2008 College Football Discussion Thread

[pennington]

(seeing as how we don't get CBS-C, which was the channel posted on the pocket schedule that I picked up at the RU bookstore on September 7th and not CBS)

If this happens again, go to the Scarlet Knights Football page. There a link that says "Watch", there's a brief registration (E-mail, age, what college, etc) then you can watch the CBS feed on your computer.

[Fezticle98]

I miss Kaipoa Noa Kaheaku-Enhada...Navy hasn't been the same since he left

Please keep sleeping on the Terps in the ACC...i'm begging you

He's back.

MTSU didn't sleep on the Terps, they shit on the Terps.

[Snoogans]

I miss Kaipoa Noa Kaheaku-Enhada...Navy hasn't been the same since he left

Please keep sleeping on the Terps in the ACC...i'm begging you

he still plays for Navy. he was just hurt hte first 2 games. He played against Rutgers

[Snoogans]

[QUOTE=Thebazile78;1874095]OK, reading the recaps after listening to part of the 3rd quarter (seeing as how we don't get CBS-C, which was the channel posted on the pocket schedule that I picked up at the RU bookstore on September 7th and not CBS) I now feel able to post that Rutgers again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

I've been here before and I am not surprised. Teel has been playing horrifically.

And I hate it when they use Jabu. It makes me crazy.

He's just not gonna be Michael Vick no matter how hard he wishes he will be.[/QYou are kidding right? About Lovelace? What they do with him is pretty much exactly what they should. Running the option with him gives a little space and backs off the defense. If anything, They don't do it enough. With Teel being as bad as he has, all teams will do is load up on the run. Brooks and Martinek looked good, but they wont without space. Lovelace needs to be used, thats why it worked so well the last 2 years.

None of it matters one a team that looks poised to be 1-11(i cant see them losing to whatever 1-aa they play), but lovelace is used right. Thats why he doesnt even have him throw. Lovelace is basically an option back that comes in to run it. NOT ENOUGH

[El Mudo]

He's back.

MTSU didn't sleep on the Terps, they shit on the Terps.


Is he really? I didn't realize he was still there. There's nothing more fun than saying Kaipo Noa Kaheaku-Enhada

I agree with you on that. But the last two games, theyve been money. The Cal game wasn't even close, and EMU sucks, but the offence hasn't looked that good in years, and I don't think our best RB even played (Da Rel Scott). We will get a truer test this week in Clemson, who I think we have a great shot to beat, and if we do, we are going to do very well in the ACC (that and If we can only beat stupid Wake Forest). Theyve got their confidence back on O, and Turner has been playing great and not turning the ball over. And our kicker finally made a field goal! Hooray! (Thats what makes the Delaware score so misleading...he missed like 4 chip shots in that game)

And we also have the best WR in the entire ACC, Darrius Heyward-Bey Heyward-Bey Heyward-Bey

http://www.pointedmagazine.com/terps%20darrius%20heyward-bey%20hauls%20in%20a%20school%20record%2096%20yard %20touchdown%20pass.jpg


Hey! I was at that game! Longest TD catch in Maryland history! Wheeeeeeee

[Thebazile78]

If this happens again, go to the Scarlet Knights Football page. There a link that says "Watch", there's a brief registration (E-mail, age, what college, etc) then you can watch the CBS feed on your computer.

The rest of this season's games are on SNY. We get SNY.

Besides, I don't need to see them suck.

My free tickets to games during my undergrad years were enough.

[Snoogans]

The rest of this season's games are on SNY. We get SNY.

Besides, I don't need to see them suck.

My free tickets to games during my undergrad years were enough.

just so you know, CBS College sports network or whatever the game was on here is available on all our cable companies. Its part of the sports package that gets you NBATV and all the other shit. Unless, of course, you have Cablevision, in which case NFL NETWORK IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE OTHER SHIT

[Snoogans]

Is he really? I didn't realize he was still there. There's nothing more fun than saying Kaipo Noa Kaheaku-Enhada


its not much fun watching awful Rutgers try to tackle him.




FUCK

[Thebazile78]

You are kidding right? About Lovelace? What they do with him is pretty much exactly what they should. Running the option with him gives a little space and backs off the defense. If anything, They don't do it enough. With Teel being as bad as he has, all teams will do is load up on the run. Brooks and Martinek looked good, but they wont without space. Lovelace needs to be used, thats why it worked so well the last 2 years.

None of it matters one a team that looks poised to be 1-11(i cant see them losing to whatever 1-aa they play), but lovelace is used right. Thats why he doesnt even have him throw. Lovelace is basically an option back that comes in to run it. NOT ENOUGH

Looking back on it, the Michael Vick reference was out of line with what I was trying to say. I could've said it without invoking any pro QB's.

I'm not saying he's not used "correctly" but I am saying he's predictable and rather ineffective. (2 carries for 5 yards is not effective, IMO.)

If he could gain more yards on each run, maybe I would agree with you. If he could advance play downfield, maybe I would agree with you. I agree that it's just not enough. The offense this year is weaker than they've been in a while due to the large number of seniors who graduated in the past 2 years ... and the loss of Ray Rice's early exit to go pro. (He's apparently having a decent season so far in Baltimore. Wonder if the Ravens' home network coverage shows his mom in the stands ... she's fun to watch.)

But, every time the offense brings out Jabu, the other teams know EXACTLY what's gonna happen. He's gonna run the ball right down the middle.

Sorry, dude. Using Jabu simply makes me nuts.

[Snoogans]

I'm not saying he's not used "correctly" but I am saying he's predictable and rather ineffective. (2 carries for 5 yards is not effective, IMO.)

If he could gain more yards on each run, maybe I would agree with you. If he could advance play downfield, maybe I would agree with you. I agree that it's just not enough. The offense this year is weaker than they've been in a while due to the large number of seniors who graduated in the past 2 years ... and the loss of Ray Rice's early exit to go pro. (He's apparently having a decent season so far in Baltimore. Wonder if the Ravens' home network coverage shows his mom in the stands ... she's fun to watch.)

But, every time the offense brings out Jabu, the other teams know EXACTLY what's gonna happen. He's gonna run the ball right down the middle.

Sorry, dude. Using Jabu simply makes me nuts.

Looking back on it, the Michael Vick reference was out of line with what I was trying to say. I could've said it without invoking any pro QB's.

thats one game though. And 2 carries. Dont you remember the last 2 seasons when he would come in and rip off 10-12 yards a clip, even when they knew. This has nothing to do with Lovelace. Its all about how Schiano is butchering his job and Mike Teel blows. At this point, id put a Juggs ball cannon behind center and take a chance

[Thebazile78]

just so you know, CBS College sports network or whatever the game was on here is available on all our cable companies. Its part of the sports package that gets you NBATV and all the other shit. Unless, of course, you have Cablevision, in which case NFL NETWORK IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE OTHER SHIT

I never implied that it's not available through our cable company, just that we don't get it because it's not part of the sports package we currently subscribe to.

And we're not big NBA watchers, so we don't get NBATV, either.

Lastly, in our opinions, Comcast is just as screwed up as Cablevision.

[Snoogans]

I never implied that it's not available through our cable company, just that we don't get it because it's not part of the sports package we currently subscribe to.

And we're not big NBA watchers, so we don't get NBATV, either.

Lastly, in our opinions, Comcast is just as screwed up as Cablevision.

at least Comcast has NESN.

[Thebazile78]

thats one game though. And 2 carries. Dont you remember the last 2 seasons when he would come in and rip off 10-12 yards a clip, even when they knew. This has nothing to do with Lovelace. Its all about how Schiano is butchering his job and Mike Teel blows. At this point, id put a Juggs ball cannon behind center and take a chance

Jabu? 10-12 yards per carry? I missed those ... probably because I was in the bathroom.

According to the stats on ESPN (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/player/stats?playerId=176926), he had a good season last year, but the year before not so much. I wasn't watching him as closely as I was watching other players ... Leonard, Rice, Britt, Underwood ... "bigger" names. The first time I remember watching him play was at Homecoming last year against Norfolk State. The score was so lopsided that it didn't matter what he did ... it couldn't possibly get any worse for the Spartans.

I'm not defending Schiano today; you don't go 0-3 and get a pat on the head. There's something wrong. He messed up big-time and in the postgame press conference, he sounded so lost that I had to switch it off. Which he acknowledged, but I don't know what he's going to do about it. There's only so much that film will help!

[Snoogans]

Jabu? 10-12 yards per carry? I missed those ... probably because I was in the bathroom.

According to the stats on ESPN (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/player/stats?playerId=176926), he had a good season last year, but the year before not so much. I wasn't watching him as closely as I was watching other players ... Leonard, Rice, Britt, Underwood ... "bigger" names. The first time I remember watching him play was at Homecoming last year against Norfolk State. The score was so lopsided that it didn't matter what he did ... it couldn't possibly get any worse for the Spartans.

I'm not defending Schiano today; you don't go 0-3 and get a pat on the head. There's something wrong. He messed up big-time and in the postgame press conference, he sounded so lost that I had to switch it off. Which he acknowledged, but I don't know what he's going to do about it. There's only so much that film will help!

im not sayin he avg 10-12 for the year. But there were tons of times they would bring him in, although in hte backfield with Rice which could make a big difference, and everyone KNEW he was running an option and he would still take it up the middle for a first down. it worked last year. I dont know if its not having rice, schiano doing it against wrong D's or at the wrong time, I don't know. Everyone with this team looks fucked up this year

Sad part is, you can see on the field that these kids are good. They arent consistant, but they can play, except Teel. There is no reason I have found where they should look this bad

[Thebazile78]

im not sayin he avg 10-12 for the year. But there were tons of times they would bring him in, although in hte backfield with Rice which could make a big difference, and everyone KNEW he was running an option and he would still take it up the middle for a first down. it worked last year. I dont know if its not having rice, schiano doing it against wrong D's or at the wrong time, I don't know. Everyone with this team looks fucked up this year

Sad part is, you can see on the field that these kids are good. They arent consistant, but they can play, except Teel. There is no reason I have found where they should look this bad

At least with a strong player like Rice on the field, you could throw them for a loop because they'd have coverage on Ray thinking he'd be the one running it ... and BAM! out of nowhere there's Jabu.

Agreed. The most painful part of the team this year is that they don't obviously suck. The defense is still pretty good, but the offense is killing me. (I am inclined to agree with you about Teel. He looked better last year after he sprained his thumb.)

[Snoogans]

At least with a strong player like Rice on the field, you could throw them for a loop because they'd have coverage on Ray thinking he'd be the one running it ... and BAM! out of nowhere there's Jabu.

Agreed. The most painful part of the team this year is that they don't obviously suck. The defense is still pretty good, but the offense is killing me. (I am inclined to agree with you about Teel. He looked better last year after he sprained his thumb.)

Its really bad. Like I said, in HS he did the SAME EXACT SHIT. He hasnt really matured or learned anything. THats what bothers me. And the offense will move the ball fine. Its almost like Teel gets scared of the 20 yard line, once he gets there, he has to give it up

[Freitag]

I never implied that it's not available through our cable company, just that we don't get it because it's not part of the sports package we currently subscribe to.

And we're not big NBA watchers, so we don't get NBATV, either.

Lastly, in our opinions, Comcast is just as screwed up as Cablevision.

Yet we can't get DirecTV.

[Snoogans]

Yet we can't get DirecTV.

dont feel bad, I cant either. Condo asoc doesn't allow dishes on the roof

[Snoogans]

and for anyone who saw it, that Ball State WR who was motionless for 15 minutes is gonna be ok. He prob wont ever play again, but he will lead a normal life they say

Story here (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3602536)

Ball State receiver Dante Love is expected to "live a normal and happy life" according to a statement released by the university, but he probably won't ever play football again.

Love suffered a cervical spine fracture and a spinal cord injury during the first quarter of Saturday's game against Indiana.

[El Mudo]

and for anyone who saw it, that Ball State WR who was motionless for 15 minutes is gonna be ok. He prob wont ever play again, but he will lead a normal life they say

Story here (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3602536)

That's great news...glad to see he's gonna live normally


I saw him play earlier this year against Navy and he was unbeweevable, he had like 400 yards of offence by HIMSELF in that game

[Thebazile78]

Yet we can't get DirecTV.

If we got DirecTV, I would never see you again, lost to 100's of channels of NFL, NHLK and NASCAR madness.

If you really want DirecTV, I might as well adopt 16 cats now.

[Freitag]

If we got DirecTV, I would never see you again, lost to 100's of channels of NFL, NHLK and NASCAR madness.

If you really want DirecTV, I might as well adopt 16 cats now.

I... I... I got nothing. Damnit, she's right.

I'd be like that tool watching the Sharp TV who catches the baseball.

[razorboy]

Damn, the Beavers are making USC look silly thus far.

[Snoogans]

i knew someone would make me proud. I purposely didnt post here WAITING for someone else to care. THANK YOU


I hope this is the week. THE CHOKE WEEK

Every year they choke, NOW I KNOW WHY HERBSTREET DOESNT TAKE YOUR CALLS CARROLL. CAUSE YOU'RE A BUM

[SP1!]

i knew someone would make me proud. I purposely didnt post here WAITING for someone else to care. THANK YOU


I hope this is the week. THE CHOKE WEEK

Every year they choke, NOW I KNOW WHY HERBSTREET DOESNT TAKE YOUR CALLS CARROLL. CAUSE YOU'RE A BUM

From the games I have seen USC looks very beatable, I would rather it had been in the NC game so everyone could see them get smoked though. OSU is not a good team with a horrible defense so that game proved they were going to be exposed sooner or later, besides sanchez has not had hardly any pressure put on him this year, once you do that he will crumble.

I used to hate herbstreet but hes probably the most objective of the announcers.

[razorboy]

i knew someone would make me proud. I purposely didnt post here WAITING for someone else to care. THANK YOU


I hope this is the week. THE CHOKE WEEK

Every year they choke, NOW I KNOW WHY HERBSTREET DOESNT TAKE YOUR CALLS CARROLL. CAUSE YOU'RE A BUM

Win or lose the Trojan apologists will still find a way to explain away this first half. Wah, Taylor Mays got hurt. Wah, Shareece Wright was out. Whatever.

That Jacquizz Rodgers kid is awesome. A little pinball reminiscent of Darren Sproles or Garrett Wolfe.

[Snoogans]

From the games I have seen USC looks very beatable, I would rather it had been in the NC game so everyone could see them get smoked though. OSU is not a good team with a horrible defense so that game proved they were going to be exposed sooner or later, besides sanchez has not had hardly any pressure put on him this year, once you do that he will crumble.

I used to hate herbstreet but hes probably the most objective of the announcers.

i love Herbstreet. He is fair, he doesnt seem to favor even OSU, and he seems to get it. Like a pretty cool guy. The only thing that sucks is when you hear him, you know you are gonna be hearing Lee Corso too.

[Epschtein]

love this rivalry!

nice 3 and out by the beaver defense just now, they need to get good field position and go down and score here, that will put a lot of pressure on USC since the trojans have been rolling in the second half so far.

a quick stop by the trojan defense here could turn the game around for good.

[SP1!]

love this rivalry!

nice 3 and out by the beaver defense just now, they need to get good field position and go down and score here, that will put a lot of pressure on USC since the trojans have been rolling in the second half so far.

a quick stop by the trojan defense here could turn the game around for good.

Less that 5 minutes left, if oregon state scores one more time, FG or TD, its over.

[Epschtein]

oh snap!

picked off and gaaaaaaaaaaame over!

good shit.

[razorboy]

Yes!!!

[SP1!]

Interception leads to the TD, nice toss sanchez, game over.

[SP1!]

OMG how could they miss the XP? Is there enough time for USC to score twice?

Uh oh long return

Ball game, should have put them away early USC losers.

[TheGameHHH]

this makes me extremely happy, fuck USC.

[weekapaugjz]

this makes me extremely happy, fuck USC.

x2

[led37zep]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
FUCK USC
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
FINALLY OREGON STATE IS GOOD FOR SOMETHING
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[KnoxHarrington]

I hope that this is the year this bullshit BCS system finally just melts down. Looks like we're headed that way.

[Freakshow]

Penn State crushed Oregon State 45-14.




Just sayin'

[JimBeam]

I thought I heard this morning that this was the 1st time in 23 years that a #1 team lost to an unranked team.

Wasn't Arkansas unranked when they beat LSU last year ?

[Earlshog]

I thought I heard this morning that this was the 1st time in 23 years that a #1 team lost to an unranked team.

Wasn't Arkansas unranked when they beat LSU last year ?


You are correct sir.

[JimBeam]

So somebody screwed that stat up huh ?

I'm not sure if I heard in on ESPN or on Rivals.

Seems like it happened more often than that.

[ChrisBrown]

this makes me extremely happy, fuck USC.

Same hear. god, I hate USC. Great to see another PAC 10 team beat them. go Beavers!

[ozzie]

From the games I have seen USC looks very beatable, I would rather it had been in the NC game so everyone could see them get smoked though. OSU is not a good team with a horrible defense so that game proved they were going to be exposed sooner or later, besides sanchez has not had hardly any pressure put on him this year, once you do that he will crumble.

I used to hate herbstreet but hes probably the most objective of the announcers.

Really? Which game was that? The beatdown of Virginia, or the raping of top-5 Ohio State?

Its still going to be either USC, OSU, UGA in the BCS game

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Last edited by SP1!; 09-02-2008 at 07:44 PM.

This should be the weekend for great games, but USCs only tough game is over so they should coast to the NC game, cupcakes the rest of the way for them. Congrats you earned it of course, playing in the tough PACcake 10.

Yeah other than USC is there a really a reason to talk about college football out west? They should change their conference name to the PAC-1.

Yeah, except oregon is proving it today that the PAC-1 is just USC and a conference filled out with crappy teams.

We all knew LSU would win and that the PAC 1 was not really much of a conference past USC. Now everyone gets to sit back and watch Oklahoma fuck up again and ruin their coast to the NC game.

Sorry to call you out specifically. This isn't directed at you alone, but FACE to everyone who wanted to crown the mighty Trojans after winning TWO fucking games this year!

At least Snoogans was with me on this one.

Fuck it. Crown USC now. I'm obviously not going to win this arguement.

Sad thing is, with this bullshit system, there is still time for USC to sneak back into the title game by attrition.

If the college football regular season is truly already a "playoff every week" (like the NCAA loves to proclaim), then USC should be one and done, and the equivalent of a #1 being knocked out by a #16 in the Bball tourney!

The fact that LSU and Ohio State BOTH lost their last regular season home games in November last year, and STILL made it to the title game, means that every week is NOT a fucking playoff, and if you're going to shit the bed like USC just did, it's better to do it early because they could still win out and make it back in.

As exciting as last night's game was... this loss could be all but forgotten by Thanksgiving.

And yeah, this win gives a lot more weight to how badly Penn State pounded the Beavers.

If it's possible to have a brutal schedule in the Big10, Penn State has got it. If they survive it unscathed (which would include wins over currently ranked Illinois, @ Wisconsin and @ Ohio State), they've got to be in the discussion for the title game.

[ozzie]

So somebody screwed that stat up huh ?

I'm not sure if I heard in on ESPN or on Rivals.

Seems like it happened more often than that.

I think ESPN flashed something up last night about this being the EARLIEST in the season (in September) that a #1 lost to an un-ranked team since #1 Auburn (and Bo Jackson) lost at Tennessee in 1985.

[SP1!]

Really? Which game was that? The beatdown of Virginia, or the raping of top-5 Ohio State?
Sorry to call you out specifically. This isn't directed at you alone, but FACE to everyone who wanted to crown the mighty Trojans after winning TWO fucking games this year!

You, just like every other moron that cant watch football games to see what really happens instead of what the finally score was, virginia is not that good but if they had any RBs that game might have been competitive. OSU would have been close if they had beanie to run rampant over that soft up front defense. Its just like on fark where this idiot argues that if ASU had their RB they would have won that game, fucking moron, the defense dictated what the offense was going to be able to do and they werent going to run the ball at all.

Oh I still think USC will make it back to the NC game, the media loves them too much for it not to happen but I dont think they are going to win shit, they would get killed by any of the 3 SEC teams that can make it to the NC game.

[JimBeam]

I love how the ifs and buts come out.

Yeah USC would be 0-3 if UVA would've run for 400 yards.

IF Beanie Wells had played he's have run for 600 against USC.

Please.

The fact is the USC team was obviously overrated and lost on the road to a team that beats a lot of teams at home.

I love how everbody was so enamored w/ the LSU/Auburn game where Aubrun scored 20+ points against LSU after only scoring 3 againts an AWFUL Miss St team ( and don't give me any nonsense about " how tough the SEC is " when Miss St lost to La Tech and Ga Tech ).

It's all cyclical.

Any team can lose at any time regardless of their conference.

It's too early in the season to make any judgements but you have to guess that USC is done unless they run the table and get a lot of help.

[ozzie]

You, just like every other moron that cant watch football games to see what really happens instead of what the finally score was, virginia is not that good but if they had any RBs that game might have been competitive. OSU would have been close if they had beanie to run rampant over that soft up front defense. Its just like on fark where this idiot argues that if ASU had their RB they would have won that game, fucking moron, the defense dictated what the offense was going to be able to do and they werent going to run the ball at all.

Oh I still think USC will make it back to the NC game, the media loves them too much for it not to happen but I dont think they are going to win shit, they would get killed by any of the 3 SEC teams that can make it to the NC game.

I'm the "moron"? I'm not the one who was booking their place in the title game after winning two fucking games.

Its still going to be either USC, OSU, UGA in the BCS game

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Last edited by SP1!; 09-02-2008 at 07:44 PM.

USCs only tough game is over so they should coast to the NC game, cupcakes the rest of the way for them. Congrats you earned it of course, playing in the tough PACcake 10.

Yeah other than USC is there a really a reason to talk about college football out west? They should change their conference name to the PAC-1.

Yeah, except oregon is proving it today that the PAC-1 is just USC and a conference filled out with crappy teams.

We all knew LSU would win and that the PAC 1 was not really much of a conference past USC.

When exactly did you realize they were "beatable"? After they were down three touchdowns at halftime last night?

[ozzie]

I love how everbody was so enamored w/ the LSU/Auburn game where Aubrun scored 20+ points against LSU after only scoring 3 againts an AWFUL Miss St team ( and don't give me any nonsense about " how tough the SEC is " when Miss St lost to La Tech and Ga Tech ).

People in here commented that it was a great game. What the hell did AU's performance against MSU have to do with how they played against LSU?

Are you trying to say that because they only put up 3 against MSU, that means that LSU giving up 21 means that LSU (or their D) is not that good?

I don't get your point at all.

[JimBeam]

That's exactly the point.

I'm not talking necessarily about anybody in the discussion more about the media in general.

Not saying that LSU sint good, or wont remain good, but let's not make them out to be great after one win decent win.

[Freakshow]

but it's that media that actually determines just about everything. Remember USC didn't start the season #1, but after beating up on a hapless Virginia team, they jumped over at least one team to the top spot by just about everybody.

[Snoogans]

Really? Which game was that? The beatdown of Virginia, or the raping of top-5 Ohio State?











Sorry to call you out specifically. This isn't directed at you alone, but FACE to everyone who wanted to crown the mighty Trojans after winning TWO fucking games this year!

At least Snoogans was with me on this one.



Sad thing is, with this bullshit system, there is still time for USC to sneak back into the title game by attrition.

If the college football regular season is truly already a "playoff every week" (like the NCAA loves to proclaim), then USC should be one and done, and the equivalent of a #1 being knocked out by a #16 in the Bball tourney!

The fact that LSU and Ohio State BOTH lost their last regular season home games in November last year, and STILL made it to the title game, means that every week is NOT a fucking playoff, and if you're going to shit the bed like USC just did, it's better to do it early because they could still win out and make it back in.

As exciting as last night's game was... this loss could be all but forgotten by Thanksgiving.

And yeah, this win gives a lot more weight to how badly Penn State pounded the Beavers.

If it's possible to have a brutal schedule in the Big10, Penn State has got it. If they survive it unscathed (which would include wins over currently ranked Illinois, @ Wisconsin and @ Ohio State), they've got to be in the discussion for the title game.

thats right. I knew it would happen, just didnt know when. Well, it was week 5, CHOKE WEEK

[JimBeam]

Agreed but the same logic should be used against an LSU win as it was to a USC win.

The argument by many, after USC's loss last night, was that " Oh well the wins against UVA and Oh St must not have been a big deal ", but how can the same not be said to a LSU's win over Auburn ?

Again it's still way too early to see who's the best team although the edge now is to OK or UGA.

Although I'm thinking Alabama's gonna pull the upset this weekend.

[Snoogans]

Also I would like to add, pay attention to oklahoma. At least for now. Unlike USC, they know how to fuckin choke, so they usually don't lose til later in the season when they cant come back from it. But for now, they look good, and don't bitch that they never played anyone. Cincinnati is a good team, and everyone was on Washington's jock before Oklahoma pissed all over them. Until they blow one, they are the team to beat right now.

[Snoogans]

Agreed but the same logic should be used against an LSU win as it was to a USC win.

The argument by many, after USC's loss last night, was that " Oh well the wins against UVA and Oh St must not have been a big deal ", but how can the same not be said to a LSU's win over Auburn ?

Again it's still way too early to see who's the best team although the edge now is to OK or UGA.

Although I'm thinking Alabama's gonna pull the upset this weekend.

based on the last 2 weeks i think its definately possible and I have a rising feeling that it's gonna happen. If Georgia does pull it out, it's time to start taking them seriously and stop dropping them in the polls.

[JimBeam]

Who in their right mind would've been on Washington's jock ?

They were 0-2 going into that beating by OK.

Crappy call or not against BYU ( although I counter with " All you had do do was make what was essenitially a 30 yard FG to send the game into OT. " ) they had their butts handed to them by Oregon in Week 1.

[JimBeam]

The thing w/ UGA is they still have so many other possible trap games going forward.

I could see them making it to the Ga Tech game undefeated and laying an egg.

Not for a talent or skill perspective but more in a worst possible thing that could happen kinda way.

[Snoogans]

Who in their right mind would've been on Washington's jock ?

They were 0-2 going into that beating by OK.

Crappy call or not against BYU ( although I counter with " All you had do do was make what was essenitially a 30 yard FG to send the game into OT. " ) they had their butts handed to them by Oregon in Week 1.

by the score they got it put on em in oregon. But for the first half to 3 quarters, it wasnt a blow out. And BYU is really good, as we have seen since that game. Thats why alot of people were on Washington's jock. Not that they would beat OK, just that they were a good team

[ozzie]

Bama's starting 11 on both sides of the ball can probably compete with anyone for a half. The question will be whether they can put up a lead, or stay in the game with Georgia for 4 quarters. They're still not very deep.

Also, John Parker Wilson has a tendency to blow up under pressure, or after a bad interception. They haven't won any big games with him, and especially none on the road.

If they can get a lead, keep from turning the ball over, and keep the crowd out, watch out. But don't count on this team coming from behind late in the game.

And I agree, I've been saying since the schedule came out that Georgia might have had the most talent coming back this year, but that the chances of them running the table were slim.

After Bama, Georgia has Tennessee, Vanderbilt, @LSU, Florida (Jacksonville, FL), @Kentucky, @Auburn (all in consecutive weeks), then Ga Tech to close it out, just for good measure. Then possibly a rematch with LSU, Auburn or Bama in Atlanta.

The SEC is still wide open, and the odds of any of them surviving without a loss is doubtful.

Florida, having LSU at home this year, and Georgia in Jacksonville, and avoiding Auburn and Bama in the West this year... might actually have the easier schedule, and the better chance of winning the East.

[JimBeam]

I've only seen a little bit of Tebow this year and it seems like teams are making adjustments to accomodate for his running ability.

He'll have to beat teams w/ his arm and I'm not sure if he can do that.

[ozzie]

I posted this on another board, and I'll go ahead and throw it out there for you fine folks.

Watch out for Arkansas State over Bama on November 1st.

ASU has an off week the week prior, and for Bama, this game is wedged in between playing @ Tennessee and @ LSU.

Bama dropped a similar game to La-Monroe last year. ASU already has one "upset" of Texas A&M, and beat a pretty good Middle Tenn team (who beat Maryland) last week.

[SP1!]

I'm the "moron"? I'm not the one who was booking their place in the title game after winning two fucking games.

When exactly did you realize they were "beatable"? After they were down three touchdowns at halftime last night?

Yes, not looking at an actual game to see how much of a blowout or close a game really was ignoring the score and looking past the numbers. PAC 10 fans are still making excuses for ASU against UGA, its amazing they pushed ASU all over the field and could have made the game worse but their fans think that if they had their RB they would have won. Fucking crazy.

Oh, and I still think USC will make it to the NC game, but what I mean was that USC had the easiest path, not that it was a guarantee or anything so quit acting like anything was certain.

I realized they were beatable before OSU, I thought they were going to lose until wells was not going to play, USC looks weak against a balanced team with a good running game. Yeah I didnt type all that out, sorry I dont get paid to pontificate on college games, I wish I did that way I could just tell my GF that my addiction is for work.

I will watch the division III championships and she will walk by and just shake her head.

[cougarjake13]

wow

usc looked bad but it was a very entertaining game

[SP1!]

based on the last 2 weeks i think its definately possible and I have a rising feeling that it's gonna happen. If Georgia does pull it out, it's time to start taking them seriously and stop dropping them in the polls.

I dont think alabama has a chance tonight, I think we saw a few new plays last week, richt I think is holding back a little bit judging by that display last week since they could have easily put 40+ up against ASU.

Im just about ready to take a bath and plant myself on the couch to have my GF glare at me all day for not moving.............screw the bath.

[El Mudo]

DIE CLEMSON!!!



M-A-R-Y-L-A-N-D MARYLAND WILL WINNN!!!


:clap::clap::clap:

[SP1!]

Yeah the ACC has shifted, Maryland, Duke, and Ga Tech are the cream, who would have thought that going into this season? Hell Tech was picked to finish dead last in the ACC, it kills me that paul johnson is their coach since UGA will have to play them for a quite a long time to come and hes a damn good coach.

I will call my cousin and laugh hysterically if florida loses to ole fucking miss

[Snoogans]

Yeah the ACC has shifted, Maryland, Duke, and Ga Tech are the cream, who would have thought that going into this season? Hell Tech was picked to finish dead last in the ACC, it kills me that paul johnson is their coach since UGA will have to play them for a quite a long time to come and hes a damn good coach.

I will call my cousin and laugh hysterically if florida loses to ole fucking miss

dont forget about Wake

[SP1!]

LOL florida suckkkks.

Now we just have to get UGA to win tonight so I can call and laugh at my cousins in florida

[disneyspy]

fuckin turnovers are killin michigan.FUCK

[TheGameHHH]

seriously, jimmy clausen only throws fade balls.

however, michael floyd is the best offensive player Notre Dame has. this kid rules

[El Mudo]

dont forget about Wake

We got those bastards at home in two weeks, and they have an angry Clemson team coming in next week

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/apphoto/be750537-aca4-4a27-8f5a-456dced297b1.jpg


http://assets.espn.go.com/media/apphoto/7910c4a0-7dd9-48ae-becb-14455eaaaf9b.jpg

Tommy Bowden = STUNNED

[cougarjake13]

did fla miss an extra point ???

[El Mudo]

It was a blocked PAT attempt with about 4 mins to go...the Rebels stopped a QB sneak on 4th down with about 30 seconds left to win it

and Wake pooped against Navy!! Hooray!! :clap::clap:

[razorboy]

UGA looks like shite. Next weeks polls are going to be interesting.

My Bulls are whipping Wolfpack ass. I might make some money tonight. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/crossfingers.gif

[El Mudo]

its 31-0 Tide



And its not even the half yet....goodness...

Unless UGA pulls this guy out of mothballs, its over

http://www.geocities.com/bflobuzrd_2000/reich.jpg

[razorboy]

31-17 with 14:41 and UGA has been dominating the clock this half. The end of this ballgame could get interesting.

[SP1!]

31-17 with 14:41 and UGA has been dominating the clock this half. The end of this ballgame could get interesting.

We ran out of steam, our defensive coordinator needs to be fired, he has one or two games a year where he shits the bed and that is unacceptable at a big name program.

[PhilDeez]

dont forget about Wake

Or the Hokies, who have already beat GaTech who the other poster listed as the "cream". Offense really came together tonight against a good Nebraska D.
Maryland is at home on a Thursday night, Va Tech dominates Thursday night.

[weekapaugjz]

Unless UGA pulls this guy out of mothballs, its over

http://www.geocities.com/bflobuzrd_2000/reich.jpg

:thumbup:

[El Mudo]

Or the Hokies, who have already beat GaTech who the other poster listed as the "cream". Offense really came together tonight against a good Nebraska D.
Maryland is at home on a Thursday night, Va Tech dominates Thursday night.

Bring it on brother....I still haven't forgotten the Joel Statham Memorial Game a few years ago where you guys beat us like 51-6

This year = revenge

[Freakshow]

Daryll Clark for Heisman...

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/37/376759m.jpg

9 TD, 1 INT. 168.33 Efficiency Rating. 5-0.

[disneyspy]

I think im the hippos of michigan tv watchers
i quit watchin the game at halftime
they came back to win
do i watch my beloved wolverines
or let them win?

[cougarjake13]

I think im the hippos of michigan tv watchers
i quit watchin the game at halftime
they came back to win
do i watch my beloved wolverines
or let them win?



dvr or tivo it, then afterthe game is official watch it

[SP1!]

Or the Hokies, who have already beat GaTech who the other poster listed as the "cream". Offense really came together tonight against a good Nebraska D.
Maryland is at home on a Thursday night, Va Tech dominates Thursday night.

Ummmmm I said that because tech has a first year coach and looks like they are improving, unlike they did under chan gailey and tech would have won if not for stupid mistakes.

And you really shouldnt call nebraskas defense good since they havent played anyone decent until va tech, it will be close but if fatty gets the turtles up they should win.

At least UGA gets a week to get their shit together

[disneyspy]

dvr or tivo it, then afterthe game is official watch it

brilliant!

[Snoogans]

Teel still sucks.
These are the type of games that make me sick. WV should be killing them but they arent. If Britt didn't drop a deep ball and Teel didn't overthrow Timmy Brown on another one this game is tied at worst. This team is too good to be fuckin up this bad. I'm really starting to believe it all comes off Teel being shit

[Snoogans]

wow. Teel sucks so bad that the current longest play of the game for Rutgers is a pass from KENNY BRITT to Mason Robinson

[Snoogans]

this sucks

and so do the CFB fans on this board. Where the fuck are you fools

[pennington]

The only bright spot of this season for Rutgers is that Teel definitely, positively absolutely will not be back next year. Schiano always backs Teel 100% every week. Always. I'm sure he's a nice hardworking kid but it makes no sense. A couple of the recruits that gave them verbal commitments this year have already been making noises they're open to other opportunities.

Teel must have some pictures of Schiano with donkey or something. Otherwise I don't understand it. Schiano should just consider this season a loss and start giving the other QB's playing time and get them ready for next year.

[Snoogans]

The only bright spot of this season for Rutgers is that Teel definitely, positively absolutely will not be back next year. Schiano always backs Teel 100% every week. Always. I'm sure he's a nice hardworking kid but it makes no sense. A couple of the recruits that gave them verbal commitments this year have already been making noises they're open to other opportunities.

Teel must have some pictures of Schiano with donkey or something. Otherwise I don't understand it. Schiano should just consider this season a loss and start giving the other QB's playing time and get them ready for next year.

they redshirted, i think, the kid Jefferson. And Chris Paul Etienne is not the answer. Hopefully Tom Savage coming in next eyar will give them someone solid. And Lovelace is our fot he year now so they cant even really run options. It has to be teel. The team is too good to be having this much trouble

[Snoogans]

that was the WORST throw ever by teel. He didnt look anywhere else, and then threw into 3 defenders. GO FUCK YOURSELF

[pennington]

that was the WORST throw ever by teel. He didnt look anywhere else, and then threw into 3 defenders. GO FUCK YOURSELF

Unbelievable. Really.

If there's no one to put in place of Teel just run the ball for the rest of the season. Or at least never let Teel throw it in critical situations. I'm serious.

[led37zep]

I'm pretty nervous about this game today. USC is going to be looking to punish us for their loss to OSU. I'm not so sure we have the depth to go the distance.

Its all going to be in our running game today. We have our #3 & 4 QB's playing, neither of which have the experience of playing at this level and just like in the past few games out D is going to have to be flawless if we are going to pull this out today.

I wouldn't have this kind of worry if Belotti would just grow back his mustache.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/390351795_e64526d33c.jpg

[pennington]

that was the WORST throw ever by teel. He didnt look anywhere else, and then threw into 3 defenders. GO FUCK YOURSELF

After the game I was in my car and put the radio on. Schiano was being interviewed on the post game show on WOR. He must have been asked about Teel because he said "Mike looked as good as he has all season. He was focused...".

I turned the radio off at that point.

[JimBeam]

Just got to turn on the ND game in time to watch the placekicker miss another FG.

I think they said he's 1 for 7.

On a side note I did see that Clausen has 7 TDs and no INTs in the last 9 quarters.

Let's hope he can keep that up for the rest of the year.

[El Mudo]

this sucks

and so do the CFB fans on this board. Where the fuck are you fools



All the games today are mud...I was watching the Rangers/Ning and Pens/Sens opening games

Hoping MD is on TV at 7

[cougarjake13]

Just got to turn on the ND game in time to watch the placekicker miss another FG.

I think they said he's 1 for 7.

On a side note I did see that Clausen has 7 TDs and no INTs in the last 9 quarters.

Let's hope he can keep that up for the rest of the year.



too bad the defense is swiss cheese

[JimBeam]

It didn't seem to be when I turned the game on ( 28-7 ).

I'd help them more but shutting it off it seems.

[cougarjake13]

It didn't seem to be when I turned the game on ( 28-7 ).

I'd help them more but shutting it off it seems.

yeh stanfords just scoring at will

[SP1!]

this sucks

and so do the CFB fans on this board. Where the fuck are you fools

All these games are boring today

[JimBeam]

On a side not those Gameday commercials w/ Chris, Kirk and Lee are awesome.

[cougarjake13]

yeh theres no excitement in wacthing fla st beat the shit out of miami 31-10

[TheGameHHH]

Just got to turn on the ND game in time to watch the placekicker miss another FG.

I think they said he's 1 for 7.

On a side note I did see that Clausen has 7 TDs and no INTs in the last 9 quarters.

Let's hope he can keep that up for the rest of the year.

Today is the first day, since he began his tenure at Notre Dame, that Claussen actually looks like a college quarterback. He's stayed in the pocket most of the day, made strong throws and managed the game well. It's like he actually got coached up this week. I guess the genius that is Ron Powlus knows no bounds.

Defense does suck though

[SP1!]

yeh theres no excitement in wacthing fla st beat the shit out of miami 31-10

Not really since both teams are pretty bad

[cougarjake13]

Not really since both teams are pretty bad

yeh that although fla st penalties are helping miami get down the field


but only a FG

[JimBeam]

Nobody's talking about FSU & Miami.

I only remembered the game was on when I flipped to it accidentally.

I can remember when that WAS the game of the week and one of the biggest all year.

Wish they had played the Auburn/Vandy game on CBS this afternoon.

[JimBeam]

Guess I was a few minutes late on the FSU/Miami comments.

[SP1!]

Nobody's talking about FSU & Miami.

I only remembered the game was on when I flipped to it accidentally.

I can remember when that WAS the game of the week and one of the biggest all year.

Wish they had played the Auburn/Vandy game on CBS this afternoon.

That game is on ESPN in a few minutes, but yeah 10 years ago FSU vs UM would have been huge, now its not a big deal since they most likely wont be in the ACC title hunt.

[TheGameHHH]

Pat Kuntz is my new favorite Notre Dame player.

[JimBeam]

Game you have a link to whatever " words " the Stanford guy used to fire Kuntz up ?

They mentioned it a few times but never gave specifics.

[TheGameHHH]

Game you have a link to whatever " words " the Stanford guy used to fire Kuntz up ?

They mentioned it a few times but never gave specifics.

nah, i really wasn't sure what they were talking about either. when i turned it on they were showing a clip of Kuntz at the pep rally last night talking about how he was gonna rip the Standford guys head off. im assuming the Standford dude said something in the paper that they used as bulletin board material. ill look for some sort of link

EDIT: There's no AP post game story yet, but im sure they'll mention it in the recap when it's published.

[JimBeam]

Here you go :

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/8637868/Stanford-OL-on-Notre-Dame:-'I-hate-that-school'

[JimBeam]

So the guys says this :

"They have one sack all year on 200 blitzes," said Marinelli, who predicted the Cardinal offense would "gash" Notre Dame's blitzing defense.

And then ND comes out with I think 4 sacks.

Good call on his part.

But in a sad way how far has ND fallen that we're now in verbal fights w/ guys from Stanford ?

It used to be the big schools we would talk trash with but hopefully that'll be back again in a few years.

[JimBeam]

Well this FSU/Miami game sure did take a swing.

[SP1!]

Auburn looks horrible and Im wondering if vandy found a new QB in mackenzie adams

[El Mudo]

My football team is INFURIATING


They beat Clemson and Cal, but they shit the bed against MTSU, and are currently shitting the bed against UVA, a team that lost to DUKE LAST WEEK



:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furi ous::furious::furious:

[SP1!]

My football team is INFURIATING


They beat Clemson and Cal, but they shit the bed against MTSU, and are currently shitting the bed against UVA, a team that lost to DUKE LAST WEEK



:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furi ous::furious::furious:

How long till they fire your fat guy? If they fire fulmer and friedgen in the same year the buffets on the east coast better watch out!

[El Mudo]

Well, we will be 4-2 after this game, so we only need two wins to get to a bowl, which is manageable


My feeling is, since ralph's on the other side of 60, he will stick around two more years, and then hand it over to James Franklin, the offensive coordinator


I have nothing but love for Coach Friedgen...he took over this program when it was mud, and built us into a perennial bowl team. I think he's earned the right to choose when he wants to leave.

[El Mudo]

And besides, Mark Mangino is fatter than coach Friedgen anyway


http://blogs.effinfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/mangino_t450.jpg


I would say at this point he's more comparable to Tom Amstutz

http://digitalheadbutt.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/amstutzx.jpg


I love big fat offensive geniuses

[SP1!]

Well, we will be 4-2 after this game, so we only need two wins to get to a bowl, which is manageable


My feeling is, since ralph's on the other side of 60, he will stick around two more years, and then hand it over to James Franklin, the offensive coordinator


I have nothing but love for Coach Friedgen...he took over this program when it was mud, and built us into a perennial bowl team. I think he's earned the right to choose when he wants to leave.

Yeah I guess that all depends on what you are used to, that kind of record at UGA gets you fired after 4 seasons.

[toolshed]

Well this FSU/Miami game sure did take a swing.

Nailbiter. It was great in a terrible, pee-wee football kind of way.

And FSU will be in the ACC hunt. Wake will drop at least two conference games, probably Clemson and Maryland. Noles will finally beat Clemson and roll through rest of ACC (though they are gonna get killed by Florida at the end of the season).

[Freakshow]

Hard not to feel meh after a pedestrian win over Purdue. But they were ranked at one point this year, right? And they have 6th year senior Painter at QB... Although they yanked him in the 4th quarter and the other guy led them to the TD. They loved to talk about the coach named Joe that was retiring at the end of the year. But it was Joe Tiller, of course.

I have the strangest feeling Penn State beats Michigan and Ohio State this year, but loses next week at Wisconsin. I think it still gets them a big ten title and a trip to Rose Bowl, probably against SC...

Going to be a fun season regardless. The team is already bowl elgible...

[SP1!]

Nailbiter. It was great in a terrible, pee-wee football kind of way.

And FSU will be in the ACC hunt. Wake will drop at least two conference games, probably Clemson and Maryland. Noles will finally beat Clemson and roll through rest of ACC (though they are gonna get killed by Florida at the end of the season).

I dont think FSU will be close to the ACC title, they will probably have 2 more loses in the ACC alone

[Dudeman]

My football team is INFURIATING


They beat Clemson and Cal, but they shit the bed against MTSU, and are currently shitting the bed against UVA, a team that lost to DUKE LAST WEEK



:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furi ous::furious::furious:

Maybe Cal should say- " We beat Michigan St and Arizona St, but shit the bed against Maryland (although an earily start crosscountry game...)"

[El Mudo]

They play down to the level of their opponents....its anger inducing


And I don't buy the BS about the "early start time" with the Cal game for A SECOND....When I went to Maryland, the football team was up and at breakfast every single morning by 7am, I know it because I saw it, every single morning...Not too much of a stretch to imagine Cal has a similar routine

[JimBeam]

I didn't get to see any of the Auburn/Vandy game but when I saw that the score was 13-0 I thought it was gonna be a blowout.

Glad to see Vandy come back.

One more win get's them that elusive bowl game.

Be nice for them to poop all over Tennessee at the end of the year.

[Snoogans]

anybody watchin this troy game?

[cougarjake13]

anybody watchin this troy game?

no

[SP1!]

And Auburn has officially blamed then fired their offensive coordinator

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3632904

[Snoogans]

And Auburn has officially blamed then fired their offensive coordinator

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3632904

I just saw this headline on ESPN.

I always wondered, when you fire a guy midseason and promote someone who was already there RUNNING THE SAME SYTEM THAT WAS FAILING, what does that really accomplish?

You cant get someone from the outside cause you obviously cant change the offense mid season, but why do they think this will work?

[cougarjake13]

And Auburn has officially blamed then fired their offensive coordinator

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3632904

I just saw this headline on ESPN.

I always wondered, when you fire a guy midseason and promote someone who was already there RUNNING THE SAME SYTEM THAT WAS FAILING, what does that really accomplish?

You cant get someone from the outside cause you obviously cant change the offense mid season, but why do they think this will work?



other than thinking a diff voice and a diff guy making diff decisions potentially

i dont know

[Snoogans]

other than thinking a diff voice and a diff guy making diff decisions potentially

i dont know

yea but the system is not working, its all the coaches. It means none of them were really doing well. What is promoting the QB coach gonna do when he was blowing too.


Take the rams, they fired the coach, promoted the D Coord. THEY HAVE GIVEN UP 147 POINTS ALREADY AND HE IS HEAD COACH. Is that really gonna fix the problem?

[SP1!]

yea but the system is not working, its all the coaches. It means none of them were really doing well. What is promoting the QB coach gonna do when he was blowing too.


Take the rams, they fired the coach, promoted the D Coord. THEY HAVE GIVEN UP 147 POINTS ALREADY AND HE IS HEAD COACH. Is that really gonna fix the problem?

The problem was they just inserted this guy as O-coordinator, he didnt bring in his own staff or even have any players to run the offense he wanted to run, it was a horrible move and done just to save his job which wont matter if they lose a couple more games.

And after last nights loss its starting to make clemson the winner of the biggest pretender of the pre-season polls, they look horrible and that bowden is gone as soon as the season is over.

[ozzie]

The problem was they just inserted this guy as O-coordinator, he didnt bring in his own staff or even have any players to run the offense he wanted to run, it was a horrible move and done just to save his job which wont matter if they lose a couple more games.

And after last nights loss its starting to make clemson the winner of the biggest pretender of the pre-season polls, they look horrible and that bowden is gone as soon as the season is over.

Tuberville decided that he wanted to try to run the spread, so he went out and hired the "guru" of the spread, Tony Franklin.

It would be like if he decided to get in shape, so rather than buying a bowflex and hiring a trainer, he hired the designer of the bowflex to try to teach his guys how to build their own, and use it.

The fact that Tuberville came out and said that they would continue to run the same offense is proof of this. It's embarrassing. Ensminger and Nall ran the offense in 2003... the same year that we were pre-season ranked #6, yet didn't score a touchdown until the third game. And this was with Carnell and Ronnie (and Brandon Jacobs) in the backfield with Jason Campbell. The same players that went undefeated under the "Gulf Coast Offense" with Al Borges the following year.

There's a lot of truth to the fact that the other coaches never bought in to the system, and it was therefore destined to fail. Tuberville, Nall, Ensminger, Gran and others didn't seem to give Franklin the support or tools he needed to get the job done. These guys have been together a long time, and Tuberville thought he could just bring in a coordinator, without giving him any choice of his position coaches, and have him teach the players and the coaches this system.

Obviously it hasn't been working, and after the Vandy disaster last weekend, Franklin was catching a lot of heat from fans and the press. On top of that, Tuberville put a gag order on the coordinators and wasn't allowing them to speak directly to the media. What really looked bad in that game was that in the first quarter, they scrapped the spread, and were running over Vandy the way Auburn backs have always done, and were up two touchdowns (and pissed away another opportunity at the goal line). It was when they abandoned this and went back to the shotgun and the line in two-point stances, and started switching the QB's in and out that it all went to hell. And the perception was that they ran it Tuberville's way at first until Vandy started loading the box, and let Franklin run it his way the rest of the game, and guess who was getting the blame.

By Tuesday I was reading on Rivals about how involved Franklin was in the practice. He held a meeting with the offense (evidently without any other coaches), and when they took the field, he was a wild man. He told them he was going back to the way he "used to be" (evidently before he came to AU), and he was out there coaching the quarterbacks, running routes to show the receivers, and any little mistake was met with shouts of criticism. The players actually responded well, and I heard nothing but good things from them that day, and even the defensive players were watching and impressed with his sudden hands-on involvement, and the noise level and intensity level of the offensive practice.

The rest is un-clear. Either the other position coaches whined to Tuberville, or he himself saw what was happening and stepped in. Neither is saying that there was any one incident that led to his firing, just that it wasn't working out. Both are saying that it was a mistake for him to come to Auburn, yet, Tuberville is insisting that he wants to keep this offense.

If you look at the improvement Troy made from their first year to their second, it was obvious that this was going to take some time, some hand-picked recruits, and some committment, but the payoff was undeniable. It was a mistake to think that they were going to light up the scoreboard in the first half of his first year.

I'm really worried about how this makes the current staff look to our committments. Many chose AU based on being familiar with the spread in High School, and wanting to play under Franklin's system.

Signing day isn't until February, and by then they'll have a new coordinator, so there's still time to keep these guys, but that's only if they are still committed to running the spread.

A lot of rumors are flying around about who they'll go after. Lane Kiffen's name keeps popping up on the message boards, among others. I'm not sure where they'll go from here, but the guys who will fill in for the rest of the year have been told that they are NOT candidates for the job. There will be a new coordinator hired.

[Snoogans]

Tuberville decided that he wanted to try to run the spread, so he went out and hired the "guru" of the spread, Tony Franklin.

It would be like if he decided to get in shape, so rather than buying a bowflex and hiring a trainer, he hired the designer of the bowflex to try to teach his guys how to build their own, and use it.

The fact that Tuberville came out and said that they would continue to run the same offense is proof of this. It's embarrassing. Ensminger and Nall ran the offense in 2003... the same year that we were pre-season ranked #6, yet didn't score a touchdown until the third game. And this was with Carnell and Ronnie (and Brandon Jacobs) in the backfield with Jason Campbell. The same players that went undefeated under the "Gulf Coast Offense" with Al Borges the following year.

There's a lot of truth to the fact that the other coaches never bought in to the system, and it was therefore destined to fail. Tuberville, Nall, Ensminger, Gran and others didn't seem to give Franklin the support or tools he needed to get the job done. These guys have been together a long time, and Tuberville thought he could just bring in a coordinator, without giving him any choice of his position coaches, and have him teach the players and the coaches this system.

Obviously it hasn't been working, and after the Vandy disaster last weekend, Franklin was catching a lot of heat from fans and the press. On top of that, Tuberville put a gag order on the coordinators and wasn't allowing them to speak directly to the media. What really looked bad in that game was that in the first quarter, they scrapped the spread, and were running over Vandy the way Auburn backs have always done, and were up two touchdowns (and pissed away another opportunity at the goal line). It was when they abandoned this and went back to the shotgun and the line in two-point stances, and started switching the QB's in and out that it all went to hell. And the perception was that they ran it Tuberville's way at first until Vandy started loading the box, and let Franklin run it his way the rest of the game, and guess who was getting the blame.

By Tuesday I was reading on Rivals about how involved Franklin was in the practice. He held a meeting with the offense (evidently without any other coaches), and when they took the field, he was a wild man. He told them he was going back to the way he "used to be" (evidently before he came to AU), and he was out there coaching the quarterbacks, running routes to show the receivers, and any little mistake was met with shouts of criticism. The players actually responded well, and I heard nothing but good things from them that day, and even the defensive players were watching and impressed with his sudden hands-on involvement, and the noise level and intensity level of the offensive practice.

The rest is un-clear. Either the other position coaches whined to Tuberville, or he himself saw what was happening and stepped in. Neither is saying that there was any one incident that led to his firing, just that it wasn't working out. Both are saying that it was a mistake for him to come to Auburn, yet, Tuberville is insisting that he wants to keep this offense.

If you look at the improvement Troy made from their first year to their second, it was obvious that this was going to take some time, some hand-picked recruits, and some committment, but the payoff was undeniable. It was a mistake to think that they were going to light up the scoreboard in the first half of his first year.

I'm really worried about how this makes the current staff look to our committments. Many chose AU based on being familiar with the spread in High School, and wanting to play under Franklin's system.

Signing day isn't until February, and by then they'll have a new coordinator, so there's still time to keep these guys, but that's only if they are still committed to running the spread.

A lot of rumors are flying around about who they'll go after. Lane Kiffen's name keeps popping up on the message boards, among others. I'm not sure where they'll go from here, but the guys who will fill in for the rest of the year have been told that they are NOT candidates for the job. There will be a new coordinator hired.

Lane Kiffin's name has popped up for every open NCAA job that will be coming, especially Cuse. I really hate when the media just makes the rumor up cause it might be a good fit when there is NO FOUNDATION for it

[SP1!]

Tuberville decided that he wanted to try to run the spread, so he went out and hired the "guru" of the spread, Tony Franklin.

It would be like if he decided to get in shape, so rather than buying a bowflex and hiring a trainer, he hired the designer of the bowflex to try to teach his guys how to build their own, and use it.

The fact that Tuberville came out and said that they would continue to run the same offense is proof of this. It's embarrassing. Ensminger and Nall ran the offense in 2003... the same year that we were pre-season ranked #6, yet didn't score a touchdown until the third game. And this was with Carnell and Ronnie (and Brandon Jacobs) in the backfield with Jason Campbell. The same players that went undefeated under the "Gulf Coast Offense" with Al Borges the following year.

There's a lot of truth to the fact that the other coaches never bought in to the system, and it was therefore destined to fail. Tuberville, Nall, Ensminger, Gran and others didn't seem to give Franklin the support or tools he needed to get the job done. These guys have been together a long time, and Tuberville thought he could just bring in a coordinator, without giving him any choice of his position coaches, and have him teach the players and the coaches this system.

Obviously it hasn't been working, and after the Vandy disaster last weekend, Franklin was catching a lot of heat from fans and the press. On top of that, Tuberville put a gag order on the coordinators and wasn't allowing them to speak directly to the media. What really looked bad in that game was that in the first quarter, they scrapped the spread, and were running over Vandy the way Auburn backs have always done, and were up two touchdowns (and pissed away another opportunity at the goal line). It was when they abandoned this and went back to the shotgun and the line in two-point stances, and started switching the QB's in and out that it all went to hell. And the perception was that they ran it Tuberville's way at first until Vandy started loading the box, and let Franklin run it his way the rest of the game, and guess who was getting the blame.

By Tuesday I was reading on Rivals about how involved Franklin was in the practice. He held a meeting with the offense (evidently without any other coaches), and when they took the field, he was a wild man. He told them he was going back to the way he "used to be" (evidently before he came to AU), and he was out there coaching the quarterbacks, running routes to show the receivers, and any little mistake was met with shouts of criticism. The players actually responded well, and I heard nothing but good things from them that day, and even the defensive players were watching and impressed with his sudden hands-on involvement, and the noise level and intensity level of the offensive practice.

The rest is un-clear. Either the other position coaches whined to Tuberville, or he himself saw what was happening and stepped in. Neither is saying that there was any one incident that led to his firing, just that it wasn't working out. Both are saying that it was a mistake for him to come to Auburn, yet, Tuberville is insisting that he wants to keep this offense.

If you look at the improvement Troy made from their first year to their second, it was obvious that this was going to take some time, some hand-picked recruits, and some committment, but the payoff was undeniable. It was a mistake to think that they were going to light up the scoreboard in the first half of his first year.

I'm really worried about how this makes the current staff look to our committments. Many chose AU based on being familiar with the spread in High School, and wanting to play under Franklin's system.

Signing day isn't until February, and by then they'll have a new coordinator, so there's still time to keep these guys, but that's only if they are still committed to running the spread.

A lot of rumors are flying around about who they'll go after. Lane Kiffen's name keeps popping up on the message boards, among others. I'm not sure where they'll go from here, but the guys who will fill in for the rest of the year have been told that they are NOT candidates for the job. There will be a new coordinator hired.

There is a reason why other coaches hate him, he took all the nuances of the spread offense and put them on tape so every coach that wanted to run it could just order his course. He has made a shitload of money by selling those DVD/tapes to high school and college coaching staffs around the country so there is quite a bit of animosity towards him from coaches, the NCAA even forced him to relinquish ownership of his company so he could take that job.

Also the players that auburn had werent exactly spread players and if the rest of the coaching staff is going to undermine you then he really wasnt in charge of the offense. Auburn fans should be pissed at tuberville and shove him out the door as quickly as possible, they may end up being .500 or worse.

[ozzie]

There is a reason why other coaches hate him, he took all the nuances of the spread offense and put them on tape so every coach that wanted to run it could just order his course. He has made a shitload of money by selling those DVD/tapes to high school and college coaching staffs around the country so there is quite a bit of animosity towards him from coaches, the NCAA even forced him to relinquish ownership of his company so he could take that job.

Also the players that auburn had werent exactly spread players and if the rest of the coaching staff is going to undermine you then he really wasnt in charge of the offense. Auburn fans should be pissed at tuberville and shove him out the door as quickly as possible, they may end up being .500 or worse.

Fans seem to be split on keeping Tuberville. I'm torn myself. He's gotten out of some bad years by firing coordinators (and not really explaining himself on this latest move), and he's not very good at taking responsibility for losses sometimes.

On the other hand, the 10 years he's been there have been some of our most successful, and he runs a clean program, and is a pretty good recruiter. He's pulled a lot of big wins over highly ranked teams (the only team to beat Florida in '06 went a long way, and again last year), and kept us in the rankings and major bowls most years (which = $$$ for the people he reports to)... but there's also been a lot of missed recruits (Phillip Rivers, Pat White, etc.), bad losses to average teams, and wasted talent.

If I knew there was a better option, I'd be on the side to get rid of him, but I'm not sure who they could get to replace him. There are definitely better "x's and o's" football coaches out there, but you also have to be able to recruit this area and know how to run a program, both of which he does very well. And he represents the school well, which is a bonus to the people who actually make these decisions.

It's ironic that all this is happening the week that Tuberville is facing Petrino for the first time since "Jetgate" in '03, when Auburn reps were caught flying to Louisville to interview Petrino (who was the O-coordinator at AU) for the head coaching job while Tuberville was still the head coach. Hell, he was in Arkansas on a "hunting trip" just last year while they were interviewing coaches for the Razorback job.

If they end up .500 (which would mean losing 4 of last 6), there'll be no one left to blame but him. I'm not sure if that alone would cost him his job, but I do know that if this team doesn't rally around him (some are speculating that he's lost the confidence of his players), and they shit the bed the rest of the way out, he'd likely be out.

Knowing how forgiving our fans and boosters are, if they can knock off a highly ranked Georgia team, or especially, if they could beat Bama for the 7th straight year, and if he can land a whale of a coordinator, and lands a top 10 recruiting class (which they have the chance to do)... he might just stick around for a while.

[Snoogans]

So who you guys pickin in the Red River Rivalry


I think its gonna be a tight game, but ultimately Oklahoma pulls this one out, staying unbeaten and number 1 until they play a lesser opponent and blow one, like they, and USC always do

[SP1!]

So who you guys pickin in the Red River Rivalry


I think its gonna be a tight game, but ultimately Oklahoma pulls this one out, staying unbeaten and number 1 until they play a lesser opponent and blow one, like they, and USC always do

Wow, thats the only decent game on today. I think Texas wins, I dont know why I just do.
UGA/UT is on, but it should be an easy win for UGA since UT is horrible.

[Snoogans]

Mike Teel is the worst QB in the history of Football, sans Joe Namath

[disneyspy]

michigan in a tight game
LETS GO BLUE!

[Snoogans]

i might put Kordell Young in at QB after seeing that. WOW. Got drilled and put it right on the money.

[JimBeam]

I've seen 2 of the worst calls ever in this Texas/Oklahoma game.

Earlier they called roughing the passer against OU when the CB basically two-hand touched McCoy after a pass and he fell down on the sidelines.

Now OU clrealy intercepts a ball in the end zone but they don't rule it a pick and Texas kicks the FG to take the lead.

What's horrible is that the replay booth said the guy was losing the ball as he fell to the ground but the replay that they are showing on TV doesn't show him lose the ball until he hits the ground.

I don't care who wins this game but that's a shit call.

I know that the ref and uoms are humans and miss calls sometimes but they have to be reprimanded more when they get something wrong to make them a little more accountable.

[TheGameHHH]

I've seen 2 of the worst calls ever in this Texas/Oklahoma game.

Earlier they called roughing the passer against OU when the CB basically two-hand touched McCoy after a pass and he fell down on the sidelines.

Now OU clrealy intercepts a ball in the end zone but they don't rule it a pick and Texas kicks the FG to take the lead.

What's horrible is that the replay booth said the guy was losing the ball as he fell to the ground but the replay that they are showing on TV doesn't show him lose the ball until he hits the ground.

I don't care who wins this game but that's a shit call.

I know that the ref and uoms are humans and miss calls sometimes but they have to be reprimanded more when they get something wrong to make them a little more accountable.

and they just made a 3rd shitty call with the punter.

[JimBeam]

I flipped away and didn't see that.

Refs have hard far too much imfluence on this game that could very well decide a national championship.

[TheGameHHH]

I flipped away and didn't see that.

Refs have hard far too much imfluence on this game that could very well decide a national championship.

it was worse then McCoy's flop, the OU punter put on an Oscar worthy performance. i think the fabric of his shirt hit the fabric of a Texas guys jersey.

[JimBeam]

Just saw it.

That was a bad call.

[weekapaugjz]

im looking forward to 8:00. three good games on. penn state/wisconsin, lsu/florida, and ok state/missouri. ill be flipping between all three.

let's go penn state. fuck wisconsin!

[Snoogans]

im looking forward to 8:00. three good games on. penn state/wisconsin, lsu/florida, and ok state/missouri. ill be flipping between all three.

let's go penn state. fuck wisconsin!

i would be behind this statement if penn state wasnt in the big ten

FUCK THE BIG TEN. Somehow end in a tie

[weekapaugjz]

whats wrong with the big 10?

[Snoogans]

whats wrong with the big 10?

its boring and, for some reason, the media VASTLY over rates almost the entire conference every year. People are on their dicks all the time even though they always choke in big games. Fuck the Big Ten.

If it wasn't for Bo Ryan, every single thing about the conference would be dogshit

[weekapaugjz]

penn state looked really solid again tonight. with oklahoma, missouri, and lsu losing they are going to move up into the top three, possibly even into the 2 spot over bama who had a bye.

michigan next week, ohio state the week after, then michigan state a few weeks later. if they run the table it looks like they will be in the hunt for the national championship. the ohio state game will be a real tough game.

[pennington]

Mike Teel is the worst QB in the history of Football, sans Joe Namath

No love for Namath?

Is there any reason at this point to not bench Teel? This season is done, Teel has zero chance of a pro career. Why not think ahead and give next year's QB some experience?

Schiano has just dug his heels in at this point and is determined to stick with Teel. Yes, I know he's not the only problem with the offense but let's face facts. The defense has been decent all season (except in the NC game, of course). It makes no sense.

[El Mudo]

its boring and, for some reason, the media VASTLY over rates almost the entire conference every year. People are on their dicks all the time even though they always choke in big games. Fuck the Big Ten.

If it wasn't for Bo Ryan, every single thing about the conference would be dogshit



ESPN has the Big 10 contract, and most of their analysts are Big 10 guys...therefore to them the Big 10 = Greatest Conference Ever.

I despise the Big 10

[SP1!]

ESPN has the Big 10 contract, and most of their analysts are Big 10 guys...therefore to them the Big 10 = Greatest Conference Ever.

I despise the Big 10

Thats not true, ESPN has the contract for SEC games and gets alternating first picks with CBS, they just talk up the Big 10 because they usually have good teams year in year out.

But this year they are down big time, I would say the big east is down but they are usually bad and were only good for a couple of years, now they are back where they belong. Soon rutgers head coach is going to regret not moving on, the talent level just doesnt stay near home, fuck if you had a choice to stay miserable up in the NE or move with free room and board to a nice warm state with hot women, what would you choose?

We can all point and laugh at ND losing to north carolina though

[JimBeam]

I'm not sure why Texas jumped over Alabama to get the #1 spot.

Because they beat a possibly overrated Oklahoma team ?

Sure they played well and fought back in a game against a team that had been undefeated but maybe it just means they got their 1st loss when they actually played a good team.

I think Bama's win over UGA was a lot more dominant.

It was the biggest leap in the polls since Miami jumped from #6 to #1 back in 1988 I think.

Surely not worthy of that at least so far.

I heard an interview w/ McCoy and he seems like a pretty classy kid. Mentioned in his discussion that both Sam Bradford and Chase Daniel were great players.

Did anybody catch College Scoreboard Final ( or whatever it's called ) w/ Lou Holtz & Mark May ?

They do that bit where they present their case like in a courtroom and the host ( the question was " Should Tebow now after a big win be considered the best QB in the country as opposed to Colt McCoy ? " ), who's name I'm forgetting, ruled in favor of Mark May.

Holtz lost his shit. It was great.

Holtz's point was that using Tebow's great year last year as a barometer of how good he is this year is unfair. He pointed out the obvious that Tebow's been playing against better defenses so far and that McCoy shouldn't get the edge for winning one game.

I guess they lost track of when the bit was being filmed because May walks off screen and Holtz continues to bitch to the host. He even uses some colorful language.

Later at the end of the show he apologizes for using questionable language as he thought the cameras were off.

Good stuff.

[cougarjake13]

I'm not sure why Texas jumped over Alabama to get the #1 spot.

Because they beat a possibly overrated Oklahoma team ?

Sure they played well and fought back in a game against a team that had been undefeated but maybe it just means they got their 1st loss when they actually played a good team.

I think Bama's win over UGA was a lot more dominant.

It was the biggest leap in the polls since Miami jumped from #6 to #1 back in 1988 I think.






other than the fact that bama had no game and the polls felt they couldnt move an idle team into the top spot i have no idea

[JimBeam]

There's more than enough time for it to all get worked out but still seems like a shit deal for Bama.

[Snoogans]

Thats not true, ESPN has the contract for SEC games and gets alternating first picks with CBS, they just talk up the Big 10 because they usually have good teams year in year out.

But this year they are down big time, I would say the big east is down but they are usually bad and were only good for a couple of years, now they are back where they belong. Soon rutgers head coach is going to regret not moving on, the talent level just doesnt stay near home, fuck if you had a choice to stay miserable up in the NE or move with free room and board to a nice warm state with hot women, what would you choose?

We can all point and laugh at ND losing to north carolina though

this is a very incorrect statement. Schiano has recruited awesome the last few years. Even this year, they are set to have the best recruiting year if kids dont back out. Thats why its so baffling to watch Rutgers lose games like this, cause they actually have alot of talent. Except at the QB position.


And trust me, Rutgers could finish 1-11, and Schiano would still have job offers. Shit is weird like that

And why laugh at ND. They played well against a team thats ranked. Its not like UNC is Duke

[vagina envy]

If any team is overrated its Notre Dame. No matter how bad they stink they are still discussed every week in detail. They are unimpressive year in and year out but still ESPN rides their jock each and every week. There is also no reason that Lou Holtz should be allowed in front of a camera or microphone. He a bias douche with speech impediment. Fuck ND.

[PhilDeez]

Thats not true, ESPN has the contract for SEC games and gets alternating first picks with CBS, they just talk up the Big 10 because they usually have good teams year in year out.

But this year they are down big time, I would say the big east is down but they are usually bad and were only good for a couple of years, now they are back where they belong. Soon rutgers head coach is going to regret not moving on, the talent level just doesnt stay near home, fuck if you had a choice to stay miserable up in the NE or move with free room and board to a nice warm state with hot women, what would you choose?

We can all point and laugh at ND losing to north carolina though

Have you ever watched ESPN and ESPN2 at 12 noon on Saturday - every week they broadcast Big Ten games. You are correct they get the second pick to CBS for the SEC.

I hate ND, but UNC was supposed to win that game.

[Snoogans]

If any team is overrated its Notre Dame. No matter how bad they stink they are still discussed every week in detail. They are unimpressive year in and year out but still ESPN rides their jock each and every week. There is also no reason that Lou Holtz should be allowed in front of a camera or microphone. He a bias douche with speech impediment. Fuck ND.

being that this was the first time they were ever 4-1 and not ranked, no they arent overrated. They get talked about caus ethey have the most fans and so thats what most wanna see

[PhilDeez]

There's more than enough time for it to all get worked out but still seems like a shit deal for Bama.

It doesn't matter at all right now. The only teams that need to be concerned about position right now is Penn St and USC - they do not have a conference championship to make, or break them, later in the season. If Texas and Bama run the table, they are in and who is 1 or 2 doesn't matter.
On a side note, the Texas win was much bigger than Bama over Georgia. yes Bama worked a possibly overrated Georgia team - to use your same arguement, but the Texas/Oklahoma game is the biggest game for both each year. Statisically it is hard to use the arguement Oklahoma was overrated, also Oklahoma threw their best effort at Texas and Texas beat them. You could say Georgia layed down and lost rather than Bama beating them.

[TheGameHHH]

this is a very incorrect statement. Schiano has recruited awesome the last few years. Even this year, they are set to have the best recruiting year if kids dont back out. Thats why its so baffling to watch Rutgers lose games like this, cause they actually have alot of talent. Except at the QB position.


And trust me, Rutgers could finish 1-11, and Schiano would still have job offers. Shit is weird like that

And why laugh at ND. They played well against a team thats ranked. Its not like UNC is Duke

where can we find the recruiting rankings? every year i hear at least 9-10 schools claim they have the best recruiting class in the nation.

[PhilDeez]

where can we find the recruiting rankings? every year i hear at least 9-10 schools claim they have the best recruiting class in the nation.

rivals.com

[Snoogans]

where can we find the recruiting rankings? every year i hear at least 9-10 schools claim they have the best recruiting class in the nation.

i said best classes the school has ever had. Not in the country. Moist of what i get is off Scouts.com

edit: sorry i didnt say actually, but i meant the schools best recruiting year, not the nation


right now rutgers has 19 verbals, 5 of them 4 stars, one an elite 11 QB

[TheGameHHH]

i said best classes the school has ever had. Not in the country. Moist of what i get is off Scouts.com

edit: sorry i didnt say actually, but i meant the schools best recruiting year, not the nation


right now rutgers has 19 verbals, 5 of them 4 stars, one an elite 11 QB

no, i got what you meant. i wasnt tryin to be a dick and/or call you out or anything. i was seriously curious because i always here people say "X" school has the best recruiting class in the nation and it's always a different school they name so i wanted to find a place where i could actually see rankings.

[Snoogans]

no, i got what you meant. i wasnt tryin to be a dick and/or call you out or anything. i was seriously curious because i always here people say "X" school has the best recruiting class in the nation and it's always a different school they name so i wanted to find a place where i could actually see rankings.

scout or scouts.com not sure, or rivals.com

ESPN also has shit about it in the RISE section but its not as good

[PhilDeez]

no, i got what you meant. i wasnt tryin to be a dick and/or call you out or anything. i was seriously curious because i always here people say "X" school has the best recruiting class in the nation and it's always a different school they name so i wanted to find a place where i could actually see rankings.

Here is the actual link: http://http://rivals100.rivals.com/teamrank.asp?SID=880 (http://rivals100.rivals.com/teamrank.asp?SID=880)

[TheGameHHH]

Here is the actual link: http://http://rivals100.rivals.com/teamrank.asp?SID=880 (http://rivals100.rivals.com/teamrank.asp?SID=880)

thanks, that site is pretty badass. that link is for 2009 right? is there a place where u can see how the 2008 recruits have panned out? or the 2007 guys?

[cougarjake13]

thanks, that site is pretty badass. that link is for 2009 right? is there a place where u can see how the 2008 recruits have panned out? or the 2007 guys?

man you want everything huh ??


im sure theres a site

[TheGameHHH]

man you want everything huh ??


im sure theres a site

im a prissy little bitch, i demand things and i expect results.

[PhilDeez]

thanks, that site is pretty badass. that link is for 2009 right? is there a place where u can see how the 2008 recruits have panned out? or the 2007 guys?

You can change the year on a drop down menu and go back for example to 08 and view the recruits that signed and are on the team and playing this year.

[JimBeam]

Interesting little article about Nebraska :

During the past seven seasons, 63 of the 65 BCS conference teams have beaten a team ranked higher than 20th in the AP poll. Indiana and Syracuse have done it. Iowa State and Washington State have done it. Stanford, Vanderbilt and even Baylor have done it. Just two teams have not.
One of them is the Duke Blue Devils, and that should come as no surprise to anyone who has followed college football at any point in the past 70 years. But the other? Oh, the other is a whole different story altogether. That second team is the mighty Nebraska Cornhuskers, a program that is steeped in tradition and ruled most of the 1990s with an iron fist. Unless you're a faithful reader of the Omaha World-Herald, it's unlikely you guessed that one.

But it's true. Since beating old rival Oklahoma in a No. 2 vs. No. 3 showdown in October 2001, Nebraska's highest-ranked victim has been No. 20 Michigan in the 2005 Alamo Bowl. So, starting with a 62-36 wipeout at the hands of Colorado on Thanksgiving weekend seven years ago, the Huskers are 0-19 against the top 19. Let that one sink in for a second: Nebraska and Duke are the only two major conference teams that can't beat a team ranked higher than 20th.

Some (Oregon and Colorado fans come to mind) might argue that karma is coming back to get the Huskers after they sneaked into the 2001 national title game even though they didn't reach the Big 12 title game. Whatever the case may be, the streak -- one that spans the tenures of three different head coaches -- is no fluke. Saturday's close loss at Texas Tech was more the exception than the rule. In those 19 losses, the average score has been 37-19.

[SP1!]

i said best classes the school has ever had. Not in the country. Moist of what i get is off Scouts.com

edit: sorry i didnt say actually, but i meant the schools best recruiting year, not the nation


right now rutgers has 19 verbals, 5 of them 4 stars, one an elite 11 QB

Yes I know they have some of their best recruiting classes but those 4 star recruits are 5 stars at the bigger schools with the 4 stars as their back ups, and the verbals may very well back out if they look this bad. Until they sign its useless to count them as going to school there.

Im almost thinking that schiano will be on clemson, auburns, and tennessee's short list after they fire their coaches, bowden is gone so he will be getting calls. As well as skip holtz from east carolina, they will both most likely be talked to about job openings and I think that if shiano is offered a team in the SEC he jumps.

[Snoogans]

Yes I know they have some of their best recruiting classes but those 4 star recruits are 5 stars at the bigger schools with the 4 stars as their back ups, and the verbals may very well back out if they look this bad. Until they sign its useless to count them as going to school there.

Im almost thinking that schiano will be on clemson, auburns, and tennessee's short list after they fire their coaches, bowden is gone so he will be getting calls. As well as skip holtz from east carolina, they will both most likely be talked to about job openings and I think that if shiano is offered a team in the SEC he jumps.

FIRED

[SP1!]

FIRED
Yes, that was my point here...........
bowden is gone so he will be getting calls.

Rutgers will most likely be looking for a new coach come the end of the year once he jumps to an SEC team.

[Freakshow]

its boring and, for some reason, the media VASTLY over rates almost the entire conference every year. People are on their dicks all the time even though they always choke in big games. Fuck the Big Ten.

If it wasn't for Bo Ryan, every single thing about the conference would be dogshit

I find to hard to believe you have watched a single second of Penn State football this year if you think it's boring.

[Snoogans]

I find to hard to believe you have watched a single second of Penn State football this year if you think it's boring.

i have, and thats 1 exception 1 year to an 11 team conf. As a whole, big ten is ass

[Freakshow]

i have, and thats 1 exception 1 year to an 11 team conf. As a whole, big ten is ass

I love how people take 2 games and write off a whole conference. Sure Ohio State couldn't hang with USC, and looked a little bad against LSU. But they hung with Vince Young's Texas team for two years (when basically 1 other team could). They beat one of the greatest college football teams of all time in the Fiesta Bowl in Miami in '02.

It's so convienient to forget the Arkansas team that was couple of plays from playing in the NC title game two years ago (instead of Florida) turned around and lost their bowl game to Wisconsin...

I could go on.

[pennington]

Rutgers will most likely be looking for a new coach come the end of the year once he jumps to an SEC team.

Schiano isn't going anywhere and Rutgers won't fire him. Besides his 10 year contract, they have no one to replace him with. If he was going to leave on his own, he would have gone to Michigan.

From what I hear from someone I know who works for Rutgers, it's Schiano's wife who doesn't want to move. Period. She's doesn't want to be away from her family, who live in NJ. Also, she has her big new house they just built, which the University "lent" them the money for and which they are forgiving at the rate of $100,000 a year.

The good news is Teel will not be back next year.

[ozzie]

Yes I know they have some of their best recruiting classes but those 4 star recruits are 5 stars at the bigger schools with the 4 stars as their back ups, and the verbals may very well back out if they look this bad. Until they sign its useless to count them as going to school there.

Sometimes being able to offer immediate playing time, and/or a chance to be a 3 or 4 year starter, is attractive to big time recruits.

Just ask Nick Saban. He used this to snag the #1 class (according to Rivals) last year, coming off of a 7-6 year, which including losing their last 4 regular season games.

[PhilDeez]

Schiano isn't going anywhere and Rutgers won't fire him. Besides his 10 year contract, they have no one to replace him with. If he was going to leave on his own, he would have gone to Michigan.

From what I hear from someone I know who works for Rutgers, it's Schiano's wife who doesn't want to move. Period. She's doesn't want to be away from her family, who live in NJ. Also, she has her big new house they just built, which the University "lent" them the money for and which they are forgiving at the rate of $100,000 a year.

The good news is Teel will not be back next year.

I thought it was pretty evident that Schiano was holding out for Penn St. once Joe Pa hangs it up. After this season, that might not be the slam dunk he was hoping for.

[Snoogans]

I love how people take 2 games and write off a whole conference. Sure Ohio State couldn't hang with USC, and looked a little bad against LSU. But they hung with Vince Young's Texas team for two years (when basically 1 other team could). They beat one of the greatest college football teams of all time in the Fiesta Bowl in Miami in '02.

It's so convienient to forget the Arkansas team that was couple of plays from playing in the NC title game two years ago (instead of Florida) turned around and lost their bowl game to Wisconsin...

I could go on.

im not talking just this year. this is every fuckin year now, you guys get pumped up and then choke like ass out of conference.

[Snoogans]

Sometimes being able to offer immediate playing time, and/or a chance to be a 3 or 4 year starter, is attractive to big time recruits.

Just ask Nick Saban. He used this to snag the #1 class (according to Rivals) last year, coming off of a 7-6 year, which including losing their last 4 regular season games.

yea but Piscataway is a shit hole. The facilities are amazing, but as soon as you leave the property, you dont wanna be there. Its tough enough to get kids to play there when you are good

[Freakshow]

im not talking just this year. this is every fuckin year now, you guys get pumped up and then choke like ass out of conference.

yeah, if you read my post, you'd see I wasn't just talking this year either. I mentioned 06, 05, 02...

And PSU isn't Michigan (a popular big ten joke is Why is Michigan like weed? They both get smoked in bowls--and even they beat Florida in their bowl game last year), Lions are 8-2 in their last 10 bowl games. Wins over Stephen Davis' Auburn team (in the Outback bowl), Tim Couch's Kentucky team (also Outback), A Texas team featuring Ricky Williams and Priest Holmes (Fiesta) among others.

[Snoogans]

yeah, if you read my post, you'd see I wasn't just talking this year either. I mentioned 06, 05, 02...

And PSU isn't Michigan (a popular big ten joke is Why is Michigan like weed? They both get smoked in bowls--and even they beat Florida in their bowl game last year), Lions are 8-2 in their last 10 bowl games. Wins over Stephen Davis' Auburn team (in the Outback bowl), Tim Couch's Kentucky team (also Outback), A Texas team featuring Ricky Williams and Priest Holmes (Fiesta) among others.

i know you love pennstate. But OSU, Mich, Minn, Northwestern, Iowa Iowa state, mich st, wisconsin, ALL ASS

[SP1!]

Schiano isn't going anywhere and Rutgers won't fire him. Besides his 10 year contract, they have no one to replace him with. If he was going to leave on his own, he would have gone to Michigan.

From what I hear from someone I know who works for Rutgers, it's Schiano's wife who doesn't want to move. Period. She's doesn't want to be away from her family, who live in NJ. Also, she has her big new house they just built, which the University "lent" them the money for and which they are forgiving at the rate of $100,000 a year.

The good news is Teel will not be back next year.
Yeah those contracts dont mean shit and Im sure his wife wont give a shit if a school doubles his salary, then gives him hundreds of thousands more with endorsement deals and TV/radio contracts.

Sometimes being able to offer immediate playing time, and/or a chance to be a 3 or 4 year starter, is attractive to big time recruits.

Just ask Nick Saban. He used this to snag the #1 class (according to Rivals) last year, coming off of a 7-6 year, which including losing their last 4 regular season games.
Ok, thats Saban and he is at alabama, although I hate them they do have a better tradition and more of an endowment to upgrade all their facilities, where rutgers has shit facilities and had to spend hundreds of thousands just to get it up to 1990 standards.

yea but Piscataway is a shit hole. The facilities are amazing, but as soon as you leave the property, you dont wanna be there. Its tough enough to get kids to play there when you are good
They are amazing now, just because he got them to upgrade them. But you are right that most players just wont want to stay there because the area is shit and those facilities(while nice) do not compare to most SEC schools with their multi-million dollar endowments they use to upgrade and throw parties for the players.

[ozzie]

Ok, thats Saban and he is at alabama, although I hate them they do have a better tradition and more of an endowment to upgrade all their facilities, where rutgers has shit facilities and had to spend hundreds of thousands just to get it up to 1990 standards.

You and I know about the "tradition" at Bama, but that program was crap when most of their recruits were old enough to pay attention. Shula couldn't recruit there on tradition alone. Saban was able to land Julio Jones and a lot of others by being able to offer them immediate playing time their true freshman year, without having to redshirt. Not too many other SEC schools could offer the same thing.

And Snoogans, trust me, if the SEC can get players to come to most of their remote "towns", then Rutgers can't use that as an excuse. There is NOTHING immediately outside of Auburn, Tuscaloosa, Fayetteville, Oxford, Starkville, etc.

When I saw the interest that Rutgers got, not only Nationally, but more importantly, from the New York media when they started out undefeated and were knocking off ranked teams, I was thinking that this was just the start of a powerhouse in the making up there.

Obviously you know it a hell of a lot better than I do, but really... who are you competing against for recruits in the area that can offer more than Rutgers can? I'm not talking about recruiting nationally necessarily, but Rutgers should be owning the recruits within driving distance.

For my money, if you want to go pro, you would get a hell of a lot more national attention putting up huge numbers for Rutgers (like Ray Rice did), than you would at UConn, Syracuse, or any other BCS school in the area. I figured Schiano had a pretty easy sell when he was in a prospect's living room with their parents. Being able to keep their kids in the area, and get them the national exposure, and a great education?

Seems like that program should be selling itself by now, but this is a total outsider's opinion.

[SP1!]

Yeah I dont see it that way ozzie, they get very little coverage if they arent winning everything and forget about national coverage in the media since ESPN only really recognized the SEC, PAC 10, Big 12, and Big 12.

All they have to do is tell them we got the inside track to getting you into the NFL son and its all over, rutgers gets NY coverage but you let the Mets, Yankees, Giants, Jets, Devils, Rangers, Islanders, Nets, or Knicks have a good season and they see that coverage drop drastically.

As popular as pro football is up north, college football is 10 times more popular down south, also after playing at their college those guys almost get a free ticket from rich alumni if they are even half decent after they graduate.

[Snoogans]

You and I know about the "tradition" at Bama, but that program was crap when most of their recruits were old enough to pay attention. Shula couldn't recruit there on tradition alone. Saban was able to land Julio Jones and a lot of others by being able to offer them immediate playing time their true freshman year, without having to redshirt. Not too many other SEC schools could offer the same thing.

And Snoogans, trust me, if the SEC can get players to come to most of their remote "towns", then Rutgers can't use that as an excuse. There is NOTHING immediately outside of Auburn, Tuscaloosa, Fayetteville, Oxford, Starkville, etc.

When I saw the interest that Rutgers got, not only Nationally, but more importantly, from the New York media when they started out undefeated and were knocking off ranked teams, I was thinking that this was just the start of a powerhouse in the making up there.

Obviously you know it a hell of a lot better than I do, but really... who are you competing against for recruits in the area that can offer more than Rutgers can? I'm not talking about recruiting nationally necessarily, but Rutgers should be owning the recruits within driving distance.

For my money, if you want to go pro, you would get a hell of a lot more national attention putting up huge numbers for Rutgers (like Ray Rice did), than you would at UConn, Syracuse, or any other BCS school in the area. I figured Schiano had a pretty easy sell when he was in a prospect's living room with their parents. Being able to keep their kids in the area, and get them the national exposure, and a great education?

Seems like that program should be selling itself by now, but this is a total outsider's opinion.
i understand this, but in piscataway, you might get fuckin robbed not nice area. Not boring and nothing to do. THere is tons to do, but just duck when you hear the pops

[ozzie]

i understand this, but in piscataway, you might get fuckin robbed not nice area. Not boring and nothing to do. THere is tons to do, but just duck when you hear the pops

Ok, I understand this, but again, who is Rutgers competing against for recruits from the area? And what do they have to offer that Rutgers doesn't?

And yeah, the difference in the popularity of college sports in the southeast is unquestioned, and the coverage of Rutgers has dropped this year after the blowout by North Carolina on National TV... but I'm telling you, when they were undefeated, ESPN and the national media were all over them, and, from an outsiders view, it seemed that the city of New York had "Scarlet Fever" that year, and they were making front page news on the papers, which made even Notre Dame loving Regis talking about them.

The Big East might not have the big Saturday afternoon TV deals that other conferences do, but ESPN always finds a way to get their big games on. And don't knock the Thursday night games. They're becoming as popular as Monday Night Football around here. Every bar and restaurant with a TV has the game on, and you get the entire nation watching your team play.

The Louisville @ Rutgers game Dec 4th will be on ESPN (Thurs Nite), and I don't care what their records are at that point, college football fans around the nation will watch.

[Freakshow]

i know you love pennstate. But OSU, Mich, Minn, Northwestern, Iowa Iowa state, mich st, wisconsin, ALL ASS

iowa state is in the big 12.

Michigan state is 6-1 and ranked in the top 20. minnesota and northwestern have only 1 loss are receiving votes.

the big 12 was ass the year Texas played USC and the undefeated team from the shit conferenece took out espn's darling Trojans. I don't think comparing conferences gets you anywhere. And undefeated Penn State makes the BCS no matter what. And if they lose one along the way then the conferences is as hopeless as you say it is.

[SP1!]

Ok, I understand this, but again, who is Rutgers competing against for recruits from the area? And what do they have to offer that Rutgers doesn't?

And yeah, the difference in the popularity of college sports in the southeast is unquestioned, and the coverage of Rutgers has dropped this year after the blowout by North Carolina on National TV... but I'm telling you, when they were undefeated, ESPN and the national media were all over them, and, from an outsiders view, it seemed that the city of New York had "Scarlet Fever" that year, and they were making front page news on the papers, which made even Notre Dame loving Regis talking about them.

The Big East might not have the big Saturday afternoon TV deals that other conferences do, but ESPN always finds a way to get their big games on. And don't knock the Thursday night games. They're becoming as popular as Monday Night Football around here. Every bar and restaurant with a TV has the game on, and you get the entire nation watching your team play.

The Louisville @ Rutgers game Dec 4th will be on ESPN (Thurs Nite), and I don't care what their records are at that point, college football fans around the nation will watch.

Ummmmm Knowshon? NJ area graduate and if he gets healed up hes a heisman trophy candidate, now he would still be the star of a rutgers team but hes at UGA instead, why? Well because of the nicer weather and hotter women, also the amenities are a lot better down here and they get perks paid for by the alumni like parties. I havent seen an all big east game on ESPN since rutgers run, most of them are on the alternate channels nationally so they are rarely seen. And of course everyone will be watching thursday night games its supposed to be a showcase for your conference since its the only game on and college football is really popular right now.

[Snoogans]

Ok, I understand this, but again, who is Rutgers competing against for recruits from the area? And what do they have to offer that Rutgers doesn't?

And yeah, the difference in the popularity of college sports in the southeast is unquestioned, and the coverage of Rutgers has dropped this year after the blowout by North Carolina on National TV... but I'm telling you, when they were undefeated, ESPN and the national media were all over them, and, from an outsiders view, it seemed that the city of New York had "Scarlet Fever" that year, and they were making front page news on the papers, which made even Notre Dame loving Regis talking about them.

The Big East might not have the big Saturday afternoon TV deals that other conferences do, but ESPN always finds a way to get their big games on. And don't knock the Thursday night games. They're becoming as popular as Monday Night Football around here. Every bar and restaurant with a TV has the game on, and you get the entire nation watching your team play.

The Louisville @ Rutgers game Dec 4th will be on ESPN (Thurs Nite), and I don't care what their records are at that point, college football fans around the nation will watch.

Believe it or not, NJ is usually a top 10-15 state in recruits, they get a TON of schools down here.

The main ones are the ACC schools that left like Va Tech and BC, Maryland comes up here, Penn State comes here, West Virginia, Most of the schools from Virginia and North Carolina. Also the coaches change things.

Rutgers goes alot more after kids from Florida with Schiano. It really depends. But even still, picture this.

You grew up in NJ, you are an awesome recruit. You have now been offered the chance to play in Piscataway, NJ, or go play in some beautiful place like Miami or So Cal or something like that. Why would you stay? The fact that he has been pulling any kids from Jersey is impressive considering nobody wants to be in the area Rutgers is in. Even this one kid from Piscataway HS took months to convince to come there

[Snoogans]

iowa state is in the big 12.

Michigan state is 6-1 and ranked in the top 20. minnesota and northwestern have only 1 loss are receiving votes.

the big 12 was ass the year Texas played USC and the undefeated team from the shit conferenece took out espn's darling Trojans. I don't think comparing conferences gets you anywhere. And undefeated Penn State makes the BCS no matter what. And if they lose one along the way then the conferences is as hopeless as you say it is.

you are making points against what i have said. Of course they are gonna have a team or 2 every year having good years, they have major programs. The games, overall, arent really excited and the teams, overall, are vasty overrated. EVERY YEAR. PERIOD

[Freakshow]

i love arguing with you Snoogans....


I watched a georgia-south carolina 14-7 game this year that was a complete snorefest.

There are 5 teams in the Big Ten running spread offenses now. But I suppose you find that boring, too.

[Snoogans]

i love arguing with you Snoogans....


I watched a georgia-south carolina 14-7 game this year that was a complete snorefest.

There are 5 teams in the Big Ten running spread offenses now. But I suppose you find that boring, too.

Look i get your point, mostly Im just tryin to rile you up. But you cant tell me watching Ohio State vs Wisconsin is full of excitment. Watching the Big ten is like watching a Jets game, sure you will see some good teams play sometimes, but you still have to sit through the Jets.


And you don't have to convince anyone to hate South Carolina. Thats easy. The SEC overall has been somewhat dissapointing this year. Esp since Vandy had to go lose

[ozzie]

Believe it or not, NJ is usually a top 10-15 state in recruits, they get a TON of schools down here.

The main ones are the ACC schools that left like Va Tech and BC, Maryland comes up here, Penn State comes here, West Virginia, Most of the schools from Virginia and North Carolina. Also the coaches change things.

Rutgers goes alot more after kids from Florida with Schiano. It really depends. But even still, picture this.

You grew up in NJ, you are an awesome recruit. You have now been offered the chance to play in Piscataway, NJ, or go play in some beautiful place like Miami or So Cal or something like that. Why would you stay? The fact that he has been pulling any kids from Jersey is impressive considering nobody wants to be in the area Rutgers is in. Even this one kid from Piscataway HS took months to convince to come there

No offense to the Northeast, but I'd say that over 95% of the rosters of the SEC teams are kids from south of the Mason-Dixon line.

Auburn has ONE... Ben Tate (MD), and it took some huge HS numbers to get their attention.

Yeah, Knowshon and Kade Weston went to UGA from NJ, but they only have two other players that come from the North. 4 out of 80+ scholarship players, that's not a lot.

Florida snagged an O-line and D-line player from NJ, and have 3 others from the NE (MD, PA, CT), but that's about it. Again, 5 total from over 80.

It's not like there's a shortage of talent down here that all the southern schools are up there raiding the best players. That's not to say that if a great talent shows interest in a southern school, that they wouldn't bring them in for a visit or offer a scholarship, I'm just saying that most southern schools concentrate their recruiting in the southeast.

And with the scholarship limitations, you can't get everyone. Top recruits want to go where they can play and get noticed. That's why USC loses a lot of running backs once they realize they'd be competing for playing time.

Both Pat White and Phillip Rivers (Alabama kids) went out of state where they could play Quarterback. They had offers from SEC schools, but weren't guaranteed they'd play QB, or have a chance to compete. Even Jamarcus (Another Bama kid) went over to LSU because Bama and Auburn weren't sure about him as a QB. So it actually works in reverse sometimes. Sometimes there's SO much talent in a particular region, that kids have to look at other opportunities where they can start and get exposure, and play the position they want to play.

Yeah, if you're just looking for a free ride and going to school somewhere, you're not going to compete with Miami beach. But for kids that think they can go pro, if you can offer a starting position and immediate playing time and TV exposure, you can be in the running.

Just look at most NFL rosters and you'll see that you don't have to play on a National Championship team to get NFL interest.

And as far as the Big East on TV... come on... how many times have you seen South Florida play already this year? And they've still got another Thursday night spotlight game coming up vs. Cincinatti (10/30), a rare Sunday Night prime-time exlusive vs. UConn (11/23) and their last game against W. Virginia will be on ESPN.

It's not like there's a HUGE national "South Florida Bulls" fan base out there either. ESPN is filling every time slot they can with college football games from Tuesday through Sunday. With the number of games playing at the same time on Saturday, and with regional coverage, a lot of games go unnoticed. The Big East is getting a lot of exposure by playing so many Thursday, Friday and Sunday games.

[Freakshow]

funny but last year's #1 recruit according to rivals was Terrelle Pryor from PA. The year before was Jimmy Clausen from CA. The previous two years were Percy Harvin from tidewater VA and Derrick Williams from the DC suburbs. Those aren't exactly the northeast, but not from the 'true' south either. Harvin went south to Flordia and was a big part of their national title team. Williams went north to Penn State and we'll see what happens this year.

Of course the rankings sometimes can be wrong. They had Ernie Simms (Florida) ranked ahead of Reggie Bush (CA) in 2003. We see how that worked out.

[ozzie]

funny but last year's #1 recruit according to rivals was Terrelle Pryor from PA. The year before was Jimmy Clausen from CA. The previous two years were Percy Harvin from tidewater VA and Derrick Williams from the DC suburbs. Those aren't exactly the northeast, but not from the 'true' south either. Harvin went south to Flordia and was a big part of their national title team. Williams went north to Penn State and we'll see what happens this year.

Of course the rankings sometimes can be wrong. They had Ernie Simms (Florida) ranked ahead of Reggie Bush (CA) in 2003. We see how that worked out.

My point was not that ALL of the talent is in the south. Not at all. Snoogans was implying that Rutgers is competing against Southern and California schools for recruits, and I was just pointing out that most schools recruit within their immediate area.

If you look at the rosters of the California and Florida schools, the vast majority come from their own state. Same thing with the Texas schools.

I know there's a ton of talent in the North and Northeast. Hell, I grew up in Ohio and played HS ball up there. But to say that they ALL want to play for teams just because they're near a beach, or have hotter chicks on their campus (supposedly) in just not true.

My previous post was about some of the rural redneck little towns some SEC schools are located in, and they still manage to get talent to come there.

I just don't see where Rutgers, or any school up there, can say they're losing ALL of their best recruits to Florida, Miami or USC. The rosters don't back that up.

The fact that Pryor, Clausen and Williams stayed in the North just proves my point. Sure, you might lose a Harvin or Knowshon, but, again, you do get players out of this area too, so it works both ways.

[Snoogans]

No offense to the Northeast, but I'd say that over 95% of the rosters of the SEC teams are kids from south of the Mason-Dixon line.

Auburn has ONE... Ben Tate (MD), and it took some huge HS numbers to get their attention.

Yeah, Knowshon and Kade Weston went to UGA from NJ, but they only have two other players that come from the North. 4 out of 80+ scholarship players, that's not a lot.

Florida snagged an O-line and D-line player from NJ, and have 3 others from the NE (MD, PA, CT), but that's about it. Again, 5 total from over 80.

It's not like there's a shortage of talent down here that all the southern schools are up there raiding the best players. That's not to say that if a great talent shows interest in a southern school, that they wouldn't bring them in for a visit or offer a scholarship, I'm just saying that most southern schools concentrate their recruiting in the southeast.

And with the scholarship limitations, you can't get everyone. Top recruits want to go where they can play and get noticed. That's why USC loses a lot of running backs once they realize they'd be competing for playing time.

Both Pat White and Phillip Rivers (Alabama kids) went out of state where they could play Quarterback. They had offers from SEC schools, but weren't guaranteed they'd play QB, or have a chance to compete. Even Jamarcus (Another Bama kid) went over to LSU because Bama and Auburn weren't sure about him as a QB. So it actually works in reverse sometimes. Sometimes there's SO much talent in a particular region, that kids have to look at other opportunities where they can start and get exposure, and play the position they want to play.

Yeah, if you're just looking for a free ride and going to school somewhere, you're not going to compete with Miami beach. But for kids that think they can go pro, if you can offer a starting position and immediate playing time and TV exposure, you can be in the running.

Just look at most NFL rosters and you'll see that you don't have to play on a National Championship team to get NFL interest.

And as far as the Big East on TV... come on... how many times have you seen South Florida play already this year? And they've still got another Thursday night spotlight game coming up vs. Cincinatti (10/30), a rare Sunday Night prime-time exlusive vs. UConn (11/23) and their last game against W. Virginia will be on ESPN.

It's not like there's a HUGE national "South Florida Bulls" fan base out there either. ESPN is filling every time slot they can with college football games from Tuesday through Sunday. With the number of games playing at the same time on Saturday, and with regional coverage, a lot of games go unnoticed. The Big East is getting a lot of exposure by playing so many Thursday, Friday and Sunday games.

I never said anything about the exposure of the conf. You just really seem to underestimate the close to ghetto that the rutgers campus is surrounded by. Id rather live on campus at Rutgers Newark then in Piscataway, thats how much it sucks there.

[ozzie]

I never said anything about the exposure of the conf. You just really seem to underestimate the close to ghetto that the rutgers campus is surrounded by. Id rather live on campus at Rutgers Newark then in Piscataway, thats how much it sucks there.

I can understand that. If it's that intimidating of a neighborhood, I could see how a 17 year old kid might get scared on the drive in for a visit.

And it wasn't you I was trying to convince about the exposure, I got that from...

I havent seen an all big east game on ESPN since rutgers run, most of them are on the alternate channels nationally so they are rarely seen.

As it stands, Rivals has Rutgers with the 22nd best class of committments already for 2009, including two 4 Star players, and thirteen 3 Star kids. 21 total commits already. Their class is currently ranked ahead of Va Tech, Penn State, Maryland, Virginia, etc.

If Piscataway is that much of a hell hole, then Schiano must be doing something right to be able to convince these kids to commit to play there next year.

Auburn is one of the smaller, less traditional or "popular" schools down here too, so I feel your pain. I know that Rutgers is not going to compete with Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State and the big boys for the 5 Star athletes year in, and year out. But there's a hell of a lot of HS talent that doesn't get recognized by the Rivals, Scouts and ESPN's. If Rutgers can keep landing top 25 classes, they'll get back up there.

[Snoogans]

I can understand that. If it's that intimidating of a neighborhood, I could see how a 17 year old kid might get scared on the drive in for a visit.

And it wasn't you I was trying to convince about the exposure, I got that from...



As it stands, Rivals has Rutgers with the 22nd best class of committments already for 2009, including two 4 Star players, and thirteen 3 Star kids. 21 total commits already. Their class is currently ranked ahead of Va Tech, Penn State, Maryland, Virginia, etc.

If Piscataway is that much of a hell hole, then Schiano must be doing something right to be able to convince these kids to commit to play there next year.

Auburn is one of the smaller, less traditional or "popular" schools down here too, so I feel your pain. I know that Rutgers is not going to compete with Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State and the big boys for the 5 Star athletes year in, and year out. But there's a hell of a lot of HS talent that doesn't get recognized by the Rivals, Scouts and ESPN's. If Rutgers can keep landing top 25 classes, they'll get back up there.

I have been sayin, Schiano does a hell of a job there. Somehow he gets the kids, alot of Florida kids too. I love him for that. I hate him for KEEPING IN MIKE TEEL.

And the TV thing he is way off on. Last season, Big East had a contract for Thursday night and Sunday night games on ESPN. This year they have been a large majority of the showcase games, with tons of alone Friday night games. Also they got a ton of national out of conference games on. Big East gets plenty of TV cause they are the only ones, at times, who can pull HUGE NY numbers. However this year it hasnt worked out that way, But the conference is tougher then people are acting. Rutgers has alot of talent, and was in those games the past 2 weeks. For them to be 1-5 shows that the conference is actually pretty fuckin good

edit: Those commits are also still verbal. Signing day is Feb, and a few of the better RU commits are already talking about possibly backing out

[Freakshow]

My point was not that ALL of the talent is in the south. Not at all. Snoogans was implying that Rutgers is competing against Southern and California schools for recruits, and I was just pointing out that most schools recruit within their immediate area.

He's probably talking about Dwayne Jarret when he metions USC. The kid was from New Brunswick.

I just looked at the rivals mid-season all-americans and two are from NJ--the RB from UConn and Jenkins, CB from Ohio State...

[SP1!]

I have been sayin, Schiano does a hell of a job there. Somehow he gets the kids, alot of Florida kids too. I love him for that. I hate him for KEEPING IN MIKE TEEL.

And the TV thing he is way off on. Last season, Big East had a contract for Thursday night and Sunday night games on ESPN. This year they have been a large majority of the showcase games, with tons of alone Friday night games. Also they got a ton of national out of conference games on. Big East gets plenty of TV cause they are the only ones, at times, who can pull HUGE NY numbers. However this year it hasnt worked out that way, But the conference is tougher then people are acting. Rutgers has alot of talent, and was in those games the past 2 weeks. For them to be 1-5 shows that the conference is actually pretty fuckin good

edit: Those commits are also still verbal. Signing day is Feb, and a few of the better RU commits are already talking about possibly backing out

I dont watch those games on sundays cause the pro game is on and better since the big east teams suck this year, shit is there a big east team left in the rankings or is uconn still it? Thats pretty sad if a team that is less than 10 year in div I football is the top of you conference.

And those NY numbers only come in if syracuse or rutgers is playing, and if they have losing records there will be no ratings up there because people just dont care about college football. Dave was all gung ho on rutgers for a few years, this year they suck so he has barely said a word.

Its the same kind of fan that pro teams get here in the south, if they win we cheer if they lose we dont really care but you let their college team lose and they will shit a brick.

[Snoogans]

He's probably talking about Dwayne Jarret when he metions USC. The kid was from New Brunswick.

I just looked at the rivals mid-season all-americans and two are from NJ--the RB from UConn and Jenkins, CB from Ohio State...

I never said anything about California aside from why would a kid stay in Jersey if he can go there. That was more an example of a nice place sayin so cal, not the school. Shit If im a recruit, id go to pepperdine before I would move to Storrs, Ct. The schools I mentioned as big in NJ are. Penn State, Maryland, Boston College, alot of the Virginia schools. They do come into jersey, alot, for kids. Shit most of Maryland and BC's rosters used to be NJ kids

[Snoogans]

I dont watch those games on sundays cause the pro game is on and better since the big east teams suck this year, shit is there a big east team left in the rankings or is uconn still it? Thats pretty sad if a team that is less than 10 year in div I football is the top of you conference.

And those NY numbers only come in if syracuse or rutgers is playing, and if they have losing records there will be no ratings up there because people just dont care about college football. Dave was all gung ho on rutgers for a few years, this year they suck so he has barely said a word.

Its the same kind of fan that pro teams get here in the south, if they win we cheer if they lose we dont really care but you let their college team lose and they will shit a brick.

First of all, they dont have sunday games anymore. It was dumb to begin wth. But espn, esp having to do with being in CT. runs ALOT of big east games.

And I didnt say the Big East was a powerhouse conf and should have everybody ranked. Im not stupid, and I'm really getting annoyed with you putting things in people's words that they never said. I just said the conf is alot tougher then most of the media is acting like it is this year. Most people are talking about the Big East like its garbage, worse then midmajors. Its not.

Also, its pretty funny that the highest ranked college football game on ESPN ever was 2 big east teams NOT from NY. NYC does watch big east games if the conf is good. Its not just Rutgers and Cuse. What hurt was alot of the Flashy Name teams left. But at this point, BC, Miami, and Va Tech havent done tons to make me miss them. That did hurt, but if UConn is going into USF with say both ranked, NYC watches that game more then they would watch a Michigan Michigan State game. Fact

[ozzie]

First of all, they dont have sunday games anymore.

Not quite.

Sunday, October 26 - UCF @ Tulsa, 8:00 pm, ESPN
Sunday, November 2 - East Carolina @ UCF, 8:00 pm, ESPN
Sunday, November 23 - UConn @ South Florida, 8:00 pm, ESPN

Also, almost every week in November, get ready for college football games on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday nights.

Most of the Tuesday night games are MAC teams. A lot of WAC, Mountain West and even a Div-1AA game on Friday nights.

Other featured Big East games:

Thursday, October 30 - South Florida @ Cincinatti, 8:00 pm, ESPN
Friday, November 4 - Cincinatti @ Louisville, 8:00 pm, ESPN2
Friday, November 28 - West Virginia @ Pittsburgh, 12:00, ABC
Thursday, December 4 - Louisville @ Rutgers, 7:30 pm, ESPN

[Snoogans]

Not quite.

Sunday, October 26 - UCF @ Tulsa, 8:00 pm, ESPN
Sunday, November 2 - East Carolina @ UCF, 8:00 pm, ESPN
Sunday, November 23 - UConn @ South Florida, 8:00 pm, ESPN

Also, almost every week in November, get ready for college football games on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday nights.

Most of the Tuesday night games are MAC teams. A lot of WAC, Mountain West and even a Div-1AA game on Friday nights.

Other featured Big East games:

Thursday, October 30 - South Florida @ Cincinatti, 8:00 pm, ESPN
Friday, November 4 - Cincinatti @ Louisville, 8:00 pm, ESPN2
Friday, November 28 - West Virginia @ Pittsburgh, 12:00, ABC
Thursday, December 4 - Louisville @ Rutgers, 7:30 pm, ESPN

wow i thought they discontinued the sunday night games caus ethey got killed last year. Good to see they didnt give up totally.

And how fuckin AWESOME has the every thursday friday and alot of tues wednesday games. The only thing bad ive found about it at all is Jesse Palmer

[ozzie]

wow i thought they discontinued the sunday night games caus ethey got killed last year. Good to see they didnt give up totally.

And how fuckin AWESOME has the every thursday friday and alot of tues wednesday games. The only thing bad ive found about it at all is Jesse Palmer

I use THIS SITE (http://www.lsufootball.net/tvschedule.htm)to get the latest info on the televised college football games. I found it about 4 years ago, and while it's from a hideous LSU site, I've found that they are almost always up to the minute on the dates, times, channel, etc. They even go through the bowl schedule.

All times are CENTRAL, so you East Coasters will have to add an hour, but other than that, it's the best resource for your college football lineup that I've found.

Not only do they keep up with the last minute network changes and times, but there's even a link to the REPLAY SCHEDULE (http://www.lsufootball.net/tvschedule-replays.htm)for old games being televised on ESPN Classic, etc.

And you can look at archived schedules from previous years, which comes in handy sometimes when arguing with people on message boards about how many times a particular team or conference was on tv. I had to prove my point about every Notre Dame game being televised with this tool once.

[Snoogans]

I use THIS SITE (http://www.lsufootball.net/tvschedule.htm)to get the latest info on the televised college football games. I found it about 4 years ago, and while it's from a hideous LSU site, I've found that they are almost always up to the minute on the dates, times, channel, etc. They even go through the bowl schedule.

All times are CENTRAL, so you East Coasters will have to add an hour, but other than that, it's the best resource for your college football lineup that I've found.

Not only do they keep up with the last minute network changes and times, but there's even a link to the REPLAY SCHEDULE (http://www.lsufootball.net/tvschedule-replays.htm)for old games being televised on ESPN Classic, etc.

And you can look at archived schedules from previous years, which comes in handy sometimes when arguing with people on message boards about how many times a particular team or conference was on tv. I had to prove my point about every Notre Dame game being televised with this tool once.

i think this gave me wood


edit: Who the fuck argued that ND games arent on TV? Is that a joke?

[Thebazile78]

I never said anything about the exposure of the conf. You just really seem to underestimate the close to ghetto that the rutgers campus is surrounded by. Id rather live on campus at Rutgers Newark then in Piscataway, thats how much it sucks there.

The Busch campus in Piscataway, where Rutgers Stadium is located, is REALLY NICE. I can't see why you would trash it. True, Livingston campus is ... a big, giant parking lot, but why would anybody hate on Busch!!! (Full disclosure: I lived on Busch my freshman year of college. The other 3 years, I lived on College Ave. In NEW BRUNSWICK, not PISCATAWAY.)

I'm not even going to start on Rutgers-Newark, because it's actually a lot nicer than Rutgers-Camden (now there's a campus "surrounded by ghetto" if ever there was one ... besides Seton Hall) ... ugh.

Just stop. Hating on Mike Teel is enough. Fucker played better with a sprained thumb than he has all season.

And fucking Saturday is Homecoming. Against UCONN. And we're on the verge of an Epic Fail for the season. And, somehow, I feel a lot more comfortable with a losing RU team than I did with a winning team ... this is what happens when the proverbial "other shoe" drops. You get more of the mediocrity that's kept the Scarlet Knights off everyone's radar. It's gonna be ugly this year. No ringing of the Bell for Teel. (Serves the fucker right, though, for being such a pathetic sack of crap.)

[ozzie]

i think this gave me wood


edit: Who the fuck argued that ND games arent on TV? Is that a joke?

Yeah, make sure you bookmark it. It's invaluable when planning your week.

Some prick on Rivals was trying to say that Notre Dame was televised exclusively on NBC, and no other network could carry their games, and that there were a few of their games last year that weren't televised nationally.

[Snoogans]

The Busch campus in Piscataway, where Rutgers Stadium is located, is REALLY NICE. I can't see why you would trash it. True, Livingston campus is ... a big, giant parking lot, but why would anybody hate on Busch!!! (Full disclosure: I lived on Busch my freshman year of college. The other 3 years, I lived on College Ave. In NEW BRUNSWICK, not PISCATAWAY.)

I'm not even going to start on Rutgers-Newark, because it's actually a lot nicer than Rutgers-Camden (now there's a campus "surrounded by ghetto" if ever there was one ... besides Seton Hall) ... ugh.

Just stop. Hating on Mike Teel is enough. Fucker played better with a sprained thumb than he has all season.

And fucking Saturday is Homecoming. Against UCONN. And we're on the verge of an Epic Fail for the season. And, somehow, I feel a lot more comfortable with a losing RU team than I did with a winning team ... this is what happens when the proverbial "other shoe" drops. You get more of the mediocrity that's kept the Scarlet Knights off everyone's radar. It's gonna be ugly this year. No ringing of the Bell for Teel. (Serves the fucker right, though, for being such a pathetic sack of crap.)

NB and the area immediately off the stadium are not nice. And Piscataway is not REALLY nice. Not even close. Im not comparing them town to town. Im sure the towns that alot of universities are in arent as nice as the area there. But the campus and everything just sucks. If you ever saw some of these other campuses, they piss on all the campuses around here. For any school. Fuck, Tennessee has an on campus crystal burger that DELIVERS TO YOUR ROOM UNTIL 3AM.

[JimBeam]

Obviously all home games for ND are on NBC but I think there were a few times in the lean years ( mid-90's ) and maybe in the past few, where a road game wasn't televised.

[Thebazile78]

NB and the area immediately off the stadium are not nice. And Piscataway is not REALLY nice. Not even close. Im not comparing them town to town. Im sure the towns that alot of universities are in arent as nice as the area there. But the campus and everything just sucks. If you ever saw some of these other campuses, they piss on all the campuses around here. For any school. Fuck, Tennessee has an on campus crystal burger that DELIVERS TO YOUR ROOM UNTIL 3AM.

I never said that PISCATAWAY itself was REALLY nice. [Mostly, yeah, I agree, Piscataway, the town, is pretty shitty. And there's that point where you're cutting through Plainfield ... ugh ... I did that once when I was a Senior because I was coming back from registering my car at the spooky MVC in the strip mall.]

I said that the CAMPUS where Rutgers Stadium is located is REALLY nice.

It's nice that there's a fast food joint that delivers to your room until 3am for kids who go to Tenn., but since there's no Crystal Burger anywhere in NJ, that's a moot point. Cool perk, true, but just because RU doesn't have that on their campus doesn't mean it's a lesser campus. It just doesn't have delivery other than the pizza and Chinese joints in New Brunswick that deliver all over the place. Many deliver until 2 or 3am if they're still open...which usually means Pizza City on Easton. (And if you're ordering from Pizza City, you're either drunk and desperate or high.)

[Snoogans]

I never said that PISCATAWAY itself was REALLY nice. [Mostly, yeah, I agree, Piscataway, the town, is pretty shitty. And there's that point where you're cutting through Plainfield ... ugh ... I did that once when I was a Senior because I was coming back from registering my car at the spooky MVC in the strip mall.]

I said that the CAMPUS where Rutgers Stadium is located is REALLY nice.

It's nice that there's a fast food joint that delivers to your room until 3am for kids who go to Tenn., but since there's no Crystal Burger anywhere in NJ, that's a moot point. Cool perk, true, but just because RU doesn't have that on their campus doesn't mean it's a lesser campus. It just doesn't have delivery other than the pizza and Chinese joints in New Brunswick that deliver all over the place. Many deliver until 2 or 3am if they're still open...which usually means Pizza City on Easton. (And if you're ordering from Pizza City, you're either drunk and desperate or high.)

that was a add on point, but crystal burger = white castle, just so you know.

And no, that was my point. Compared to most of the campuses of D1 football schools, rutgers campus isnt nice. Not even close. Its nice for a NJ campus, but its the biggest school. it fuckin should be nice.

[SP1!]

First of all, they dont have sunday games anymore. It was dumb to begin wth. But espn, esp having to do with being in CT. runs ALOT of big east games.

And I didnt say the Big East was a powerhouse conf and should have everybody ranked. Im not stupid, and I'm really getting annoyed with you putting things in people's words that they never said. I just said the conf is alot tougher then most of the media is acting like it is this year. Most people are talking about the Big East like its garbage, worse then midmajors. Its not.

Also, its pretty funny that the highest ranked college football game on ESPN ever was 2 big east teams NOT from NY. NYC does watch big east games if the conf is good. Its not just Rutgers and Cuse. What hurt was alot of the Flashy Name teams left. But at this point, BC, Miami, and Va Tech havent done tons to make me miss them. That did hurt, but if UConn is going into USF with say both ranked, NYC watches that game more then they would watch a Michigan Michigan State game. Fact

The big east is garbage though, even their top teams would get owned by the ACC teams.

And until you produce ratings I wont believe any team other than rutgers from the past few years have the highest ratings in NY city, they dont watch college football as much as the south, thats a fact.

[Snoogans]

The big east is garbage though, even their top teams would get owned by the ACC teams.

And until you produce ratings I wont believe any team other than rutgers from the past few years have the highest ratings in NY city, they dont watch college football as much as the south, thats a fact.
They dont watch college football as much in NY as the south, that is a fact. That has nothing to do with what games get watched in NY city. Just cause the south watches more wouldnt effect NYC ratings.

The highest rated thursday night football game in ESPN history was WV Looaville. Thats what I said. Didnt even mention a city.

as for the bloded part, There are games that have ZERO big east teams that are huge games that do better ratings then Rutgers games in NY. I have no knowledge of this statement, but I would guess that last week's Texas vs Oklahoma game did a bigger number in the New York market then the Rutgers Cinncinati game did. I dont know this, but I would bet it was the case.

[SP1!]

They dont watch college football as much in NY as the south, that is a fact. That has nothing to do with what games get watched in NY city. Just cause the south watches more wouldnt effect NYC ratings.

The highest rated thursday night football game in ESPN history was WV Looaville. Thats what I said. Didnt even mention a city.

as for the bloded part, There are games that have ZERO big east teams that are huge games that do better ratings then Rutgers games in NY. I have no knowledge of this statement, but I would guess that last week's Texas vs Oklahoma game did a bigger number in the New York market then the Rutgers Cinncinati game did. I dont know this, but I would bet it was the case.

Yeah but thats only when Louisville and WV were doing well, the big east has to play on thursday for exposure simply because if they play on saturday they will not get national exposure.

What my point was that even with NY's inflated population it still cant make up the audience that people get in the south, which is why the best players shun northern schools for the ACC, SEC, and big 10.

[cougarjake13]

They dont watch college football as much in NY as the south, that is a fact. That has nothing to do with what games get watched in NY city. Just cause the south watches more wouldnt effect NYC ratings.

The highest rated thursday night football game in ESPN history was WV Looaville. Thats what I said. Didnt even mention a city.

as for the bloded part, There are games that have ZERO big east teams that are huge games that do better ratings then Rutgers games in NY. I have no knowledge of this statement, but I would guess that last week's Texas vs Oklahoma game did a bigger number in the New York market then the Rutgers Cinncinati game did. I dont know this, but I would bet it was the case.



also there arent any perenial powerhouse college teams up in the northeast to get behind

i never watched college football much when i lived up north, now i watch it all day every saturday since i moved down here

[El Mudo]

up 13-0 on Wake at the half....i'm cautiously optimistic

[El Mudo]

Nice win today over Wake....boys looked really good...

I would be more fired up, but knowing this team, they will probably poop next week against NC State.

Only 1 win away from bowl eligibility

[pennington]

The Busch campus in Piscataway, where Rutgers Stadium is located, is REALLY NICE.

I have to agree with this. I think people are confusing Piscataway with the non-Rutgers areas of New Brunswick. The area around the stadium is nice, there's still farmland and golf courses. When I go to a game I park at the Athletic Center and walk back after the game. It's about a mile and there is nothing bad to be seen.

Anyway, since the game was only on ESPNU (which I think only NASA can access) I listened to it on the radio. I didn't listen much to the first half after I heard Teel was starting, then fell asleep during the second half.

Well, they won anyway. I guess Schiano is going with Teel for the rest of the season no matter what.

[disneyspy]

Michigan is lookin like a Michigan team should
LETS GO BLUE
i tried the tapin the game trick last week,im not a jinx

[weekapaugjz]

ha! nice safety!

[weekapaugjz]

michigan completely fell apart in the second half. ha. fuck michigan.

[SP1!]

Does the big 12 have anyone on defense at all? Even their blowouts have 30 pts scored on both sides.

[SP1!]

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Man if I was SC I would be pissed, wasnt that game really close?

[Thebazile78]

I have to agree with this. I think people are confusing Piscataway with the non-Rutgers areas of New Brunswick. The area around the stadium is nice, there's still farmland and golf courses. When I go to a game I park at the Athletic Center and walk back after the game. It's about a mile and there is nothing bad to be seen.

Which is the point I was trying to make. The Busch Campus is nice. So what if there's no fucking burger joint that'll deliver ... if you live on Busch, you need to get up off your fat ass and go to the campus center anyway because otherwise you're riding the intercampus bus system and putting on 25lbs. (I did. It was awful.)

Anyway, since the game was only on ESPNU (which I think only NASA can access) I listened to it on the radio. I didn't listen much to the first half after I heard Teel was starting, then fell asleep during the second half.

Well, they won anyway. I guess Schiano is going with Teel for the rest of the season no matter what.

ESPN-U is apparently a sattelite-only channel. Which blows because there are a TON of "old-guard" alumni who would give their left nuts to see a Homecoming game in their nursing homes. (And, yes, I am purposely referencing the "old-guard" alumni. Who are all male. And probably would give their left nuts to see an RU game.)

Fuck, I'd give my left tit to see a Homecoming game on TV. Those are usually the most enjoyable games for me ... they were the only ones I attended regularly as a student and are the only ones I'll consider paying for as an alumna. (Of course, tickets are scarcer than hen's teeth lately, but it may get better.)

Also, if Mike Teel sprains his thumb again, we'll be better off.

[Freakshow]

I've had ESPNU since day 1. Big Ten Network, too. DirecTV rules.


Hell, at one point, I got a ESPN game plan game for free because they forgot to black it out on Fox Sports Bay Area, who was playing the Penn State game for some unknown reason (at 9 in the morning their time, too).

[Snoogans]

Which is the point I was trying to make. The Busch Campus is nice. So what if there's no fucking burger joint that'll deliver ... if you live on Busch, you need to get up off your fat ass and go to the campus center anyway because otherwise you're riding the intercampus bus system and putting on 25lbs. (I did. It was awful.)



.

you really need to go check outthe campus' around for other D1 schools if you think anything Rutgers is as nice as any other school (Sans Temple, cause its in philly, and i mean come on). Rutgers is not a nice campus, period, when speaking about the choices these kids have.

Again, sure it's a nice campus, but its not bigtime D1 football nice. Im sorry, its just not. The facilities are, but thats about it

[Snoogans]

and if you bothered to read, i said the post after I said it that I was joking about the fuckin Crystal Burger thing. Obviously that wouldnt be the end all of a fuckin campus. Get serious, and worry about your own fat ass

[Thebazile78]

you really need to go check outthe campus' around for other D1 schools if you think anything Rutgers is as nice as any other school (Sans Temple, cause its in philly, and i mean come on). Rutgers is not a nice campus, period, when speaking about the choices these kids have.

Again, sure it's a nice campus, but its not bigtime D1 football nice. Im sorry, its just not. The facilities are, but thats about it

Here's the thing: RU wasn't constructed as a Division I-A complex.

Comparing RU to another, football-heavy school, that's been in D-1 longer (we only moved up a conference in 1994-95) is like comparing apples to oranges. It's just not comparable.

I agree on that point ... there's no comparison between RU's campus and facilities and another, major D-1 school. USC, ASU, even freaking Maryland. True.

With the construction of the new stadium and the revamp of the College Avenue campus, it might be a big step in becoming comparable ... but it'll take years for it to get to anywhere near any other D-1 school.

and if you bothered to read, i said the post after I said it that I was joking about the fuckin Crystal Burger thing. Obviously that wouldnt be the end all of a fuckin campus. Get serious, and worry about your own fat ass

OK, I missed the post where you were supposed to be joking about Crystal Burger, but that's no reason to move from that to a personal attack.

I never attacked you personally in ANY of my posts, even when I disagreed with you, and really think that's a low blow.

[Snoogans]

Here's the thing: RU wasn't constructed as a Division I-A complex.

Comparing RU to another, football-heavy school, that's been in D-1 longer (we only moved up a conference in 1994-95) is like comparing apples to oranges. It's just not comparable.

I agree on that point ... there's no comparison between RU's campus and facilities and another, major D-1 school. USC, ASU, even freaking Maryland. True.

With the construction of the new stadium and the revamp of the College Avenue campus, it might be a big step in becoming comparable ... but it'll take years for it to get to anywhere near any other D-1 school.



OK, I missed the post where you were supposed to be joking about Crystal Burger, but that's no reason to move from that to a personal attack.

I never attacked you personally in ANY of my posts, even when I disagreed with you, and really think that's a low blow.

first off, you told me to get off my fat ass and go out. it couldnt have been to anyone else since I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO MENTIONED DELIVERY FOOD. Aside from that, the part in bold was my point

We werent discussing asthetics of campuses in here. This is college football thread. My point is rutgers campus is shit compared to the other majors, since the whole convo came out of the campus attracting FOOTBALL RECRUITS. You have proved my point. In the overall of D1 recruiting, rutgers is at a huge disadvantage because, compared to the schools they are competing against, the campus is not nice. Its not even close to nice.

Sure its nice compared to William Paterson, it fuckin better be. But it just isnt close to a Miami or Penn State or even fuckin BC. It just cant come close

[Freakshow]

Gerald Hodges was at Penn State this weekend for the PSU-Michigan game.

Just sayin'

[Snoogans]

Gerald Hodges was at Penn State this weekend for the PSU-Michigan game.

Just sayin'

a couple of my friends went to PSU. I like it there. And I love that there is like 12 head shops right across the street from campus. Made me laugh

[Thebazile78]

first off, you told me to get off my fat ass and go out. it couldnt have been to anyone else since I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO MENTIONED DELIVERY FOOD. .....

... if you live on Busch, you need to get up off your fat ass and go to the campus center anyway because otherwise you're riding the intercampus bus system and putting on 25lbs. ...

If the bolded portion of my posting is what offended you (personally), you need to reread what I wrote. Why, when I know you're a skinny guy who has NEVER LIVED ON THE FUCKING BUSCH CAMPUS, would I specifically refer to you as a fatass????

If you took that as a personal attack, I sincerely apologize. I did refer to the burger joint, but I never meant that you, personally, had to get of your ass, fat or otherwise. I can't even read how you would get that I was directing my comment at you, other than the "burger joint" allusion.

I was really talking about the reality of living on the Busch campus. And, the reality is, if you (the generic "you" not you, personally) don't get out of your dorm and walk around every now and again, you will get fat.

And, frankly, that's probably a big strike against it in the eyes of a kid who wants to play football and strut a little.

We werent discussing asthetics of campuses in here. This is college football thread. My point is rutgers campus is shit compared to the other majors, since the whole convo came out of the campus attracting FOOTBALL RECRUITS. You have proved my point. In the overall of D1 recruiting, rutgers is at a huge disadvantage because, compared to the schools they are competing against, the campus is not nice. Its not even close to nice.

Sure its nice compared to William Paterson, it fuckin better be. But it just isnt close to a Miami or Penn State or even fuckin BC. It just cant come close

I don't disagree with you that, when compared to other Division I-A schools, no, RU can't compete. But it's going to try. There are things in the works. Of course, McCormick is depending on alumni donations for them to come about, but they're in the works. They have been for the past 3 years, when the football team was doing a little better and the state budget was a little more RU-friendly.

The time is coming, but it's going to take a lot more effort to start to compare. At the moment, comparing RU to BC is like comparing Bergen Community College to NYU. BCC can't compete because it's not designed to compete with NYU.

[Snoogans]

If the bolded portion of my posting is what offended you (personally), you need to reread what I wrote. Why, when I know you're a skinny guy who has NEVER LIVED ON THE FUCKING BUSCH CAMPUS, would I specifically refer to you as a fatass????

If you took that as a personal attack, I sincerely apologize. I did refer to the burger joint, but I never meant that you, personally, had to get of your ass, fat or otherwise. I can't even read how you would get that I was directing my comment at you, other than the "burger joint" allusion.

I was really talking about the reality of living on the Busch campus. And, the reality is, if you (the generic "you" not you, personally) don't get out of your dorm and walk around every now and again, you will get fat.

And, frankly, that's probably a big strike against it in the eyes of a kid who wants to play football and strut a little.



I don't disagree with you that, when compared to other Division I-A schools, no, RU can't compete. But it's going to try. There are things in the works. Of course, McCormick is depending on alumni donations for them to come about, but they're in the works. They have been for the past 3 years, when the football team was doing a little better and the state budget was a little more RU-friendly.

The time is coming, but it's going to take a lot more effort to start to compare. At the moment, comparing RU to BC is like comparing Bergen Community College to NYU. BCC can't compete because it's not designed to compete with NYU.

yea i did take it as a personal attack. whatever, i wasnt mad when I said the fat ass thing. Thats just how i do. Sorry if it upset you, I actually have no idea what you look like.

And the point is you were arguing busch is a nice campus when the discussion was about recruiting. Obviously I was comparing them to other D1 schools cause as much as they might not be able to compare, they dont have a choice. They get compared.

[Freakshow]

Rutgers has always been DIA (from when such a distinction existed). They were not a member of a conference until the Big East was formed around '91 (without Penn State, thanks to Pitt and Syracuse). In fact, no school has been in Division I longer since they played the first-ever college football game against princeton (and assuming that any school playing back then would be considered division I).

[Thebazile78]

Rutgers has always been DIA (from when such a distinction existed). They were not a member of a conference until the Big East was formed around '91 (without Penn State, thanks to Pitt and Syracuse). In fact, no school has been in Division I longer since they played the first-ever college football game against princeton (and assuming that any school playing back then would be considered division I).

That's not entirely true.

Just because we're the "birthplace of college football" doesn't mean we were always Division I-A. RU has been classified as part of the Middle Three Conference, the Mid-Atlantic Conference, the Atlantic-10 and the Big East. Only the last 2 conferences are Division I.

We played with the Ivies traditionally:

You may sing of your Boolahs and ancient Nassaus,
To Brown you may all drink her down, drink her down,
To the glories of Penn you may give your applause,
And the beauties of old Cambridge town!
You may go-go Chicago or yell for Cornell[,
And inform us that Stanford is fine (Stanford's fine!)
Of Bowdoin and Williams and Tech you may tell,
But there's only one College for Mine...

The schools referenced in bold are Yale (football cheer was "Boo-Lah, Boo-Lah" ... don't know if it still is), Princeton (their alma mater is "in Praise of Old Nassau") and Harvard (which is in Cambridge rather than Boston-proper.) The other ones are pretty obvious, although I don't remember which "Tech" they're referring to offhand.

[Freakshow]

The Ivies were Division I until 1978 (they created the IA and IAA distinction then, according to wikipedia).

Just because those conferences are not currrently I or IA, doesn't mean they weren't at the time.

The college football data warehouse (http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigeast/rutgers/index.php) defines them:
Football Classifications (NCAA started classification in 1937):

1937-1945 NCAA College Division (Small College)
1946-1972 NCAA University Division (Major College)
1973-1977 NCAA Division I
1978-20XX NCAA Division I-A

[Thebazile78]

The Ivies were Division I until 1978 (they created the IA and IAA distinction then, according to wikipedia).

Just because those conferences are not currrently I or IA, doesn't mean they weren't at the time.

The college football data warehouse (http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigeast/rutgers/index.php) defines them:
Football Classifications (NCAA started classification in 1937):

1937-1945 NCAA College Division (Small College)
1946-1972 NCAA University Division (Major College)
1973-1977 NCAA Division I
1978-20XX NCAA Division I-A

Doesn't Division I imply scholarships, though? Football scholarships are a thing of the "modern" era.

[Freakshow]

I don't really know. I figured division I and it's precursors were more based on success and, later, size of school. When I took my campus tour at Lafayette (when I was considering colleges) they said they would be able to go to Division IA for football if they increased their enrollment, but they weren't willing to do that.

[Snoogans]

Doesn't Division I imply scholarships, though? Football scholarships are a thing of the "modern" era.

thats what it has to do with now, among many other things. All this is fairly new. Also stadium size and other fundings go into whether you can be a 1A. Back in the times before that all really matter, there was still D1 and back then, college used to be way bigger then the pro shit.

[SP1!]

Jesus, what has happened to auburn? They may finish with a losing record this year playing like this.

[Snoogans]

Jesus, what has happened to auburn? They may finish with a losing record this year playing like this.

this is why, as I said earlier, I dont agree with midseason coaching moves. Generally the promoted assistant does the same job, if not worse cause the team gets a sense that its all going wrong and starts to mail it in. Auburn missed the FG that woulda tied it at 20, and then WV went right back down and scored like it was a 7 on 7 drill, Auburn seemed to just throw it in.

[ozzie]

Auburn has now lead at halftime in every game this year, and they've had double-digit leads in all of their losses. The problem is not their gameplan going into the games, it seems their overthinking their halftime adjustments and going away from what is working in the first half.

[JimBeam]

Jesus, what has happened to auburn? They may finish with a losing record this year playing like this.

Which is why I wasn't so convinced that LSU's win over them was as big a deal as people made it out to be.

I mean they beat Miss St 3-2 !!!

The numbers on Auburn's QB were awful before the game started ( 40% completion I think ) so I wonder how bad they are now.

[ozzie]

The numbers on Auburn's QB were awful before the game started ( 40% completion I think ) so I wonder how bad they are now.

The numbers for the year on Kodi Burns are BETTER now after last night's game, if that tells you anything.

Franklin was shuffling QB's every series for the first two games, then Kodi didn't play at all against Miss State and LSU, then back to the QB shuffle in the next two games. When he did play, he was more of a running threat. Not many pass attempts in those games.

Last night was the first game Kodi played all of the snaps at QB.