The winner of the Manny sweepstakes is...

[K.C.]

Florida.

July 30, 2008, 06:05 PM ET
Manny looks headed to Miami

by John Perrotto

Multipe baseball sources say the Red Sox are on the verge of sending disgrunted left fielder Manny Ramirez to the Marlins in a trade for a package of three players that included low Class A Greensboro outfielder Mike Stanton, an 18-year-old who is hitting .275/.351/.569 with 26 home runs in 96 games.


This has caught fire EVERYWHERE. Too much smoke for this one to not be true.

[HBox]

Mike Stanton isn't 18!

[K.C.]

Mike Stanton isn't 18!

American birth records must be worse than Dominican.




Manny's still in the lineup, so it's not official, but nobody is denying the report right now, and everyone is picking it up.

[cougarjake13]

damn these fish wont die

[TheGameHHH]

thats been reported for a few hours but it hasnt gotten past the "on the verge" stage. ill believe it when i see it as official.

[K.C.]

It's being reported on MLB.com that they're trying to bring Pittsburgh in to make it a three way, with Jason Bay going to the Red Sox, and the prospects going to Pittsburgh.


That's the hang up.

[TheGameHHH]

It's being reported on MLB.com that they're trying to bring Pittsburgh in to make it a three way, with Jason Bay going to the Red Sox, and the prospects going to Pittsburgh.


That's the hang up.

wow, surprisingly thats a solid deal for all 3 teams i think

[K.C.]

wow, surprisingly thats a solid deal for all 3 teams i think

I would imagine if they don't get that done, the Red Sox would get Hermida, and lesser prospects then the ones the Marlins are offering.

But yeah, Manny to the Fish, Bay to the Sox, a bunch of prospects to the Pirates.

Meets all three teams' needs.

[led37zep]

The giants are never named in any of these trades. :furious::furious:

[cougarjake13]

The giants are never named in any of these trades. :furious::furious:

they dont have anybody that anyone wants cept lincecum but they wont trade em

[K.C.]

The giants are never named in any of these trades. :furious::furious:

You'll take Aaron Rowand and you'll LIKE it!!!!




Don't worry, though. I'm fully confident the Mets will trade their next Scott Kazmir for Randy Winn before tomorrow.

[cougarjake13]

You'll take Aaron Rowand and you'll LIKE it!!!!




Don't worry, though. I'm fully confident the Mets will trade their next Scott Kazmir for Randy Winn before tomorrow.

at least theyd get something productive out of winn

[DiabloSammich]

It's being reported on MLB.com that they're trying to bring Pittsburgh in to make it a three way, with Jason Bay going to the Red Sox, and the prospects going to Pittsburgh.


That's the hang up.


It'll probably end up like dougrasso's three way.

[K.C.]

Latest update has Manny and Grabow to the Marlins, Bay and Jack Wilson to the Sox, Hermida and Jed Lowrie and prospects to the Pirates

[NickyL0885]

Latest update has Manny and Grabow to the Marlins, Bay and Jack Wilson to the Sox, Hermida and Jed Lowrie and prospects to the Pirates

Not bad. Good deal all around. but Lowrie is gonna be a good player. Wilson plays great D just cant hit for shit.

[K.C.]

Not bad. Good deal all around. but Lowrie is gonna be a good player. Wilson plays great D just cant hit for shit.

Yeah, if the Pirates can snag Hermida, Lowrie, and a couple good prospects for Bay, Wilson, and Grabow...that's a nice haul for them.

Could be the first smart trade they've made in a long time.

Really has the potential to be a good trade all around.

[midwestjeff]

Yuck.
The ATL radio guys just read a Manny quote from today
that was something like "The Red Sox don't deserve a player like me.".
Have fun with that FLA.

[TheGameHHH]

Yuck.
The ATL radio guys just read a Manny quote from today
that was something like "The Red Sox don't deserve a player like me.".
Have fun with that FLA.

but........but thats just Manny being Manny, its so funny and hilarious. he's one of the "idiots" so he can just say and do things without consequence.

[underdog]

Latest update has Manny and Grabow to the Marlins, Bay and Jack Wilson to the Sox, Hermida and Jed Lowrie and prospects to the Pirates

I really wish they'd stop trading highly rated SS.

I miss Hanley Ramirez. :glurps:

but........but thats just Manny being Manny, its so funny and hilarious. he's one of the "idiots" so he can just say and do things without consequence.

If he continues to hit like he always does, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. Chemistry is so amazingly overrated in baseball anyway.

[spadanko]

WIll Carrol says ts done

Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus says the Red Sox, Pirates and Marlins have agreed to a three-team Manny Ramirez deal, pending Ramirez waiving his no-trade clause and league approval.

Carroll, not normally one of our preferred sources, has the Red Sox getting Jason Bay and John Grabow; the Marlins acquiring Ramirez, cash and a prospect from the Red Sox and the Pirates picking up Jeremy Hermida, two prospects from the Marlins and one from Boston. Jul. 30 - 9:52 pm et

[dino_electropolis]

cant the fkn mets get this loud mouth already?????


we could certainly use his bat

[spadanko]

gmmons says not so fast

The Manny Ramirez trade conversations are expected to continue into Thursday, according to a source. Because it's a very complicated deal, involving a player who has the right to veto the trade and other parts, it is still unlikely to happen. But the negotiations will go on.

[jonyrotn]

Big Papi is the face of the franchise..If he doesn't wanna save Manny's ass then it's probably best to get rid of him now..
Plus, Bay could hit 50 HRs in Fenway if he hits in front of Ortiz..
Although I would prefer Lowrie to Wilson, who can't hit a fuckin lick..
Underdog is right about us keeping a prospect SS..I'm VERY tired of veteran shortstops coming to Boston and totally shiting the bed..

[joeyballsack]

Blech.

Nothing about this deal excites me a bit. Sox give up a HOF'er and get back a ho hum OF and a marginal MR.

This season is quickly turning into a huge steaming pile of shit.

[K.C.]

Depending on whether Wilson/Lowrie is in the deal will determine how I evaluate it for the Pirates.

For the Marlins, this is huge. They are now the front runners in the NL East.

For the Red Sox...meh...I don't know how Bay can be seen as an upgrade, or even a lateral move with Manny. Grabow may be a nice pickup, though.


If Wilson and Lowrie are in this deal, it's great for the Pirates (who would get Hermida, Lowrie, and two other prospects) and a desperate move for the Red Sox (Wilson would be a defensive upgrade at short for this season, but long term, Lowrie is a good prospect).

[TheMojoPin]

Nice deal.

Don't underestimate Bay, Sox fans. Excellent and consistent hitter and very good fielder.

[K.C.]

Don't underestimate Bay, Sox fans. Excellent and consistent hitter and very good fielder.

That's true. But I don't exactly envy the guy replacing Manny Ramirez in Boston, during a playoff stretch run.

[OGC]

If Lowrie is in the deal, who ends up playing shortstop for the Red Sox ?

[K.C.]

If Lowrie is in the deal, who ends up playing shortstop for the Red Sox ?

The rumor is that they would get Jack Wilson from the Pirates.

But that part of the deal is not confirmed, and it's not reported in Will Carrol's report, so it doesn't look like it's in.

[K.C.]

Christ, the Marlins are really going for the throat:

Amid the rumblings that the Marlins may be acquiring Manny Ramirez, comes another potential trade that would reshape the ballclub. There is strong speculation that first baseman Mike Jacobs could be headed to the Giants for catcher Bengie Molina.

Jacobs was lifted from Wednesday's game against the Mets in the sixth inning for defensive purposes. Typically, the lefty hitter will be replaced no earlier than the seventh inning.

"It crossed my mind," Jacobs said when asked if he felt he was removed early because of a trade. "Nobody came and said anything."

Asked if he would be surprised if he is traded, Jacobs said: "I would not be surprised. Anything at this point wouldn't surprise me."

-- Joe Frisaro

Not sure who would play 1B if they traded Jacobs (maybe they have someone in-house) but Molina is having an excellent season.

[underdog]

For the Red Sox...meh...I don't know how Bay can be seen as an upgrade, or even a lateral move with Manny. Grabow may be a nice pickup, though.

He's 7 years younger with basically the same numbers. He's been one of the best OFs in the league for the last 2 - 3 years, but he's playing in Pittsburg so no one really noticed.

And he's white, so Boston will love him.

Underdog is right about us keeping a prospect SS..I'm VERY tired of veteran shortstops coming to Boston and totally shiting the bed..

I understand we got Lowell and Beckett for the deal and we won the WS. And that was the goal and it was awesome. But just picture Hanley Ramirez playing for the Red Sox for the next 15 years. He was possibly one of the top 5 players in the league last year and he was 23.

It also makes me laugh at how many deals the Red Sox turned down that involved Casey Fossum but shipped Ramirez off relatively quickly.

[spadanko]

they asked jacobs after the game, but he hadn't heard anything. i heard this rumor too. looks like it is going to be a 3 team race my fine feathered friend

oh and cantu will play 1B with helms playing 3B

[DarkHippie]

Between the Marlins and Rays, this could be the year that baseball finally gets over in florida and people get their asses in the parks

[underdog]

Between the Marlins and Rays, this could be the year that baseball finally gets over in florida and people get their asses in the parks

Only in October.

Then next year, no one will be in the seats again.

[K.C.]

And he's white, so Boston will love him.

Well, that goes without saying.

He's 7 years younger with basically the same numbers. He's been one of the best OFs in the league for the last 2 - 3 years, but he's playing in Pittsburg so no one really noticed.

All true, and I'm very familiar with Jason Bay. A couple things, though.

-It has to be quite a culture shock going from Pittsburgh to the midst of a pennant race in Boston and expected to replace Manny Ramirez.
-Manny is a proven playoff commodity. Bay is not as of yet.

That said, I can't exactly fault the Red Sox for making the move. But, I'm not sure it'll work out THIS year, the way they expect.


they asked jacobs after the game, but he hadn't heard anything. i heard this rumor too. looks like it is going to be a 3 team race my fine feathered friend

oh and cantu will play 1B with helms playing 3B

Ugh...I still have nightmares about Wes Helms when he played for the Phillies.

This NL East is going to be tight. I was concerned about the Marlins before. Now I'm kind of dreading them if they pull of Manny and Molina.

I think the Phillies can match their bats, but if they get back Josh Johnson and Anibal Sanchez (and Johnson looked pretty damn good tonight), they would have a pretty awesome rotation to boot.

As for the Mets, they need to be worried, too. They have to find a corner outfielder, and better pray Pedro and Maine are fine.

[DarkHippie]

Well, that goes without saying.


Ugh...I still have nightmares about Wes Helms when he played for the Phillies.

This NL East is going to be tight. I was concerned about the Marlins before. Now I'm kind of dreading them if they pull of Manny and Molina.

I think the Phillies can match their bats, but if they get back Josh Johnson and Anibal Sanchez (and Johnson looked pretty damn good tonight), they would have a pretty awesome rotation to boot.

As for the Mets, they need to be worried, too. They have to find a corner outfielder, and better pray Pedro and Maine are fine.

Even if the Mets somehow make the playoffs, they dont have the depth in the bullpen to make up for their starters, who cant seem to pitch more than 5 innings

[underdog]

-It has to be quite a culture shock going from Pittsburgh to the midst of a pennant race in Boston and expected to replace Manny Ramirez.
-Manny is a proven playoff commodity. Bay is not as of yet.

That said, I can't exactly fault the Red Sox for making the move. But, I'm not sure it'll work out THIS year, the way they expect.

I do not disagree with anything you said.

If I'm running the Red Sox, there's no way I trade Manny this year. And I'd probably pick up the next two options, as well. And then move him in the middle of 2010. I'm sure the Yankees will be in the market for an over the hill, over paid player in 2 years.

[Friday]

absotutely nothing is confirmed yet.

a friend of mine is on emails and phone with his contacts in the Marlins Exec offices and they have nothing in stone yet.

keep speculating.... copy paste, copy paste.... blind cc blind cc! wheeeeeeeeeeeeee

[K.C.]

absotutely nothing is confirmed yet.

a friend of mine is on emails and phone with his contacts in the Marlins Exec offices and they have nothing in stone yet.

keep speculating.... copy paste, copy paste.... blind cc blind cc! wheeeeeeeeeeeeee


That's because Manny needs to officially waive his no-trade clause. They can't go any further without him doing that. He most likely will.

He waives his no-trade, deal is done. They just have to work out the prospects at that point.

[K.C.]

They're talking about this on Baseball Tonight.

I don't know what the bigger jinx is; Buster Olney saying he thinks the deal will be done, or Steve Phillips saying the Red Sox are better off keeping him.


For what it's worth, Phillips made sense for the first time ever, by saying everyone in the AL East would throw a collective party if the Red Sox traded him.



UPDATE: Jon Heyman of SI, who had this story originally, is now saying that regardless of the Pirates end, Manny will almost certainly be a Marlin tomorrow.

It's just a question of whether they get Jason Bay from the Pirates, or Jeremy Hermida or Josh Willingham from the Marlins.

It's expected to go all the way to the 4PM deadline, but be finalized.

[NickyL0885]

Even if the Mets somehow make the playoffs, they dont have the depth in the bullpen to make up for their starters, who cant seem to pitch more than 5 innings

i beg to differer. Pelfrey before tonight had string of starts going past 5. as has Ollie since Dan Warthen came and Santana is Santana. Maine just has a high pitch count in the first but he can go deep.

[HBox]

That's because Manny needs to officially waive his no-trade clause. They can't go any further without him doing that. He most likely will.

He waives his no-trade, deal is done. They just have to work out the prospects at that point.

Knowing Manny the Sox will finalize this deal and he won't waive his no-trade.

HAHAHAHAHA MANNY BEING MANNY HAHAHAHAHA LOLLERSKATES!

[Epschtein]

unfortunately, manny isnt going anywhere.

i would welcome it just because he has asked for it so many times, here - you want to leave boston so bad? well go on then...

but it isnt in the sox best interest right now and wont happen.

too bad, would add some excitement. gotta love big deals at the trading deadline, spices things up a bit. :)

[Epschtein]

one more thing, if manny does somehow get traded i guarantee you jed lowrie isnt part of the deal.

[Kevin]

Knowing Manny the Sox will finalize this deal and he won't waive his no-trade.

HAHAHAHAHA MANNY BEING MANNY HAHAHAHAHA LOLLERSKATES!


I think Lollerskates beats out the lollercoaster.

[A.J.]

I really wish they'd stop trading highly rated SS.

I miss Hanley Ramirez. :glurps:

Yeah, I was going to say can we throw in Lugo with Manny and get back Hanley?

Right now Cora and Lowrie are the SS duo. I don't want to give up Jed.

[OGC]

Yeah, I was going to say can we throw in Lugo with Manny and get back Hanley?

Right now Cora and Lowrie are the SS duo. I don't want to give up Jed.

Weeeeeeellll Doggie

http://retrocrush.buzznet.com/tvthemes/jed.jpg

I'd hate to see another SS prospect leave town.

[K.C.]

Indications are that the Red Sox may now be getting cold feet, per the Boston Herald:

Indications remain that some key members of the Sox’ upper management remain unconvinced that the team should deal Ramirez, who has made it clear he would like to be dealt.


Why don't they just stop the farce. They LOOOOOOOOOOVE Manny being Manny. They always have.

Seriously, they'd look like the biggest bunch of pussies ever if after all this, and having the deal on the table, they pull the plug because they can't comprehend losing those loveable Manny being Manny antics.

[underdog]

Seriously, they'd look like the biggest bunch of pussies ever if after all this, and having the deal on the table, they pull the plug because they can't comprehend losing those loveable Manny being Manny antics.

I don't think it has anything to do with loving his antics and more with the Red Sox realizing how fucking foolish it would be to trade away Manny.

[DOHO@HOME]

I hope he leaves town,I fuckin can't stand watching him now and the team is having to work around all this bullshit.
Good day Manny drag your dreads and get the fuck out of here,you fuckin one minded self centered cock sucker.FUCK OFF:bye:

[underdog]

I hope he leaves town,I fuckin can't stand watching him now and the team is having to work around all this bullshit.
Good day Manny drag your dreads and get the fuck out of here,you fuckin one minded self centered cock sucker.FUCK OFF:bye:

I hate fans.

[Knowledged_one]

I hope he leaves town,I fuckin can't stand watching him now and the team is having to work around all this bullshit.
Good day Manny drag your dreads and get the fuck out of here,you fuckin one minded self centered cock sucker.FUCK OFF:bye:

And you felt this same way when they were winning World Series titles and he was doing the same right?

[K.C.]

Marlins make the first of perhaps three moves today:


Marlins get:
LHP Arthur Rhodes

Mariners get:
RHP Gaby Hernandez (Double-A)

[foodcourtdruide]

Marlins make the first of perhaps three moves today:


Marlins get:
LHP Arthur Rhodes

Mariners get:
RHP Gaby Hernandez (Double-A)

Surprised the Mets didn't get Rhodes, seemed like he was exactly what Minaya wanted.

[Knowledged_one]

Surprised the Mets didn't get Rhodes, seemed like he was exactly what Minaya wanted.

why is he hispanic?

[foodcourtdruide]

why is he hispanic?

No. Lefty reliever.

[DOHO@HOME]

And you felt this same way when they were winning World Series titles and he was doing the same right?
Yeh I never liked him always thought he was a dickhead.
He has never been a team player.

[HBox]

No. Lefty reliever.

That's irrelevant.

[DOHO@HOME]

I hate fans.

I hear ya I hate being a fan but I can't stop myself.

[K.C.]

From Jon Heyman at SI:

10:58 a.m.

Competing GMs say the Mets' Omar Minaya is "itching'' to do a deal. And it's no wonder with the Yankees stealing the show across town and the competing Marlins close to possibly adding superstar Manny Ramirez. However, a lot of Mets people want to hold onto their top prospects, including outfielder Fernando Martinez, and pitchers Jon Niese, Eddie Kunz and Robert Parnell. Seattle requested "two premium prospects'' for outfielder Raul Ibanez, and Mets people don't like that idea. Minaya is spending more time on the relief situation, which is looking iffy lately, especially with Duaner Sanchez's radar gun readings down.

Please, please, please let Omar trade the farm someone like Paul Byrd or Chad Bradford.

[foodcourtdruide]

From Jon Heyman at SI:



Please, please, please let Omar trade the farm someone like Paul Byrd or Chad Bradford.

In my opinion, Ibanez is not worth two premium prospects. Who do you think they're asking? Neise and Murphy? I wouldn't make that trade.

[K.C.]

In my opinion, Ibanez is not worth two premium prospects. Who do you think they're asking? Neise and Murphy? I wouldn't make that trade.

I'm not an authority on the Mets, but to the best of my knowledge, they, at best, have four guys that would be considered 'premium prospects.'

Martinez, Niese, Murphy, and Kunz. (And really, Martinez is the only one you could say is a legit blue chipper)

So my guess is they're asking for two of those four.

It'd be pretty desperate for them to do that.


I can't imagine the price of Ibanez would not come down right before 4 PM today. The Mariners have no benefit in keeping him. My guess is the Mets could probably get him for one of those four if they wait a few more hours.

From an objective standpoint, I'd do it for one of the four, but not two (and I wouldn't trade Martinez, but I'd trade one of Niese, Murphy, and Kunz).

[underdog]

I think the most important question is who is ahead in the David Eckstein sweepstakes?

As a Red Sox fan, I think a Manny for Eckstein trade would be perfect. Eckstein never takes plays off! He's a great team player, too.

[Freakshow]

But he's so short. I don't think he's going to make it at this level.

[Kevin]

I think the most important question is who is ahead in the David Eckstein sweepstakes?

As a Red Sox fan, I think a Manny for Eckstein trade would be perfect. Eckstein never takes plays off! He's a great team player, too.

I tell you one thing, he won't take 5.17 and 5.07 seconds to run to 1b!

[Kevin]

A source close to the three-way negotiations involving Manny Ramirez says the deal is close to dead. Florida has reportedly asked Boston for a cash outlay beyond the $7 million to cover Ramirez's contract, in addition to two prospects. That essentially would add up to the Red Sox trading Ramirez, $9 million and two prospects for Jason Bay!

OF COURSE Manny won't get traded. how many years have we heard this?

[K.C.]

Manny has waived his no-trade, but now the Marlins are playing hardball, trying to extort an extra $2 million from the Sox.

There's various reports now contradicting the Pirates involvement. Some saying this thing is almost done as a three way, others saying the Pirates are ready to drop out completely.


Will Carroll from BP has the Dodgers emerging as the failsafe if this whole thing blows up. They reportedly would give up Matt Kemp.

[K.C.]

OF COURSE Manny won't get traded. how many years have we heard this?

This year, the tone is a little different.

Not saying this will ultimately get done, but it won't be for lack of trying, whereas, in previous years, I don't even believe the Red Sox were legitimately shopping him.

[Knowledged_one]

OF COURSE Manny won't get traded. how many years have we heard this?

at least as many since the Yankees last won a championship

(not that the orioles set the world on fire)

[Kevin]

This year, the tone is a little different.

Not saying this will ultimately get done, but it won't be for lack of trying, whereas, in previous years, I don't even believe the Red Sox were legitimately shopping him.

As opposed to what? We have heard Manny spout off before on how he wants to get traded, we have heard that the deal is very close, and nothing.

Bottom line is that Manny is too good. No one the Sox can ever get that would be better than Manny. i'd be shocked if it happends. When GMs throw parties because you traded the guy, that is not a good thing.. Losing him would be 1 and a haf losing. The 1 losing him and the half, is losing about half of Ortiz. I do no not care who is batting after him. Teams will NOT pitch to him.

[Freakshow]

But I think they are done with him. If he's not traded they might Keyshawn him.


Remember for several years they put him on waivers, so they were willing to lose him for nothing, if any other team would have picked him up.

[K.C.]

As opposed to what? We have heard Manny spout off before on how he wants to get traded, we have heard that the deal is very close, and nothing.

Manny's always 'been Manny,' but it's different on the Red Sox's end this time around.

Before, if you really tracked the rumors behind him in previous years, the general impression I was left with is they had the attitude that if someone wanted to pay them a King's Ransom for Manny, they could have him.


The fact that there's so much smoke behind this particular deal, and that Manny has actually officially waived his no trade clause, and that three or four times already, major media outlets have danced right up to the line of saying 'it's done' tells me that the Red Sox have changed their tune on him.


They seem to be of the attitude that if they can get enough of a return that they can sell to their fans as them being still competitive in the race, they'll do it.

The Red Sox have never been to that point before.



It's also kind of funny that Peter Gammons (#1 Red Sox stooge) is absolutely KILLING Manny on the Baseball Tonight Trade Deadline show.

He just unloaded.

[Epschtein]

kevin, this year is most definitely different, the tone and strength of manny's comments, the reactions from francona and the front office, and of course it being his final non-option year.

maybe because you arent in boston you arent exposed to it as much? (idk) but this time it definitely feels and sounds different. but i still say he is going nowhere.

[K.C.]

Where's Toronto's favorite son: spoon

Rumor has it that the Blue Jays are making a late push to bring Jason Bay home to Canada.

[Epschtein]

deal is OVA!

everyone is pointing fingers at each other, sounds like it is beyond repair and everyone has moved on.

[K.C.]

Steve Phillips on ESPN telling us how great the Mets are right now....

"blah blah blah blah blah...I ran that franchise in the ground...blah blah blah...I can't believe they came back from how awful I was...blah blah blah....Mets will win the next five world series"

[TheGameHHH]

deal is OVA!

everyone is pointing fingers at each other, sounds like it is beyond repair and everyone has moved on.

this whole show is hilarious to me. ive seen this guy demand out of boston almost every single year for like 6 years running, yet he's never moved.

[PD]

deal is OVA!

everyone is pointing fingers at each other, sounds like it is beyond repair and everyone has moved on.

Ken Rosenthal saying the same thing- for now.
As of 1:30 p.m. ET, the Manny Ramirez trade was "dead," according to an executive with one of the three teams involved in the discussions.

However, the deal has taken numerous twists and turns over the past 24 hours, and the Red Sox can continue attempting to trade Ramirez until the non-waiver deadline at 4 p.m. ET.

I always say the same thing about Manny moving rumors- wait till deal is official

[Epschtein]

i cant wait for manny to put together a hot streak while the sox fall out of contention and then watch him shut it down in the last week of august lol. this place will go BANANAS!

i cant believe the sox have the fuckin' night off. :(

[ChrisTheCop]

this whole show is hilarious to me. ive seen this guy demand out of boston almost every single year for like 6 years running, yet he's never moved.

I was laughing all night when people kept telling me this team wanted him and that team wanted him. SHOCKING! Teams want a player with his record?!

Although this has indeed been the most heated trade discussion involving Manny in awhile,
it just reminds me of when the hot chick has a fight with her boyfriend,
all the neighbor boys start thinking they have a chance with her,
but she ends up going back to him, cause deep down, there is love.

So...The Winner of the Manny Sweepstakes is....once again: MANNY.

[DOHO@HOME]

Wonder how manny will be if he stays in Boston for the remainder of the season?
It seems like he has really pushed the trade this year hope he can find a team that will deserve a player like him.

[K.C.]

Looks like everything is kind of dying out.

I'd be surprised if there's another big move made.

The only person still on a mission to make a move, from all the deadline blogs, is apparently Omar Minaya, yet he's pulling out what little hair he has left, because no matter what player he pursues, people are asking him for Fernando Martinez.


Bay to Toronto is a lukewarm prospect at best.

Washburn to the Yanks could flare up very quickly at the end, but is dead unless the Mariners come back to them

Maddux doesn't look likely to move. Neither does Paul Byrd, Huston Street, Brian Fuentes, and so forth.


Barring a last second push by the Dodgers for Manny, the deadline deals look done.

[K.C.]

Rays look like they may acquire Jason Bay for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann.

MLBTradeRumors is reporting it as done, but that guy is a douchebag, and didn't actually read the article he linked.

The MLB.com story says they "are going to."

Nothing has been finalized yet.

The same MLB.com guy said the same thing about Manny and the Marlins, as if it was a done deal.

[spadanko]

Bay heading to Tampa

A source told MLB.com that the Rays will get Jason Bay from the Pirates for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann.

It's a very good trade for the Rays if true. Brignac is one of the game's top infield prospects, but the Rays were able avoid surrendering a second top-notch talent for a player they'd have under control at a very modest price through the end of 2009. If the Pirates trade Bay without getting an outfielder, they could call up Nyjer Morgan to help out. Andrew McCutchen is another possibility, but there's little reason to think he's ready.

[OGC]

Everything I read says that the Manny to Florida deal includes the Red Sox paying the rest of his salary for this year AND throwing in 2 prospects. If the Sox are willing to pay the money, I think they should keep him, sit him on the bench, let him go to free agency at the end of the year and get the 2 draft picks for losing a type a Free Agent. Sure they don't get Jason Bay, but they would keep their prospects.

[K.C.]

Everything I read says that the Manny to Florida deal includes the Red Sox paying the rest of his salary for this year AND throwing in 2 prospects. If the Sox are willing to pay the money, I think they should keep him, sit him on the bench, let him go to free agency at the end of the year and get the 2 draft picks for losing a type a Free Agent. Sure they don't get Jason Bay, but they would keep their prospects.

Manny to the Marlins is supposedly dead.

If Manny gets traded, it's now the Dodgers, or nothing.

Gammons just reported Manny called the Red Sox clubhouse like 20 minutes ago and asked them if they knew where he was being traded to.

[TheMojoPin]

Crazy rumors of Red Sox offering Manny and paying the rets of his salary to the White Sox for Griffey.

In the meantime:

With the three-way deal between the Pirates, Red Sox, and Marlins falling through, an MLB.com source says that the Rays are going to acquire right-handed hitting outfielder Jason Bay for Minor League prospects including shortstop Reid Brignac and right-hander Jeff Niemann. The Rays have not confirmed the deal.

[Knowledged_one]

MLB.com's Bill Chastain with the scoop - the Rays have acquired Jason Bay for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann. The Rays haven't confirmed it yet though, and Rosenthal says the Bucs want to replace Niemann with other prospects. I wonder if Bay would DH for the Rays.

[ChrisTheCop]

Manny called the Red Sox clubhouse like 20 minutes ago and asked them if they knew where he was being traded to.

now that's funny! :clap::clap::lol::lol:

[OGC]

Crazy rumors of Red Sox offering Manny and paying the rets of his salary to the White Sox for Griffey.

In the meantime:

got a link to that speculation ?

[K.C.]

MLB.com's Bill Chastain with the scoop - the Rays have acquired Jason Bay for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann. The Rays haven't confirmed it yet though, and Rosenthal says the Bucs want to replace Niemann with other prospects. I wonder if Bay would DH for the Rays.

This bothers me so much, as a writer.

This is NOT confirmed!!!

For christsakes, this started on Bill Chastain's MLB.com Blog, and was picked up by Tim Dierkes at MLBTradeRumors.

Apparently, Tim is now the go to guy for all MLB news, because he LINKS a bunch of stories. :unsure:


I would guess this trade will get done, but it's just HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE journalism that places like WFAN and others are picking this up without a confirmed source from inside one of the clubs, because they read the guy's blog.

[underdog]

Crazy rumors of Red Sox offering Manny and paying the rets of his salary to the White Sox for Griffey.

That could be the worst trade I've ever heard of.

[Knowledged_one]

This bothers me so much, as a writer.

This is NOT confirmed!!!

For christsakes, this started on Bill Chastain's MLB.com Blog, and was picked up by Tim Dierkes at MLBTradeRumors.

Apparently, Tim is now the go to guy for all MLB news, because he LINKS a bunch of stories. :unsure:


I would guess this trade will get done, but it's just HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE journalism that places like WFAN and others are picking this up without a confirmed source from inside one of the clubs, because they read the guy's blog.

Well so what are you saying hes less credible then the great Peter Abraham as a blogger, his site gets 1 million hits a day after all

[midwestjeff]

got a link to that speculation ?

BigDeal.com (http://spreadtheiris.com)

[K.C.]

Well so what are you saying hes less credible then the great Peter Abraham as a blogger, his site gets 1 million hits a day after all

MLBTradeRumors is a fine site, in that you can get access to most important newspaper stories with a couple clicks.

But when supposedly 'legitimate' news outlets are picking up the story, because he says 'Jason Bay Traded to the Rays' and links to a MLB.com Blog story that essentially said that Rays were closing in on Bay, and has no legitimate Rays or Pirates source to it....that's a problem.

I'd have absolutely NO problem if he said "Hey, it sounds like Jason Bay could move to the Rays."

But when you definitively state 'Jason Bay traded to the Rays,' that'll spread like rapid fire, even though it's not confirmed.

And that's how shit gets blown out of proportion.

WFAN is reporting this story as fact right now, quoting the exact same source. I guarantee they read it on MLBTradeRumors, and never even read the linked story.

Horrible journalism.




Even the host on ESPNNEWS keeps teasing 'maybe Jason Bay's been dealt' despite the fact that Jayson Stark told him flat out, 20 minutes ago, that the Rays and Pirates are overtly denying everything and no source has corroborated this.

They're all in such a hurry to break the story, they don't follow the ACTUAL story.

[OGC]

BigDeal.com (http://spreadtheiris.com)


Didn't catch me :thumbup:

[K.C.]

HAHAHAHA...the MLBTradeRumors guy knows he got caught.

Usually when he updates a story, he bumps it back to the top.

He just snuck in a question mark on the title of his Jason Bay post, and added an update that it 'wasn't confirmed' without bumping it so no one would see it.

That's such a fraudulent move. Just admit your mistake in jumping the gun.

[ChrisTheCop]

HAHAHAHA...the MLBTradeRumors guy knows he got caught.

Usually when he updates a story, he bumps it back to the top.

He just snuck in a question mark on the title of his Jason Bay post, and added an update that it 'wasn't confirmed' without bumping it so no one would see it.

That's such a fraudulent move. Just admit your mistake in jumping the gun.

Florida.




This has caught fire EVERYWHERE. Too much smoke for this one to not be true.



Too bad ronfez.net doesnt allow the placing of question marks after an allotted time.:tongue:

[TheGameHHH]

HAHAHAHA...the MLBTradeRumors guy knows he got caught.

Usually when he updates a story, he bumps it back to the top.

He just snuck in a question mark on the title of his Jason Bay post, and added an update that it 'wasn't confirmed' without bumping it so no one would see it.

That's such a fraudulent move. Just admit your mistake in jumping the gun.

i think with everything that's happened in baseball in the past 3-4 days, you're bound to screw up. i like trade rumors because the site doesn't really front. it's called trade RUMORS for a reason. the guy mainly speculates and links to articles that fuel the speculation. how many people in this thread last night were calling the Manny deal "done"? granted we aren't professional journalists but with the swarm of rumors over the past few days im willing to give TradeRumors a pass.

[TheGameHHH]

Too bad ronfez.net doesnt allow the placing of question marks after an allotted time.:tongue:

hahahaha, my point exactly.

[Epschtein]

5... 4... 3... 2... 1...

*starts the chant*

manny...

MANNY...

MANNY...

MANNY!!

MANNY!!!!

MANNY!!!!!!!!

http://mysite.verizon.net/epschtein/manny.jpg

YES! MANNY'S BACK!! WOOHOOO MANNY'S BACK!! HOORAY!!

MANNY'S BACK!

MANNY'S BACK!!

MANNY'S BACK!!!

MANNY'S BACK!!!!

[K.C.]

Too bad ronfez.net doesnt allow the placing of question marks after an allotted time.:tongue:

I'm a douchebag speculating on a messageboard.

That guy signed a deal with CBS Sportsline to syndicate his blog.

If CBS Sportsline wants to pay me, I"ll use more discretion.

[Epschtein]

yeah yeah yeah i know it could still go through :P

[K.C.]

i think with everything that's happened in baseball in the past 3-4 days, you're bound to screw up. i like trade rumors because the site doesn't really front. it's called trade RUMORS for a reason. the guy mainly speculates and links to articles that fuel the speculation. how many people in this thread last night were calling the Manny deal "done"? granted we aren't professional journalists but with the swarm of rumors over the past few days im willing to give TradeRumors a pass.


I like the site, too.

And my gripe with him is small, compared with my gripe with all the 'legitimate' media members who jump on everything posted there as fact, without checking anything.

My problem with him is just on that one Jason Bay story. I'm fine with giving a pass on it, although he should own up to the fact that he posted it as a done deal, and then tried to quickly edit it later. That's a bush league move.


What I'm not willing to give a pass on is how WFAN, ESPN, MLB.com, and so forth jumped all over this as being a 'done deal' and it's not, and may not even have happened.

Those places are suppose to have journalistic standards.

[PD]

yes.
any blog with rumors in their name should be taken for what it is- not reported by lazy radio/tv/newspaper reporters.

as for Minaya, I don't think he's as hot to make a trade as the papers suggest.
He WANTS guys, but doesn't want to regret who he gave up- so I doubt Mets will do anything of substance.

[Freakshow]

I still say Manny gets Keyshawned.

[TheGameHHH]

I like the site, too.

And my gripe with him is small, compared with my gripe with all the 'legitimate' media members who jump on everything posted there as fact, without checking anything.

My problem with him is just on that one Jason Bay story. I'm fine with giving a pass on it, although he should own up to the fact that he posted it as a done deal, and then tried to quickly edit it later. That's a bush league move.


What I'm not willing to give a pass on is how WFAN, ESPN, MLB.com, and so forth jumped all over this as being a 'done deal' and it's not, and may not even have happened.

Those places are suppose to have journalistic standards.

do you ever follow his live chats on tuesdays? theyre actually pretty fun

[K.C.]

do you ever follow his live chats on tuesdays? theyre actually pretty fun

I've seen a few of them. I like that the questions are submitted first person from players and GMs. It's a pretty good gimmick.

Like I said, he generally does a good job, and he doesn't really misrepresent what he is...he's just a guy that likes baseball and reads a bunch of news stories, and gives his opinion.

[Epschtein]

did you guys hear the news?

[OGC]

did you guys hear the news?


Yes I did. It is amazing isn't it ?

[TheGameHHH]

did you guys hear the news?

christ has risen?

[Jujubees2]

did you guys hear the news?

Yeah, I can't believe it!

[Freakshow]

The english army had just won the war?

[spadanko]

manny To La Dodgers Per Jon Heyman On Wfan

[Epschtein]

yep, manny to the dodgers! holy fuck!

[spadanko]

nICE CALL kc BTW

[Freakshow]

I don't believe you.



But yeah, sounds right. 0% chance Manny plays for the Sawks ever again.

[Epschtein]

jason bay to boston thru the dodgers involvement instead of thru florida.

[Freakshow]

The big deal of the day is this one, though


The Washington Nationals today acquired shortstop Alberto Gonzalez from the New York Yankees in exchange for minor-league right-handed pitcher Jhonny Nunez


So the attorney general plays a mean shortstop? Who knew...

[Kevin]

Manny's always 'been Manny,' but it's different on the Red Sox's end this time around.

Before, if you really tracked the rumors behind him in previous years, the general impression I was left with is they had the attitude that if someone wanted to pay them a King's Ransom for Manny, they could have him.


The fact that there's so much smoke behind this particular deal, and that Manny has actually officially waived his no trade clause, and that three or four times already, major media outlets have danced right up to the line of saying 'it's done' tells me that the Red Sox have changed their tune on him.


They seem to be of the attitude that if they can get enough of a return that they can sell to their fans as them being still competitive in the race, they'll do it.

The Red Sox have never been to that point before.



It's also kind of funny that Peter Gammons (#1 Red Sox stooge) is absolutely KILLING Manny on the Baseball Tonight Trade Deadline show.

He just unloaded.

kevin, this year is most definitely different, the tone and strength of manny's comments, the reactions from francona and the front office, and of course it being his final non-option year.

maybe because you arent in boston you arent exposed to it as much? (idk) but this time it definitely feels and sounds different. but i still say he is going nowhere.

I deserve another Kevin, i'M Sorry, like i got from EPO!!!

I knew it was not getting done, no matter what those talking heads on Espn and everywhere else were saying.

[ChrisTheCop]

did you guys hear the news?

Manny Ramirez has a roast beef sandwich for lunch instead of his usual rice and beans!!!! More in a minute...

[spadanko]

Bay going to Red Sox

4 prospects (not yet named) going to Pitt

[jonyrotn]

Manny's a Dodger..Good for Snoogans..Manny will have to be Manny 3 hours later now..

[Kevin]

I deserve another Kevin, i'M Sorry, like i got from EPO!!!

I knew it was not getting done, no matter what those talking heads on Espn and everywhere else were saying.

Wow, i feel stupid for not reading..

K.C, Epschtein .. I'm Sorry.

[Knowledged_one]

I deserve another Kevin, i'M Sorry, like i got from EPO!!!

I knew it was not getting done, no matter what those talking heads on Espn and everywhere else were saying.

You know you are the wind beneath my wings

[spadanko]

Prospects announced

Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Damien Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.

[Freakshow]

Manny Ramirez has a roast beef sandwich for lunch instead of his usual rice and beans!!!! More in a minute...

Well, you don't want the beans to give you gas when you meet your new team. You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

[Epschtein]

I deserve another Kevin, i'M Sorry, like i got from EPO!!!

I knew it was not getting done, no matter what those talking heads on Espn and everywhere else were saying.

oh it be done. :)

well, maybe manny hasnt signed off yet but i would imagine he will.

unless i dont understand your comment.

sox ship out hansen moss and manny and just get back bay. latest word.

[Kevin]

Prospects announced

Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Damien Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.

Wow, Pirates made out pretty damn good. Isn't his bro Adam on Pitt?

[Kevin]

oh it be done. :)

well, maybe manny hasnt signed off yet but i would imagine he will.

unless i dont understand your comment.

sox ship out hansen moss and manny and just get back bay. latest word.

Yea , read my other comment on the previous page..

I stand corrected!

[Epschtein]

spad, its brandon moss.

and unless there is something else to be announced then the dodgers made out like crazy! everyone should be happy but the sox gave up a little too much and i think the dodgers are thrilled with their deal. if it is as announced now.

[ChrisTheCop]

espn reporting manny showed up at fenway for bp...only to find there's no game today!
said manny, "i thought maybe they traded the whole team instead of me"

more at 11.

[Kevin]

spad, its brandon moss.

and unless there is something else to be announced then dodgers made out like crazy! everyone should be happy but sox gave up a little too much and i think the dodgers are thrilled with their deal. if it is as announced now.

I know Jason Bay is a good player, but he is not Manny.

I am THRILLED to see Manny out of Boston.

[Freakshow]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3108/2720003455_9a65f95b18.jpg


Woohooo. Go ESPN!

[TheMojoPin]

I know Jason Bay is a good player, but he is not Manny.

He's not, but few are. It's not like they're getting a punk back in return. Bay is one of the better and most consistent hitters in the game, plus he's a good fielder, plus he's so much cheaper and younger.

[Jujubees2]

I know Jason Bay is a good player, but he is not Manny.

I am THRILLED to see Manny out of Boston.

At this point, I think that's what Red Sox fans are hoping. You know, someone who shows up, does their job and doesn't bitch and moan about getting any respect.

[Epschtein]

Wow, i feel stupid for not reading..

K.C, Epschtein .. I'm Sorry.

hehe :) all good, crazy day!

the sox really made a statement how much they felt it really needed to be over with manny by giving up what they did to ship him out. imo.

[spadanko]

spad, its brandon moss.

and unless there is something else to be announced then the dodgers made out like crazy! everyone should be happy but the sox gave up a little too much and i think the dodgers are thrilled with their deal. if it is as announced now.


ah thinking of Damian moss from back in the day

ESPN is fucking garbage

[Freakshow]

At this point, I think that's what Red Sox fans are hoping. You know, someone who shows up, does their job and doesn't bitch and moan about getting any respect.

But Manny does both. He shows up, and he biches and moans.

He's played at least 130 games every year but one, hit 100 RBI every year but one, batted close to .300 his entire time in Boston..

[ChrisTheCop]

wait.. i just read on espn.com this really all may be happening....

lemme get a drink.

[ChrisTheCop]

Updated: July 31, 2008, 4:45 PM ET

Manny Ramirez's stormy relationship with the Boston Red Sox appears to be over.

A baseball source has confirmed Ramirez has been traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers, ESPN.com has learned.

Jason Bay is going to Boston as part of the deal, Jayson Stark reported. And the Pittsburgh Pirates get four minor leaguers as part of the three-way deal.

Andy LaRoche, Bryan Morris, Brandon Moss and Craig Hansen will go to Pittsburgh, ESPN.com has learned.



I dont see it anywhere else (except in this thread and espn.com) espn doesnt even believe it enuff to put it on tv...

[Freakshow]

Wait, i'm a late-breaking report.


The winner of the Manny sweepstakes is...

Vaginal odor.


(sorry I couldn't resisit--look at the screen capture I posted--manny pushed farve off the top line. who'd a thunk it?)

[Epschtein]

I know Jason Bay is a good player, but he is not Manny.

I am THRILLED to see Manny out of Boston.

yeah, i bet. i think it was time tho, it was certainly coming at the end of the year anyway.

im ok with it, but they are a worse team right now on paper because of it of course.

but who knows, maybe this will turn things around like 2004, word is manny had finally lost the support of tito and his teammates and that was the final straw.

i will miss watching him play, just like pedro and nomar. but im ok with it.

[hammersavage]

The Sox gave up Manny, Moss and Hansen and just got Bay back. I know he's a great player but that is a lot to give up.

Pittsburgh had a great deadline, they will be an all star team in 5 years. Andy LaRoche, Moss, Hansen, Jose Tabata, that's a great haul...

[ChrisTheCop]

never mind. now it's on espn2.

i'm inconsolable.

[TheMojoPin]

The Sox gave up Manny, Moss and Hansen and just got Bay back. I know he's a great player but that is a lot to give up.

Pittsburgh had a great deadline, they will be an all star team in 5 years. Andy LaRoche, Moss, Hansen, Jose Tabata, that's a great haul...

No kidding. The Brewers have avery young and cheap core...the Reds have a lot of great young players so long as Dusty doesn't fuck them up...the Cubs are a good team and have their key players locked up for at least 3 more years ad a great chance of Cuban buying the team this year...the Cardinals seem to always somehow put together a competing team...the NL Central just might be serious business real soon.

[underdog]

Manny will have plenty of RBI chances now, with Juan Pierre and Andruw Jones hitting in front of him.

[ChrisTheCop]

Bay:

AVG R HR RBI SB
.282 72 22 64 7


Ramirez:

AVG R HR RBI SB
.299 66 20 68 1



Maybe not so bad after all.

[K.C.]

I would say the following

Dodgers:
It's a move they kind of had to make if they were going to contend. Andy LaRoche was jumped by Blake DeWitt in terms of prospect-dom earlier this year, so he was expendable. Bryan Morris is a mid-level prospect at best. GREAT move for the Dodgers.

Pirates:
They give up Jason Bay, but they get back a good 3B prospect in LaRoche, a solid middle relief prospect in Hansen, and a solid corner outfield prospect in Moss. Solid move for the Pirates.

Red Sox:
They give up Manny, Moss, and Hansen and $7 million for Bay. All I can say is Bay better be pretty damn good for them.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm really happy for Bay. He's been criminally ignored for years because of where he played despite being one of the better hitters in the game.

Plus the Cubs don't have to face him anymore. Even better, the Pirates are gonna be even crappier the rest of the year, and guess who the Cubs come home to play tomorrow? Heeeeee-heeee-heeeeee.....

[PD]

I would say the following

Dodgers:
It's a move they kind of had to make if they were going to contend. Andy LaRoche was jumped by Blake DeWitt in terms of prospect-dom earlier this year, so he was expendable. Bryan Morris is a mid-level prospect at best. GREAT move for the Dodgers.

Pirates:
They give up Jason Bay, but they get back a good 3B prospect in LaRoche, a solid middle relief prospect in Hansen, and a solid corner outfield prospect in Moss. Solid move for the Pirates.

Red Sox:
They give up Manny, Moss, and Hansen and $7 million for Bay. All I can say is Bay better be pretty damn good for them.

Add that this is a Manny rental, as they removed the team options, and in returned he agreed to decline arbitration.
according to Peter Abraham
UPDATE, 4:46 p.m.: Here is what it seems to be:

Red Sox get: OF Jason Bay.

Pirates get: RHP Bryan Morris and INF Andy LaRoche from the Dodgers, RHP Craig Hansen and OF Brandon Moss from the Red Sox. Maybe another Dodgers prospect, too.

Dodgers get: Manny Ramirez and $7 million from Boston.

The team options were taken off Manny’s deal. He also will agree to decline arbitration so they can get draft picks when he becomes a FA.

I get it that Boston wanted to get rid of Manny. But the Red Sox traded three players (including Manny Ramirez) and $7 million for Jason Bay. That’s a hell of a lot for Jason Bay.

[K.C.]

2010 Pirates:

C - Ryan Doumit
1B - Steven Pearce
2B - Freddy Sanchez
3B - Andy LaRoche
SS - Brian Bixler
LF - Brandon Moss
CF - Andrew McCutchen
RF - Nate McClouth

Could be a damn good team. Better watch out, Mojo.

[K.C.]

Add that this is a Manny rental, as they removed the team options, and in returned he agreed to decline arbitration.
according to Peter Abraham

So, for Jason Bay:
-Manny Ramirez
-Brandon Moss
-Craig Hansen (2005 1st round pick)
-$7 million
-Two 1st round compensatory draft picks when Manny walks.

Yikes.

Bay is good...I'm not sure he's that good.

[joeyballsack]

Terrible.

We give up Manny and what could have been a replacement for Manny along with a guy from an already weak bull pen for Jason Bay.

This trade didnt make the Sox a better team or even keep the status quo. Nothing was done to address the bullpen which should have been priority #1.

[sailor]

Bay:

AVG R HR RBI SB
.282 72 22 64 7


Ramirez:

AVG R HR RBI SB
.299 66 20 68 1



Maybe not so bad after all.

yes it is. i love jay ray bay and all, but you lose about 100 points of ops, plus everything else the sox thru in the trade.

[Epschtein]

you are all correct - this was a "get the fuck off of my ball club" trade.

im just hoping it can somehow rally the troops and lead to good things.

but yeah, no argument on paper that this made them a better team.

[TheMojoPin]

you are all correct - this was a "get the fuck off of my ball club" trade.

True, but they rarely end with getting a player of Bay's level.

[K.C.]

you are all correct - this was a "get the fuck off of my ball club" trade.

im just hoping it can somehow rally the troops and lead to good things.

but yeah, no argument on paper that this made them a better team.


If there's some silver lining in this for the Sox, you hope that's true.

But also, the Red Sox are going to have fuck you money to throw around next season. Bay is there through 2009, so you replace Manny for $7.5 million next season, as opposed to paying him $20 million.

An extra $13 million on top of what the Red Sox already have to spend next season, is huge. And they don't have to worry about left field anymore, which means they can sink a ton of money into Sabathia or Sheets, or even both.

[TheMojoPin]

If there's some silver lining in this for the Sox, you hope that's true.

But also, the Red Sox are going to have fuck you money to throw around next season. Bay is there through 2009, so you replace Manny for $7.5 million next season, as opposed to paying him $20 million.

An extra $13 million on top of what the Red Sox already have to spend next season, is huge. And they don't have to worry about left field anymore, which means they can sink a ton of money into Sabathia or Sheets, or even both.

Exactly. Considering how ugly this got at the end, the Red Sox made out VERY well.

[K.C.]

Well if I had to name the three winners and losers of the deadline (and before):

Winners:

1) Yankees: They get Nady, Marte, and Pudge for essentially Jose Tabata and Kyle Farnsworth, plus they no longer have to face Manny Ramirez.

2) Angels: Mark Teixiera vaults them to the top of the American League.

3) Cubs: The Harden move a few weeks back was good, but the Gaudin addition to that trade is looking to be equally as valuable. Obviously they have enough to overcome the Brewers' recent additions and hold that division


Losers:

1) Marlins: From everything I can tell, they had a deal on the table all set to go for Manny, and they got greedy, demanding an extra $2 million and to take one of their prospects (Mike Stanton) off the table, and the Red Sox and Pirates both told them to go fuck themselves. Manny would have been enormous for Florida. Now, they're still #3 behind the Phillies and Mets after all the dust has settled.

2) Mariners: Getting Gaby Hernandez for Arthur Rhodes was decent, but why the hell would the possibly cling to the likes of Raul Ibanez and Jarrod Washburn, when they are going nowhere fast. The Mariners should have sold like crazy. Instead, they've just delayed their rebuilding process another year or two by not dumping players.

3) Tigers: Come on....Pudge for KYLE FARNSWORTH???? They're not exactly out of it yet.

[ChrisTheCop]

yes it is. i love jay ray bay and all, but you lose about 100 points of ops, plus everything else the sox thru in the trade.

I'm trying to make myself feel better ovah here!!!!!

The psychoanalysts are saying that the whole manny thing has been weighing the club down of late, and it reflected in their performance on the field. Now that the albatross has flown west, perhaps they can move on. Manny was indeed Manny... but also afterall, just one man.

(I'm still hurting...grasping at straws of comfort).

[Friday]

espn reporting manny showed up at fenway for bp...only to find there's no game today!
said manny, "i thought maybe they traded the whole team instead of me"

more at 11.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[ChrisTheCop]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks. That was during my denial stage of this news. Good times.

[OGC]

With Drew, Ellsbury, Crisp, and Bay in the outfield, Brandon Moss was going nowhere fast in Boston. Hansen has the stuff to be a good reliever but I think it was time for a change of scenery for him.

Getting rid of Manny is the big thing in this deal. Watching this team play the last 10 days or sure made it look like they were distracted by Manny being Manny.

Sure they probably could have gotten more if the situation was better and every team in the majors didn't know that they were fairly desperate to rid themselves of him.

The 2 draft picks would have been nice, especially the way the Sox have drafted lately but getting rid of Manny is the main thing.

:clap::clap:

[NickyL0885]

Hey, at least Manny aint in Florida. and the Dodgers still suck.

[cougarjake13]

Hey, at least Manny aint in Florida. and the Dodgers still suck.

sums up my feelings

[midwestjeff]

How will Manny and Torre get along?

Is there any tension there?

I don't follow the Sox/Yankees rivalry so I don't know how deep the hatred really goes
as far as players and managers are concerned.

[cougarjake13]

How will Manny and Torre get along?

Is there any tension there?

I don't follow the Sox/Yankees rivalry so I don't know how deep the hatred really goes
as far as players and managers are concerned.

they're gonna make a new reality tv show about them

its called an L.A. love story

[ChrisTheCop]

How will Manny and Torre get along?

Is there any tension there?

I don't follow the Sox/Yankees rivalry so I don't know how deep the hatred really goes
as far as players and managers are concerned.

I predict a haircut and a visit to the tailor.

[Friday]

I predict a haircut and a visit to the tailor.

god i hope so. he is a walking fashion no-no!

[BeerBandit]

Half of the point of getting rid of Manny is to get something back for him. The Sawx got absolutely nothing for him. Hansen and Moss get you Bay. Maybe you have to throw in another low level prospect, but not Manny. This was the absolute worst trade I've seen since Kazmir/Zambrano. Bay's good, but he's not Manny, at all. They just gave up the division, which if they had kept Manny might've happened anyway as he dogged it the rest of the year. Now they're out Hansen and Moss as well. It just doesn't add up, no matter how desperate the Sawx were to get rid of him.

Maybe I'm just pissed because Nick Evans (Andy Laroche) and any schlub pitching prospect could've solved the Mets outfield woes.

[K.C.]

Maybe I'm just pissed because Nick Evans (Andy Laroche) and any schlub pitching prospect could've solved the Mets outfield woes.


Uh....WHAT????

Nick Evans is not anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Andy LaRoche. LaRoche was the 31st overall best prospect in baseball entering this season, and the second best 3B prospect behind Evan Longoria in the Minors. And the pitcher the Dodgers gave up was a former 1st round pick.

Nick Evans didn't crack the Top 100.

The Mets could have gotten him for Fernando Martinez and Jon Niese, maybe. But hey, that's your GM.

[Freakshow]

Half of the point of getting rid of Manny is to get something back for him. The Sawx got absolutely nothing for him. Hansen and Moss get you Bay. Maybe you have to throw in another low level prospect, but not Manny. This was the absolute worst trade I've seen since Kazmir/Zambrano. Bay's good, but he's not Manny, at all. They just gave up the division, which if they had kept Manny might've happened anyway as he dogged it the rest of the year. Now they're out Hansen and Moss as well. It just doesn't add up, no matter how desperate the Sawx were to get rid of him.

Maybe I'm just pissed because Nick Evans (Andy Laroche) and any schlub pitching prospect could've solved the Mets outfield woes.

i hear bobby bonilla is available

[PD]

I agree that LaRoche is bigger prospect than Evans, plus I think Manny is the last thing the Mets needed (unless he came for nothing).

[FezsAssistant]

If there's some silver lining in this for the Sox, you hope that's true.

But also, the Red Sox are going to have fuck you money to throw around next season. Bay is there through 2009, so you replace Manny for $7.5 million next season, as opposed to paying him $20 million.

An extra $13 million on top of what the Red Sox already have to spend next season, is huge. And they don't have to worry about left field anymore, which means they can sink a ton of money into Sabathia or Sheets, or even both.

But I thought the Sox were the scrappy underdogs that don't spend and use only homegrown talent? That's how they're promoted by all media outlets and their fans.

[FezsAssistant]

How will Manny and Torre get along?

Is there any tension there?

I don't follow the Sox/Yankees rivalry so I don't know how deep the hatred really goes
as far as players and managers are concerned.

There shouldn't be a problem. Torre will be asleep most of the time anyway. He didn't even know who he had in his bullpen last year.

[OnANorton]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3513383

Ramirez traded to Dodgers in three-way deal

ESPN.com news services

Updated: July 31, 2008, 11:23 PM ET



Slugger Manny Ramirez's stormy relationship with the Boston Red Sox is over.

Ramirez has been traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers. The Red Sox will pay the remaining $7 million of Ramirez's contract owed for this season, ESPN.com's Peter Gammons reported.

"When a player like Manny becomes available, I don't think there's a manager in baseball who wouldn't say they're interested," said Dodgers manager Joe Torre, whose Yankees teams went toe-to-toe with Ramirez for years. "It was something that happened very quickly, obviously."

Outfielder Jason Bay is going to Boston and the Pittsburgh Pirates get four minor leaguers as part of the three-way deal.

Third baseman Andy LaRoche and right-handed pitcher Bryan Morris will go to the Pirates from the Dodgers. Outfielder Brandon Moss and right-handed pitcher Craig Hansen will leave the Red Sox organization for Pittsburgh.
Bay vs. Ramirez

At least for this season, Jason Bay and Manny Ramirez have similar numbers.
This season Bay Ramirez
BA .282 .299
HR 22 20
RBIs 64 68
OBP .375 .398
Slug pct. .515 .590
Wednesday's remarks by Ramirez, who has been involved in trade rumors the past few years, might have been the final straw for the Red Sox.

"The Red Sox don't deserve a player like me," Ramirez told ESPNdeportes.com. "During my years here, I've seen how they [the Red Sox] have mistreated other great players when they didn't want them to try to turn the fans against them.

"The Red Sox did the same with guys like Nomar Garciaparra and Pedro Martinez, and now they do the same with me. Their goal is to paint me as the bad guy. I love Boston fans, but the Red Sox don't deserve me. I'm not talking about money. Mental peace has no price, and I don't have peace here."

Dodgers infielder Garciaparra, who played for the Red Sox from 1996-2004, said he's always had the utmost respect for Ramirez.

"It's nice to see we've done something like this, to make a push for the next two months," Garciaparra said. "I think he'll be just fine. Manny is really a simple person. He works extremely hard. He just wants to play baseball and go home and be with his family. How can you not respect and love a guy like that?"

Ramirez, the MVP of the 2004 World Series, remains one of baseball's best hitters and has enjoyed plenty of big moments in October. But his relationship with the Red Sox soured -- again -- in recent months, prompting the All-Star outfielder to agree to the deal.

The Dodgers began the day one game behind first-place Arizona in the NL West, and were seeking a big bat. Boston, in the middle of the AL East race and chasing a second straight World Series title, wanted a productive hitter in return and got that in Bay.

At 29, Bay is a two-time All-Star and was hitting .282 with 22 home runs and 64 RBIs. Tampa Bay pursued Bay before he wound up with the Red Sox, who trail the first-place Rays by three games in the AL East.

Even before landing the enigmatic Ramirez, Los Angeles had a crowded outfield. Torre has been juggling Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier, Andruw Jones and Juan Pierre.
More on Ramirez deal

Keith Law breaks down the Manny Ramirez trade for the Dodgers -- and what it will mean for the Red Sox as well. Podcast

What does Manny Ramirez trade mean for fantasy players? Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier, Andruw Jones and Juan Pierre values could be about to take a serious hit, though we need to hear Joe Torre talk about how he'll juggle that five-man group. Story

"You wish you had the DH," Torre said. "We didn't plan in advance how to move things around."

Ramirez had a .312 batting average with 274 homers and 868 RBIs with the Red Sox, who have won as many postseason series with their former slugger in seven and a half seasons as the Dodgers have in the past 88 years.

Ramirez drove out of Fenway Park in a silver Mercedes at about 10:50 p.m. on Thursday night, with a handful of fans watching and a couple of television cameras rolling. He didn't stop to comment.

Ramirez, 36, was hitting .299 with a team-leading 20 homers and 68 RBIs for Boston. He hit his 500th career home run this year and is one of just eight players to hit at least 20 homers in 14 consecutive seasons. Dodgers GM Ned Colletti said Ramirez will be in Los Angeles' lineup Friday night against the Diamondbacks.

Ramirez was in the final guaranteed year of an eight-year, $160 million contract, and the Red Sox held $20 million options for the next two seasons. As part of the trade, the club options were eliminated.

So when all was said and done, the Dodgers picked up a summer rental they hope will give them a shot at improving upon a woeful postseason track record in the past 20 years. Since winning the 1988 World Series, they've made just four playoff appearances and won only one postseason game.

"We figured we had to do it," Colletti said. "There was obviously a point in time that you have to make a major decision. We did and we were glad we did it. Hopefully it pays dividends. We're confident we've got one of the best hitters in baseball coming in here -- one of the best hitters of his generation from the right side.

"He's a champion, he's a winner, and we really couldn't be happier with trying to make the club better at this point in time than to do this. We wanted this player at least for the next two months, and hopefully longer. So we're willing to take the chance and go with this guy."

The Pirates looked to the future with their acquisitions.

Hansen, a 24-year-old righty, was 1-3 with two saves and a 5.58 ERA in 32 games. A first-round draft choice in 2005, he became the first Boston player to reach the majors in the year was picked.

LaRoche, the younger brother of Pirates first baseman Adam LaRoche, hit .203 with two home runs and six RBIs in 27 games for the Dodgers. A power-hitting prospect at 24, he spent most of this year at Triple-A Las Vegas.

Moss, also 24, split the season between Boston and Triple-A Pawtucket. He hit .295 with five doubles and two homers in 78 at-bats. Last year, he led the International League with 59 extra-base hits.

Morris, a 21-year-old righty, was 2-4 with a 3.20 ERA for Class A Great Lakes.

ESPN.com baseball writer Jayson Stark, ESPN.com staff writer Amy K. Nelson, ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney, ESPN senior writer Keith Law and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

[K.C.]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3513383


Hmmm...uh...thanks for breaking the news!

:huh:

[OnANorton]

Hmmm...uh...thanks for breaking the news!

:huh:

Sorry, wasn't official till now. Please forgive me.

[underdog]

But I thought the Sox were the scrappy underdogs that don't spend and use only homegrown talent? That's how they're promoted by all media outlets and their fans.

They are? Since when?

It's Sox vs Yanks in the spending race for like 6 years or so, in the media. Including this year, even though the Tigers and Mets both have spent more money than the Saaaaawwwwx.

[ChrisTheCop]

Hmmm...uh...thanks for breaking the news!

:huh:

:lol:
The story starts off with the old news, but there is some other stuff later on; Nomar's welcoming words, and Manny leaving the park for the last time....

I'm sad.

[OGC]

:lol:
The story starts off with the old news, but there is some other stuff later on; Nomar's welcoming words, and Manny leaving the park for the last time....

I'm sad.

Time for a group hug from Red Sox nation ? :huh:

[K.C.]

They are? Since when?

It's Sox vs Yanks in the spending race for like 6 years or so, in the media. Including this year, even though the Tigers and Mets both have spent more money than the Saaaaawwwwx.

It was sarcasm, I think.

For years, people portrayed the Red Sox as the scrappy team that came together and fought its way past the evil rich Yankees, meanwhile maybe up until this year, the Yankees had far more homegrown talent, and the Sox in reality were like a band of hired mercenaries.

It was one of the great national misconceptions about the Red Sox, although I'm pretty sure people finally realize how untrue it was now.

[ADF]

I don't think anyone thought of the Red Sox as having a lot of homegrown talent, only that they spent less money than the Yankees. Of course, comparing them to most any other team in the league, the Red Sox have spent a shit-ton of money.

Being a Dodger fan, I'm really excited about this move. We gave up virtually nothing and get Manny with the Red Sox footing the bill for him. I'm not sure how many home runs he'll hit in Chavez Ravine, but he should remain an RBI machine. My only fear is that the Arizona pitchers or their young bats catch on fire, in which case I'm not sure that Manny will be enough.

[keithy_19]

I think the Yankees come out as winners with this deal as well. Same with Tampa, though I'm not sure if Tampa is going to be there come October.

Great deal for LA though, and also a great deal for the Pitt. The Red Sox got rid of a problem, and they added a solid outfielder, but they gave up a whole lot for it.

[Doogie]

I gotta say Red Sox...Jason Bay is a very underrated outfielder. Pirates have refused to field a good team since the Bonds/Bonilla/Drabek era. I would say Pirates second. They are building like the Marlins. Stock full of young talent. The Dodgers come in third, but it isnt really third when you are getting Manny is a division as shitty as the west. The thing to see is if he cuts his hair and how well he responds to Torre. Although I see it going amicably. Who knows...then again Manny is 36 years old. And the NL has bolstered its pitching staffs since 1998...

[BeerBandit]

Uh....WHAT????

Nick Evans is not anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Andy LaRoche. LaRoche was the 31st overall best prospect in baseball entering this season, and the second best 3B prospect behind Evan Longoria in the Minors. And the pitcher the Dodgers gave up was a former 1st round pick.

Nick Evans didn't crack the Top 100.

And that means nothing now. Andy LaRoche isn't a prospect anymore. He's a disappointing 25 yr old 3B batting .203. Nick Evans is 22 and batting .244. I'm not saying Nick Evans is a star in the making, but for the hype of LaRoche and the actuality of Evans, they're the same player.
You're probably right, it would've taken a bit of a high prospected pitcher, but my original point was it cost the Dodgers two glaringly unproven/disappointing players for Manny fucking Ramirez, one of the top three hitters in the whole game. If the Red Sox make the playoffs, fine, it worked out, good job, I'm wrong. If not, this is a bad, bad, bad, bad move, made in a panic.

[led37zep]

Fucking hate the dodgers.

[A.J.]

The Sox gave up Manny, Moss and Hansen and just got Bay back. I know he's a great player but that is a lot to give up.

Red Sox:
They give up Manny, Moss, and Hansen and $7 million for Bay. All I can say is Bay better be pretty damn good for them.

Exactly my thoughts. Theo couldn't at least wrangle a draft pick or a PTBNL for letting go of a future Hall of Famer?

Bay better shit gold cuff links for what Theo gave up.

[DOHO@HOME]

Good times ahead for the nation, manny being manny is over and it couldn't have come sooner.
He is a great hitter but not such a good fielder and has been club house cancer for a while.
I hope this is what Red Sox need to get back on track and hope the bullpin can come around which is all that needs to happen other then some bats to come alive.:clap::drunk::clap::thumbup: