George Bush "idiot or just dumb"

[Dirtybird11]

George Bush is a fucking idiot. yeah, he's kicking ass right now but what i heard him say today made me lose respect in him.
"if you quit doing drugs, you are defeating terrorisim"
so if we keep doing drugs we support terrorisim? enuff with the "beat the terrorist" shit!
not everything has to tie in together george. leave the drugs alone and try to stop innocent people from getting killed. seems more important to me.

we get it...things are magical. - ron

[MightyMatt]

What the hell is wrong with you!!!! George Bush doesn't care if your blowing a bone or two a day!!!! Its the fact that Afganistan was the #1 heroin producer in the world while under Taliban rule! And how many people died so Columbian Cartels could make money off of cocaine!
You idiot the majority of the funds used to make 9/11 happen came from the heroin trade!
And who the hell r u to call him an idiot! The idiots r the people who waste their lives trying to get a fix or there next 8-ball.
I'm not gonna lecture somebody on how to live there life, cause I know I've made a few mistakes but your the idiot and if your not down with this war there is a plce called Canada you can go move there!

AND THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT
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[Dirtybird11]

hey dick, i never said i was against the war. I am against that hypocrite George Bush, (admited to doing coke) who sits in a fucking school
preaching about how drug use helps support terrorism..
dick cheny is doing the real work, while bush (like a first lady) is sitting in schools dropping lip service.
he doesnt have to tie terrorism into every single issue. I am sick of everyone kissing George bush's ass. its an easy way out. just blame terrorist. fuck him and fuck u if u dont like how i feel. open your mind a little bit. oh thats right u cant, cuz your head is to far up bush's ass. good place for it shithead-
and as for 9/11 and heroin:
if we're looking to blame other people than the terrorists, then lets start with american airport security, wich has been a fucking joke and laughing stock around the world for years. The only good thing to come out of this, is we may fire these lazy fuckers at airports and beef up secuirty wich MAY prevent this shit from happening again. what a dick

we get it...things are magical. - ron

[Dirtybird11]

most of the money to make 9/11 happen came from the heroin trade???
yeah, how would those assholes be able to afford plane tickets and plastic knives without the heroine trade. when it comes down to it, all they really needed was plane tickets and plastic knives and some flight lessons. quit giving these fuckers more credit then they deserve, it didnt take alot of money to cause 911.
but i understand if u love george. he's just getting lazy now. HE'S BEEN RECYCLING THE SAME SPEACH FOR 3 MONTHS NOW... DONT LET THE TERROIST WIN, GO BACK TO YOUR REGULAR LIVES. FLY ON PLANES, whens the last time this moron was on a comercial flight? and didnt he cancel white house tree service? what happend to not letting terror win and getting back to normal?? more of his hypocritical jiberish.
god bless dick cheny. who prefers to do his talking behind closed doors, and isnt TRYING to win fans, but instead win a war. bush is dicks puppet and WE ALL KNOW IT-
and now i'm done with you./

we get it...things are magical. - ron

[IkeaBoy]

A) Bush isn't doing a great job. The 90% approval rating is ridiculous.
B) Of course he'd push his cause since they produce opium and heroin in Afghanistan. However, what also supports the terrorists- OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Every oil purchase is money into the hands of these people but do you see him saying "hey, lessen up on oil usage" or "try to find an alternative fuel source?" No!! Why? The oil companies funded his damned campaign.

The reason people support bush so much is because we want to feel unified but no matter what yousay Bush is still a stupid man. Getting into war did not up his IQ 70 points./

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[TheGameHHH]

Look guys, Bush isn't the smartest president we have ever had, but let's not all lose sight of what's going on right now. He is fearless in the face of terrorism, and I applaud him for his efforts in the past couple of months.

IT'S TIME TO PLAY THE GAME-AHHH!

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[Dirtybird11]

id be fearless to if i had his security 24/7.
thanx ikea, great point.
i will say this. at least we are striking back with force.
wich really has nothing to do with him. all im saying is, lets not use the fight against terrorism as a tool to launch other agendas

we get it...things are magical. - ron

[IkeaBoy]

lets not use the fight against terrorism as a tool to launch other agendasPoliticians will use any crisis to their advantage

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[eggers]

paraphrasing a beat writer:

supply is infinite. because if you destroy one supplier, thousands of others will look to take his place; to supply where he supplied. the only way to defeat the supplier is by eliminating the demand and making supplying unprofitable.

i guess this could deal with many things, including drugs and terrorism.

anyway laters

oh, i'm completing MURDER AT THE SUPER BOWL on my own. i'll let whoever cares know when im finished.

:)

... and as of yesterday, i'm technically no longer a virgin!

[eggers]

ikeaboy, they have already used this crisis to launch other agendas.

other agendas:
a) elimination of bill of rights
b) creation of police state
c) sabotage personal freedom and american spirit

anyways laters eggers

:)

... and as of yesterday, i'm technically no longer a virgin!

[eggers]

ok, now im serious, what we can do, and i'll take this idea from fight club again: A SIT DOWN

we will not work. we will not perform. we will not function. we will not even f***ing talk until certain conditions are met.

my condition (everyone can add their own condition):

election reform asap - eliminate corporate influence in washington

anyways laters eggers

... and as of yesterday, i'm technically no longer a virgin!

[Se7en]

Well, despite all else, I like Bush. If I had to have a choice, I'd rather have the crazy warmonger Republican in office than a Democrat who may or may not have approached this conflict with the same zeal, but probably without as much fury and violence.

But Perry's got a point. Bush is gonna come across as pretty hypocritical telling everyone to lay off drugs when he himself has been no stranger to addiction.

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[ToK-SiK555TDK]

I have dispised bush long before he was pressy. the man is a f%cking idiot. i hope he dies a slow and painful death.

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[spoon]

I think Ikea and Perry have some great points. I hate when people say he's doing such an awesome job....
When we are so dam politically correct in everything we do, it gets so fucking annoying. Like changing the name of the mission bc it offended muslims, the vernacular used like "the evil doers"...OHHHHH! It's no wonder people laugh at us anymore, they know they can play the pc card at any time, and hell, our own people hide behind it when there is no real tie in.


Cya.

[IkeaBoy]

But Perry's got a point. Bush is gonna come across as pretty hypocritical telling everyone to lay off drugs when he himself has been no stranger to addiction.I will say this though, it is not uncommon for people who have battled addiction and have won to talk about the horrors of addiction and why not to do drugs.

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[brodieman]

this is a tough one, because we all remember how he was before sept 11th, it's not like he grew a brain since then, but he is totally kicking ass lately so you still gotta love the guy, hell i can't say anything eally, i voted nader :P

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[MightyMatt]

First of all Bush is doing an excellant job pushing his FOREIGN agenda which is a situation that was created by his potsmokin'. BJ gettin', I just want to get my face in the paper son of a bitch Bill Clinton who's lacadasicle treatment towards his job, US Military, Intelligence and the rest of the worl got us into this whole entire mess.
Bush has done nothing but destroyed the heads of Al QUeda, put Middle Eastern countries in their place like those fucks in Saudi Arabia (Russian oil folks will be a number one importer fuck off Saudi's, and hey wouldn't Afganistan make a great plcae to put a pipeline into a Pakistani port...mmmoney) and will bring stability to central Asia.
He's already made sure that those snooty Europeans know that if u cath a terrorist, your sendin there asses here so we can try them and if we want to we're gonna kill them. And yeah we may be the front lines on this war, its the Europeans that are gonna clean the mess up.
As for drugs like I said SMOKIN" A DUBE IS COOL!!! but if your a DOPEHEAD OR A COKEHEAD your just fuckin up yourself and the rest of society and that ain't cool. Yeah George Bush probably was a Cokehead, but you know what he's not anymore. And considering the fact, and the man was a fuck-up the whole begining of his life, he's come a pretty long way. If anything I look up to him for that b/c I know if that idiot can kick his demons and can be president then I can be something too!!!
And as far as going on with our lives, he's right its a friggan war, what do u want to happen, some terrorist to walk through the Oval Office during a White House tour with Small Pox or a bomb! WHat the hell's wrong with you!
It's called a NEW NORMAL, much the same as we went through during WWI,WWII, and the Cold War.
I can rememebr during the Cold WAr doing Nuclear War drills in class (felt really safe curled in a ball under my desk as if a desk were gonna save me from a nuke!!!). It was considered normal, or a new normal. Thats what he means, go on with life as you would but be a little more diligant and a little more careful!
Unfortunatly there gonna get us again, maybe not here in NYC, or even in this side of the Atlantic b/c Europe is pretty porious and easy to travel about in, but Bush wants us to be ready!
And it took a half a million dollars to make it all happen, there is a lot more to it then just a plane ticket and a few flight lessons. If you read up on it maybe you'd see that.

AND THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT
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[spoon]

Like Joe poo stated, and I'll bet H.King can back it up Matt, some people just can't say no and are predisposed to addiction due to addictive personalities and hell, just can't find happiness in everyday life. Do you hate Ron or B. Staples? Ron has dropped many clues he had some troubles with unknown evils (to us) and look how he tried to help Stapes due to his experience. To quote Ron, "But that doesn't make you a bad person." This (my) view comes from someone who never even smoked pot. As for you or I becoming president in this nation....Yes there is a better chance here then in most countries, however if you haven't noticed there is mock royalty within our own borders worse than England. Bush is a regular guy who like his brothers got there shots only bc of Daddy and his oil $ and prior presidency. Hell, Junior even failed with the Rangers and the oil ventures that his dad handed over to him. It may sound like I'm against him totally but I'm not. The U.S. should have term limits in every public office in order to capture a great/true cross-section of the population. This means grocery store baggers, former cops and farmers for a piece of their lives if they choose and win. Jesse in MN is a great change, but would HE be there if he had no fame...? Probably not. The true hero in all this are our boys truly risking everything and the point about Bush promoting normal life and then cancelling the White House tree lighting as well as the fact he probably never boarded a comercial flight. If Al Dukes was in the office right now we should support the armed forces and the mission, however it doesn't mean we should back everything he does and sign every bill he puts up. Who doesn't think we should have (after more than three months) made major changes to airport security? It's a joke, but that would mean placing blame and work loads on big business. And we all know that GWjr. won't push his backers. All hail Prince GWjr. and his royal family of nationwide politicians. Not the way.

Cya.

This message was edited by spoon on 12-15-01 @ 6:41 PM

[skullcrush]

First of all Bush is doing an excellant job pushing his FOREIGN agenda which is a situation that was created by his potsmokin'. BJ gettin', I just want to get my face in the paper son of a bitch Bill Clinton who's lacadasicle treatment towards his job, US Military, Intelligence and the rest of the worl got us into this whole entire mess.

dont you think that whole "land thing" after world war two had anything at all to do with this mess?

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[spoon]

I don't fully get your point skullcrush...

Cya.

[IkeaBoy]

First of all Bush is doing an excellant job pushing his FOREIGN agenda which is a situation that was created by his potsmokin'. BJ gettin', I just want to get my face in the paper son of a bitch Bill Clinton who's lacadasicle treatment towards his job, US Military, Intelligence and the rest of the worl got us into this whole entire mess. This problem has been around long before Clinton. Blaming Bill for this is futile and useless.Bush has done nothing but destroyed the heads of Al QUeda, put Middle Eastern countries in their place like those fucks in Saudi Arabia and will bring stability to central Asia. I'll believe it when I see it and do you think that he would have done all this if they didn't bring us directly into this?He's already made sure that those snooty Europeans know...its the Europeans that are gonna clean the mess up. What?
but if your a DOPEHEAD OR A COKEHEAD your just fuckin up yourself and the rest of society You're hurting yourself, your family and maybe your friends...not society as a whole.and the man was a fuck-up the whole begining of his life, he's come a pretty long way. If anything I look up to him for that b/c I know if that idiot can kick his demons and can be president then I can be something too!!! Well as long as your father was president and your brother is governor of a swing state and your a millionare you could could too.


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[spoon]

Ikea stated my point exactly after his last quote! Great job bro. How do you do those quotes? Seriously new comp guy here...help out a tool and let me know this and how to get a sig pic too?

Cya.

[Se7en]

I will say this though, it is not uncommon for people who have battled addiction and have won to talk about the horrors of addiction and why not to do drugs.That is true, and an excellent point. I guess it's just Bush's luck that not many really find his story of sobriety to be that...uh, inspiring, for lack of a better adjective. (I was tempted to throw in "believable", but decided otherwise.)

You're hurting yourself, your family and maybe your friends...not society as a whole.
Well, that's not entirely true. There's a sociological argument to make that those who are addicted hurt ALL members of the society. Just one example of how they hurt everyone is that, in some way, we all pay for their addiction, most usually through taxes that fund state / federal treatment programs. Not to mention the money addicts cause to the health care system. In the larger picture, addicts really do hurt us all, just not nearly as much as themselves or those immediately around them.

As for Bush, I do think he's doing a good job, or at least he's doing the best he can. This is the candidate, mind you, who had the weaker foreign policy. Bush's strength lies in domestic issues. But I think he's done well so far.

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[The Belcher]

drunken post? stoned post? Perhaps you would prefer Algore the Leftist? Clinton the Cockoutofthepantsallthetime? You are way too emotional about a PERSON who made one comment that you don't agree with. Now he's a fucking idiot.... puh-leeeeze. Clinton is to blame for all of what happened... I'm sorry, "Bill" is to blame for all of what happened, yes ALL. WHen he had EIGHT opportunities to get/kill/end Bin Laden's life and network, he opted to blow up an aspirin factory and shoot a hole in an EMPTY Iraqi building at 3am, killing half a dozen janitors--INSTEAD. Clinton is to blame for the situation OUR country is in right now due to his neglect of foreign policy entirely. Go out and buy "The War Against America" by Laurie Mylroie, who was a foreign policy person in the Cockintheinternsmouth administration. You will become educated about "Bill".





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[CovDiesel]

Okay... Let's face it. George Bush is not going to put together a novel like "A Nation of Immigrants" like Kennedy did. He is not going to ever be able to give a speech like FDR did. He probably never will be as well spoken as Ronald Regan was. However, the man is leading our country at the most difficult time in our history barring the civil war.

He was a coke addict... and his stance on not doing drugs is not hypocritical because he is speaking from experience, thus making it more relevant than Nancy Regan's "Just Say No" campaign... bottom line is this...

Bush... is our man... Like him or hate him... He's the one that will lead us into a less terror filled world.

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[spoon]

However, the man is leading our country at the most difficult time in our history barring the civil war.

I disagree with this statement as much as one could. It was perhaps one if not the worst attack on our soil, yet the Cold War and Cuban Missle Crisis was awful. Not to mention the first two WW's. We were not quite as strong as we are now. And let's face it we gen Xer's are really spoiled compared to kids of past generations. I'm sure people who lived through our true economic periods of unstability, The Depression, would disagree with this statement too. It is however a delicate and awful situation yes. And I agree we need to support our troops overseas and Bush, but not blindly. That's why we are the US, and hopefully all this PC shit will fade somewhat. This isn't really a war, it's an assbeating and we hold the stick. The people who technically are the most at risk live in big cities and fly on comercial airplanes. And who knows what next? But I'll tell you what I'm not going to do is sit around afraid or wait for safer times. If something happens that involves me I just hope I can act as bravely as the cool ass peeps on the plane that went down in PA. So many heroic acts in such a small interval of time. This board really sparks great convos! J

Cya.



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[MightyMatt]

I'd first like to apoligize to Perrynoid if I was abrasive at all and touche to Ikeaboy... Anyhoo I guess the point that I'm trying to make is that this is our turn as a generation and as a people to clean up our act and to start focusing. It doesn't matter who u want to blame, but if the President says your helping the bad guys by being a druggy, don't u think we should think about it with an open mind, not that whole "I learned it from you Dad" attitude?
I've lost p[lenty of friends and aquaintences do to drug abuse. I have friends who I think are the greatest people on the face of the earth, but I can't hang out with them because I can't watch them snort or shoot their way to no where.
Its time for people to stop compaqring themselves and using other people as there excuse, like who is GW to tell me not to get fucked up b/c he used to. It is time for us all to look in the mirror and see what we can do to make this Country great again, and if u want to knock me b/c I used the word "AGAIN", go nuts, b/c it was our grandparents who made this country #1, while our parents began the process of tearing it apart.
We as a generation have a decision to make r we going to unite behind Bush, or argue and make excuses....

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[spoon]

My answer to Matt's last question is No. No I will not blindly, fully back a man who I disagree with more than half of his policy. This doesn't mean I won't back our country and GW in this war. It just happens to be one his moves I agree with, just not his over pc shit. To back your point somewhat, I wouldn't post a thread with a title like this one. He is our president and I do respect that.

Cya.

[Se7en]

b/c it was our grandparents who made this country #1, while our parents began the process of tearing it apart.I'll catch flak for this, but I agree with that.

Outside of the civil rights movement, I pretty much have NO RESPECT AT ALL for the entire baby boomer generation. I'm disgusted with most of their culture, actually.

Sorry, this is more of a passive aggressive thing against my parents more than anything else.

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[Dirtybird11]

sorry i dont remember posting this- i kinda like the ole fella

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[nellie]

i think that he's a little bit of both.

i am the inner child..... quiet, sensitive, and shy

[MightyMatt]

Thomasw Jefferson has some sort of quote for all this, and I don't think this is it, but we do agree to disagree, and that why the USA rules

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[MightyMatt]

who knew Bush was worth 32 posts

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[NewYorkDragons80]

Unless you grow it yourself, yes. Terrorists for the most part are the suppliers of drugs.

Perry, move to Canada with your g/f if you hate our leader so much.

I was in Toronto this summer and I saw these 2 stoners on TV praising Canada for legalizing medical marijuana. One of the funniest things Canadian since Phil Hartman.

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