Officially Unofficial 2008 NFL Draft Discussion

[Knowledged_one]

I figure most are like me that are NFL fans and love watching the draft coverage. And i think this being an event is kinda separate from the Offseason thread.

So how do you all like your teams upcoming draft?

It was just reported that Cincy (thankfully as a skins fan) turned down teh skins offer of a 1st round pick and conditional (read: Next Year) 3rd round pick which makes me happy, and I am actually hoping the skins trade down in the first round?

So where do you stand on your teams picks

[weekapaugjz]

i enjoy all the draft coverage as well, but wont be able to watch cause i don't have cable. im sure ill be keeping up to tabs on espn's draft tracker.

from all ive read about the bills and the mock draft stuff, i really have no idea who they are going to take. i would like to see them take a wide receiver to compliment lee evans. alot of the early talk was they were going to go after malcolm kelly from OU, but after his horrible workouts, he has really dropped on a lot of boards. there is also talk of devin thomas from MSU. one of mcshay's first mocks on espn mentioned desean jackson out of cal as well. a really exciting player but i think the bills need to take someone with a more size. they already have roscoe parrish as that explosive threat in the return game.

cornerback is the other position brought up a lot as well, with rodgers-cromartie and mcklevin . i don't know a thing about these guys cause they were both went to small schools and didn't get a lot of coverage.

a couple of mocks also have the bills taking john carlson from ND. i would like that, i thought he was solid in the games i watched this past season.

im kinda bitter about the dolphins taking long. i think he is going to be a stud, and if that's true, he is going to be a thorn in the side of the bills for a long time.

i hope to shit that mcfadden doesn't fall down to the jets cause i think he will be an impact player as well.

should be an interesting first round.

[Tenbatsuzen]

McFadden won't fall to the Jets.

Jets took a LOT of FA's, so I'm really intrigued by what they'll draft. I'd love to see them pick up a QB because I'm not enthused by Clemens, but I think a lot of that had to do with the shitty line.

You don't go from Comeback Player of the Year to shitting the bed in one year unless a major factor changes - and that was the Jets O-line.

[cougarjake13]

giants should look at defensive back first round and 2nd round maybe a wr

[sailor]

McFadden won't fall to the Jets.

Jets took a LOT of FA's, so I'm really intrigued by what they'll draft. I'd love to see them pick up a QB because I'm not enthused by Clemens, but I think a lot of that had to do with the shitty line.

You don't go from Comeback Player of the Year to shitting the bed in one year unless a major factor changes - and that was the Jets O-line.

mcfadden = raiders

[epo]

The Packers have something like 9 picks in the eight rounds for this years draft. History tells us that General Manager Ted Thompson doesn't trade up.

We'll end up trading down more than once and end up with at least 11+ picks.

[MM2]

I figure most are like me that are NFL fans and love watching the draft coverage. And i think this being an event is kinda separate from the Offseason thread.

So how do you all like your teams upcoming draft?

It was just reported that Cincy (thankfully as a skins fan) turned down teh skins offer of a 1st round pick and conditional (read: Next Year) 3rd round pick which makes me happy, and I am actually hoping the skins trade down in the first round?

So where do you stand on your teams picks

As a Skins fan myself, I was not 100% happy that the Bungles turned down that offer for Chad. That's a fair price for a big dominant WR, which we desperately need. Yes, the Skins most desperate need is a pass rushing DE, but there won't be one available at pick 21. And the only way that the conditional pick turns into a 1st would be if Chad Johnson plays at a pro bowl level, and if that's the case the Skins are in the playoffs and the pick is in the 20's again. So at worst the Skins give up two first round picks in the 20's for Chad Johnson, I'll take it.

Watch the Skins take Malcom Kelly in the first round, who will be a bust. Would you rather have Chad Johnson or Malcom Kelly and a pick? I'll take the 1400 yards and 10 tds and hopefully get a DE in the 2nd round.

Granted, I haven't liked the way the Skins have given away their drafts in recent years, but this trade would have been a good one in my opinion.

[Knowledged_one]

To be honest i dont see the skins taking a WR in the first 3 rounds. I think they take Phillip Merling out of Clemson at 21. I do think the skins are probably looking at a June 1 cap casualty to be the #3 WR, i really would have liked them to sign Darrel Jackson but what can you do. The real need is for a tall WR not necessarily the best on the board at any cost the draft is great and i guess we the fans will wait and see

[pittphantoms]

NFL Draft Saturday is maybe the most lazy day I have all year... I bring my TV from my bedroom out and plug it in downstairs. I put the draft on the bedroom TV - and I play Madden in Franchise Mode on the living room tv.

I order pizza around 1:00 and around 2 or 3 my Steelers will be selecting either Malcom Kelly, Branden Albert (If he falls), James Stewart (If he falls), or Kentwan Balmer.

I am hoping for Albert or Kelly.

I love the draft... and on a side note I am on team Kiper... Todd Mcshay couldn't hold Kiper's comb....

[Knowledged_one]

yeah McShay sucks hes like the draft version of Colin Cowherd

I like the NFL Network coverage better but stupid Time Warner = no NFL Network so i get Ethel Merman Berman and Stuart Scott's bulbous eye

But no Sean Salisbury is a good thing, the liar never fulfilled his bet about walking to DC

[walking joint]

as a Chiefs fan this is going to be the best day of the 2008 season. its all down hill after this. they have 6 picks in the top 90. i'm guessing they package their 2nd first round pick they got from the Vikings with a 2nd or 3rd to move up in the first round. then drafting an Offensive linemen and Defensive linemen with the first 2 picks. after that they only need 3 more offensive linemen, a cornerback, a quaterback and a WR or two and the turn around is going somewhere. they could probably use a linebacker also, but there is always next years draft. we suck....thanks Herm.

[Knowledged_one]

as a Chiefs fan this is going to be the best day of the 2008 season. its all down hill after this. they have 6 picks in the top 90. i'm guessing they package their 2nd first round pick they got from the Vikings with a 2nd or 3rd to move up in the first round. then drafting an Offensive linemen and Defensive linemen with the first 2 picks. after that they only need 3 more offensive linemen, a cornerback, a quaterback and a WR or two and the turn around is going somewhere. they could probably use a linebacker also, but there is always next years draft. we suck....thanks Herm.

So are you thinking Jeff Otah as the O-Lineman? Im guessing Gholston with their first pick

[Snacks]

NFL Draft Saturday is maybe the most lazy day I have all year... I bring my TV from my bedroom out and plug it in downstairs. I put the draft on the bedroom TV - and I play Madden in Franchise Mode on the living room tv.

I order pizza around 1:00 and around 2 or 3 my Steelers will be selecting either Malcom Kelly, Branden Albert (If he falls), James Stewart (If he falls), or Kentwan Balmer.

I am hoping for Albert or Kelly.

I love the draft... and on a side note I am on team Kiper... Todd Mcshay couldn't hold Kiper's comb....

kiper is an idiot. he still wont admit that mario williams was the smart mover over a running back who is only a return and 3rd down back. he has been asked 10 times on espn and still thinks he was right.

I like McShay, he doest take kiper shit and defends himself nicely. when he calls out kiper, kiper gets nevervous and studers and "fumbles" his words.

[MM2]

To be honest i dont see the skins taking a WR in the first 3 rounds. I think they take Phillip Merling out of Clemson at 21. I do think the skins are probably looking at a June 1 cap casualty to be the #3 WR, i really would have liked them to sign Darrel Jackson but what can you do. The real need is for a tall WR not necessarily the best on the board at any cost the draft is great and i guess we the fans will wait and see

If Merling fell it would be great, but he's projected to go in the teens, so I dont' see that happening. They are definitely taking a WR either in the first or second. They brought in Malcom Kelly, Devin Thomas and Limas Sweed for workouts. Those are guys they will be looking at in the first.

I hope I'm dead wrong and you are right, because I hate taking a WR because you have to wait so long for them to pan out. But I would put a nice chunk of change down that the Skins take a WR in the first 3 rounds.

[MM2]

as a Chiefs fan this is going to be the best day of the 2008 season. its all down hill after this. they have 6 picks in the top 90. i'm guessing they package their 2nd first round pick they got from the Vikings with a 2nd or 3rd to move up in the first round. then drafting an Offensive linemen and Defensive linemen with the first 2 picks. after that they only need 3 more offensive linemen, a cornerback, a quaterback and a WR or two and the turn around is going somewhere. they could probably use a linebacker also, but there is always next years draft. we suck....thanks Herm.

I see the Chiefs trading out of that 5th spot. Alot depend on whether or not McFadden is there, but there will be people after Gholston too. The Chiefs are in full rebuild it looks like after letting Allen go. I think 5th is too high for Otah or Albert, so I think they trade down a couple spots, if the Jets are really in love with Gholston they'll trade up one spot to make sure the Pats don't trade up to take him.

[MM2]

NFL Draft Saturday is maybe the most lazy day I have all year... I bring my TV from my bedroom out and plug it in downstairs. I put the draft on the bedroom TV - and I play Madden in Franchise Mode on the living room tv.

I order pizza around 1:00 and around 2 or 3 my Steelers will be selecting either Malcom Kelly, Branden Albert (If he falls), James Stewart (If he falls), or Kentwan Balmer.

I am hoping for Albert or Kelly.

I love the draft... and on a side note I am on team Kiper... Todd Mcshay couldn't hold Kiper's comb....

Kelly could be there, Albert will be taken in the top 10 I think. I hope Kelly is there, because I have a bad feeling my Skins will be taking him at 21.

[MM2]

To be honest i dont see the skins taking a WR in the first 3 rounds. I think they take Phillip Merling out of Clemson at 21. I do think the skins are probably looking at a June 1 cap casualty to be the #3 WR, i really would have liked them to sign Darrel Jackson but what can you do. The real need is for a tall WR not necessarily the best on the board at any cost the draft is great and i guess we the fans will wait and see

Did you mean Hackett or Jackson? I wanted them to sign Hackett, he's a stud, only problem is he can't stay healthy.

[Knowledged_one]

Did you mean Hackett or Jackson? I wanted them to sign Hackett, he's a stud, only problem is he can't stay healthy.

Oh i wanted them to sign Hackett believe me but the injury thing just scared them away, Jackson was cut by 49ers and just signed somewhere - both would have been great as they know the system, Mushin also would have been a great fit for the skins but ah well

And with Merling i have read a lot of teams are scared off by his Sports hernia which is why he has been falling

I think ideal would be the skins trading out of the first round if the top guys on their board arent there. Picking up an extra first round next year in additino to a 2nd #2 would be great. This is a very deep draft which benefits the skins with as many picks as tehy have

Now the latest scuttle is that after the Bengals said no way on CJ and the Cardinals said the same about Boldin they are setting their sites on Roy Williams of the Lions, i just think it would cost too much but with his injury problems the price tag might not be as high.

And if you look at the skins recent crappy WR picks you can see why i think they wont draft a WR (see: Westbrook, Micheal and Howard, Desmond)

[Knowledged_one]

ohh and i would love to see them draft a safety in the first if possible if they trade down it would be great to grab the kid from Miami in front of the Giants

[MM2]

Oh i wanted them to sign Hackett believe me but the injury thing just scared them away, Jackson was cut by 49ers and just signed somewhere - both would have been great as they know the system, Mushin also would have been a great fit for the skins but ah well

And with Merling i have read a lot of teams are scared off by his Sports hernia which is why he has been falling

I think ideal would be the skins trading out of the first round if the top guys on their board arent there. Picking up an extra first round next year in additino to a 2nd #2 would be great. This is a very deep draft which benefits the skins with as many picks as tehy have

Now the latest scuttle is that after the Bengals said no way on CJ and the Cardinals said the same about Boldin they are setting their sites on Roy Williams of the Lions, i just think it would cost too much but with his injury problems the price tag might not be as high.

And if you look at the skins recent crappy WR picks you can see why i think they wont draft a WR (see: Westbrook, Micheal and Howard, Desmond)

Well I wouldn't call Westbrook and Howard "recent" selections, those are well over 10 years ago aren't they? I would call Rod Gardner a recent pick, but I don't even think he was taken under the Snyder era.

I agree with you though, I don't think the Skins SHOULD take a WR, I just have a good feeling they will and will early, probably first round.

If Merling falls, I will be estatic. If the Skins trade down gain a 2nd and a 1 next year, I will be estatic. But I still see them picking a WR, and I will be so disappointed :wallbash:

If the Skins can trade for Roy Williams at a lesser price then Chad Johnson, I'm all for that too. He's a stud, questionable drive though, maybe Randle El can let him borrow some heart :thumbup:

[MM2]

ohh and i would love to see them draft a safety in the first if possible if they trade down it would be great to grab the kid from Miami in front of the Giants

I think he'll go in the first round, so if they can somehow trade alittle lower then 21 and gain a 3rd or something and take Kenny Phillips, I'd be happy with that.

I just hope they can get a DE in the 2nd that has some pass rushing ability.

[Knowledged_one]

You and me both my good friend you and me both and you are right about Gardner he is another bust, but he was a Snyder era pick, but was the choice of Marty

[MM2]

You and me both my good friend you and me both and you are right about Gardner he is another bust, but he was a Snyder era pick, but was the choice of Marty

Gardner had a great rookie season too, why he forgot how to catch a ball is beyond me lol.

[Knowledged_one]

and the thing is Darnerian McCants had such potential but wouldnt put in the work on special teams the skins had some tall bookends with McCants and Gardner with Lav Coles in Spurriers first year

[MM2]

and the thing is Darnerian McCants had such potential but wouldnt put in the work on special teams the skins had some tall bookends with McCants and Gardner with Lav Coles in Spurriers first year

Yeah, I liked McCants, but Gibbs for whatever reason didn't. Maybe it was a work ethic thing like you said. Makes sense, Gibbs hates players who don't give full effort in practice.

My friend thinks the Skins are going to take Kelly too, but is happy about it, he thinks Kelly is going to be a stud in the NFL. I have my doubts, especially since he ran a 4.7 40.

[Knowledged_one]

Im not so much worried about his 40 time as i am the history of the Oklahoma receivers lately. Just look at how that scrub has burned the Ravens, i will tell you the WR that i really like is the WR from Alabama hes a big body. I will find out his name and let you know hes a 2nd/3rd round pick and i would say maybe Manningham from Michigan in the 2nd but he may be there in the 3rd because of his drug problems

Edit the WR from Alabama is DJ Hall i think hes got the it that you need from a WR

[MM2]

Im not so much worried about his 40 time as i am the history of the Oklahoma receivers lately. Just look at how that scrub has burned the Ravens, i will tell you the WR that i really like is the WR from Alabama hes a big body. I will find out his name and let you know hes a 2nd/3rd round pick and i would say maybe Manningham from Michigan in the 2nd but he may be there in the 3rd because of his drug problems

I liked Hardy out of Indiana and I saw a mock a few months ago with him going to the Skins in the 2nd round, but he's shot up draft boards now, he could be the first or second WR taken now.

Best case is Merling falls and Skins nab him at 21 then take the best available WR in the 2nd and there should be some quality WRs in the 2nd.

My guess is its Kelly or Sweed at 21 and I'm going to be a very unhappy man

[Knowledged_one]

Dude check out DJ Hall 6'2 195 lbs, had over 1000 yards the last two years at Alabama and scored 11 TD's. I would be ecstatic if they can nab himin the 2nd or 3rd

[MM2]

Dude check out DJ Hall 6'2 195 lbs, had over 1000 yards the last two years at Alabama and scored 11 TD's. I would be ecstatic if they can nab himin the 2nd or 3rd

You know who I liked going into the season? Marcus Monk, how about another Monk in Washington? He's a big 6-4 WR.

[spoon]

i enjoy all the draft coverage as well, but wont be able to watch cause i don't have cable. im sure ill be keeping up to tabs on espn's draft tracker.

from all ive read about the bills and the mock draft stuff, i really have no idea who they are going to take. i would like to see them take a wide receiver to compliment lee evans. alot of the early talk was they were going to go after malcolm kelly from OU, but after his horrible workouts, he has really dropped on a lot of boards. there is also talk of devin thomas from MSU. one of mcshay's first mocks on espn mentioned desean jackson out of cal as well. a really exciting player but i think the bills need to take someone with a more size. they already have roscoe parrish as that explosive threat in the return game.

cornerback is the other position brought up a lot as well, with rodgers-cromartie and mcklevin . i don't know a thing about these guys cause they were both went to small schools and didn't get a lot of coverage.

a couple of mocks also have the bills taking john carlson from ND. i would like that, i thought he was solid in the games i watched this past season.

im kinda bitter about the dolphins taking long. i think he is going to be a stud, and if that's true, he is going to be a thorn in the side of the bills for a long time.

i hope to shit that mcfadden doesn't fall down to the jets cause i think he will be an impact player as well.

should be an interesting first round.

Both those corners should be pretty good, as this draft is REALLY deep in DBs. However, at the wideout position, it's very light. So, the Bills will need to go DB probably at their first pick bc there are no wrs that warrant such a high pick in my mind. Yet for argument sake, the bills could sure up their run D at many positions as well with the pick, so you never know, as the DB position is so deep there should be good talent left at the second round.

[Knowledged_one]

I think the Ravens are gonna take the guy from Troy at CB leaving the Bills to take the best WR on the board

[spoon]

McFadden won't fall to the Jets.

Jets took a LOT of FA's, so I'm really intrigued by what they'll draft. I'd love to see them pick up a QB because I'm not enthused by Clemens, but I think a lot of that had to do with the shitty line.

You don't go from Comeback Player of the Year to shitting the bed in one year unless a major factor changes - and that was the Jets O-line.

Yes, you can. If Chad couldn't adjust and focus on short routes with a better rb (since his arm doesn't suit long passing plays anyway) and lesser line, it just tells me he's done even more. At least Clemens is just starting and the jury is still out. Still, if Ryan is available, I'd have to take him as the future and start the year with one of the others until he's ready. However, it's not a big possibility if they're not willing to move up ahead of KC and Atlanta.

[Knowledged_one]

I agree i think the Jets go with Matt Ryan, and although the Raiders have Dominic Rhodes, LaMont Jordan, Justin Fargas and drafted Micheal Bush last year they will still take McFadden.

I see both Rhodes and Jordan being June 1 cap hits

[spoon]

I think the Ravens are gonna take the guy from Troy at CB leaving the Bills to take the best WR on the board

Could be true, but is Malcolm Kelly worth that high a pick? They'll also have a chance to draft some good D run stoppers at that spot and I'm not sure Kelly is good enough to warrant a pick that high versus some MUCH needed help on D. I know they lined up some DT help during the offseason, but they need more.

Jackson is no way a good compliment for Evans with his size. Evans needs a break from double teams, and it won't happen that way. So what with Kelly's combine, as plenty of great wrs don't put up stellar numbers there. Sure it's a risk, but if they go wideout, it has to be either Kelly, Thomas or Sweed.

[Knowledged_one]

Could be true, but is Malcolm Kelly worth that high a pick? They'll also have a chance to draft some good D run stoppers at that spot and I'm not sure Kelly is good enough to warrant a pick that high versus some MUCH needed help on D. I know they lined up some DT help during the offseason, but they need more.

Jackson is no way a good compliment for Evans with his size. Evans needs a break from double teams, and it won't happen that way. So what with Kelly's combine, as plenty of great wrs don't put up stellar numbers there. Sure it's a risk, but if they go wideout, it has to be either Kelly, Thomas or Sweed.

I wholeheartedly agree, but i also think the Bills cant make the stretch for Cromartie-Rogers either that early. The bills are in a really bad position with this pick, unless Ryan falls to the Ravens then maybe they get the DB they need. If im Buffalo i look to deal down

[spoon]

I agree i think the Jets go with Matt Ryan, and although the Raiders have Dominic Rhodes, LaMont Jordan, Justin Fargas and drafted Micheal Bush last year they will still take McFadden.

I see both Rhodes and Jordan being June 1 cap hits

I hope your wrong bc as a SD fan I'd like to see him go elsewhere, and I think Dorsey is Raider bound (not happy about that either). Seeing as to how the AFC West is pretty strong at RB, the Raiders need to get help stopping the run soon but Al Davis almost always wastes his early picks on O (love it!).

Rumor is that McFadden drops to NYJ, but what would they do with Jones? Two-headed attack anyone?!

[spoon]

I wholeheartedly agree, but i also think the Bills cant make the stretch for Cromartie-Rogers either that early. The bills are in a really bad position with this pick, unless Ryan falls to the Ravens then maybe they get the DB they need. If im Buffalo i look to deal down

I like that plan since they're more then one player away (depending on who drops that far as you stated) and need a lot of help still. And what the fuck are we doing talking Buf?!!? Look what you did to us Week!!?!?!? :devil2:

[Knowledged_one]

I hope your wrong bc as a SD fan I'd like to see him go elsewhere, and I think Dorsey is Raider bound (not happy about that either). Seeing as to how the AFC West is pretty strong at RB, the Raiders need to get help stopping the run soon but Al Davis almost always wastes his early picks on O (love it!).

Rumor is that McFadden drops to NYJ, but what would they do with Jones? Two-headed attack anyone?!

I think the wildcard pick is the #3 pick, NO wants to trade up to #3 to get Dorsey which would leave the Raiders with maybe the other Long or Gholston. Which also makes me wonder on who the Rams are going to take. I have seen some picks with the Chiefs taking the tackle out of Boise St with their pick at #5

[spoon]

To be honest i dont see the skins taking a WR in the first 3 rounds. I think they take Phillip Merling out of Clemson at 21. I do think the skins are probably looking at a June 1 cap casualty to be the #3 WR, i really would have liked them to sign Darrel Jackson but what can you do. The real need is for a tall WR not necessarily the best on the board at any cost the draft is great and i guess we the fans will wait and see

No you don't, as Jackson is a mess in every fucking way from all the reports I've read. He's sooo not worth even a minor contract.

[Knowledged_one]

moot point as i believe he already signed elsewhere

[spoon]

Woops, confused him with someone else! WTF
:wallbash:

[spoon]

The Bolts are at the will of the first shit-load of picks so I have no clue.

I'd LOVE them to move up and get a good DT since Williams is getting old and he'll be a tough hole to fill. We need some youth on that interior D line bad.

[spoon]

ohh and i would love to see them draft a safety in the first if possible if they trade down it would be great to grab the kid from Miami in front of the Giants

Phillips

[Knowledged_one]

I am actually shocked with teh lack of comments by Giants fans/Jets fans/Patriot fans on this thread

Fair weather fans at their finest

[spoon]

It's a new thread and all, so I'm sure it just hasn't been noticed. That and some fans don't get into the draft.

[spoon]

"DRAFT STRATEGY

Chargers general manager A. J. Smith goes into this draft with not much ammunition. But that doesn't mean that can't change, and quickly.

Smith has long proved he's not afraid to pull the trigger on big deals come draft day. He will always be remembered for drafting Eli Manning in 2004, then trading him to the Giants in a package which would eventually bring him Pro Bowlers in quarterback Philip Rivers, linebacker Shawne Merriman and kicker Nate Kaeding.

And even last year, he peddled lower picks to move up in the second round to snag safety Eric Weddle. With Marlon McCree allowed to leave during the offseason, Weddle is penciled in as a starter in 2008.

But while Smith's draft bounty includes one in the first round at No. 27, and not another one until the fifth round at No. 160, he could still make some moves. He has five total picks.

He figures to get two fourth-round compensatory picks next year after losing running back Michael Turner and McCree. So maybe he can trade the club's current picks in that round for the 2009 draft to move up in the 2008 draft.

Don't shed a tear, though, for Smith because of his lack of picks. The way he looks at, in lieu of a second-round selection, he has standout wide receiver Chris Chambers.

Minus his third-rounder, he has a potential starter in Weddle.

And devoid of a fourth-rounder, he has cornerback Paul Oliver, with that draft pick being burned last year in the supplemental draft. Oliver, who didn't see the field last year, could compete for a nickel or dime role in the secondary this year.

Whatever Smith decides to do he will dealing with the knowledge that the Chargers aren't in dire need of anything. That prevents him from having to overpay, with the bulk of his starting lineup which advanced to the AFC title game last season returning intact."



Funny enough, most of the SD draft was done LAST year! Can't argue with any of the Chambers, Weddle, Oliver picks either. Oliver should be a good move starting mid-year this upcoming season.

[weekapaugjz]

Both those corners should be pretty good, as this draft is REALLY deep in DBs. However, at the wideout position, it's very light. So, the Bills will need to go DB probably at their first pick bc there are no wrs that warrant such a high pick in my mind. Yet for argument sake, the bills could sure up their run D at many positions as well with the pick, so you never know, as the DB position is so deep there should be good talent left at the second round.

the bills run defense was atrocious and it definitely needs help. they picked up marcus stroud from the jags so it should be an improvement. john mccargo who they picked in the 1st a few years back has been showing improvement, but it looks like that pick was a bust. there has been a little bit of talk about derrick harvey from florida and kentawn balmer from carolina. also some talk about trying to get justin king from PSU at CB in the second if he falls that far. i would like that as well, have been a fan of king from all the PSU games i watched.

the bills need help in a lot of areas.

I like that plan since they're more then one player away (depending on who drops that far as you stated) and need a lot of help still. And what the fuck are we doing talking Buf?!!? Look what you did to us Week!!?!?!? :devil2:

its because buffalo rules. :blink:

[Snacks]

Im happy my team drafted Jake Long. a dominat left tackle can anchor a teams lime for 10-12 years. i hope they draft flaco in the 2nd round. he reminds me a lot of marino. he had a similar body style, accuracy and arm strength. dont get me wrong i have no idea if he will pan out like marino but he is the nfl prototype.

[cougarjake13]

I am actually shocked with teh lack of comments by Giants fans/Jets fans/Patriot fans on this thread

Fair weather fans at their finest

im still riding high on the giants super bowl victory

[cougarjake13]

Im happy my team drafted Jake Long. a dominat left tackle can anchor a teams lime for 10-12 years. .

didnt they say the same of robert gallery ????

[underdog]

didnt they say the same of robert gallery ????

Except that Gallery was moved to left tackle, where he kept getting smoked. They finally moved him back to left guard last year and the line was awesome.

I always think about what if San Diego had drafted him, instead of Rivers/Manning. With a pretty constant coaching staff (another problem he's had in Oak, multiple OL coaches), he probably would have developed into the player he should have been, and LT would have rushed for even more yards.

[Knowledged_one]

Im happy my team drafted Jake Long. a dominat left tackle can anchor a teams lime for 10-12 years. i hope they draft flaco in the 2nd round. he reminds me a lot of marino. he had a similar body style, accuracy and arm strength. dont get me wrong i have no idea if he will pan out like marino but he is the nfl prototype.

I think Flaco or possibly Henne, the wild card will be what does Carolina do, if they trade up to get Matt Ryan then it could throw everything off, i think Brahm, Henne and Flaco are all pretty much the same. Henne because of the Michigan pedigree may end up being the best of them all

[MM2]

I think the wildcard pick is the #3 pick, NO wants to trade up to #3 to get Dorsey which would leave the Raiders with maybe the other Long or Gholston. Which also makes me wonder on who the Rams are going to take. I have seen some picks with the Chiefs taking the tackle out of Boise St with their pick at #5

Apparently the Saints have offered the Rams their #10 pick and their starting LT Jamal Brown who was a probowler in 2006 to move up to #2. They want Dorsey bad, I don't know how the Rams don't take this deal (if really offered), they can get a nice player at 10 and plug in a solid LT to their weak line.

[Snacks]

I think Flaco or possibly Henne, the wild card will be what does Carolina do, if they trade up to get Matt Ryan then it could throw everything off, i think Brahm, Henne and Flaco are all pretty much the same. Henne because of the Michigan pedigree may end up being the best of them all

there has been talk that the dolphins are thinking about taking henne with their 2nd round pick if hes avaiable. they think the michigan connection of long/henne works well.

[Knowledged_one]

Malcom Kelly is falling fast down boards and now many see him as a 2nd round pick

[spoon]

Malcom Kelly is falling fast down boards and now many see him as a 2nd round pick

His combine was terrible I'm sorry.

[Knowledged_one]

Im not sorry for him, Oklahoma WR's are busts and this guy did it to himself and of course with that being said the redskins will probably draft him

[MM2]

Im not sorry for him, Oklahoma WR's are busts and this guy did it to himself and of course with that being said the redskins will probably draft him

Jason Campbell worked out with him yesterday and said he wants him to be his teammate. If they can get him in the second I won't mind, but first round?

I will tell you the Skins won't have good drafts until they get rid of Vinny Ceratto.

He stinks and I don't like him!

[Knowledged_one]

Well teh good thing is this is the first year taht Cerrato is in complete control of the draft so its sink or swim time for Vinny

[pittphantoms]

I think Kelly will for sure be the Steelers pick if Albert and Stewart are gone... for some reason they are REALLY big fans of him.

I am starting to think Albert is falling again after he had a BIG week last week where I saw him in some mocks at #5.

[pittphantoms]

there has been talk that the dolphins are thinking about taking henne with their 2nd round pick if hes avaiable. they think the michigan connection of long/henne works well.

Wouldnt it be great to see the Jets take Gholston - so he can continue to give Jake Long problems and make Chad Henne's life awful. You have to admit it is embarassing Henne and Long have NEVER beaten Ohio St...

I am VERY low on all of the QBs in this draft. If you arent taking an OL or DL in the first round this year - I think its a gamble. I think DE's are being overlooked badly this year - Lawrence Jackson, Calius Campbell, Quentin Groves ect... all have a good chance at being impact defensive ends and you dont see their names in the first round mocks anymore.

[Knowledged_one]

Probably because Calais Campbell had horrible workouts and got out of shape

And i think if you look most draft people are saying that this is one of the deepest drafts for DE's, DT's and LB's so everyone thinks they can value in later rounds

and beating Ohio State has no bearing in any of this, and because Gholston had a sack against Long will mean nothing in the pros, especially when most people are saing Gholston might be a better fit at LB rather then DE

[MM2]

Probably because Calais Campbell had horrible workouts and got out of shape

And i think if you look most draft people are saying that this is one of the deepest drafts for DE's, DT's and LB's so everyone thinks they can value in later rounds

and beating Ohio State has no bearing in any of this, and because Gholston had a sack against Long will mean nothing in the pros, especially when most people are saing Gholston might be a better fit at LB rather then DE

Yeah Campbell scares me, if you can't show up in shape to the combine when you are a possible 1st round pick, what kind of shape do you think he's going to show up in at training camp after signing a contract? If a few million isn't enough to motivate, what is?

The Skins might come out of day one with Kelly in the first and Campbell in the second, boom or bust!

[Knowledged_one]

Yeah Campbell scares me, if you can't show up in shape to the combine when you are a possible 1st round pick, what kind of shape do you think he's going to show up in at training camp after signing a contract? If a few million isn't enough to motivate, what is?

The Skins might come out of day one with Kelly in the first and Campbell in the second, boom or bust!

You know for like the first 3 months leading up to the draft a lot of mocks showed the skins taking Campbell in the first round

Like i said i hope the skins trade down out of the first, hopefully if a team likes Felix Jones enough they can entice the skins to trade down, as Dallas is hot for Jones. They gain picks and a chance to screw the cowboys in the same deal

[pittphantoms]

Probably because Calais Campbell had horrible workouts and got out of shape

And i think if you look most draft people are saying that this is one of the deepest drafts for DE's, DT's and LB's so everyone thinks they can value in later rounds

and beating Ohio State has no bearing in any of this, and because Gholston had a sack against Long will mean nothing in the pros, especially when most people are saing Gholston might be a better fit at LB rather then DE

The joke was that Gholston will be playing Long twice a year if he is a Jet... and if thats the case it will be as an outside linebacker... who Long will be primarily in charge of blocking. I actually rewatched the OSU Michigan game on ESPN Classic yesterday - and Gholston was dominating that game - but he wasnt up against Long very much. His sack came on a play where Mallett held the ball way too long - broke the pocket and was caught from behind.

I think McFadden will be playing in New York, not Gholston anyway.

I also think the draft is VERY thin at Linebacker... There isnt a guy I really like other than Mayo... although I think there are a couple guys who could be solid 3-4 buck linebackers out there... Jay Lehman comes to mine.

[Knowledged_one]

What about Keith Rivers who is projected Top 10 or Erin Henderson out of Maryland on the outside or Dan Connor on the Inside to name just a few

[pittphantoms]

What about Keith Rivers who is projected Top 10 or Erin Henderson out of Maryland on the outside or Dan Connor on the Inside to name just a few

Rivers is good, but I am not a fan of his like Mayo... Dan Connor is a late first round pick low second and is rated as the 40th best player - and Henderson is a third round rating... thats not exactly a DEEP class... I can name 8 offensive tackles that could see heavy action within two years. Mayo and Rivers IMO are the only LBs in the draft who will have any immediate impact unless Connor goes to the Dolphins at #33... unless you consider Gholston a LB - then I think he will have impact immediately as well.

I dont think this is a deep LB class at all. The best two linebackers in college last year stayed in school - Laurinitus and Mauluga (No idea how to spell those names)...

[cougarjake13]

saints may land jeremy shockey



http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8074688/Saints-close-to-getting-Shockey-from-Giants

[cougarjake13]

may just be me but jake long looks like a younger shaved head triple h

[cougarjake13]

1. dolphins......jake long, ot, michigan
2. rams..... chris long, de, virgina
3. falcons.... matt ryan, qb, boston college
4. raiders ... darren mcfadden, rb, arkansas


i do think that mcfadden will soon be traded to the jets

[cougarjake13]

5. chiefs - glenn dorsey, dt, lsu


jets are on the clock

[cougarjake13]

6. jets - vernon gholston, de, ohio state

patriots are on the clock

[weekapaugjz]

i think it was a great pick for the jets. i think gholston is going to be a monster.

[cougarjake13]

first trade of the draft

new orleans is now on the clock

details to follow

[cougarjake13]

7. saints(from pats, from 49ers) sedrick ellis, dt, usc


ravens are on the clock , nope its now jax after a trade

[cougarjake13]

8. jags - derrick harvey, de, florida

bungles are on the clock

[cougarjake13]

9. bungles- keith rivers, lb, usc

patriots are on the clock

[epo]

i think it was a great pick for the jets. i think gholston is going to be a monster.

Just my opinion...but Gholston has bust written all over him.

[weekapaugjz]

11. bills pick leodis mckelvin

hopefully he will be able to make a difference.

[cougarjake13]

10, patriots - jerrod mayo, ilb usc

[cougarjake13]

bills on clock

[cougarjake13]

11. bills -Leodis McKelvin CB Troy

[cougarjake13]

12. broncos - ryan clady - ot, boise state


panthers are on the clock

[cougarjake13]

13. panthers - jonathan stewart, rb , oregon


bears are on the clock

[cougarjake13]

14. bears - chris williams, ot , vandy

lions are on the clock, is there a wr available ??

[cougarjake13]

15. chiefs - brandon albert, og , virgina

after a trade with the lions

[cougarjake13]

16. cardinals - dominique cromartie, cb, tenn state

lions are on the clock

[RhinoinMN]

16. cardinals - dominique cromartie, cb, tenn state

lions are on the clock

Is he related to the Cromartie that plays for San Diego?

[cougarjake13]

Is he related to the Cromartie that plays for San Diego?

yeh theyre cousins

[cougarjake13]

17. Lions - Gosder Cherilus T Boston College

[cougarjake13]

18. ravens - joe flacco , qb , delaware

eagles on the clock

[Aaron Rodgers]

Get me a damned receiver!

[RhinoinMN]

Get me a damned receiver!

You need talent and some rust remover first.

[cougarjake13]

eagles trade their 19h pick to panthers

panthers on the clock

[cougarjake13]

You need talent and some rust remover first.

and a mach 3 turbo

[cougarjake13]

19. panthers - jeff otah, t , pittsburgh

tampa bay is on da clock

[RhinoinMN]

Get me a damned receiver!

You may need some o-line help too. After all, you get to see the most feared D-line in the league twice a year.

GO VIKES!

[cougarjake13]

You may need some o-line help too. After all, you get to see the most feared D-line in the league twice a year.

GO VIKES!

too bad your qb is almost as bad as him

[cougarjake13]

20. bucs - aqib talib, cb, kansas

redskins on the clock

[cougarjake13]

redskins trade pick to falcons

[cougarjake13]

21. falcons - sam baker, ot , usc

cowboys are on the clock

[cougarjake13]

22. cowboys - felix jones, rb , arkansas

steelers up next

[cougarjake13]

23. steelers - rashard mendenhall , rb , illinois


titans on the clock

[cougarjake13]

24. titans - chris johnson, rb , east carolina

seahawks on the clock

[RhinoinMN]

too bad your qb is almost as bad as him

That's where you're wrong. He is equally as bad. Probably worse.

[cougarjake13]

seahawks trade their pick to the cowboys

[cougarjake13]

25. cowboys - mike jenkins, db , usf


texans on the clock

[cougarjake13]

26. texans - duane brown, ot , va tech

chargers on the clock

[cougarjake13]

27. chargers - antoine cason , cb , arizona

seahags on the clock

[cougarjake13]

28. seahags - lawrence jackson, de, usc

49ers on the clock

[cougarjake13]

29. 49ers - kentwan balmer, dt, north carolina


packers on the clock

[cougarjake13]

packers trade their pick to jets

dan connor is still on the board and hopefully they jets dont come in and steal him from the g- men

[PhishHead]

49ers pick was good but we never should have passed up on a WR since they are all slipping. We better take one at the top of 2nd round, we need one so badly and I would prefer Desean or Sweed

[cougarjake13]

30. jets - dustin keller, te purdue


da mothafucking giants are on the clock

[cougarjake13]

31. super bowl champion giants - kenny phillips, s , miami


and another miami connection

[Tenbatsuzen]

DO not understand the second Jets pick at all. With Baker and Franks, why is another TE needed that high unless this guy is some explosive monster?

[patsopinion]

every time he goes off script he bad puns him way into silence
truly horrifying and uncomfortable to watch
its like car crash comedy without anyone holding him accountable for how bad he is

[Kevin]

31. super bowl champion giants - kenny phillips, s , miami


and another miami connection

I love the Phillips pick. Plus awful Kiper gave us a C+ Hey douche face, maybe after Reese totaly embaressed your ass last year, you would be more careful. He gave us a C+ For our draft last year.. And oh yea.. ALL SEVEN GUYS PLAYED AND PLAYED WELL.

DO not understand the second Jets pick at all. With Baker and Franks, why is another TE needed that high unless this guy is some explosive monster?

This guy is very good, very fast. This is a good pick, you will like him.


I am also happy we didnt give in on Shockey, either get what we want or go home Saints.

[BoondockSaint]

I could have told you this 20 years ago.

[Kevin]

Well then, looks like Aaron Rodgers has some competition.

[Bossanova]

The Eagles better be bundling up 19 picks and Lito Shepard for a WR

[Kevin]

The Eagles better be bundling up 19 picks and Lito Shepard for a WR

Na they will just waste them on poor cheap tallent like they always do.

They have had 50picks a draft every year.

[Bossanova]

Na they will just waste them on poor cheap tallent like they always do.

They have had 50picks a draft every year.

Yeah, on linemen and tightends. Yet waste them all or cut them when they have value

[Kevin]

Yeah, on linemen and tightends. Yet waste them all or cut them when they have value

Makes sense to package Shepperd and some picks for Roy Williams, Bolden or Chad.

[Bossanova]

Makes sense to package Shepperd and some picks for Roy Williams, Bolden or Chad.

I think so, I just think this cheep bastard doesn't want to pay them. They have to trade Shepard now anyway, and they are going to get a good WR with he picks. Make your current stars happy with another star before they leave. And yes I am defending McNabb. Not like there is anyone else out there that is good to qb a team

[Kevin]

I think so, I just think this cheep bastard doesn't want to pay them. They have to trade Shepard now anyway, and they are going to get a good WR with he picks. Make your current stars happy with another star before they leave. And yes I am defending McNabb. Not like there is anyone else out there that is good to qb a team

MCnabb is one of those, you do not know what you have until they are gone. Mcnabb has been a damn good QB for you.

[Bossanova]

MCnabb is one of those, you do not know what you have until they are gone. Mcnabb has been a damn good QB for you.

Exactly, sure its cool to boo him. Yet despite his injuries he has put up numbers and has won games. Give him an actual WR and they went to the Super Bowl. He has been this strong with Hank Baskett, Freddie Mitchell, Reggie Brown, Greg Lewis and other 3 and 4 wide outs.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Ray Rice to the Ravens. I like this. I like this a lot. McGahee can't last forever down there.

I still am holding out hope that Schmitt ends up on the Jets, but it probably won't happen.

[Bossanova]

Thomas, not a bad pick up for the Giants

[Kevin]

Exactly, sure its cool to boo him. Yet despite his injuries he has put up numbers and has won games. Give him an actual WR and they went to the Super Bowl. He has been this strong with Hank Baskett, Freddie Mitchell, Reggie Brown, Greg Lewis and other 3 and 4 wide outs.

I think he is ALOT like Ewing, Never had that #2 guy to compliment him. I mean Mcnabb had T.O for a year and he almost won a SB, if he didn't go down with that leg injury, you would have. When Pat had Houston and Spree, He got hurt. So good players that never had that guy to compliment him. Sure Westbrook is great, but its not like the WR.

[Bossanova]

I think he is ALOT like Ewing, Never had that #2 guy to compliment him. I mean Mcnabb had T.O for a year and he almost won a SB, if he didn't go down with that leg injury, you would have. When Pat had Houston and Spree, He got hurt. So good players that never had that guy to compliment him. Sure Westbrook is great, but its not like the WR.

What I have been crying about for years. Westbrook is awesome, but is spread too thin and everyone keys off on him

[Kevin]

Thomas, not a bad pick up for the Giants

I like that pick alot, Reese is doing a great job, our main weakness wasn 2ndary and he picked two good ones.

[Bulldogcakes]

I like that pick alot, Reese is doing a great job, our main weakness wasn 2ndary and he picked two good ones.

Were those the first few picks at secondary? Usually secondary guys go in the later rounds. If the Giants were the first at that position, you figure they got one of the best guys in the country.

[Kevin]

Were those the first few picks at secondary? Usually secondary guys go in the later rounds. If the Giants were the first at that position, you figure they got one of the best guys in the country.

Well, Phillips was the 1st safety taken, and the CB like the 6th or 7th, But who knows. Giants have a good track record in late and later round picks. The reason why Thomas fell is because he has been hurt alot, he is about 6'1 and good speed. While is Phillips is 6'2 and a half fast had hitting saftey, from a great saftey College in Miami,which we needed after Wilson left.

[Bulldogcakes]

Actually I just looked it up (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/position?id=93&draftyear=2008&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl draft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fposition%3fid%3d93%26dra ftyear%3d2008), the Giants took the first Safety selected. Tyrell Thomas was the 8th CB selected. (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/position?id=92&draftyear=2008&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl draft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fposition%3fid%3d92%26dra ftyear%3d2008)

[Bulldogcakes]

Well, Phillips was the 1st safety taken, and the CB like the 6th or 7th, But who knows. Giants have a good track record in late and later round picks.

They def do, Reese had a great draft last year.

[Kevin]

They def do, Reese had a great draft last year.

Which the great Mel Kiper gave a C+ too.

[underdog]

You're absolutely right. He interrupted Mort at one point so he could tell a joke, right after the Patriots made their pick.

"You know what the refs will have to say on a 15 yard holding penalty now?"
-silence-
"Holding the Mayo. Sorry, someone had to say it."

No, they didn't. No one else was even thinking it. He keeps trying to add in on the conversation and he's just confusing the guys. He's just fucking terrible.

Also, here :

berman if any has payed his dues
i like him
i understand the neccisity of his net to stay current vs being a leg broadcaster but

be agsint his shitty writers not him

hes been around for more than 20 yrs
i like him and will stand by him


i understand that stuwart scott according to u ppl has the right to dish the "hot topic lyrics" but im agsint going agsint berman

and my sp is bad cuz im drunk

[Epschtein]

yeah, i only watched it thru the patriots first pick but even by that point he had almost started 2 arguments with that guy that was on the far left, the kind of nerdy guy that has his own nfl analysis magazine/business (cant think of the damn guys name lol, mel something maybe?)

berman was a good personality in espn's beginning but he has a style that just grates on you, i havent been able to tolerate him for 10 years or so now. i dont hate him, im just tired of his schtick, he is just like dick vitale for me. just stop it already hehe.

[Kevin]

Cowboys made the same mistake again.

They took Julias Jones over Steven Jackson.

And not they take Felix Jones Over Rashard Mendenhall.

Nice work Jerry. HE IS THE SAME KINDA RB AS BARBER!!

[cougarjake13]

I think he is ALOT like Ewing, Never had that #2 guy to compliment him. I mean Mcnabb had T.O for a year and he almost won a SB, if he didn't go down with that leg injury, you would have. When Pat had Houston and Spree, He got hurt. So good players that never had that guy to compliment him. Sure Westbrook is great, but its not like the WR.

or if the patricheats didnt cheat

[MM2]

Cowboys made the same mistake again.

They took Julias Jones over Steven Jackson.

And not they take Felix Jones Over Rashard Mendenhall.

Nice work Jerry. HE IS THE SAME KINDA RB AS BARBER!!

I'm pretty sure Steven Jackson was the first RB taken in his draft. Julius Jones was a second round pick I believe.

[MM2]

To be honest i dont see the skins taking a WR in the first 3 rounds. I think they take Phillip Merling out of Clemson at 21. I do think the skins are probably looking at a June 1 cap casualty to be the #3 WR, i really would have liked them to sign Darrel Jackson but what can you do. The real need is for a tall WR not necessarily the best on the board at any cost the draft is great and i guess we the fans will wait and see

I guess you were right, they didn't take a WR in the first three rounds they took TWO! What a joke, such a disappointment.

How in the world do you take two WRs in the 2nd round and that not even be the biggest WTF moment, Fred Davis? Fred Davis? Really? Fred Davis? Come on man, what a joke. What is going on in that Redskin war room?

How do you not take Groves? It would have been nice to see them move up to take Merling too.

I absolutely loved the trade they made out of the 1st round, but then to take 2 WRs and a TE? All I can say is WOW!

[pittphantoms]

I'm pretty sure Steven Jackson was the first RB taken in his draft. Julius Jones was a second round pick I believe.

You are correct...

Matt Mosley of Hashmarks says they debated between Jones and Mendenhall but Mendenhall was too much like Marion Barber already... which I think is pretty interesting because I think Mendenhall is a much tougher runner...

I am in love with the Chiefs draft...

I wasnt real high on the linebackers in the draft but I am shocked that Dan Conner is still there...

[Jughead]

Quote during there pick....:The bears super bowl year the defense had at least 21 take aways....Last year well a few...not so many what happened??.......Lame...

[Reynolds]

2 weeks ago kiper had the giants taking dan connor in the first round, he didn't even get picked today. Still rated the #2 linebacker, available because of off field problems

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think the most perplexing fucking pick of the entire draft is the bears having BOTH Henne and Brohm available to them... and taking a RB.

If the TE is as good as people from Purdue is telling me, I can deal. The Jets do need a WR, but again, if they pick up Schmitt, they'll have a hell of a specialist unit in Keller, Schmit, Jones, and Coles.

[pittphantoms]

The crazy pick of the draft so far is Chris Johnson of ECU to Tennessee... He was a projected late second early third round pick... this was a MAJOR MAJOR reach...

but the funny thing is Johnson was my favorite player of the non first round projected guys... He was UNREAL in his bowl game and is the kind of player that can really change a game with his speed... Tennessee shouldn't have made the pick with White and Henry - both second round picks on the roster - but I do think the kid will be awesome.

I am guessing Miami will take Dan Connor with the first pick of the third round to replace Zach Thomas...

I am hoping DT Sims from Auburn or the UTEP Guard falls to Pittsburgh in the third round - because we need some line help badly.

I am also hoping we draft Owen Schmidt in Pittsburgh - or Jacob Hester...

[underdog]

I think the most perplexing fucking pick of the entire draft is the bears having BOTH Henne and Brohm available to them... and taking a RB.

Henne and Brohm will probably be worse pro QBs than Grossman.

And that's pretty bad.

[Kevin]

I'm pretty sure Steven Jackson was the first RB taken in his draft. Julius Jones was a second round pick I believe.

Yes, but Cowboys traded down and passed on Jackson.

[King Imp]

I don't know how many others notice this, but it sure seems like Bill Parcells still has Dallas on the brain when making decisions. I can't count the number of trades/deals/picks he's made between Miami and Dallas since being hired by the Dolphins, but it kinda irks me. As a Giants fan, it might be nice to see him show some love to the team he actually won 2 Super Bowls with instead of the scumbag Cowboys.

[Snacks]

I don't know how many others notice this, but it sure seems like Bill Parcells still has Dallas on the brain when making decisions. I can't count the number of trades/deals/picks he's made between Miami and Dallas since being hired by the Dolphins, but it kinda irks me. As a Giants fan, it might be nice to see him show some love to the team he actually won 2 Super Bowls with instead of the scumbag Cowboys.

every team he has gone to he has traded his former team to get players he liked and drafted for them the year or 2 before. he also owes nothing to giants. plus thew giants won the super bowl last year what else do you want?

It was a smart trade for miami. they got their new started te and their new starting lb.

[cougarjake13]

every team he has gone to he has traded his former team to get players he liked and drafted for them the year or 2 before. he also owes nothing to giants. plus thew giants won the super bowl last year what else do you want?

It was a smart trade for miami. they got their new started te and their new starting lb.

yeh exactly

with the pats, he picked up a bunch of former giants

with jets, a few pats

with cowboys, a few old jets, pats

[Reynolds]

yeh exactly

with the pats, he picked up a bunch of former giants

with jets, a few pats

with cowboys, a few old jets, pats

Belechik (sp?) did the same thing when he took the Browns HC job. The defense was like half former giants. Killed me to see pepper johnson and carl banks not retire as giants

[cougarjake13]

Belechik (sp?) did the same thing when he took the Browns HC job. The defense was like half former giants. Killed me to see pepper johnson and carl banks not retire as giants

oh fucking hell yeh i remeber that bullshit

wasnt mo carthon brought over too

[Kevin]

Seriously, after getting embarresed by the Giants last year by giving them a C+ and EVERY player in the draft made the team and helped, dumb shit mel kiper gives them a C+ again this year.

I mean except for the CB that they drafted, EVERY player drafted this year was a very good pick.

[Reynolds]

oh fucking hell yeh i remeber that bullshit

wasnt mo carthon brought over too

yeah, and joe morris... pathetic. and the browns were shit during his era

[Reynolds]

Seriously, after getting embarresed by the Giants last year by giving them a C+ and EVERY player in the draft made the team and helped, dumb shit mel kiper gives them a C+ again this year.

I mean except for the CB that they drafted, EVERY player drafted this year was a very good pick.

I liked all the picks except the defensive end they took.... but i won't doubt Reese, he seems to have good insight on finding sleepers. Several articles have said at least 3 of the players they took could be the best in the draft at their position (Manningham, Woodson and Phillips) With Goff having serious potential. Thought it was funny that manningham scored a 6 out of 50 on the intelligence test, poor kid must feel like a dope.

[Knowledged_one]

I liked all the picks except the defensive end they took.... but i won't doubt Reese, he seems to have good insight on finding sleepers. Several articles have said at least 3 of the players they took could be the best in the draft at their position (Manningham, Woodson and Phillips) With Goff having serious potential. Thought it was funny that manningham scored a 6 out of 50 on the intelligence test, poor kid must feel like a dope.

Either that or he was smoking dope, the guy failed 8 drug tests at Michigan, im sure he will change his spots now that he is a pro though, and Manningham was not considered anywhere near the best at his position in the draft