Sons of Anarchy

[TonyStark]

FX's new show starts the day after the Shield on August3rd. I'm pretty excited for this, 1, because it's done by Kurt Sutter who produced the Shield, and 2, because it's about a motorcycle gang. That's pretty badass subject matter, and FX has a great track record with stuff like this.

SOA Website...http://fxnetworks.com/shows/originals/soa/

[realmenhatelife]

Plus Ron Pearlman is in it, and I'd still bang Katey Segal.

[jonyrotn]

FX's new show starts the day after the Shield on August3rd. I'm pretty excited for this, 1, because it's done by Kurt Sutter who produced the Shield, and 2, because it's about a motorcycle gang. That's pretty badass subject matter, and FX has a great track record with stuff like this.

SOA Website...http://fxnetworks.com/shows/originals/soa/
Wasn't that yesterday? Or do we tive in different dimensions? :unsure:

[TheMojoPin]

The commercials for this thing make it look even cheesier than Sidehackers.

[bobrobot]

The commercials for this thing make it look even cheesier than Sidehackers.


Wasn't that the show about organ theft???

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Health/abc_kidney_scar_080131_ms.jpg

[Death Metal Moe]

It would make a good name for a Metal band.

I won't be watching the TV show though.

[cougarjake13]

It would make a good name for a Metal band.

I won't be watching the TV show though.

before reading the thread thats what i thought this thread was about

some new band

[TonyStark]

Plus Ron Pearlman is in it, and I'd still bang Katey Segal.
Yeah, I agree. Having Ron Perlman as the head of a biker gang is perfect casting. It premieres September 3rd, one day after the Shield.

[TonyStark]

Did anyone watch the premiere last night? This is definitely along the lines of FX's usual stuff, real gritty with some great writing. I'm interested to see how they play out the storyline of Jaxs kid.

[Chimee]

It's not amazing, but it's interesting enough to keep me watching.

[DOHO@HOME]

Watched as long as my eyes would stay open a little more then half of the show.
Will have to give another shot before I make up my mind.
I'm hoping it works, I tend to watch anything on motorcycle gangs.
Soon San Fran gang war will unfold after Hells Angel pres gunned down last night.

[razorboy]

I tried to watch it. I found myself flipping channels ALOT.

[TheMojoPin]

Eh...I didn't think it was bad, but nothing I saw really made me think I HAVE to ever watch another episode.

[grlNIN]

I don't like Ron Pearlman in anything, ever.

I didn't like how Jacks had a "tough guy" walk, it was over the top.

It was ok, my boyfriend was so excited to watch it that i now think it will be a Wednesday night custom since they bumped Project Runway to 9pm.


Anyone else unable to get over the fact that Jacks was the albino guy from Cold Mountain?

[The Ogre]

It was ok. I found myself getting bored more than a few times though and Ron Perlman didn't ring true as the head of a club at all. I truly dug Katey Segal and Drea DeMatteo's limited roles.

My biggest problem of the night was Jacks' magic marker backpiece. As a heavily tattooed man I hate when TV and movie tattoos don't look realistic. Jacks' stuff was almost as bad as Hando's bone sleeve in Romper Stomper.

[scottinnj]

and I'd still bang Katey Segal.


QFT

It was okay, and I'll watch it again. The annoying thing was Jacks walk. "Tough Guy" walk all swinging his arms and shit.

[ANC]

I watched the pilot last night. It was okay, a little over the top, but seems to have some potential (Kind of how I felt with the 1st episode of John from Cincinnati, which I loved)

I'll give it a chance..

[MobCounty]

I tried..
It looks like they watched the documentary about the East Bay Rats, and smeared Hanna Montana all over it.

[Furtherman]

because it's done by Kurt Sutter who produced the Shield,

a little over the top

I finally saw the pilot last night. I liked it. Absolutely over the top (the town of Charming? HA!) but reminded me of a story that Sonny Barger would write. It was just like him: full of itself. Paying off the cops AND firemen? HA!

I couldn't help imagining that if this show came out 5 or 6 years ago it could have had a nice crossover with The Shield, with them supplying guns to the One-Niners.

I liked it enough to watch it again tonight. It has a GREAT cast of character actors that I'll enjoy watching them having fun being tough. Kim Coates, scarface from Braveheart, and Ron Perlman is great in everything... nice to see him without being some freak of nature. A.D. Skinner moving meth! Love it.

I also really liked the ending of Sagal's character giving Drea de Matteo's character a hot shot. Brutal. But I also wish Drea was staying on the show. Missed her since Silvo put two in the back of her head.

[JimBeam]

I didn't think I was going to watch it, and didn't when it premiered, but I ended up watching it On Deamnd.

It wasn't bad.

I am glad that I'm not the only one that though Jax's walk was a bit silly ( I kept thinking of Richard Pryor/Gene Wilder in " Stir Crazy. " That's right we bad !! " ).

Way too hard for what appears to be a puss.

I'm not sure how long he's gonna be able to carry the biker w/ a heart of gold schtick though.

I mean sooner or later he'd have to kill somebody ( and you'd think by this point in his " career " that he's have had to have done it already ).

There are some unlikable characters and Segal is one of them. I didn't like how she bertayed Jax by blabbing about what he asked her.

I will also find Fake Elvis, the guy with the Irish/English accent and the one non-bald biker that was boxing to be very very annoying.

Pearlman wasn't as bad as I thought he'd be or will eventually be.

I'm a big fan of Mitch Pilegi and hope he gets to have a better role than playing 2nd fiddle to Pearlman's group.

[Furtherman]

I mean sooner or later he'd have to kill somebody

There are some unlikable characters and Segal is one of them. I didn't like how she bertayed Jax by blabbing about what he asked her.

He did kill someone. He killed that guy who shot him in the back at the warehouse.

The whole point of Segal's character IS to be unlikeable. That whole speech she gave before goin' down on Perlman was to set up that she was the brains and most likely the boss of the whole operation.

I'm sure it will be revealed that she and Perlman killed Jax's Dad.

I forgot about the Vietnamese Elvis getting beat up. That was hilarious.

[JimBeam]

Did he kill that guy ?

I think he turned around to kill him, was dwelling on it, and then the guy just died.

Actually didn't the guy who noticed that he was a Nazi shoot him first ?

[Furtherman]

I'm pretty sure he was shot in the back, turned around and shot the guy, then he died shortly thereafter.

[JimBeam]

You could be right but I was remembering it as him getting hit, and then turning around and that guy getting shot from behind by another guy.

After that Pearlman was like " Finish it " and as he was contemplating it the guy just died.

Even if he did kill him it was more in responsive/defensive way.

To be the #2 in a biker gang I'm thinking you have to be a little more ruthless ( as he was w/ the Nazi that sold his ex-wife the drugs, but again his motivation could be seen as being heroic ).

I know it's nickel and diming but I just have a feeling e'll be wrestling w/ his moral comapss the whole season.

[Furtherman]

I know it's nickel and diming but I just have a feeling e'll be wrestling w/ his moral comapss the whole season.

And that will move the show along. Just like any cop or criminal show. You got your moral ones and your immoral ones. A show with just one kind would get boring fast.

[CambriaBurning]

The guy who plays Jax just walks like that, he's walked like that in everything I've seen him in. It is odd looking, but it's just the way it is, he's not trying to walk tough.

[TheMojoPin]

I had no idea people disliked Ron Pearlman so much.

[JimBeam]

I can take him or leave him

Hated him in that stupid Beauty & The Beast show when my mom used to watch it.

Hated him in Alien Ressurection and in whichever Blade he was in.

I enjoyed him in the first Hell Boy and although I haven't yet seen the 2nd once I think he'll be good again.

[Furtherman]

He was born to play Hellboy.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm dying for a Tom Waits/Ron Pearlman wacky buddy comedy entitled The Most Stunningly Handsome Men Who Ever Lived With Golden Voices Like Angels Singing From Heaven.

[JimBeam]

You can't tell me that that whole arm swaying thing that Jax does is his normal walk.

This show is only 2 episodes deep and it's silliness is already wearing thin.

Both the scene with the cop and the one in the gas station were completely ridiculous.

I'd prefer a little less random mayhem and attempts at comedy and a little better writing.

But again as with Entourage I'm still gonna watch.

That Irish guy's gotta go though.

[CambriaBurning]

You can't tell me that that whole arm swaying thing that Jax does is his normal walk.

This show is only 2 episodes deep and it's silliness is already wearing thin.

Both the scene with the cop and the one in the gas station were completely ridiculous.

I'd prefer a little less random mayhem and attempts at comedy and a little better writing.

But again as with Entourage I'm still gonna watch.

That Irish guy's gotta go though.

Either it's his normal walk, or it's the way he walks whether he's playing a biker, a soccer hooligan, or a slightly effeminate pretty boy college kid from England... either way, it's the only way I've ever seen him walk, without his hands in his pockets, and even then, his elbows sway around when he's walking like that.

Go to 2:15...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2LeHGlGAqw

Go to 1:54...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SstUs1iJP-4

Aaaaand, at the 4:00 mark on this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78U7d9qEEZo

[Furtherman]

That Irish guy's gotta go though.

He's Scottish.


I love Katie Segal's character. She's like Livia Soprano. Looks like Drea's character is going to pull through too.

And the ex-biker girl now doctor is a babe.

Try not to take the show so seriously. It's definitely entertaining.

[JimBeam]

What have I seen that doctor chick in ?

I'm too lazy to IMBD it.

Ahh as I write I think I know what it is.

She was, I think, in " 28 Weeks Later "

[JimBeam]

Man that was a bad closeup of Segal there.

She should ask them to never do that again.

I'm still disappointed that some of the writing in this show is so slapstickey.

The old cops drinking coffee with sleeping pills is something out of Andy Griffith or The A Team.

Very lame.

[Furtherman]

Balls on the ground. "Let him bleed out."

That was great.

[CambriaBurning]

Yeah... that was great. I'm getting into the show... hopefully it gets better.

[KatPw]

I think the show has potential. I wish it moved a little quicker, but that is my complaint about a lot of shows. WTF is the obsession with testicles though? First a pool cue to the nuts, then a biker character with one testicle, and now last nights episode. Makes me think that one of the writers has an issue with feeling emasculated.

[TjM]

Caught the first 3 eps on demand I thought it was a good show and I will add it to my DVR series recording

[TjM]

What have I seen that doctor chick in ?

I'm too lazy to IMBD it.

Ahh as I write I think I know what it is.

She was, I think, in " 28 Weeks Later "

Mad Men

[Chigworthy]

I had no idea people disliked Ron Pearlman so much.

Ron Pearlman sucks.
























I've always liked most of Ron Perlman's work, though.

[Legit Bill]

Great fucking show, I just watched the 1st 3 episodes last night. When the guy caught the axe in the head I almost jumped out of my seat.

[Grim Tim]

It's a macho show - compromising a guy's nuts is essential.

I think Ron Perlman was born to play Baron Underbheit from the Venture Bros:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y194/Dubgaill/Perlman.jpg

[Legit Bill]

The show really is The Godfather meets a biker bar on a Saturday night. They cut the guys balls off, but also keep the knife with the other guys prints...its a damn good show as far as I'm concerned.

[Furtherman]

"Jesus Christ!" Line of the night by slightly out of place Dutchboy playing the ATF stalker.

I was waiting for the Benny Hill music to kick in during that shootout. Even the A-Team was like, "What... only two guys shot? They were about 20 feet away from each other!"

Nevertheless, still a damn entertaining show.

[Grim Tim]

I had a film project in sixth grade that yielded better directing talent than that shootout scene.

I hope this isn't the edge of the slope for this show...

[Grim Tim]

Anybody happen to be able to get a still shot of Opie's collar tattoo? Seemed like it was a whole phrase, but the letters were too close together to figure it out. Anybody?

[Furtherman]

No idea what the tattoo said.

Not a great episode... until they torched ex-SOA & John From Cincinnati Butchie at the end! OW. OW. OW.

I hope they care of ATF Dutch in the next episode.

[JimBeam]

I've been watching every week but it's becoming harder and harder to stay with the show.

Some of the characters are just plain bad.

These are dirtbag, murdering pieces of crap and yet the town still reveres them ?

It's not even that it seems like they are afraid of them but that they are actually liked.

I think what bothers me most is that they never " lose ".

They win every fight/shootout they are in.

That's just plain sloppy writing.

On a plot note I was wondering why when they needed money to pay off the Irish guy they didn't turn the screws on the rich guy who's fingerprints they have on the knife.

I'm sure he could've given them a lot of money.

This past week was the worst yet. Jax and the doctor doing it w/ the dead guy right there ?
That was retarded. Here you have a woman who just shot a guy that was sexually assaulting her, she then witnesses the guy get murdered but she's still hot enough to do it w/ that goofball ? Not exactly the best time for the rekindling of a former romance.

[grlNIN]

I like the show more now then i did when i first started watching but it's still kinda like "augh".

I rally hate Ron Pearlman, i really can't get past that.

When i read this thread and have to reply, i find myself hating the show but otherwise i can watch it and not really care one way or another.

It's totally batshit ridiculous though. The last episode Jax and TAR-a(hate hate hate her) fucked on the bed next to the dead ATF guy. Yeah that would pretty much never happen and it was so stupid, expected and ridiculous.

[TonyStark]

I, too, am really surprised that so many people don't like Perlman. And I agree with furtherman, he was born for Hellboy.

[JimBeam]

I couldn't even list in order the people I hate on this show.

It's hard enough to list 1 I even like.

But I'll stay w/ it to the end of the season and hopefully half of them will be dead.

[Chimee]

I kinda like the fat guy.

[JimBeam]

That dude comes and goes as he pleases.

I don't think he had been in the show for weeks until the last 5 minutes last night.

[JimBeam]

I just noticed when I was reading the synopsis for the show last night that it's SAMCRO.

I've beenthinking it was Sam Crow the whole time.

What does it mean ?

I'm guessing the " MC " is " Motorcycle Club " but not sure about the rest.

[Chimee]

It think it's Sons of Anarchy Motorcycle Club something something.

For a while there I thought it was Sam Crow and that was like the founder's name or something until I saw it on a banner.

[TjM]

Sons of Anarchy Motorcycle Club Redwood Original

[JimBeam]

Now it all makes sense because I've heard that phrase numerous times.

[Contra]

Yeah I've been wondering what the hell SAMCRO is too! Anyone know?

[JimBeam]

Per TjM :

Sons of Anarchy Motorcycle Club Redwood Original

[grlNIN]

I knew what SAMCRO meant but i too, always assumed it was Sam Crow as the alias.

[TonyStark]

Ya, it makes way more sense after you figure that out, it took me a few episodes to figure that out myself.

[Mike Kingston]

Hmmm...I like this show a lot. Sure some of it is a little far fetched but that's TV and pretty much in the vein of FX cable dramas like Nip/Tuck.

I thought this weeks episode was the best yet. The stuff with the police chief in the club was humorous and Katy Sagal has the biggest balls of anyone on the show.

[flavopop]

I dig the sons too.. And Im also relieved to find out Im not the only Yo Yo who thought Sam Crow was someone affiliated to the gang. I was like...Why dont I remember this Sam Crow fella...lol

[grlNIN]

I finally caught Wednesdays episode last night and i thought it was pretty good.

I love how Cherry just bashed that agent in the face with a bottle, it was so random like couldn't she have just ran through a back entrance or something? She's so sassy.

And i can't remember where the ATF woman is from (what show) but i can't fucking stand her, she's perfect for this role. I loved it when Gemma told her to unscrew her penis. Ha.

[NYHCmikeX]

And i can't remember where the ATF woman is from (what show) but i can't fucking stand her, she's perfect for this role. I loved it when Gemma told her to unscrew her penis. Ha.

She was in Universal Soldier. I dont know if thats what you were thinking of, but its where I know her from.

[west milly Tom]

She was in Universal Soldier. I dont know if thats what you were thinking of, but its where I know her from.

She had her own show called the Profiler.

[west milly Tom]

It was brutal watching her face get smashed in

[west milly Tom]

I dig the sons too.. And Im also relieved to find out Im not the only Yo Yo who thought Sam Crow was someone affiliated to the gang. I was like...Why dont I remember this Sam Crow fella...lol



Holy shit, I didn't get the SAMCRO thing until reading this thread. Ha

[JimBeam]

A few weeks ago I said that there wasn't anybody on the show I could stand but now I know that it's the female DEA lady.

She's awesome and a good counter balance to the overly ridiculous Segal character.

I never watched the show but I think she was in The Profiler ( before or after the redhead w/ big cans from the 80's show " Just The Ten Of Us ". Jamie Lunar I believe.)

This show asks you to suspend reality more than the X Files and Twilight Zone combined.

It makes 98% of the plots in 24 seem reasonable.

OK so Unser allows Jax into the jail and now a prisoner is missing.

There's no investigation into how a prisoner is missing ?

The attitude was like " Oh well golly I guess they pulled one over on us ".

Right out of Andy Griffith or the Dukes Of Hazzard.

It's f-ing stupid.

At this point I want it to just end so I can stop watching.

[grlNIN]

5th page to get to this thread, i guess i am the only one who still watches it.

The show has really grown on me, more than i thought it would and Wednesday's episode just sucked me in 100%. I now need to see how this pans out.

I sincerely hope they get rid of Eyebrows McEyebrows though, she is such a man.

[Furtherman]

I thought this week's ending was pretty f'n brutal. Season finale next week.

[JimBeam]

I sincerely hope they get rid of Eyebrows McEyebrows though, she is such a man.

Who ?

The doctor ?

[BrentfromTN1]

I just wanted to say that I love this show. They do a great job with the intensity and craziness of the show. I know the plot is crazy sometimes, but it is TV.

[grlNIN]

Who ?

The doctor ?

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees.

She ruins every scene she is in.

It was great to see her start to revert to her psycho bitch persona at the baby's homecoming party.

[Chimee]

Her blank stare in just about every scene she's in is rather annoying.

[JimBeam]

Watching the season finale and the awful doctor is on now.

I'm also hearing Jax brag about how many women he's been with over the last 10 years.

What a tool.

[JimBeam]

OK well that episode sucked so I can easily say I will not be back.

Thanks for wasting 12 1/2 or so ours of my time FX.

Douche bags.

[Furtherman]

Based on Nielsen's Live+7 ratings over multi-telecasts, FX's Sons of Anarchy series delivered a weekly average audience of 3.9 million A18-49 and 5.83 million total viewers. FX renewed the series starring Charlie Hunnam, Katey Sagal and Ron Perlman for a second season set to debut next spring. FX Productions and Fox21 produce the series.

[Furtherman]

YO!

Anyone catch the season premiere this past Tuesday?

Awesome. This season looks to be great. Hello, Henry Rollins in a perfect role for himself.

And that ending.... wow... brutal.

http://mytakeontv.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/sons_of_anarchy_zoom1.jpg


Plus it got great ratings - 95% up over last season's premiere.

[JerseyRich]

YO!

Anyone catch the season premiere this past Tuesday?

Awesome. This season looks to be great. Hello, Henry Rollins in a perfect role for himself.

And that ending.... wow... brutal.

http://mytakeontv.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/sons_of_anarchy_zoom1.jpg


Plus it got great ratings - 95% up over last season's premiere.


It was a great season opener...

Meg Bundy has never looked so hot...

I didn't see one episode of season 1, but I think I can catch up pretty quickly...I'm diggin' it so far. Lovin' Henry too.

[Furtherman]

It was a great season opener...

Meg Bundy has never looked so hot...

I didn't see one episode of season 1, but I think I can catch up pretty quickly...I'm diggin' it so far. Lovin' Henry too.

The main plot left over from season 1 that you should know is about Opie, who came back from a "walkabout" because his wife was killed.

The gang thought Opie was ratting them out to the Feds but they only made it seem that way to cause dissension in the gang. A hit was put out on him and his wife was killed accidentally by Tig (the "Paaaaaper" guy in Waterworld). Only a couple of the members know this, but Jax (main character) and the old man with the oxygen tank want to make things right, but for now they blamed it on a rival gang, The Mayans.

But the Nazi's coming into town is a relatively new development.

[CambriaBurning]

The ending was amazingly brutal. They really started off the season by stirring up some major shit immediately.

[JerseyRich]

The main plot left over from season 1 that you should know is about Opie, who came back from a "walkabout" because his wife was killed.

The gang thought Opie was ratting them out to the Feds but they only made it seem that way to cause dissension in the gang. A hit was put out on him and his wife was killed accidentally by Tig (the "Paaaaaper" guy in Waterworld). Only a couple of the members know this, but Jax (main character) and the old man with the oxygen tank want to make things right, but for now they blamed it on a rival gang, The Mayans.

But the Nazi's coming into town is a relatively new development.


I pretty much understood all that just from this episode...thanks for the synopsis!

[nate1000]

For anyone interested, the song they've played behind every one of the preview commercials is Son's Gonna Rise by Citizen Cope. If you haven't heard before- pick up "Every Waking Moment"- phenominal summer CD. Perfect for backyard grilling, chilin on the boat, etc....

[Furtherman]

I pretty much understood all that just from this episode...thanks for the synopsis!

Oh.

Well, do know which biker is actually a robot?! HMMM!? HA!

[JerseyRich]

Oh.

Well, do know which biker is actually a robot?! HMMM!? HA!

Oh man! Now I have to rent season 1!

[cougarjake13]

It was a great season opener...

Meg Bundy has never looked so hot...

I didn't see one episode of season 1, but I think I can catch up pretty quickly...I'm diggin' it so far. Lovin' Henry too.

never watched the show before but seeing the previews with a hot meg bundy and henry rollins piqued my interest

[cougarjake13]

http://www.daemonstv.com/images/fx/soa_katey_sagal_interview.jpg


http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/heldenfiles/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/asons.jpg

[Furtherman]

Cumdog Millionaire.

[grlNIN]

Last night had too much of an anti-climactic ending, overall i thought the episode was OK but i guess they can't end every episode with a rape, try that they might.

Did anyone else feel like Rollins and Arkin had a gay-married vibe thing going on when Arkin got off the phone with the Mayans? It kind of made me laugh.

And they have severely toned down Eyebrows McEyebrows, looks like they have been tweezed down a lot, that or they're not doing any close ups of her face.

[Furtherman]

Did anyone else feel like Rollins and Arkin had a gay-married vibe thing going on when Arkin got off the phone with the Mayans? It kind of made me laugh.

Arkin is a sneaky Nazi isn't he? But I see Rollins turning against him as soon as he finds out he helped the Mayans.

[grlNIN]

Arkin is a sneaky Nazi isn't he? But I see Rollins turning against him as soon as he finds out he helped the Mayans.

Yeah pretty much. I don't buy Arkin being that into the "cause", at least not nearly as much as Rollins. You can tell the latter is going to pull something out of his hat simply over the fact that the rape didn't get to Gemma (on the surface) as he had hoped & anticipated.

I am anxious to see how this situation explodes and i can't wait to get to the episode in the montage where it looks like they drive into the house on a flatbed.

[Crispy123]

I watched the season 2 episodes based on this thread then I had to watch season 1. Originally I didnt want to watch this cause I got caught up hangin with an MC after gettin out of the USMC and it turned out that it wasnt a good time but now Im hooked on this show.

The tensions between Jax and Clay/Tig is good, Im interested to see where Bobby & Piney will line up. Juice is probably my favorite, the whole trying any drug without knowing what it is I can identify with and the doping the doberman had me laughin my ass off.

The whole Aryans and Gemma angle is going someplace good. Love the Rollins!

It also seems like Hale & Jax are both talkin more, possibly setting up some kind of relationship ala Clay and Unser. In my mind Unser probably started out a good guy but got caught up in his side trucking business, probably saw the guys in Samcro as "good guys" and slowly got in bed with them. Hale has already said he grew up w/ Jax & Opie on several occasions and he's goten a little disillusioned by the feds.

[JimBeam]

I know I said I wouldn't come back but it's been a slow TV season and my On Demand was calling my name.

The 1st episode was pretty good and I'm glad that c*unt Jemma got raped. She bothers me.

So now I'm through 4 episodes and there's really nothing other than the feeling of wasting some much time watching the show so far that makes me want to continue watching.

I've said it before but it just has such an unlikeable cast. There's not a single person w/ whom I identify as being worth anything.

Even the the good cop is annoying.

This cast makes the cast of Sex In The City seem like the cast of Seinfeld or The A Team.

It's all just so unbelievable.

We're supposed to believe that a woman goes to medical school, becomes a doctor, and then decides to chase her HS sweetheart knowing he or at the very least is associates are criminals ?

She loves him that much that she's gonna put up w/ all the crap that goes along w/ that ?

Doesn't make sense.

Unser's a cop, who at one time took an oath to uphold the law, and now is some kinda lackey to a motor cycle gang ?

It's on thing to look the other way when there's some robbing and stealing going on but he knows these guys are into much worse yet backs them ?

Sure the money is motivation but again it just seems hollow.

They've gotta throw me a bone and kill either Opie, The Doctor, Elvis Impersonator or the asshat w/ the mohawk kinda hair cut.

Those are easily some of the most unlikable characters ever written into a screenplay.

[grlNIN]

Suspension of disbelief, get over it.

[JimBeam]

I could if anything about the show was remotely believable.

Lost is a completely crazy show but I can buy into it because they give you some semblance of normallcy.

Entourage, as completely ridiculous as it is, isn't 1/100th as ludicrous as this show.

[grlNIN]

If you are buying into a show because of it's normalcy on any level then you are not suspending your disbelief.

Please stop showing up every 2 months to ruin the thread with your !outraged! posts.

[TjM]

I'm really digging this season so far. I think Clay and Jacks will bury their thing when they find out about Gemma

[Furtherman]

That was an intense episode. I like the "crazy Irish bitch" they introduced.

[grlNIN]

I thought for sure last night when Gemma broke the plate she was going to yell that she was raped. I really hope one of two things happens relatively soon: either Gemma comes out with what happened or Clay is found out and everyone turns on him and/or Tiggs and one of them gets murdered by Opie.

Curious to see where the introduction of Chibs' wife is going to go.

After last nights episode i am starting to feel like they re throwing too many ingredients into the pot now. The stuff carried over from last season, plus Gemma, now Chibs's wife, Luann's murder and Tara being surveyed at work is too fucking much. They really need to start wrapping up some of the looser ends that don't really drive the plot as much.

Otherwise this season is doing really well, still looking out to see if it's been picked up for round 3.

[epo]

Stupid Irish.

[TjM]

FUCK! What a finale. I hope Suters right and the renewal is almost a done deal

[Furtherman]

A great finale!

Next season.... Sons in Europe! That's where they might have to go to get the kid and Zobelle: Ireland and Budapest.

[Gmann]

I was really looking forward to seeing Half Sack get patched in. Thought that was how they were gonna end the season....OR start next season off. Didn't see that one coming.

[TjM]

I was really looking forward to seeing Half Sack get patched in. Thought that was how they were gonna end the season....OR start next season off. Didn't see that one coming.

Apparently the actor was unhappy in his role and wanted out

[TjM]

Good interview with Suter explain his thinking on the finale and some info for next season


Spoilers obviously

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/12/sons_of_anarchy_creator_kurt_s.html

[Gmann]

Apparently the actor was unhappy in his role and wanted out

I figured they were gonna do a whole ceremony type patch in thing. Kind of like when they finally swore Christopher in on The Sopranos.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

the season is not over guys the season finale is next week check hulu out.

[Gmann]

HULU is a week behind.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

HULU is a week behind.

ahhh fuck. i suck then never mind it just show i should cowboy up and get cable

[joeyballsack]

Great start to the season last night.

[Furtherman]

This show never fails to shock me. What an ending!

[Gutter]

This show never fails to shock me. What an ending!

agreed......thought it was a little slow and just as i'm starting become afraid that the show is going to fall into that season 3 malaise that lots of shows do......the last 10 minuets happen....people die, shootings, beatings....Jax is unleashed. gonna be an awesome season

[grlNIN]

Last night's episode was great, i think Hunnam really pulled off the emotionality of his character surprisingly well.

Was anyone else creeped out at the level of attention/affection Clay was showing towards Tara?

[JimBeam]

I gave up on this show through a few episodes of Season 2 mostly because the plot was ridiculous and the cast/characters were probably the most unlikable on any show I've ever watched.

I also can not get around the fact that we're supposed to sympathize/relate to these scumbags as if they are good guys because they might be less deplorable than another group ( a murdering, drug dealing black mailer is much more comfortable than a white supremcist business man ).

With that said what ended up happening w/ Henry Rollins and the other guy that lead that group ?

[Gutter]

I gave up on this show through a few episodes of Season 2 mostly because the plot was ridiculous and the cast/characters were probably the most unlikable on any show I've ever watched.

I also can not get around the fact that we're supposed to sympathize/relate to these scumbags as if they are good guys because they might be less deplorable than another group ( a murdering, drug dealing black mailer is much more comfortable than a white supremcist business man ).

With that said what ended up happening w/ Henry Rollins and the other guy that lead that group ?

Eventually they found out that Rollins character was the one responsible for Gemmas rape. The boys tracked him down to a tattoo artists shop and shot him in the bathroom after discovering that there was a rift that formed between Rollins character (Weston) and Zobelle after Weston found out that Zobelle's intentions in Charming were not motivated by racial/gang cleansing. This left Weston on his own. Zobelle had wanted to work with the Mayans all along to control the prison heroin trade which would have to go through Charming. Zobelle enlists the protection of the Mayans as he realizes he's being chased. The Sons ambush Zobelle and the Mayans, forcing the Mayans to retreat.....Zobelle seeks refuge in a public grocery store while the Sons wait, but the news of Jax son being kidnapped by Cameron (the irish mobster) cause them to turn their attention away from Zobelle. Zobelle is last seen on a plan heading to his home country of Budapest without his dead daughter (gunned down by Gemma) whom he arranged to meet at the airport. Season 2 ends with the Sons showing up short of catching Cameron who escapes with Jax son by speed boat.

[Gutter]

Last night's episode was great, i think Hunnam really pulled off the emotionality of his character surprisingly well.

Was anyone else creeped out at the level of attention/affection Clay was showing towards Tara?

yeeesssssssssss.....thought that was a little odd knowing his history with women on the show......was that half sack's chick that he was with in that one episode? might have even been season 1.

ultimately i think that scene was intended to show that a part of Tara is still reluctant in her whole situation and that Clay, the ultimate mastermind, knew he needed to get her completely on his side because of the impending FBI interrogation regarding Cameron and Jax's son.

[StanUpshaw]

The part with King might have been the hardest I've laughed all month.

[Crispy123]

The part with King might have been the hardest I've laughed all month.

He was great, totally creepy, but I laughed the most when the Guat bitch knocked the annoying Dr Tits out cold.

[Gutter]

He was great, totally creepy, but I laughed the most when the Guat bitch knocked the annoying Dr Tits out cold.

oh man.......i love Dr. Tits......shes smokin.

Stephen King was awesome......i knew he was going to make an appearance this season, but didn't expect him in that scene. i thought overall, it was actually a really funny episode.....i like how they brought half sacks girlfriend back into it cause i totally forgot that they sent her to Dublin (still don't remember why though).....little confused by the whole thing with the Guatamalan nurse.....if she was bangin Tig, couldn't Gemma have talked to him about bringin her around to their side? seemed a little excessive that they had to take her hostage, but i'm guessing the ramifications will show up in later episodes.....perhaps she's a relative of a Mayan member.....I'm pretty sure Gemma was dead wrong when she was telling her that nobody would notice her missing.

I'm hyped to see the boys head off to Dublin......i was surprised to see that SOA has a chapter there.

OH, AND THE BIGGEST REVEAL OF THE EPISODE......that Maureen (the blond woman caring for the baby) was involved back in the day with John Teller......thought that was quite the bombshell that could come up again when they get to Dublin. can't wait for next episode as usual.

[grlNIN]

OH, AND THE BIGGEST REVEAL OF THE EPISODE......that Maureen (the blond woman caring for the baby) was involved back in the day with John Teller......thought that was quite the bombshell that could come up again when they get to Dublin. can't wait for next episode as usual.


Watch, she's Jax's mom for realz! I would quit the show. I was like OMG it's Half-Sac's girl! and it took my boyfriend a few minutes to register it because her hair was a different color.

Stephen King taking the praying hands was hilarious, the faces back and forth between Gemma and Tiggs were so funny and appropriate, even for them.

And why the fuck did they even let Opie into the restaurant? Sometimes the most obvious shit like that annoys me.

[Gutter]

Watch, she's Jax's mom for realz! I would quit the show. I was like OMG it's Half-Sac's girl! and it took my boyfriend a few minutes to register it because her hair was a different color.

Stephen King taking the praying hands was hilarious, the faces back and forth between Gemma and Tiggs were so funny and appropriate, even for them.

And why the fuck did they even let Opie into the restaurant? Sometimes the most obvious shit like that annoys me.

i don't think they would go that way with it......maybe he has a half brother or something because of the relationship b/w maureen and Teller....but no doubt Gemma is his mom....i've always thought that Clay might actually be his father though...there were a few lines in season one that eluded to that. ......the surprise of Half-Sac's gf wasn't there for me at least, because in the "last time on SOA" they showed Gemma telling that girl she'd be safe from her warrants in Dublin, so i figured they'd be showing us whats up with her.....the surprise there was that for everyone i think was that she didn't know HS was dead.

I think they let Opie into the restaurant cause there was no way Opie would have not gone....he wouldn't have listened to them about that.....it just wasn't a scene that was filmed cause we're familiar enough with Opie at this point to know what he would have done in that situation. i REALLY enjoyed the scene with him and Jax at the clubhouse after though.......kind of finally buried the hatchet with the two of them with anything that might have been left over from last season.

[grlNIN]

I didn't catch the "previously on..." in the beginning since i narrowly made it home on time, i actually forgot it was on and was so excited. So anyway, yeah i didn't catch the part that showed that Cherry would be on.

I still think that the situation was important enough and required enough precaution to not allow Opie into the place. I mean the overall purpose for the money is for finding Abel, and Opie could have really fucked that up beyond repair.

[Gutter]

I didn't catch the "previously on..." in the beginning since i narrowly made it home on time, i actually forgot it was on and was so excited. So anyway, yeah i didn't catch the part that showed that Cherry would be on.

I still think that the situation was important enough and required enough precaution to not allow Opie into the place. I mean the overall purpose for the money is for finding Abel, and Opie could have really fucked that up beyond repair.

true true.......opie did pretty much ruin that whole thing.....they didn't get the money, and Clay had to make a shitty deal with the japanese dude to get the 6 guns he needs to supply those other bikers who are gonna help him with the Mayans.

[Gutter]

SPOILERS BE HERE.


So Opie made up for it last night......"sold his pan head"......interesting episode.....i thought they would have made it to Dublin by now, but I like the roadblocks they threw at the MC.....that whole thing of, no matter what you do, you just can't seem to get too far out of town......SAMCRO definitely fits that mold. The plan that the priest has is pretty sneaky.....use SAMCRO to kill Jimmy by sending Able away.....smart. and if Katy Segals acting hasn't gotten her an Emmy by now, this season, if not the just the one scene where she breaks down after bringing her dad to the home, than nothing will......that was awesome stuff there on both their parts.

[StanUpshaw]

I really hate the opening sequence. The morphing tattoo thing looks so fucking cheesy.

I also hate the actress who plays Agent Stahl. Every sentence starts with a sharp inhale, as if a profound thought just came to her. I wish she wasn't such a cartoon character.

[grlNIN]

I would just like to say that i knew Tara was pregnant. I just fucking knew it.

[Chimee]

Yeah, it was terribly obvious.

[StanUpshaw]

Hardest I've laughed in ages:

http://imgur.com/oVpLo.gif

[Crispy123]

I gotta say, the incest plot line is a pretty bold move.

[Gutter]

I gotta say, the incest plot line is a pretty bold move.

really strange....i found it very odd that three other shows i watch had some incest plot going on last week. family guy halloween episode, nick swardsons pretend time, blue mountain state, and always sunny in philly all had something about incest in their show recently. that whole thing went on for way too long. i was screaming at Jemma through the tv to just tell them already. Jax even seemed like he still wants to after watching last episode.

but man, does Sutter know how to leave fans with a cliffhanger!!! what was Tara thinking telling Salazar that his gf was dead? i would've played it like she was sleeping while i went looking in the glove box for an extra gun. next two episodes should be really good.

[StanUpshaw]

really strange....i found it very odd that three other shows i watch had some incest plot going on last week. family guy halloween episode, nick swardsons pretend time, blue mountain state, and always sunny in philly all had something about incest in their show recently. that whole thing went on for way too long. i was screaming at Jemma through the tv to just tell them already. Jax even seemed like he still wants to after watching last episode.

but man, does Sutter know how to leave fans with a cliffhanger!!! what was Tara thinking telling Salazar that his gf was dead? i would've played it like she was sleeping while i went looking in the glove box for an extra gun. next two episodes should be really good.

Here's what I don't get:

Dr. Boobs slices chola and takes her gun. Cholo turns his back to check on chola. Dr. Boobs DOESN'T FUCKING SHOOT CHOLO. She's a goddamn idiot.

[Gutter]

Here's what I don't get:

Dr. Boobs slices chola and takes her gun. Cholo turns his back to check on chola. Dr. Boobs DOESN'T FUCKING SHOOT CHOLO. She's a goddamn idiot.

i thought the same thing. i wanted her to shoot them so friggin bad...would've been totally justified. maybe its still part of her apprehension about becoming fully involved with the club.....she's thinking she shoots this dude and his chick, her boss never sees her the same way, she can never go back to the hospital, and she's locked into the MC life forever. thats kind of how i rationalized it.....it may come out in some piece of dialog between her and Jax when they see each other again.

[epo]

Could they put more commercial time in the season finale?

[epo]

Opie and Chibs win.

[Crippler]

Fan-fucking-tastic finale. I was worried a couple of times this year that they were getting a little crazy & the ending would disappoint, but I couldn't have been more wrong. I was highly entertained.

[Crispy123]

Opie and Chibs win.

This alone made it my favorite season so far.

and I was saying the same shit to my girl about the commercials. thank the gods for dvr.

[Gutter]

most intense hour and whatever of television i've ever seen.

i loved the twist at the end, and i love how stupid they made me feel. the realization where i'm saying to myself, "OHHHH GOOOODDD......OF COURSE!!!! JAX HAS ALLLLLWAYS BEEN SMARTER THAN THAT" then i was thinking, but how is he going to explain this to the rest of the club? and i had to go.......duhhhhhhhhhhhh they were ALLLL in on it!!!! haha. awesome twist.

I also love that Clay thanked Unser before it all went down and i didn't get why until after it all happened.

and then the best is when Chibbs sliced Jimmy O's cheeks finally getting him back for his scars. that was bad ass.

and literally 5 min before Unser pulls over the ATF car i was wishing for nothing else more in the world for someone to put a bullet in the back of that wretched cunts head.

[IamFogHat]

So I just started watching on Netflix, I like it by the way, but I have a question, are Jews allowed in biker gangs? And why do they not like the dead neo nazi dude? Aren't biker gangs notoriously of that ilk? Is it just a matter of they had to make them a bit more likeable for television? Just curious.

[Chigworthy]

So I just started watching on Netflix, I like it by the way, but I have a question, are Jews allowed in biker gangs? And why do they not like the dead neo nazi dude? Aren't biker gangs notoriously of that ilk? Is it just a matter of they had to make them a bit more likeable for television? Just curious.

Bobby is a jew, and talks about it during the show. The Hell's Angels have a hispanic feeder club out here. I think they are more about business than anything.

[deliciousV]

So I just started watching on Netflix, I like it by the way, but I have a question, are Jews allowed in biker gangs? And why do they not like the dead neo nazi dude? Aren't biker gangs notoriously of that ilk? Is it just a matter of they had to make them a bit more likeable for television? Just curious.

You're gonna need to torrent season 3, Netflix only has 1&2. If you can find a storage site that'll let me upload 4.44 gig I'll put it up for you.

[Gutter]

So I just started watching on Netflix, I like it by the way, but I have a question, are Jews allowed in biker gangs? And why do they not like the dead neo nazi dude? Aren't biker gangs notoriously of that ilk? Is it just a matter of they had to make them a bit more likeable for television? Just curious.

As Jax begins to discover the true origins and intention of the creation of the club, you'll begin to understand more. Its not a spoiler, but from the first episode of the show, the club has already become a bastardized version of its original intention. It wasn't born out of a need to separate from a larger group, but instead was created to bring everyone together including the people in the town they all live in.

[Gutter]

SPOILER ALERT FOR FOGHAT!!!!!!




Here's some cool info from Wikipeidia about Season 4:

Kurt Sutter has stated that there will be a 14 month time lapse to allow for the majority of SAMCRO's prison sentence to occur offscreen, but is undecided on whether to start the season with them in prison, or after they have been released.[14] "There will be a new mayor, a new chapter and a new sheriff. The 21st century is going to land at SAMCRO's doorstep." Danny Trejo will guest star as Romero “Romeo” Parada, a former Mexican military commando. Rockmond Dunbar and LaMonica Garrett join the cast as Sheriff Eli Roosevelt and Deputy Sheriff Cane respectively.[15] On May 16, 2011 on his official blog, Kurt Sutter announced "Appisodes" that will be mini-episodes available first via the Sons of Anarchy Mobile App and then added to the show's official website and YouTube later on. The number of mini-episodes is not confirmed although Kurt Sutter did confirm that the content of those episodes will deal with goings-on during the fourteen month gap between seasons 3 and 4 chronologically.

Also, just last night, Sutter posted on his facebook that the one and only David Hasslehoff will have a recurring role in the new season as a former porn star who now makes girl/girl flicks. awesome.

[JimBeam]

So I just started watching on Netflix, I like it by the way, but I have a question, are Jews allowed in biker gangs? And why do they not like the dead neo nazi dude? Aren't biker gangs notoriously of that ilk? Is it just a matter of they had to make them a bit more likeable for television? Just curious.

That's one of the things that turned me off to the show and why i stopped watching.

They were making it out as those these scumbag drug dealers and murderers were somehow good guys when you compared them to other, more easily unlikeable stereotypes.

[Crispy123]

That's one of the things that turned me off to the show and why i stopped watching.

They were making it out as those these scumbag drug dealers and murderers were somehow good guys when you compared them to other, more easily unlikeable stereotypes.

We must be watching 2 different shows. They are portrayed as compelling figures but I wouldn't say the show portrays them as "good" guys. Things certainly aren't turning up roses for any of the characters on the show.

[JimBeam]

I think I stopped watching less than midway through Season 2.

When the sheriff and the deputy ( more reluctantly than the crooked sheriff ) were helping them as if the other guys ( in one instance the white supremecists ) were worse.

Why reasonable people can debate whether or not a group can post up fliers and have meetings about being all white is as bad as people who assault others for sitting on their bikes I think we should all agree that when both become murderers that they are now equally as bad.

I've blocked a lot of the show out since I really disliked it after the 1st season so I can't recall exact points that bothered me but they were there.

[Crispy123]

I think I stopped watching less than midway through Season 2.

When the sheriff and the deputy ( more reluctantly than the crooked sheriff ) were helping them as if the other guys ( in one instance the white supremecists ) were worse.

Why reasonable people can debate whether or not a group can post up fliers and have meetings about being all white is as bad as people who assault others for sitting on their bikes I think we should all agree that when both become murderers that they are now equally as bad.

I've blocked a lot of the show out since I really disliked it after the 1st season so I can't recall exact points that bothered me but they were there.

yeah they explore those themes more as the show goes on. the last 2 seasons were really good.

[deliciousV]

I think I stopped watching less than midway through Season 2.

When the sheriff and the deputy ( more reluctantly than the crooked sheriff ) were helping them as if the other guys ( in one instance the white supremecists ) were worse.

Why reasonable people can debate whether or not a group can post up fliers and have meetings about being all white is as bad as people who assault others for sitting on their bikes I think we should all agree that when both become murderers that they are now equally as bad.

I've blocked a lot of the show out since I really disliked it after the 1st season so I can't recall exact points that bothered me but they were there.

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

As with a lot of shows you have to suspend disbelief, in this case the point is that while being some pretty bad guys, Samcro may run guns out of their town, but they actually assist local law by not allowing other crime to take place in their town, like drug running, selling , or manufacturing, all of which the skin head leader was trying to get started. Samcro brings guns thru Charming, but sells them to gangs and thugs in other towns, never inside their own city.

That makes them better bad guys and the lesser of two eivils. and lets not forget there was a gang rape that the police knew about and knew who dunnit, but couldn't prove.

[Gutter]

its definitely been a fine line between the lesser of two evils during those seasons....but its acknowledged on the show. The alliance between the gang and the cops was made possible in some really creative ways and intelligent positioning by Jax....He's a real master mind of a character. Season two really explored that shift in leadership where Clay wanted to go all out bad ass biker gang and Jax wanted to make the entire club more legit. I thought they did a really good job of explaining why the town needs the club in that season as Charming is a major way point for drug running and would be in the middle of a turf war between the Mexican biker gang and the black gang in the city without the Sons.

[JimBeam]

I think for me that all of the characters were just unlikeable and I couldn't suspend disbelief that much.

An example was the doctor chick who was hanging out with these guys, known scumbags of many varieties, and then acting like she wasn't guilty by asscociation.

She was just such an awful character/actress that I didn't care to give her any benefit of the doubt.

[Gutter]

I think for me that all of the characters were just unlikeable and I couldn't suspend disbelief that much.

An example was the doctor chick who was hanging out with these guys, known scumbags of many varieties, and then acting like she wasn't guilty by asscociation.

She was just such an awful character/actress that I didn't care to give her any benefit of the doubt.

she's probably the most hated character on the show. Fans of Sons DO NOT like her at all. I think she's referred to as Dr. Tits. hahaha.

I enjoy the dynamic between her normal life and Jax's mess of a life and how the two bleed into each other. Obviously, Jax's world bleeds into her's more than hers into his, but it works for me because they make note on the show that they have a pretty deep history, and there was a reason for her coming back to Charming, and there was also a MAJOR reason for them getting back together during that second season that I won't ruin for FogHats sake. I can also see how ppl hate her character.

[JimBeam]

But even in Season 1 I felt they tried to make the female FBI woman, trying to put bad people in jail, seem less likeable than the gang.

[deliciousV]

she's probably the most hated character on the show. Fans of Sons DO NOT like her at all. I think she's referred to as Dr. Tits. hahaha.

I enjoy the dynamic between her normal life and Jax's mess of a life and how the two bleed into each other. Obviously, Jax's world bleeds into her's more than hers into his, but it works for me because they make note on the show that they have a pretty deep history, and there was a reason for her coming back to Charming, and there was also a MAJOR reason for them getting back together during that second season that I won't ruin for FogHats sake. I can also see how ppl hate her character.

I honestly don't have a problem with her, her and Jax grew up together and dated, she goes away and becomes a Doc but when trouble hits her life she's drawn back to the strong bad boy to protect her.

[Chigworthy]

Why reasonable people can debate whether or not a group can post up fliers and have meetings about being all white is as bad as people who assault others for sitting on their bikes I think we should all agree that when both become murderers that they are now equally as bad.

You must have missed the rape and meth manufacture/sale and political manipulation the neos were doings. Those are the things that set them apart from SAMCRO. And I don't understand why people claim to want a realistic show about bad guys. This is basically a soap opera, and people will dump a show two episodes in if the protagonists are portrayed as unlikable scumbags.

[JimBeam]

I did see the rape by in my opinion Peggy Bundy is as much a piece of shit as any of them so she lives in a world where that shit happens ( would be silly to think none of the members of that gang have ever raped a woamn ) she gets no sympathy for falling victim to it.

I obviously don't agree w/ people being raped or making/selling drugs but it's safe to imply that SAMCRO is just as much involved in both things and worse. But I guess since the other guys were racists they were the worse bad guys.

It's not like The Wire where the cops were for the most part " good guys " but just did some bad things. SAMCRO do bad things that are passed off as for the " greater good ".

I just can't get past that.

" ... episodes in if the protagonists are portrayed as unlikable scumbags. "

I disagree. Look at The Sopranos and The Brotherhood.

Both shows had scumbags, in polite society, as main characters but had people watching.

[StanUpshaw]

The show has a lot of problems. Of course the biggest one is the conflict between viewers' empathy with/disgust for these violent sociopaths.

The writers will play up either side depending on what themes they're working on that week. They probably think they're being deep, but I think it just results in the audience not being able to fully invest in the characters. I know I don't give a fuck about any of them (except maybe Opie).

Also, by keeping your heroes as these murky shades of grey, it forces the writers to invent villains like Stahl that have no depth or nuance, that are just over-the-top evil.


All that said...it's still an entertaining show. Biker gangs are cool :thumbup:

[Chigworthy]

I did see the rape by in my opinion Peggy Bundy is as much a piece of shit as any of them so she lives in a world where that shit happens ( would be silly to think none of the members of that gang have ever raped a woamn ) she gets no sympathy for falling victim to it.

I obviously don't agree w/ people being raped or making/selling drugs but it's safe to imply that SAMCRO is just as much involved in both things and worse. But I guess since the other guys were racists they were the worse bad guys.

It's not like The Wire where the cops were for the most part " good guys " but just did some bad things. SAMCRO do bad things that are passed off as for the " greater good ".

I just can't get past that.

" ... episodes in if the protagonists are portrayed as unlikable scumbags. "

I disagree. Look at The Sopranos and The Brotherhood.

Both shows had scumbags, in polite society, as main characters but had people watching.

Well Jax and the rest of the gang have talked about keeping hard drugs out of Charming multiple times. And there was never any indication that any of them were pro-rape either.


And the Sopranos thing is exactly what I'm saying. All those characters were just as scumbagged as SAMCRO but the viewers look past those aspects and end up empathizing and rooting for the bad guy. It's a pretty common thing in our entertainment. Good Fellas, Justin Bieber, you name it.

[IamFogHat]

I'm a few more episodes in and I take it back, they're pretty damn racist. Thus far though I feel like they haven't struck that balance of portraying horrible human beings in such a way that we relate to them anyway and fall in love with them like they did on The Sopranos.
I still dig the show, it just has some glaring flaws.

[JimBeam]

It's not like The Wire where the cops were for the most part " good guys " but just did some bad things. SAMCRO do bad things that are passed off as for the " greater good ".

Sorry I meant to write The Shield and not The Wire.

Well Jax and the rest of the gang have talked about keeping hard drugs out of Charming multiple times.

Probably but they don't care if it goes on in other places so that doesn't make them noble to me in any way.

[Chigworthy]

Probably but they don't care if it goes on in other places so that doesn't make them noble to me in any way.

You'd be better off with "Team America: World Police"

[deliciousV]

Sorry I meant to write The Shield and not The Wire.



Probably but they don't care if it goes on in other places so that doesn't make them noble to me in any way.

but it does explain why they local Charming Police would end up with at least a loose relationship with them, they do help keep some bad stuff outside their city limits and they repay violators in ways cops can only dream of.

[StanUpshaw]

What is it about this fucking show?

EVERY COP MUST INHALE SHARPLY BEFORE SAYING ANYTHING!!!!!!!



That actress who played Stahl was unbearable to listen to. Every fucking sentence it sounded like she had been underwater and needed to gasp for air before delivering her line.

This new black cop does it too, but it's not nearly as bad.

[Chimee]

I find the weird Fed guy hard to watch because I can't help but think of him as the preacher from Deadwood.

[Chigworthy]

I find the weird Fed guy hard to watch because I can't help but think of him as the preacher from Deadwood.

It's basically the same character with a hipster leather coat and a Triumph bike.

[deliciousV]

I stay away from anything that reeks of spoilers when it comes to this show so I know nothing, but it's feeling like they have to kill Clay before this season's over. That fucker is digging a hell of a hole, I don't know how they get him out of it.

[Chigworthy]

I stay away from anything that reeks of spoilers when it comes to this show so I know nothing, but it's feeling like they have to kill Clay before this season's over. That fucker is digging a hell of a hole, I don't know how they get him out of it.

The show has been angling towards Jax battling Clay since day one. It will be the end of the show when it happens (hopefully).

[Kevin]

I know she was a Cunt but the look in the porn stars face after Jax slammed her in the mirror and grabbed her by the throat was so hard to watch.

[StanUpshaw]

I think they've made it really difficult to give a shit what happens to these scumbags. And it's not like you can root for the cops to win, since they're even bigger scumbags.

Clay triumphing? Jax triumphing? It's like trying to get me interested in who's the president of NAMBLA.

Just show me crazy biker shit and keep the drama out of it.

[deliciousV]

Nah, I feel like they've done a good job painting Jax as the least dirty of the dirt bags, so I'm kinda rooting for him to come out on top, whatever that means. Maybe he ends up with the kinda club his dad wanted before Clay offed him and they'll get fat like the jew and ride in parades with Shriners, that right there is compelling TV.

[Chigworthy]

I've hated all of these fuckers, except maybe Piney, since they forgave Tig for killing Opie's wife. With this show and Breaking Bad, I've found that the whole concept that you have to root for someone to be involved in a story is false. EVERY main character on both shows is a boiling pile of shit and should either be locked away for life or killed, yet I love both shows.

[Chimee]

I don't hate Bobby, but I'm afraid Clay is gonna kill him by the end of the season.

[Crispy123]

I don't hate Bobby, but I'm afraid Clay is gonna kill him by the end of the season.

No way, Clay is going down. Chief Unsler (sp?) is going to put one in the back of his head.

[Gutter]

As much as I love this show, I might honestly be completely ok with this being the last season ever. Its so stressful rooting for Jax and Dr. Boobs and seeing them get into these awful situations. I want to see them get out clean. its what makes the show so good.

[Chimee]

Sons of Anarchy is being renewed for a fifth season. (http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20111017/tv_nm/us_sonsofanarchy)

Looks like Jax won't be getting out after all.

[bohicanator]

If it weren't for Ron Perlman, the show wouldn't ever have made it onto my radar.

He's a pretty enjoyable actor, he's got the acting chops, and I'm sure he brings a significant contingent of fans to the table.

Piney is a brilliant character, and well cast.
There is some other good casting too.

Low points of the show are the soap-opery shit and "SOA Carnival-Day" with the Dunk the Clown and face-painting horseshit. Also the belly-aching of various women and the dramatic Hospital scenes Boooo.

I want to see guns deals gone bad, double crosses and shoot-outs. The crooked cops is always a nice touch of realism, and a catfight here and there for good measure is fine too i reckon.

I give the show a 6.5

[Gutter]

stay with it. almost everything that happens on this show has a ripple effect throughout. And there is plenty of what you mention you want to see as the show gets later into the season.

[Chigworthy]

Low points of the show are the soap-opery shit and "SOA Carnival-Day" with the Dunk the Clown and face-painting horseshit

I'm not sure how it's soap-opery to show how Outlaw MC's in real life gain approval from otherwise law-supporting communities by staging frequent fake community-service events like toy drives and carnivals. If you don't think that is realistic, head down to your local Harley store and read the bulletin board or the event cards on the counter and attend any of the events listed there. You will see all kinds of face-painting, dunk tanks, and Santa Claus wearing club colors and taking pictures with kids. Be sure to tell the guys with "1%" patches that are running the show how you think it is soap opery shit.

http://www.angelfire.com/az3/81sonomaco/Picture100.jpg

[StanUpshaw]

I think we're going to have to change her name from Dr. Boobs to Dr. Spare Tire.

[deliciousV]

I think we're going to have to change her name from Dr. Boobs to Dr. Spare Tire.

the woman had a little outlaw biker baby, an ounce of slack is in order.

[Gutter]

the woman had a little outlaw biker baby, an ounce of slack is in order.

she's still hot.

[Chigworthy]

Dr. Dat Ass

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Dr boobs may have the worst hairstyle ever.

[StanUpshaw]

Does Lem have to get blown up in EVERY series he does?

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Kurt Sutter had to kill him off because he got a job on Prime Suspects on NBC..... it got cancelled yesterday.

[cougarjake13]

she's still hot.



easily


maybe even hotter

[deliciousV]

are you fucking kidding me? Wow.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

to be honest it didn't faze me like any other chacter would I'm kind of glad actually.

[deliciousV]

"Half Sack" from the first couple of seasons, DEAD.

http://news.yahoo.com/sons-anarchy-actor-johnny-lewis-murder-suspect-found-111527083--abc-news-celebrities.html

[MIKEYDAKEN]

You think the Irish did it?

[deliciousV]

You think the Irish did it?

wouldn't be the first time

[Dell]

"Half Sack" from the first couple of seasons, DEAD.

http://news.yahoo.com/sons-anarchy-actor-johnny-lewis-murder-suspect-found-111527083--abc-news-celebrities.html

I don't remember the guy, but my wife showed me the internet item on it...I'll go back to some old episodes, but I'll keep thinking about how he should have killed himself without taking the lady out

sad shit!

[deliciousV]

I don't remember the guy, but my wife showed me the internet item on it...I'll go back to some old episodes, but I'll keep thinking about how he should have killed himself without taking the lady out

sad shit!

you and me both, offing little old ladies, even the Son's don't stoop that low.
I was reading on the net that he asked to leave the show over "creative difficulties", now he appears to have killed his landlord, good thinking, he obviously had the creative juices to disagree with the director.

[Dell]

you and me both, offing little old ladies, even the Son's don't stoop that low.
I was reading on the net that he asked to leave the show over "creative difficulties", now he appears to have killed his landlord, good thinking, he obviously had the creative juices to disagree with the director.

not up on the synthetic drugs, so I didn't recognize the one he was rumored to be on...what's wrong with alcohol and drugs available?

what kind of drugs and alcohol do we have back there Earl?..

[Dell]

BTW...didn't Katey Segal look HOT in the season premiere?

just wish her character wasn't so bitchy...but, that makes for a good show

[Kevin]

BTW...didn't Katey Segal look HOT in the season premiere?

just wish her character wasn't so bitchy...but, that makes for a good show

If you like that haggered, ridden hard and put away wet look then sure!

[Dell]

If you like that haggered, ridden hard and put away wet look then sure!

okay...works for me

:smoke:

[Dell]

If you like that haggered, ridden hard and put away wet look then sure!

you young guys are a LOT pickier than my generation...pretty and in good shape is enough for this old boy

[cougarjake13]

BTW...didn't Katey Segal look HOT in the season premiere?

just wish her character wasn't so bitchy...but, that makes for a good show


got pics?

[deliciousV]

anybody else notice that the tranny on tonights episode was played by the guy who plays Boyd Crowder on Justified?

[Kevin]

anybody else notice that the tranny on tonights episode was played by the guy who plays Boyd Crowder on Justified?



It took me a few secs but Yes.

What a whacky fucking ep.

[NickyL0885]

It took me a few secs but Yes.

What a whacky fucking ep.

Apparently, the part when he kissed Jax as he left, was completely improvised. I was dying during that whole scene.

[deliciousV]

Apparently, the part when he kissed Jax as he left, was completely improvised. I was dying during that whole scene.

Tig was killing me, the way he was lookng at the tranny, and the way Bobby was looking at him. And Boyd Crowder made a hell of a funny, big titted tranny.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Tig really played that scene creepily good. Juice couldn't keep a straight face.