2009 New York Yankees Season Discussion

[TheMojoPin]

im not saying any of that though, im not saying hes bad, im not saying he sucks, im not saying he doesnt produce.......none of that. all im saying is im baffled at how many times he comes up with RISP and starts off his at-bat 0-2 or 1-2. thats something stats dont show you.

...

Actually, they show us that that simply isn't the case at all.

Again, his numbers with runners on, in scoring position or otherwise, are very good. His numbers with 1-2 or 0-2 counts are bad. If he was getting into those counts with ANY kind of regularity with runners on, his numbers with runners on would then obviously not be as good as they are.

Or, to put it another way...

His hitting with those counts simply isn't good...not that they're good with the bases empty or runners on...just not good in general. If he was getting those counts often with runners on, his numbers with runners on would not be anywhere nar as good as they are this season or over his career.

It's just logic. The answer is right there. We don't have to guess.

[Kevin]

Indians ready to shop Sabathia?
Posted: Friday June 13, 2008 05:03AM ET

A painful swing by the Indians' Victor Martinez on Wednesday could have significant ramifications for the Yankees. An elbow injury to Martinez all but ended the Indians' flickering playoff hopes, and will probably lead to a trade of the ace left-hander C. C. Sabathia. If Sabathia is on the trade market, the Yankees will have strong interest. the Indians would ask for a lot, and teams like the Cubs and the Red Sox may also have interest. But because they trail in the standings, the Yankees theoretically would have the greatest need.

After losing out on Johan. I think Hank will do what it takes to get him.

[lleeder]

Fuck that fat tub of goo. I'd rather see the Yankees trade for C.C. Deville first.

[Tenbatsuzen]

God, Minute Maid park is an awful looking stadium. Worse than the Rays.

[Kevin]

Facing an all-time great like Chicon in a pitchers park like Minute made, you can understand why they only have 1 run in 4.5 inns....

[Kevin]

Veres has great stuff. He could play a big role this year.

[Kevin]

Oh goodie!

[BoondockSaint]

Veres has great stuff. He could play a big role this year.

I was going to fix it but...

[lleeder]

No Mo = OH NO :surrender:

[Kevin]

Oh goodie!

Right as always.

FARNSWORTH IS THE SHIT!

[TheGameHHH]

God, Minute Maid park is an awful looking stadium. Worse than the Rays.

i swear man, for all the ripping Tropicana Field takes its really not a bad place to see a game at all. dolphin stadium sucks wayyyyy more.

[A.J.]

Fuck that fat tub of goo. I'd rather see the Yankees trade for C.C. Deville first.

He has the perfect accent.

[TheMojoPin]

God, Minute Maid park is an awful looking stadium. Worse than the Rays.

Minute Maid Park is an embarassment to baseball. The ridiculous short porch in LF, poles on the field, a fucking hill in CF, the ridiculous routes the yellow line takes along the back wall, the stupid train...it looks like a minature golf course.

[Kevin]

Minute Maid Park is an embarassment to baseball. The ridiculous short porch in LF, poles on the field, a fucking hill in CF, the ridiculous routes the yellow line takes along the back wall, the stupid train...it looks like a minature golf course.


Does Houston ever get anything right? The Astro Dome sucked ass from the start.

[A.J.]

Does Houston ever get anything right?

Well, they got Apollo 13 home safely.

[Kevin]

Well, they got Apollo 13 home safely.

The Challenger went smoothly too.

[A.J.]

That was Florida's fault.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That was Florida's fault.

True.

Don't forget about the original name of Houston's park

[Kevin]

True.

Don't forget about the original name of Houston's park

That was a nice wholesome mom and pop corp.

[Kevin]

That was Florida's fault.

That's right...

Houston prob had some input there too. So i will blame them too.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That's right...

Houston prob had some input there too. So i will blame them too.

Not really. Florida's launch controllers gave the ok, even with the icing conditions. They had control of the flight til the shuttle hit orbit, and then control goes to Houston.

BTW:

Kevin after the 1st inning: "This is gay."

Kevin after the 2nd inning: "OK, this is less gay."

[TheGameHHH]

Not really. Florida's launch controllers gave the ok, even with the icing conditions. They had control of the flight til the shuttle hit orbit, and then control goes to Houston.

BTW:

Kevin after the 1st inning: "This is gay."

Kevin after the 2nd inning: "OK, this is less gay."

Still currently less gay, but theres plenty of game left

[Tenbatsuzen]

Still currently less gay, but theres plenty of game left

I think right now, it's partly gay with a chance of showers.

[Kevin]

I blame Houston for that gay start.

Then the manly heterosexuality of Arod and others for un gaying it.

[Doctor Z]

Thank God Ohlendorf is so good at pitching.

[Tenbatsuzen]

A high pressure system of gayness is forming in downtown Houston.

[Kevin]

A high pressure system of gayness is forming in downtown Houston.

Put down by the time being by an 'avg' heterosexual win.

[TheGameHHH]

holy shit, the yankees are 3 games over .500

[RingWraith]

holy shit, the yankees are 3 games over .500


"It's called a winning streak. It has happened before."

[TheGameHHH]

"It's called a winning streak. It has happened before."

hahahahahaha.........honestly this team reminds me of those Indians in so many ways

[TheMojoPin]

hahahahahaha.........honestly this team reminds me of those Indians in so many ways

They're fictional?

[Kevin]

Great play by Arod.

[TheGameHHH]

unreal.....wanger goes down running the bases

[Tenbatsuzen]

unreal.....wanger goes down running the bases

Ugh.

Somewhere, BDC is inconsolable.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That looked like a hammy, not an ankle.

[Kevin]

I blame Kevin.

[Doctor Z]

The Bad News:
Wang is hurt.

The Good News:
It's not arm-related, so it's probably not season-ending... and at least our offense is destroying.

[Kevin]

The Bad News:
Wang is hurt.

The Good News:
It's not arm-related, so it's probably not season-ending... and at least our offense is destroying.

If its hammy.

Yankee time table is ike 2 months. And it looked like a bad one, so i am not sure here..

[Doctor Z]

Where have you heard this? They haven't said anything on YES.

FUCKING NATIONAL LEAGUE. MAKING PITCHERS HIT... FUCKING FUCK.

Poor bastard was gonna win 20 games this season too.

[Kevin]

Where have you heard this? They haven't said anything on YES.

FUCKING NATIONAL LEAGUE. MAKING PITCHERS HIT... FUCKING FUCK.

Poor bastard was gonna win 20 games this season too.

I guess it could be a sprain but the was he came in, it kinda looked hammy. Hopefully its just a sprain.

[Doctor Z]

For all we know, it could've been a cramp. He was pointing to his foot.

And he wasn't running hard, that's the thing. There was no moment where you could point to and be like "THAT'S where he got hurt". He kinda just started limping.

Let's hope for the best here.

[TheGameHHH]

foot, he has a foot thing on his foot

[Tenbatsuzen]

foot, he has a foot thing on his foot

Nice callback.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Abraham says it's his foot. He SPECULATED it could be the achilles, which means done for the year.

[Kevin]

Is an 11-0 lead safe with Hawkins? We need a base hit here.

[Doctor Z]

Abraham says it's his foot. He SPECULATED it could be the achilles, which means done for the year.

Enough already.

[Doctor Z]

Ladies and gentlemen... The only time it's okay to throw LaTroy Hawkins.

[Towelie]

From Yahoo's box score:

Top 3rd: NY Yankees
- J. Posada walked, H. Matsui scored, A. Rodriguez to third, J. Giambi to second
- R. Cano singled to left, J. Giambi and A. Rodriguez scored, J. Posada to third
Top 6th: NY Yankees
- D. Jeter singled to right, R. Cano and C. Wang scored, J. Damon to third
- H. Matsui singled to center, J. Damon scored, D. Jeter to second
- A. Rodriguez homered to deep left center, D. Jeter and H. Matsui scored
- J. Posada homered to deep left center, J. Giambi scored
Top 8th: NY Yankees
- R. Cano walked, A. Rodriguez scored, C. Moeller to third, J. Posada to second
- M. Cabrera grounded into fielder's choice, C. Moeller scored, J. Posada to third, R. Cano out at second
Top 3rd: NY Yankees
- R. Cano walked, H. Matsui scored, A. Rodriguez to third, J. Giambi to second
- R. Cano singled to shallow left, J. Giambi and A. Rodriguez scored, J. Posada to third
Top 6th: NY Yankees
- R. Cano singled to right, R. Cano and C. Wang scored, J. Damon to third
- R. Cano singled to center, J. Damon scored, D. Jeter to second
- R. Cano homered to deep left center, D. Jeter and H. Matsui scored
- R. Cano homered to deep left center, J. Giambi scored
Top 8th: NY Yankees
- R. Cano walked, A. Rodriguez scored, C. Moeller to third, J. Posada to second
- R. Cano grounded into fielder's choice, C. Moeller scored, J. Posada to third, R. Cano out at second

So Cano was
6-8
2 HR
4 R
2 BB
17 RBI (singled himself in too)

Not a bad fantasy day.

[JPMNICK]

i really hope this wong thing does not turn out to be serious

[Kevin]

i really hope this wong thing does not turn out to be serious

Girardi said sprain with tests to come tomorrow.

Who knows.

[RingWraith]

Ladies and gentlemen... The only time it's okay to throw LaTroy Hawkins.


You got that right!!!

[TheMojoPin]

8-1 over the next 9 to be at least 10 games over .500 (technically has to be 11 or 9 at this point) by June 27th. That brass ring is getting closer and closer!

[TheGameHHH]

8-1 over the next 9 to be at least 10 games over .500 (technically has to be 11 or 9 at this point) by June 27th. That brass ring is getting closer and closer!

what are u gonna say if they actually do it?

[TheMojoPin]

what are u gonna say if they actually do it?

Good job? Well done? Should I feel bad if the Yankees are winning? Peter Abraham is still an idiot and completely pulled that out of his ass. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, dude.

[MojoTeddybear]

According to article on ESPN, Wang said the injury was to the top of his foot. That doesn't sound like a sprain to me. :(

[Knowledged_one]

so the MRI is today huh, this is really bad news for the yankees, even a mid foot sprain will be bad. And if this speeds up the yankees trading for a CC Sabathia they will have to give up the farm to get him which may not disapoint you guys if they give up hughes or Kennedy

But i have to say the yankees have looked pretty ok over the last week or so but they are still mediocre and Cano still is a fat and happy average player after his new contract

[Knowledged_one]

what are u gonna say if they actually do it?

I think everyone will say

"wow hell really did freeze over"

[Knowledged_one]

and i cant believe that BDC really quit the board over the things that he said that we responded to.

Game you get credit from me for not being a thin skinned sissy boy and taking our ribbing

[TheGameHHH]

and i cant believe that BDC really quit the board over the things that he said that we responded to.

Game you get credit from me for not being a thin skinned sissy boy and taking our ribbing

cause im awesome, and ill punch all of u in the sides of your fat heads

[TheMojoPin]

and i cant believe that BDC really quit the board over the things that he said that we responded to.

Game you get credit from me for not being a thin skinned sissy boy and taking our ribbing

Is there a need to pile on when he's not even here?

[Knowledged_one]

but of course

[TheMojoPin]

but of course

Then it's one thing to talk about his baseball "knowledge," and another to call him a "thin skinned sissy boy."

[Knowledged_one]

Then it's one thing to talk about his baseball "knowledge," and another to call him a "thin skinned sissy boy."

well sissy boy might be a bit much but thin skinned is definetly apt

[Doctor Z]

What's the deal with Wang? It's been almost 24 hours and they still don't know what it is? C'mon folks, what's the fuckin' secret?

And WHY THE FUCK would we ever trade for Sabathia? He fucking sucks. Cy Young my balls. Beckett was the Cy Young last year and everybody knows it. He's fat and he pitched like shit against us in the post-season (but our offense was too nervous to do anything about it.) Then he got rocked against Boston. WHY DOES THAT KIND OF PLAYER APPEAL TO BRIAN CASHMAN?! FUCK SABATHIA. I don't want him AT ALL.

[TheMojoPin]

What's the deal with Wang? It's been almost 24 hours and they still don't know what it is? C'mon folks, what's the fuckin' secret?

And WHY THE FUCK would we ever trade for Sabathia? He fucking sucks. Cy Young my balls. Beckett was the Cy Young last year and everybody knows it. He's fat and he pitched like shit against us in the post-season (but our offense was too nervous to do anything about it.) Then he got rocked against Boston. WHY DOES THAT KIND OF PLAYER APPEAL TO BRIAN CASHMAN?! FUCK SABATHIA. I don't want him AT ALL.

Sabathia is one of the top pitchers in the game. I will never understand the Yankee fan determination to define a player almost completely by their extremely limited sample size playoff appearances. Do you know how many hump players excelled in the postseason but stunk or were mediocre the rest of the year for most of or even their entire career? The playoffs are ultimately a crapshoot.

[Knowledged_one]

Sabathia is one of the top pitchers in the game. I will never understand the Yankee fan determination to define a player almost completely by their extremely limited sample size playoff appearances. Do you know how many hump players excelled in the postseason but stunk or were mediocre the rest of the year for most of or even their entire career? The playoffs are ultimately a crapshoot.

Like Scott Brosius a mediocre player at best who got hot during the playoffs, didnt he win like a world series MVP or something

[TheMojoPin]

Like Scott Brosius a mediocre player at best who got hot during the playoffs, didnt he win like a world series MVP or something

The best recent example is David-fuckin'-Eckstein. Or almost the entire 2005 White Sox team.

[Doctor Z]

Sorry, but the Yankees don't need another guy who can win 15 games during the regular season and then shit the bed in October. We've already got Wang for that.

And I'll go on record as saying Sabathia is extremely overrated. If this guy goes on to be an ace for years to come, I'll eat my hat, but it ain't happening. Barry Zito anyone?

[foodcourtdruide]

What's the deal with Wang? It's been almost 24 hours and they still don't know what it is? C'mon folks, what's the fuckin' secret?

And WHY THE FUCK would we ever trade for Sabathia? He fucking sucks. Cy Young my balls. Beckett was the Cy Young last year and everybody knows it. He's fat and he pitched like shit against us in the post-season (but our offense was too nervous to do anything about it.) Then he got rocked against Boston. WHY DOES THAT KIND OF PLAYER APPEAL TO BRIAN CASHMAN?! FUCK SABATHIA. I don't want him AT ALL.

Reading this post it's almost like you think the Yankees are guarenteed a playoff spot. Honestly, you have to get there first and if there is something wrong with Wang (not saying there is, but that's where this thread is heading) then I'd say it's not likely.

[TheMojoPin]

Sorry, but the Yankees don't need another guy who can win 15 games during the regular season and then shit the bed in October. We've already got Wang for that.

And I'll go on record as saying Sabathia is extremely overrated. If this guy goes on to be an ace for years to come, I'll eat my hat, but it ain't happening. Barry Zito anyone?

How does the comparison to Zito make any kind of sense? Zito's numbers were inflated by him having ONE pitch. He had nothing else. Sabathia is a totally different style of pitcher. And going after players because they're "good in the playoffs" is ridiculous. Again, playoff results vary wildly. Someone who has been good in the playoffs has no kind of guarentee they'll be good again in the playoffs, and someone who was bad in them one year could easily be good the next. You go after sample sizes, you'll end up with a limited, hitty team.

How is Sabathia overrated?

[Doctor Z]

Why is this Indians team, who came 1 win short of the World Series, looking to shop him?

Answer: Because he's fat, has a losing record, an ERA over 4, and sucks in the playoffs.

And he DID NOT DESERVE the Cy Young last year. THAT'S why he's overrated.

And foodcourt, I'm a huge negative nancy when it comes to the Yankees, so I'll be the first to say "This team isn't making the playoffs this year"... but wouldn't a trade for Sabathia be done with the EXPRESS INTENT of MAKING THE PLAYOFFS? The very reason they'd look to get Sabathia is to get to the post-season THIS YEAR. And if somehow we do, CC's gonna be another mistake in the Cashman era of shitty pitching decisions.

[Knowledged_one]

Why is this Indians team, who came 1 win short of the World Series, looking to shop him?

Answer: Because he's fat, has a losing record, an ERA over 4, and sucks in the playoffs.

And he DID NOT DESERVE the Cy Young last year. THAT'S why he's overrated.

And foodcourt, I'm a huge negative nancy when it comes to the Yankees, so I'll be the first to say "This team isn't making the playoffs this year"... but wouldn't a trade for Sabathia be done with the EXPRESS INTENT of MAKING THE PLAYOFFS? The very reason they'd look to get Sabathia is to get to the post-season THIS YEAR. And if somehow we do, CC's gonna be another mistake in the Cashman era of shitty pitching decisions.

Or maybe because after Victor Martinez's injury they realize they cant make the playoffs in all likelihood in addition Sabathia is a free agent and they want to get maximum value for him

I mean do most yankee fans have no idea about anything about baseball outside of the yankees?

[Doctor Z]

Unfortunately, despite following it for about 16 years now, I still know ZERO about baseball.

[TheMojoPin]

Why is this Indians team, who came 1 win short of the World Series, looking to shop him?

Answer: Because he's fat, has a losing record, an ERA over 4, and sucks in the playoffs.

Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. Amazing that you just tossed out an meaningless intangible, the two most worthless pitching stats and extreme sample size as a reason to not want one of the best aces out there. His numbers this year are inflated by his his first 4 starts, which were awful. Everything since? Better than almost every other starter in baseball. They're looking to shop him because this is the last year of his contract and they don't want to pay the money he's going to command. That's the M.O. of their operation. If it's preferrable to completely make up reasons as opposed to obvious reality, go right ahead.

Here are his monthly splits this year. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=sabatc.01&year=2008#dates-month)

First 4 starts...stank...next 11? Amazing.

And he DID NOT DESERVE the Cy Young last year. THAT'S why he's overrated.

Why didn't he deserve it? Please remember that any use of ERA or W-L numbers in this argument will be absurd and easily destroyed, since they are by far the worst pitching stats in terms of actually tracking how good or bad a pitcher is.

[Doctor Z]

While I agree that ERA and W-L are not dead-on indicators of a pitcher's value, I don't find them as completely worthless as you do. It just so happens a guy named Josh Beckett was the only pitcher with 20 wins last year, and it turns out he's pretty good. Wang and Sabathia finished with 19 wins each, and they're not too shabby either.

Of course there are very solid pitchers who don't get the run support they deserve or the defense behind them that others have the benefit of, but W-L and ERA DO count for something.

I don't know what the Yankees would be looking to give up for CC, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be worth it. I'm a Yankee fan and I don't want him on the Yankees, and that's all there is to it. It's not a black and white issue. Valid arguments could be made in favor of or against such a trade, so enough about your opinion being right and my opinion being wrong.

[TheMojoPin]

While I agree that ERA and W-L are not dead-on indicators of a pitcher's value, I don't find them as completely worthless as you do. It just so happens a guy named Josh Beckett was the only pitcher with 20 wins last year, and it turns out he's pretty good. Wang and Sabathia finished with 19 wins each, and they're not too shabby either.

Of course there are very solid pitchers who don't get the run support they deserve or the defense behind them that others have the benefit of, but W-L and ERA DO count for something.

I agree that ERA as part of the bigger picture can tell you something, but I just don't see how W-L can be argued as anything more than basically being worthless. Too many mediocre or worse pitchers each year end up with inflated win stats because they're on a decent team and too many good or great pitchers get less wins becase they're on horrible teams. The W-L record hinges way too much on factors the pitcher has zero control over for it to give anything even resembling an accurate gauge of how good that pitcher actually is, especially in the AL. What's even worse is that it's used on its own like it's THE defining stat that by itself shows whether a pitcher is good or bad. W-L should be the LAST thing that determines a pitcher's worth. WHIP and ERA+ and k/bb ratio tells you so much more it's not even funny.

I don't know what the Yankees would be looking to give up for CC, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be worth it. I'm a Yankee fan and I don't want him on the Yankees, and that's all there is to it. It's not a black and white issue. Valid arguments could be made in favor of or against such a trade, so enough about your opinion being right and my opinion being wrong.

It's likely not going to cost a ton based on Santana's trade and that Sabathia's contract is up this year. He could probably be had for 2-3 decent young players (which don't all hae to be pitchers since they have decent pitching prospects and need offensive help) since the Indians get comp picks.

An opinions revolve around thinking you're right and the other person is wrong. Who cares if I think you're wrong? Think I'm wrong right back and tell me why I am. That's a debate.

[Knowledged_one]

What does teh great Peter Abraham have to say

[Doctor Z]

THIS JUST IN:

Chien-Ming Wang is asian.

[Doctor Z]

Seriously speaking, this is in from Mike & Dog:

Sprain and partial tear in top of right foot. 6 weeks + rehab.

So much for having a #1 starter... so much for getting our rotation in decent shape... and so much for that 20-win season.

Why God?

[TheMojoPin]

Seriously speaking, this is in from Mike & Dog:

Sprain and partial tear in top of right foot. 6 weeks + rehab.

So much for having a #1 starter... so much for getting our rotation in decent shape... and so much for that 20-win season.

Why God?

Damn, that sucks. I haven't seen the play yet and only heard he was running the bases...what happened? Did he hit someone or a bag?

[Doctor Z]

It was impossible to tell. He was just running. There's no moment where you see the injury happen. He just starts limping all of a sudden.

[MojoTeddybear]

He's out possibly 2-3 months but doesn't need surgery according to Daily News source.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/06/16/2008-06-16_chienming_wang_doesnt_need_surgery_but_c.html

[Knowledged_one]

Well that is a shame i hate to see any player get injured even a yankee player

[TheMojoPin]

It was impossible to tell. He was just running. There's no moment where you see the injury happen. He just starts limping all of a sudden.

That's nuts. Was there maybe gonna be a close play and he had to gun it?

[MojoTeddybear]

That's nuts. Was there maybe gonna be a close play and he had to gun it?


If I had to guess, he probably did it hitting the 3rd base bag wrong making the turn home. Haven't seen any replays to back that up though.

[Jujubees2]

"We don't hit, we don't run the bases," Mussina said. "You get four or five at-bats a year at most, and if you happen to get on base once or twice, you never know. We run in straight lines most of the time. Turning corners, you just don't do that."

Hey Mike, you're supposed to be athletes. Mix in a turn or two next time you do some running.

[TheMojoPin]

"We don't hit, we don't run the bases," Mussina said. "You get four or five at-bats a year at most, and if you happen to get on base once or twice, you never know. We run in straight lines most of the time. Turning corners, you just don't do that."

Hey Mike, you're supposed to be athletes. Mix in a turn or two next time you do some running.

No kidding. It's not like they're asking the world of pro athletes to be able to run the bases a few times a year.

[BoondockSaint]

Wang must be deflated.

[JPMNICK]

here he comes:

In stunning news, the Rangers announced that Sidney Ponson has been put on waivers for the purpose of giving him his unconditional release.


i bet he is a Yankee by the end of the week

[Kevin]

Cashman said base case senerio, he will be back sept 1st.

You almost have to almost forfeit the year and wait it out. Teams will want a ransom for any sp. And i do not want to really kill the farm for a pitcher that even if we get, its not assured we would win with. Try to do it from within, if not fuck it.

[TheGameHHH]

here he comes:

In stunning news, the Rangers announced that Sidney Ponson has been put on waivers for the purpose of giving him his unconditional release.


i bet he is a Yankee by the end of the week

ill take that bet, Ponson is downright awful.......can we do some sort of financial wager?

[joeyballsack]

As if anyone needed another reason to think that Hank Steinbrenner is a douche, I give you this :

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3446851

"My only message is simple. The National League needs to join the 21st century," Steinbrenner said in Tampa, Fla. "They need to grow up and join the 21st century.

"Am I [mad] about it? Yes," Steinbrenner added. "I've got my pitchers running the bases, and one of them gets hurt. He's going to be out. I don't like that, and it's about time they address it. That was a rule from the 1800s."



Never mind that the Yankees were up by 11 runs when the injury occured and they could have pulled him to avoid any injuries, its the National Leagues fault that Wang got hurt.

Maybe if Hank would spend some money on bullpen help instead of overpriced guys they wouldnt have to continue to pitch thier ace in a blowout.

[Kevin]

As if anyone needed another reason to think that Hank Steinbrenner is a douche, I give you this :

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3446851



Never mind that the Yankees were up by 11 runs when the injury occured and they could have pulled him to avoid any injuries, its the National Leagues fault that Wang got hurt.

Maybe if Hank would spend some money on bullpen help instead of overpriced guys they wouldnt have to continue to pitch thier ace in a blowout.

err.. no.. it was 3-0
Jeter's base hit made it 5-0..

[joeyballsack]

err.. no.. it was 3-0
Jeter's base hit made it 5-0..

Sorry, I didnt watch the game and was going off this part of the article:

Wang was well on his way to helping the Yankees finish a three-game sweep in Houston when he was hurt. He'd pitched five strong innings, and scored during an eight-run burst in the sixth that put New York ahead 11-0.

[Kevin]

Sorry, I didnt watch the game and was going off this part of the article:

Yea,Jeter got the hit that made it 5-0 then another base hit then bombs by Arod and Jorge.

[joeyballsack]

OK..well anyways Hank Stienbrenner is a tool.

That is all.

[Kevin]

OK..well anyways Hank Stienbrenner is a tool.

That is all.

Can't argue much there..

[Kevin]

Seeing the Padres.. I can't imaging why their record is so bad..

[TheGameHHH]

Seeing the Padres.. I can't imaging why their record is so bad..

thankfully stansberry doesnt play everyday or they might be a lot worse........jesus, think he's nervous?

[TheGameHHH]

five games over, im starting to think this team might actually wanna compete. hopefully the pitching can keep them afloat because the bats finally seem to be clicking. I think we have a solid 3 in AP, Moose and Joba. Rasner can still be effective in my opinion because he does go after hitters, he's not the greatest pitcher in the world but at least he doesnt kill the team with walks. in his other losses aside from the one in Oakland he's pitched well but got no run support. im even willing to chalk up his poor oakland performance to the fact that he was pitching in front of a ton of family and friends and he tried to be too good and as a result he overthrew. i still need to see more out of him but he could be an effective 4 or 5 guy.

ive been mulling over the pitching options in regards to what theyre going to do with Wang out and aside from trying to solve it from within, does anyone else think Freddy Garcia might be a viable option? He'd only cost money, as in we wouldnt have to trade anybody to obtain him, and i think it might be worth the gamble.

[TheMojoPin]

Wow, the Yankees might actually be more than 10 games over .500 by June 27th. I'll be damned.

[Kevin]

Wow, the Yankees might actually be more than 10 games over .500 by June 27th. I'll be damned.

Don't you just love the NL?

[TheMojoPin]

Don't you just love the NL?

As much as I love the Cubs lucking out and playing shitty AL teams sans the Rays.

[Kevin]

As much as I love the Cubs lucking out and playing shitty AL teams sans the Rays.

Ever AL east team would win 100 games in the NL

Balt 85

[TheMojoPin]

Might be tricky with all the pitchers shattering like glass putting on their batting helmets or taking a turn on the basepath.

[Knowledged_one]

Ever AL east team would win 100 games in the NL

Balt 85

You bastard

Well i have pettite on my fantasy team this week so his win yesterday was big for me

[Freitag]

Might be tricky with all the pitchers shattering like glass.

I'm sure with Mr. Wood and Mr. Prior that you're all too familar with that.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm sure with Mr. Wood and Mr. Prior that you're all too familar with that.

Man, yeah, you showed me, what with them getting hurt while actually pitching their balls off and not ruining their foot TAKING A TURN ON A BASE and then having the team owner crying about not having a DH in interleague play. Talk about babying players.

[TheGameHHH]

here he comes:

In stunning news, the Rangers announced that Sidney Ponson has been put on waivers for the purpose of giving him his unconditional release.


i bet he is a Yankee by the end of the week

dude, you def. should have bet me.......guess who the Yanks got today? He's even a candidate to pitch one of the doubleheader games against the Mets. fuckin a

[Kevin]

dude, you def. should have bet me.......guess who the Yanks got today? He's even a candidate to pitch one of the doubleheader games against the Mets. fuckin a

Yea, i really laughed when i heard that.. Then cried..

[Kevin]

obviously Arod does not like pitches down the middle.

[JerseyRich]

Are the Padres even a major league team?

[Kevin]

Are the Padres even a major league team?

They swept the Mets last week...

So.. No..

[Tenbatsuzen]

Are the Padres even a major league team?

After that attempt of throwing out a runner: NO.

[Kevin]

After that attempt of throwing out a runner: NO.

Come on,OK, he almost had him. Ok.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Come on,OK, he almost had him. Ok.

He made the decision to throw out that runner and HE DID NOT WANT HIM FINDING OUT FROM A THIRD PARTY

[Kevin]

He made the decision to throw out that runner and HE DID NOT WANT HIM FINDING OUT FROM A THIRD PARTY

If it was leaked to the Media, OK, that he was thrown out,OK and that source was not me or the UMP,OK, then it would not be be fair to him at all,OK. I told him i would tell him as soon as i decided to throw him out, OK, And i did just a mila second before i threw the ball to 2nd base, OK.

[Tenbatsuzen]

If it was leaked to the Media, OK, that he was thrown out,OK and that source was not me or the UMP,OK, then it would not be be fair to him at all,OK. I told him i would tell him as soon as i decided to throw him out, OK, And i did just a mila second before i threw the ball to 2nd base, OK.

That catcher was the first black catcher in New York Baseball. I'm a big fan of him. And I wanted to respect him. So that's why he threw that runner out in the middle of the night. It's about perception. You say I threw him out at 3:15, but I only threw him out at 11:30 PM. I'm a time traveller.

[Kevin]

That catcher was the first black catcher in New York Baseball. I'm a big fan of him. And I wanted to respect him. So that's why he threw that runner out in the middle of the night. It's about perception. You say I threw him out at 3:15, but I only threw him out at 11:30 PM. I'm a time traveller.

It was not the managers decision to throw him out, OK, It was my decision all along. Luke Carlin told Luke Carlin to throw out the runner at 2nd, OK. I made the decision and it was Luke Carlin's decision alone, OK.

[Tenbatsuzen]

So the Padres' third baseman is Chase Hedy?

[hammersavage]

Why don't you just add the Y to the end of your name you California homo!

[Kevin]

Ah yes, the great middle relief is back.

[hammersavage]

Dear Kyle Farnsworth,

Suck a bag of dicks.

Regards,
Everyone

[TheGameHHH]

Ah yes, the great middle relief is back.

how does he still have a job? honestly

[Kevin]

Dear Kyle Farnsworth,

Suck a bag of dicks.

Regards,
Everyone

I like how you did not sugar coat it by saying Best Regards.

[Kevin]

how does he still have a job? honestly

He is Girardi's Heredia.

[TheGameHHH]

6 in a row and they arent losses.......this is weird

[Kevin]

6 in a row and they arent losses.......this is weird

Its a mediocre team.. Who was done after playing only 60 games...

[RingWraith]

He is Girardi's Heredia.


Oh God! I remember the awfulness of Felix F'N Heredia and how Torre used to kept putting him out there in relief.

I guess there's one in every team.

[RingWraith]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3451459

Looks like the Yanks are bring in more crappy pitching. Sigh!!!

[TheMojoPin]

Its a mediocre team.. Who was done after playing only 60 games...

Well, Abrahm's blog blowing up in my face did hinge on how the Yanks had a long stretch of arguably "easy" teams. The offense is definitely clicking, as it should, but it's questionable how long they can sustain things with the relief so hideous and the starting situation so precarious.

[TheGameHHH]

Well, Abrahm's blog blowing up in my face did hinge on how the Yanks had a long stretch of arguably "easy" teams. The offense is definitely clicking, as it should, but it's questionable how long they can sustain things with the relief so hideous and the starting situation so precarious.

dont u dare call kyle farnsworth hideous......and im sure sidney ponson will fix the "precarious" starting situation. its easy street from here on out.

[Kevin]

Well, Abrahm's blog blowing up in my face did hinge on how the Yanks had a long stretch of arguably "easy" teams. The offense is definitely clicking, as it should, but it's questionable how long they can sustain things with the relief so hideous and the starting situation so precarious.

The relief prior to this game has been pretty good for a good 8 to 10 game stretch.

[A.J.]

So the Padres' third baseman is Chase Hedy?

"Hedley."

http://www.brendanmckillip.com/uploaded_images/hedley_lamarr-705340.jpg

[Knowledged_one]

Its a mediocre team.. Who was done after playing only 60 games...

Well they are still a mediocre team just on a good stretch, cano is still only hitting .230

Like you said the NL sucks and the entire AL East would win 100 games except the orioles who would win 101

[KnoxHarrington]

Nice job signing Sidney Ponson, who is, by all accounts, one of the biggest (in many ways) douchebags who's ever walked the planet.

His numbers in Texas weren't bad, but they cut him because he was such a douche. How is he going to be better in New York?

[Freitag]

"Hedley."

http://www.brendanmckillip.com/uploaded_images/hedley_lamarr-705340.jpg

First person between here and Abraham's blog to correctly respond to the joke. You win a prize.

[Freitag]

Well they are still a mediocre team just on a good stretch, cano is still only hitting .230

Like you said the NL sucks and the entire AL East would win 100 games except the orioles who would be 101 back

Fixed.

[Freitag]

Nice job signing Sidney Ponson, who is, by all accounts, one of the biggest (in many ways) douchebags who's ever walked the planet.

His numbers in Texas weren't bad, but they cut him because he was such a douche. How is he going to be better in New York?

You're talking about a team that has employed Gary Sheffield, Roger Clemens, and Rickey Henderson. Sidney Ponson is small potatoes, and for a league pro-rated minimum, they'll deal with it if he can eat innings.

[Knowledged_one]

You're talking about a team that has employed Gary Sheffield, Roger Clemens, and Rickey Henderson. Sidney Ponson is small potatoes, and for a league pro-rated minimum, they'll deal with it if he can eat innings.

Till he pukes on the mound because hes so hungover

[JPMNICK]

i think ponson turned it around this season and is good. has a good pitching year. then they sign him to a contract for to much money for to long, and get burned because next season he is clubhouse poison

[phil packer]

hate afternoon games when i have to work.

anyone know any sites where i can listen to the audio or perhaps watch the game for free?

stupid mlb restricts 880AM and XM from broadcasting the games online.

[TheMojoPin]

dont u dare call kyle farnsworth hideous......and im sure sidney ponson will fix the "precarious" starting situation. its easy street from here on out.

Farnsworth is beautiul...but what he does is hideous, unless he's spearing guys right in the fucking chest with his head.

[cougarjake13]

hate afternoon games when i have to work.

anyone know any sites where i can listen to the audio or perhaps watch the game for free?

stupid mlb restricts 880AM and XM from broadcasting the games online.

what new york radio station plays the yankees games

like the mets are are wfan 660 am

try that

[cougarjake13]

wasnt he a yankee before ??

[Kevin]

who are you talking about?

[TheMojoPin]

Nice outing by Joba!

[cougarjake13]

who are you talking about?

ponson

[TheGameHHH]

ponson

yea, in 2006. i think he made 5 appearances and 3 starts. fuck him in his ear

[cougarjake13]

yea, in 2006. i think he made 5 appearances and 3 starts. fuck him in his ear


oooohh thats harsh

[Knowledged_one]

although i dont think the yankees are a playoff team they have become a slightly better then average team up from my original call of them being simply average

The only thing is in the last 10 games they have only picked up one game on the Red Sox and i think 2 on the Rays

Of course they dont have the clutch come from behind performances that the orioles do but what can you do

[foodcourtdruide]

Nice outing by Joba!

He's looking good. I had written off this team, but I'm starting to reconsider. I'd say that besides the Cubs the Yankees are the most interesting story this year. It would be really imprssive if could turn it around with their terrible bullpen, after losing Wang and after the start they got off too.

[TheGameHHH]

unless the score another run here, i dont want Farnsworth pitching the 8th cause he'll blow it

[foodcourtdruide]

although i dont think the yankees are a playoff team they have become a slightly better then average team up from my original call of them being simply average

The only thing is in the last 10 games they have only picked up one game on the Red Sox and i think 2 on the Rays

Of course they dont have the clutch come from behind performances that the orioles do but what can you do

I'm not able to commit to that yet. Mediocare teams have good stretches all the time, however if they go into the all-star break continuing with this momentum then I'd definitely reconsider.

[Knowledged_one]

this thread was so much more fun with BDC why did we have to ruin it

you cant criticize the game because he can take it and knows his stuff

Kevin usually agrees with some of the yankee hate and

Doctor Z is a homer who just ignores us

Good job Mojo, Snoogans, Spoon and that dick KO

[Knowledged_one]

He's looking good. I had written off this team, but I'm starting to reconsider. I'd say that besides the Cubs the Yankees are the most interesting story this year. It would be really imprssive if could turn it around with their terrible bullpen, after losing Wang and after the start they got off too.

I hate to disagree but the Rays are much more compelling story this year then the Yankees

and Dave Trembly right now is manager of the year

[cougarjake13]

this thread was so much more fun with BDC why did we have to ruin it

you cant criticize the game because he can take it and knows his stuff

Kevin usually agrees with some of the yankee hate and

Doctor Z is a homer who just ignores us

Good job Mojo, Snoogans, Spoon and that dick KO


what happened to bdc ???

[foodcourtdruide]

I hate to disagree but the Rays are much more compelling story this year then the Yankees

and Dave Trembly right now is manager of the year

Much more? I don't know, but you're probably right. It all depends on who's there at the end.

[TheGameHHH]

this thread was so much more fun with BDC why did we have to ruin it

you cant criticize the game because he can take it and knows his stuff

Kevin usually agrees with some of the yankee hate and

Doctor Z is a homer who just ignores us

Good job Mojo, Snoogans, Spoon and that dick KO

u have my permission to criticize me cause im kinda bored without BDC. he was the guy who gave me updates on Austin Jackson, now i have nobody.

[Snoogans]

u have my permission to criticize me cause im kinda bored without BDC. he was the guy who gave me updates on Austin Jackson, now i have nobody.

How bout your boy Kobe Bryant. Maybe the yankees can sign him and have another superstar that chokes

[TheGameHHH]

How bout your boy Kobe Bryant. Maybe the yankees can sign him and have another superstar that chokes

they already have A-Rod, they dont need two choking superstars

[TheGameHHH]

apparently somebody kicked the shit out of farnsworth before the game, stole his jersey and pitched an excellent 8th inning. impressive

[foodcourtdruide]

they already have A-Rod, they dont need two choking superstars

lol, the man is hitting .335 with an OPS well over 1.0!!!! What more do you want from him?

[Snoogans]

lol, the man is hitting .335 with an OPS well over 1.0!!!! What more do you want from him?

He has to hit in October or, unfortunately for him, Yankee fans will always know him as a choker. Just like Kobe Bryant will now be known. Both are GameHHH's boy. Plus his other boy Dwayne Wade has a paper shoulder and Tom brady choked too. Not a good year for the Game

[cougarjake13]

lol, the man is hitting .335 with an OPS well over 1.0!!!! What more do you want from him?

to help the yanks win a ring i suppose

[foodcourtdruide]

to help the yanks win a ring i suppose

The season does not start in October. The Yankees are not a guarenteed playoff team anymore and even-more-so without A-Rod.

[Snoogans]

The season does not start in October. The Yankees are not a guarenteed playoff team anymore and even-more-so without A-Rod.

The truth is lost on Yankee fans. its perception, and perception is ARod is a choker and reality is in October, he has stunk. And that put together makes him garbage.

unlike Kobe Bryant, who is ligitimately garbage

[Freitag]

this thread was so much more fun with BDC why did we have to ruin it

you cant criticize the game because he can take it and knows his stuff

Kevin usually agrees with some of the yankee hate and

Doctor Z is a homer who just ignores us

Good job Mojo, Snoogans, Spoon and that dick KO

What does that make me?

[Snoogans]

What does that make me?

irrelevant, apparently

[Kevin]

Yankees are 20-8 since Arod came back, and Arod has 30rbis in that stretch.

[Kevin]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND, Btw..


2008 AL East Standings
Team W L GB
Boston 46 29 -
Tampa Bay 42 29 2
New York 40 33 5
Baltimore 36 34 7.5
Toronto 35 39 10.5

Just saying.

[TheMojoPin]

Yankees are 20-8 since Arod came back, and Arod has 30rbis in that stretch.

CLUTCH-ROD REIGNS SUPREME.

Hater dolphins can SUCK IT.

[TheGameHHH]

im going tomorrow and im catching a "never iffy if its griffey" homerun ball in the right field bleachers.

[spoon]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND, Btw..


2008 AL East Standings
Team W L GB
Boston 46 29 -
Tampa Bay 42 29 2
New York 40 33 5
Baltimore 36 34 7.5
Toronto 35 39 10.5

Just saying.

Wow, you told me! Who would have thought the yanks and 200+ million would be so effective over a 182 game season!?!

Ur so on top of shit it's awesome. Try writing your awful trilogy for once stupid.

Kevin, the new BDC!

[Kevin]

Wow, you told me! Who would have thought the yanks and 200+ million would be so effective over a 182 game season!?!

Ur so on top of shit it's awesome. Try writing your awful trilogy for once stupid.

Kevin, the new BDC!

get a new gimmick.

This one got old in 2005.

[spoon]

ooo, forgot the "just saying"

[spoon]

yah, it's a "gimmick"

right

[spoon]

and ur "gimmick" of living through the highest paid team in baseball year after year after year versus actually doing your job is even older, and sad

[TheGameHHH]

yah, it's a "gimmick"

right

u want a trilogy? try 2005 thru 2007...........just sayin

[spoon]

u want a trilogy? try 2005 thru 2007...........just sayin

Shouldn't you be busy celebrating your new favorite team's new NBA title!?

Go Celtics right!?

[TheGameHHH]

Shouldn't you be busy celebrating your new favorite team's new NBA title!?

Go Celtics right!?

THATS HOW YOU POST, SON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spoon]

My feelings on a fight with Kevin......

http://seoblackhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/battleship.jpg

[Kevin]

My feelings on a fight with Kevin......

http://seoblackhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/battleship.jpg

Thats me fighting with you because you say the exact same thing everytime.

[Freitag]

im going tomorrow and im catching a "never iffy if its griffey" homerun ball in the right field bleachers.

YAHTZEE!

[Knowledged_one]

Im going on vacation so i wont be here to heckle any of you fans of a slightly above average baseball team so you all have a good 10 days hopefully i can post sporatically unless the yankees go on a huge losing streak then i will try to post everyday

GO O's

[Kevin]

YAHTZEE!

WHY DID YOU TRADE JAY BUHNER!!

[Doctor Z]

Wow, you told me! Who would have thought the yanks and 200+ million would be so effective over a 182 game season!?!
HMM?

[Jujubees2]

Im going on vacation so i wont be here to heckle any of you fans of a slightly above average baseball team so you all have a good 10 days hopefully i can post sporatically unless the yankees go on a huge losing streak then i will try to post everyday

GO O's

And take the Ravens with ya'

[Doctor Z]

I hereby officially declare this game "Wack As Shit."

[RodneyHarrison]

WHY DID YOU TRADE JAY BUHNER!!

RODNEY HARRISON SOLD STEROIDS TO JAY BUHNER BACK WHEN RODNEY HARRISON PLAYED ON THE WEST COAST. JAY BUHNER HAD THE SMALLEST TESTICLES RODNEY HARRISON EVER SEEN CAUSE HE BOUGHT SO MUCH ROIDS. AROD AND EDGAR MARTINEZ TOO

PRINT IT

[Doctor Z]

Gotta say, the one very distinct difference between Joe Girardi and Joe Torre as managers is Girardi's tendency to let pitchers go much longer. Torre was always very tied down to the pitch count, very rarely saw Mussina get past 6-7 innings/90 pitches. But Girardi hasn't been afraid to throw Mussina or Pettitte out there for that 8th inning, even with 95-100 pitches. This season, I've seen Pettitte, Moose, and Wang go very deep into games and throw upwards of 105-115 pitches, which Torre absolutely would never do.

Can't really say whether I like it or not, cuz it's hard to judge on a short term basis. We know WHY he's doing it (because we don't have a legit bullpen in a 2-run game), but how will it affect these pitchers (especially the aging ones like Pettitte and Moose), later in the season? Hopefully they don't tire by August.

[Doctor Z]

Hate to make excuses, but without that Damon error in the 5th, and that tough 3-2 loss a couple weeks ago, Mussina has pitched well enough to have 12 wins right now (and could've had a legitimate shot at that ever-elusive 20-win season).

Oh well... That shit was gay.

[RonMexico]

Hate to make excuses, but without that Damon error in the 5th, and that tough 3-2 loss a couple weeks ago, Mussina has pitched well enough to have 12 wins right now (and could've had a legitimate shot as that ever-elusive 20-win season).

Oh well... That shit was gay.

Not as gay as this jail

[TheGameHHH]

Hate to make excuses, but without that Damon error in the 5th, and that tough 3-2 loss a couple weeks ago, Mussina has pitched well enough to have 12 wins right now (and could've had a legitimate shot at that ever-elusive 20-win season).

Oh well... That shit was gay.

yea, the damon error really turned the game. he looked so fucking awkward diving for that ball.

[TheMojoPin]

Hate to make excuses, but without that Damon error in the 5th, and that tough 3-2 loss a couple weeks ago, Mussina has pitched well enough to have 12 wins right now (and could've had a legitimate shot at that ever-elusive 20-win season).

Oh well... That shit was gay.

Fortunately that win total has absolutely nothing to with indicating how well he's pitched.

[Doctor Z]

It's a good thing this Giese kid is putting up ZEROS and we're not scoring.

If we don't find a way to win this one, we might as well send Giese down to single-A and tell him to fuck his mother.

[Doctor Z]

Great. Good thing the offense is really clicking right now. Picked a perfect day to not score any runs, at all. :wallbash:

[Snoogans]

When the fuck did the Yankees start to play so many day games?

[spoon]

Great. Good thing the offense is really clicking right now. Picked a perfect day to not score any runs, at all. :wallbash:

Better than picking a full month not to score any runs! :flush:

[BoondockSaint]

When the fuck did the Yankees start to play so many day games?

MLB misunderstood Hank. He said he wanted to play more dagos.

[Kevin]

They deserved to lose this game. Bases loaded, no outs, 1st and 2nd no outs against a rookie pitcher and you get nothing??


Good for them.

[TheGameHHH]

They deserved to lose this game. Bases loaded, no outs, 1st and 2nd no outs against a rookie pitcher and you get nothing??


Good for them.

i blame part of the bases loaded problem on cano swinging at the first pitch AGAIN and fouling out to the catcher for the second out. what a horrible choice, after that you knew melky was dead in the water.

[Kevin]

i blame part of the bases loaded problem on cano swinging at the first pitch AGAIN and fouling out to the catcher for the second out. what a horrible choice, after that you knew melky was dead in the water.

And Arod should have went to 2nd to start that dp instead of trying to tag JR. Who cares if Jr is at 3rd if there are 2 outs. Just a sloppy could of days.

[BoondockSaint]

And Arod should have went to 2nd to start that dp instead of trying to tag JR. Who cares if Jr is at 3rd if there are 2 outs. Just a sloppy could of days.

He wouldn't make that mistake again if Girardi was a real man and went gangsta on his ass.

[Tenbatsuzen]

i blame part of the bases loaded problem on cano swinging at the first pitch AGAIN and fouling out to the catcher for the second out. what a horrible choice, after that you knew melky was dead in the water.

THIS THIS THIS. They were working counts bigtime, and Cano and Melky are STILL swinging first pitch.

[TheMojoPin]

THIS THIS THIS. They were working counts bigtime, and Cano and Melky are STILL swinging first pitch.

Melky's first pitch line is 297/299/430. Not great, but somewhat decent for scoring a hit off the first pitch.

Cano's first pitch line, however, is 363/362/552. He's an excellent first-pitch hitter.

[BoondockSaint]

Melky's first pitch line is 297/299/430. Not great, but somewhat decent for scoring a hit off the first pitch.

Cano's first pitch line, however, is 363/362/552. He's an excellent first-pitch hitter.

I think that must be when they make contact with a first pitch. Because if Cano is hitting .363 on all first pitches he swings at then that shit is gangsta.

[TheMojoPin]

I think that must be when they make contact with a first pitch. Because if Cano is hitting .363 on all first pitches he swings at then that shit is gangsta.

The almost .920 OPS is even more badass. That makes him a pretty fucking phenomenal first-pitch hitter.

[BoondockSaint]

The almost .920 OPS is even more badass. That makes him a pretty fucking phenomenal first-pitch hitter.

If I was on the opposing team I would never throw him a first pitch. I would start with the second pitch.

[TheMojoPin]

I think the important thing we're not talking about here is how Melky Cabrera pretty much sucks at everything.

BUST.

[BoondockSaint]

I think the important thing we're not talking about here is how Melky Cabrera pretty much sucks at everything.

BUST.

Your bust is unimpressive.

[TheGameHHH]

Melky's first pitch line is 297/299/430. Not great, but somewhat decent for scoring a hit off the first pitch.

Cano's first pitch line, however, is 363/362/552. He's an excellent first-pitch hitter.

he is, you're correct and he's also awesome in day games (this season).....which he was playing in.

but sometimes when youre a ball player, and a pitcher cant find the plate.....you work a count. i know its an amazing concept to not just look at stats and do what they say, but sometimes you do situational things during the course of a game even if *deep breath* they go against stats.

[cougarjake13]

I think the important thing we're not talking about here is how Melky Cabrera pretty much sucks at everything.

BUST.



but.... but ... he's the melk man !!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think the important thing we're not talking about here is how Melky Cabrera pretty much sucks at everything.

BUST.

Defense. FAIL.

[TheMojoPin]

Defense. FAIL.

Oh, good. You've got yourself a Neifi Perez. Or maybe a Ceasar Izturius. EPIC-CAN'T SCORE RUNS WITH A GOLD GLOVE-PHAIL.

[TheMojoPin]

he is, you're correct and he's also awesome in day games (this season).....which he was playing in.

but sometimes when youre a ball player, and a pitcher cant find the plate.....you work a count. i know its an amazing concept to not just look at stats and do what they say, but sometimes you do situational things during the course of a game even if *deep breath* they go against stats.

Obviously. But what the stats do show is that a guy like him as an excellent eye for seeing a first pitch that he's able to hit. If he's able to do that, and he sees a pitch he thinks he can drive in some runs with, you should want him to take it, especially if the pitcher is having trouble because he's much more likely to foolishly lob a meatball over the plate for him to smash.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Obviously. But what the stats do show is that a guy like him as an excellent eye for seeing a first pitch that he's able to hit. If he's able to do that, and he sees a pitch he thinks he can drive in some runs with, you should want him to take it, especially if the pitcher is having trouble because he's much more likely to foolishly lob a meatball over the plate for him to smash.

Yes, that may be true. But when you've been in a prolonged three month slump that Cano has been in, you may need to change the dynamics of his hitting, especially when you're trying to make the pitcher work, and/or may just need a walk.

Swinging at the first pitch is all well and good if you're batting .330, but not if you're batting .250.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Oh, good. You've got yourself a Neifi Perez. Or maybe a Ceasar Izturius. EPIC-CAN'T SCORE RUNS WITH A GOLD GLOVE-PHAIL.

You do realize, as of right now, that Melky's having a better season than Cano, right?

[TheMojoPin]

Yes, that may be true. But when you've been in a prolonged three month slump that Cano has been in, you may need to change the dynamics of his hitting, especially when you're trying to make the pitcher work, and/or may just need a walk.

Swinging at the first pitch is all well and good if you're batting .330, but not if you're batting .250.

True. And looking at his 1st-pitch numbers from this season, they stink compared to the rest of his career. I was looking at his career numbers, but he's definitely having a bad year. He pretty much only has good numbers this season hitting from or after a 2-0 or 2-1 count, so you and TheGame were right, he definitely would have been better off taking some pitches. His numbers in basially any other scenario right now are garbage.

Awful. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=canoro01&year=2008#situa-count)

[TheMojoPin]

You do realize, as of right now, that Melky's having a better season than Cano, right?

I do. Congratulations on having two awful starting players.

[Fallon]

You do realize, as of right now, that Melky's having a better season than Cano, right?

Better hitting and fielding.

But both players are sub par.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I do. Congratulations on having two awful starting players.

Can't wait for the Cubs to tear your heart out in about 3 months.

[Snoogans]

Can't wait for the Cubs to tear your heart out in about 3 months.

That might actually be something no Cub has been on the DL for. Thats impressive

[TheMojoPin]

Can't wait for the Cubs to tear your heart out in about 3 months.

You think that no real Cubs fan isn't already steeled for some kind of a collapse? Every loss is treated like the beginning of the end.

[Tenbatsuzen]

You think that no real Cubs fan isn't already steeled for some kind of a collapse? Every loss is treated like the beginning of the end.

Even with all the preparation, does it hurt any less? Does it, Mojo?

[TheMojoPin]

Even with all the preparation, does it hurt any less? Does it, Mojo?

Yes. My heart turned into one giant callous years ago. Them doing well actually angers me more than them doing poorly.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Yes. My heart turned into one giant callous years ago. Them doing well actually angers me more than them doing poorly.

Just think, you have the Red Sox to thank for your best player.

EDIT: and the loop hole to your Robinson Cano issue.

[Snoogans]

Yes. My heart turned into one giant callous years ago. Them doing well actually angers me more than them doing poorly.

LIES. I know you have big hopes right now. Stop tryin to convince yourself it doesnt hurt. It hurts more then Big Z's shoulder

[Tenbatsuzen]

LIES. I know you have big hopes right now. Stop tryin to convince yourself it doesnt hurt. It hurts more then Big Z's shoulder

Hurts more than Santo's legs!

[TheGameHHH]

look at those wheels on Giambi!!!

[Kevin]

And that line out by Cano was the 15th runner he has left on base this weekend. For a better rates on your car insurance, all it takes is 15 minutes with Geico.

[Tenbatsuzen]

With all the shit that M&MD gave Joba, I hope they're done.

BENINGO AND RUSSO!

[Doctor Z]

Our offense is in some big trouble tonight...

Gorzelanny
5-6
6.59 ERA

We're fucked.

[HBox]

Our offense is in some big trouble tonight...

Gorzelanny
5-6
6.59 ERA

We're fucked.

I GUARANTEE the Yanks score no runs tonight.

[spoon]

I GUARANTEE the Yanks score no runs tonight.

Write it on a rock, the yanks are going to score like the blue jays and Justice tonight!














When are we running that marathon you punks!? I'd kill for a beer and burger RIGHT now.

[Kevin]

I GUARANTEE the Yanks score no runs tonight.

Hey Z. I would put some money on that if were you. At least a 100 bucks.

[Doctor Z]

You have that much faith in the Yankees scoring against a bad pitcher?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Even Abraham has doubts about the Yankees hitting tonight.

[HBox]

I hear Kevin Long is so disheartened he didn't even show up to the park.

[Kevin]

I hear Kevin Long is so disheartened he didn't even show up to the park.

Hank is there sitting in his owners box and HE WANTS ANSWERS!!

[Doctor Z]

I get it now.

[Kevin]

I get it now.

I see it as a long rain delay...

[Tenbatsuzen]

I get it now.

You're welcome, BDZ.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hank is there sitting in his owners box and HE WANTS ANSWERS!!

Then he's really out it, considering tonight's game is at PNC.

[BoondockSaint]

Then he's really out it, considering tonight's game is at PNC.

I have lawn seats.

[Kevin]

Then he's really out it, considering tonight's game is at PNC.

Did i say what stadiums owners box??

[Tenbatsuzen]

I have lawn seats.



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[Tenbatsuzen]

Did i say what stadiums owners box??

The Wilpons are REALLY fucking pissed right now.

[Doctor Z]

EL OH ELZ!!1 (http://www.realgmbaseball.com/src_wiretap_archives/10650/20080624/could_pavano_return_to_yanks_before_hughes/)

[spoon]

EL OH ELZ!!1 (http://www.realgmbaseball.com/src_wiretap_archives/10650/20080624/could_pavano_return_to_yanks_before_hughes/)

Not as LOLZ as the BDZ post by Tenbats.


Ahahhahahahaaaahahaha!

:lol: