs the table, especially since Oklahoma won't have a chance to lose in the Big XII title game if Texas stays undefeated.

edit: and I think Georgia is going to lose this weekend anyway. They looked like a mediocre team against a worse South Carolina team.

Actually the team with the inside track to the Rose Bowl (if they win out) is Oregon State with a head-to-head tie breaker because they beat the Trojans. And also, just for you information, Oregon State was asked which was the better team--PSU or USC. The coach and the players said Penn State was the better team.
I dont think OSU gets back in the top 10 unless a few team lose, there are no more ranked teams on their schedule and michigan may actually beat them because their offense is looking better. USC will get jumped easily since their loss was to a really crappy team and USC will not play anymore ranked teams, let alone two top 10 teams. UGA will jump Oklahoma simply because they will not have two teams from the same division in the NC game and Im pretty sure Ok loses another game before the season is over.

Of course this is all a moot point if UGA doesnt make me happy and win this saturday, then they have to keep it up the last 4 games after that, it is entirely possible. And I wouldnt compare the team now to the south carolina game, they always play them close and with spurrier there they seem to get up a little more simply because he has hated UGA ever since they beat him when he played against us in the 60s.

Like I said its entirely and more likely for UGA to jump everyone since their lone loss would have been against a team they would have to play and beat in the SEC championship game and would be ranked at least number 2 if they win their last games. GO DAWGS!

Lets make this interesting and cause some real bitching.

It would be really funny if Penn State ends up the ONLY 12-0 team and still doesnt get into the NC game. I would laugh everyday for the 3 weeks after that game leading up to them finally having a playoff. Cuase that would have to push it over the top, no?

I am praying that happens, it would severely piss off the big 10 and make other conferences pay attention to the cluster fuck the BCS really is and may even cause FOX to force them to make either a plus 1 or an 8 team playoff. Im not counting on it but that would be a good resolution to fix a shitty system.

[Snoogans]

I am praying that happens, it would severely piss off the big 10 and make other conferences pay attention to the cluster fuck the BCS really is and may even cause FOX to force them to make either a plus 1 or an 8 team playoff. Im not counting on it but that would be a good resolution to fix a shitty system.

Being I like to hear these arguments, and the BCS wont be coming anywhere near fuckin Rutgers any time soon, i dont mind it, but I wouldnt mind a playoff. With a choice, Id prob take the playoff, so if it does happen, I wouldnt mind. But I dont get mad about the way it is now. ill debate if I dont agree but I kinda like having that element too

[Freakshow]

Ohio State only dropped to 12 and a whole mess of teams in front of them play each other (i.e. the Big XII teams). If they win out, they are a top 10 team, end of story. Besides Boise State and Utah are ahead of them, do you really think those teams are better? No chance.

I'll put it this way, if Penn State was the only undefeated team, they wouldn't jump any 1-loss teams over them into the title game. So it's just not going to happen.

[SP1!]

Ohio State only dropped to 12 and a whole mess of teams in front of them play each other (i.e. the Big XII teams). If they win out, they are a top 10 team, end of story. Besides Boise State and Utah are ahead of them, do you really think those teams are better? No chance.

I'll put it this way, if Penn State was the only undefeated team, they wouldn't jump any 1-loss teams over them into the title game. So it's just not going to happen.

In the BCS? No they arent especially if they play some close games the last 3 games in their season, they have proven they are an average team at best and wont get back up because they play no one the final few weeks of the season. Quality wins count now and since they are ranked even lower in the human polls and will drop further if they dont have a few decent wins, like I said they have to have a few top 10 teams lose to unranked teams before they will get back up there.

Even if that does happen there is a very strong chance that a one loss big 12 or SEC team makes it in over an undefeated PSU team, its not just me saying this its almost every analyst that stated LSU would get in that game last year and I thought they were crazy since UGA was 4 spots higher than them. They leaped them up there on the basis of the SEC championship game and that was against an average Tennessee team, not against an unranked and unbeaten alabama team. If PSU is undefeated then say UGA or florida makes it through to the SEC game and beats alabama they are in over PSU at 12-0, if texas loses to TT this weekend then wins the big 12 champ game they get in over PSU. They are the bad recipients of a horrible big 10 conference this year, it wont be the human polls that make this happen it would be the computers who factor huge pluses to quality wins against ranked opponents. The way the big 10 is going there will be maybe 2 ranked teams at the end of the year and they would have no wins against top 5 opponents.

This is all moot if UGA, florida loses again though and Im hoping florida loses this weekend.

[Freakshow]

Yes the BCS. Have you even looked at the actual BCS? Ohio State only dropped to 12. If they keep winning they will move up in the Human Polls. Therefore, if only 2 teams lose ahead of them, they will be back in the top 10.

edit: besides, people are saying they would vote a 1-loss SEC team over PSU to try and get them into the title game, because they know it won't happen on it's own. But i think you would get the flip side where people voted PSU #1 over an undefeated Texas or Alabama (just one, of course) to try and get them in. I bet it cancels itself out in the end...

[SP1!]

Yes the BCS. Have you even looked at the actual BCS? Ohio State only dropped to 12. If they keep winning they will move up in the Human Polls. Therefore, if only 2 teams lose ahead of them, they will be back in the top 10.

edit: besides, people are saying they would vote a 1-loss SEC team over PSU to try and get them into the title game, because they know it won't happen on it's own. But i think you would get the flip side where people voted PSU #1 over an undefeated Texas or Alabama (just one, of course) to try and get them in. I bet it cancels itself out in the end...

Yes I saw where OSU was but unless a few teams lose then PSU is in trouble, the big 10 is shit this year and they have played nobody except an average OSU team. They better hope oregon st wins out cause if they dont PSU wont go, the bcs NC game, even with a loss UGA is really close to PSU in computer rankings.

And not people are not saying that they would vote them over PSU just to get them in the title game they are saying they would do it because of the hard schedule they had to go through while PSU didnt play any that was that good. There is a very good chance that the computer polls put a 1 loss team above an undefeated PSU which doesnt involve any voting at all. It comes back to SOS and unless all the teams on PSU keep winning to move up then PSU strength of schedule goes way down in the computer polls.

I am hoping that happens just to blow the bcs up for one, to get big 10 fans and their leaders pissed, and also to give UGA a chance to get in there.

Like I said, its all a moot point if circumstances do not fall a certain way but if it plays out that way we will have some very pissed off PSU/big 10 people.

1)UGA/UF has to win all the way out(im hoping for UGA of course)
2)teams on PSUs schedule have to lose or not be impressive

If that both happens or a big 12 team(texas) loses one game and alabama remains undefeated then they will get in over 12-0 PSU, its all thanks to the computers and like I stated earlier is the big 10 is really down this year.

[Freakshow]

funny. the 'down' big ten has 4 teams in the top 25--same as the SEC. And in order for your dream scenerio to unfold a lot of teams have to beat up on LSU, so it may only be 3 by the end of the season.

The Big Ten is not the mountain west, like people keep implying. As much as you keep saying otherwise, Ohio State is a top 10 team.

[SP1!]

funny. the 'down' big ten has 4 teams in the top 25--same as the SEC. And in order for your dream scenerio to unfold a lot of teams have to beat up on LSU, so it may only be 3 by the end of the season.

The Big Ten is not the mountain west, like people keep implying. As much as you keep saying otherwise, Ohio State is a top 10 team.

Yes but a majority are down in the lower half of the polls and OSU will be out of the polls by the end of the season, they were as over rated as Clemson and auburn was, and Mich st looks to be good for the next few years but are young same as Minnesota. We will see how it plays out but it doesnt look good for PSU and big 10 fans.

The biggest difference is that the SEC had as many as 4 different teams that had sights on number 1, and the only team left to play LSU is alabama that involves my scenario. Now, I know a lot has to happen for what UGA to get back into the mix but it could happen, especially if they win this saturday. I make no excuses for showing my bias towards my team but Im not an SEC homer, I dont care if any other team wins but the way its set up in the BCS we need quality wins to make it to the NC game.

I still want to see a 1 loss team jump PSU and get in the NC game, maybe then the big 10 will wake up and accept a playoff like the ACC and SEC has tried to push, they just want a playoff that is going to benefit them and their TV network. They are just pissed because that shit network is losing millions every year.

I want that scenario to happen to blow the BCS up, is the system a little better? Yes. Is the system fixed? Hell no. A playoff would be the best thing to happen to college football and would vault it past the NFL in ratings.

[Fezticle98]

What game is everyone looking most forward to on Saturday?

Outside of FSU - GA Tech, which I care about because I'm an FSU grad, it's Florida - Georgia > Texas - Texas Tech.

I think both games should be highly entertaining, but the bad blood between the Gators and Dawgs from last year just enhances the rivalry. It's become a contest again after UF dominated for so long.

Plus there is a feeling that TT is likely to fall on their face as they always do when the opposition gets real tough.

[Freakshow]

Yes but a majority are down in the lower half of the polls and OSU will be out of the polls by the end of the season, they were as over rated as Clemson and auburn was, and Mich st looks to be good for the next few years but are young same as Minnesota. We will see how it plays out but it doesnt look good for PSU and big 10 fans.

The biggest difference is that the SEC had as many as 4 different teams that had sights on number 1, and the only team left to play LSU is alabama that involves my scenario. Now, I know a lot has to happen for what UGA to get back into the mix but it could happen, especially if they win this saturday. I make no excuses for showing my bias towards my team but Im not an SEC homer, I dont care if any other team wins but the way its set up in the BCS we need quality wins to make it to the NC game.

I still want to see a 1 loss team jump PSU and get in the NC game, maybe then the big 10 will wake up and accept a playoff like the ACC and SEC has tried to push, they just want a playoff that is going to benefit them and their TV network. They are just pissed because that shit network is losing millions every year.

I want that scenario to happen to blow the BCS up, is the system a little better? Yes. Is the system fixed? Hell no. A playoff would be the best thing to happen to college football and would vault it past the NFL in ratings.

It's clear you don't watch a second of college football, just read scores in the paper or something. Ohio State will be a legit title contender next year. They just recruited the number one QB and number one overall prospect last year, and he's already starting over a senior QB who got them into 2 title games! He's got a running style reminicient of Mike Vick and he can throw the ball a little bit, too. Ohio State will be very, very good until he decides to go to the pros.

[Snoogans]

It's clear you don't watch a second of college football, just read scores in the paper or something. Ohio State will be a legit title contender next year. They just recruited the number one QB and number one overall prospect last year, and he's already starting over a senior QB who got them into 2 title games! He's got a running style reminicient of Mike Vick and he can throw the ball a little bit, too. Ohio State will be very, very good until he decides to go to the pros.

how is he with dogs?

[SP1!]

What game is everyone looking most forward to on Saturday?

Outside of FSU - GA Tech, which I care about because I'm an FSU grad, it's Florida - Georgia > Texas - Texas Tech.

I think both games should be highly entertaining, but the bad blood between the Gators and Dawgs from last year just enhances the rivalry. It's become a contest again after UF dominated for so long.

Plus there is a feeling that TT is likely to fall on their face as they always do when the opposition gets real tough.I just hope UGA kills florida, they already have the excuses ready saying that tebows leg is hurt so all the florida fans will say its not a real win.

It's clear you don't watch a second of college football, just read scores in the paper or something. Ohio State will be a legit title contender next year. They just recruited the number one QB and number one overall prospect last year, and he's already starting over a senior QB who got them into 2 title games! He's got a running style reminicient of Mike Vick and he can throw the ball a little bit, too. Ohio State will be very, very good until he decides to go to the pros.
Problem is they have very little blocking and no receivers that can get open for him, so right now pryor is not looking that great. The team was severely over rated and most likely wont be ranked very high once they lose a couple more games.

[SP1!]

There goes my fucking argument god damn mistakes have killed us today from the fucking start.

[Freakshow]

ohio state would beat that team by 30.

[razorboy]

Oh please God let the fucking Longhorns lose this game.

[Snoogans]

Oh please God let the fucking Longhorns lose this game.

for your preference and my money, I agree. Texas tech +140 bitch. Fuck the points, i took the line

[SP1!]

ohio state would beat that team by 30.

Beat who? Georgia? If you think that you are fucking crazy, OSU is not nearly as good as you think they are and they havent proven it even after USC handed their asses to them.

[Epschtein]

i worked all night and morning so i was pissed i was going to miss the florida v georgia game because i just had to sleep, looks like i didnt miss much hehe.

im glad texas is coming back and making it a game but im definitely rooting for tech!

[Tenbatsuzen]

don't look now but YOUR west virginia mountaineers are 7-2.

[JimBeam]

Texas Tech is gonna find a way to lose this fuckin' game.

And screw Crabtree.

What kinda NFL bound WR carries the ball like that when they're running in traffic.

[Snoogans]

FUCKIN BUMS

you better get it back down and get a fuckin FG you fuckin BUMS

[JimBeam]

If Texas Tech loses this game all it'll be is " Oh Colt McCoy is the greatest " and not what it really is in that Texas Tech is a gimmick.

But they are making this interesting.

[JimBeam]

Awesome .... but they're still a gimmick.

[Epschtein]

oh snap!

great game.

[JimBeam]

You can tell what a lack of experience these Texas Tech moron fans have in celebrating.

Rushing the field twice before the game was actually over.

Now they'll do it a 3rd time.

[SP1!]

Holy shit did you see this Texas/Tech ending, mother fucker!

[JimBeam]

That would've been crazy if Crabtree in his effort to get in the endzone had fallen short of the goal line and the time ran out w/o a chance for the FG.

[SP1!]

FUCKIN BUMS

you better get it back down and get a fuckin FG you fuckin BUMS

Snoogans you rube!!!! LOL

Oh has anyone else ever heard of this streaming channel on the web?

http://www.justin.tv

Its been great for watching games I dont get locally.

[Snoogans]

why am i a rube?

[SP1!]

why am i a rube?

Just messing with you calling them out then they went down and scored the TD

[cougarjake13]

Holy shit did you see this Texas/Tech ending, mother fucker!

loved every second of it !!!


i wonder how thats gonna change the rankings


so bama, texas tech and penn state are undefeated, anyone else ??

[Freakshow]

boise, utah, ball st...

[SP1!]

loved every second of it !!!


i wonder how thats gonna change the rankings


so bama, texas tech and penn state are undefeated, anyone else ??

The other undefeated dont matter but I could foresee texas tech jumping PSU later today when they are released. They beat the number one team which will give them a huge boost in the computer rankings and maybe enough to get them above PSU.

God I dont want to see PSU win out since bama would kill them then I would have to hear it from bama fans for they next few years.

[Snoogans]

Just messing with you calling them out then they went down and scored the TD

goddamn right they did, cause Texas Tech respects my wallet

[Snoogans]

ill guess

1 Bama
2- Penn State
3 Tech
4 Oklahoma
5 USC

[SP1!]

ill guess

1 Bama
2- Penn State
3 Tech
4 Oklahoma
5 USC

I would put TT and PSU in a tie, we have to wait to see what the computer polls have to say later

[Snoogans]

Penn State had a bye this week right?


if so that wont help

[SP1!]

Penn State had a bye this week right?


if so that wont help

Yeah and most of the big 10 either lost or had close games to crap teams

[Tenbatsuzen]

WVU's remaining schedule:

Cincy
at Ville
Backyard Brawl at Pitt
USF

With how weird the Big East is, I don't know what to make of that schedule.

[SP1!]

WVU's remaining schedule:

Cincy
at Ville
Backyard Brawl at Pitt
USF

With how weird the Big East is, I don't know what to make of that schedule.

The big east is a non factor this year

[disneyspy]

my wolverines looked good on offense finally
i take my prediction back,they'll be good next year
if they recruit a whole new defense,perdue? wtf

[razorboy]

my wolverines looked good on offense finally
i take my prediction back,they'll be good next year
if they recruit a whole new defense,perdue? wtf

You really cherry pick crappy teams, huh?

[disneyspy]

You really cherry pick crappy teams, huh?

well i do live in the area where 90% of the cherries in the US come from

[cougarjake13]

hmmmmmm cherry pie

[JimBeam]

I think Texas Tech being at the top of the Big 12 will be short lived.

I think Oklahoma can be just as potent as them on offense but with a much better defense.

[ozzie]

Coaches Poll is out. Harris and BCS will be out later today.

1. Alabama (40) 9-0
2. Penn State (14) 9-0
3. Texas Tech (6) 9-0
4. Oklahoma (1) 8-1
5. Florida 7-1
6. USC 7-1
7. Texas 8-1
8. Oklahoma State 8-1
9. Utah 9-0
10. Boise State 8-0

And while it doesn't factor into the BullshitCS, here's your new AP poll:

1. Alabama (46) 9-0
2. Texas Tech (12) 9-0
3. Penn State (6) 9-0
4. Florida (1) 7-1
5. Texas 8-1
6. Oklahoma 8-1
7. USC 7-1
8. Oklahoma State 8-1
9. Boise State 8-0
10. Utah 9-0

That's right. Oklahoma DROPS two spots in the AP after destroying Nebraska, and Penn State gets jumped after beating Ohio State.

Yeah, this BCS poll system works fucking great.

Anyone who says that there is a CLEAR and Undisputed #1 and #2 team among the top 10 is full of shit. And it's not going to be ANY more clear at the end of the regular season, no matter what happens.

Tech has Ok State next, then goes to Norman. Texas only has one conference loss now, same as Oklahoma. If Oklahoma beats Tech, then we've got a three way tie in the Big 12 South.

I'm sure the BCS is rooting for Ok State to knock off either Oklahoma or Tech to clear this up before their championship game... but of course, I'm hoping they all end up TIED, and they go to some bullshit tie-breaker coin flip shit.

[Snoogans]

Coaches Poll is out. Harris and BCS will be out later today.

1. Alabama (40) 9-0
2. Penn State (14) 9-0
3. Texas Tech (6) 9-0
4. Oklahoma (1) 8-1
5. Florida 7-1
6. USC 7-1
7. Texas 8-1
8. Oklahoma State 8-1
9. Utah 9-0
10. Boise State 8-0

And while it doesn't factor into the BullshitCS, here's your new AP poll:

1. Alabama (46) 9-0
2. Texas Tech (12) 9-0
3. Penn State (6) 9-0
4. Florida (1) 7-1
5. Texas 8-1
6. Oklahoma 8-1
7. USC 7-1
8. Oklahoma State 8-1
9. Boise State 8-0
10. Utah 9-0

That's right. Oklahoma DROPS two spots in the AP after destroying Nebraska, and Penn State gets jumped after beating Ohio State.

Yeah, this BCS poll system works fucking great.

Anyone who says that there is a CLEAR and Undisputed #1 and #2 team among the top 10 is full of shit. And it's not going to be ANY more clear at the end of the regular season, no matter what happens.

Tech has Ok State next, then goes to Norman. Texas only has one conference loss now, same as Oklahoma. If Oklahoma beats Tech, then we've got a three way tie in the Big 12 South.

I'm sure the BCS is rooting for Ok State to knock off either Oklahoma or Tech to clear this up before their championship game... but of course, I'm hoping they all end up TIED, and they go to some bullshit tie-breaker coin flip shit.


Rutgers musta just missed

[Tenbatsuzen]

The big east is a non factor this year

I don't have any delusions of a national championship, I'm just wanting to see who gets the BCS bid, and what game they will play.

[SP1!]

BCS POLL
1. Alabama; 0.974
2. Texas Tech; 0.937
3. Penn State; 0.928
4. Texas; 0.853
5. Florida; 0.826
6. Oklahoma; 0.822
7. Southern Cal; 0.755
8. Utah; 0.697
9. Oklahoma State; 0.666
10. Boise State; 0.652
11. Ohio State; 0.555
12. Texas Christian; 0.5444
13. Georgia; 0.536
14. Missouri; 0.492
15. Brigham Young; 0.373
16. LSU; 0.371
17. Ball State; 0.356
18. Michigan State; 0.336
19. North Carolina; 0.263
20. Georgia Tech; 0.188
21. California; 0.112
22. Florida State; 0.087
23. Maryland; 0.082
24. Northwestern; 0.081
25. West Virginia; 0.080

Let the big 10 screaming commence, I told you they would jump them based mainly on strength of schedule just like a 1 loss team has a good shot at doing at the end of the year since they play a bad schedule this year.

[SP1!]

I don't have any delusions of a national championship, I'm just wanting to see who gets the BCS bid, and what game they will play.

Yeah this is the main problem I have with automatic bids for BCS games, they should put a clause in there that if their champion or at least one team from the conference isnt ranked in the top 15 for the last BCS poll they dont get to go. The only reason the big east was even in the automatic bids was because Miami and BC were in there.

[Snoogans]

BCS POLL
1. Alabama; 0.974
2. Texas Tech; 0.937
3. Penn State; 0.928
4. Texas; 0.853
5. Florida; 0.826
6. Oklahoma; 0.822
7. Southern Cal; 0.755
8. Utah; 0.697
9. Oklahoma State; 0.666
10. Boise State; 0.652
11. Ohio State; 0.555
12. Texas Christian; 0.5444
13. Georgia; 0.536
14. Missouri; 0.492
15. Brigham Young; 0.373
16. LSU; 0.371
17. Ball State; 0.356
18. Michigan State; 0.336
19. North Carolina; 0.263
20. Georgia Tech; 0.188
21. California; 0.112
22. Florida State; 0.087
23. Maryland; 0.082
24. Northwestern; 0.081
25. West Virginia; 0.080

Let the big 10 screaming commence, I told you they would jump them based mainly on strength of schedule just like a 1 loss team has a good shot at doing at the end of the year since they play a bad schedule this year.

this should make penn state happy, though, since we all know Tech is gonna lose a game

[PhilDeez]

this should make penn state happy, though, since we all know Tech is gonna lose a game

More than likely with Ok.St. this week and Oklahoma and then the Big 12 title game down the road. Same with Bama, still face LSU and Florida in the SEC title game. Doesn't look like either will do it. Penn St. in my opinion should hope for Bama to run the table, that would be their best shot to win it all. I just don't see them holding up against these high powered offenses like Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Florida, or USC.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Yeah this is the main problem I have with automatic bids for BCS games, they should put a clause in there that if their champion or at least one team from the conference isnt ranked in the top 15 for the last BCS poll they dont get to go. The only reason the big east was even in the automatic bids was because Miami and BC were in there.

Yes, because everything in college football is so rational.

WVU is #25 right now, and if they get the three more wins they'll need to lock up the berth, they'll be in your precious 15th ranked.

Are you under some mistaken notion that undeserving teams have gotten automatic bowl bids in the last few years from the Big East?

[SP1!]

this should make penn state happy, though, since we all know Tech is gonna lose a game
If they play like they did last night they wont lose at all and Im not sure PSU will make it through unscathed either.

Yes, because everything in college football is so rational.

WVU is #25 right now, and if they get the three more wins they'll need to lock up the berth, they'll be in your precious 15th ranked.

Are you under some mistaken notion that undeserving teams have gotten automatic bowl bids in the last few years from the Big East?
I knew it would happen sooner or later that a BCS conference would be in this situation where none of the teams really deserved to be there, do you really think they deserve it? Not the way the rules are but do you think they really deserve to be in a bowl that pays out that much money? I know you love your team but they arent really that good and if they play anyone besides one of the patsy teams they will get killed. Im not trying to bash just the big east but this whole guaranteed champions get in is bullshit.

[Freakshow]

Texas Tech was playing a night game at home versus a in-state rival who was playing their 4th top 12 ranked team in a row. As long as they can keep that up, I don't see them losing...

And Penn State not being able to play with those 'high powered offesnes?' I remember another little game where Penn State wasn't supposed to be able to hang...

http://www.nittanyanthology.com/zLegends_1987Fiesta.jpg

[ozzie]

Yes, because everything in college football is so rational.

WVU is #25 right now, and if they get the three more wins they'll need to lock up the berth, they'll be in your precious 15th ranked.

Are you under some mistaken notion that undeserving teams have gotten automatic bowl bids in the last few years from the Big East?

The 8-3 un-ranked Pitt team that went to the Fiesta Bowl in 2004 and got drubbed by Urban Meyer's Utah team 35-7 shouldn't have been there, but I've got no complaints with the Big East champ being in a BCS game since then.

In either a playoff or this BCS bowl crap, you still have to honor conference champs, regardless of record. You never know when you'll have parity among a very strong conference which might keep their champ out of the top 15.

As the basketball tournament proves every year, it's the team that is playing best in March that has the best shot... and they're sometimes the team that struggled early or had to win their conference tournament to get in the dance, but got it together at the right time.

Again, if Pitt had been knocked out in the first round of a playoff by an undefeated cinderella Utah team, who had gone on to make a lot of noise in the semi-finals or finals, no one would remember who they beat in the first round.

[toolshed]

Florida plays (and destroys) Penn St. for the NC.

[SP1!]

Texas Tech was playing a night game at home versus a in-state rival who was playing their 4th top 12 ranked team in a row. As long as they can keep that up, I don't see them losing...

And Penn State not being able to play with those 'high powered offesnes?' I remember another little game where Penn State wasn't supposed to be able to hang...


Have you watched them play this year? You better hope they dont go against bama or TT, they will get beaten so bad it will be a mercy killing. This PSU team has average LBs and does not have the speed or lines to keep up with either team, it will be another in the line of big 10 champions getting killed in BCS title games.

[Freakshow]

the speed thing is complete BS. Penn State didn't have the 'southern speed' of Tennessee two years in the Outback bowl, and they came out of that game on top.

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This beats speed every time...

[SP1!]

Florida plays (and destroys) Penn St. for the NC.

Im pretty sure bama wont lose again, they will beat florida in the NC game simply because bama is a better team. I saw both teams play and bama is just better, against florida the mistakes UGA made were just stupid, and got them in a hole the mistakes against bama were forced by the team.

I dont care if either of them make it to the NC game Im hoping TT and PSU make it now since I hate both those remaining teams.

[SP1!]

the speed thing is complete BS. Penn State didn't have the 'southern speed' of Tennessee two years in the Outback bowl, and they came out of that game on top.

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This beats speed every time...

LOL you dont even remotely understand SEC at all, tennessee has never been about speed, it was about running the ball down your throat, florida, LSU, and arkansas were the speed teams. If PSU plays florida and bama they will get crushed but that wont give me any joy I hate both those fucking teams, that night I will be cheering for PSU to kill them.

[toolshed]

[QUOTE=SP1!;1936122]Im pretty sure bama wont lose again, they will beat florida in the NC game simply because bama is a better team. I saw both teams play and bama is just better, against florida the mistakes UGA made were just stupid, and got them in a hole the mistakes against bama were forced by the team.
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i watched them both too. as a florida state fan, i want nothing more than for florida to blow it before the big one, perhaps on 11/29 in doak cambell stadium. but i just have a feeling that the pressure of bama sitting atop the polls is gonna get to them and they are gonna make a mistake. and while i think TT is a great team, i think they shot their wad against texas and they slip against OK.

that said, i think bama/tt would be a great NC game.

[Freakshow]

but that specific bowl game, all you heard was Tenneessee has more speed. When you cheer for a northern team that's all you ever hear--southern speed, southern speed, southern speed. It's a myth.

Penn State has it's best O-Line in '94. There are probably 4 NFL players on that line, including a Left Tackle that might be better than Levi Brown (who went in the top 5 in the draft, remember?), a center that is on the short list for Rimmington Award, and a true sophmore by the name of Stephan Wisnewski, you might recognize that name--his uncle is Steve Wisniewski--8 time pro-bowler and the 'dirtiest player in the nfl' a bunch of times.

The D-Line is always solid, just ask Wisconsin, Illinois, or Terrelle Pryor...

[SP1!]

but that specific bowl game, all you heard was Tenneessee has more speed. When you cheer for a northern team that's all you ever hear--southern speed, southern speed, southern speed. It's a myth.

Penn State has it's best O-Line in '94. There are probably 4 NFL players on that line, including a Left Tackle that might be better than Levi Brown (who went in the top 5 in the draft, remember?), a center that is on the short list for Rimmington Award, and a true sophmore by the name of Stephan Wisnewski, you might recognize that name--his uncle is Steve Wisniewski--8 time pro-bowler and the 'dirtiest player in the nfl' a bunch of times.

The D-Line is always solid, just ask Wisconsin, Illinois, or Terrelle Pryor...

The people calling the game said that UT had speed but they didnt and havent since tee martin was there, you know a lot about big 10 but nothing about the SEC. Dont bring up pryor he is going to be a bust, he looks terrible in his reads.

I still think that PSU only wins if somehow OU or USC gets up there.

[El Mudo]

BCS POLL
1. Alabama; 0.974
2. Texas Tech; 0.937
3. Penn State; 0.928
4. Texas; 0.853
5. Florida; 0.826
6. Oklahoma; 0.822
7. Southern Cal; 0.755
8. Utah; 0.697
9. Oklahoma State; 0.666
10. Boise State; 0.652
11. Ohio State; 0.555
12. Texas Christian; 0.5444
13. Georgia; 0.536
14. Missouri; 0.492
15. Brigham Young; 0.373
16. LSU; 0.371
17. Ball State; 0.356
18. Michigan State; 0.336
19. North Carolina; 0.263
20. Georgia Tech; 0.188
21. California; 0.112
22. Florida State; 0.087
23. Maryland; 0.082
24. Northwestern; 0.081
25. West Virginia; 0.080

Let the big 10 screaming commence, I told you they would jump them based mainly on strength of schedule just like a 1 loss team has a good shot at doing at the end of the year since they play a bad schedule this year.


Whee!!!! :bye:

[ozzie]

Whee!!!! :bye:

Good to see you back in this thread Mudo! And congrats to yer Terps on being in the driver's seat in the ACC Atlantic.

Four tough games still to go. Good luck!

[Freakshow]

The people calling the game said that UT had speed but they didnt and havent since tee martin was there, you know a lot about big 10 but nothing about the SEC. Dont bring up pryor he is going to be a bust, he looks terrible in his reads.

I still think that PSU only wins if somehow OU or USC gets up there.

it wasn't the people calling the game. It was an overall consensus of analysist before the game. Penn State actually finished lower in the Big Ten that year, but we're playing a couple of bowls higher because they travel so well so Tennessee was pretty universally favored in the game.

And to refresh your memory, Tennessee had Robert Meachem that year, who was an all-american, broke the school record in receiving yards and left for the NFL draft to be taken by the Saints in the first round. But, you know, they were just run run run that year...

[El Mudo]

Good to see you back in this thread Mudo! And congrats to yer Terps on being in the driver's seat in the ACC Atlantic.

Four tough games still to go. Good luck!

I'm takin' em one at a time...I think we have a GREAT shot to avenge the Joel Statham Memorial Game thursday against Tech, and all the other games are very winnable

[toolshed]

I'm takin' em one at a time...I think we have a GREAT shot to avenge the Joel Statham Memorial Game thursday against Tech, and all the other games are very winnable

You guys may win three of the last four, but you are gonna lose to FSU. Wake will lose two more. GT-FSU rematch for ACC champion.

at least that is my wishful thinking. :thumbup:

[SP1!]

it wasn't the people calling the game. It was an overall consensus of analysist before the game. Penn State actually finished lower in the Big Ten that year, but we're playing a couple of bowls higher because they travel so well so Tennessee was pretty universally favored in the game.

And to refresh your memory, Tennessee had Robert Meachem that year, who was an all-american, broke the school record in receiving yards and left for the NFL draft to be taken by the Saints in the first round. But, you know, they were just run run run that year...
You have no clue what you are talking about as usual, UT has been horrible for a few years which is evidenced by fulmers firing, I hope a real team plays PSU if they make it to the NC game so they can get their asses handed to them.

[Freakshow]

You have no clue what you are talking about as usual, UT has been horrible for a few years which is evidenced by fulmers firing, I hope a real team plays PSU if they make it to the NC game so they can get their asses handed to them.

Tennessee played in the SEC championship game last year. Do you want to keep calling me stupid, or actually try to back up your argument with actual facts?

[PhilDeez]

I'm takin' em one at a time...I think we have a GREAT shot to avenge the Joel Statham Memorial Game thursday against Tech, and all the other games are very winnable

Unfortunately, I agree. Tech's top 2 QBs will be out, or at best just back from pretty significant injuries. Va Tech needs the ST/D to come up huge for any shot; even with the top 2 QBs the O is horrific.

[ozzie]

You have no clue what you are talking about as usual, UT has been horrible for a few years which is evidenced by fulmers firing, I hope a real team plays PSU if they make it to the NC game so they can get their asses handed to them.

2005 was the only year that Tennessee had a losing record, or didn't go to a bowl game under Fulmer... and that team simply gave up on him halfway through the season.

They've won or tied for the SEC East title 4 times since 2001, as recently as last year.

[SP1!]

Tennessee played in the SEC championship game last year. Do you want to keep calling me stupid, or actually try to back up your argument with actual facts?

And luck had a lot to do with that, jesus you are really a big 10 homer, even LSU fans know they would rather have gotten them than UGA or UF since both of those teams would have killed them at the end of last year. College football is about luck sometimes as well.

Tennessee sucks and have sucked for a few years, he didnt get fired cause they just started sucking this year, if they fired coaches for that joepa would have been fired years ago.

[SP1!]

2005 was the only year that Tennessee had a losing record, or didn't go to a bowl game under Fulmer... and that team simply gave up on him halfway through the season.

They've won or tied for the SEC East title 4 times since 2001, as recently as last year.

You and I both know that UT has not been very good from a coaching standpoint for quite a few years now and have only gotten by because they have had good players.

They didnt decide to fire him just because he had one bad year, this has been a long time coming and most likely tuberville is next, his only saving grace is that he hired then fired an O-coordinator this year. He should get fired cause he hired him just to cover his ass in case his team sucked this year and they did.

[razorboy]

The latest rumor is Gruden going to UT. Please, sweet baby Jesus, take that intolerable hump away from my Buccaneers.

[Freakshow]

And luck had a lot to do with that, jesus you are really a big 10 homer, even LSU fans know they would rather have gotten them than UGA or UF since both of those teams would have killed them at the end of last year. College football is about luck sometimes as well.

Tennessee sucks and have sucked for a few years, he didnt get fired cause they just started sucking this year, if they fired coaches for that joepa would have been fired years ago.

The same Florida team that lost to crappy Michigan in their bowl game? Doesn't seem likely they would have beaten LSU, who won the MNC.

And for the record the Penn State president went to JoePa's house in 2004 to ask him to resign, much like must have happened to Fuller. The President left the house and Paterno had a contract extension. That's how awesome Paterno is.

[toolshed]

The latest rumor is Gruden going to UT. Please, sweet baby Jesus, take that intolerable hump away from my Buccaneers.

Grudin goes to UT, Pete Caroll goes to Tampa Bay, USC falls off into the ocean, everyone is happy.

[JimBeam]

Interesting article about USC and the PAC10 :

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-uscrecruits110408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[SP1!]

The same Florida team that lost to crappy Michigan in their bowl game? Doesn't seem likely they would have beaten LSU, who won the MNC.

And for the record the Penn State president went to JoePa's house in 2004 to ask him to resign, much like must have happened to Fuller. The President left the house and Paterno had a contract extension. That's how awesome Paterno is.
That florida team was crying cause they thought they should have been in a better game, it was stupid that florida even lost that game but I cant say I was unhappy since I hope they always lose.

Interesting article about USC and the PAC10 :

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-uscrecruits110408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Yeah I have heard that before USC gets all the glitz and the best recruits that would start elsewhere go to USC and sit on their bench for 2+ years, its crazy. I would rather go to another school, start sooner and be a star there then get drafted.

[JimBeam]

I've gotta say I'm getting tired of people saying that Penn State should get into the BCS title game, even if Alabama and Texas Tech are both still undefeated, because college football " owes " it to Paterno.

That's ridiculous.

You want to win a national title ?

Don't play Coastal Carolina, Syracuse and Temple.

It's that simple.

Schools should've learned that from what happened to Auburn a few years ago.

Kudos for playing Oregon St but that doesn't make up for Temple.

[Freakshow]

Texas Tech played Umass. Should they be disallowed as well?

Alambama just played Arkansas St--the team Penn State dumped to play Oregon State. Is that so much better than a Temple?



(and for the record i've never said Penn State should play over one of the teams. i'm saying undefeated Penn State should play over a 1-loss SEC or Big XII team).

[JimBeam]

I wasn't directing the comment to you. I was talking about sports writers and analysts.

I'm not trying to use conference schedules, because the teams have no say on how bad the other schools are, and they have no choice but to play them.

Texas Tech's non-conference schedule is equally as bad ( Eastern Washington, Nevada, SMU and UMass ) and Alabama's isn't exactly a gauntlet by any means ( Tulane, Western KY and Ark St ) with the exception of a Clemson team that was ranked in the Top 10.

What it comes down to at this point is Texas Tech and Alabama both have played, or will have played, several teams ranked in the top 15.

And that carries more weight than a win against Oh St.

[ozzie]

Texas Tech played Umass. Should they be disallowed as well?

Alambama just played Arkansas St--the team Penn State dumped to play Oregon State. Is that so much better than a Temple?

What the hell, it's lunchtime, I'm bored, so I'll do my own computer rankings of their non-conference schedules, based on the CBSsportsline120 (http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/polls/120/index2), and assigning rankings to the Div1-AA Opponents:

Penn State
140 Coastal Carolina (4-5)
30 Oregon State
106 Syracuse
89 Temple
365 Total - 91.25 Average

Alabama
50 Clemson
110 Tulane
120 Western Kentucky
95 Arkansas State
375 Total - 93.75 Average

Texas Tech
150 Eastern Washington (3-5)
68 Nevada
117 SMU
130 U-Mass (6-3)
465 Total - 116.25 Average

Based on this, Penn State played the toughest non-conference schedule.

[Freakshow]

I wasn't directing the comment to you. I was talking about sports writers and analysts.

I'm not trying to use conference schedules, because the teams have no say on how bad the other schools are, and they have no choice but to play them.

Texas Tech's non-conference schedule is equally as bad ( Eastern Washington, Nevada, SMU and UMass ) and Alabama's isn't exactly a gauntlet by any means ( Tulane, Western KY and Ark St ) with the exception of a Clemson team that was ranked in the Top 10.

What it comes down to at this point is Texas Tech and Alabama both have played, or will have played, several teams ranked in the top 15.

And that carries more weight than a win against Oh St.

But at this point they haven't.

And why was Texas Tech ranked 7 or 8 or whatever before they beat Texas at home? If Texas Tech is ranked ahead of PSU before they beat Texas, no one can make a peep.

[JimBeam]

But at this point they haven't.

I'm guessing by that you mean Texas Tech hasn't played the toughest yet because Alabama beat UGA and LSU and both of those are arguably better than Oh St.

At the very least Texas Tech beat an undefeated #1 team and Penn St beat an Oh St team that was blown out by USC.

I'm not saying that at this point Texas Tech should've leap frogged Penn St just like I didn't think that Texas should've jumped Alabama after beating Oklahoma.

If, and it's a huge if with both Alabama and Texas Tech having a few tough games left, it ends this way then I think that Alabama and Texas Tech would be the 2 best teams to " play " in the BCS game.

I note " play " because I'm not sure that either is or would be the best team in the country.

They'd be the best team w/o a loss.

[ozzie]

I'm guessing by that you mean Texas Tech hasn't played the toughest yet because Alabama beat UGA and LSU and both of those are arguably better than Oh St.

At the very least Texas Tech beat an undefeated #1 team and Penn St beat an Oh St team that was blown out by USC.

I'm not saying that at this point Texas Tech should've leap frogged Penn St just like I didn't think that Texas should've jumped Alabama after beating Oklahoma.

If, and it's a huge if with both Alabama and Texas Tech having a few tough games left, it ends this way then I think that Alabama and Texas Tech would be the 2 best teams to " play " in the BCS game.

I note " play " because I'm not sure that either is or would be the best team in the country.

They'd be the best team w/o a loss.

Umm... Bama plays LSU THIS coming Saturday. They haven't won anything yet.

(But if you know something I don't, let me know so I can lay down some bets)

So far, the only teams Bama beat that were ranked at the time were Clemson, who is now around #50, and Georgia, who is now around #14, depending upon the poll, which is where LSU is currently.

I don't buy this crap about "they were ranked #9 when we played them". I hear it from Bama fans all the time. We all know pre-season rankings are shit, and Clemson was overrated.

If Georgia had beaten Florida, then Bama's win over them might carry more weight, but the fact is that it's now less meaningful after the beat down by the Gaytors last week.

[Freakshow]

Alabama beat LSU? I didn't think they had played yet.


LSU gave up 50 points to both Florida and Georgia, so you have to wonder about that team. Georgia might be a 15-20 ranked team by the end of the season, if you are basing a 'quality win' based on them being ranked #1 at one point in this season, then Ohio State was ranked #2 at one point this season.

[SP1!]

Texas Tech played Umass. Should they be disallowed as well?

Alambama just played Arkansas St--the team Penn State dumped to play Oregon State. Is that so much better than a Temple?



(and for the record i've never said Penn State should play over one of the teams. i'm saying undefeated Penn State should play over a 1-loss SEC or Big XII team).

Yeah I can almost agree with you but their in conference schedules are a lot tougher this year, will the big 10 finish with anyone besides PSU in the top 15? They may not once OSU loses to michigan.

What I am saying is this year the big 10 is way down, its a bad year to have a down conference with all the other teams rotating at the top.

I still dont give PSU a decent shot at either one of the teams at the top right now.

[SP1!]

Alabama beat LSU? I didn't think they had played yet.


LSU gave up 50 points to both Florida and Georgia, so you have to wonder about that team. Georgia might be a 15-20 ranked team by the end of the season, if you are basing a 'quality win' based on them being ranked #1 at one point in this season, then Ohio State was ranked #2 at one point this season.

This weekend, so we will see, also UGA will end up in the top 10 at the end of the season barring any more defensive lapses, at least ahead of OSU.

Also their line is getting everyone back next year and moreno so I think they will be better and most likely actually as good as everyone expected them to be this year. If it wasnt for mistakes we could have been undefeated but that doesnt really matter at this point.

[JimBeam]

My bad on the Bama over LSU thing ( I started merging UF's schedule in my head ).

While I agree you can't give too much credit to a preseason ranking that doesn't mean you discount a team's high ranking 4 or 5 games into the season once they lose to a better team.

Bama'a win against UGA doesn't become tarnished because they then also lose to UF.

Simply because bother were Top 10 teams.

Now if UGA loses again it does open them to more criticism but losing to 2 of the best teams in the country isn't something that makes you believe they suck.

Now if we were arguing Oh St over Penn St you could use this logic on Oh St because they lost to Penn St and USC both top teams.

The thing is Penn St has 1 quality win, againt Oh St, and 1 that is only considered quality because the team they beat beat another team.

[Freakshow]

While I agree you can't give too much credit to a preseason ranking that doesn't mean you discount a team's high ranking 4 or 5 games into the season once they lose to a better team.


4 games in this season Wisconsin was ranked in the top 10. Do you still want to make that statement?

[ozzie]

4 games in this season Wisconsin was ranked in the top 10. Do you still want to make that statement?

Week #4 AP Rankings:

AP Top 25
1. USC (62) 2-0 1,621
2. Oklahoma 3-0 1,484
3. Georgia (2) 4-0 1,475
4. Florida (1) 3-0 1,442
5. LSU 3-0 1,363
6. Missouri 4-0 1,360
7. Texas 3-0 1,174
8. Alabama 4-0 1,132
9. Wisconsin 3-0 1,091
10. Texas Tech 4-0 962
11. Brigham Young 4-0 919
12. Penn State 4-0 891
13. South Florida 4-0 798
14. Ohio State 3-1 790
15. Auburn 3-1 785
16. Wake Forest 3-0 711
17. Utah 4-0 574
18. Kansas 3-1 555
19. Boise State 3-0 363
20. Clemson 3-1 300
21. Vanderbilt 4-0 242
22. Illinois 2-1 224
23. East Carolina 3-1 201
24. TCU 4-0 117
25. Fresno State 2-1

[JimBeam]

OK but now read a little further.

Both UGA and Oh St lost to teams in the Top 8.

Actually Wisconsin was ranked #10 through 3 games based on their preseason ranking.

And what juggernaut exposed them in game 4 ?

That now 2-7 Michigan team.

Wisconsin has now lost to everybody it seems.

Actually who DID Wisconsin beat ?

A Fresno State teams that lost to Hawaii and La Tech ?

If you want to use Wisconsin to bolster either Penn St or Oh St then you have to give Bama the credit for Clemson.

[Freakshow]

But on the flip side, who has Georgia beaten? Vanderbilt? LSU? If LSU loses to Alabama, they might fall outside of the top 20.

What if Georgia loses the rest of their games? They will be the Wisconsin of the SEC? It's not likely, but neither is Texas Tech and Alabama winning all their remaining games. Which would make this conversation moot because Penn State will make the BCS title game if there are 2 or less undefeated major-conference teams left at the end of the year.

[JimBeam]

What if Georgia loses the rest of their games? They will be the Wisconsin of the SEC?

With that " if " and presuming that Wisconsin wins their remaining games both UGA and Wisconsin will end up w/ 7-5 records.

The difference is UGA will end their season against a team currently ranked ( Ga Tech ) and Wisconsin will end it with Cal Poly from the fearsome Great West Conference ( whose members have zero games played against a BCS Conference team this year unless you want to count a wild card like the Mountain West ).

[Freakshow]

man, this a strange tangent we have gotten ourselves on, here. I would consider the win over Michigan a more impressive win that the one over Wisconsin at this point. The only thing notable about winning versus the Badgers was--it was on the road, and it wasn't very close. Otherwise it's a win over a not very good team. I only brought them up because you mentioned things being clearer 4 or 5 weeks into the season, and usually they are not.

[JimBeam]

As I think we've all mentioned at some point it's still too early and the odds of all 3 teams ( Bama, Texas Tech and Penn St ) running the table are remote.

We'll have a bigger issue to argue when/if 2 of the 3 join the 1 loss teams.

[Freakshow]

off topic slightly (but pertaining to a previous topic):

Seven PSU players make district academic all-america team (http://gopsusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110608aab.html)

A school record seven Nittany Lions, tied for highest total in the nation, have been selected to the ESPN The Magazine Academic All-District® Football Team.


The group is led by senior tackle Gerald Cadogan (Portsmouth, Ohio), who earned First Team ESPN The Magazine Academic All-America® honors in 2007. Cadogan earned Academic All-District® accolades for the third consecutive year. He owns a 3.68 gade point average in rehabilitation services and psychology and is on schedule to graduate in December.


Cadogan is joined on the ESPN The Magazine Academic All-District® first team by punter Jeremy Boone (Mechanicsburg), quarterback Pat Devlin (Downingtown), linebacker Josh Hull (Millheim), kick snapper Andrew Pitz (Bettendorf, Iowa), safety Mark Rubin (Amherst, N.Y.), and guard Stefen Wisniewski (Bridgeville). Rubin earned Academic All-District® honors for the second consecutive year.

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man, this a strange tangent we have gotten ourselves on, here. I would consider the win over Michigan a more impressive win that the one over Wisconsin at this point. The only thing notable about winning versus the Badgers was--it was on the road, and it wasn't very close. Otherwise it's a win over a not very good team. I only brought them up because you mentioned things being clearer 4 or 5 weeks into the season, and usually they are not.

It does sort them out 4-5 weeks in the season, I knew that clemson wasnt that good and a friend of mine who is an ACC fan thought I was crazy with those RBs, their drop was expected. Wisconsin shouldnt have gotten that high and neither should OSU with a rookie QB, it makes it obvious in hindsight.

The PSU graduation rate doesnt surprise me they have solid players but I think they will lose at least 1 game before the end of the season, if that happens you can kiss any chance of them getting into the NC game. Although even if they finish undefeated there is a very good chance they could miss the game.

[JimBeam]

Kiper was on Mike & Mike this morning and he says he's sticking w/ McCoy for Heisman.

I disagree.

I think w/ the loss that now makes Bradford the better choice due to record and stats.

Obvioulsy if Harrell goes undefeated he'd trump both of them but I think I'd give it to Bradford in a 3 way race if they all had at least a loss.

[ozzie]

Kiper was on Mike & Mike this morning and he says he's sticking w/ McCoy for Heisman.

I disagree.

I think w/ the loss that now makes Bradford the better choice due to record and stats.

Obvioulsy if Harrell goes undefeated he'd trump both of them but I think I'd give it to Bradford in a 3 way race if they all had at least a loss.

Watch out for Tebow if the Gaytors take the SEC championship game. Especially if the Gaytors have a chance to get into the Title Game.

Personally, I don't want to see him get it, and wasn't for him getting it last year, but people love the guy, and the perception is that he carried the team last year, and again this year.

[JimBeam]

I was a huge supporter of his last year but I don't think the numbers are there this year.

Now it's tough on him if you're comparing last year's numbers, which were historical, to this years but I just don't think he's done enough this year to warrant it.

I still love watching him play but not an H-Man winner this year w/ the kinda years Bradford and Harrell are having.

[ozzie]

I was a huge supporter of his last year but I don't think the numbers are there this year.

Now it's tough on him if you're comparing last year's numbers, which were historical, to this years but I just don't think he's done enough this year to warrant it.

I still love watching him play but not an H-Man winner this year w/ the kinda years Bradford and Harrell are having.

In a year when the Phillies can win the world series and Obama can win the Presidency... there may be some that would vote just to give someone the Heisman twice in a row for the first time since Archie Griffin.

Griffin needs to consult the former Miami Dolphins to find out what incantations and voodoo he needs for him to keep the claim to himself.

[JimBeam]

I'm wondering who else is in the discussion outside of Tebow, Bradford, McCoy, Harrell and Crabtree.

I guess the RB from Mich St, who's name is ebarrassingly slipping me right now, might get some votes.

[El Mudo]

Javon Ringer

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Im sorry tebow is just the product of a good system, he may be good now but he wont make it at the next level.

I still look for harrel to be the front runner after last satrudays win, they wont give to someone twice now, there is just too much talent out there.

[razorboy]

Javon Ringer

He's definitely deserving of consideration. I doubt he gets the New York invite however, no matter how unfair it might be.

[PhilDeez]

Javon Ringer

He should get at least an invite to NY.
How bout Darren Evans after his 253 against the mightly Terps last night? Kidding of course had to get the dig in.
I still thing McCoy will take the trophey this year, despite the loss to Texas Tech. He has the best numbers of anyone in huge games even with the loss to Texas Tech he lead his team back to what should have been a win.

[RaysFever]

Kiper was on Mike & Mike this morning and he says he's sticking w/ McCoy for Heisman.

I disagree.

I think w/ the loss that now makes Bradford the better choice due to record and stats.

Obvioulsy if Harrell goes undefeated he'd trump both of them but I think I'd give it to Bradford in a 3 way race if they all had at least a loss.

I think that someone in the Big 12 should win the Heisman. McCoy is a frontrunner, but Harrell and Bradford are both tremendous. There is no doubt (in my mind) the best play in the country is coming from quarterbacks in the Big 12.

I also think the Big 12 is the best conference in the country in front of the SEC, and the Big 10 is a joke.

[RaysFever]

I'm wondering who else is in the discussion outside of Tebow, Bradford, McCoy, Harrell and Crabtree.

I guess the RB from Mich St, who's name is ebarrassingly slipping me right now, might get some votes.

Every time a team loses, their quarterback takes a step back in the Heisman voting - ridiculously!

At this rate, Ringer will definitely win it, just because the quartebacks take a hit for a loss and running backs don't.

[ozzie]

Im sorry tebow is just the product of a good system, he may be good now but he wont make it at the next level.

Is this the NFL draft thread, or the college football thread?

Damn I hate when people knock how well someone plays in college based on their "all knowing" predictions on how they will perform "at the next level".

And enough with the "product of a system" arguement. Tebow is hardly Danny Wuerffel. You can't tell me that you could put Todd Reesing's scrawny ass into the Gaytor huddle and that he'd be able to run this offense the same way.

So is everyone is convinced that ALL of the best QB's in the country are in the same conference?

No one thinks that maybe it has anything to do with the fact that they're all playing aginst the same defenses?

Don't forget Chase Daniel, Todd Reesing, Josh Freeman, Zac Robinson... the only reason they aren't candidates is because their teams are out of contention. They're ALL putting up big numbers this year, and therefore, so are their top receivers.

If Missouri had beaten Ok State and Texas, Daniel would be your likely frontrunner.

This award has become more about finding the player with the best numbers on the winning team. When was the last time a heisman winner came from a team that wasn't in the top 20? Or the top 15? Hell, usually it's from a top 10 team.

It's too bad for the non-big12 candidates that the voting will be done before the bowl games. This year's winner may be the next Geno Torretta.

And unless Michigan State can pull an upset against Penn State, poor Javon Ringer is probably out of contention... which sucks.