Pete Rose

[K.C.]

I'm watching the Costas Baseball special on HBO and the first segment of it is about the Hall of Fame.

They spent a lot of time talking about Andre Dawson and Jim Rice deserving to be in, but struggling to get in, but then spent a great deal of time talking about the Pete Rose situation.

Dave Winfield basically said that if Rose was ever reinstated, he still wouldn't get in, because the Veteran's Committee was pretty adamant about him never getting in because he broke one of the two major taboos in baseball, and should be punished for it.

Ken Rosenthal said that if (after Rose was reinstated), the writers petitioned the committee to allow them to vote on Rose, he'd probably get in second ballot from the writers.


This whole thing seems like a farce to me. Rose is vilified more than steroid users, who's numbers and performance are suspect.

I believe he will be in the Hall eventually, but that it's been pre-decided by the head muckity-mucks of MLB that they're going to wait for him to die and then posthumously reinstate and put him in the Hall.

If it goes down that way, that'll be a huge black mark on baseball in my book.

I think he's done his penance. Reinstate him and put him in.

[A.J.]

He only gambled as a manager, not as a player (which is what he's going in for anyway).

Let him in.

[boobieman]

Put him in. Just for the hair cut...it's world famous

SEEYEYAYAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[yomudder21]

He only gambled as a manager, not as a player (which is what he's going in for anyway).

Let him in.

so altering the outcomes of games as a manager doesn't taint your record as getting into the baseball hall of fame? Ruining the game and affecting other players has everything to do with him not getting in.

Take some responsibility Pete.

[TheMojoPin]

Nope.

There's postings in all clubhouses explicitly warning players and coaches against gambling on games. They were there when Pete was playing and managing. They had been there for decades.

Too bad, Prince Valiant.

[K.C.]

Nope.

There's postings in all clubhouses explicitly warning players and coaches against gambling on games. They were there when Pete was playing and managing. They had been there for decades.

Too bad, Prince Valiant.


People get second chances in almost everything in life, yet we act like baseball is some Puritan ritual that can't be tarnished by vice in any way (yet, the actuality of that if FAR to the contrary).

I think it's ridiculous to say he's one and done when there's known cheaters in the Hall of Fame.

You want to say he can't manage or coach again...ok, fine...but at least recognize his accomplishments.

[Freitag]

I think if Rose was a lot more contrite about his actions, he'd be OK. An apology - even if in his mind he didn't believe it - would go a HUGE way in clearing the way.

There was a lot of sympathy for Rose after Jim Gray suckerpunched him in that World Series interview, but it died down soon after - that would have been the time to put a PR campaign together.

The problem with baseball writers, especially the guys who are pushing retirement age now - is that they are a bunch of sanctimonious mofo's who believe in vendettas.

I'd vote to put him in. His managing records, although tarnished, is pale in comparison to what Bonds did.

[Freitag]

Is it wrong to hope that Rose would get in, just so he'd get tombstoned by Kane during the induction ceremony?

[K.C.]

I think if Rose was a lot more contrite about his actions, he'd be OK. An apology - even if in his mind he didn't believe it - would go a HUGE way in clearing the way.

There was a lot of sympathy for Rose after Jim Gray suckerpunched him in that World Series interview, but it died down soon after - that would have been the time to put a PR campaign together.

The problem with baseball writers, especially the guys who are pushing retirement age now - is that they are a bunch of sanctimonious mofo's who believe in vendettas.

I'd vote to put him in. His managing records, although tarnished, is pale in comparison to what Bonds did.


I agree that Rose hurt himself a lot by denying and appearing unapologetic for years, but he did say as recently as this last episode of CostasNOW that it was his biggest regret and that he'd advise people like Roger Clemens to just come clean now, because they'll regret it down the line.

And to Rose's credit, he doesn't really talk up the Hall as much as he does just wanting to teach the game at a professional level again.


The writers is an interesting point, though, because the impression I was left with after watching it is that the Veterans Committee would never put him in, but the Baseball Writers Association would.

[TheMojoPin]

People get second chances in almost everything in life, yet we act like baseball is some Puritan ritual that can't be tarnished by vice in any way (yet, the actuality of that if FAR to the contrary).

I think it's ridiculous to say he's one and done when there's known cheaters in the Hall of Fame.

You want to say he can't manage or coach again...ok, fine...but at least recognize his accomplishments.

Every time he was in the clubhouse, he saw that warning. It's not like it was some vague notion that he only maybe was aware of or was arguably something you could "work around."

It has nothing to do with being "Puritanical." It's been an explicit rule in baseball for almost a century and everyone knows it. Unlike a lot of the steroids issue, this is pretty much clearcut B&W.

[K.C.]

Is it wrong to hope that Rose would get in, just so he'd get tombstoned by Kane during the induction ceremony?

:lol:

Best induction ceremony ever.

[K.C.]

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/RhFcRwRSyi8&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/RhFcRwRSyi8&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

[A.J.]

There's postings in all clubhouses explicitly warning players and coaches against gambling on games. They were there when Pete was playing and managing. They had been there for decades..

I get that. But the fact is that the he gambled when he managed and not when he played. He's going into Hall for his accomplishments as a player not as a manager.

[El Mudo]

Every time he was in the clubhouse, he saw that warning. It's not like it was some vague notion that he only maybe was aware of or was arguably something you could "work around."

It has nothing to do with being "Puritanical." It's been an explicit rule in baseball for almost a century and everyone knows it. Unlike a lot of the steroids issue, this is pretty much clearcut B&W.

He's already being punished for it by his being banned for life.

In that sense, its a HALL OF FAME that celebrates the history of the game, good and bad. If you are a true historical institution, he HAS to be in there. I'm not going to use the "there are worse people than him" in the HOF argument cause thats stupid, but if youre putting together what is essentially a museum of baseball history, he has to be in there, and at the same time, his gambling has to be acknowledged on his plaque or in his display or whatever.

Morality in ANY form, good or bad, isnt what a HOF is about. Its about accomplishments achieved during your lifetime in the game, and very few people have had the impact on the game that a guy like Pete Rose has.

And it would be a GREAT way to teach all the childrens that come up there how gambling can completely ruin your life. In Rose's case, he lost the game that he loved, he lost his reputation (because NO ONE remembers him as a baseball player any more...they all remember the gambling stuff), and he became a Grampa Simpson sized living joke.

[Tallman388]

I get that. But the fact is that the he gambled when he managed and not when he played. He's going into Hall for his accomplishments as a player not as a manager.

Exactly, what's keeping the Hall of Fame from saying he's being inducted for his contributions as a player not as a manager?

[saveopieanthony.net]

There are one rule in baseball. 1919 - Black Sox Scandal. Don't bet on baseball.

You can beat your wife, shoot heroin, snort coke, carry a gun, shoot someone, drunk drive yourself into a family mini van....but you can't gamble. And everyone knows it.

AND HE LIED ABOUT IT REPEATEDLY.

Ty Cobb's legend is that he killed someone in a bar fight - but he's in the hall of fame..one of the first guys in.

He shouldn't be in the hall of fame.

He shouldn't be allowed near baseball - (which is something that he's more pissed about than the hall of fame thing...he wants to coach / manage , etc and baseball won't let him.)

Sorry - but Shoeless Joe is not in the hall of fame either.

[Kit the Eskimo]

I've been to both the Football HoF and Basketball HoF, I'm not going to the Baseball HoF until they let Pete Rose in. And I'm a much bigger fan of baseball.

HoF without the Hit King?

[ADF]

He screwed with the integrity of the game so he'd never get my vote. Plus, this thread is useless without a PIMB option.

[TheMojoPin]

Again, the "puritanical" gripe is bugging me.

It's not like baseball has a ton of absolute, sacred, untouchable rules that guys have to avoid.

There's basically one.

Don't bet on the game, son.

That's it.

Just the one.

And Pete couldn't hang.

[PeteRose]

Pete Rose isnt a fan of Mojo. Banned from baseball, fine. I dont expect to be allowed to manage or have involvement with any clubs cause i broke that rule. I agree. BUT I AM FUCKIN PETE ROSE. CHARLIE HUSTLE. THE HIT KING. I SHOULD BE IN THE FUCKIN HALL. Ban me from the game, BUT PUT MY PRETTY FACE AND RETARD HAIRCUT BUST INTO THE HALL GODDAMMIT

[K.C.]

Pete Rose isnt a fan of Mojo. Banned from baseball, fine. I dont expect to be allowed to manage or have involvement with any clubs cause i broke that rule. I agree. BUT I AM FUCKIN PETE ROSE. CHARLIE HUSTLE. THE HIT KING. I SHOULD BE IN THE FUCKIN HALL. Ban me from the game, BUT PUT MY PRETTY FACE AND RETARD HAIRCUT BUST INTO THE HALL GODDAMMIT

FUCKIN' A!!

[TheMojoPin]

Proof that Pete Rose is a scumbag:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/X2lViEJtl8g&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/X2lViEJtl8g&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

He lusts after Joe Morgan and he wears Aqua Velva. CASE CLOSED.

I do admire his determination to have the worst possible haircut of the day over the decades.

[Snoogans]

Proof that Pete Rose is a scumbag:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/X2lViEJtl8g&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/X2lViEJtl8g&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

He lusts after Joe Morgan and he wears Aqua Velva. CASE CLOSED.

I do admire his determination to have the worst possible haircut of the day over the decades.

Like i said, he should be banned from the game. But he did too much to not be at least in the hall. JUST TELL PEOPLE ABOUT HIM. This game is about history. PUT IN THAT PIECE OF HISTORY. IM not sayin make him look like a good guy. Put in all the bad shit. But Pete Rose should be represented there

[cougarjake13]

put him in coach he's ready to play

[Columbus]

Rose was great in every aspect of the game. He should be in. We all make mistakes.

[Chip196]

I wouldn't vote him in ... I don't have sympathy for people who are in an environment with a specific rule that is clearly defined, and they go out and break it.