all the proof I need to eat meat

[Freakshow]

Scientific evidence that men should not be vegetarians. (http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/617728.html?chan=top+news_top+news+index_lifestyle )

Eating half a serving of soy food a day lowers sperm concentrations and may play a role in male infertility, particularly in obese men, Harvard University researchers report.

The reason for this relationship between soy and sperm count isn't clear. However, researchers speculate that soy increases estrogen activity, which may have a negative affect on sperm production and also interfere with other hormonal signals.

[Furtherman]

Scientific evidence that should not men should not be vegetarians.

I'm going to need a moment to figure that out.

[Freakshow]

I was too busy making funny tags to actually post something in english...

[DJEvelEd]

Should not I have been a vegetarian I would not have eaten soy should I? Should I eat soy I should also eat beans, shouldn't you? Should I test my testosterone levels, they should be around 800, should be....
Should you be a fatty, should your testosterone be lower? Should be.

[A.J.]

Eating half a serving of soy food a day lowers sperm concentrations and may play a role in male infertility, particularly in obese men, Harvard University researchers report.


More soy, less condoms!

[Tallman388]

Look out steak, here I come!

[Freakshow]

Should not I have been a vegetarian I would not have eaten soy should I? Should I eat soy I should also eat beans, shouldn't you? Should I test my testosterone levels, they should be around 800, should be....
Should you be a fatty, should your testosterone be lower? Should be.

I don't know, but I wouldn't chase it with a Mountain Dew...

[Dirtybird12]

no real man avoids meat of any kind.

unless they are trying to impress a dumb vegetarian chick..

http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/vege.jpg

[drjoek]

Thread title sounds like a ready made mod quote

[Jujubees2]

I've been a vegetarian since 1987 and knocked up the wife twice in a three-year period. Guess I have super sperm!

[SatCam]

all the proof I need to eat meat

Eating half a serving of soy food a day lowers sperm concentrations

Someone likes big facials! :thumbup:

[RoseBlood]

That finding might have some of you throwing down steaks...
the rest of you might want to reconsider what orifice it's going in (http://ezinearticles.com/?Sperm-Taste---10-Simple-Tips-For-Better-Tasting-Semen&id=164106)

[Devo37]

Bacon is all the proof i need not to be a vegetarian.

[Thebazile78]

(1) The study was emphasizing problems "particularly in obese men" ... obesity in men and women actually reduces fertility because the excess fat changes your hormonal balance.

(2) Because the phytoestrogens in soy are so similar to estrogen, many breast and ovarian/uterine cancer survivors with estrogen-responsive tumors are advised not to eat soy. We had one woman checking in for last year's Avon Walk return her freebie UHP box of vanilla soymilk and a SoyJoy energy bar to us because her tumors would have been affected had she consumed them.

(3) There are other ways to get protein if you are a vegetarian. Beans and rice. Quinoa. Amaranth. Millet. Spinach (yes, spinach.) Cheese. .... I don't have to go on.

[Death Metal Moe]

http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/vege.jpg

DON'T FUCKING TEMPT ME!!!

[Freakshow]

(1) The study was emphasizing problems "particularly in obese men" ... obesity in men and women actually reduces fertility because the excess fat changes your hormonal balance.

(2) Because the phytoestrogens in soy are so similar to estrogen, many breast and ovarian/uterine cancer survivors with estrogen-responsive tumors are advised not to eat soy. We had one woman checking in for last year's Avon Walk return her freebie UHP box of vanilla soymilk and a SoyJoy energy bar to us because her tumors would have been affected had she consumed them.

(3) There are other ways to get protein if you are a vegetarian. Beans and rice. Quinoa. Amaranth. Millet. Spinach (yes, spinach.) Cheese. .... I don't have to go on.

for the record, i was only half-serious. a thread called soy lowers sperm count would have been a tad boring.

but still most of the vegetarians i know consume copious amounts of soy, especially in things that are supposed to taste like meat.

[Thebazile78]

for the record, i was only half-serious. a thread called soy lowers sperm count would have been a tad boring.

but still most of the vegetarians i know consume copious amounts of soy, especially in things that are supposed to taste like meat.

It's not so much that they're supposed to taste like meat, but they're supposed to have the same texture to help someone who'd been a committed carnivore ease his or her way into eliminating meat from their diet.

Most of the meat-replacement stuff on the market is garbage, though, which is really unfortunate. It has SUCH potential!!!! (I used to eat processed soy cheese and soy cold cuts until I decided that a rubber eraser would taste better. Ick.)

And consuming too much of anything is a bad thing ... "copious amounts" is a little excessive for anybody. There are some studies that suggest increasing soy intake in some women may contribute to heart disease and certain types of breast and reproductive cancers, and these were long-term studies released after touting the benefits of soy...and soy ended up getting into EVERYTHING marketed to women, from lotions and potions with anti-aging promises to vitamins and other foodstuffs. I may even have read that it can contribute to osteoporosis, but maybe I'm confusing it with another something I read. (Check the "Personal Health" columns with Jane Brody ... that's usually where I get a lot of my information.)

There are totally other ways to get your protein. Mark Bittman, a.k.a. The Minimalist, recently (Dining & Wine section, week of June 8th 2008) did an article about how to increase your vegetable intake and he described different veggies' protein and mineral contents. Your vegetarian friends should read the article (it's free online when you subscribe to the NY Times online ... also free.)