Which Version of RonFez.net Would You Prefer?

[Gvac]

Would you ideally like this place to be a safe-for-work and show friendly site where there's no profanity, off color remarks, nudity, etc? Or would you like it to be a free for all where anything goes?

Or maybe we should bring back The Steel Cage. That was a forum we had here back in the day where people could really tear into each other without fear of being banned.

[Flea_Man]

Happy times.

[EliSnow]

I have to go with the SFW version we have now. I do most of my posting whilst at work. If we went with a site where there was nudity, etc., there's more chance of this place getting blocked, and then I really wouldn't be around anywhere near as much (that is, if I want to stay married and raise my girls).

[DolaMight]

There needs to be some middle ground. It can't be either extreme.

[mikeyboy]

I started to respond to your similar post in the "Fuck Danny" thread, but scrapped it.

Your choice of one or the other sounds good in theory, but it really is entirely too black and white. There are two 202-related boards out there that kind of not-so-neatly fit into your board extremes. I won't name names, but I think most people will know who I'm talking about. On one site you're not allowed to say anything critical about the shows (unless it's about Dave), and if you do, you risk banning and deletion of your posts. On the other side, there is an "anything goes" board, where almost nothing gets gets edited, deleted, and real bannings (not three day ESD-clause violation bannings) almost never happen. I'm not being critical of either board, because their policies work for them. I kind of wrenched the two examples into your hypothetical, because profanity and SFW elements really aren't applicable.

Anyway, my point is that we don't fit into either extreme, and we never have. This board has been around for over 7 years, and has flourished, and it seems kind of unnecessary to pigeon-hole it into one of those two extremes, especially since I think it would take away from the general character of the board.

[Freakshow]

I want down and friendly. But not fun and dirty. Never fun and dirty. :flush:

[hurlmon]

There needs to be some middle ground. It can't be either extreme.

exactly.

[Knowledged_one]

A little from coulmn A and a little from column B

[Gvac]

Anyway, my point is that we don't fit into either extreme, and we never have. This board has been around for over 7 years, and has flourished, and it seems kind of unnecessary to pigeon-hole it into one of those two extremes, especially since I think it would take away from the general character of the board.

So, in other words, it's entirely up to the mod or mods that happen to be logged in as to whether or not what someone has posted is permissible?

Sounds kinda vague.

[Flea_Man]

I went to Taco Bell and tried to spend a $2 bill, and the cashier had no idea what it was and called the cops.

[EliSnow]

So, in other words, it's entirely up to the mod or mods that happen to be logged in as to whether or not what someone has posted is permissible?

Sounds kinda vague.

The only other option is to have some sort of computer AI monitoring the board.

Is that what you want Gvac? You want this site to be the Matrix?

[BoondockSaint]

I went to Taco Bell and tried to spend a $2 bill, and the cashier had no idea what it was and called the cops.

Well, that sounds like a good solution.

[mikeyboy]

So, in other words, it's entirely up to the mod or mods that happen to be logged in as to whether or not what someone has posted is permissible?

Sounds kinda vague.

Not really. Maybe their might be some inconsistency in bordeline cases, but that's the way just about everything is that requires some degree of subjectivity.

[mikeyboy]

I went to Taco Bell and tried to spend a $2 bill, and the cashier had no idea what it was and called the cops.

Shut up, Flea.

[Gvac]

The only other option is to have some sort of computer AI monitoring the board.

Is that what you want Gvac? You want this site to be the Matrix?

AHAHAHAHA!

I just think there should be some ground rules. Hell, they go over them before every baseball game that's played and every boxing match so everyone knows what the deal is.

That's not the case here at all.

Some mods enjoy a bit of nastiness, others bristle at the slightest sign of it.

[Team_Ramrod]

I'm on the fence.

On one hand, I'd like to have it SFW. I post on here with my kids around and I like to know that I'm not going to click on something and have them exposed to something they should not.

On the other hand, I am addicted to sex. Not in a joking kind of way... I want sex, I want to see sex, I want to have everything associated with sex all day, every day... So I'd like to be able to click on a thread every now and again that has something vulgar posted. Just to feed my pathetic self.


If we could manage a site that was show friendly, kind, warm and not threatening with a singular area for perverts... I'd sign up and make my very own board name.

[angrymissy]

Would you ideally like this place to be a safe-for-work and show friendly site where there's no profanity, off color remarks, nudity, etc? Or would you like it to be a free for all where anything goes?

Or maybe we should bring back The Steel Cage. That was a forum we had here back in the day where people could really tear into each other without fear of being banned.

YES!!! Steel Cage!! BRING IT BACK!!!

[Gvac]

In case anyone couldn't figure it out, I've decided to decode mikeyboy's post for you. My edits are in red.



Your choice of one or the other sounds good in theory, but it really is entirely too black and white. There are two 202-related boards out there that kind of not-so-neatly fit into your board extremes. I won't name names, but I think most people will know who I'm talking about. On one site you're not allowed to say anything critical about the shows (unless it's about Dave), and if you do, you risk banning and deletion of your posts, AND THAT WOULD BE WACKBAG On the other side, there is an "anything goes" board, where almost nothing gets gets edited, deleted, and real bannings (not three day ESD-clause violation bannings) almost never happen. THIS BOARD IS KNOWN AS FBA I'm not being critical of either board, because their policies work for them. I kind of wrenched the two examples into your hypothetical, because profanity and SFW elements really aren't applicable.

[Gvac]

YES!!! Steel Cage!! BRING IT BACK!!!

HAHA! I knew you'd be down for it Missy!

[reillyluck]

there's a difference between fun and just being an ass. people who start these "hate" threads know what they are doing and thrive on being that shock poster. dumb.

[underdog]

AHAHAHAHA!

I just think there should be some ground rules. Hell, they go over them before every baseball game that's played and every boxing match so everyone knows what the deal is.

That's not the case here at all.

Some mods enjoy a bit of nastiness, others bristle at the slightest sign of it.

So?

I don't really get the problem. Its not like people are being banned left and right because one mod let something go but another didn't like it. Some words in titles might get edited. Who cares?

I think the bigger problem is the deletion of threads. Why not just lock them?

[mikeyboy]

In case anyone couldn't figure it out, I've decided to decode mikeyboy's post for you. My edits are in red.

damn cryptanalyst!

[mikeyboy]

So?

I don't really get the problem. Its not like people are being banned left and right because one mod let something go but another didn't like it. Some words in titles might get edited. Who cares?

I think the bigger problem is the deletion of threads. Why not just lock them?

It doesn't happen that often. Most of the threads that disapper are of the spam variety.

[Gvac]

there's a difference between fun and just being an ass. people who start these "hate" threads know what they are doing and thrive on being that shock poster. dumb.

Says you. Maybe another mod sees it differently, and therein lies the problem.

So?

I don't really get the problem. Its not like people are being banned left and right because one mod let something go but another didn't like it. Some words in titles might get edited. Who cares?

I think the bigger problem is the deletion of threads. Why not just lock them?

It's not a "problem" in the sense that it will change our lives, but it's a problem in that this is no longer a fan site, but a moderator site. Whether you're allowed to speak your mind becomes totally dependent on which mod agrees or disagrees with your point of view.

[PhishHead]

GVAC called me hot i will do whatever he says.

Plus i miss the steel cage as well. That was some damn good funny reading back in the day.

[mikeyboy]

It's not a "problem" in the sense that it will change our lives, but it's a problem in that this is no longer a fan site, but a moderator site. Whether you're allowed to speak your mind becomes totally dependent on which mod agrees or disagrees with your point of view.

Has this really been a problem? Honestly, I haven't seen it.

[Gvac]

damn cryptanalyst!

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/TheQuestion202/MrMiracleSig2.jpg

:tongue:

[ChimneyFish]

I'll just say, as a member of "another board", the reason I like this place is because of the atmosphere it has had since the first day I've checked it out.
It's different than the other board, and I like it because it's different than the other board. When I want no-holds-barred type shit, nudity, Dave bashing, etc, etc, I go there. And I go there because sometimes I'm in the mood for that.

I come hear when I want a little bit more SFW, friendy-type(I'm not saying the other board isn't friendly, because they are[to everyone but Dave and Earl], and anyone saying otherwise is talking horseshit), but I like how this place is a bit more light hearted, in everything from the type of humor that the posters partake in, to the subject matter of certain similar threads.

And sometimes I am in the mood for both, and I'm logged into both simultaneously.
"Heavens t' Betsy, dis man's craaaazzzzy!!!!":innocent:

And in summation, I am voting for "friendly".

And might I add that I think I would most certainly be getting an "F-" for my grammer in this steaming pile of shite.:smoke:

[Team_Ramrod]

It doesn't happen that often. Most of the threads that disapper are of the spam variety.

I agree... the threads don't really vanish too often. And they only really ever get locked when someone finds out of an impending childbirth from 2 sentences that were spoken on air.... 3 weeks before the official announcement.

[BoondockSaint]

This wouldn't be happening if Fat_Sunny was still here.

[Gvac]

This wouldn't be happening if Fat_Sunny was still here.

Amen, brother.

Like a fun-loving, obese hippie, he spread sunshine and joy 'neat his sandaled feet.

[EliSnow]

It's not a "problem" in the sense that it will change our lives, but it's a problem in that this is no longer a fan site, but a moderator site. Whether you're allowed to speak your mind becomes totally dependent on which mod agrees or disagrees with your point of view.

So we should have a RF.net Supreme Court to hear appeals on deletions, etc. to set viable precedents?

[Gvac]

So we should have a RF.net Supreme Court to hear appeals on deletions, etc. to set viable precedents?

Nope, just GROUND RULES!

[reillyluck]

there's nothing cooler than duking it out on the innerwebs! viva la revolution!

[Snacks]

i say do as you please. this is the internet message board. you should be able to say and do things on here that you might not do in person in public. sometimes you want to scream fuck but you cant. on here is the place you can.

[Gvac]

It doesn't happen that often. Most of the threads that disapper are of the spam variety.

And sometimes threads that should "disappear" don't.

There have been instances where people have signed up for the sole purpose of posting something hateful against another member. They attack them personally, viciously, and savagely. They are immediately banned, which of course should be the case, but their posts are left there.

What's the point?

[Gvac]

there's nothing cooler than duking it out on the innerwebs!

Especially for people who are terrified of face to face confrontation!

[DolaMight]

Not Safe For Work, used to refer to documents that would probably get you fired if you were looking at them on worktime. Usually R rated or higher.

In short NSFW means viewing content that puts you at risk for being fired.

It's generally understood that NSFW refers to nudity/pornography not simply profanity. IT security typically logs visits to known explicit sites not the specific language of the site. It would take too many resources to do that effectively.

In the past some have posted that profanity is considered NSFW at their workplace. If that is true it can be assumed that viewing non-work related sites is unsafe and it certainly can be assumed that listening to a man insert foreign objects into his rectal cavity as grounds for dismissal as well.

Profanity should not be censored with the exception of thread titles because google's magical space algorithm weighs thread titles higher than the body of the post. We don't need to rank high on the list of SCAT results every time ESD is on O&A.

The language and content of a fan board should reflect the the same rules that the show does. RF.net has mirrored that effectively since I've been here.

When in doubt simply ask yourself what would Ron think and that's the line.

[reillyluck]

Especially for people who are terrified of face to face confrontation!

hello exactly!

[RhinoinMN]

I guess I am ignorant to the subject. Things haven't changed, that I can tell, since I joined, but I am fairly new.

If I knew what it was like years ago, I would have more to add.

I think that I fully understand what is appropriate and what is not. I do not have any malice about my personality.

I do feel that there are many things that I would like to post, but don't with fear that I am going to get shit from a mod. This is what I thought the board was about. If you think that you are going to offend, then don't post. The only problem is that I don't think that I will offend people, but a mod/admin will tell me otherwise.

Steel Cage would be cool.

When there was a Steel Cage forum, was there a mod for it?

[PhishHead]

I like Eli's mention of a Supreme Court. I would love to be the Scalia of the court.

[reillyluck]

NOBODY has the right to abuse another board member. If you feel you are being abused on the board or in private messages please alert a MOD/ADMIN. Here are some ways to gain respect with our members. THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE! Follow the general rules. Be intelligent and humorous, consider these discussions to be like any other conversation you would have in real life. Be productive and contribute intelligence and wit to the discussions, don't try too hard to be funny or impressive, just act naturally. Remember, nobody likes a character.

[Gvac]

NOBODY has the right to abuse another board member. If you feel you are being abused on the board or in private messages please alert a MOD/ADMIN. Here are some ways to gain respect with our members. THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE! Follow the general rules. Be intelligent and humorous, consider these discussions to be like any other conversation you would have in real life. Be productive and contribute intelligence and wit to the discussions, don't try too hard to be funny or impressive, just act naturally. Remember, nobody likes a character.

hello exactly!

[SinA]

This truly is an alien moral dilemma.

For years I only dotnetted on my home computer and I was pretty much an anything goes kind of poster. Back then I was all about free speech and the PAC. Now that I'm I grown up and I come here on a computer that might even be monitored (my real world character is a dotgov), I'm a little more careful and have to stay out of onion booty threads just in case.

I think that there are times for either/both for everybody at different times.

[reillyluck]

hello exactly!

lock it up!

[DolaMight]

Remember, nobody likes a character.

What? Who doesn't like The Majik Man or Neckbeard?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

fuck being friendly

most people are friendly outside here edit: and people online who have a friendly repore on here

For those people (especially me who gets the brunt of the abuse) who know each other and can handle it, separate rules should apply.


as far as guests of the show and staff members, most regulars know how to go with the flow and are not too harsh on the talent , interns and regular guests

if that gets out of control, then police it on a case by case


I wont rant further, but who wants to be a part of niceville

[RhinoinMN]

NOBODY has the right to abuse another board member. If you feel you are being abused on the board or in private messages please alert a MOD/ADMIN. Here are some ways to gain respect with our members. THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE! Follow the general rules. Be intelligent and humorous, consider these discussions to be like any other conversation you would have in real life. Be productive and contribute intelligence and wit to the discussions, don't try too hard to be funny or impressive, just act naturally. Remember, nobody likes a character.

Right.
Respect for one's mods/admins gives character.
Just because you are a character doesn't mean that you have character.

[mikeyboy]

hello exactly!

So, you like the language that's in the FAQ?

[reillyluck]

fuck being friendly

most people are friendly outside here edit: and built a friendly repore on here

For those people (especially me who gets the brunt of the abuse) who know each other and can handle it, separate rules should apply.


as far as guests of the show and staff members, most regulars know how to go with the flow and are not too harsh on the talent , interns and regular guests

if that gets out of control, then police it on a case by case


I wont rant further, but who wants to be a part of niceville


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[ChimneyFish]

This wouldn't be happening if Fat_Sunny was still here.

Amen, brother.

Like a fun-loving, obese hippie, he spread sunshine and joy 'neat his sandaled feet.

And he actually sent me a CD I recommended, that he wasn't into.

The man was nothing less than a Saint.

[Hottub]

I just took a look at the "deleted threads". As Mikey said, they are pretty much spam, with 1 or 2 completly assine threads by trolls. Duplicate threads are usually merged now.

The moderators have been hand picked by the owners and administrators of this board. All we try to do is keep things within the very few restrictions that there are. These have been brought up many times over the last few days.
Spam
Personal attacks
Nudity and other NSFW material.

It's really not rocket science. I can type cocksucker smack in the middle of this thread, and no worries (as long as I am not calling you a cocksucker) If I post a picture of cock sucking, we have a problem.
I also like to see the tread titles kept clean. Name your thread "...d-sipper instead.

You want boobies, there are a million places to go. It is pretty important to keep the board SFW, since the show is on during work. I used to stop by the Whackbag listening thread, but had to stop. Just the sigs alone made it impossible.

Thanks,
Tub.

[Gvac]

So, you like the language that's in the FAQ?

No. My problem is that it's impossible to know who is and isn't "a character."

I'm not just talking about board characters, either.

The way some people present themselves on the internet is more often than not the polar opposite of what they're like in real life. This is especially true of the classic "internet tough guy."

I'd venture to say that 90% of the people on the internet (not just this board) say things online that they would never say to someone face to face.

[mikeyboy]

No. My problem is that it's impossible to know who is and isn't "a character."

I'm not just talking about board characters, either.

The way some people present themselves on the internet is more often than not the polar opposite of what they're like in real life. This is especially true of the classic "internet tough guy."

I'd venture to say that 90% of the people on the internet (not just this board) say things online that they would never say to someone face to face.

Honestly, I've never really liked that part of the FAQ. It dates back to 2001 or 2002, I think. That could definitely use some tweaking.

[Hottub]

No. My problem is that it's impossible to know who is and isn't "a character."

I'm not just talking about board characters, either.

The way some people present themselves on the internet is more often than not the polar opposite of what they're like in real life. This is especially true of the classic "internet tough guy."

I'd venture to say that 90% of the people on the internet (not just this board) say things online that they would never say to someone face to face.

I'm gonna kick your ass Saturday night!:huh:

[reillyluck]

Honestly, I've never really liked that part of the FAQ. It dates back to 2001 or 2002, I think. That could definitely use some tweaking.

i've never cared for the word tweaking. wanna make something of it?

lets get ready to rumble!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tall_James]

i've never cared for the word tweaking. wanna make something of it?

Even nipple tweaking?

[mikeyboy]

Even nipple tweaking?

tweak-off in the staff room in 15 minutes!

[reillyluck]

tweak-off in the staff room in 15 minutes!

tub's nurples are already purple.

[Team_Ramrod]

I just took a look at the "deleted threads". As Mikey said, they are pretty much spam, with 1 or 2 completly assine threads by trolls. Duplicate threads are usually merged now.

The moderators have been hand picked by the owners and administrators of this board. All we try to do is keep things within the very few restrictions that there are. These have been brought up many times over the last few days.
Spam
Personal attacks
Nudity and other NSFW material.

It's really not rocket science. I can type cocksucker smack in the middle of this thread, and no worries (as long as I am not calling you a cocksucker) If I post a picture of cock sucking, we have a problem.
I also like to see the tread titles kept clean. Name your thread "...d-sipper instead.

You want boobies, there are a million places to go. It is pretty important to keep the board SFW, since the show is on during work. I used to stop by the Whackbag listening thread, but had to stop. Just the sigs alone made it impossible.

Thanks,
Tub.



I can't stop thinking about my impending evening with Mrs. Tub....

[SinA]

I just took a look at the "deleted threads". As Mikey said, they are pretty much spam, with 1 or 2 completly assine threads by trolls. Duplicate threads are usually merged now.

The moderators have been hand picked by the owners and administrators of this board. All we try to do is keep things within the very few restrictions that there are. These have been brought up many times over the last few days.
Spam
Personal attacks
Nudity and other NSFW material.

It's really not rocket science. I can type cocksucker smack in the middle of this thread, and no worries (as long as I am not calling you a cocksucker) If I post a picture of cock sucking, we have a problem.
I also like to see the tread titles kept clean. Name your thread "...d-sipper instead.

You want boobies, there are a million places to go. It is pretty important to keep the board SFW, since the show is on during work. I used to stop by the Whackbag listening thread, but had to stop. Just the sigs alone made it impossible.

Thanks,
Tub.

come on now. you don't have to work blue.

yes the show is on during work hours (for most of us) but a lot of people use the board after work and on weekends.. or when they're drunk.

could there be some no-nsfw zones (including lisening threads), or have the site be sfw from 9am-5pm and nsfw from 5pm-9am, or have a setting to block all nsfw stuff?

[Hottub]

tweak-off in the staff room in 15 minutes!

I'm there! Where the hell is Fallon?

[Hottub]

I can't stop thinking about my impending evening with Mrs. Tub....

Me neither. It's gonna be like Doug and Scot all over again.

[Bossanova]

No. My problem is that it's impossible to know who is and isn't "a character."

I'm not just talking about board characters, either.

The way some people present themselves on the internet is more often than not the polar opposite of what they're like in real life. This is especially true of the classic "internet tough guy."

I'd venture to say that 90% of the people on the internet (not just this board) say things online that they would never say to someone face to face.

I thought you loved me:glurps:

[Team_Ramrod]

I'm there! Where the hell is Fallon?

I've been with you all the time, tub.... c'mon bro, back me up

[EliSnow]

tweak-off in the staff room in 15 minutes!

I'm there!!!

[Gvac]

I thought you oved me:glurps:

You know I do.

And I've told you that to your face just as I have here on the board.

Apparently we're exceptions, though.

[EliSnow]

I The moderators have been hand picked by the owners and administrators of this board. All we try to do is keep things within the very few restrictions that there are. These have been brought up many times over the last few days.
Spam
Personal attacks
Nudity and other NSFW material.


I still want to ban people for flagrant stupidity.

[mikeyboy]

Me neither. It's gonna be like Doug and Scot all over again.

:lol:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

this never would be an issue on 1.0

[RhinoinMN]

I still want to ban people for flagrant stupidity.

<----------
Running for the hills.

[Bossanova]

You know I do.

And I've told you that to your face just as I have here on the board.

Apparently we're exceptions, though.

True, our love and our ability to be cold hearted pricks rides true in real life as well.

Fa.....................

[Team_Ramrod]

I still want to ban people for flagrant stupidity.

Note to self.......


Stay out of the Ask the Oracle Forum.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Note to self.......


Stay out of the Ask the Oracle Forum.

QFT

mental note, do not ask the oracle "Where's the Beef"

[Tenbatsuzen]

one has to wonder with so many complaints about the board that people just don't pack up and start their own.

[Team_Ramrod]

this never would be an issue on 1.0

QFT!!!!!!!!!

[RhinoinMN]

I've been with you all the time, tub.... c'mon broke back me up

fixed it.

[Team_Ramrod]

one has to wonder with so many complaints about the board that people just don't pack up and start their own.

I admit... I giggled

[mikeyboy]

Wait. In all of the rules and standards that we've discussed, none seem to give me the power to arbitrarily ban Hippo and Kevin.

That's fucked up.

[Team_Ramrod]

fixed it.

I wish!!!!

[ChimneyFish]

I'd venture to say that 90% of the people on the internet (not just this board) say things online that they would never say to someone face to face.

But....but....I really, really do like mashed potatoes.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c217/luxa1/garlic_mashed_potatoes_2.jpg

[RhinoinMN]

QFT

mental note, do not ask the oracle "Where's the Beef"

and do not associate Quantum Leap with ........shit I forgot the name of that show already.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Wait. In all of the rules and standards that we've discussed, none seem to give me the power to arbitrarily ban Hippo and Kevin.

That's fucked up.

so 2007

id say ban douggrasso in 08, but that might get him back on the bottle

[ChimneyFish]

and do not associate Quantum Leap with ........shit I forgot the name of that show already.

I believe you're thinking of "My Name is Chuck".:smoke:

[Tenbatsuzen]

No. My problem is that it's impossible to know who is and isn't "a character."

I'm not just talking about board characters, either.

The way some people present themselves on the internet is more often than not the polar opposite of what they're like in real life. This is especially true of the classic "internet tough guy."

I'd venture to say that 90% of the people on the internet (not just this board) say things online that they would never say to someone face to face.

Well, here's the thing.

Messageboards are very very different than real life. People know who I am, and if they have an issue with me, they are more than welcome to bring it up to me in public. The only person who stepped to me in public was Moe, and for that, I respect, even though, at the time, I was stopping from openly chuckling in his face.

Let's flip this around. Would you walk into a bar and start saying how you're gassy?

You and I have spoken before, but here's the difference: On this board, I have to see your posts. I could choose to ignore them, and for the most part, I do. In real life, there's a difference between being an internet pussy and being civil. I have no issue being civil because as you've noted, people are different in real life than on the board. The number one comment I've always gotten from people is that I'm so much different in real life than on the board, and that's the truth.

You and I have nothing in common besides the fact that we enjoy hockey and football and Ron and Fez. RonfEz.net, and the messageboards, are high school. They ALWAYS have been. It's up to the poster if they want to bring high school to real life. I choose not to. I hang out, I drink my beer, I talk with people I know, I leave.

You see me how you WANT to see me. (Sincerely, the breakfast club) The reason why I post the way I do is because it allows me to keep people at an arm's distance. If you consider me acidic, fine. It allows me to weed out the people who can hang and the people who can't. if they want to see me as an asshole and give me no chance for real life redemption, so be it. I DON'T want to be everyone's friend and I never professed I wanted to.

A year ago, I fucking KILLED Deb on this website. I just DESTROYED her, to the point where people wanted my blood. Six months later, I'm fucking drinking with her in Jersey and she's inviting me to Paltalk.

That's what I'm talking about.

[Gvac]

one has to wonder with so many complaints about the board that people just don't pack up and start their own.

This poll was started in response to a squabble between two Administrators of this site on how this board should be run. It began in this thread (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=68815&page=2).

I think everyone here is discussing the issue in a rational manner. No one is "complaining" or has expressed any desire to leave and start their own messageboard.

[RhinoinMN]

The number one comment I've always gotten from people is that I'm so much different in real life than on the board, and that's the truth.


Why are you different on the board than in real life?

[Gvac]

Steel Cage would be cool.

When there was a Steel Cage forum, was there a mod for it?

Yes there was.

If memory serves me correctly, the Steel Cage forum was the brainchild of The Heckler (Blowhard) and moderated by a mysterious administrator known only as 'Maximus.'

[RhinoinMN]

Yes there was.

If memory serves me correctly, the Steel Cage forum was the brainchild of The Heckler (Blowhard) and moderated by a mysterious administrator known only as 'Maximus.'

I was just curious. If there was an "everything goes" attitude I would assume that a mod wouldn't be necessary. Maximus was probably very just though.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why are you different on the board than in real life?

That's how people see me. Personally, I don't see that much of a difference. I'm at times awkward, sometimes make witty and/or ridiculous comments, and mutual goofing with my wife.

[Gvac]

The number one comment I've always gotten from people is that I'm so much different in real life than on the board, and that's the truth.

Why are you different on the board than in real life?

I'm telling you Rhino...this is something I've learned the hard way.

Most people are not at all what they seem to be on the internet.

I guess I'm old school; what you see is what you get. For all intents and purposes, "Gvac" = Greg.

This is not the case for the majority.

I guess a lot of people aren't comfortable with who they are in "real life" so they create a persona on the internet that makes them feel better about themselves. Kind of a superhero alter ego.

Sad, really.

[underdog]

It doesn't happen that often. Most of the threads that disapper are of the spam variety.

Oh, well that's good. PanterA just had me worried.

[RhinoinMN]

That's how people see me. Personally, I don't see that much of a difference. I'm at times awkward, sometimes make witty and/or ridiculous comments, and mutual goofing with my wife.

I just misunderstood your comment. When you said "and that's the truth" I thought you were admitting to having dual personalities. My bad.

I am exactly the person you read. If I saw Gvac in person I would ravage his ass.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm telling you Rhino...this is something I've learned the hard way.

Most people are not at all what they seem to be on the internet.

I guess I'm old school; what you see is what you get. For all intents and purposes, "Gvac" = Greg.

This is not the case for the majority.

I guess a lot of people aren't comfortable with who they are in "real life" so they create a persona on the internet that makes them feel better about themselves. Kind of a superhero alter ego.

Sad, really.

So what advantage do I have by acting like the asshole I made out to be, other than the reasons I professed that I prefer to keep people at a distance?

It's not a "superhero complex", it's a defense mechanism.

[RhinoinMN]

I'm telling you Rhino...this is something I've learned the hard way.

Most people are not at all what they seem to be on the internet.

I guess I'm old school; what you see is what you get. For all intents and purposes, "Gvac" = Greg.

This is not the case for the majority.

I guess a lot of people aren't comfortable with who they are in "real life" so they create a persona on the internet that makes them feel better about themselves. Kind of a superhero alter ego.

Sad, really.

Oh, how you read my mind.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just misunderstood your comment. When you said "and that's the truth" I thought you were admitting to having dual personalities. My bad.

I am exactly the person you read. If I saw Gvac in person I would ravage his ass.

Yes, I'm sorry, I meant to say that it's truthful that people tell me I'm so different on the board than I am in person. Not that I'm completely different on the board than I am in person. I chalk this up to awkwardness and bad psychology.

[mikeyboy]

I'm telling you Rhino...this is something I've learned the hard way.

Most people are not at all what they seem to be on the internet.

I guess I'm old school; what you see is what you get. For all intents and purposes, "Gvac" = Greg.

This is not the case for the majority.

I guess a lot of people aren't comfortable with who they are in "real life" so they create a persona on the internet that makes them feel better about themselves. Kind of a superhero alter ego.

Sad, really.

You're less of a first-class prick in real life.

[underdog]

So what advantage do I have by acting like the asshole I made out to be, other than the reasons I professed that I prefer to keep people at a distance?

Are you trying to say that you're not an asshole on the board, you're just made out to be one?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'll explain where my "honesty in posting" policy comes from.

Comes from two sources:

1) People making up shit about me on the internet and it trickling into real life

2) People who I don't want to hang out or be associated with latching on to me.

I can get into a philosophical discussion about this, but it is what it is.

[Hottub]

I'm telling you Rhino...this is something I've learned the hard way.

Most people are not at all what they seem to be on the internet.

I guess I'm old school; what you see is what you get. For all intents and purposes, "Gvac" = Greg.

This is not the case for the majority.

I guess a lot of people aren't comfortable with who they are in "real life" so they create a persona on the internet that makes them feel better about themselves. Kind of a superhero alter ego.

Sad, really.

X2

And for the most part, it really pays off in the "real world". There are people on this board that I truly call my friends.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Are you trying to say that you're not an asshole on the board, you're just made out to be one?

Again, depends on how you see me. Some people consider me to be an asshole, some people consider me to be "less than tactful". I'm the first person to admit I'm an asshole, because I see myself as one, both here and real life.

A lovable asshole, but an asshole nonetheless.

[RhinoinMN]

Are you trying to say that you're not an asshole on the board, you're just made out to be one?
No, he is saying that he did it to himself.
So what advantage do I have by acting like the asshole I made out to be, other than the reasons I professed that I prefer to keep people at a distance?

It's not a "superhero complex", it's a defense mechanism.

[FUNKMAN]

prefer to keep it as is... still think it's the best board around

then again i've never ventured onto any other boards other than a quick view

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I'm telling you Rhino...this is something I've learned the hard way.

Most people are not at all what they seem to be on the internet.

I guess I'm old school; what you see is what you get. For all intents and purposes, "Gvac" = Greg.

This is not the case for the majority.

I guess a lot of people aren't comfortable with who they are in "real life" so they create a persona on the internet that makes them feel better about themselves. Kind of a superhero alter ego.

Sad, really.

QFT

I talk more fast then I post

I am who I am, I dont try to be different on here then in real life

people should just be themselves

[Tenbatsuzen]

But who is technically "not themselves", Hippo?

[BoondockSaint]

In person I'm the same as I am on here. Smart, witty, and extremely handsome.

[Marc with a c]

i prefer the lent '08 version of ronfez.net

[King Hippos Bandaid]

But who is technically "not themselves", Hippo?

you'd be surprised, many people who I expect to talkative are very shy

[Bossanova]

I am a bore fest in person. I promise

[TheMojoPin]

Did the Steel Cage exist for, like, a month? I know I only lurked my first year here, but I don't remember it at all and I wanna read the fuck out of it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

you'd be surprised, many people who I expect to talkative are very shy

Are you confusing "shy" with "doesn't want to talk to you"?

[angrymissy]

Did the Steel Cage exist for, like, a month? I know I only lurked my first year here, but I don't remember it at all and I wanna read the fuck out of it.

Seriously, I think it lasted about a week. Not even kidding.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Are you confusing "shy" with "doesn't want to talk to you"?

And that was my Marc with a C moment.

[Marc with a c]

Are you confusing "shy" with "doesn't want to talk to you"?

i must be the most shy person in the world

[Tenbatsuzen]

Seriously, I think it lasted about a week. Not even kidding.

I seem to remember being called in there more than a few times, with names like Poison Ivy, ImpactPlayer, etc coming to mind.

[TheMojoPin]

Seriously, I think it lasted about a week. Not even kidding.

That's pretty much what I figured. What was the killing blow?

[Hottub]

I am a bore fest in person. I promise

*erases Boss' name from the Bar List*

[Tenbatsuzen]

i must be the most shy person in the world

See above.

[Marc with a c]

And that was my Marc with a C moment.

i laughed. i am so witty

[Tenbatsuzen]

That's pretty much what I figured. What was the killing blow?

Physical threats, if memory serves. Or posting of personal info. Or Froy cock pics.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm a sexy sexbot in person. Programmed for sex.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Are you confusing "shy" with "doesn't want to talk to you"?


nah I mean in general not just with me

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm a sexy sexbot in person. Programmed for sex.

...you look like the guitarist for Hootie and the Blowfish. WTF?

edit:
http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1998/oct/10-01-98/photos/hootie.gif

[Hottub]

Your brother is WAY hotter.

[TheMojoPin]

...you look like the guitarist for Hootie and the Blowfish. WTF?

edit:
http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1998/oct/10-01-98/photos/hootie.gif

Zuh?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Zuh?

Find me that sig pic of you saying "No Sir, I'm the Homo!"

[EliSnow]

and do not associate Quantum Leap with ........shit I forgot the name of that show already.

I just gave you an infraction for this insult to Journeyman.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Your brother is WAY hotter.


nah Im hotter


he is skinnier


chicks dig me more

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just gave you an infraction for this insult to Journeyman.

What is this "Journeyman" you speak of? The Kenny Lofton Story?

[SatCam]

G, I am not trying to start shit but hear me out,,,

Why is it that every thread I read is something negative about the site posted by you? Do you actually participate in the site other than telling us how bad this place is now? It seems like every other thread is about you. It is happening too much and it really isn't that interesting anymore. I constantly feel like every thread you have started in the past 6 months is about how much you hate this place. Or how much you love the place but hate the people. Or how much you love the people but hate the staff. Etc.

I did read thru the Fuck Danny thread and I agree the admin was out of line, but it is an isolated incident. Yes, you did have a thread title changed, and you were flamed countless times by staff. But that kind of stuff goes with the site. I honestly don't hear other members complain like you do about the most trivial shit. If someone has a squabble with the site they either suck it up and deal or they leave.

In the past I have busted on you and you have busted on me (probably for you being old and me being young) but here is some serious constructive criticism. The threads that dont involve you seem to be business as usual, but lately it feels like whenever gvac is involved the fun gets sucked away.

-thanks,
kevin

PS Maybe this is one big joke and I am not getting it? Please inform if this is the case

[PhishHead]

you'd be surprised, many people who I expect to talkative are very shy

I am a bore fest in person. I promise

Hippo is awesome in person and exactly the same. He is hotter then randy as well and he doesn't hit me.

Boss is the furthest thing from a bore in person. He was born.

[furie]

i only come here because it's funny and friendly.

that being said, i don't mind profanity

[Stankfoot]

less gay?

[Hottub]

nah Im hotter


he is skinnier


chicks dig me more

I was talking about Mojo's brother!

Oooh! Smokin'!!

[TheMojoPin]

I was talking about Mojo's brother!

Oooh! Smokin'!!

He is the dreamy one, dammit.

[reillyluck]

less gay?

no, no stankfoot! their keepin' it "real".

[Stankfoot]

no, no stankfoot! their keepin' it "real".

Happy Birthday Missy!

[sailor]

Most people are not at all what they seem to be on the internet.


just from the people from here i've met i don't think this is true at all.

[SinA]

Well, here's the thing.

blah blah

You see me how you WANT to see me. (Sincerely, the breakfast club) The reason why I post the way I do is because it allows me to keep people at an arm's distance. If you consider me acidic, fine. It allows me to weed out the people who can hang and the people who can't. if they want to see me as an asshole and give me no chance for real life redemption, so be it. I DON'T want to be everyone's friend and I never professed I wanted to.

blah blah

That's what I'm talking about.

I agree completly with that long, boring post. I might however, turn it around and say that we also see ronfez.net the way we WANT to se ronfez.net (Sincerely, Matty Fridays).
To some people it's preppies and nerds, a place for discussions and debates.
To others it's jocks and stoners, a place for buttsex jokes and poop.

[sailor]

To some people it's preppies and nerds, a place for discussions and debates.
To others it's jocks and stoners, a place for buttsex jokes and poop.

at the same time??



http://img142.echo.cx/img142/6573/ewwww9dq.gif

[Gvac]

PS Maybe this is one big joke and I am not getting it?

:bye:

[The Midnight Tiger]

I wanted to join a non sensative board baby, I hope i found it. Not some board that hates slurs and fun language. Glad to join such a fun board baby.

Great American Straights

[Friday]

I wanted to join a non sensative board baby, I hope i found it. Not some board that hates slurs and fun language. Glad to join such a fun board baby.

Great American Straights

have we met before? http://www.wackbag.com/images/smilies/kopfkratz.gif

[TheMojoPin]

Great American Straights

Oxymoron.

[PapaBear]

Oxymoron.
Mods are insulting people, now? Calling somebody stoopid aren't nice!:nono:

[spoon]

It's not a "problem" in the sense that it will change our lives, but it's a problem in that this is no longer a fan site, but a moderator site. Whether you're allowed to speak your mind becomes totally dependent on which mod agrees or disagrees with your point of view.

Well said. And yes it does happen Mikey. Especially now that we have a mod for every day of the f'n year.

[spoon]

there's nothing cooler than duking it out on the innerwebs! viva la revolution!

Everyone leans on this but in reality it's where a ton of discussion/arguments take place in 2007 love it or not. Hence G has some very good points on this whole thing as it is maddening to be banned bc someone is a friend of the other person in an argument, or bc they just don't like your point/take. People need to get thicker skin as well, bc they get all crazy as soon as they get push back versus all the ass kissing.

[spoon]

i say do as you please. this is the internet message board. you should be able to say and do things on here that you might not do in person in public. sometimes you want to scream fuck but you cant. on here is the place you can.

Exactly.

[spoon]

Well, here's the thing.

Messageboards are very very different than real life. People know who I am, and if they have an issue with me, they are more than welcome to bring it up to me in public. The only person who stepped to me in public was Moe, and for that, I respect, even though, at the time, I was stopping from openly chuckling in his face.

Let's flip this around. Would you walk into a bar and start saying how you're gassy?

You and I have spoken before, but here's the difference: On this board, I have to see your posts. I could choose to ignore them, and for the most part, I do. In real life, there's a difference between being an internet pussy and being civil. I have no issue being civil because as you've noted, people are different in real life than on the board. The number one comment I've always gotten from people is that I'm so much different in real life than on the board, and that's the truth.

You and I have nothing in common besides the fact that we enjoy hockey and football and Ron and Fez. RonfEz.net, and the messageboards, are high school. They ALWAYS have been. It's up to the poster if they want to bring high school to real life. I choose not to. I hang out, I drink my beer, I talk with people I know, I leave.

You see me how you WANT to see me. (Sincerely, the breakfast club) The reason why I post the way I do is because it allows me to keep people at an arm's distance. If you consider me acidic, fine. It allows me to weed out the people who can hang and the people who can't. if they want to see me as an asshole and give me no chance for real life redemption, so be it. I DON'T want to be everyone's friend and I never professed I wanted to.

A year ago, I fucking KILLED Deb on this website. I just DESTROYED her, to the point where people wanted my blood. Six months later, I'm fucking drinking with her in Jersey and she's inviting me to Paltalk.

That's what I'm talking about.

Wait, Moe!? Really!? MOE?????!!!!

And by "killed deb" you give yourself WAY too much credit. I saw some of your points, but to say you "destroyed" her is over the top. Now I'm sure you (hopefully) mean that you attacked her, but your verbiage suggest you destroyed her in argument.

[spoon]

I'm telling you Rhino...this is something I've learned the hard way.

Most people are not at all what they seem to be on the internet.

I guess I'm old school; what you see is what you get. For all intents and purposes, "Gvac" = Greg.

This is not the case for the majority.

I guess a lot of people aren't comfortable with who they are in "real life" so they create a persona on the internet that makes them feel better about themselves. Kind of a superhero alter ego.

Sad, really.

Sad indeed, but it needs to be pointed out as well that some people look to these sites for TOTALLY different reasons. Many are here as casual fans, others are crazed and want attention, while some like to debate certain topics and stick to certain forums. So being that people are here for different reasons and have fun via different venues when here, you're destined to have some clashes.....and for me, that's fucking hilarious AND fun. :devil2:

[spoon]

I'll explain where my "honesty in posting" policy comes from.

Comes from two sources:

1) People making up shit about me on the internet and it trickling into real life

2) People who I don't want to hang out or be associated with latching on to me.
I can get into a philosophical discussion about this, but it is what it is.

Thank you Tenbats!! #2 might be the funniest thing I've ever read in my entire fucking life!! Thanks for the mid-afternoon laugh!!

[spoon]

You're less of a first-class prick in real life.

Personal attack!!! Ban him (I read the rules baby!) :wink:

[Knowledged_one]

I think part of the problem is the old guard here want things to be the way things were in 2002 but thats not how things will be anymore, and hoping to change the way things are around here to match those ideals is unfair to those that have evolved along with the board. the sad fact is that Aggie, crippler, McNabb Should die and a lot of people from those days arent walking through the door to make it that way. I think most people would say that the evolution from a radio show board to more of a social board is a good thing and we shouldnt have to go back to the old ways because the old guard want it that way now

[RhinoinMN]

I just gave you an infraction for this insult to Journeyman.

Way to reiterate Gvac's point :)

[EliSnow]

Way to reiterate Gvac's point :)

Thank you.

[RhinoinMN]

Thank you.

Sorry that I left you swinging for so long, but I did laugh damn hard when I signed on later that night.

[Gvac]

I wish I could edit the poll to include a third option - somewhere in between, with vague and mysterious rules and regulations! :innocent::bye::huh::surrender::annoyed::wink::thu mbup::laugh::tongue:

[TheMojoPin]

Gvac is the Thomas Paine of message boards.

[Gvac]

Gvac is the Thomas Paine of message boards.

Some would say you're only half right.

[A.J.]

Some would say you're only half right.

That's your judgment.