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Towelie
07-03-2008, 09:38 AM
It's time for NL to adopt the DH

The annual pummeling of the National League in interleague play has stopped. All that is left is the annual pummeling of the National League in the All-Star Game on July 15.

The American League leads the National League by a 149-102 margin in interleague play with one game remaining. It's the fifth straight year the AL has held the edge and the most one-sided margin other than the AL's 154-98 advantage two years ago.

The National League hasn't won an All-Star Game since 1996. The streak used to serve merely as an embarrassment. As long as it continues, it means the AL team gets to start the World Series at home and host a potential Game 7.

So if the National League wants to get up to speed, one significant change needs to be made.

It's time for the National League to adopt the designated hitter rule.

There is no good reason for the NL to be clinging to the past, and other than Arizona's Micah Owings, there's just nothing pretty about watching pitchers try to hit.

When you add the DH to the game, you increase run production. That in itself increases attendance. That increases revenues and provides the funds to go out and better your team, whether it's through spending on free agents, foreign scouting or player development.

The DH rule allows teams to save their players. Rangers manager Ron Washington has gotten maximum value out of Milton Bradley this season. Bradley suffered a knee injury in the final week of 2007 while playing for the San Diego Padres.

Had he remained a Padre, he probably wouldn't have been a regular in the lineup until mid-May because of the wear and tear of playing the outfield every day. With the Rangers, Bradley has served as the DH 51 times and is bound to be an All-Star for the first time with his league-leading on-base production.

The Yankees' Hideki Matsui is in a similar situation coming back from last year's knee injury. He's no longer an outfield regular, but his bat is in the lineup almost daily, thanks to serving as DH for 43 games.

LA Angels manager Mike Scioscia is able to give Vlad Guerrero regular breaks to keep his bat in the lineup and his legs fresh. He has been DH 20 times this season.

Not having the DH limits the players National League teams can even pursue in free agency. Let's face it; Jim Thome still was a productive hitter for the Phillies in 2004 before injuries limited him in 2005.

Serving primarily as DH for the White Sox, he prolonged his career to the point that his 523 career home runs put him in the Hall of Fame discussion. He probably could not have done that by finishing his career in the National League.

For the most part in the modern game, "small ball" has become small-minded. I don't have any problems with teams bunting runners over to third in the eighth inning of a tie game. Makes sense.

Bunting in the first four or five innings to try to scratch out a run? Nonsense.

Small ball made sense when NL teams played in Cincinnati's Riverfront Stadium, Pittsburgh's Three Rivers Stadium, Houston's cavernous Astrodome, San Francisco's Candlestick Park, Philadelphia's Veterans Stadium and the old Busch Stadium in St. Louis.

Those have all been replaced by parks that favor hitters and home runs. There's no reason for NL teams to play a game no longer suited to their surroundings.

The AL and NL don't have separate offices anymore. They don't have separate umpiring crews with their own rules anymore. And interleague play means they no longer maintain separate schedules.

The NL needs to quit embarrassing itself. The league nearly adopted the DH rule in 1970s when the AL did. It lost by a 6-4 vote when Phillies owner Ruly Carpenter could not be located (he was fishing) and Pirates owner John Galbraith had instructed his representatives to vote the way the Phillies did.

It's time to retire that "Gone Fishin' " sign and join the 21st century.

Think of the trees that can be spared, making all of those useless pitchers' bats.

No, no and no.

AL Baseball stinks. The DH is an abomination of the game. I know the players union would never allow it to happen, but if anything the DH needs to go.

El Mudo
07-03-2008, 09:46 AM
Amen...i HAAATE the DH...it takes all the strategy outta baseball

TheMojoPin
07-03-2008, 10:00 AM
The correct answer is to do away with interleague baseball. It's hack as fuck.

JPMNICK
07-03-2008, 10:01 AM
The correct answer is to do away with interleague baseball. It's hack as fuck.

AGREED

it makes no sense, and takes away from the magic of the world series which is both leagues meeting for the 1st time all season. it ends a lot of debates about which league is better and all that shit.

K.C.
07-03-2008, 10:01 AM
No, no and no.

AL Baseball stinks. The DH is an abomination of the game. I know the players union would never allow it to happen, but if anything the DH needs to go.

Absolutely 100% positively correct.

So much of the strategy of baseball is lost on the AL because of it.

And the NL not having it is another testament to how much Ruly Carpenter was the man back in the '70s and '80s

EddieMoscone
07-03-2008, 10:04 AM
The correct answer is to do away with interleague baseball. It's hack as fuck.

Or bring the AL back to reality and get rid of the DH.

What matters more, Interleague/All Star game or World Series wins?

Starting with 2001 the AL has 4 World Champs and the NL has 3. Pretty even right there.

Freakshow
07-03-2008, 10:05 AM
Let's go back to dead-balls. Woohoo 1864 rules

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TheMojoPin
07-03-2008, 10:06 AM
AGREED

it makes no sense, and takes away from the magic of the world series which is both leagues meeting for the 1st time all season. it ends a lot of debates about which league is better and all that shit.

It's all sample size. It all comes down to which teams are hot or not at the time. The Cubs interleague record this year sucks, but they played all of those games without Soriano and most of them without Zambrano and Johnson. That's a total crapshoot. You have Zambrano and Soriano there for all of that, the Cubs are likely above .500 aganst the AL.

And look at the Royals and their interleague record this season. Does that mean that the Royals are good? No. Does it mean that the NL teams are that bad? No. It means that the Royals were hot for a couple of weeks. It's difficult to stack the leagues up against each other since they only play in extreme sample sizes in the WS or interleague play or the ASG.

TheMojoPin
07-03-2008, 10:06 AM
Let's go back to dead-balls. Woohoo 1864 rules

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Best Conan bit ever.

"That breeze was most cool upon my moustache, hurler!!!"

Kevin
07-03-2008, 10:07 AM
The NL is like an old man not with the time.

Everyone in the world uses DH.

Catch up with the rest of the world NL.

TheMojoPin
07-03-2008, 10:08 AM
The NL is like an old man not with the time.

Everyone in the world uses DH.

Catch up with the rest of the world NL.

Most levels of baseball use the aluminum bat. Should we adopt that, too?

Baseball is 9 players vs. 9 players.

RobotPilgrim
07-03-2008, 10:10 AM
Union would never agree to do away with DH...keeps a bunch of guys employed who are too old to field.

And interleague play is here to stay. They're willing to swallow all the Twins/Brewers type no interest match ups for NY/NY Chicago/Chicago and LA/LA.

TheMojoPin
07-03-2008, 10:12 AM
And interleague play is here to stay. They're willing to swallow all the Twins/Brewers type no interest match ups for NY/NY Chicago/Chicago and LA/LA.

Unfortunately. Interleague is basically an excuse for those 3 matchups, and to get the bumps around the country when the Cubs, Mets, Red Sox or Yankees come to town.

Kevin
07-03-2008, 10:16 AM
Most levels of baseball use the aluminum bat. Should we adopt that, too?

Baseball is 9 players vs. 9 players.

YES!

I want them on roids with aluminum bats.

I WANT THE BALL GOING 700 FEET DAMMIT!

Kevin
07-03-2008, 10:17 AM
Best Conan bit ever.

"That breeze was most cool upon my moustache, hurler!!!"

That was hysterical, Conan is the best..

YOU ASS!

He isn't coming home..

Towelie
07-03-2008, 10:45 AM
I also hate interleague play, especially this natural rivals nonsense.

Last year was great for the Mets when they had to play every single AL Playoff team from the year before

Just look at a guy like Joe Torre. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good leader for a team and a clubhouse, but he couldn't manage his way out of a paper bag.

Just compare his career in the NL to his career in the AL. I wonder if he knows what a double switch is anymore.

underdog
07-03-2008, 01:32 PM
Yeah, the NL is the way to play!

There's nothing more exciting than watching a team intentionally walk the number 8 hitter so they can pitch to an even worse hitter.

The NL sucks. Because of the NL, the fucking whole league is filled with managers like Dusty Baker making players like Adam Dunn try to lay down bunts. Yeah, that's awesome strategy and real fun to watch.

TheMojoPin
07-03-2008, 01:38 PM
The NL sucks. Because of the NL, the fucking whole league is filled with managers like Dusty Baker making players like Adam Dunn try to lay down bunts. Yeah, that's awesome strategy and real fun to watch.

That has nothing to do with a pitcher hitting and everything to do with Dusty being a dipshit who thinks walks are useless. Besides, what's the only thing more useless than an NL manager?

An AL manager.

underdog
07-03-2008, 01:44 PM
That has nothing to do with a pitcher hitting and everything to do with Dusty being a dipshit who thinks walks are useless. Besides, what's the only thing more useless than an NL manager?

An AL manager.

I still blame the NL for creating Dusty Baker.

And yes, AL managers are fucking useless, which is awesome. They just sit on their hands, rather than fuck up the game like NL managers.

But really, all MLB managers are useless. I think they might be the most useless of all of the sports coaches. And can we stop the uniform wearing now, please?

TheMojoPin
07-03-2008, 02:12 PM
I say bring back the player-managers.

Enabler
07-03-2008, 02:21 PM
Im an AL fan. But I do think its ridiculous that pitchers in the AL resemble old ladies when they try to bat or run the bases during interleague play. Cowlishaw should stick to Hockey.

cougarjake13
07-03-2008, 05:45 PM
I say bring back the player-managers.

not sure if you meant it truthfully or in jest but i'd like to see them bring it back


why not have a dh player mgr

cozzie
07-03-2008, 06:48 PM
To me the DH is bullshit , it's like having 10 vs 9 in a baseball game. 2 guys get to sit on their asses, while the other 8 play baseball.

Devo37
07-03-2008, 08:04 PM
the DH is an abomination! AL managers know nothing about offensive strategy.

90 feet at a time, that's how the game is played. anyone who can't appreciate a good bunt is not a baseball fan.

underdog
07-03-2008, 08:21 PM
anyone who can't appreciate a good bunt is not a baseball fan.



I had no idea people liked bunts so much.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x245/a_lexluther/gunt.jpg

TheMojoPin
07-03-2008, 09:18 PM
I had no idea people liked bunts so much.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x245/a_lexluther/gunt.jpg

That's a gunt.

Devo37
07-03-2008, 09:31 PM
I had no idea people liked bunts so much.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x245/a_lexluther/gunt.jpg

left: DH candidate.
right: scrappy NL player that could turn a bunt-single plus a stolen base into a well-earned run on a base hit.