Metallica - Death Magnetic

[cougarjake13]

http://dashboard.metallica.com/ivergence/image/DM_COVER_200X_THUMBNAIL.JPG



comes out in september


track listing

do we really need a fucking unforgiven 3 ???


That Was Just Your Life
The End Of The Line
Broken, Beat & Scarred
The Day That Never Comes
All Nightmare Long
Cyanide
The Unforgiven III
The Judas Kiss
Suicide & Redemption
My Apocalypse

[razorboy]

do we really need a fucking unforgiven 3 ???

No.

[cougarjake13]

No.

didnt think so but yet we get one

i wonder if a few years from now we'll be up to unforgiven 6 ??

[razorboy]

i wonder if a few years from now we'll be up to unforgiven 6 ??

More likely Incontinent I.

[BeerBandit]

Maybe Kirk will decide to throw some solos on this record.:wallbash:


This band is just awful anymore.

[Doogie]

If this were 1992, I would be excited.

[underdog]

Does the vagina on the cd cover signify the pussies they've become?

I hope this album is just like St. Anger. I'm really looking forward to another Metallica album where Kirk doesn't have any solos and Lars plays the SAME FUCKING DRUMLINE in ever song.

[KnoxHarrington]

Reading that track list gave me douche chills.

[razorboy]

Reading that track list gave me douche chills.

But don't you find it dark and foreboding? I still don't know if anything can top the embarrassment that is "Chinese Democracy".

[KnoxHarrington]

But don't you find it dark and foreboding? I still don't know if anything can top the embarrassment that is "Chinese Democracy".

It sounds like they're trying *way* too hard. It could easily be the track listing for a Dethklok album.

[Death Metal Moe]

I will make a point to steal the album, mock it and break the CD.

Fucking cunts.

[BoondockSaint]

I love Metallica's first 3 albums. Justice was good and the Black album was ok. But, Rick Rubin is producing this album so I am pretty excited.

[KnoxHarrington]

I love Metallica's first 3 albums. Justice was good and the Black album was ok. But, Rick Rubin is producing this album so I am pretty excited.

Yeah, he really brought the Red Hot Chili Peppers back from the dead with that last album, didn't he.

There's only so much he can do. I think he's a tad overrated, myself.

[Yosammity]

Has anyone checked out the Mission Metallica website? It's got some clips from the new songs... Doesn't sound too bad, but there's no sound clips that last more than a few seconds.

Let's hope Rick Rubin can save this band.

[BoondockSaint]

Yeah, he really brought the Red Hot Chili Peppers back from the dead with that last album, didn't he.

There's only so much he can do. I think he's a tad overrated, myself.


He has way more hits than misses.

[midwestjeff]

I've heard the whole thing.

It's awful.

[bobsnin]

I saw them at bonnaroo and the show was pretty rad. Can't say I'll buy the album. Probably download it.

[BoondockSaint]

I've heard the whole thing.

It's awful.


Where?

[KnoxHarrington]

He has way more hits than misses.

Yeah, but he's not exactly working with unknown bands. He tends to get people at or close to the top of their game.

It's just there's this whole aura around Rubin that he's this super-genius who can take any band and make an album that goes ten times platinum with them. He's merely a fairly decent producer. And Metallica is so far gone and so done that I doubt he can pull greatness out of there.

[BoondockSaint]

Yeah, but he's not exactly working with unknown bands. He tends to get people at or close to the top of their game.

It's just there's this whole aura around Rubin that he's this super-genius who can take any band and make an album that goes ten times platinum with them. He's merely a fairly decent producer. And Metallica is so far gone and so done that I doubt he can pull greatness out of there.

Johnny Cash was at the top of his game?

[razorboy]

Johnny Cash was at the top of his game?

Aside from a little hiccup in the late 70s early 80s, when wasn't he?

[BoondockSaint]

Aside from a little hiccup in the late 70s early 80s, when wasn't he?

Early '80s? Come on. I love Cash but Rubin brought him back big time.

[TheMojoPin]

If this has them singing "'CUZ YER UNFORGIVEN THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!" it'll be worth it for the hilarity.

Rick Rubin needs to get back to his roots and produce some more hip-hop again. "99 Problems" was better than anything he's done with anyone besides Johnny Cash in about a decade. Maybe he and the Beasties can save each other.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Maybe Kirk will decide to throw some solos on this record.

If that scene in the documentary was real, then Kirk was not happy about no solos being on that last album.

do we really need a fucking unforgiven 3 ???

I never actually listened to the lyrics of the 1st two. Is there a running thread/story there?

What's the Apps? You can listen to Metallica 24/7 on your iPhone (or on your PC here (http://music.aol.com/radioguide/all-metallica-radio))

I don't get the hate for Metallica (well, the hate based on the Napster thing. Sure they are rich but they don't have to like it when people steal from them. The hate for the direction they have taken with their music I can understand. I still think they are talented musicians even if every few albums they keep messing up the sound on the drums)

I will check out the album to hear their new bass player, he was not on the last one

[KnoxHarrington]

Early '80s? Come on. I love Cash but Rubin brought him back big time.

Yeah, but his big idea was "Hey, maybe we should just record Johnny Cash with a single acoustic guitar." Hardly a shocking stroke of transcendent genius.

Look, I'm not saying that Rubin sucks or isn't a great producer. I'm just saying that he's not exactly working with stiffs here. He's not exactly Steve Albini recording anyone who can come up with a few grand.

[cougarjake13]

If that scene in the documentary was real, then Kirk was not happy about no solos being on that last album.



I never actually listened to the lyrics of the 1st two. Is there a running thread/story there?



I will check out the album to hear their new bass player, he was not on the last one

dont know never listened to the lyrics that intently, there might be

i know bob rock played bass on the last album but did trujillo do anything on the album or just tour ??

[razorboy]

Their last studio album was called "St. Anger". How in the hell am I supposed to take this band seriously?

[ScottFromGA]

really lost respect for them in the last album. it sounded like Lars was playing in a 55 gallon drum with his simple drum beats.


I hope they notice that and really up this one...from what I've heard so far, I might take a listener or two just to see how I like it.

[Doctor Manhattan]

i know bob rock played bass on the last album but did trujillo do anything on the album or just tour ??

As far as I know he was hired after the album was recorded, so just the tour.

it sounded like Lars was playing in a 55 gallon drum with his simple drum beats.

Lars explaining at least the issue with the snare drum on St Anger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyM3_u8SDNQ)

Lars, years ago, explaining that people don't tell him that something sounds off (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_TfgKBIsm8&NR=1), but you'd think in the studio when they play it back he would hear it himself or his bandmates would tell him, so it doesn't really explain why the drums sound bad on St Anger and …And Justice for All

[silks]

This saddens me. I will now go listen to "The Call Of Ktulu"

[fezident]

Strangely, I always disliked Metallica but, I respect 'em, and part of me never fully understood the deep hatred that Metallica fans developed for that band.

The band evolved. They matured.

I understand that the band changed their whole identity (several times) but, they always get slammed for "selling out" and never get credit for "growing up". I hate it when bands make the same record over and over and over. At the very least.... they're not guilty of that. I feel like they never get credit for branching out.

[BeerBandit]

Strangely, I always disliked Metallica but, I respect 'em, and part of me never fully understood the deep hatred that Metallica fans developed for that band.

The band evolved. They matured.

I understand that the band changed their whole identity (several times) but, they always get slammed for "selling out" and never get credit for "growing up". I hate it when bands make the same record over and over and over. At the very least.... they're not guilty of that. I feel like they never get credit for branching out.
There's a difference between "growing up/branching out" and playing boring, uninspired watered down crap. This band used to compose some of most elegantly written songs in all of rock. Sure it was metal but it was written with the complexity of classical pieces. Now they just rehash old riffs or write dumb pop songs, but loud, screamy and distorted so that it "sounds" metal. I never bought Load and Reload, but I picked up St. Anger. Folks were saying that they went back to their roots. This was going to be their back to kickin' ass album. It is fucking awful. I kept it for the last 3 years, finally popped it in the CD player to listen to again, took it out and threw it away. By the 4th track it's just boring. And after this long ~18 years of making bad music, I write them off as a lost cause.

[fezident]

But nobody is addressing the fact that they WANTED to be more commercial.
Lars once gave an interview and said " we weren't writing SONGS anymore. We were merely writing PARTS. Our concerts became an exercise for us in successfully getting from section to section without making mistakes or fucking up. It was amazingly stressful and amazingly boring all at once. It wasn't music... it was musicality. We hated it. All of the songs that we loved when we were growing up were compact songs that GROOVED. We collectively decided to go down that path...."

I never forgot that interview. He was making so much sense and he was being so honest.

If Metallica DIDN'T change gears, they'd be making the most dishonest music of their career. They'd be phoning it in. Eventually.... even their diehards would abandon them.




Also, and I speculating here, they weren't kids anymore... they're adults. And tastes change. The whole "you're gonna be blown away when you hear how fast my double kick pedals are!" and "wait unitl you hear how gravely I can make my voice!" mentality is something you outgrow. As a musician, I relate to that. And respect the hell out of it.

[BeerBandit]

But nobody is addressing the fact that they WANTED to be more commercial.
Lars once gave an interview and said " we weren't writing SONGS anymore. We were merely writing PARTS. Our concerts became an exercise for us in successfully getting from section to section without making mistakes or fucking up. It was amazingly stressful and amazingly boring all at once. It wasn't music... it was musicality. We hated it. All of the songs that we loved when we were growing up were compact songs that GROOVED. We collectively decided to go down that path...."

I never forgot that interview. He was making so much sense and he was being so honest.

If Metallica DIDN'T change gears, they'd be making the most dishonest music of their career. They'd be phoning it in. Eventually.... even their diehards would abandon them.




Also, and I speculating here, they weren't kids anymore... they're adults. And tastes change. The whole "you're gonna be blown away when you hear how fast my double kick pedals are!" and "wait unitl you hear how gravely I can make my voice!" mentality is something you outgrow. As a musician, I relate to that. And respect the hell out of it.
Yes, and Papa Roach wants to make the music they make, and Staind wants to make the music they make, and Linkin Park wants to make the music they make, yet it's all crap. Basically what Lars said there is that making good music was too hard. It's a lot easier making shit. Apparently they've been fooling us for a decade into thinking that they were brilliant composers. Or perhaps the most talented member was sleeping in the wrong bed one night. Either way the music they make now does not interest me one bit.

[fezident]

What's "elgantly composed" and what's "crap" is not the issue. One mans garbage is another mans gold, my grampa used to say. So... let's not talk about opinions here. Let's talk about the band and their motives.

The issue is: adult Metallica outgrew young Metallica. It has nothing to do with what's easier to churn out. There is nothing easy about going into a studio and sculpting every single note for 9 hours a day with an engineer. It's tedious, stressful, exhausting , unenjoyable and massively expensive. (especially before Protools!!)

Metallica didn't want to do what they'd already done for a decade. They took that as far as they could take it and decided, as a band, to make music that they themselves would want to listen to. The whole drink-till-I'm-blind-and-then-create-monster-riffs approach reached it's limit for them.
Their radical change in style doesn't negate what they'd already accomplished. The same way that The Phantom Menace debacle doesn't negate what Lucas accomplished with the original Star Wars. The new stuff sucks but, the old stuff is still there for you to enjoy.

In a lot of ways, they're not unlike U2 and Achtung Baby. It was a radical departure from their previous work that quickly broke down barriers for a band that was already hugely popular and relevant.

It's also important to realize, they did remain heavy. They didn't do a rap-rock thing. They didn't use loops. The didn't go country. They streamlined what they had.

Wouldn't you feel MORE let-down if they put out a record of by-the-numbers metal? Wouldn't that be MORE of a sellout manuever? If they basically made a Metallica tribute record?
Wouldn't THAT be the path of least resistance?

[TheMojoPin]

Not necessarily.

Not when the alternative is ulistenable dreck or cheesy commercial dirges.

I don't hear at any point where they "radically" changed anything. They just lazily tweeked or dropped small parts of what they were known for or attempted to "grunge" themselves out.

And Lars has always been an annoying midget whose drumkit is WAY too fucking big for the simple shit he plays.

[fezident]

FINALLY!
You are the first musician I know who DOESN'T think Lars "fuckin' amaaaazing".

Thank you.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, but I'm a shitty musician who can't play anything well.

[fezident]

Maybe, but... your stock went up another two points when you called Lars "over rated".

[TheMojoPin]

Maybe, but... your stock went up another two points when you called Lars "over rated".

Is he really that highly touted? I thought even in their heyday he was just kind of silently tolerated because he didn't completely suck.

[Dougie Brootal]

lars sucks. all his beats are simple 4/4 patterns with a bunch of military style snare fills. my grandmother is a better drummer than lars.

[underdog]

Is he really that highly touted? I thought even in their heyday he was just kind of silently tolerated because he didn't completely suck.

I think general Metallica fans think he's amazing (like Opie and Anthony do), but anyone with a little bit of musical knowledge usually knows there's much better drummers.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Kirk is an amazing guitar player.

And I checked with some guitar players before posting this so my post is a musician certified opinion.

[Dougie Brootal]

Kirk is an amazing guitar player.

And I checked with some guitar players before posting this so my post is a musician certified opinion.

i have to agree.

[FunkyDrummer]

dont know never listened to the lyrics that intently, there might be

i know bob rock played bass on the last album but did trujillo do anything on the album or just tour ??

Trujillo's contributions on the new album...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVfKguhVe5Q

[underdog]

Kirk is an amazing guitar player.

I agree. That's why it was so irritating that there were zero guitar solos on the last album.

[fezident]

Bob Rock recorded the bass tracks that appear on St. Anger. (Even Bob doesn't know who manufactured the triangular pickup that was installed.) The bass tracks were not recorded directly but, rather, by turning up the volume and letting it bleed into the drum mics.
Robert was hired after those sessions for touring, appearences, and promotional duties.



As for who's "good" and who "sucks", it's hard to argue. The very thing that somebody LOVES about someone's playing might be the one thing that another person hates. Having said that, Lars isn't at all a versatile drummer. He's flashy and aggressive and... he IS a great showman. But, his idea of hangin' back and laying down a groove with a pulse is completely out to lunch. I was quite shocked to hear him use the open spaces to his advantage on, say, "Sad But True".
One could argue that Bob Rock is more responsible for those open grooves than Lars is but, who knows? Maybe Lars always WANTED to hang back but other producers were encouraging him to overplay.
Another facet is the bass. Or the lack thereof.
Cliff was a beast but, there wasn't much in the of BOTTOM. He played ferociously but, it always punched you in the teeth... not the chest.
Bob Rock introduced low-end of the spectrum to that band. Bass freqs were comin' outta both guitars, the bass guitar, and FINALLY... the kick drum. (less clicky 4k than on AND JUSTICE FOR ALL). Additonally, Bob added layers and layers of backing vox. These vocals filled in spaces that were previously empty. On earlier albums, the band might've felt the need to fill those spaces with instrumentation. That's very a green, albeit common, approach.
And then there's the textures. A roland jazz chorus JC120 combo-amp? In a Metallica studio??? Blasphemy!! Nope. Just Bob Rock doin' his thing. They used that stock amp, off the shelf, with the built in chorus to create the opening to "Enter Sandman". Something as simple as adding a little "blue" to that guitar intro gave it a whole new feel. Something previous producers hadn't tried. (or were veto'd by the band.)

I wasn't there but, I suspect that when Metallica heard their own music, after it went through Bob Rocks 96-track crazy straw, they were elated. It must've been like seeing in color for the first time! The entire left side of the EQ was previously unused. Now... it was the foundation for the entire mix!

I know that Lars was blown away with what Bob Rock was able to achieve with SONIC TEMPLE by The Cult and with DR. FEELGOOD by Motley. So... they went in to those sessions with a new game face. They WANTED a polished record and boy, did they get one! And they were pleased. As evidenced by their subsequent recordings with him.

[TheMojoPin]

Lars' dad is more metal than he is.

[underdog]

So, what is everyone's thought on the new single?

I feel the "song" part is so-so, but the last 3-4 minutes of the song are fucking classic Metallica. It's really refreshing to hear. A huge guitar solo and just some heavy, heavy rock. Although Lars' drums are still way too fucking loud.

Also, if you go to Metallica's website, you can get a "Taste of Death", and they are all 15 second clips of new Metallica songs. And they are ALL really promising. It almost sounds like Metallica of old.

[Death Metal Moe]

So, what is everyone's thought on the new single?


Not good, to say the least.

[underdog]

Not good, to say the least.

Really? I guess my expectation were so low after The Album They Won't Even Play On The All Metallica Channel that I thought the song was pretty decent.

[Death Metal Moe]

Really? I guess my expectation were so low after The Album They Won't Even Play On The All Metallica Channel that I thought the song was pretty decent.

It seems most Metallica fans I hear talk about the tracks they've heard of Death Magnetic are actually very excited about them. I couldn't give a shit less.

I am not buying this album, I have not been impressed in the least with the tracks I heard and I'm not sure I'm even going to download the CD from someplace just to laugh at it.

Metallica has fuck themselves in my mind. They just got reallyl bad, and topped it off by releasing the "musically retarded" St. Anger piece of shit. Metallica has A LOT to prove to and a lot to make up for in my eyes as an old school Metallica fan.

I undertand they can't release Master of Puppets every album, artists need to change, grow and branch out. But not at the expense of their musical integrity, as Metallica did. We know what they are capable of, and they shit us out Load, Reload and St Anger? That was strike 3 with me.

The last nail in the Death Magnetic coffin for me was seeing "Unforgiven 3" on the track list. Holy fucking shit, you're so desperate for ideas you do that? Fuck all of you, that is horrible. The song wasn't even good enough to warrant a 2.

[stinkbud]

So, what is everyone's thought on the new single?

I feel the "song" part is so-so, but the last 3-4 minutes of the song are fucking classic Metallica. It's really refreshing to hear. A huge guitar solo and just some heavy, heavy rock. Although Lars' drums are still way too fucking loud.

Also, if you go to Metallica's website, you can get a "Taste of Death", and they are all 15 second clips of new Metallica songs. And they are ALL really promising. It almost sounds like Metallica of old.

I love the new single...i have listened to it many times already.

I think it kinda sounds like a song from Justice but only produced better.

[cougarjake13]

like underdog said the first half is so so

but the back end kicks ass

[stinkbud]

My Apocalypse was released today, and it is being streamed in full at metallicas web site like the other song was. It is heavy. I like what I have heard so far. So much that I am even willing to give Unforgiven III a chance.

Rick Rubin FTW

[BeerBandit]

I caught "The Day That Never Comes" and turned it off after a couple of minutes. It was boring, run of the mill, modern rock. They haven't learned a goddamn thing, stubborn hacks.

[JustJon]

I've heard both songs released so far. I've been putting on the Metallica channel at work and have to turn it off when I hear the Death Magnetic songs.

[cougarjake13]

like the my apopcolypse song

[underdog]

I caught "The Day That Never Comes" and turned it off after a couple of minutes. It was boring, run of the mill, modern rock. They haven't learned a goddamn thing, stubborn hacks.

You have to make it through the first couple of minutes to hear a good song.

And how are they stubborn? They keep changing, that's why everyone hates their new music. Because its different than the old.

[cougarjake13]

You have to make it through the first couple of minutes to hear a good song.

And how are they stubborn? They keep changing, that's why everyone hates their new music. Because its different than the old.



yeh if the radio stations just cut off the first few minutes of the song and play the second half people would prob like it more

[BeerBandit]

You have to make it through the first couple of minutes to hear a good song.

And how are they stubborn? They keep changing, that's why everyone hates their new music. Because its different than the old.
First couple seconds, yes. But if the song sucks in the first couple of minutes, it's a bad song. For a song to be good, the whole thing has to be good.

They are stubborn for the same reasons you are about this band. They think that their fans are pissed at them because the new stuff doesn't sound like the old stuff. Wrong. I'm certain that if the last couple albums had the same vibe as Puppets or Lightning that we'd all be saying, "They're boring. It's just more of the same. They aren't evolving." I laugh when people get excited about a new AC/DC album. They've been putting out the same album for the last 20 years. I'm glad Rage Against the Machine stopped after 3 albums because the formula was getting a bit played out. Metallica isn't evolving, they have spent the last 20 years (goddamn, has it been that long since Justice) finding the sound of the day and writing a soulless album that fits it, but is just different enough to have that Metalllica sound. Instead of pioneers they are followers.

After Load, my friend and I were lamenting and trying to figure out how this band that shaped our musical tastes could go in this direction. We decided that they were nothing more than a Slayer copycat. They tried only to do what Slayer was doing but more polished. Load/Reload are nothing more than Metallized NuMetal. Then when they were going to go "old School" they though we'll just play harder, fuzz it up, and pot up the drums. St. Anger.

I'll still check out each song as they come out, but my hopes are as high as any new Ben Stiller movie that comes out. More of the same shit that dupes the fans into thinking it's different. HE'S NOT FUNNY, people!

[Doctor Manhattan]

I like "My Apocalypse" but not "The Day That Never Comes"

They played "My Apocalypse" on O&A yesterday and one of the background people said it sounded like Metallica was trying too hard. Not sure what he means by that.

I think it's just cool not to like Metallica now. I'm excited to see what else they came up with, I think Robert Trujillo is a great addition to the band.

[JustJon]

I like "My Apocalypse" but not "The Day That Never Comes"

They played "My Apocalypse" on O&A yesterday and one of the background people said it sounded like Metallica was trying too hard. Not sure what he means by that.

I think it's just cool not to like Metallica now. I'm excited to see what else they came up with, I think Robert Trujillo is a great addition to the band.

Yes, but O&A also wouldn't comment when the song was over either.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Yes, but O&A also wouldn't comment when the song was over either.

I'm not saying people have to like the song (Jimmy did say he liked it.) Opie and Anthony don't like it and are not commenting just in case they are able to get Metallica on the show, I get it and I don't have a problem with that, In fact Anthony didn't even have to bring it up (the fact that no one was commenting) I just think the "background guy" (Danny? Travis?) just wanted to not like it and was reaching for something negative to say, but of course that's just a guess, I really don't know.

Metallica will be releasing 2 more songs before the album comes out. Sept 2 and Sept 9.

Why did Metallica go back to their classic logo but change the first A and the C?

[BeerBandit]

I'm not saying people have to like the song (Jimmy did say he liked it.) Opie and Anthony don't like it and are not commenting just in case they are able to get Metallica on the show, I get it and I don't have a problem with that, In fact Anthony didn't even have to bring it up (the fact that no one was commenting) I just think the "background guy" (Danny? Travis?) just wanted to not like it and was reaching for something negative to say, but of course that's just a guess, I really don't know.

Metallica will be releasing 2 more songs before the album comes out. Sept 2 and Sept 9.

Why did Metallica go back to their classic logo but change the first A and the C?

I've never held Opie and Anthony's taste in music in any high regard. You lose a lot of creedence when you talk about metal and have never heard of Killing Joke.

[RhinoinMN]

I've heard both songs released so far. I've been putting on the Metallica channel at work and have to turn it off when I hear the Death Magnetic songs.

x2

[Doctor Manhattan]

I've never held Opie and Anthony's taste in music in any high regard.

Actually I have no idea what the hell they like. Jimmy seems to only like a few bands (Sabbath, Solo Ozzy, Kiss and MotorHead, probably some others I'm missing as well), but he REALLY likes them. Anthony loves No Doubt:wink:

I don't hold their tastes in other things in any regard as well.

[KnoxHarrington]

Actually I have no idea what the hell they like. Jimmy seems to only like a few bands (Sabbath, Solo Ozzy, Kiss and MotorHead, probably some others I'm missing as well), but he REALLY likes them. Anthony loves No Doubt:wink:

I don't hold their tastes in other things in any regard as well.

One day, Opie was in full rant mode about how Deep Tracks doesn't play any songs he knows, and he checked out what was on it at that moment, and the song turned out to be "Cleaning Windows" by Van Morrison, and he sneered "Is that just him cleaning a window?"

A few months later, Ronnie's playing that song for Moochie as he leaves to return to Ireland and it's one of the most touching, inspiring moments I've ever heard on radio.

Ronnie's a man. Opie wants to pretend he still lives in the frat house.

[TheMojoPin]

I think it's just cool not to like Metallica now.

That would require there to still be something relevant or cool about Metallica.

[ScottFromGA]

I've heard the Cyanide song played on 51 a few times.....I really enjoy it, but it is live so I wonder if its live on the album as well.

[BeerBandit]

I've heard the Cyanide song played on 51 a few times.....I really enjoy it, but it is live so I wonder if its live on the album as well.

I heard it, too, when System of a Down did it back in '01 and called it "Forest." I knew I had heard that lick before. Check it. Track 8, Toxicity.

[ScottFromGA]

noted. I haven't heard a System of the Down album in a while and the one before that double disc piece of garbage they put out was a very good one.....only if I could remember the name of it.


I'm gonna give it a chance as an old school Metallica fan. I listen to 51, here all the old song and get the same feeling I got when I was younger. I'm still a fan of the older stuff, it also makes me feel so great when my daughter listens and bobs her head to the music. I'm just not one of those that are piling on and hate something I use to love so much just cause they put out a few albums that didn't peak our interests.


p.s. - Load and Reload wasn't that bad of albums......it went downhill with the S&M shit.

[Snoogans]

Why did Metallica go back to their classic logo but change the first A and the C?

To pay tribute to the greatest band ever. AC baby

[Hottub]

That would require there to still be something relevant or cool about Metallica.

Now that we have the obligatory snide comment from Mojo...


Carry on.

[cougarjake13]

noted. I haven't heard a System of the Down album in a while and the one before that double disc piece of garbage they put out was a very good one.....only if I could remember the name of it.





steal this album ???

[TheMojoPin]

Now that we have the obligatory snide comment from Mojo...


Carry on.

I was only half kidding.

It's pretty ridiulous to somehow think making fun of Metallica or not liking their newer music is in any way "cool."

And who cares if they're no longer cool or relevant? We all listen to bands that are neither.

[Nobody's Hero]

I can't really get into the new songs at all. I like parts of Cyanide (the heavy Middle-Eastern vibe underneath the chorus is very cool), but the other two songs sound really forced. Especially "My Apocalypse." That song sounds like Metallica trying to prove to old-school fans that they can still play thrash if they choose to. The problem is, if we go by that tune, they can't. At least not well. I've seen a lot of bitching about the drums and the bass being buried in the mix, but to my ears the guitar tones are pretty dreadful. I won't even get into the guitar solo (Yuch.) Plus, after 12 years of "experimenting" with your sound, trying to go backward seems kind of desperate to me.

[Dirtbag]

noted. I haven't heard a System of the Down album in a while and the one before that double disc piece of garbage they put out was a very good one.....only if I could remember the name of it.Wait... are you saying Steal this Album or Hypnotize/Mezmorize was shit? Steal this Album is shit and there was definitely a reason those songs didn't make the final cut on their debut or Toxicity. But their last album was great if you're a fan. I know a lot of people who hate SoaD on principle, but if you're into them I don't see how you could dislike that one.

p.s. - Load and Reload wasn't that bad of albums......it went downhill with the S&M shit.Quoted for half-truth. I love Load and Reload. Obviously not as much as Kill - Justice, but there are some great songs on those albums. The only problem is there are a couple really shitty ones too, a problem Metallica hadn't had up to that point. The idea behind S&M was fine, it was just the two new songs on it were kind of lackluster. But even -Human and No Leaf Clover beat out St. Anger. Death Magnetic will have to surpass Dave Matthews levels of suck to not make up for St. Anger.

[ScottFromGA]

Toxicity...thats the one I'm thinking of.


I completely forgot about Steal This Album.....shows how much I pay attention to entertainment these days, I've become quite the "Old Man" when it comes to anyhing from 2002 and up.

[BeerBandit]

Wait... are you saying Steal this Album or Hypnotize/Mezmorize was shit? Steal this Album is shit and there was definitely a reason those songs didn't make the final cut on their debut or Toxicity. But their last album was great if you're a fan. I know a lot of people who hate SoaD on principle, but if you're into them I don't see how you could dislike that one.
Quoted for half-truth. I love Load and Reload. Obviously not as much as Kill - Justice, but there are some great songs on those albums. The only problem is there are a couple really shitty ones too, a problem Metallica hadn't had up to that point. The idea behind S&M was fine, it was just the two new songs on it were kind of lackluster. But even -Human and No Leaf Clover beat out St. Anger. Death Magnetic will have to surpass Dave Matthews levels of suck to not make up for St. Anger.
I'd have to disagree on that. Steal this album has a lot of great shit on it. Hypno/Mezmer were awful. I'll listen to the first one here and there but the second one is pure drek. It's just so watered down and blah.

[JerseySean]

The album leaked today it is on torrent sites

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080903.WBmingram20080903115649/WBStory/WBmingram

I am in my first listen right now, it is awesome first time through anyway. I will be purchasing it when it comes out, but the leak- is great for today.

[stinkbud]

I am listening now...so far, i am really loving this. I was a bit wary of Unforgiven III but it is a pretty damn good song. This will be pissing my neighbors off for weeks to come.

[JerseySean]

I am listening now...so far, i am really loving this. I was a bit wary of Unforgiven III but it is a pretty damn good song. This will be pissing my neighbors off for weeks to come.

Its definiately listenable. i dont have any songs grabbing me just yet. Lets see, I love the sound though.

[cougarjake13]

ive liked what i have heard so far


at this point anything is better that st anger

[jetdog]

"Kill 'em All" is the greatest heavy metal album of all time. Metallica does not exist outside of this piece of work (except for "the shortest straw").

[cougarjake13]

"Kill 'em All" is the greatest heavy metal album of all time. Metallica does not exist outside of this piece of work (except for "the shortest straw").



why does shortest straw stick out for you ???

[jetdog]

why does shortest straw stick out for you ???

the riff is really original and the guitar solo is fucking amazing.

[JerseySean]

"Kill 'em All" is the greatest heavy metal album of all time. Metallica does not exist outside of this piece of work (except for "the shortest straw").

I couldnt possible DISagree more. Kill em All may be the biggest piece of shit ever released. Ride, Master and Justice are the greatest.

[jetdog]

I couldnt possible agree more. Kill em All may be the biggest piece of shit ever released. Ride, Master and Justice are the greatest.

your post confuses me

[BoondockSaint]

I was really excited when I heard Rubin was producing but from what I heard my enthusiasm has been greatly diminished. Just because a song is 7 minutes long doesn't mean they are back to Master of Puppets quality of songs.

[JerseySean]

I was really excited when I heard Rubin was producing but from what I heard my enthusiasm has been greatly diminished. Just because a song is 7 minutes long doesn't mean they are back to Master of Puppets quality of songs.

Never will be but the quality is much better than anything else.

[BoondockSaint]

Never will be but the quality is much better than anything else.

Anything else meaning?

[Doctor Manhattan]

Metallica does not exist outside of this piece of work (except for "the shortest straw").

I googled "Metallica" and found out that they have made 8 studio albums after Kill 'Em All and a handful of other releases as well. Check 'em out! Ride the Lighting and Master of Puppets are really good. The other albums generally have some good stuff in it, even they have some misses as well (some more than others)

So who is playing the piano on "Unforgiven III"? I guess starting the 3rd one with the same reversed horn sound from the first 2 would just be silly, are they doing an "S&M" thing again? Once it kicks in the song isn't bad.

[cougarjake13]

Anything else meaning?

st anger

[Doctor Manhattan]

I've listened to the whole thing now and I like it. The songs are not anywhere close to Kill, Lightning, Puppets or Justice level masterpieces but they are so much better than Anger. I don't know how to compare them to Load and Reload since those albums went in different directions (Country, Blues) and there is no Cum on the cover.

They have an an instrumental track, first since Justice

I still don't get why people say it's "forced" but since I'm not there with them writing the songs I really don't know (I've looked at a few "fly on the wall" videos on youtube, but I still can't say know if the songs are flowing naturally or they are forcing it. I hope Kirk gets a "banana guitar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tzmPZoFdU4)" to play on tour)

I think Jason leaving and Robert joining has really helped the other guys, and it's not that Jason wasn't talented, but his leaving had to have some effect on them and it looks like they allowed Robert to add his talents to the mix and not just have him be the latest replacement for Cliff.

[yojimbo7248]

All I know is that XM promo for their Metallica show is driving me up the wall.

[cougarjake13]

All I know is that XM promo for their Metallica show is driving me up the wall.

it has been getting a tad annoying

[FunkyDrummer]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/zombiegore/jameshetfuck.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/zombiegore/jameshetfuck.jpg

Holy Christ, that is hysterical.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Holy Shit. This guy:
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1038/james1gy8.jpg
Is wearing fucking flip flops? He looks so gay with that shopping bag.

Is the band out shopping together? It's not like it's just "family time James" shopping with his chick. Hell, Robert still looks cool (like he's in a rock band or something) Trujillo can do no wrong. Hetfield should pay attention.

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2285/james1ea6.jpg
What the fuck, Jamz? What did you do with this guy?

[FunkyDrummer]

Holy Shit. This guy:
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1038/james1gy8.jpg
Is wearing fucking flip flops? He looks so gay with that shopping bag.

Is the band out shopping together? It's not like it's just "family time James" shopping with his chick. Hell, Robert still looks cool (like he's in a rock band or something) Trujillo can do no wrong. Hetfield should pay attention.

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2285/james1ea6.jpg
What the fuck, Jamz? What did you do with this guy?


It's called rehab...

[Doctor Manhattan]

So it's either drink too much or look like a fruit?

[JustJon]

And yet they kicked Dave Mustane out for doing too many drugs....

[FunkyDrummer]

And yet they kicked Dave Mustane out for doing too many drugs....

Sad but true.

[Dirtbag]

He's pushing 50, has 3 kids, and is a fucking millionaire. He can do whatever he wants.

[Manster72]

september 27, 1987 thats when metallica, stopped being a thrash band. Cliff was the heart of the band and the only bassest. there will never be old metallica. that being said, i still love the band. no other show will top a metallica show. they are the best live band period like the new stuff or not. now stick that metal up your ass and buy the new album so you can trash it. but make sure you listen more than once. that day that never comes actually is growing on me.

[cougarjake13]

i always found it weird that he never had any tats

and then after he goes to rehab he's been tat crazy

[Dirtbag]

i always found it weird that he never had any tats

and then after he goes to rehab he's been tat crazy

Like Dr. Phil always says, "replace something with something."

[Tall_James]

Was this one of the 100 Gayest albums of all time?

[FunkyDrummer]

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[Doctor Manhattan]

Anyone pick it up yet? I had the leaked version on my iPod for more than a week now (and you can listen to the whole thing for free on metallica.com (http://metallica.com/index.asp?item=601231)) but I think Lars is saving up for some more huge artwork so I think I'll support them but actually buying it as well.

The CD case looks interesting with a 3D layering of the artwork and a clear sheet on top with the Metallica logo (like the transparent overlays for the human anatomy I used to see around)

[Doctor Manhattan]

Looks like the clear sheet was just a sticker on the outside of the shirk wrap. The one I saw was a Target which was packaged differently than the standard plastic jewel case I later saw at Best Buy with a much smaller, easier to see as a sticker, logo sticker.

[Slumbag]

Wait... are you saying Steal this Album or Hypnotize/Mezmorize was shit? Steal this Album is shit and there was definitely a reason those songs didn't make the final cut on their debut or Toxicity. But their last album was great if you're a fan. I know a lot of people who hate SoaD on principle, but if you're into them I don't see how you could dislike that one.

Quote for Truth, man. I love Hypnotize/Mezmorize. I have a lot of friends who hated it because it wasn't necessarily the same kind of songs as Toxicity. But, I'm a fan of the band, and not the type of music. I even enjoy Serj's solo stuff, and Daron and Johns "Scars on Broadway".
I am listening now...so far, i am really loving this. I was a bit wary of Unforgiven III but it is a pretty damn good song. This will be pissing my neighbors off for weeks to come.
I was gonna come to this thread and initially trash this song, but I actually think it is fantastic. Still listening to the rest of the album, but III is by far my favorite so far.

[ScottFromGA]

I've been catching a lot of the new songs on XM 51 and I'm really enjoying them all. It beats a lot of the newer "rock" shit that has came out in a long time....at least there is guitar solos like should be, singing like there should be, no fucking stupid hooks that keep getting repeated over and over and more importantly, NO FUCKING CHILDLIKE ANGST!!

FUCKING EMO TYPE ROCK BANDS ARE PUSSIES AND I WISH THEY WOULD ALL DIE!!! or just get dropped from their label....dying is a little harsh....


This isn't the Old Metallica...it isn't their worst. Nothing will ever be Master of Puppets...Nothing will ever be the Black Album. But for what they've done in a long time, this is their best work.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I have been enjoying the album. I think it's great. I agree it's not Puppets or Lightning or even the Black album level goodness, but it's a good album. Even "The Day That Never Comes" which I didn't like so much at first really grew on me.

Danny from O&A can deconstruct my bawls.

[Bob Impact]

I can't disagree more, this album made me ill.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I can't disagree more, this album made me ill.

That's cool. I just hate it when people can't just say they like it or hate it. So Bob, please don't do anything to/with my bawls.

[cougarjake13]

ive been playing the shit out of the cd

as has been said it isnt the 80's stuff or black album

but its light years ahead of st anger and better than either of the loads

[ScottFromGA]

problem is people expect to damn much....

I like this album.:thumbup:

[underdog]

Saw them live tonight. It was a great concert.

And this new album is fantastic. The songs were fantastic live. I think "All Nightmare Long" might be one of the hardest songs they've ever put out.