Lost: Season 5

[NewYorkDragons80]

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[disneyspy]

KC -can you make 3 clips of ben gettin beat up? sayids in swan,jack after he thought jin,sayid and roses hubby were shot and desmonds.then we can judge who beat him up better

[NewYorkDragons80]

you just wanted to post that video,didnt ya? i like KCs clips but that wasnt even in the top 10 of deaths,echo and smoke monster is my number 1

That's up there, but Charlie's death wins it out for me.

Also as a viewer, Desmond beating Ben was emotionally thrilling and therefore the best IMO. Seeing Desmond kick Ben's ass, I can relate to moviegoers in the early days of cinema who felt compelled to hiss at the villain and cheer for the hero.

[fezident]

Hello? Nikki and Paulo?

Man, did I love that arc!

For my money, that was when the show was reeeally starting to become satisfying. It was a really interesting way for the writers to demonstrate the whole now-let's-see-this-scene-from-another-perspective aspect of the show.
I sincerely thought that we were gonna go down a road like that every week.

The show has, obviously, steered away from that aspect but... at the time, I thought "ahhh... now I get it.... LOST is THE TWILIGHT ZONE for this generation."

Great arc.

[disneyspy]

watchin season 4 today i realized kate better not go back to california cuz not only did she break her probation by leavin the state she also left the millenium

[PD]

no Miles talk?
it seems like there is a lot that we need to find out about Miles, and we will, in the next few eps.

[TooLowBrow]

no Miles talk?
it seems like there is a lot that we need to find out about Miles, and we will, in the next few eps.

he can hear the dead and he was hired by widmores people

but personally i think hes there for some other reason. hes probably there for himself...


im looking forward to the star wars references in the new episode

[WampusCrandle]

i finally saw the last episode - holy shit, so good. i have never felt for Ben like this before. and what is up with the plane survivors - are they part of Widmore?

[ChrisTheCop]

Faraday says this will be posted tomorrow:

i finally read the posts here about the last episode - holy shit, so good. i agree --have never felt for Ben like this before. and I'm with ya on what is up with the plane survivors -they indeed may be part of Widmore? P.S. KC youre the greatest!!

[WampusCrandle]

Faraday says this will be posted tomorrow:

Faraday said that?!?! awesome!

[Rube]

So excited to watch Lost tonight. \

Is tonight going to be a Hurley show?

[Furtherman]

So excited to watch Lost tonight. \

Is tonight going to be a Hurley show?

It looks to be a Miles episode.

[Rube]

It looks to be a Miles episode.Right on, Miles is cool.

He talks to the dead.

Maybe we'll get some answers tonight about things we didn't know we needed answers to.

[TooLowBrow]

It looks to be a Miles episode.

it looks like a miles ep. but the title makes me think its a hurley ep.

[Rube]

it looks like a miles ep. but the title makes me think its a hurley ep.

What's the title?


Need the info here.

[PD]

What's the title?


Need the info here.

Some Like it Hoth

here is the official description
(not really a spoiler, but I'll put it in tags anyway)
Suspicions about a possible breach intensify after Ben is taken from the infirmary, and a reluctant Miles is forced to work with Hurley.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20250233_20272495,00.html?iid=top25-%27Lost%27%3A+%27Hoth%27+stuff!

[K.C.]

Pop Quiz:

Best Episode of the Series?

I'm going Through The Looking Glass (Season 3 finale). It's such a gorgeous episode, really almost movie quality.

[WampusCrandle]

a miles centric episode - very excited!

[Foster]

Mile's mom is a horrible actress

[WampusCrandle]

i'm assuming that Miles' dad is the asian dude from the dharma video

[Cvag]

Chang is Miles dad.

[WampusCrandle]

didn't think i would ever see sexy Naomi again

[WampusCrandle]

"Dude, that guy is a total douche." - I love Hurley!

[PD]

i'm assuming that Miles' dad is the asian dude from the dharma video

Chang is Miles dad.

yup.
the guy from EW (Doc Jensen) nailed that a while ago.
nice.

[PD]

Pop Quiz:

Best Episode of the Series?

I'm going Through The Looking Glass (Season 3 finale). It's such a gorgeous episode, really almost movie quality.

I can agree.
and such a strong ending.

[Cvag]

How do they get all the construction vehicles and materials, fuel, etc.
to the island ?

[WampusCrandle]

i gotta assume when the first migration to the island by the Dharma Initiative they brought all that stuff.

[Cvag]

where do they get the concrete to build their buildings ?

[Foster]

where do they get the concrete to build their buildings ?

maybe there's a Home Depot or a Lowes on the island

[PD]

"Dude, that guy is a total douche." - I love Hurley!
On the podcast, they said that often they use Hurley as the "voice of the fan"
I love how he asked Miles "so your dad is the guys from all those movies"
"wasn't he called Marvin Candle then"

great.

not to mention the small talk - "so your son is named miles".

I wonder if someone screen capped the blackboard when Jack was in there- before he erased it, it was all the Egyptian hieroglyphics

[IamFogHat]

BTW, have of 3.2 million is 1.6 million. Those fuckin' writers sure are clever in advance sometimes.

[WampusCrandle]

i would like to see Hurley's version of Star Wars

[WampusCrandle]

i was wondering where the hell Faraday was

[IamFogHat]

I wonder if someone screen capped the blackboard when Jack was in there- before he erased it, it was all the Egyptian hieroglyphics

It's Lost, the show whose fans may as well have invented the screen cap.

BTW I was hoping Dan's line at the end would've been "I'm here to rescue you" as a nice tie in/homage/reference with the Star Wars heavy night.

[PD]

BTW, have of 3.2 million is 1.6 million. Those fuckin' writers sure are clever in advance sometimes.

and "the other side" (Ben's) was told by miles that it would cost 3.2 million for him not to go.

[K.C.]

Decent episode. Nice to get a little back story on Miles.

I'm convinced that Ilana and Bram represent some third party interest in the island that is neither Widmore nor Ben.

Could be very cool, or very stupid.

Thank god Faraday is back, that'll kick the story into high gear.

[PD]

It's Lost, the show whose fans may as well have invented the screen cap.

BTW I was hoping Dan's line at the end would've been "I'm here to rescue you" as a nice tie in/homage/reference with the Star Wars heavy night.

it would have been nice, but now it's more ominous - with wondering what Faraday was doing with Ann Arbour.

[IamFogHat]

and "the other side" (Ben's) was told by miles that it would cost 3.2 million for him not to go.

Yes, well, that's why I brought it up, contrary to popular belief that I love math. Us Lost fans are dorks.

[NewYorkDragons80]

I think Desmond's time travel ability has something to do with his time at the monastery. Could it be the wine the monks were producing? The only character ever seen drinking it is Desmond. The only other time anyone's been known to possess it is Penny's unwittingly(?) transporting it for her father.

[Friday]

i would like to see Hurley's version of Star Wars

haha me too!

<3 hurley the mostest!

[CountryBob]

I noticed that when Kate and Ben's father were having a beer on the swingset - she opens her beer and it dosent have the pulltab like it is supposed to. This took me out of the show immediately. That never happens - maybe I have conditioned my mind to watch closely every second of the show for clues. Interesting, i thought the producers would have caught that.

[Doctor Manhattan]

BTW, have of 3.2 million is 1.6 million. Those fuckin' writers sure are clever in advance sometimes.

But is there any significance to 1.6 Million other than being half the amount mentioned in season 4?

Thinking back to Season 4, I am still a little bummed that Locke really didn't get a chance to actually lead "The Others." Ben went to turn the wheel, Locke found The Others and was just starting to talk with Richard when Ben's turning of the wheel sent Locke away from The Others.

Which leads me to this: The Others did not move through time and as a result were not sent back to 1974-1977 with Sawyer, Jin and company. Were there any people with The Others who, like Juliet, are not native but were part of The Others? Did they get sent back as well?

I think Desmond's time travel ability has something to do with his time at the monastery. Could it be the wine the monks were producing? The only character ever seen drinking it is Desmond. The only other time anyone's been known to possess it is Penny's unwittingly(?) transporting it for her father.

I thought it was his exposure to the electromagnetic discharge after turning the fail-safe key in the Swan that caused it, the sky turned purple which looked like the light Faraday was using on Eloise (the rat) in "The Constant" and the rat traveled through time in the same way Desmond did.

[ChrisTheCop]

Which leads me to this: The Others did not move through time and as a result were not sent back to 1974-1977 with Sawyer, Jin and company. Were there any people with The Others who, like Juliet, are not native but were part of The Others? Did they get sent back as well?



interesting. Like the stewardess? And the children and other passengers of 815 taken to the Others camp... Perhaps they undergo some kind of conditioning that bonds them together? Like, once you're "of the island" youre not affected by its properties?? Or maybe, the island has no use for them in 77, so they just didnt go, and will be seen in 2008. Youre right. There's a handful of people unaccounted for... not to mention Rose and Bernard... I guess we'll find em all somewhere.

I'd also like to see the ep where Tom Friendly's Gay Carnival cruise shipwrecks on the island.

[IamPixie]

I'm surprised no one has brought up the absurdity of Sawyer knocking that creepy guy from Mulholland Drive out. There's no way he can talk his way out of that.

I was pleased to learn more about Miles. but Daniel is back in 1977? This is getting a little far fetched even for me.

[Pestz4Evah]

Wasn't Daniel in the 70's with Miles, Sawyer, Juliet, etc. when the island stopped time skipping?

[IamPixie]

Wasn't Daniel in the 70's with Miles, Sawyer, Juliet, etc. when the island stopped time skipping?

yea, but where did he go and how did he end up as a scientist on the Dharma sub?

[instrument]

Well I was right about miles, which seemed obvious.. But what's so far fetched about farraday being back?

Haven't you assumed from the start the he would be the cause of "the incident" which I'm sure will be an attempt to get everyone on the right timeline.


I wonder if the orchid is ever fully built or if its upper parts are destroyed leaving the lower areas fine?

I don't like these do you know what's buried people, seems like they may be leading the show towards the shark....

[Chimee]

Didn't when they first ended up in 1977 the Dharma people tried to send them all back on the sub? Maybe as they all got their jobs, Daniel's was part of the sub crew or maybe he just decided to go back to the mainland only to end up coming back to the island.

[TooLowBrow]

roger drinking beers on the children's playset in broad daylight
:lol::drunk::lol:

[IamPixie]

Well I was right about miles, which seemed obvious.. But what's so far fetched about farraday being back?

Haven't you assumed from the start the he would be the cause of "the incident" which I'm sure will be an attempt to get everyone on the right timeline.


I've seen every episode of this season and I still don't remember hearing anything about this "incident"

[disneyspy]

I've seen every episode of this season and I still don't remember hearing anything about this "incident"

it was in the first season on the trainin tape that was in the swan station,its why they pushed the button every 108 minutes

[TooLowBrow]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/0/07/5x13_Share_a_beer.png
roger could be played by
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eat-the-press/Opie%20and%20Anthony-thumb.jpg

[IamPixie]

it was in the first season on the trainin tape that was in the swan station,its why they pushed the button every 108 minutes

oohhhhh.

[disneyspy]

oohhhhh.

my bad it was season 2

[IamPixie]

my bad it was season 2

I still get what you're saying. Lost fan since day 1

[K.C.]

I've seen every episode of this season and I still don't remember hearing anything about this "incident"

Here you go Pixie

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[Doogie]

Pop Quiz:

Best Episode of the Series?

I'm going Through The Looking Glass (Season 3 finale). It's such a gorgeous episode, really almost movie quality.

I have two to contest that theory. One is season 2, ep 22 ( back when they did 25 in a season) and it was an Eko heavy episode and how he "needed to help Locke find his way."

The other is Season 4, Ep 12 and the last few moments where we see the others walking with a captured Kate and Sayid. Sun walking out with Aaron on the boat. Jack and Sawyer trying to catch up to Kate. And the pentultimate of all, Ben giving himself up to the mercs. There is a musical accompanimient with it too that is beyond fantastic that makes me swell in tears of how beautiful and majestic it is. And I cant copy it on piano either, as much as I try...It is juts pure beauty in my opinion, and the best part of the whole series.

[TooLowBrow]

whatever happened to the real henry gale?

[Doogie]

whatever happened to the real henry gale?

He was Al Roker...or at least that is what some of us hope who Henry Gale was.

[JBLouisville]

Im not a big Star Wars fan, never cared for it. With that being said, this was the definition of a filler show. Many people are putting it up very highly, just because of the Star Wars angle. Blah. Granted, if anything Doctor Who would of been brought up, It would of been Greatest Lost Ever!

We learned of a Third Faction, surely the new DI.

Maybe KC can link two VERY IMPORTANT VIDEOS, that I think are vital to this series.

Comicon 2007 and 2008 videos, they explain alot of about what is to happen.

Everyone is excited about the reveal Widmore planted the fake plane. I never gave that a second thought, I, for some reason, never believed otherwise.

The numbers on the Hatch was a cool addition. But, werent the numbers on the actual vault and not the hatch.

Nothing really exciting except the "Statue" bunch, and if you watch the Comicon video, you know Chang is going to get the truth soon.

Just a meh from me. Light hearted filler, hard to follow the Incredible Dead is Dead.

[TooLowBrow]

Im not a big Star Wars fan, never cared for it. With that being said, this was the definition of a filler show. Many people are putting it up very highly, just because of the Star Wars angle. Blah. Granted, if anything Doctor Who would of been brought up, It would of been Greatest Lost Ever!

We learned of a Third Faction, surely the new DI.

Maybe KC can link two VERY IMPORTANT VIDEOS, that I think are vital to this series.

Comicon 2007 and 2008 videos, they explain alot of about what is to happen.

Everyone is excited about the reveal Widmore planted the fake plane. I never gave that a second thought, I, for some reason, never believed otherwise.

The numbers on the Hatch was a cool addition. But, werent the numbers on the actual vault and not the hatch.

Nothing really exciting except the "Statue" bunch, and if you watch the Comicon video, you know Chang is going to get the truth soon.

Just a meh from me. Light hearted filler, hard to follow the Incredible Dead is Dead.

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[fezident]

The numbers on the Hatch was a cool addition. But, werent the numbers on the actual vault and not the hatch.

.
The numbers were always on the side of the door on the outside of the hatch.

A few years ago, jussst as Jack was about to blow the hatch open with dyn-o-miiite, Hurley noticed the numbers, gasped, and begged Jack not to blow that hatch because "those numbers are bad luck, dude."
In fact... it was at that moment that Hurley informed Jack of the his familiarity with the numbers... and that he became a multimillionaire by playing those exact numbers... in that exact sequence... in the lottery.... and that he's been experiencing bad luck ever since he first came in contact with those numbers, to include, but not limited to, it being his & the number's "fault" for causing the plane crash that Jack was on.

I remember this moment quite well because Jack did not respond like a normal human being AT ALL.
After that entire Hurley-rant, Jack simple shrugged and said "it's a coincedence" and kept right on with his rigging of the hatch with explosives.

It always bugged me.
It STILL bugs me that so few characters on the island EVER react to amazingness of their situations the way a normal person would react. Never. In fact... not once.

[K.C.]

We learned of a Third Faction, surely the new DI.


See, I'm leaning way in the other direction on them. I think they're some sort of island-cult esque group that was born out of the original island mythology (the Egyptian stuff scattered all around the island), and will shed a lot of light on the original inhabitants of the island.


I get the new DI theory, especially if you watch the comic-con video, but if they were Dharma affiliated, why the hell would Ilana have just let Ben leave freely? Anyone who is DHARMA or Widmore affiliated in the future would HAVE to know who Ben is at this point.


There's a lot of interesting theories going around, though.

One, that I'm going to take credit for, because I haven't seen it anywhere else yet is that maybe that group is going to be a consequence of something one of the Losties does in 1977 that changes in the future.

Another one I like is that one of the Losties currently in the past will lay the foundation for that group to come back to the island (Faraday???) knowing that they'll need the help in the future.

A third, is Jeff Jensen's half-kidding idea he tossed out that they're like the creepy humans in Beneath The Planet Of The Apes that worship the bomb.

[silera]

It always bugged me.
It STILL bugs me that so few characters on the island EVER react to amazingness of their situations the way a normal person would react. Never. In fact... not once.

These assholes have had over 3 months on an island with no tv- and none of them ever can find any time to TALK to each other.

I hate this show. I love this show. I love to hate this show.

I watch at this point just to make sure it ends.

[K.C.]

The numbers were always on the side of the door on the outside of the hatch.

A few years ago, jussst as Jack was about to blow the hatch open with dyn-o-miiite, Hurley noticed the numbers, gasped, and begged Jack not to blow that hatch because "those numbers are bad luck, dude."
In fact... it was at that moment that Hurley informed Jack of the his familiarity with the numbers... and that he became a multimillionaire by playing those exact numbers... in that exact sequence... in the lottery.... and that he's been experiencing bad luck ever since he first came in contact with those numbers, to include, but not limited to, it being his & the number's "fault" for causing the plane crash that Jack was on.

I remember this moment quite well because Jack did not respond like a normal human being AT ALL.
After that entire Hurley-rant, Jack simple shrugged and said "it's a coincedence" and kept right on with his rigging of the hatch with explosives.

It always bugged me.
It STILL bugs me that so few characters on the island EVER react to amazingness of their situations the way a normal person would react. Never. In fact... not once.


I'd suggest watching that sequence again, because you're not remembering it correctly.

Hurley starts the story by saying telling Jack he was in a mental institution and then goes into his story about magic numbers, the lottery, and curses.

And Jack responds by looking at him and saying '...you were in a mental institution?'

That's about as normal a response as you could get. He thought Hurley was crazy, because what he was saying sounded crazy.

[fezident]

Not being combative here but, are you saying that Jack DIDN'T simply shrug his shoulders and say "... coincendence" when Hurley kinda sorta freaked out about the numbers being imprinted on the side of the outer hatch?
Because... that scene really made an impression on me.

I haven't seen that episode since it aired but, like I said... I was immediately and deeply distracted by Jack's complete lack of normalcy in his response to Hurley's outburst. It didn't ring true at all.

I've posted this before but, I feel this way about just about everyone on the island.
I don't know why Locke never once yelled out "HEY EVERYONE, I CAN WALK!! IT'S A MIRACLE!!"

Or why ANY of them never reeeally stated "I MISS MY FUCKING FAMILY! WE HAVE TO GO HOME! HOW CAN WE GET HOME? WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET HOME?! I HAVE KIDS WHO NEED ME!" or whatever.

Or when they hiked for three days to get to the tower to unjam the radio signal, they walk aaaall the way there, arrive, and Locke kills the person who was about to make the rescue call.... .and really nobody freaked the fuck out at the gruesome murder they just witnessed OR THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER BE RESCUED. ( except for Jack)

Or why would Sun keep a secret that she speaks English? I mean really. You survive a harrowing wreck, your deserted on an island with almost no hope, and you're STILL playing this little unecessary charade with your husband??


I had a theory a while ago that everybody on the island was in Hurley's head, and because Hurley is drugged up (in an institution) it affected the responses of his "imaginary friends" and, basically, muted their emotions... which is the purpose of the various drugs they would pump into a mental patient.


I'm anxious to re-watch that hatch scene. I have a vivid memory of Jack's non-emotional response being amazingly downplayed and unrealistic.


EDIT:
K.C... I re-read your post and I didn't want you to think that I didn't understand your point. (you're prob typing a response right now. hope I catch you in time)

Your point is not lost on me. You're saying, because Hugo had already told Jack that he was once in an institution, that it somehow justified Jack's abnormally muted response to what he'd just heard about the numbers and how they've affected Hugo.
While I understand your logic, I still disagree with your point. Because... Jack, is/was a doctor, and a human being. He had many many many interactions with Hugo prior to that conversation, and he never once thought Hugo was crazy. Hugo showed no signs of being insane. And... just because Hugo WAS - at one time- being treated for a mental illness does not mean that his amazing stories about the numbers is untrue. ESPECIALLY with all the crazy shit going on in their world at that time. Monsters, polar bears in the tropics, visions of dead people, etc etc. (and while I'm at it, didn't Walt used to be waaay more important? He was reading a comic about polar bears and one appeared. And I think he even resurrected a dead bird AND HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING!)
For Jack to simply dismiss Hugo after the rant was not something a friend should do, a DOCTOR would do, or basically... a human being would do.
When you compile a list of aaaall the times the survivors under-react to f'ing amazing things, you find yourself with quite a long list.

[K.C.]

Not being combative here but, are you saying that Jack DIDN'T simply shrug his shoulders and say "... coincendence" when Hurley kinda sorta freaked out about the numbers being imprinted on the side of the outer hatch?
Because... that scene really made an impression on me.

If I remember correctly, Hurley tells the story, and then Jack makes the mental institution comment, and then Hurley says he's not crazy, and Jack responds 'I never said you were' or something, and that's the end of it.

He brushes it off, but I think it's solely because he just thought Hurley was acting weird. He gave no credibility to the story. To be fair, Hurley tells Charlie he won the lottery like three or four times throughout the series and every time, Charlie thinks Hurley is lying.


I've posted this before but, I feel this way about just about everyone on the island.
I don't know why Locke never once yelled out "HEY EVERYONE, I CAN WALK!! IT'S A MIRACLE!!"

Remember when he told Caesar and Ilana that he remembered dying and that Ben was 'the man who killed me."

They reacted like he was a nut and Caesar was ready to shoot him.

What would have been the point? No one would have believed him (except Rose, who was the only one who saw and remembered wheelchair Locke).

But he actually did tell both Walt and Boone in Season 1.

I see your point, but I don't think it's a really big character flaw. He's an introverted guy.



Or why ANY of them never reeeally stated "I MISS MY FUCKING FAMILY! WE HAVE TO GO HOME! HOW CAN WE GET HOME? WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET HOME?! I HAVE KIDS WHO NEED ME!" or whatever.

Michael actually flips out on them at one point saying something similar to that in Season 1 when he decides to build the raft.

I think there is a bit of that in a lot of the characters. Juliet with her sister, Sayid with Nadia.

But to be fair, not a lot of them have anything to go back to. Jack, Kate, and Sawyer have no one. Charlie was a heroin junkie. Locke had no family and was a cripple. Shannon had no family, her father was dead and her mother disowned her. Claire's boyfriend left her, and her mother was presumed brain dead...

Ben actually makes this point to Jack at the end of Season 3....'what are you so desperate to get back to?' and then shreds his life in like five sentences.


Or when they hiked for three days to get to the tower to unjam the radio signal, they walk aaaall the way there, arrive, and Locke kills the person who was about to make the rescue call.... .and really nobody freaked the fuck out at the gruesome murder they just witnessed OR THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER BE RESCUED. ( except for Jack)

Agreed on this. And it's really odd when they're all so happy in the Season 4 premier about going home, and Rose, Sun, and Claire are joking, and meanwhile Naomi's in the background, still visible with a knife in her back.


Or why would Sun keep a secret that she speaks English? I mean really. You survive a harrowing wreck, your deserted on an island with almost no hope, and you're STILL playing this little unecessary charade with your husband??

Because it would have then begged the question from her husband of where she learned it, and why. And she learned it from the man she cheated on him with, and because she was leaving him.


Your point is not lost on me. You're saying, because Hugo had already told Jack that he was once in an institution, that it somehow justified Jack's abnormally muted response to what he'd just heard about the numbers and how they've affected Hugo.
While I understand your logic, I still disagree with your point. Because... Jack, is/was a doctor, and a human being. He had many many many interactions with Hugo prior to that conversation, and he never once thought Hugo was crazy. Hugo showed no signs of being insane. And... just because Hugo WAS - at one time- being treated for a mental illness does not mean that his amazing stories about the numbers is untrue. ESPECIALLY with all the crazy shit going on in their world at that time. Monsters, polar bears in the tropics, visions of dead people, etc etc. (and while I'm at it, didn't Walt used to be waaay more important? He was reading a comic about polar bears and one appeared. And I think he even resurrected a dead bird AND HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING!)
For Jack to simply dismiss Hugo after the rant was not something a friend should do, a DOCTOR would do, or basically... a human being would do.
When you compile a list of aaaall the times the survivors under-react to f'ing amazing things, you find yourself with quite a long list.

Jack's anything but normal, though. The guy spent four seasons denying things that were right in front of his eyes.

He literally SAW the island disappear right in front of his eyes and then tried to deny it like two scenes later in that episode.

You're right...his reactions are bizarre. But it's consistent with the character. For him to admit any of the supernatural stuff even exists, let alone react in amazement to it, would be a concession that how he's lived his life (at least up until Season 5), is basically false.

If you watch a few of the Jack/Christian flashbacks again, you really do get the sense that Jack was an arrogant douchebag with a messiah complex.

[TooLowBrow]

my 2 pet peeves with lost

the 815ers never just said, 'hey, we dont want to fight. do you know how we can get off this island?' instead they capture or kill everyone they run into. even if the others were taking tail section people, wouldnt you be like, 'hey take us too! we're all stranded on this beach here.'

and

claire cares for charlie
charlie dies
claire cries in one scene
the next day she is seen laughing with the other losties
i dont think she ever grieved again

[JBLouisville]

The one thing that is really bugging me about LOST is how the bullet hole switched from Young Bens heart to the other side of his body. There is no debating this. It was a cheap ploy for a cliffhanger. For a week everyone was abuzz about the ramifications.

Then, the next episode, the wound changed sides and he forgot bits and pieces of what happened. YECCCHHHH! A cheap and unLOSTlike gimmick.

[NewYorkDragons80]

I thought it was his exposure to the electromagnetic discharge after turning the fail-safe key in the Swan that caused it, the sky turned purple which looked like the light Faraday was using on Eloise (the rat) in "The Constant" and the rat traveled through time in the same way Desmond did.


True, but the monastery must hold some kind of significance for being where Desmond was when he met Penny (where her father sent her, quite probably knowing she would meet Desmond there.)

[disneyspy]

Here you go Pixie

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i think i have to watch that again

[disneyspy]

I'm convinced that Ilana and Bram represent some third party interest in the island that is neither Widmore or Ben.

i agree,and i think i made that point a week or two ago,i called them the ann arbor group,dont tell me im the only one thats seen a stuffed wolverine in every season,im not goin back thru the last 4 seasons of posts to see if you people picked up on that

[Doctor Manhattan]

No new show tonight? I thought the plan was no breaks, just play episodes straight through. That is why they don't start in the fall but now they start their season in Jan/Feb.

This is the second time this season, what's the haps?

[marky2bucks]

No new show tonight? I thought the plan was no breaks, just play episodes straight through. That is why they don't start in the fall but now they start their season in Jan/Feb.

This is the second time this season, what's the haps?

Not new, just a recap show. meh

[WampusCrandle]

damn it - oh well, gives me a reason to catch up on all my work.

[ToiletCrusher]

17 minutes!!!

[Drunky McBetidont]

17 minutes!!!

till a worst of

[WampusCrandle]

17 minutes!!!

until there is nothing new to watch

[K.C.]

I haven't checked it out.

How are they doing it? Is it a narrated clip show?

When I heard they were doing this O6 thing, I thought it would be cool if they just took all the Oceanic 6 off-island scenes and put them in chronological order kind of like the novelization of Godfather and Godfather II they did in the 70s.

[extracheese]

nothing but your run of the mill recap show. Not necessary to see.
But i am watching - and just saw that clip when Kate tells Claires mom "i am going back to find your daughter". If your daughter dissapeared and thought dead, then someone told you that she was not dead, but stranded on an island - which the person was going to...YOUD GRAB YOUR COAT AND SCREAM " LETS GO IM COMING WITH YOU!!

Claires mom just looks at her...scene cuts away.

Why do you think this new group who abducted Miles is a new separate 3rd group? They could easily be working for Dharma or Ben/Jacob/Richard etc.

And what the hell was Faraday doing for the past 3 yrs?

[K.C.]

And what the hell was Faraday doing for the past 3 yrs?

Learning everything DHARMA knows about time travel and the island so he could come back and try and prevent Charlotte's death from ever happening.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Daniel is behind the setting up of the 2007 'shadow of the statue' group.

[IamFogHat]

A-boo for tonight. But I'll take it if they'll fulfill their pledge to finish these last two seasons they way they have.

[marky2bucks]

I think the 3rd group - Ilana/Bram/Cesar is Dharma coming back to the island.

[Drunky McBetidont]

I think the 3rd group - Ilana/Bram/Cesar is Dharma coming back to the island.

i have been thinking that too. dharma is way bigger than charles widmore or ben linus. might be old as the statue and the temple.

[PD]

I think the 3rd group - Ilana/Bram/Cesar is Dharma coming back to the island.

i have been thinking that too. dharma is way bigger than charles widmore or ben linus. might be old as the statue and the temple.

I didn't think this until watching the comic con video.
doesn't chang say that Dharma needs to be re-created to continue the work?

[hammersavage]

Ok, I'm gonna ask a question that probably has a simple answer. I just can't think right now and don't feel like looking it up.


Is Jack's father alive on the island? If he was dead and in the casket like Locke was and he came back, would the same apply to him? I don't know if we know this even.

[led37zep]

Ok, I'm gonna ask a question that probably has a simple answer. I just can't think right now and don't feel like looking it up.


Is Jack's father alive on the island? If he was dead and in the casket like Locke was and he came back, would the same apply to him? I don't know if we know this even.

Dude I stopped watching after season 1 and was going to catch up.

you totally roooooooooooooooooooooooined it.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I haven't checked it out.

How are they doing it? Is it a narrated clip show?

When I heard they were doing this O6 thing, I thought it would be cool if they just took all the Oceanic 6 off-island scenes and put them in chronological order kind of like the novelization of Godfather and Godfather II they did in the 70s.

That would have been cool.

Why did they do a O6 focused clip show? They should have done this just before the O5 returned to the island, now that the show is in 1977 and it's all about Dharma it makes the O6 story line seem so old. I only watched the first bit of it, but it seemed to be an Oceanic Six based clip show. I would have watched the whole thing if it was Damon and Carlton talking about the show (they are busy with the upcoming episodes so it's not surprising)

[meanmrbill]

Dude I stopped watching after season 1 and was going to catch up.

you totally roooooooooooooooooooooooined it.

If you only saw season 1, planned to catch up and didn't want to know what happened why would you view the latest page of a thread all about Season 5???

[Pestz4Evah]

Juliet was on Jimmy Kimmel. She is really good looking.

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[Pestz4Evah]

'Lost' Actor Henry Ian Cusick And ABC Face Sex Harassment Claim (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/25/lost-actor-henry-ian-cusi_n_191349.html)

A woman who claims she was sexually harassed then fired from the TV show "Lost" is suing ABC and actor Henry Ian Cusick.

The lawsuit filed Friday in Los Angeles alleges that Cusick, who plays Desmond Hume on the show, fondled the woman's buttocks and breasts and kissed her on the lips in October 2007. The lawsuit claims she reported the incident to her supervisor, but was simply told to avoid the actor. She states she was fired 12 days later in retaliation for reporting the alleged abuse.

The filing says the woman had worked for ABC since 1997.

The lawsuit does not specify how much she is seeking. Messages left for an ABC spokesman and Cusick's manager were not immediately returned.

[WampusCrandle]

you think that chick would just be happy - "holy shit, desmond wants me - fuck Penny, i'm in!"

[hydee]

'Lost' Actor Henry Ian Cusick And ABC Face Sex Harassment Claim (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/25/lost-actor-henry-ian-cusi_n_191349.html)

I just have to say that this might be the end of Henry. I mean this is a million times worse then Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Michele Watros getting busted for DUI.

So I am wondering if he is gone, will Lost just kill him off since Ben did shoot him?

[Fallon]

Juliet was on Jimmy Kimmel. She is really good looking.
She was so hot in Gia.

:wub:

[Doctor Manhattan]

I noticed that when Kate and Ben's father were having a beer on the swingset - she opens her beer and it dosent have the pulltab like it is supposed to. This took me out of the show immediately. That never happens - maybe I have conditioned my mind to watch closely every second of the show for clues. Interesting, i thought the producers would have caught that.

Damon and Carlton addressed this issue in their latest podcast, they did not admit it was a mistake but instead said Dharma invented the "pop top" which helped fund their research. They also mentioned there may be a Dharma station called "The Can" which researches different ways to open cans and that Zombies like to drink Beer; so we will see this in Season 7 (The Zombie Season). In real life it's just a mistake which is weird because I'm sure a lot of the crew would have remembered the pulltab.

Anyone hear Dr. Kaku on O&A talk about Lost? He is pretty sure that a meteorite made of Anti-Matter landed on the island and that is what is creating all the phenomenon that occurs on the island. When he first mentioned it he said it as if it's just a fact of the show and not that it's a theory at this point, but then went on to say that is what seems to make sense given what we know, especially with Ms. Hawking's description of the nature of the island and how is moves thorugh time and space.

[WampusCrandle]

Anyone hear Dr. Kaku on O&A talk about Lost? He is pretty sure that a meteorite made of Anti-Matter landed on the island and that is what is creating all the phenomenon that occurs on the island. When he first mentioned it he said it as if it's just a fact of the show and not that it's a theory at this point, but then went on to say that is what seems to make sense given what we know, especially with Ms. Hawking's description of the nature of the island and how is moves thorugh time and space.

i heard that, and then i got nervous that what he said was the answer to the entire show.

[JBLouisville]

Obama has a press conference at 8pm Wednesday!

Better not mess up the 100th episode!!!

[TooLowBrow]

Obama has a press conference at 8pm Wednesday!

Better not mess up the 100th episode!!!

thats why they shouldve put the new ep. last week and the rerun this week

[Doctor Manhattan]

Better not mess up the 100th episode!!!

Technically it's the 100th hour. The pilot and the season finales have all been 2 hours long but now air as separate episodes (Seasons 1 and 4 actually have 3 hour finales that aired over 2 weeks)

I started to count the episodes to figure out what episode The Variable would actually be. Now I understand why they are just counting the hours. I think I will need Dr. Kaku to figure this out.

[instrument]

i dont understand how such a creative show has such uninspired re-cap shows.

hell this show didn't even re-cap the entire season.

[Doctor Manhattan]

On the Dharma jumpsuits they seem to all have the person's first name and job title sewn under the Dharma Logo patch; Roger Workman, Miles Security, Juliet Motor Pool, Horace Mathematician, etc. All except Sawyer who has his fake last name LaFleur as his name.

I know it's much better to have that than "Jim" Edit: I think Radzinsky has his last name on his jumpsuit as well, again it's better than "Stuart"

it just hit me while taking a look at the official jumpsuits they sell: http://abctvstore.seenon.com/detail.php?p=72872 I was thinking of getting one for Halloween but I'm a bit worried about the sizing, I would go for XL in a T-shirt without being able to hold it up and take a look at the size but a jumpsuit should come in more than just s/m/l/xl/xxl

[instrument]

On the Dharma jumpsuits they seem to all have the person's first name and job title sewn under the Dharma Logo patch; Roger Workman, Miles Security, Juliet Motor Pool, Horace Mathematician, etc. All except Sawyer who has his fake last name LaFleur as his name.

I know it's much better to have that than "Jim" but it just hit me while taking a look at the official jumpsuits they sell: http://abctvstore.seenon.com/detail.php?p=72872 I was thinking of getting one for Halloween but I'm a bit worried about the sizing, I would go for XL in a T-shirt without being able to hold it up and take a look at the size but a jumpsuit should come in more than just s/m/l/xl/xxl

wow, i was waiting for a crazy why his last name was on his jumpsuit theory.......but you're seriously complaining about jumpsuit sizes.....

lol

i can't wait for pics.

[Doctor Manhattan]

wow, i was waiting for a crazy why his last name was on his jumpsuit theory.......but you're seriously complaining about jumpsuit sizes.....

lol

i can't wait for pics.

I am sure there are theories to why Sawyer and Radzinsky get to use their last names but I cannot think of a dramatic reason for this.

I did a Google image search for Dharma Jumpsuit and I think I will not be getting one, so no pics for you!


I am rewatching last week's episode. Miles' face piercings are really stupid looking, worse than Jack's "Fast Forward beard".

[mikeyboy]

I am sure there are theories to why Sawyer and Radzinsky get to use their last names but I cannot think of a dramatic reason for this.



Maybe people simply get the name on their jumpsuit that people call them. Juliette, Horace and Miles get called by their first names, so that's what is on their jumpsuit. Radzinsky and Sawyer get called Radzinsky and LeFleur respectively, so that's what's on their jumpsuits.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Maybe people simply get the name on their jumpsuit that people call them. Juliette, Horace and Miles get called by their first names, so that's what is on their jumpsuit. Radzinsky and Sawyer get called Radzinsky and LeFleur respectively, so that's what's on their jumpsuits.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5148/800px5x13warninghurley.jpg
Then shouldn't his read "Douche"?

[mikeyboy]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5148/800px5x13warninghurley.jpg
Then shouldn't his read "Douche"?

"That douche is my dad"

http://weblogs.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/blog/leung.jpg

[Doctor Manhattan]

I noticed that he did not have his name or title on his jumpsuit or lab coat (he wore both in Some Like it Hoth) It was blank in Because You Left but I haven't check any of the Dharma orientation films to see what it said.

I guess they couldn't decide if it should read Pierre, Chang, Marvin, Candle, Mark, Wickmund, Edgar or Halliwax. But he did have a parka that read Halliwax.

[ChrisTheCop]

Wow. Last week really did a number on us.
We're talking about name tags and their possible meanings?! lol.

It'll all be better in 8 hours.....

[TooLowBrow]

does
http://www.asiaarts.ucla.edu/media/images/kenleung3_top.jpg
become
http://lostspoilers.extra.hu/kepek/changs4a.jpg
in the future (lost island's past)

i called it on feb 5th

[ChrisTheCop]

i called it on feb 5th

I'll call it bs on April 29th.

[mikeyboy]

As some people know from the other Lost thread, I'm new to Lost and got caught up very quickly by watching all episodes leading up to now over the past several weeks. Because I was going through so quickly, I know I will find that I didn't pick up on some details along the way. One thing I did miss is what happened to Rose and her husband. Did they ever show what happened to them? Were they on the boat headed to the freighter and died when it blew up? Did they get nailed with the flaming arrows? Have they just not said what happened to them?

[ChrisTheCop]

As some people know from the other Lost thread, I'm new to Lost and got caught up very quickly by watching all episodes leading up to now over the past several weeks. Because I was going through so quickly, I know I will find that I didn't pick up on some details along the way. One thing I did miss is what happened to Rose and her husband. Did they ever show what happened to them? Were they on the boat headed to the freighter and died when it blew up? Did they get nailed with the flaming arrows? Have they just not said what happened to them?

Last we saw them I think was on the beach just as the flashes started to happen.
They had been separated, but found eachother, only to find the camp gone.
We have not seen them again... but I think I read somewhere in this thread that the producers have said theyll be back.

[IMSlacker]

As some people know from the other Lost thread, I'm new to Lost and got caught up very quickly by watching all episodes leading up to now over the past several weeks. Because I was going through so quickly, I know I will find that I didn't pick up on some details along the way. One thing I did miss is what happened to Rose and her husband. Did they ever show what happened to them? Were they on the boat headed to the freighter and died when it blew up? Did they get nailed with the flaming arrows? Have they just not said what happened to them?

I've been wondering the same thing. I think they just haven't said what happened to them. I've just been assuming they got killed by flaming arrows though.

[ChrisTheCop]

I've been wondering the same thing. I think they just haven't said what happened to them. I've just been assuming they got killed by flaming arrows though.

I'm pretty sure theyd have mentioned it... instead of just making fun of Frogurt.

If theyre in 77, theyre with richard. But it's a big island that has yet to be explored by the mercs in 2007... so maybe Rose, Bernard, the flight attendant and all the kids from OA815 will show up there.

[PD]

Last we saw them I think was on the beach just as the flashes started to happen.
They had been separated, but found eachother, only to find the camp gone.
We have not seen them again... but I think I read somewhere in this thread that the producers have said theyll be back.

yes.
I don't know if you know about it mikeyboy, but the producers do a good podcast- most of which is humorous (like saying that the 7th season will be the Zombie season), but some facts-
they mentioned in a previous one that we will see Rose and Bernard again.

I guess they showed a bit of the episode to reporters; newsday gave this an A+ ep
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/ny-lost100thepisode,0,2547066.story

and in the podcast for this week carleton and lindehoff mentioned they are proud of this ep - "the variable" - which counterbalances the previous ep "the constant"
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=podcast#t=3421

this was one of the small spoilers:
WHAT IT'S ABOUT One key revelation from the clips is that when Daniel asks Jack Shepherd (Matthew Fox) why he came back to the island (they're both in '77), Jack peers quizzically at him, then says -- your mother told us to. Yes, that would be Eloise Hawking (Fionnula Flanagan). Daniel then looks quizzically at Jack: "I've got bad news for you, Jack. You don't belong here at all. She was wrong."

[ChrisTheCop]

That spoiler just gave me a chill. I cant wait!! I'm gonna have to watch live at work since Obama may screw up my tivo.

[TooLowBrow]

this was one of the small spoilers:
WHAT IT'S ABOUT One key revelation from the clips is that when Daniel asks Jack Shepherd (Matthew Fox) why he came back to the island (they're both in '77), Jack peers quizzically at him, then says -- your mother told us to. Yes, that would be Eloise Hawking (Fionnula Flanagan). Daniel then looks quizzically at Jack: "I've got bad news for you, Jack. You don't belong here at all. She was wrong."

could this just be because, from faraday's point of view, he told desmond to get eloise to help. therefore, if desmond does his job, the other 6 dont have to come back

[PD]

it def peaked my interest.

(of course I had my night planned anyway)

here is the actual vid (if you didn't go to the newsday link.

spoiler warning (its same as my spoiler post before- this is the vid)
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and another spoiler

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edit: the good clip is over a minute

[Doctor Manhattan]

Oh Boy this looks like it will be a very good episode just as it's sister episode The Constant was.

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[hydee]

OK I didn't read the last few posts because I have a feeling that I missed an episode last week. Was last week a new episode? I thought that the show was a repeat last week.

[mikeyboy]

OK I didn't read the last few posts because I have a feeling that I missed an episode last week. Was last week a new episode? I thought that the show was a repeat last week.

Last week was a recap clip show.

[hammersavage]

We need the sandman to sweep Obama off at 8:55.


Racist, yes, but it's Lost were talking about.

[TooLowBrow]

finish up slowbama!

[BlackSpider]

Here's a thought.
If you're gonna run a recap episode, do it the night the president is speaking, not the week before...

[Foster]

if Obama goes past 8:59 it will confirm my suspicions that he is the Anti-Christ

[Drunky McBetidont]

i have to assume the constant is going to be alpert (as he never ages) and we will get some good island back story tonight. :)

[Doogie]

The fucking president is still yammering on...Arrrggghhhhhh!!!

And you know all the jerk offs afterwards will be making comments on his speech. I hope they start as if they would start the show and not get tape delayed cause of the prez.

[ChrisTheCop]

ok. I think I like Obama now. Thank u mr president.

[TooLowBrow]

he finished on time.

now theyre telling me what just happened

previously, in the speech

bring on,

previously, on lost

[Friday]

obama must be a fan of Lost!

:clap:

[WampusCrandle]

i love mrs. faraday - she kinda turns me on! oolala!

[Friday]

ooooh... and special nerd previews for star trek.

i <3 wednesdays!

[Doogie]

Nice opening...even better they had that preview from "Star Trek." But is it me or did that one monster in that preview look like the 'Cloverfield' monster??

[Doctor Manhattan]

Nice opening...even better they had that preview from "Star Trek." But is it me or did that one monster in that preview look like the 'Cloverfield' monster??

I was thinking the same thing. JJ Abrams must have a thing for those kind of creatures (ackward huge monsters)

[Knowledged_one]

864 metronome beats

864/8 = 108

hmmmm

[Doctor Manhattan]

The guy who told Daniel that he needs a hardhat looked familiar, but I can't place it. Anyone know?

[PD]

864 metronome beats

864/8 = 108

hmmmm

nice pickup.

Penny sighting - nice.
Faraday - nice.

this is 15 min and may be my fav episode of this season already.

[Brad_Rush]

Nice opening...even better they had that preview from "Star Trek." But is it me or did that one monster in that preview look like the 'Cloverfield' monster??

That's the first preview I've seen that made me think this movie might not come together very well. I hope the whole thing isn't that much special effects!

[PD]

The guy who told Daniel that he needs a hardhat looked familiar, but I can't place it. Anyone know?

I'm not sure if that's why you say that, but you do realize that little episode was previously seen, but in another perspective?

[Doogie]

864 metronome beats

864/8 = 108

hmmmm

Well 8 is a major part of music. There are eight notes in a scale...

[Foster]

is it possible that Faraday hooks up with his mother and becomes his own father?

[Doctor Manhattan]

I'm not sure if that's why you say that, but you do realize that little episode was previously seen, but in another perspective?

I know that, but last time we did not see Faraday get told that he needs a hardhat, we just saw him walk up and bump into Chang. Today we saw him watching Chang talk to the guy with the sonar scan (that revealed the frozen wheel) about not drilling anymore and then put on the hardhat that originally hide his face.

[HBox]

is it possible that Faraday hooks up with his mother and becomes his own father?

Yeah, let's take time travel advice from Mr I'm my own Father!

[Brad_Rush]

Yeah, let's take time travel advice from Mr I'm my own Father!

ha!

[Doogie]

I love when "Lost" introduces action it turns into Michael Bay/Jerry Bruchheimer movie type of action...just over the top ridiculous. Gotta love that aspect...

[Friday]

in case anyone is wondering... faraday keeps playing the slow section of the Fantasie Impromptu piano concerto by Chopin.
it's my favorite :)

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[Doctor Manhattan]

Jughead is coming back baby!


So what is this "What did you see" shit?

[Brad_Rush]

wow!

[Friday]

aarnsfndlnsafnlandalfnslcn!

:wacko:

[IamFogHat]

My mind is so fucked. I've been good with the insanity of this show's time travel implications, but now my brain officially exploded.

[extracheese]

Im blown away! That was the best hour of TV i have seen in a long long time.
Freakin unbelievable.

[TooLowBrow]

why doesnt faraday have an english accent?

[Doogie]

That was a nice mind fuck...his own mother kills Farady (just in case people who havent seen it yet dont cry we ruined it for them.)

Now I wish that had happened to him when he was in "Saving Private Ryan."

Finally, for me it is 100% official, any story line not involving Jack, Kate, or Sawyer is AOK in my book.

[PD]

as was said, wow.

well we learn who Faraday's father is

we get why Daniel needs a gun to face his mother.

and what the big sacrifice is.

just wow.

[Drunky McBetidont]

this one needs a repeat viewing.

daniel hawkings-widmore

[K.C.]

if he's dead, I'm going to be so upset.

[Drunky McBetidont]

if he's dead, I'm going to be so upset.

richard saved ben when he was shot. why not save faraday?

[HBox]

Remind me never to let Jack and Kate get my back.

[TooLowBrow]

richard saved ben when he was shot. why not save faraday?

especially with both of his parents right there

[Doogie]

See, the hints were there that Widmore was Daniels father so I wasnt surprised by that reveal. But I didnt see that ending coming...great job!!

[TooLowBrow]

widmore bangs hawking and they have faraday

(i dont know why faraday has a unique last name)

eloise leaves the island with daniel

widmore gets kicked off because he was banging, not eloise, but penny's mom

...widmore just cant keep his dick in his pants

[K.C.]

richard saved ben when he was shot. why not save faraday?

Because they're not suppose to.

If they do, they risk altering time, and more and more, that seems to be the entire point of The Others...to prevent people from harnessing the power of the island to manipulate time at all costs.

The question, is now, what will Jack do knowing that he can potentially erase everything that ever happened to them? And really, should he?

[Doctor Manhattan]

On TV mothers sometimes say "I brought you into this world and I can take you out" This time the mother did that literally and in reverse order! What a weird life Mrs Hawkings must have had knowing that the son she was raising would die at her hands in her past but his future.

Is little Daniel around on the island? He is older than 30 right?

[Drunky McBetidont]

Because they're not suppose to.

If they do, they risk altering time, and more and more, that seems to be the entire point of The Others...to prevent people from harnessing the power of the island to manipulate time at all costs.

The question, is now, what will Jack do knowing that he can potentially erase everything that ever happened to them? And really, should he?

hurley and kate will not want to land in LA. not sure about the rest of them. i guess sawyer likes his life with juliette better then the con game he had back home.

[Doctor Manhattan]

hurley and kate will not want to land in LA. not sure about the rest of them. i guess sawyer likes his life with juliette better then the con game he had back home.

That's may be a problem, if they erase the swan, flight 815's crash and all the events they lived through, then will Sawyer and Juliette still have a life together? They would not have even met. But if they don't crash on the island then how can they be there to stop the events from happening?

I thought Lost time travel was going to avoid the paradox shit that Terminator and Back to the Future time travel in full of.

[K.C.]

The problem I keep running into with this is that if they detonate the bomb, Oceanic 815 never crashes, which means that Season 6 has to be about how these people end up on the island anyway and fulfill their destinies, because the fact that they were actually able to detonate the bomb in 1977 means that they HAVE to go to the island and travel back in time at some point, even if it's not with the original crash (in otherwords, a course-correction).

If they don't detonate the bomb, then I don't know what the hell the storyline for Season 6 could possibly be.

To me, this show almost is set up in a manner where they have to change the future.


As Locke said, all of this happened for a reason.

[TooLowBrow]

The problem I keep running into with this is that if they detonate the bomb, Oceanic 815 never crashes, which means that Season 6 has to be about how these people end up on the island anyway and fulfill their destinies, because the fact that they were actually able to detonate the bomb in 1977 means that they HAVE to go to the island and travel back in time at some point, even if it's not with the original crash (in otherwords, a course-correction).

If they don't detonate the bomb, then I don't know what the hell the storyline for Season 6 could possibly be.

To me, this show almost is set up in a manner where they have to change the future.



As Locke said, all of this happened for a reason.

i dont think theyll blow it up, i think theyll use concrete.

thats whats happened, so it happened

or else are they gonna hike to safety from the nuke?

[ChrisTheCop]

Yeah, let's not forget; Jack and Kate are in charge of blowing this thing up (even if they do get help from Richard). It had a slim chance of working when a physicist was in charge, now with a doctor who was admittedly confused during Faraday's explanation... the effort is doomed to fail. Locke will have something to say about making sure everything goes as it did.

And when I heard the shot, I immediately said, "Fucking Widmore!" oops.

and Ok, in hindsight Ms Hawkings' facial expressions foreshadowed the event, which brings me back to Libby's facial expressions at the end of "Dave"... they have to mean something too.

They have alot to be proud of with this ep... amazing.

[SP1!]

What a fucking cunt, jesus knowing what she was doing and she still sent him back.

[Doogie]

What a fucking cunt, jesus knowing what she was doing and she still sent him back.

But was her sending him back in order to upset the cycle or to keep it going?? If it is the former, then all of this has happened before and she wants to stop it. If not and it is the latter then to quote Battlestar Galactica "All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again."

And Chris, I believe Locke will be a huge influence in stopping Jack. The island chose him almost in a way to protect it. But then again, maybe the island chose Locke to protect it in a way to bring the 815 people back so that way Jack will detonate the bomb ridding the island of people and allowing it to continue on in its own way. Just a simple theory, and one in which we dont have all the facts yet.

We are pulling a "Jack" here and reacting and not taking in all the facts. We shall see what will happen.

[TooLowBrow]

i just got back from the future

in next weeks episode we see that faraday was actually only shot in the leg

ps it was a locke episode

[Doogie]

Hmmmm...I need to re-watch the episode. I thought it came out his chest, but my cable got really choppy there near the end.

[Pestz4Evah]

Damon & Carlton confirm Faraday is dead:

http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/what-the-keck/losts-shocking-death-893.html

Executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof commend actor Jeremy Davies for pulling off an increasingly bizarro role – and taking the news of his firing better than any of their previous island exports.

“For us, Faraday really was the cornerstone of the fifth season – he really shined,” praises Lindelof. "I can’t imagine what season five would have looked like without Jeremy Davies. When you think about all the crazy stuff that had to come out of that guy’s mouth, for him to be as interesting and emotional and poetic as he was is really extraordinary."

Lindelof and Cuse say they were impressed by how well Davies took the news. While disappointed to be losing a paycheck, the actor saw his departure as essential to their storytelling. Lindelof says, "When Carlton and I called Jeremy to explain what was going to be happening with Faraday, we’ve never had a more awesome exit interview with somebody on the show.”

“It was an incredibly painful thing to kill this beloved character," Cuse adds, "but we feel that’s what this show has to do. His death is kind of the culminating event in the entire season. It really ends one chapter and commences the start of the final chapter of the entire series. Once we explained that to Jeremy, while he was personally saddened that his full-time status on Lost was coming to an end, he put the story above his own personal self.” (Hmmm...notice Cuse's wording: "full-time status".)

So why was now the right time to do him in?

"When we kill off a character we want the audience to say, ‘How dare you!,’ not, ‘It’s about time,’” explains Lindelof, who was particularly impressed with Davies' final scenes. “He has never been better than he was in 'The Variable.'"

[Doctor Manhattan]

Was that the first full Daniel centric episode? He was a major part of "The Constant" but that was Desmond's episode.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7503/loststartreksm.gif
I'm not sure how I feel about them messing with the title card. I hope this isn't something they are going to do a lot more...

Richard Alpert really needs his own episode. I want to know why he seems to be the only ageless/immortal character on the show (that we know of) I am sure that the giant statue has his face on it, I want to know more about this guy and his eyeliner!

[instrument]

why do you think anything has changed?
i think daniel proved that they can't change these events

he said himself that his mother KNEW he was going to die by going back to the island, IE this is how everything happened the first time.

and i don't think jack can do anything about the events, as his inaction created ben, anything they do is what they were meant to do originally....the only person who could possibly change time is the same as always, desmond.

Hopefully they'll address Daniel further in coming weeks..

[PhishHead]

Was that the first full Daniel centric episode? He was a major part of "The Constant" but that was Desmond's episode.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7503/loststartreksm.gif
I'm not sure how I feel about them messing with the title card. I hope this isn't something they are going to do a lot more...

Richard Alpert really needs his own episode. I want to know why he seems to be the only ageless/immortal character on the show (that we know of) I am sure that the giant statue has his face on it, I want to know more about this guy and his eyeliner!

next week is a Richard centric episode

[Doctor Manhattan]

next week is a Richard centric episode

SWEET! How do you know?

[PhishHead]

SWEET! How do you know?

spoiler sites.

[Doctor Manhattan]

spoiler sites.

On the internet? :dry:

[MagillaGorillaz]

Does anyone else think Eloise is Desmond's mother?

[Doctor Manhattan]

Does anyone else think Eloise is Desmond's mother?

We don't know anything about when Desmond was younger, if he ever was younger...

(Just wondering if Richard is the only ageless one on the show)

[CountryBob]

I am already getting depressed that this season is getting close to ending and only 1 more season to go. I really need this show to go on until I get tired of it - not when they want to end it. The only show I make a point of watching every episode.

[Dell]

I'm wondering why we haven't seen a little Daniel running around in 1977 and I have gone back and watched past episodes and still don't know when and why the island started killing mothers during childbirth.

[hammersavage]

I thought Faraday was actually dead simply from the line about the cut on his neck. They seemed to go out of their way to reinforce that where they were was their present and whatever happened to them would matter.

[PD]

still don't know when and why the island started killing mothers during childbirth.

I would not be surprised if it had to do with that Swan event.

the thing that I go back to is the Eloise/Desmond/Charlie episode, where they say you can't change time, it course corrects- you can only delay the inevitable.

[Doctor Manhattan]

...I have gone back and watched past episodes and still don't know when and why the island started killing mothers during childbirth.

I would not be surprised if it had to do with that Swan event...

That would make sense, we saw that Ethan was born in 1977 and there was no major issue. There is no indication that woman die during child birth up to the Incident.

[Dell]

the fact that this show eventually closes all dangling story lines is one of my favorite parts of the show... did they ever close the line on Claire's disappearance?

[IamPixie]

why doesnt faraday have an english accent?

Wasn't he raised in the US?

if he's dead, I'm going to be so upset.

I know. I'm bummed out about the loss of Faraday. I've grown attached to the new(er) characters, Faraday, Miles, Juliette. More so than the second half of the Oceanic Flight , Ecko, Libby, Ana Lucia etc. I could care less about them.

And Oh lord, Sawyer and Juliette are so fucked.

[TooLowBrow]

the fact that this show eventually closes all dangling story lines is one of my favorite parts of the show... did they ever close the line on Claire's disappearance?

she was last seen in jacobs cabin

[JBLouisville]

Well, the Freighties are all biting the bullet. Miles is left and Lapidus. And, we know that the Losties shoot someone off of the outrigger in one of the flashes. Poor Frank

Dan is Dead. But, I cant wait for the epic Miles talks to dead Dan scene.

I firmly believe WHHappened, Jack and Kate trying to follow Dan's book is what is going to cause the Incident in the first place.

Eloise's pyscho face at the Piano when she tells Dan to go to the freighter is incredible.

Poor Sawyer and Juliet, Im sure Miles and Hurley will get them out of that situation. What is in the Guitar case anyway?

Did Phil hear everything they were talking about, while in the closet? Bet he did, and that convinces Chang to send the people away.

Great Episode, Season 5 is top quality Science fiction.

[extracheese]

Why did Eloise send her son back to the Island? She knew he was going to die (by her very own hands). Yet she sent him. If it was simply to protect the Island, all she had to do was tell him NOT TO GO TO the island or some other lie to keep him away. She did love him.

If she remembered in 2004 that when she was 20 she shot a man who claimed he was her son, and said "you sent me here knowing ..etc.." so she felt she had to send him back to keep that timeline, that also doesn't make sense. The 2004 incident happened before the 1977 one. or did it.

The time travel paradoxes are so confusing, its painful to try to unravel them.

[TooLowBrow]

Why did Eloise send her son back to the Island? She knew he was going to die (by her very own hands). Yet she sent him. If it was simply to protect the Island, all she had to do was tell him NOT TO GO TO the island or some other lie to keep him away. She did love him.

If she remembered in 2004 that when she was 20 she shot a man who claimed he was her son, and said "you sent me here knowing ..etc.." so she felt she had to send him back to keep that timeline, that also doesn't make sense. The 2004 incident happened before the 1977 one. or did it.

The time travel paradoxes are so confusing, its painful to try to unravel them.

maybe she wants him dead
all she knows as an older woman is that when she was 20 she shot a man
that man had a notebook with him
with this notebook she is able to build the lamppost station

as the sole person outside of dharma to be able to locate the island she becomes very important and powerful

maybe she sacrificed her son, she already wasted his life by forcing him to follow the goals she set for him, in exchange for that power

he was her tool his whole life, maybe this was her being done with that tool

[K.C.]

maybe she wants him dead
all she knows as an older woman is that when she was 20 she shot a man
that man had a notebook with him
with this notebook she is able to build the lamppost station

as the sole person outside of dharma to be able to locate the island she becomes very important and powerful

maybe she sacrificed her son, she already wasted his life by forcing him to follow the goals she set for him, in exchange for that power

he was her tool his whole life, maybe this was her being done with that tool

That ignores the entire way she was portrayed in the flashbacks, though. With Daniel as a child, you could definitely see she was conflicted about putting him on his path. And again when she heard Widmore had given him the grant at the graduation, you saw it. And then there's the message she wrote him in the notebook. And finally, the scene in which she slaps Widmore and walks away because she's pissed at him talking about how it was such a sacrifice for him to lose his relationship with Penny, when he knew full well that Elie had to set it up so she kills Daniel.

There has to be a 'greater good' reason to why she did it, and in turn, that adds a little more credibility to the 'The Others are the good guys' argument that Ben always portrayed.

They're obviously fixing, or at the very least, making sure a certain outcome plays out on the island.

The question is whether or not they're protecting the existing outcome (whatever happened happened) or trying to forge a new outcome ('we're the variables -- we have free will -- yada yada yada')

I think it's a possibility that Elie knew (since she already did it) she couldn't avoid the moment where she kills Daniel, but pushed him so hard to his work in the hopes that what he discovered and recorded in his notebook could help change something after his death...perhaps even eliminate the timeline in which his death has to occur (which Daniel was trying to do for Charlotte, which is why he wanted Jughead detonated in the first place).

[TooLowBrow]

That ignores the entire way she was portrayed in the flashbacks, though. With Daniel as a child, you could definitely see she was conflicted about putting him on his path. And again when she heard Widmore had given him the grant at the graduation, you saw it. And then there's the message she wrote him in the notebook. And finally, the scene in which she slaps Widmore and walks away because she's pissed at him talking about how it was such a sacrifice for him to lose his relationship with Penny, when he knew full well that Elie had to set it up so she kills Daniel.

There has to be a 'greater good' reason to why she did it, and in turn, that adds a little more credibility to the 'The Others are the good guys' argument that Ben always portrayed.

They're obviously fixing, or at the very least, making sure a certain outcome plays out on the island.

The question is whether or not they're protecting the existing outcome (whatever happened happened) or trying to forge a new outcome ('we're the variables -- we have free will -- yada yada yada')

I think it's a possibility that Elie knew (since she already did it) she couldn't avoid the moment where she kills Daniel, but pushed him so hard to his work in the hopes that what he discovered and recorded in his notebook could help change something.

she was conflicted and angry because she regretted that her quest for power would make her kill her son.

but in the end she, with a tear in her eye, sends him to die

[K.C.]

she was conflicted and angry because she regretted that her quest for power would make her kill her son.

but in the end she, with a tear in her eye, sends him to die

What quest for power?

If anything, she's not shown anything in that regard yet.

The power play game has existed largely between Widmore and Ben. She's been a sideline player who's provided guidance to players on both sides.

[TooLowBrow]

What quest for power?

If anything, she's not shown anything in that regard yet.

The power play game has existed largely between Widmore and Ben. She's been a sideline player who's provided guidance to players on both sides.

without her they cant locate, and in bens case, travel back to, the island

[Drunky McBetidont]

What is in the Guitar case anyway?

i thought it is charley's guitar.

[instrument]

nice to know that we're four hours away from the incident?
isn't that what farrady said?

its gonna be a long wait for next season.

[K.C.]

without her they cant locate, and in bens case, travel back to, the island

There's a difference between having a vested interest in the outcome, and being on some kind of mad power trip.

And we don't know enough about her at this point to draw too much of a conclusion about either.





But I'm going to change up a little bit, because I want to ask the question about what would happen if what Faraday was trying to do actually worked.

He seemed to think that by detonating Jughead in the Swan, he could erase the entire chain of events that caused everything we've seen to happen.

But that seems logically untrue. The 815ers have to go to the island, to go back in time to detonate Jughead in the first place.

It would create a paradox, in which the only way Faraday's theory would work would be the creation of a parallel universe at the point in which Jughead is detonated.

Otherwise, it's not possible for the 815ers to change their own future. That kind of plays back into the grandfather paradox. You can't do something that will change your own status of existence.

However, it seems entirely possible that other people in DHARMA time could do this. For instance, it's logically possible for Dr. Chang to detonate the bomb on the Swan, thus changing the timeline, at which point our heroes would presumably disappear from the DHARMA past, since they would have never gone there.

The problem is that Dr. Chang would have to come to that conclusion either on his own (which he doesn't since this has happened before), or by communicating with someone in the future who's present would be completely unaltered if the bomb was detonated or not detonated (remember the ComicCon video in which he is sending a message to the future...just a thought), OR by someone to whom the rules of time and space do not apply.

So logically, the future is changeable in certain circumstances, but not in the way that Daniel seemed to be trying to do it and not in the way it appears Jack will now go about doing it.


Of course, I also question whether Daniel really believed what he was saying, or whether he was setting people in place like a chess board in the hopes that something could change by doing that, and ultimately knew he was going to have to sacrifice himself in the process. But that's a post for another time...

[hammersavage]

The problem is that Dr. Chang would have to come to that conclusion either on his own (which he doesn't since this has happened before), or by communicating with someone in the future who's present would be completely unaltered if the bomb was detonated or not detonated (remember the ComicCon video in which he is sending a message to the future...just a thought), OR by someone to whom the rules of time and space do not apply.

Alpert obviously

[K.C.]

Alpert obviously

Ehhh...the rules of aging don't apply to him, but we don't know if the string theory rule of time does or does not.

If so, that would place 1977 Alpert in the same place as Chang. Capable of producing the change, but needing an influence that is not going to endanger its own status of existence to put the idea in his head to produce that change.

Desmond is the closest thing to fitting that bill, but I don't see how they'd get him back to the island before the end of this Season.

[TooLowBrow]

how does faraday know that they only have 4 hours til the event?

did i miss it?

[K.C.]

The other possibility is this:

Desmond and Daniel unstuck themselves in time because they were exposed to certain levels of electromagnetic material combined with radiation.

Suppose Jack detonates Jughead on the Swan...the force of a nuclear bomb over the strongest force of electromagnetic material on the island, creating a parallel universe in which 815 never crashes.

Theroretically, everyone in that universe would have no recollection of anything that's ever happened.

But...does by the nature of what Jack did, does he unstick himself in time (the only thing that would allow this to work, since the rules of time would no longer apply to him)? And if so, does his consciousness now bounce between the original timeline and the parallel universe.

That could set up a sixth season in which Jack ultimately gets to decide which fate he chooses, not just for himself but for everyone. Almost like an 'It's a Wonderful Life' type of season.

Not sure I like that idea, but one of many possibilities.

[Doctor Manhattan]

...did they ever close the line on Claire's disappearance?

Claire will return to the show next season. She mentioned this on O&A and I think Damon and Carlton mentioned in on one of their podcasts


What is in the Guitar case anyway?i thought it is charley's guitar.

Did Hurley have the guitar in the helicopter?

how does faraday know that they only have 4 hours til the event?

did i miss it?

I assumed his mom told him at some point and it's in his notebook. I don't think they actually mentioned how his knows for sure.

[TooLowBrow]

I assumed his mom told him at some point and it's in his notebook. I don't think they actually mentioned how his knows for sure.
but he was never supposed to go back in time. he was just supposed to go to the island for widmore. the only reason the island started time skipping was because ben broke the time/travel wheel when he used it.
then, in '77 he left the island, but his mom was only 20 so she'd be no help.
he spent time in ann arbor...you think he couldve told the dharma there to pull there people off of the island.
i think ann arbor mightve wanted to see what happens if the 'electromagnetic pulse' goes off.
but daniel came back to save the losties, whom he saw in the pic, and maybe his mom too

[Doctor Manhattan]

I assumed his mom told him at some point and it's in his notebook. I don't think they actually mentioned how his knows for sure.
but he was never supposed to go back in time. he was just supposed to go to the island for widmore. the only reason the island started time skipping was because ben broke the time/travel wheel when he used it.
then, in '77 he left the island, but his mom was only 20 so she'd be no help.
he spent time in ann arbor...you think he couldve told the dharma there to pull there people off of the island.
i think ann arbor mightve wanted to see what happens if the 'electromagnetic pulse' goes off.
but daniel came back to save the losties, whom he saw in the pic, and maybe his mom too

I don't know if Dan's mom knows that "whatever happened, happened" but she should know that Dan goes back in time unless she forgot about the guy she shot who called her "Mom." I don't think she sent him there to stop anything I'm just saying that he knows a lot about the island and I'm sure a lot of that knowledge comes from his Mom who lived through these events. Perhaps we will get a better idea of how he knows once we get closer to The Incident but for now I am assuming his Mom told him.

[TooLowBrow]

I don't know if Dan's mom knows that "whatever happened, happened" but she should know that Dan goes back in time unless she forgot about the guy she shot who called her "Mom." I don't think she sent him there to stop anything I'm just saying that he knows a lot about the island and I'm sure a lot of that knowledge comes from his Mom who lived through these events. Perhaps we will get a better idea of how he knows once we get closer to The Incident but for now I am assuming his Mom told him.

the only time his mom couldve told him is before he got on the ship with miles, michael, etc.
and at that point he had lost his mind. he couldnt remember day to day things.
it wasnt until he came to the island that he started to be able to function again

it looks like dr candle will take some of daniels advice and send his wife and baby miles off the island

[Doctor Manhattan]

the only time his mom couldve told him is before he got on the ship with miles, michael, etc.
and at that point he had lost his mind. he couldnt remember day to day things.
it wasnt until he came to the island that he started to be able to function again

That is what the notebook is for, so he doesn't have to remember. It contains everything he knows about the island

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/3072/800pxdanjournal2.jpg

[PD]

Claire will return to the show next season. She mentioned this on O&A and .

claire was on O&A?

I musta missed that.

[Pestz4Evah]

claire was on O&A?

I musta missed that.

She was on just about a year ago:

Emilie De Ravin on the Opie & Anthony Show - 4/28/08 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/1ygws9)
http://www.foundrymusic.com/common_images/member_galleries/33_042920080128271209446907046.jpg

[K.C.]

That is what the notebook is for, so he doesn't have to remember. It contains everything he knows about the island

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/3072/800pxdanjournal2.jpg

That brings up an interesting question, though.

Elie gave the notebook to Daniel after he graduated from Oxford.

Daniel is only healed when he reads in his notebook that Desmond Hume is his Constant and it re-syncs his memory.

What I wonder is whether he changed the past when he sent Desmond to find him at Oxford University in 1996.

Otherwise, at whatever point his memory starts short-circuiting, couldn't he have just looked in his notebook, read the 'Desmond Hume is my constant' page and try and track the guy down?

That is, unless, it never happened until he sent Desmond to find him (similar to Desmond never remembering that Daniel told him to find his mother until he was on his boat in 2008).

That would be changing the past.

[TooLowBrow]

That brings up an interesting question, though.

Elie gave the notebook to Daniel after he graduated from Oxford.

Daniel is only healed when he reads in his notebook that Desmond Hume is his Constant and it re-syncs his memory.

What I wonder is whether he changed the past when he sent Desmond to find him at Oxford University in 1996.

Otherwise, at whatever point his memory starts short-circuiting, couldn't he have just looked in his notebook, read the 'Desmond Hume is my constant' page and try and track the guy down?

That is, unless, it never happened until he sent Desmond to find him (similar to Desmond never remembering that Daniel told him to find his mother until he was on his boat in 2008).

That would be changing the past.

desmond went back to '96 and speeded up dans work
dan used this knowledge to continue his experiments
he tested the on himself and everything seemed ok
he tested his chick, theresa?, and she got sick
then he started to lose his memory

im guessing thats when he stopped rereading the journal
so he might not have remembered that the desmond thing was in there

[Doctor Manhattan]

Did they explain how Hurley got out of jail and onto the flight? He wasn't part of the group that visited Mrs. Hawkings in "The Lighthouse" station in LA but he was at the airport with a guitar case.

[instrument]

everyone keeps saying changed the past... you can't change the past!!!!!

only desmond can

right?!?!?!

so give up on the they changed shit, we learned with jack and ben that you can't change it.

sheeesh, move along.

[K.C.]

everyone keeps saying changed the past... you can't change the past!!!!!

only desmond can

right?!?!?!

so give up on the they changed shit, we learned with jack and ben that you can't change it.

sheeesh, move along.

To answer this as briefly as possible, we THINK that no one other than maybe Desmond can change the past, but we're not 100% sure.

I think we will know for certain by the end of this season.

[K.C.]

Did they explain how Hurley got out of jail and onto the flight? He wasn't part of the group that visited Mrs. Hawkings in "The Lighthouse" station in LA but he was at the airport with a guitar case.

Not yet.

I actually heard who next weeks episode is centered around: Richard

So we won't find out anything then. Not sure who gets the finale this year. We'll either find it out then or next season.

Seems pretty obvious he was chatting with Ghost Charlie again.

[TooLowBrow]

Did they explain how Hurley got out of jail and onto the flight? He wasn't part of the group that visited Mrs. Hawkings in "The Lighthouse" station in LA but he was at the airport with a guitar case.

ben's lawyer got him off

[disneyspy]

ben's lawyer got him off

hee hee

[TooLowBrow]

Not yet.

I actually heard who next weeks episode is centered around: Richard



has he had his own episode yet?

[K.C.]

has he had his own episode yet?

Nope, this is suppose to be the first one.

I'm not sure if we'll get his whole backstory, or it'll just jump between his dealing in 1977 vs. 2008, since he's on the island in both times.

[TooLowBrow]

Nope, this is suppose to be the first one.

I'm not sure if we'll get his whole backstory, or it'll just jump between his dealing in 1977 vs. 2008, since he's on the island in both times.

i want to know why he was off the island when 815 crashed. where was he?

[K.C.]

i want to know why he was off the island when 815 crashed. where was he?

Wasn't he doing the thing with Juliet's sister to prove that her cancer was cured by Jacob, like Ben said it would be if Juliet stayed?

[Pestz4Evah]

Did they explain how Hurley got out of jail and onto the flight? He wasn't part of the group that visited Mrs. Hawkings in "The Lighthouse" station in LA but he was at the airport with a guitar case.

I think I saw a TV Guide article that said we will find out how he got out by the end of this season....not sure if it is next week or it is in the finale.

[JBLouisville]

Everyone thinks Ghost Charlie is going to get Hurley on the flight. But, I think Good Ole JACOB will be the one to get him on the flight. We do know that Hurley seen the cabin and has a special connection that has not been explored yet.

[ChrisTheCop]

JJ Abrams was on O and A this morning, basically confirming that my Daddy Theory still has legs.

[JBLouisville]

Chris, please re-hash your Daddy Theory, I have forgot.

[ChrisTheCop]

Well, I cant find my original post, somewhere in season 1 or 2 I think...

But it boils down like this: All the major characters have daddy issues: Jack and Christian's, Kate killed hers, Locke's ran out only to return and steal his kidney, Cheech only came back to Hurley after he won the lottery, Aaron's ran out on him, Eko was an orphan, Sawyer's was killed in front of him, Sun's dad's an ass, Jin disowned his father cause he was ashamed of his status, Desmond's probs with Penny's dad, Walt and Michael (at the time I brought this up, I noted that the #1 word on the show at the time was "father" or "dad, " mostly due to Walt. Oh, and lets not forget Ben and Roger Workman!

Anywho... I also noted that many of these same characters were put on that plane by someone else: Jack's ticket was purchased by his mom to go pick up dad, Kate of course was in custody, Sayid'd ticket was given to him by the cia, Locke's by the tour company that refused him, Claire's by the psychic...etc (?)... Similarly, Desmond was given a boat that eventually brought him to the island. My original thought was that perhaps somehow the fathers had all offered up their kids to Dharma, or the island, for some sinister reason, perhaps as part of a secret society.

We have now seen that one "set" of parents did just that (Charles and Eloise).
Although I'm not sure anymore how 'sinister' this act was.

I didnt know then, and I still dont know now where this all truly leads, but Mr Abrams saying that the writers probably noticed that as well, and it will probably be addressed (words to that affect) made me all giddy.

[Doogie]

Today I was reading Michio Kaku's book and realized something. Daniel Faraday is more than likely an homage to Michael Faraday. (http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/biography/Faraday.html) A renowned scientist whose studies included electricty and magnetism.

[TooLowBrow]

Today I was reading Michio Kaku's book and realized something. Daniel Faraday is more than likely an homage to Michael Faraday. (http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/biography/Faraday.html) A renowned scientist whose studies included electricty and magnetism.

* In Flight of the Navigator there is a Dr. Faraday.
* David Arthur Faraday was the first victim of the Zodiac Killer in the 1960's. The Zodiac raft in which Daniel Faraday rides on the show is possibly a reference to this. [3]
* Daniel Faraday was a time traveller in the episode FINAL APPEAL (THE OUTER LIMITS). [4]
* His name first appeared as the season 4 clue word for chapter 2 of the Find 815 alternate reality game.
* Michael Faraday (September 22, 1791 – August 25, 1867) was an English physicist who researched electromagnetism.
o Faraday invented the Faraday cage, a cage that prevents electro-magnetic radiation from permeating it.
o He is accredited for introducing the idea of electromagnetic induction. Although Joseph Henry discovered it at about the same time, Faraday published first.
o The Faraday Constant, a constant in electrochemistry, is named after Faraday. The episode "The Constant" is an obvious reference to this and contains many more references in it.
o The Faraday constant is 23kcal/mol.
o The SI unit of electrical capacitance, the farad, is named for Faraday.
o The face of Michael Faraday is visible on the Bank of England Series E £20 note that can be seen in the secret room at Ben's home in the Barracks. ("The Economist")
o Faraday worked on a theory that combined the interchangeability of electricity and magnetism, with the interchangeability of gravity. He was not successful.
o Michael Faraday (Daniel's namesake) gave popular lectures on The Chemical History of a Candle.
o In June of 1832, the University of Oxford granted Faraday a Doctor of Civil Law degree (honorary).
o Flight 815 crashed on what would be his 213th birthday.
* The Faraday Institute is a research institute at St. Edmund's College, Cambridge. The institute studies the correlations between science and religion. The belief in and value of science (logic) vs. religion (faith) is a theme often explored in Lost, particularly in arguments between Jack (who usually supports logic and devalues faith) and Locke (who usually supports faith and disregards science). ("Orientation")
* During casting this character was named Russell. [source needed] "Russell Faraday" is the alias given to the villain at the end of Stephen King's The Stand.
* In the novel "House of Leaves" by Mark Z. Danielewski, on page 90 there is discussion of how the house, an anomaly of space-time, defies the use of a compass much like the island. The fictitious Footnote 101 on this page regarding this phenomenon states "Devon Lettau wrote an amusing if ultimately pointless essay on the compass' behavior. He asserted that the minute fluctuations of the needle proved the house was nothing less than a vestibule for pure energy which if harnessed correctly could supply the world with unlimited power. See 'The Faraday Conclusion'(Boston: Maxwell Press 1996)."

[ChrisTheCop]

Also mentioned at tonights Red Sox- yankee game.
They were hoping for a Faraday.

Weird.

[Furtherman]

Today I was reading Michio Kaku's book and realized something. Daniel Faraday is more than likely an homage to Michael Faraday. (http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/biography/Faraday.html) A renowned scientist whose studies included electricty and magnetism.

Physics Of The Impossible, right? Great book.

Michael Faraday has also been mentioned in Doc Jensen's analysis over at EW.com.


I will miss that character. He and Miles are my two favorite and I was hoping they'd both make it till the end.

One other person I don't see making it this season: Juliet. Which would be a damn shame too.

[JBLouisville]

Chris, that is a great theory on the dads! And, the tickets being offered.

Didn't Juliet say something bad about her daddy, and she was given the trip to the island on the sub as well.

[PD]

Today I was reading Michio Kaku's book and realized something. Daniel Faraday is more than likely an homage to Michael Faraday. (http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/biography/Faraday.html) A renowned scientist whose studies included electricty and magnetism.

I thought that one was obvious.

One thing I like about this show is all of the famous names/references.
Faraday
Locke
Rousseau
Shepherd (as in Christian Shepherd....)
CS Lewis

off the top of my head.

[K.C.]

Michael Faraday has also been mentioned in Doc Jensen's analysis over at EW.com.


There's so many potential links to other things in that you could write a book on the connection between Lost and other works.

Probably after the show goes off the air, and I realize there's an unpluggable void in my Wednesday night TV time, I"m going to very leisurely re-watch the series and take the time to dig through a lot of the connections and references littered throughout the entire show.

[disneyspy]

bowlin league is over and i get to enjoy the best thing on tv live tonight,wooooooooooo

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

bowlin league is over and i get to enjoy the best thing on tv live tonight,wooooooooooo
Is the name of your league "the Hostiles"?

[disneyspy]

Is the name of your league "the Hostiles"?

na,like everything else up here it has cherry in it,i bowl for the crown golf course in the cherryland league,i got most improved bowler,raised my ave by 20 pins this season and had high handicap game,bowled a 242 when my ave was 139

[K.C.]

A conversation to keep in mind for tonight (the hatch part of this clip takes on a particularly interesting meaning, now that it is again the focal point of Season 5):

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[disneyspy]

A conversation to keep in mind for tonight (the hatch part of this clip takes on a particularly interesting meaning, now that it is again the focal point of Season 5):

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awesome KC, this and chris' theory match perfectly

[TooLowBrow]

A conversation to keep in mind for tonight (the hatch part of this clip takes on a particularly interesting meaning, now that it is again the focal point of Season 5):

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to me this clip just makes locke seem primitive. he didnt understand that what made the hatch appear mystical (the beam of light, its locked nature) was really just normal things.

[WampusCrandle]

holy shit!!!! did Richard just say he watched all in the past die?!?!?! NOOOOOOOO!

[IamFogHat]

I'm frightened.

[WampusCrandle]

I'm frightened.

me too!

[IamFogHat]

I love when all our Lost sig pics show up when we're in a watching thread.:happy:

[disneyspy]

kate would be in jail

[IamFogHat]

I think Jack is turning into the unintentional villain, which makes me respect the writers even more.

[WampusCrandle]

for the first time, i have the overwhelming feeling that a big character will die.
:glurps:

[Brad_Rush]

Hurley being questioned about when he was born was great! I literally laughed out loud!

[WampusCrandle]

Hurley being questioned about when he was born was great! I literally laughed out loud!

him giving in after three questions had me howling!

[IamFogHat]

Holy Fuck! My Brain!