2009 NHL Offseason Discussion

[El Mudo]

...and when the pirates win the mlb crown this year...PITT SWEEP!!

Oh shit, that's right...NO FUCKING WAY!

At least someone got to celebrate a title at PNC Park

http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20090615&Category=SPORTS05&ArtNo=906150371&Ref=AR&Profile=1050&MaxW=320&Border=0

Injuries are out too. Gonchar had a torn MCL, LeTang had a mangled shoulder

[Donnie Iris]

Steigerwald and Errey are okay, but i'd much rather listen to Mike Lange and the ol' 29er if given the choice

Agreed.

Also, your wealth of hockey knowledge is dumbfounding.

[Donnie Iris]

Still Donnie, how were said ratings when you were a mid-level team without two of the biggest stars in the game and a 1st overall pick goalie? It wasn't that good up there to say the least. Just like in Denver, the Avs drew full houses every game when on top or close with stars like Sakic and Forsberg in their prime, and now aren't even close to doing so with the ratings down as well. Sure it's still a very good hockey hotbed in the US, but it's not exactly fair to pick one year on your second Stanley Cup run to use as a litmus test.

However, we do have something on the likes of the NJ Devs and Ginger Wings who STILL have issues with selling out when on Stanley Cup runs with great teams. I should know, I saw 3 fucking games in NJ of the 2001 Stanley Cup Finals by walking up to the ticket booth day of and got great seats. Hell, I even sat with the Drury family at game 4 I believe, and they loved it I was an Avs fan and gave me a ton of Avs swag and beer throughout the game! My favorite item they gave me was a cool hat with 18 on the front and his name on the back over the semicircle in small script, along with 16W on the side (the mantra for the Avs that year). I got it signed later and everything and had a cool convo with him bc he couldn't figure out how I got one! At least I can still remember when the Avs were good! Ha! :down:


I'll give you the year or two before Sid, but you would be surprsied by the loyalty around these parts. They expect a lot but I think that's reciprocal. The numbers are always good here. They've sold out a few seasons in a row at home.

Also, I'm all for people suppporting my team, but how do you have two teams? Not really sure how I feel about that.

[Donnie Iris]

The local news outlet just reported an estimated 250,000 have gathered for the parade that hasn't even started yet.

Say what you want about the 'Burgh, for better or worse, this has to be considered a top tier sports town.

Correction: 375,000 people estimated to be there today.

Great pictures available here: http://www.post-gazette.com

[cougarjake13]

it is



too bad no one can help the pirates

[spoon]

Also, I'm all for people suppporting my team, but how do you have two teams? Not really sure how I feel about that.

Like I said before to someone in here, ur confusing my PURE HATRED for the ginger wings for liking the Pens. Sure it's an East Conf team I have no issue with and can root for a little being originally from PA, but I sure as hell aren't a fan. Fallon put that in my avatar, not me. I put that thing all over the red wing fan pages just to fuck with them bc I knew they were going home losers being they had/have Hossa AND Conklin! The Conklin curse works three years in a row baby!

[cougarjake13]

whats the conklin curse ??

[El Mudo]

whats the conklin curse ??

He's been on 3 teams that have lost Cups; Edmonton in 06, Pittsburgh last year, and Detroit this year (its not 3 years in a row there Spoon....he wasn't involved in the Anaheim/Ottawa series in 07)

Plus, he's also the only player that's been involved in every winter classic...the Montreal/Edmonton game, the Pittsburgh/Buffalo game and the Detroit/Chicago one this year


The Coyotes are staying in Phoenix (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coyotes/articles/2009/06/15/20090615coyotesnosale.html)

[disneyspy]

speakin of curses,last season was the last year of the 50 year curse of bobby lane on the lions,look for detroit to get its first superbowl this season

[spoon]

He's been on 3 teams that have lost Cups; Edmonton in 06, Pittsburgh last year, and Detroit this year (its not 3 years in a row there Spoon....he wasn't involved in the Anaheim/Ottawa series in 07)

Plus, he's also the only player that's been involved in every winter classic...the Montreal/Edmonton game, the Pittsburgh/Buffalo game and the Detroit/Chicago one this year


The Coyotes are staying in Phoenix (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coyotes/articles/2009/06/15/20090615coyotesnosale.html)

Yah my bad, sorry I forgot about that fucking AWFUL series.

[Donnie Iris]

I'm awful at getting this to work, but here are some pictures from the parade yesterday (if it works)


http://community.post-gazette.com/media/p/147344.aspx

http://community.post-gazette.com/media/p/147343.aspx

http://community.post-gazette.com/media/p/147538.aspx

[stump12]

i'll give you the celts cuz the pats didnt make the playoffs last year

If your talking all time, the bruins and celts made the playoffs every year from the mid 70s to the early 90's

[disneyspy]

If your talking all time, the bruins and celts made the playoffs every year from the mid 70s to the early 90's

i was going the present streaks cuz if you go back in time with less cities and teams involved the streaks are longer

[Donnie Iris]

10,000 people were reported to be at the Lakers victory parade in LA today.

375,000 people reported at the Penguins victory parade in Pittsburgh on Monday.

[cougarjake13]

10,000 people were reported to be at the Lakers victory parade in LA today.

375,000 people reported at the Penguins victory parade in Pittsburgh on Monday.


b/c pitt has no nba team



unless you count the fish who saved pittsburgh

[TripleSkeet]

10,000 people were reported to be at the Lakers victory parade in LA today.

375,000 people reported at the Penguins victory parade in Pittsburgh on Monday.

And 2 million were at the Phillies parade in October.

[jauble]

I am not a whore so I will not start a thread on this. I am a pens fan now. My reasoning is as follows:
1. I did not betray a fan alliance as I had no NHL team in Indy.
2. I see myself in this area for awhile.
3. I cannot and will not pull for the steelers (colts fan) and the highest paid triple A team (Pirates)

That is all.

[Donnie Iris]

b/c pitt has no nba team



unless you count the fish who saved pittsburgh

Because we have no NBA team the Lakers have a pathetic rally?

[Donnie Iris]

And 2 million were at the Phillies parade in October.

Not that it matters, and I'm not trying to make it a competiton, but there were not 2 million there. I just read about it and there were high estimates in the neighborhood of 300,000.

[El Mudo]

The Sedins both want 12 year, 63 million dollar deals (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282198)


126 million for two guys who've never gotten above 90 points? And are on the same line??


Ehh....no thanks

[Freitag]

3. I cannot and will not pull for the steelers (colts fan) and the highest paid triple A team (Pirates)

That is all.

You may want to re-think that logic with Kei Igawa in Scranton for the Yankees.

[spoon]

You may want to re-think that logic with Kei Igawa in Scranton for the Yankees.

Sranton/WILKES-BARRE you prick!

[cougarjake13]

Because we have no NBA team the Lakers have a pathetic rally?



nope


just that all fans in LA are just there for the coolness factor


are there real diehard fans... yeh but not as many as in other cities


thats just my opinion

[El Mudo]

It was nice to see Ovi get the Hart (even though he didn't deserve it), and the Pearson

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nhl_experts__34/ept_sports_nhl_experts-353544263-1245381288.jpg?ymoaJcBDTh6F9LCa

[Donnie Iris]

It was nice to see Ovi get the Hart (even though he didn't deserve it), and the Pearson

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nhl_experts__34/ept_sports_nhl_experts-353544263-1245381288.jpg?ymoaJcBDTh6F9LCa

That picture is fucking creepy...

[El Mudo]

That picture is fucking creepy...



Thats the first thing I thought of when I saw the picture...he looks excessively evil, especially when compared to last year's picture

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/2008+NHL+Awards+Portraits+5bLeflBnAGol.jpg

[El Mudo]

The Winter Classic's going to be a doubleheader (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4270968)

The NHL is hoping to double down on the success of its Winter Classic by planning a second outdoor game for Jan. 1, 2010, according to multiple league sources.

The back-end of the outdoor doubleheader would be hosted by the Flames in Calgary's McMahon Stadium, the site of the opening and closing ceremonies for the 1988 Winter Olympics. The opponent is unknown but figures to be one of the other five Canadian-based franchises.

While there has been no official announcement, the first half of the Winter Classic twin bill likely will be hosted by the Boston Bruins at historic Fenway Park. Alex Ovechkin and the Washington Capitals are rumored to be the Bruins' opponent.

[Gvac]

What a monumental fucking embarrassment that awards show was last night.

I've seen high school productions that looked more professional.

And the musical guest was Chaka fucking Khan???

Seriously???

What year is this...1979?

I can't wait for next year's Vegas spectacular.

Maybe they can get Wayne Newton and Sigfried and Roy as entertainment.

Cheesy mother fuckers.

[spoon]

It was quite the trainwreck I agree, but what else can we expect from Bettman at this point. And not only was Chaka Khan ancient, it also is a zero fit for hockey...ESPECIALLY that fucking song. There were pretty much NO awesome vids looking back at the year's hits, saves, scores and playoffs. They lumped in the fucking Ross and Richard trophy presentations into one, while we endured seemingly 50 leadership, sportsmanship, charity work awards one by one, for 15 minutes a piece. Let's focus on the fucking game for fuck's sake and pick up the tempo/feel of the show as well while your at it. It looked more like a Florida AARP convention as opposed to the awards for the NHL.

Oh and someone get fucking Datsyuk a damn haircut!

[Fallon]

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[keithy_19]

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/calgary-flames/Brent+Sutter+rumours+heat/1717735/story.html

[NickyL0885]

I'm prepared to be crying my brains out and banging my head against the wall when Garth Snow steps to the podium at 7:15pm friday night and says "With the first overall pick in the 2009 NHL Draft, the New York Islanders select from the Brampton Batallion forward Matt Duchene"


I want John Tavares but you just know the Isles will fuck this up.

[El Mudo]

I'm prepared to be crying my brains out and banging my head against the wall when Garth Snow steps to the podium at 7:15pm friday night and says "With the first overall pick in the 2009 NHL Draft, the New York Islanders select from the Brampton Batallion forward Matt Duchene"


I want John Tavares but you just know the Isles will fuck this up.


They could take Hedman too....they've been holding their cards so close to the vest, that nobody knows what's going on. Toronto REALLY wants Tavares.

Its the proverbial row of dominoes...if Tavares goes 1, that means Hedman's going 2. If Hedman goes 1, that probably pushes Tavares down (and could send him to the Leafs)

[spoon]

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/calgary-flames/Brent+Sutter+rumours+heat/1717735/story.html

That took long.....fuck the flamers.

[spoon]

They could take Hedman too....they've been holding their cards so close to the vest, that nobody knows what's going on. Toronto REALLY wants Tavares.

Its the proverbial row of dominoes...if Tavares goes 1, that means Hedman's going 2. If Hedman goes 1, that probably pushes Tavares down (and could send him to the Leafs)

Not necessarily true. Of late, many have moved up Matt Duchene into the #2 spot ahead of Hedman. Also, other scouts while not moving him based solely on stat comparisions (which can be dangerous), have called Duchene the most well rounded player in this draft. As it turns out, the Avs can wind up with either Hedman or Duchene in my mind. I'm not sure which is better to be honest, but I have had my mind set on Duchene for a while. I'm even more excited to see his stock rise so much. Side note, he's a long time Avs fan as well which is kind of cool.

I like the Isle fans am worried the Avs will drop the ball here as well. However, they really have the easiest pick in this whole draft....take whichever of the three is left. The top three, not two have surely garnered a TON of press in the hockey world.

[El Mudo]

Chris Chelios is done in Detroit (http://www.detnews.com/article/20090622/SPORTS0103/906220402/1361/Red-Wings-will-not-re-sign-Chris-Chelios)

[El Mudo]

Not necessarily true. Of late, many have moved up Matt Duchene into the #2 spot ahead of Hedman. Also, other scouts while not moving him based solely on stat comparisions (which can be dangerous), have called Duchene the most well rounded player in this draft. As it turns out, the Avs can wind up with either Hedman or Duchene in my mind. I'm not sure which is better to be honest, but I have had my mind set on Duchene for a while. I'm even more excited to see his stock rise so much. Side note, he's a long time Avs fan as well which is kind of cool.

I like the Isle fans am worried the Avs will drop the ball here as well. However, they really have the easiest pick in this whole draft....take whichever of the three is left. The top three, not two have surely garnered a TON of press in the hockey world.


Would Tampa take Duchene at 2 if Tavares went 1? They need help with their defence more than they need another centre. I think the Avs would be in good shape with either Duchene or Hedman.

[spoon]

Would Tampa take Duchene at 2 if Tavares went 1? They need help with their defence more than they need another centre. I think the Avs would be in good shape with either Duchene or Hedman.

Oh I agree on all those points and have felt the same way for a long time. Still, it depends on how much TB (who has had many top tier picks recently) wants to pick second versus getting more picks and or players overall. I'm not really worried about NYI making a move, but I do fear TB making one with the like of Toronto or any of the others looking to grab one of these guys. We'll see, but even so Hedman or Duchene will be a HUGE addition to the team.....granted Sherman/Lacroix and Sacco don't do something stupid themselves.

:unsure:

[El Mudo]

Here's an AMAZING article/analysis about the draft....I cannot recommend it highly enough (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2009/6/21/920352/detroit-isnt-that-great-at)


He actually comes to a pretty interesting conclusion in one of his points, namely:

*whispers* Detroit isn't all that good at drafting

I actually really like Detroit, but I'm going to pick on them here because there's just a bit too much hype about their drafting prowess for my liking. "Detroit has the best scouting department in the NHL" is one of most repeated phrases in any draft discussion, but I'm not convinced that's true. Player development? Top notch. But actually consistently drafting NHL-calibre players? Not their forte.

If you refer back to the first chart posted above, you'll notice that Detroit is DEAD LAST in 3 of the 4 categories (% that made it to the NHL, % that played 200 games, # of games played per player drafted), and 27th in the other. That’s not good. Of course, drafting 2 franchise players in the late rounds makes up for that, but when the bulk of your drafted players end up being "busts", that's not a good sign.

Here’s a look at the players Detroit drafted in the 1st round since 1994. First of all - let's count all of the first round picks in 97,99, 01,02,03,04. Oh my goodness – there are none! Where did they go? Someone must have stolen them, because the most well managed team in the history of the NHL would never trade away draft picks, especially first rounders, since they realize how important they are and that no team can have any success without them. Second of all - not an overly impressive bunch besides Kronwall (and weirdly, all defencemen except for last year's pick).

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/189600/chart_3.jpg

And here’s the full list of players Detroit drafted in 98 and 99 (the years Datsyuk and Zberg were drafted). There's no denying that they were both great late-draft steals, but given the other players selected by Detroit before and after, you could argue that they just got lucky. Really really lucky.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/189603/chart_4.jpg

[Snoogans]

Chris Chelios is done in Detroit (http://www.detnews.com/article/20090622/SPORTS0103/906220402/1361/Red-Wings-will-not-re-sign-Chris-Chelios)

he could always go back to his old team:
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[denko]

Would Tampa take Duchene at 2 if Tavares went 1? They need help with their defence more than they need another centre. I think the Avs would be in good shape with either Duchene or Hedman.

don't forget that tampa picked up one of the bruins top defense prospects, matt lashoff at the deadline and he stepped in and amlost immediately took on a top spot playing abot 22 mins per night. now whether that enough for them to build around back there, and roll the dice on another forward and let them dump a st louis or lecavalier this off season reamins to be seen. lashoff is solid and can get it done given tho opportunity.

[El Mudo]

don't forget that tampa picked up one of the bruins top defense prospects, matt lashoff at the deadline and he stepped in and amlost immediately took on a top spot playing abot 22 mins per night. now whether that enough for them to build around back there, and roll the dice on another forward and let them dump a st louis or lecavalier this off season reamins to be seen. lashoff is solid and can get it done given tho opportunity.

I hated that deal when the B's made it, and I still hate it today.


The fact that Lashoff stepped in and IMMEDIATELY became TB's top DMan indicates to me there is a really really really big problem there with defence, and adding Hedman is their best move IMO. It shows you how much those retards shot themselves in the foot by getting rid of Dan Boyle for Matt Carle (who they almost immediately turned around for Steve Eminger, who played there most of the year, and then they dealt him to Florida, so they pretty much traded Boyle and ended up with Noah Welch, Steve Downie and a 3rd Round pick....eeeesh).

Right now, TB's defencemen are

Meszaros (who they gave Boyle's money to for some reason, after deciding Boyle cost too much)

Paul Ranger
Lukas Krajicek (who's an RFA)
Lashoff (who's an RFA)
Matt Smaby (who's a UFA)
Welch (who's a UFA)
Marek Malik (UFA)
Josef Melichar (UFA)
Cory Murphy (UFA)

St. Louis still has another two years left on his deal. I think they have a decent set of forwards with him, Vinny, and Stamkos (who really came on as the year progressed last year) and some decent role players like Malone and Halpern (if his knee isn't still a mess), but with a defence that's littered with those names above, it only makes too much sense for them to take Hedman...he's better than defenceman they have right now, by a long shot

In a related note, the Barrie/Koules partnership may be over with....they're meeting today with Commissioner Bettman to decide who has control over personnel decisions for the franchise

Link (http://www.tampabay.com/sports/hockey/lightning/article1012505.ece)

[nate1000]

http://www.spincc.com/proofs/mario/image002.jpg
http://www.spincc.com/proofs/mario/image006.jpg
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[El Mudo]

http://www.spincc.com/proofs/mario/image002.jpg
http://www.spincc.com/proofs/mario/image006.jpg
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My favourite:

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nhl_experts__34/ept_sports_nhl_experts-762082503-1245442892.jpg?ymMdYcBDb_hY6vfy

(that's Sid, btw)

[El Mudo]

Looks like the Winter Classic at Fenway is going to be Philadelphia and Boston (http://www3.allaroundphilly.com/blogs/delcotimes/anthonys/blog.html)

The league wanted Washington, NBC wanted Philadelphia...NBC wins

[Donnie Iris]

My favourite:

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nhl_experts__34/ept_sports_nhl_experts-762082503-1245442892.jpg?ymMdYcBDb_hY6vfy

(that's Sid, btw)

You can't see it in any of those pics, but Lemieux's pool seemed surprisingly modest in comparison to his mansion/castle. In 91-92 they broke it wasted in his pool the night they won it. This party seemed a bit more tame and family oriented.

That being said, I saw a bunch of the guys out last weekend. Fleury, Kennedy, and Kunitz were at the bar that I happened to be in that evening. They literally are gods around here now. They shut down Carson St. (main bar drag in the southside) when Fluery and Crosby carried the cup on top of this truck and were mobbed by hundreds of people. This was like a week after they won.

[El Mudo]

You can't see it in any of those pics, but Lemieux's pool seemed surprisingly modest in comparison to his mansion/castle. In 91-92 they broke it wasted in his pool the night they won it. This party seemed a bit more tame and family oriented.

That being said, I saw a bunch of the guys out last weekend. Fleury, Kennedy, and Kunitz were at the bar that I happened to be in that evening. They literally are gods around here now. They shut down Carson St. (main bar drag in the southside) when Fluery and Crosby carried the cup on top of this truck and were mobbed by hundreds of people. This was like a week after they won.

I love that story! From what i've read, Lemieux and Phil Bourque were so hammered they threw the Cup off the roof into the pool and dented it.

[Donnie Iris]

"Game 7 of the Stanley Cup final June 12 drew a 42.2 rating in Pittsburgh, making it the highest local rating for an NHL game since the league started tracking local ratings in 1995.

The game also drew a 61 share -- meaning 61 percent of all televisions in the Pittsburgh region that were on that night were tuned to the Penguins' 2-1 victory in Game 7 against the Detroit Red Wings.

The game was televised nationally by NBC and carried locally by WPXI. The broadcast peaked with one quarter-hour rating of 54.6 and a quarter-hour share of 73."



http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09176/979782-61.stm#ixzz0JS9A7EHn&D

[disneyspy]

im bummed,found out today that cuz of the olympics the wings will only be town for 3 days and wont have their annual outing at my course this fall

[cougarjake13]

"Game 7 of the Stanley Cup final June 12 drew a 42.2 rating in Pittsburgh, making it the highest local rating for an NHL game since the league started tracking local ratings in 1995.

The game also drew a 61 share -- meaning 61 percent of all televisions in the Pittsburgh region that were on that night were tuned to the Penguins' 2-1 victory in Game 7 against the Detroit Red Wings.

The game was televised nationally by NBC and carried locally by WPXI. The broadcast peaked with one quarter-hour rating of 54.6 and a quarter-hour share of 73."



http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09176/979782-61.stm#ixzz0JS9A7EHn&D


sounds like what the pirates get all year

[spoon]

NHL Draft Day!

Shit, the Avs have a shot at even Tavares as of the latest rumors. Some say the Isles are going Duchene now, and that probably means Hedman to TB and Tavares to Colorado. Seriously, I'm not sure which of these three I want more, but I'm stoked to get one of them!

[NickyL0885]

NHL Draft Day!

Shit, the Avs have a shot at even Tavares as of the latest rumors. Some say the Isles are going Duchene now, and that probably means Hedman to TB and Tavares to Colorado. Seriously, I'm not sure which of these three I want more, but I'm stoked to get one of them!

It better not be Duchene. TSN plans to show fan reaction at the Coli. If JT isn't the pick, you will see the Coli being burnt down. People will storm out like year. By the time they interview Duchene over the video board, 5 people will be left.

[spoon]

It better not be Duchene. TSN plans to show fan reaction at the Coli. If JT isn't the pick, you will see the Coli being burnt down. People will storm out like year. By the time they interview Duchene over the video board, 5 people will be left.

Since when were the Islander fans out there considered such draft gurus. They simply have their heart set on Tav, and in reality all three top picks should be awesome in little time. Burke of Toronto has tried daily to trade for the number 1 pick to no avail, yet he is convinced Snow and the Isle are going with Duchene. The kid really is good, and Snow hasn't ever seemingly been influenced by the fans over the years. And hey, fuck them, this team is moving to KC in 2010 anyway! :wink:

[NickyL0885]

Since when were the Islander fans out there considered such draft gurus. They simply have their heart set on Tav, and in reality all three top picks should be awesome in little time. Burke of Toronto has tried daily to trade for the number 1 pick to no avail, yet he is convinced Snow and the Isle are going with Duchene. The kid really is good, and Snow hasn't ever seemingly been influenced by the fans over the years. And hey, fuck them, this team is moving to KC in 2010 anyway! :wink:

We got Duchene last year. His name is Josh Bailey.

[El Mudo]

We got Duchene last year. His name is Josh Bailey.


Which is why they should pick Hedman...and then use that 26 million in cap space they have to sign the Sedins.

Can you imagine that (potential) team in a few years with the Sedins, Okposo, Bailey, and Hedman and Streit running the PP?? That's a damn good team.

[NickyL0885]

Which is why they should pick Hedman...and then use that 26 million in cap space they have to sign the Sedins.

Can you imagine that (potential) team in a few years with the Sedins, Okposo, Bailey, and Hedman and Streit running the PP?? That's a damn good team.

Only issue there is that Isles would need to overpay to get the twins to play here.

[El Mudo]

Only issue there is that Isles would need to overpay to get the twins to play here.

You could get em for five/five and a half apiece, which is a pretty good deal for two really really good players

[SonicAssault]

Has anyone heard any confirmation to the rumors that Philly is looking to sign both Emery and Robert Esche. I know that the Emery deal is pretty much done just waiting to officially announce it after the first. But the esche rumor i haven't heard much else about but i was out of the country for awhile.

[El Mudo]

Has anyone heard any confirmation to the rumors that Philly is looking to sign both Emery and Robert Esche. I know that the Emery deal is pretty much done just waiting to officially announce it after the first. But the esche rumor i haven't heard much else about but i was out of the country for awhile.


Theyve already signed Emery (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20090612_Gonzo___Will_Emery_need_a_net_.html)


I haven't heard anything about Esche either, other than that they've talked to him and possibly could sign him to back up Emery.

From my quick reading about Esche now, he's still under contract to his KHL team, and they won't let him go without some form of compensation/replacement

[SonicAssault]

Thanks Mudo Thats the first I heard of the contract with the khl hopefully they can sign them both, if nothing else it would surely be one of the roughest goaltending tandems ever. Would certainly take it back to the good old days of Hextall and such. And there wouldn't be too much net crashing with either of those two.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

I hope the Avs get "stuck" with Hedman.

[spoon]

2009 NHL Draft in 5 minutes on Versus!!

[spoon]

You could get em for five/five and a half apiece, which is a pretty good deal for two really really good players

Blah. I wouldn't put my money in those light playing cunts. They play iffy d and look like pussies only playing together. What are you 10?!

[denko]

WOOOO!!!

lets go bruins... move kessel tonight...

[spoon]

Man, who will the Avs go with!?

No matter what the top three are considered can't misses, even though stranger things have happened.

Hedman?
Tavares? (Probably the worst shot.)
Duchene? (The favorite unless you believe Burke.)


Also, there should be some HUGE trades this year. Heatley, Toronto overall and Kaberle to Boston for Kessel, Lecav finally moved or St. Louis, Pronger already possibly to Philly?, sooooo much out there.

[denko]

pronger to philly?


FUCK!!!! i would LOVE kabrele for kessel


god damn it!

[spoon]

Avs looking to move Smyth, Liles or Hannan......damn I hope it's Hannan. Move fucking Tucker (asshole) for a bag of pucks while you're at it.

[spoon]

pronger to philly?


FUCK!!!! i would LOVE kabrele for kessel


god damn it!

I'd like to take Rask off ur hands. :innocent:

[denko]

i think the B's are looking at a move him or lose him deal with kessel... damn that would have been nice.

[spoon]

HA!

The Coliseum on the Isle filled for the first time all year!

:lol:

[denko]

I'd like to take Rask off ur hands. :innocent:


i think he's the next one in line, though i heard that with raycroft and toivanen. bruins go through goalies like the R&F show goes throu producers

[spoon]

i think the B's are looking at a move him or lose him deal with kessel... damn that would have been nice.

I never liked that Lasoff D man move, even if you got some decent work out of those old legs in the trade.

[NickyL0885]

im waiting for the isles to fuck up. its a few minutes away.....

[spoon]

im waiting for the isles to fuck up. its a few minutes away.....

Trade the pick for statehood!

[denko]

I never liked that Lasoff D man move, even if you got some decent work out of those old legs in the trade.

they were looking to fill the sturm spot, left hand shot. he scored some big goals gets paid shit money and i'd love to have him [recchi] back next year. he rules in front of the net. bruins have plenty of D. and lashoff was their man until hunwick came up and played great.

[spoon]

Bettman, what a drip!

He so needs to go.

[PhishHead]

Bettman, what a drip!

He so needs to go.

I will take him out for ya!

[spoon]

they were looking to fill the sturm spot, left hand shot. he scored some big goals gets paid shit money and i'd love to have him [recchi] back next year. he rules in front of the net. bruins have plenty of D. and lashoff was their man until hunwick came up and played great.

I still don't like it.

[denko]

Bettman, what a drip!

He so needs to go.


i'd trade him right now straight up to get micheal jackson back.

[spoon]

I will take him out for ya!

Oh he does live up there somewhere.....DO IT!

[spoon]

i'd trade him right now straight up to get micheal jackson back.

I'd trade him for Natalie Halloway's corpse.

[spoon]

Here we go!

4th time, ha!

U suck lleeder.

[sailor]

At the devils draft party at the prudential center. Really hope the islanders don't fuck this up, but I'm sure they'll find a way.

[denko]

isles have 5 picks in the first3 rounds?

they're making big moves tonight

FUCK MONTREAL AND PICK ALREADY!!!

[spoon]

All three are hoping NOT to be picked.

[NickyL0885]

Yesssssss!!!! John Tavares!!!!!!


Someone Kiss Me!!!

[spoon]

Duchene is now officially an Av!

I want to fuck Tavares's sisters!

[spoon]

Congrats go out to the KC Islanders. Already making better moves since the proposed move!

[lleeder]

Here we go!

4th time, ha!

U suck lleeder.

Thats not very nice. I was gonna go to the coliseum but my daughter wouldn't let me.

[spoon]

WOW PHILLY!

WAY TOO MUCH!

Bad move in my mind EASY.

[spoon]

Ha, this guy sounds like Steve Buscemi.

[denko]

WOW PHILLY!

WAY TOO MUCH!

Bad move in my mind EASY.


i concur

[spoon]

After Hedman got picked, they showed Duchene and he mouthed the words "Avs, YES!" to a friend behind him. I like that a lot, now he'll have to come through and give us some freaking offense!!! (and D)

[spoon]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y123/jerryfromdenver/duce.jpg

Matt Duchene as a kid!

NICE!

[NickyL0885]

Now, what will the Isles do with the 26th pick. I think they move up to the 20-23 range. Prob take a D-man. I say take another scorer

[spoon]

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb246/baybeebo222/Avalanche.gif

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[spoon]

WOW,

Lupul, Sbisa, 21st in 2009, 2010 first rounder and a 3rd rounder!?

WTF!?

[spoon]

Evander Kane goes 4th to the Thrashers.

Is this the highest ever for an African American player?

I'm pretty sure it is.

Congrats to him.

[denko]

fuck... bruins need to start wheelin and dealin baby... LETS GO!

[Gvac]

Evander Kane goes 4th to the Thrashers.

Is this the highest ever for an African American player?

I'm pretty sure it is.

Congrats to him.

He's not American, Mr. Politically Correct.

[Gvac]

I'm glad the Isles didn't fuck up and went with the obvious choice.

I hope Duchene is a bust.

[spoon]

He's not American, Mr. Politically Correct.

Ha, good point!

He's Canigger.

[spoon]

fuck... bruins need to start wheelin and dealin baby... LETS GO!

Well, the Isle continue to make noise....they moved up 10 spots from 26th to 16th in a trade yet to be totally detailed with Columbus.

[denko]

Well, the Isle continue to make noise....they moved up 10 spots from 26th to 16th in a trade yet to be totally detailed with Columbus.


so they just threw up the rest of their picks to move up 10 spots and a 3rd rounder?

[spoon]

Wow they just announced the rest of that trade....oooof.

Not sure those 10 spots were worth it.

[NickyL0885]

Wow they just announced the rest of that trade....oooof.

Not sure those 10 spots were worth it.

trade? what happened? FILL ME IN!!!

[NickyL0885]

it’s a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th for a better 1st and a lower 4th. not bad. Isles still have 2 2nds, and 2 3rds. the 4th rounder is just a lower pick. We still have pick 31, which is the first pick of the second round.

[denko]

so brian burke turned down schenn + 7 for the No. 1?

[NickyL0885]

rumor is that Tampa might trade Vinny Lacavalier to the Islanders. Could be possible. maybe thats why the isles moved up so high.

[MHasegawa]

Magnus Paajarvi Svenson, this kid looks 14.

[Gvac]

Alright, I'm out.

It's the same with every draft for me, whether it's the NHL, NFL, or MLB.

Starts out exciting as hell, and then just bores me to tears.

[spoon]

it’s a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th for a better 1st and a lower 4th. not bad. Isles still have 2 2nds, and 2 3rds. the 4th rounder is just a lower pick. We still have pick 31, which is the first pick of the second round.

Look at it this way though...

The Islanders have acquired the 16th and 77th selections this year for the 26th, 37th, 62nd and 92nd picks.

To me, that's just not worth it AT ALL bc the players after 10 can be anywhere and there will be plenty there at 26. You now have two less picks and truly only got ten spots on it. If they didn't have the extra picks, this trade would have been way worse no doubt....still.

[spoon]

Alright, I'm out.

It's the same with every draft for me, whether it's the NHL, NFL, or MLB.

Starts out exciting as hell, and then just bores me to tears.

Go watch soccer you fag!

[MHasegawa]

i wanna draft Charles Wang's fatass child

[NickyL0885]

Isles traded up again to 12. they take...a dman........wow......total left field pick.

[spoon]

i wanna draft Charles Wang's fatass child

I'm pretty sure he made those last few moves. Wow, wtf did they do that for!? They probably could have got him with the 26th pick! What a waste.

[spoon]

Isles traded up again to 12. they take...a dman........wow......total left field pick.

Who they could have got at 26th probably.

[MHasegawa]

yeah i hate how those jackasses at PBP desk are praising Garth Snow as a genius, gimme a break

[denko]

pronger didn't seem happy about going to philly

[MHasegawa]

pronger didn't seem happy about going to philly

let's play the violin for that cocksucker

[weekapaugjz]

anyone ever heard of anything about this kassian kid the sabres picked up? i don't know shit about the draft prospects this year.

[MHasegawa]

Ha so Sutter leaves the Devils and trades picks with them

[TheGameHHH]

The broadcasters seem to like the guy the Devils just took, though they said they prob. wont be able to keep Madden. I didnt know his contract was up this year

[El Mudo]

Blah. I wouldn't put my money in those light playing cunts. They play iffy d and look like pussies only playing together. What are you 10?!



They're really really good (http://www.fromtherink.com/2009/4/18/843358/why-the-sedins-have-arrived-as)


# Daniel and Henrik both finished with 82 points, good enough to be tied for 13th in the NHL during the season.
# Putting aside the limitations of plus-minus for the moment, they also finished 14th and 17th among forwards in that category as well.
# The only players Daniel had fewer even-strength points than this season were Malkin, Ovechkin, Crosby, Parise, Datsyuk and Havlat. Add Iginla to the list for those ahead of Henrik

That's pretty impressive.

Consider, too, that the Sedins have for the most part been rolled out against other teams' top lines (with a varied group of linemates) and that puts them in a class with some of the best players in the NHL.




Consider the fact that they also turned this guy into a 30 goal scorer

http://blackhockey.com/hockey/uploads/anson_carter.jpg


10.5 combined for two guys who put up 80+ points a year? I'm making that deal in a heartbeat

pronger to philly?


FUCK!!!! i would LOVE kabrele for kessel


god damn it!

How does Philly make this work Cap wise? They've got to move Briere, but those retards signed him to such a massive contract I can't think of anyone who would take it. I HATED that Briere contract when they signed it.

Those guys in Anaheim ALWAYS wanted a ton for Pronger. They wanted Alzner, Varlamov and picks when the Caps were trying to get him, which they (wisely) turned down. They just found someone stupid enough to trade a ton for him.

Magnus Paajarvi Svenson, this kid looks 14.

I love him because he has 3 umlauts in his name

so brian burke turned down schenn + 7 for the No. 1?

As he should have. Schenn is a monster, and their best Dman, and he may have had a revolt among his fan base if he had dealt him. Why cripple your D to get Tavares? It would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

But man oh man....would Tampa have been something with Hedman and Schenn back there....goodness.

[keithy_19]

The broadcasters seem to like the guy the Devils just took, though they said they prob. wont be able to keep Madden. I didnt know his contract was up this year

During the playoffs Madden gave me the same vibe that Gomez had before he left. I think he'll end up in Detroit possibly. He's really good friends with Rafalski.

And woo for the salary cap being increased. Wasn't expecting that.

[Gvac]

Think there's enough pressure on this Tavares kid?

This is the front page of the Islanders web site -

http://cdn.nhl.com/islanders/images/upload/2009/06/SPLASHplayer01_01.jpg

[NickyL0885]

Think there's enough pressure on this Tavares kid?

This is the front page of the Islanders web site -

http://cdn.nhl.com/islanders/images/upload/2009/06/SPLASHplayer01_01.jpg

I LOVE IT!!!! Can't wait till the season starts. I'm gonna have to get me a jersey.

[TheGameHHH]

During the playoffs Madden gave me the same vibe that Gomez had before he left. I think he'll end up in Detroit possibly. He's really good friends with Rafalski.

And woo for the salary cap being increased. Wasn't expecting that.

yea, i guess i just knew Gomez was going. I had no idea Madden is close to leaving. and why even raise the cap if youre only going to raise it by $100,000? that just seems like a silly number to me.

[El Mudo]

During the playoffs Madden gave me the same vibe that Gomez had before he left. I think he'll end up in Detroit possibly. He's really good friends with Rafalski.

And woo for the salary cap being increased. Wasn't expecting that.

Eh...it was only raised by 100,000, so its pretty much staying where it was


Jay Bouwmeester's rights have been traded to Calgary for Jordan Leopolds rights and a 3rd Round Pick

[spoon]

Eh...it was only raised by 100,000, so its pretty much staying where it was


Jay Bouwmeester's rights have been traded to Calgary for Jordan Leopolds rights and a 3rd Round Pick

Amazing how much more the f'n flames got for Leopold! Thank GOD they cleaned house in Colorado, even if finances are a part of it. I just hope Bouwmeester doesn't end up signing there! I'm sure they have it all but lined up already. I know, I know...but one can hope bc I'm not looking forward to trying to score on this team next year. Think about it, Phaneuf, Bouwmeester, Regehr backed by f'n Kipper who is sure to rebound even without this D in front of them.

[spoon]

Oh and I truly didn't think I could hate ESPN any more than I did, but it wasn't the case. Today I was working on some reports and had Sports Center on for their 1.5 hours sports rundown. The NHL draft got a 20 second mention at the VERY END of the program. The program ended at 7:30, it was 7:29 when they attempted to cover it and gave more time to the hosts signing off.

It's one thing to back off bc you don't have the contract, it's another to put garbage on in front of it, not covering it and purely dropping the ball on an interesting bit of sports news. Sure it's not a lead story or even CLOSE to the NFL draft, but it is sports news with some pretty big stories in there (Pronger & Bouwmeester trades, Toronto's inability to get there move and forfeited pick at 118, the top ten picks and many others). It really is simply weak.

[TheGameHHH]

Oh and I truly didn't think I could hate ESPN any more than I did, but it wasn't the case. Today I was working on some reports and had Sports Center on for their 1.5 hours sports rundown. The NHL draft got a 20 second mention at the VERY END of the program. The program ended at 7:30, it was 7:29 when they attempted to cover it and gave more time to the hosts signing off.

It's one thing to back off bc you don't have the contract, it's another to put garbage on in front of it, not covering it and purely dropping the ball on an interesting bit of sports news. Sure it's not a lead story or even CLOSE to the NFL draft, but it is sports news with some pretty big stories in there (Pronger & Bouwmeester trades, Toronto's inability to get there move and forfeited pick at 118, the top ten picks and many others). It really is simply weak.

Even when hockey is in season it feels like Sportscenter only gives Melrose 30 seconds every few days. ESPNEWS is slightly better though

[keithy_19]

Even when hockey is in season it feels like Sportscenter only gives Melrose 30 seconds every few days. ESPNEWS is slightly better though

Eh. Slightly. I hate sportscenter.

[keithy_19]

yea, i guess i just knew Gomez was going. I had no idea Madden is close to leaving. and why even raise the cap if youre only going to raise it by $100,000? that just seems like a silly number to me.

It's not a big raise at all, but all the talk seemed to be about how it was going to go down. So the fact it even got raised a little is a good thing.

[razorboy]

I couldn't be any happier with getting Hedman. Tavares is as one dimensional as they come. He'll be a great PP'er and he'll be great in front of the net, but he can't skate for shit and he doesn't have move one on the opposite end of the ice. Duchene and Kane are by far the most complete forwards in this draft, but Hedman is by far the most complete overall player in this draft.

[spoon]

I couldn't be any happier with getting Hedman. Tavares is as one dimensional as they come. He'll be a great PP'er and he'll be great in front of the net, but he can't skate for shit and he doesn't have move one on the opposite end of the ice. Duchene and Kane are by far the most complete forwards in this draft, but Hedman is by far the most complete overall player in this draft.

While there is some truth to this, Tavares has plenty of potential on D and actually played pretty well in both ends for Canada in their last championship run (which he had a LOT to do with). Also, Tavares is EXACTLY what they needed on Long Island to save it's fanchise and get a new venue. I bet we'll soon be hearing about the new proposed arena very shortly, and by this I mean within his first two years barring a HUGE escalation in our economic situation. This kid, d development or not, will pair soooo well with Okposo that I think he'll easily get around twice as many points as last year. I think they did the right thing in picking an offensive specialist being that Streit led the team in points as a defenseman by 17 fucking points. This team is truly an offensive black hole, and now they have a catalyst and a few other young guys ready to help out.

Truth be told, I think all three first picks are the perfect fit in terms of need for each. Sure any of them would work for either, but all three hit the top needs of their teams as well as possible based on both need and talent available.

[NickyL0885]

While there is some truth to this, Tavares has plenty of potential on D and actually played pretty well in both ends for Canada in their last championship run (which he had a LOT to do with). Also, Tavares is EXACTLY what they needed on Long Island to save it's fanchise and get a new venue. I bet we'll soon be hearing about the new proposed arena very shortly, and by this I mean within his first two years barring a HUGE escalation in our economic situation. This kid, d development or not, will pair soooo well with Okposo that I think he'll easily get around twice as many points as last year. I think they did the right thing in picking an offensive specialist being that Streit led the team in points as a defenseman by 17 fucking points. This team is truly an offensive black hole, and now they have a catalyst and a few other young guys ready to help out.

Truth be told, I think all three first picks are the perfect fit in terms of need for each. Sure any of them would work for either, but all three hit the top needs of their teams as well as possible based on both need and talent available.


I was going to say the same. As far as Tavares skating ability, The same was said about Zach Parise. You think the Devils are regretting that pick?

[El Mudo]

USA Hockey's invitational camp roster (http://www.usahockey.com/Template_Usahockey.aspx?NAV=TU_01_01_05&id=264078)

2009 U.S. Olympic Men's Ice Hockey Orientation Camp Roster


Goaltenders: Ryan Miller, Jonathan Quick, Tim Thomas
Defensemen: Tom Gilbert, Tim Gleason, Ron Hainsey, Erik Johnson, Jack Johnson, Mike Komisarek, Paul Martin, Brooks Orpik, Brian Rafalski, Rob Scuderi, Ryan Suter, Ryan Whitney
Forwards: David Backes, David Booth, Dustin Brown, Dustin Byfuglien, Ryan Callahan, Chris Drury, Scott Gomez, Patrick Kane, Ryan Kesler, Phil Kessel, Jamie Langenbrunner, Ryan Malone, Mike Modano, Kyle Okposo, T.J. Oshie, Zach Parise, Joe Pavelski, Bobby Ryan, Paul Stastny.

Unfotunately, we're the 4th horse (at best) in a 3 horse race...no way we beat the Russians, Canadians, or Swedes

[NickyL0885]

When does the season schedule come out?

[keithy_19]

http://canadiens.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=432298&navid=DL|NHL|Home

[keithy_19]

http://devils.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=432232

:clap:

[El Mudo]

http://canadiens.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=432298&navid=DL|NHL|Home



I don't understand this deal at all from MTL's perspective. They gave up Higgins (who's an RFA, but still), and took on Gomez' massive salary for the next two years.

Its like Bob Gainey is trying to turn the Habs into the NHL's version of the Knicks

Rangers win this one...handily


EDIT: Its going around that the Gomez deal was to get NYR in position to get Heatley

Link (http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2009/06/30/gomer-a-goner/)

UPDATED, 5:31 P.M.: I’ve been told that Heatley is coming to the Rangers tonight. Not sure what the Rangers are giving up to get him, but they can fit him under the cap now.

[Gvac]

When does the season schedule come out?

Usually mid-July.

[epo]

I heard today at the gym that the Detroit Red Wings are changing their colors to pink to move accurately represent their style of play and "questionable" fan base.

[Gvac]

I heard today at the gym that the Detroit Red Wings are changing their colors to pink to move accurately represent their style of play and "questionable" fan base.

You mother fucker!!!

[El Mudo]

They also sent NYR the best prospect in their system (McDonagh) in that deal....


*slow whistle*

[Gvac]

Tavares is as one dimensional as they come. He'll be a great PP'er and he'll be great in front of the net, but he can't skate for shit

I honestly wish I had a dollar for every prospect that supposedly couldn't skate who turned out to be a stud, a la Luc Robitaille or Brett Hull.

[keithy_19]

EDIT: Its going around that the Gomez deal was to get NYR in position to get Heatley

Link (http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2009/06/30/gomer-a-goner/)

The Rangers love getting players who know other organization wants, like Avery and Heatley.

[TheGameHHH]

hahaha, peace out Gomer....couldnt have happened to a nicer guy.

[NickyL0885]

I just hope the Isles can sign one of Komisarek, Scuderi or Beuchamin tomorrow. We def are going to sign a goalie, I prefer Craig Anderson or Marty Biron. And maybe a scoring forward on the cheap. Maybe Garth will get lucky like he did with Mark Striet last year.

[El Mudo]

Flames sign Jay Bouwmeester (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283345)


His agent is retarded....how do you not let that guy test the market?

[PD]

EDIT: Its going around that the Gomez deal was to get NYR in position to get Heatley

Link (http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2009/06/30/gomer-a-goner/)

Looks like Heatley to go elsewhere, probably Edmonton.

[SonicAssault]

Don't know if this link has been posted here before but thought some the hockey fans here might find it interesting


http://http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/05/14/exclusive-kevin-smith-making-hockey-movie-with-mitch-albom-based-on-warren-zevon-song-hit-somebody/

[NickyL0885]

According to TSN and Sportnet.ca, the Ottawa Senators have traded forward Dany Heatley to the Edmonton Oilers for forwards Andrew Cogliano, Dustin Penner and defenseman Ladislav Smid.

Heatley had requested a trade from Ottawa and will have to waive a no-trade clause for the deal to be finalized.

[MHasegawa]

According to TSN and Sportnet.ca, the Ottawa Senators have traded forward Dany Heatley to the Edmonton Oilers for forwards Andrew Cogliano, Dustin Penner and defenseman Ladislav Smid.

Heatley had requested a trade from Ottawa and will have to waive a no-trade clause for the deal to be finalized.

:thumbdown::wallbash::thumbdown::wallbash:


Something tells me we won't see the Dany Heatley that scored 105 points 3 seasons ago, I can't believe that being an Oiler will spark his offense.

[keithy_19]

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=432360

Sucks for Ottawa.

[El Mudo]

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=432360

Sucks for Ottawa.


He didn't outright reject it, so it can still go through (he just refused to waive it). I think he's trying to see how many other deals are out there, and possibly come back to that one if there's nothing else better.

Link (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283382)

[ihaveabadmonkey]

I think this is making Heatley look like an asshole. He says he wants to get traded, the team finds a trade for him and its still not good enough.

[El Mudo]

The Sedins have reupped with Vancouver (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283415)

5 and 6.1 apiece

[weekapaugjz]

sabres aren't gonna do shit today. regier said he might do something with trades but stay away from signings. plus, the sabres don't have shit to trade. who wants afinogenov or tallinder anyway?

[TonyStark]

Flames sign Jay Bouwmeester (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283345)


His agent is retarded....how do you not let that guy test the market?

I sort of agree, but $6.68 per year is an ass-load of money, he did pretty well for himself.


Plus Calgary is going to be really, really good next year I'm sure he wanted a team where he had a shot at the cup.

[El Mudo]

I sort of agree, but $6.68 per year is an ass-load of money, he did pretty well for himself.


Plus Calgary is going to be really, really good next year I'm sure he wanted a team where he had a shot at the cup.



I disagree about CGY...they've got close to 40 million dollars wrapped up in Bouwmeester, Jokinen, Iginla, Kiprusoff, Langkow, Phaneuf and Regher....thats an awful lot of money wrapped up in those 7 guys (they can only pay the rest of the guys they have left an average of a little over a million apiece....thankfully for them they were able to dump Jim Vandermeer's awful contract on the Coyotes). Plus, they're going to lose Cammalleri today, so where does the secondary scoring come from outside of Iginla? Jokinen was a major bust for them last year. And can they really expect Kiprusoff to keep playing 75 games a year?

At this point, I put them behind Vancouver in that division, and if EDM can get themselves Heatley (and dump Penner's awful contract at the same time), I'll put them behind them too.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

When they made those deals at the deadline last season was supposed to put them over the top, and they shit the bed.

[El Mudo]

When they made those deals at the deadline last season was supposed to put them over the top, and they shit the bed.


There cap was so bad at the end of last year they had to intentionally play with fewer guys on the bench


Its noon....here we go

[weekapaugjz]

sabres aren't gonna do shit today. regier said he might do something with trades but stay away from signings. plus, the sabres don't have shit to trade. who wants afinogenov or tallinder anyway?

i'm an idiot. afinogenov is an UFA. i've always liked him because he brought some excitement at times, but man, is he a frustrating player to watch most of the time.

[El Mudo]

Mattias Ohlund to Tampa

[weekapaugjz]

mudo, what site are you following?

[El Mudo]

mudo, what site are you following?



I'm actually following three...

Im refreshing TSN's main page every so often

For my Caps news, I'm sticking with JapersRink (www.japersrink.com)


And for up to the minute stuff, i'm following the live twitter feed/chatter box on Puck Daddy

Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Puck-Daddy-s-2009-Free-Agent-Frenzy-Chatter-Box?urn=nhl,174049)

[El Mudo]

Also, SB Nation has an entire hub dedicated to the Free Agency subject

Link (http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/freeagency)

[El Mudo]

Seven years is an awful lot to commit to Mattias Ohlund (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283419)

[El Mudo]

TSN is saying Hossa is close to signing with Chicago

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Hossa playing along side Kane.
Upgrade over Havlet for sure.

[El Mudo]

Hossa playing along side Kane.
Upgrade over Havlet for sure.


Would be pretty sweet for them if they can find a way to work it under the Cap. They're carrying two really bad contracts right now between Huet and Campbell, and Kane and Toews are RFAs after this season coming up (as is Duncan Keith)


There's also a rumour going around that the Habs have re signed Kovalev

[ihaveabadmonkey]

How long before the Rangers spend 7 mil a season for a 3rd line center to fill Gomez shoes.

[El Mudo]

2 years, 8.8 for Kovalev from the Habs (still unconfirmed)


They've also extended offers to Havlat, Gaborik, and Hossa

[El Mudo]

Looks like Colton Orr is headed to Toronto...

Somewhere Gwen is dropping a tear

[El Mudo]

Pavel Kubina traded to Atlanta


(unconfirmed) reports of Craig Anderson to Colorado

Florida re signs John Wilkes Booth to a six year deal

[ihaveabadmonkey]

what the hell are the avs doing? this is there upgrade in net? they better hope that swede signs with them or its another top3 pick next season.

[NickyL0885]

rumor is Isles put in offer for Mike Komisarek. They would then trade someone like Andy Sutton to make room. I hope it happens.

[El Mudo]

Hossa to chicago is a done deal


*slow whistle*

[El Mudo]

Craig Anderson to Avs is now confirmed...two years, 1.8 per

[PhishHead]

Hossa to chicago is a done deal


*slow whistle*

Where did you read that? I just read Hossa signed with Lightning for 32 million

[ihaveabadmonkey]

This new Avs GM is just as bad as the last.

[El Mudo]

Where did you read that? I just read Hossa signed with Lightning for 32 million



Elliotte Friedman of CBC, and Darren Dreger of TSN both reported it

[PhishHead]

Elliotte Friedman of CBC, and Darren Dreger of TSN both reported it

very weird, I wonder which one is true.

[El Mudo]

very weird, I wonder which one is true.


LeBrun just reported the Hawks deal too....12 and 5.2 per


Link (www.espn.com/nhl)

[PhishHead]

LeBrun just reported the Hawks deal too....12 and 5.2 per


Link (www.espn.com/nhl)

was just about to post that.

12 year deal seems way too long for him.

[El Mudo]

was just about to post that.

12 year deal seems way too long for him.



Its probably front loaded (as are most of these long contracts that guys like Franzen and Zetterberg are signing these days).

Hawks main problem now is to clear the Cap space...they're apparently close to moving Huet, but who takes that salary, and who does Chicago get to put in net since its pretty obvious Khabibulin's not coming back?

[PhishHead]

Its probably front loaded (as are most of these long contracts that guys like Franzen and Zetterberg are signing these days).

Hawks main problem now is to clear the Cap space...they're apparently close to moving Huet, but who takes that salary, and who does Chicago get to put in net since its pretty obvious Khabibulin's not coming back?

do they have any prospects they can move to net? Maybe in the trade for huet they get a goalie back?

[El Mudo]

do they have any prospects they can move to net? Maybe in the trade for huet they get a goalie back?


Right now, there's nothing there but Huet and Antti Niemi (who's played all of 3 games). Maybe Corey Crawford (who also has very little experience)

I know there would be some teams interested in Huet, but its his salary that's so prohibitive. He's owed 5.6 a year over the next two years, and I'm not sure a lot of teams would want to invest that in a guy that really isn't all that good

[El Mudo]

Dreger's saying the first 7 years of the Hossa deal are really front loaded (53 million)

The Hawks now have 8 guys making 34 million dollars combined, and that doesn't include Toews, Kane, or Keith, all of whom have to be resigned after the coming season

[El Mudo]

The Islanders have signed Dwayne Roloson

[El Mudo]

Sabres have signed Steve Montador

[ihaveabadmonkey]

The Islanders have signed Dwayne Roloson


Is the Dipietro experiment over?

[El Mudo]

Is the Dipietro experiment over?

I wouldn't think so...Roloson's a million years old, and is on a two year deal


Here's the story from Newsday (http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islanders/blog/2009/07/islanders_agree_with_g_dwayne.html)


Signing a veteran starting goaltender solves their top priority, which was to have a 1A-caliber backup for starter Rick DiPietro in the event his injury problems continue.

[NickyL0885]

Is the Dipietro experiment over?

sorta......... They needed someone who can be a starter if DP goes down again. Last year it was guys who are backups/AHL starters. Instead they wanted someone who is a legit starter. Plus, they drafted 2 goalies in the draft just in case as well. But Garth was asked if he was preparing for life without DP and he did say yes. So, even though DP is apparently going to be ready this year, they are taking precautions.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Remember that time the NHL shut down because salaries were getting to high.

[El Mudo]

The Caps have signed Mike Knuble

[El Mudo]

TSN's also reporting the Rangers have signed Donald Brashear

EDIT: That deal's gone through....two years, 2.8 million (total)

[PD]

TSN's also reporting the Rangers have signed Donald Brashear

EDIT: That deal's gone through....two years, 2.8 million (total)

weird to me.
less years but more per year than Orr.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

weird to me.
less years but more per year than Orr.

You can put Brashear on the ice and he may actually provide some offense. Orr is just a goon. IMO

[El Mudo]

You can put Brashear on the ice and he may actually provide some offense. Orr is just a goon. IMO


Nah...Brash is done as a credible, every day player.

Honestly, I think he was killed by Wade Belak a few months ago, he just hasn't realized he's dead yet

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[PD]

You can put Brashear on the ice and he may actually provide some offense. Orr is just a goon. IMO

from one of the better bloggers in NY (Rick Carpiniello)
http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/

The Brashear numbers, according to TSN: Two years, $1.4 million per. So why the heck not just keep Colton Orr for $1 M per???? Brashear can’t play, is hated by Rangers fans, and violated the Rangers in the playoffs. Makes no sense to me.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

How funny would it be for Neidermeyer to sign someplace other than Anaheim after they traded away Pronger.

[El Mudo]

How funny would it be for Neidermeyer to sign someplace other than Anaheim after they traded away Pronger.



There were rumours he was going to sign with Jersey, but he's re upped with Anaheim

EDIT: 1 year 6 million.....yikes!

[ihaveabadmonkey]

well then forget everything i just said.

[El Mudo]

Reports that the Flyers have signed Brian Boucher

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Reports that the Flyers have signed Brian Boucher

Once wasn't enough? Another team with goaltending issues. I don't see Emery as the savior.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

How does Bob Gainey still have a job?

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Khabibulin to the Oilers

[nate1000]

Fuck. Hawks looked so good in the playoffs, now they have to overcome the Hossa curse.

[El Mudo]

Spacek and the USS Hal Gill to the Canadiens....looks like the Mike Komisarek era is over there

[spoon]

I heard today at the gym that the Detroit Red Wings are changing their colors to pink to move accurately represent their style of play and "questionable" fan base.

Well said. Harumph from Gvac!

[Fallon]

Craig Anderson to Avs is now confirmed...two years, 1.8 per

Now they'll never get Rask...

[spoon]

I honestly wish I had a dollar for every prospect that supposedly couldn't skate who turned out to be a stud, a la Luc Robitaille or Brett Hull.

Well way to go out and pick the top two that have ever had that lable pushed on them. Not to mention Luc had an awesome pair of hands of him to compensate, and Hull actually never did skate, he just played offense and watched the other side of the ice from just outside the offensive zone. He literally sat on the off wing all day in 90% of his games and utilized his main weapon, his shot. So yes, they ended up putting up some nice careers in terms of stats, but Hull especially didn't all of a sudden become a skating stud out there. Most of his teams worked around his weakness, putting the right guys out there with him since he refused to change his play.

[spoon]

I just hope the Isles can sign one of Komisarek, Scuderi or Beuchamin tomorrow. We def are going to sign a goalie, I prefer Craig Anderson or Marty Biron. And maybe a scoring forward on the cheap. Maybe Garth will get lucky like he did with Mark Striet last year.

Oooo, sorry. And I'm pretty happy with his mid-level to low-level priced contract and Budaj heading back to the backup bench. It's probably the best setup in order to wait for Cann or Kieran Millan and the rest of the BU crew the Avs drafted over the years. So it's up to Anderson (only 28) to prove he's a true #1 now, and I think he's at worst a mid pack goalie. We'll see soon enough, but he can't be worse than Raycroft or Theodore! That's right, Theodore Mudo...how'd that work out for you! :lol: I'd sit him for the rest of that bs contract as well and continue to develop something valued higher than a fucking orange construction cone.

[spoon]

Flames sign Jay Bouwmeester (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283345)


His agent is retarded....how do you not let that guy test the market?

Wow this is bad news, but expected. And it's not like he could have got that much more somewhere else as it's about 7 million a year for 5 here. He's just happy as shit to be out of Florida, as most people are whether or not they get a title elsewhere.

There is a possible hint here on another move being set up. This move good possibly be the first step to moving Phaneuf for Heatley, but we'll see. I personally would keep this D intact, bc NOBODY would want to play their big three in a 7 game series...especially if Kipper comes back to form behind them. Calgary has to be a top pick now for a big run at the Cup. Pitt vs Calg next year? Right now, that'd be my guess (barring further moves).

[spoon]

Nah...Brash is done as a credible, every day player.

Honestly, I think he was killed by Wade Belak a few months ago, he just hasn't realized he's dead yet

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Belak is a pussy too, so yes, Brashear is done. Playing at 37 you have to bring something of a role player mentality to the game, at this point, Brashear doesn't even have his fists. Usually, that's his main asset.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

I think Calgary is the 4th best team in the west behind Detroit, San Jose, and Chicago. But once the playoffs start you can count out the Sharks, Chicago may have goaltending troubles if they unload Huet's contract and well Detroit is Detroit.

[spoon]

Once wasn't enough? Another team with goaltending issues. I don't see Emery as the savior.

Not only is Anderson a very good move for the Avs, Emery is a very very good goalie with #1 abilities at the top quarter of the NHL. It's his mentality and teaming with his locker room outbursts that kill his value, not his abilities on the ice. The signing of Lappy in Philly will help control the locker room, but they'll need to get him in line REAL fast. Philly fans won't sit on his bs antics, but they will love a firery goalie as we've seen in the past!

[El Mudo]

Oooo, sorry. And I'm pretty happy with his mid-level to low-level priced contract and Budaj heading back to the backup bench. It's probably the best setup in order to wait for Cann or Kieran Millan and the rest of the BU crew the Avs drafted over the years. So it's up to Anderson (only 28) to prove he's a true #1 now, and I think he's at worst a mid pack goalie. We'll see soon enough, but he can't be worse than Raycroft or Theodore! That's right, Theodore Mudo...how'd that work out for you! :lol: I'd sit him for the rest of that bs contract as well and continue to develop something valued higher than a fucking orange construction cone.



Worked out fairly well. He played decently enough during the season, and Varlamov took over in the playoffs.

I'll defend that deal because it was (a) a short term deal (2 years), and (b) Theodore was the best goaltender available at the time, seeing as they were stiffed by Cristobal Huet. I'm MUCH happier with a short term Theodore deal than a 5 year Huet deal that would probably end up sending Neuvirth or Varlamov out of town in the end.

And that expiring contract of his becomes a really really good trading chip



TSN just broke Cammaleri to MTL

[spoon]

Fuck. Hawks looked so good in the playoffs, now they have to overcome the Hossa curse.

What about the Conklin curse now in St. Louis!? Still, I bet the Blues and Jonh Davidson and Andy Murray would sign up for a trip to the Cup right now if they could...even if they will only lose it bc of the ever powerful Conklin curse. Perhaps the only way to break it is to start Ty, but once broken it may mean no Cup at all, not so much a Stanley Cup victory!

[ihaveabadmonkey]

komisarek to Toronto

[Fallon]

What about the Conklin curse now in St. Louis!? Still, I bet the Blues and Jonh Davidson and Andy Murray would sign up for a trip to the Cup right now if they could...even if they will only lose it bc of the ever powerful Conklin curse. Perhaps the only way to break it is to start Ty, but once broken it may mean no Cup at all, not so much a Stanley Cup victory!
Hey, maybe the Blues could get an outdoor game soon. Seems to be Ty's thing.

[El Mudo]

komisarek to Toronto



They got themselves Garnet Exelby too from Atlanta for Kubina....good day for the Leafs

[ihaveabadmonkey]

So Gainey has now gained almost 14 million a season for his top 2 centers.

[denko]

komisarek to Toronto

nice! he stays in the division and we get to watch lucic beat him up for years to come. komisarek sucks.

[keithy_19]

Roloson is an Islander.

[spoon]

Roloson is an Islander.

He's BEEN an islander silly! Welcome to the party kid.

[NickyL0885]

Sucks to see Komi go to Toronto. I would have liked to see the Isles upgrade the D a bit.

[epo]

I heard today at the gym that now without Hossa, the Detroit Red Wings are changing their colors to pink with little red heart-shaped polka dots to more accurately represent their style of play and "questionable" fan base.

[spoon]

I heard today at the gym that now without Hossa, the Detroit Red Wings are changing their colors to pink with little red heart-shaped polka dots to more accurately represent their style of play and "questionable" fan base.

Nice. Now the unis will match Gvac's manziere and footy pajamas.

[spoon]

Pahlsson, Samuel
Sullivan, Steve

Both are now off the table with Pahlsson and his defensive forward abilities moving to Ken Hitchcock's Columbus (SURPRISE), and Sullivan staying in Nashville. I think both are solid pieces, but Sullivan has to stay healthy. If he does, he'll be a steal bc he's a point a game player when healthy and plays well in the D end also. Pahlsson fits a Hitchcock system to a T and will surely be a huge piece for Columbus as they continue to get better and go deeper in the playoffs. A LOT hinges on Mason in net, but that system will only help.

[spoon]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283470

Gaborik to the Rangers

60 games played, over under?

I go under.

[spoon]

Habs filling that cap room quickly with the additions of Gionta now as well.

Here's their additions so far... they now have Gionta, Gomez, Cammalleri, Gil and Spacek.

I love Cammalleri's speed and abilities, but Gomez is a weird pickup as that trade wasn't friendly to the Habs.

[El Mudo]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283470

Gaborik to the Rangers

60 games played, over under?

I go under.



At 7.5 million dollars a year....holy shit...

[keithy_19]

How are the Habs going to fit under the cap?

[spoon]

How are the Habs going to fit under the cap?

They had about 30 million to work with.

[El Mudo]

How are the Habs going to fit under the cap?



Most of their team from last year were/are UFAs (the only significant RFA they had after they dealt Higgins is Plekanec), so they had a bajillion dollars in Cap room

[keithy_19]

The devils won't, but I'd love to see them make a serious move on Havlat.

[spoon]

At 7.5 million dollars a year....holy shit...

Yah, tsn had it wrongly listed at 5.75 per year at first, but 7.5 is risky to say the least.

Understanding he missed most of his time due to one injury that he let nag until he had to have surgery, but his numbers don't even warrant this contract in his full years. He's not the best playmaker, but surely would fit nicely with someone like Drury who likes to move the puck.

[spoon]

Neil stays in Ott.

[El Mudo]

Yah, tsn had it wrongly listed at 5.75 per year at first, but 7.5 is risky to say the least.

Understanding he missed most of his time due to one injury that he let nag until he had to have surgery, but his numbers don't even warrant this contract in his full years. He's not the best playmaker, but surely would fit nicely with someone like Drury who likes to move the puck.


They took all the money they saved yesterday by dumping Gomez and spent it on Brashear and Gaborik. If I were a Ranger fan I'd be beyond angry

[keithy_19]

They took all the money they saved yesterday by dumping Gomez and spent it on Brashear and Gaborik. If I were a Ranger fan I'd be beyond angry

Considering they lost Naslund, I'd say that they are pretty much the same team as they were last year.

[keithy_19]

Madden to Chicago.

[keithy_19]

The Devils lost two valuable players. God, this is awful.

[monkfish]

TSN's also reporting the Rangers have signed Donald Brashear

EDIT: That deal's gone through....two years, 2.8 million (total)

Between him and Avery, I hope Tortorella has plans for a couple of very solid penalty killing lines.

[spoon]

The Devils lost two valuable players. God, this is awful.

They are always quiet on the FA market but always seem to make due. Until they sink below playoff level, I'd trust in your GM.

[keithy_19]

They are always quiet on the FA market but always seem to make due. Until they sink below playoff level, I'd trust in your GM.

He is a hall of famer and one of, if not the, best GM in sports.

I'd just like something to happen. We need to make our D better and we also need more help scoring. Parise and Elias aren't enough.

[spoon]

Between him and Avery, I hope Tortorella has plans for a couple of very solid penalty killing lines.

Brashear's minutes will be quite minor, and expect a good number of healthy scratches which makes the contract even more questionable. Fuck, he'll be 38 in January.